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Debian Woody Nearing Release

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the long-time-comin' dept.

Debian 297

willybur submits word of this Debian Planet story on the upcoming release of its next stable version. The article says: "According to Anthony Towns (our beloved Release Manager), woody is nearing release. All but three RC base bugs are fixed now, and the bugsquashing party is working through the RC bugs in standard. It's not all good news though. The bad news is that this means we're probably releasing soon, and that of the hundreds of less important packages with RC bugs (eg, bugzilla, craft, crossfire-{client,server}, epic4, fvwm95, gmc, gnome-admin, intuitively, kdepim, moon-lander, tkdesk, wine, and xosview) will be getting randomly ripped out of testing ... Check the stuff that's important to you and get it fixed before it's too late." Says willybur: "See the announcement on debian-devel-announce."

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huh hughuh (-1)

Cryptopotamus (460702) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019790)

I'll show them my woody. huh huh uhuh!!!

Re:huh hughuh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019838)

Yes, as we all know CmdrTaco has a Woody for Debian.

Re:huh hughuh (-1)

Ralph Malph Alpha (551824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019861)

me too, my woody is nearing release.

Re:huh hughuh (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020000)

Hi. I've just had to call the police because some psychotic lunatic woman was banging on the door opposite screaming "come out colin. i know you are the devil, but i have a cross". She was also banging on my door and making weird "woooooo, raaaaaaar" noises through the letterbox.

Just needed to talk to someone about it - Thanks for listening. I feel much better now.

Re:huh hughuh (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020095)

So...did you do 'er?

Hand off North Korea (-1)

the_furies (541751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019842)

I for one am tired of Bush trying to make North Korea out to be some kind of global villan. It's pretty obvious that this is a cheap trick on Bush's part to throw attention off the fact that he has failed to capture Osama bin Laden, as well as a neo-imperialist attempt to steal North Korea's natural resources.

On behalf of all oppressed peoples: HANDS OFF NORTH KOREA!

Re:Hand off North Korea (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019894)

Yeah, we shouldn't bother a regime that decides to bomb an entire civilian airliner and kill everyone of the hundreds of innocents aboard just to assassinate a member of another government.

Fuck you, dumb ass. I knew Monica wasn't the only one to suck Slick Willie's woody...

Go SS, go! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019853)

Authorities are not commenting officially on what may have happened at the motel, but the Secret Service says it is serious enough to place all three Secret Service agents on administrative leave.

But a source close to the investigation told the Deseret News that the agents may have been partying with underage girls in the motel room and supplying them with alcohol.

Read more [wintersports2002.com] .

Nice (0)

malachai (62092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019791)

Ive been waiting for this, hopefully going to convert when i can get some Woody :D

Re:Nice (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019907)

It this release a morning Woody?

or what?

APBP (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019792)

Hi, this is another PowerBook post. Linux is a steaming pile of shit and will never make it on the desktop. I encourage everyone to go to their local Apple store and play with a few systems.

HELLO SIR (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019797)

I have a Power Mac/225 running Open BSD. It is GHETTOTASTIC. 150$ on e-bay. But to buy a NEW mac, requires you to be a fag.

Re:HELLO SIR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019864)

It's not really GHETTOTASTIC unless you steal it yourself or buy it in sleazy pawnshop with cash.

Re:APBP (-1, Flamebait)

killminus9 (452018) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019821)

To each his own, LINUX is fine on the desktop for some people and it is great as a server. OSX is great but it still needed unix to make it a real OS. Neither OS can compete with windoze on the desktop at least LINUX has the server market.

Re:APBP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019982)

Why? We can now play with our woodies!

Not again! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019799)

Not another advert for microsoft visual studio .net :(

Better Late (2, Insightful)

Aknaton (528294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019804)

Of all the Linux distributions out there, I think that I like Debian the best. I also really like the fact that they are more concerned with quality then being there with the newest toys on the block.

Re:Better Late (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019847)

In other words, You have a Woody for Debian.

