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JonKatz posted more than 12 years ago | from the the-web's-great-promise dept.

The Media 359

Sure, we are being lied to by bloated, corporatized media all the time. What else is new? The great promise of the Net and Web has always been more truth: a great, hyper-linked network of diverse, individual expression, a vast, linked alternative subculture. There is hope. You can go to the Disinformation Web Site to see that idea in action, despite the AOL-ing and MSN-ing of cyberspace. This trove -- its content ranges from "The X-Men" and "Space Mutation" to "The Matrix" to pieces on the Real Jesus and Radiohead -- is what the Web is really about. It offers perspectives you definitely won't find anywhere in the mass media. Don't miss Marty Beckerman's "Death to all Cheerleaders 1." (Marty, whose piece became a book, was canned from a daily newspaper for observing that cheerleaders were "a urine stain on the toilet seat of America.")

The site's left-of-center-pieces -- with generous links to other POVs -- vary wildly in quality and usefulness, but you can find some real gems on Taken together, the stories on this important, possibly even landmark site are a sharp indictment of the humorless and tepid way the popular media screen out opinion and commentary that's different, provocative or original.

We know too well that most mainstream media -- TV networks, major newspapers and newsmagazines, commercial news web sites -- have been corporatized, homogenized and mass-marketed by profit-obsessed corporate execs from Disney and General Electric. They could as well be -- and simultaneously are -- selling them park tickets and light bulbs as ideas and opinions. Newspapers have grown stupefyingly boring, their commentary relegated to snoozy op-ed pages. Cable TV, once the great hope, is becoming a nightmare of fragmentation, eternal argument and dogmatic fanaticism. Except for slight variations -- Fox News' interesting right-wing tilt, for example -- most mainstream news organizations stock to a militantly moderate point of view, veering a wee bit to the right or a tad to the left but never much further.

The target audience of most major media, from your daily paper to Time and CNN, is the appliance-and-car acquiring middle class, who seem to like their politics tepid and lite, the way AOL users like their Net. With media so firmly in the grip of market research, it's tough to know what they might cover if they were left to their own imaginations.

"Disinformation" is, to say the least, different. It was launched in l996 by Richard Metzger, now edited by Alex Burns. It's arguably one of the best-designed and most interesting alternative news and underground culture sites online. Apart from its own content, the site provides a subculture search engine which directs a reader to sites and relevant links. The site's political bias is clearly leftish, but its links are refreshingly open-minded, incorporating ideas, opinions and responses far beyond traditional definitions of "progressive." In fact, Disinformation is really, in many ways, a dogma killer. Despite the editors' viewpoint, readers get drawn into all sorts of opinions and debates any time they pursue a story or essay.

Apart from the excitement generated by a website that circulates about alternative ideas -- ideas the Net helps to keep alive -- Disinformation is beautifully designed. There's a Disinformation store, of course, offering T-shirts and books. There's easy access to stories by popularity and topic -- from activism and aliens to media, mind control, spirituality and technology. For all the ballyhoo and media hype about sites like Slate, with its heavy Microsoft subsidy, Disinformation really seems to get the fusion between interactivity and ideas. It's an exciting place to browse.

From the beginning, the Net was meant to open up information and give voice to different kinds of people and points of view. The Web, with its hyperlinking, took that idea still further. But in the past few years, that notion seems to have grown tired, in between the copyright wars, the era and the so-called Net slump. It seemed that corporate America -- Yahoo, MSN and AOL -- was devouring the Web whole. That's why sites like Disinformation are so important. They are the real heart of the Web.

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twat (-1)

Lilo-x (93462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032198)


Re:twat (-1)

propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032225)

Thank you for keeping the FP away from the AC waiting to snatch it. Mad props.

Re:twat (-1)

propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032264)

WTF? The parent was first and then got dropped down several posts lower and a faggot AC got the first post.. bleh.. THE REAL FP WENT TO LILO-X, NOT TO SOME FILTHY AC!!!

Re:twat (-1)

propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032283)

Okay, and now it's fixed and the real fp is where it belongs. FIX YOUR SHITTY SOFTWARE, JANITORS!

FSTFUKP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032325)

First STFU, Katz post!

Damn, I'm conflicted -- Disinformation is a fine source of crackpottery.

And Klerk!, You're interfering with my ability to properly troll this story. Damn you!

Re:FSTFUKP! (-1)

propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032337)

I think Katz causes as much disinformation as anyone else.. *cough*Junis*cough*!

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032199)

First Post!!!!!

Re:FP (-1)

Lilo-x (93462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032217)

no i got first post :OP

Propz to Ringbarer (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032200)

I'm getting this FP to give you mad propz sir. Congrats on 4 in a row!

Frist? (-1, Offtopic)

SpookComix (113948) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032207)

Hmm...That would be interesting...but I'm not hoping for it. Happy Troll Tuesday, btw!

Weird timing... (2, Interesting)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032209)

What else is new?

How about this? []

katz is like noah (-1, Offtopic)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032213)

everytime he shows up a crapflood follows!!!

huzzah to the greatest of all slashdot trolls - j0n kats

I feel like a new man (-1)

LabiaCervix (559253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032215)

I shaved my yam-bag this morning. It was...liberating. taint.

Re:I feel like a new man (-1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032249)

Yowza, don't do the taint. The stubble's a killer

What the hell is wrong with slashdot!! (-1)

ForWhomTheHellTrolls (543770) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032221)

Let us assume the fact that posts are showing up in reverse order is simply another bug resulting from shoddy half-ass open sores programming, and NOT INTENTIONAL. This is what happens when dirty GNU hippies smoke too much weed before coding.

Clean your swampy armpits, correct your rancid body odor and fix the bug dammit!! But please for Gods sake TAKE A SHOWER!

Re:What the hell is wrong with slashdot!! (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032389)

Look around you, folks. How many of you have sigs that refer to "karma", "ACs," getting "modded up" and the like? Has Slashdot become your hermetically sealed environment? Is it the filter through which you perceive reality? Has Slashdot become an empty game where you regurgitate earlier posts to get 'karma'?

Some of you might be surprised to learn that this "karma" has no value whatsoever!!! When Slashdot goes under (and don't worry, it will) you won't be able to exchange that "karma" for