Hot for David (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019978)

My dick is sometimes hard for David Duchovny. He's the only male I've ever felt attracted to. That doesn't make me gay, does it?

Re:Hot for David (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019983)

As long as ANAL COX the Kernel hacker isn't stirring up your woody, you're OK. If he is, you must be a filthy GNU/HIPPIE.

Re:Hot for David (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019997)

Shit, ANAL COX is such a filthy creature that I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole let alone with my 5" dick.

A port of linux! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019805)

Think linux is just for gay geeks? Then check this out [lesbian.mine.nu]

Re:A port of linux! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019849)

That's fantastic... Mod it up, fuckers.

porn-get (1)

global_diffusion (540737) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019906)

... has got to be the best idea in the last five years.

linux sucks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019808)

I don't know why you geeks continute to flog this dead horse

Re:linux sucks (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019962)

Linux. You know what? NO ONE CARES. Linux is a gigantic piece of SLOP. It's like a LOG OF DOGSHIT floating in cat urine. A stinking LOG OF DOGSHIT covered in maggots floating in cat urine. It crashes. It OOPSES. It locks up, it hangs, it randomly corrupts my FUCKING filesystem. I'd rather have my TESTICLES TORN OFF with a hot pair of serrated pliers than run Linux on my FUCKING computer again! It's an absolute pile of SLOP dribbled out of LINUS TURDBALLS's and ANAL COX's cocks during one of their HOMOSEXUAL FAGGOT ORGIES.

About time too (1)

ideut (240078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019810)

I'm hoping they're serious about changing to a much shorter development cycle. 2.2 was out of date enough when I installed it over a year ago.

Re:About time too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019828)

I ran early 2.4 kernels- you didn't miss anything, let me tell you. Nothing good that is.

Re:About time too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019885)

Didn't miss anything?

A shitload of new drivers, a snappy new VM, tuned scheduler... what more do you want?

Re:About time too (1)

ideut (240078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019854)

I ran early 2.4 kernels- you didn't miss anything, let me tell you. Nothing good that is.

No, I meant Debian 2.2

Re:About time too (4, Interesting)

Shiny Metal S. (544229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019904)

I'm hoping they're serious about changing to a much shorter development cycle. 2.2 was out of date enough when I installed it over a year ago.

You should've installed Woody then. Most of the time you have three versions to choose from: stable, testing/frozen and unstable. When you need a system which will not ever crash after years of heavy load, use stable. If you want more decent software, use testing. If you want the newest versions of software from yesterday, use unstable. It's Good Thing because you have a choice, so don't complain that you're not forced to use the latest untested software, it's up to you. And remember that unstable Debian is usually more stable than any other distro.

Re:About time too (1)

ideut (240078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020103)

You should've installed Woody then.

No what I actually did was install Red Hat. That's something I thought I'd never do, but I don't regret it. When debian adopts a sensible release cycle I will come back to it.

"Shorter development cycles" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3020068)

When you're talking about woodies, that can mean a couple of things....

Fighting the /. effect. Do not mod up. (0, Informative)

miracle69 (34841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019812)

[2002-02-16] Release Status Update

To: debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org
Subject: [2002-02-16] Release Status Update
From: Anthony Towns
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:23:18 +1000
Mail-copies-to: nobody
Mail-followup-to: debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org
Organisation: Lacking
User-agent: Mutt/1.3.27i

Hi guys,

The good news, and the bad news.

The good news is that base is back in good shape. glibc, base-passwd and
rsync have all had their RC bugs fixed which is very pleasing. There are
still bugs in some important packages, including apache, bind, binutils,
bison, emacs, iproute, kdebase-libs, menu, php3, sudo, tetex, and vim,
but most of these seem fairly controllable.

The bad news is that this means we're probably releasing soon, and that of
the hundreds of less important packages with RC bugs (eg, bugzilla, craft,
crossfire-{client,server}, epic4, fvwm95, gmc, gnome-admin, intuitively,
kdepim, moon-lander, tkdesk, wine, and xosview) will be getting randomly
ripped out of testing (in the case where bugs apply to the version in
testing, anyway). What this means, is that if packages you're interested
in have accumulated RC bugs (ie serious, grave or critical) you've almost
run out of time to get them fixed if you want them released.

Other news:

* new incoming's being tested on pandora now (if you're
interested, see /org/non-us.debian.org/queue) and seems to
be working out okay, so the whole crypto-in-main transition
looks like being on track for the first time in history.

* new boot-floppies (3.0.19) are available for all architectures
but alpha, mipsel [0] and sparc. Please test these (and build
them if you're on one of the architectures that hasn't already
done so) since there'll probably only be one more b-f's release
before 3.0r0.

* over the next few days, we're going to start doing install and
upgrade testing somewhat seriously (with the aim of doing it
well for the entirety of the next release). If you haven't
already tried and upgrade from potato, or a fresh install,
try one now so that you don't get embarassed by newbies and
users pointing out obvious bugs that a Visual Basic programmer
would've been ashamed of....

There's a BugSquash party now on in #debian-bugs on irc.openprojects.net,
so wander on over there to help rescue packages that're worth keeping
in woody.

It's also okay to help fix non-release-critical bugs too.

Cheers,
aj

[0] mipsel b-f's are built, but are waiting on someone with a DecStation
5000/120, /125, /133 or /240 to test them to make sure they're not
completely broken. See debian-mips@lists.debian.org.

--
Anthony Towns
We came. We Saw. We Conferenced. http://linux.conf.au/

``Debian: giving you the power to shoot yourself in each
toe individually.'' -- with kudos to Greg Lehey

Re:Fighting the /. effect. Do not mod up. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019827)

Debian has PHP3? Welcome to the 90's, Debian!

KARMA WHORE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019893)

karma whote.

Re:Fighting the /. effect. Do not mod up. (-1, Offtopic)

Night Goat (18437) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019898)

I've discovered the key to getting karma on Slashdot. See, the key is, specifically say either "This post's going to be modded -1 offtopic, but..." or something to that effect, or "Don't mod this up."

Ladies and gentlemen of the moderation committee, please DO NOT mod this comment up. It will most likely be modded DOWN as OFFTOPIC. And I'm fine with that, really. I prostrate myself in front of you, readers!

Re:Fighting the /. effect. Do not mod up. (-1, Offtopic)

troels (56872) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019935)

That is one way to gain karma, the other is making yet another post stating that the way to gain karma is to say "This post's going to be modded -1 offtopic, but.. "

Now whatever making a post pointing out that a good way to gain karma is to write a post stating that a good way to gain karma is to say that a post is going to be modded down, is a good way to gain karma i don't know.

But i'm not gonna say that moderators should not mod this post up, nor am i gonna ask them to mod it down as both statements would have a phycological effect and would hence influence the moderation of this post. So please, just do as you wish.

And i think it is time to shut up now before i confuse myself even more.

haha (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019813)

My woody is nearing release too... right into Kathleen Fent's mouth!

And I'm not CmdrTaco!!!

Re:haha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019921)

Ah, that was amazing! I would never swallow Rob's cum, it is just too nasty, but this was creamy and delicious.

--Kathleen

Re:haha (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019942)

Of course you're not CMDRTACO. CmdrTaco only takes his woody out for RMS to perform GNU/FELLATIO on while taking it up the anus from ANAL COX. He's marrying Kathleen for appearances, you idiot!

Kernel version? (2, Funny)

frozenwoody (551517) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019814)

All I can say is this: I *seriously* hope we're using at least the 2.0 kernel.

Re:Kernel version? (2)

Shiny Metal S. (544229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019846)

All I can say is this: I *seriously* hope we're using at least the 2.0 kernel.

2.2.20 AFAIK. It's a rock solid kernel.

Re:Kernel version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019867)

2.2.20 AFAIK. It's a rock solid kernel.

Yeah, MSDOS 3.2 is rock solid too.

Re:Kernel version? (3, Informative)

Shiny Metal S. (544229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019955)

2.2.20 AFAIK. It's a rock solid kernel.

Sorry, you can use 2.2.20 or 2.4.13 2.4.14, 2.4.16 and 2.4.17.
See the list of base packages [debian.org] .
(and always you can build your own kernel of course)

Re:Kernel version? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019881)

All I can say is this: I'm deeply disappointed they aren't using a 2.4 kernel. I'm a debian potato devotee. Going to woody, and staying with the 2.2 kernel is a letdown.

Re:Kernel version? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019920)

> All I can say is this: I'm deeply disappointed they aren't using a 2.4 kernel. I'm a debian potato devotee. Going to woody, and staying with the 2.2 kernel is a letdown.

Until just recently, if Debian wanted Woody to be their new stable release, a 2.2 kernel was the best they could do - the 2.4 series just wasn't ready, what with all the VM rework.

Now, though, they could go with 2.4.16 or .17, those are the beginnings of the *real* stable 2.4 series.

Re:Kernel version? (4, Insightful)

Shiny Metal S. (544229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019986)

That's insightful [slashdot.org] and informative [slashdot.org] indeed, but wrong. Why won't you just check [debian.org] it? You can use "2.4.16 or .17", they're in binary base packages [debian.org] and have been for some time now.

Re:Kernel version? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3020084)

The whole issue is that woody defaults to 2.2.x. You could probably use a 2.5.x kernel as well. The whole point is that in about two years or whenever woody's successor is announced, people will still be installing woody distros with 2.2 kernels.

Woody is going to be obsolete the day it is released. The day after people will already be pointing endusers to testing because it's a public secret that stable really stands for seriously out of date.

Re:Kernel version? (2)

Shiny Metal S. (544229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019937)

All I can say is this: I'm deeply disappointed they aren't using a 2.4 kernel. I'm a debian potato devotee. Going to woody, and staying with the 2.2 kernel is a letdown.

So why won't you use Sid with 2.4.17 [debian.org] then?

Why is it... (1, Funny)

Nameles (122260) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019815)

...that every time I download and burn a Linux distro, the next version appears within 8 hours - 3 days?

Re:Why is it... (2)

Shiny Metal S. (544229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019856)

..that every time I download and burn a Linux distro, the next version appears within 8 hours - 3 days?

use apt-get...

Re:Why is it... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019934)

Simple: it's to keep the CD-R makers in business.

-MBCook

Re:Why is it... (-1)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020024)

why is it... this stupid comment gets posted to every software release article (kernel, distro, etc.) and continues to get modded as funny? this is a great example of what using -1, redundant would be good for.

CmdrTaco is going to release his tiny woody (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019822)

CmdrTaco is finally going to release his tiny woody. That's great to hear since Kathleen Fent didn't seem interested in it. It doesn't matter since CmdrTaco is a small dicked homo like all other Linux (l)users.

Wow good to see the light at the end of the tunnel (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019839)

That's pretty good progress, considering that, not even a month ago, developers were quitting Debian in disgust [debian.org] because it appeared Woody might never get released.

I'm looking at the cleavage picture now . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019840)

. . . and my Woody's about to release, as well.

~~~

Re:I'm looking at the cleavage picture now . . . (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019900)

You're ORIGINAL!! What would we ever do if they named a Linux release DICK or JOHNSON or GIANT THROBBING PHALLUS?

Re:I'm looking at the cleavage picture now . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019960)

What's original isn't the Woody joke--that's been done to death. What is original is combining it with the subtle reference to CmdrTaco's upcoming wedding. I expect more from a quality troll.

What if they named a troll DICK or JOHNSON or GIANT THROBBING PHALLUS? Shit. They're all taken!

~~~

Re:I'm looking at the cleavage picture now . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019969)

So you're a high school student? What are you doing here on Saturday? Don't you have better things to do? Like studying and going out in the evening?

Re:I'm looking at the cleavage picture now . . . (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020029)

What? You got too many ANAL COCKS in you, boy! Try to make sense!

apt-get not required... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019841)

I've found other solutions to getting a woody (moisturizing hands in anticipation...)

woody release (0)

nealrs (75987) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019851)

ya i think ill be released my on woody when this one comes out!-n-rs-

Just when slashdot was becoming freshmeat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019859)

They come out with a story "this product is ALMOST finished".

GOOD NEWS, SLASHOLES (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019863)

Woody fully supports beowulf clusters

Imagine, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019868)

a beowulf cluster of beowulf clusters of these.

Re:Imagine, (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019880)

Awww, you missed it. It should have been a Beowolf cluster of Woodies!

news? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019869)

Is slashdot going to post an article every time
any linux distribution puts out a new version?

big news (1, Funny)

seanw (45548) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019883)


Debian is being released soon!

in other news, hell has recently frozen over.

Woody? (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019887)

I just released my WOODY too. I'm gonna release some HOT, THICK JIZZ from my WOODY any moment, too! I'm wanking to your girlfriend, Mr. Taco!

The truth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019889)

Linux is a gigantic piece of SLOP. It's like a LOG OF DOGSHIT floating in cat urine. A stinking LOG OF DOGSHIT covered in maggots floating in cat urine. It crashes. It OOPSES. It locks up, it hangs, it randomly corrupts my FUCKING filesystem. I'd rather have my TESTICLES TORN OFF with a hot pair of serrated pliers than run Linux on my FUCKING computer again! It's an absolute pile of SLOP dribbled out of LINUS TURDBALLS's and ANAL COX's cocks during one of their HOMOSEXUAL FAGGOT ORGIES.

beat to the mark (again) (0, Redundant)

global_diffusion (540737) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019892)

I was going to make a joke about how my woody was read for release right now, but it looks like 10^4 people already did that.

I must say, I've been waiting for this for a long, long time. Imagine running Mozilla 1.0 on Debian 3.0. Ah well, gotta save some things for future generations, right?

(I'm joking of course. These are both fantastic projects. I'm especially psyched to get my hands on Woody as soon as I get my new hard drive...)

My woody (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019896)

My woody is also nearing release.

Really.

Beware katy allen! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019910)

Put your woody in her mouth and she will mistake it for a potato (in other words she eats, it)

What's next? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019911)

The "John Holmes" version?

List of all the Release Critical bugs (5, Informative)

arnoroefs2000 (122990) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019916)

Re:List of all the Release Critical bugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019924)

What's a "critical bug" to a woody?

The clap?

Re:List of all the Release Critical bugs (2)

reynaert (264437) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020051)

Note that this weekend the Debian developers are holding a bug squashing party on #debian-bugs on OpenProjects. Expect the number to be a bit lower tomorrow :)

In other news... (1, Offtopic)

MBCook (132727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019923)

Duke Nukem Forever has gone gold, hell froze over, and I got a date ;) Seriously though, good from them. It will be nice to have magazines that compare linux distros compare woody vs. redhat, not potatoe (which is woefully old) to redhat.

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019993)

How about Team Fortress II? That one will show up reaaaaal soon. Hell I have switched jobs twice since they started talking about that one

foo (3, Informative)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019948)

Expected major upgrades, by the time woody releases, include GLibC 2.2, GCC 3.0, XFree86 4.1 and Perl 5.6. Linux kernel 2.4 is judged not to be mature enough to be a default for most architectures at this time, but you can install a 2.4 kernel from Debian after completing your installation. It's also likely that the debconf package will be used in nearly all the packages which need to prompt in the maintainer scripts.

I think Debian needs a 2.4 kernel as the default if Debian is going to shake its image as hopelessly outdated. For instance, even now you can apt-get up-to-date packages, but most people don't go beyond the defaults. As for me, I go beyond a little: I like to get security patches. Love those. But I'm wary of upgrading other things -- I've tried a KDE 2.1 to 2.2 upgrade that really made my system screwy, and a SuSE 2.4.10 kernel upgrade to 2.4.14 that lost my ext3 functionality. Of course I fixed these things, but I'm wary now. It took time, which is valuable to me. Even with Debian, you can apt-get yourself into trouble. So as someone on the sidelines (well, maybe more than that, I've done a lot of Debian installs), I would encourage the Debian folks to either reconsider the default install, or actively plan for a 3.1 (or even 3.0.1) release that will happen soon after 3.0.

Re:foo (1, Offtopic)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020008)

Good God. Look at my subject. What a horrible, horrible subject I used. I apologize -- I put "foo" in as a placeholder subject so I could do a preview, and then forgot to change it. I in no way meant it to be "oh foo on Debian" in the grinchy sense. Damn. That probably just painted my entire comment in a light that I did not intend.

I guess I don't need enemies. I have myself.

Re:foo (3, Informative)

Daniel (1678) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020026)

For instance, even now you can apt-get up-to-date packages

That's talking about an entirely different thing: to install up-to-date packages, you have to put unstable (or testing) in sources.list, and deal with the issues that arise from that.

The 2.4 kernels will be *in woody*, distributed on woody CDs, and available in the same way as the rest of the woody software. They just weren't planned to be the default kernel, although I've also heard rumors that some install disks are being built around 2.4.

Daniel

fallback to unstable hack (1)

pmineiro (556272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019952)

if you have a recent version of apt, and you put the following lines into /etc/apt/prefences it will get unstable packages when there is no testing version.
--- begin cut here ---
Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 50
--- end cut here ---

enjoy,

-- p

Re:fallback to unstable hack (typo correction) (2, Informative)

pmineiro (556272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019964)

damn, i posted this before but i misspelled preferences, so to be clear:
if you have a recent version of apt, and you put the following lines into /etc/apt/preferences it will get unstable packages when there is no testing version.
--- begin cut here ---
Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 50
--- end cut here ---

enjoy,

-- p

linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3019961)

Linux is a second rate operating system where all software available is at version 0.x.

Just buy windows and you'll get a good o/s. In the other hand, buy OS/X and you'll have an incredibaly good operating system which is just like Linux - where all its software is version >1. And STABLE.

So does alien work reliably yet? (3, Interesting)

Nailer (69468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3019984)

From discussion with Debain users (and time spent administering Debian boxed at my workplace) Debian's rpm support doesn't work that well for anything apart from large self-contained statically compiled packages. The problem being that the Linux Standards Base [linuxbase.org] will probably be considered the definition of what a Linux distro is in a couple of years (and is starting to be used as a yardstick these days). Yes Debian ostensibly supports the LSB via alien, but how well?

The distributions which put initscripts in nonstandard places have had to change, those install packages into /opt have had to change, and if they haven't, they've been looked upon negatively (and rightly so) for their lack of standards support. So how well does alien work, and would you use it to install some, or even most software on your system? A standardized packaging system is useful for more than just closed source apps - its useful for every open source app maintainer that's tired of maintaining different sets of packages for Red hat, Suse, Debian, Mandrake, Connectiva, and every other distro out there. Theoretically, the KDE people (for example) should only have to release one set of packages per OS. Doing otherwise wastes a great amoutn of time that could be used elsewhere.

And yeah, I'm a Red Hat user who has posted a non 100% supportive comment about Debian in a Debian release news item. /me waits for the inevitable negative moderations from people who disagree with what I'm saying but can't voice their own opinions and repond maturely.

Re:So does alien work reliably yet? (4, Interesting)

Jay Carlson (28733) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020107)

Note that the LSB specifies the version [rpmdp.org] of the RPM file format in the book Maximum RPM [rpmdp.org] . That's version 3. Let me repeat that; the LSB standard RPM package format is version 3. So now that RH is shipping v4 RPMs, a lot of other people are too, and those packages are simply not compliant with the LSB.

More broadly, the LSB did not intend to give RedHat the power to define standard Linux. You shouldn't let RedHat define the standard either.

About Time (1)

Tremul (190113) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020003)

I've recently become a debian user from slackware. Apt-get is by far the best tool I've ever used however I was shocked when I installed debian standard and checked the versions of some of the tools. SSH was at version 1.2.3!!! which was insane. Testing wasn't a whole lot better. However I am quite satisfied with unstable currently. Although it breaks from time to time on my laptop.

Re:About Time (3, Informative)

reynaert (264437) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020028)

Just to be clear, OpenSSH 3.0.2 is included in Woody (and has been for some time).

Speed of releases (1, Troll)

XBL (305578) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020017)

This is a valid question: Why does it take so long for new Debian releases to come out? Even OpenBSD seems to have more releases with security audits, new features, etc.

What makes it even worse is the fact that by the time releases come out, many of the software packages are out of date. Sure, they are almost guaranteed to work, but is it really that big of an issue? I have no problems with rolling my own if a package does not work.

Another thing I do not like about Debian is the installer. Dammit, if the packages are so good, then it should be even easier to create a good installer without many bugs, etc. For Linux itself, there are other installers that can take care of a lot of those development issues.

To personify Debian, I would describe the person as autistic with a generally obsessive mind on minute details, and slow learning capabilities.

Re:Speed of releases (1)

ideut (240078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020094)

The new Debian release manager wants to make the releases more frequent but I really can't see this happening.
For the next cycle (assuming this freeze actually turns out to be relatively short and controlled), I think it would be interesting to see if we can do the same thing again, with a short (2 or 3 month) development cycle, for a 5 to 7 month release cycle.

Read the whole mail at the list archives [debian.org]

It looks like the first part of his plan failed dismally. He sent that mail 7 months ago, and part of it says

My overriding goal for this release was to manage to get a short, controllable freeze; one that we can get over and done with in a few months, rather than letting it drag on for seven months with no end in sight

It would be nice to use Debian again but to be frank why bother when there are such more responsive and up to date distributions?

Re:Speed of releases (2)

Jagasian (129329) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020098)

So wait, you claim that you have no problem rolling your own packages, but you do have a problem installing Debian? Do you happen to be an Enron CEO?

random removal? (1)

oyenstikker (536040) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020033)

hundreds of. . .packages. . .will be getting randomly ripped out of testing. . .

What does this mean to me, as a woody user? Will lots of packages be ignored by apt after i dist-upgrade following the switch?

Obligatory Sex Joke... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3020061)

Now that "Woody" is the base for my Debian installation, I can start working on my new, security focused distro "Stiffy," followed up by next Uber-Gaming project, "Hard On."

Makes me wonder were Potato fits into it all....

Re:Obligatory Sex Joke... (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020105)

Potatos are good to hollow out and use as ARTIFICIAL PUSSIES. I thought all you geeks would know that. Oh, wait. You're all HOMOSEXUAL GEEKS, right...?

Forgive me... (2)

Issue9mm (97360) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020065)

but I am compelled to share with everyone how I misread the caption...

All but three RC base bugs are belong to us.

:(

-9mm-

About damned time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3020082)

How long as woody been in development? How old is the last 'official' release? Jeez.... I switched to running slackware because it had more up to date software... IMHO that is

Debian woody nearing release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3020101)

Am I the only one that finds that subject hilarious? :)

Do the packages being yanked out matter? (3, Interesting)

Snowfox (34467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3020110)

I'm curious as to how much it matters if most of these packages are yanked out of stable.

Sure, most people using Debian as a server are running the stable release, but I was under the impression that almost all desktop users were tracking unstable for want of the hundreds of packages missing in the age-old 2.2 release.

Having all these things fixed for Woody release would be nice, but I'm guessing there's almost nobody out there who'd be affected by these vanishing.

How many of you Debian folk are using stable for something other than a server?

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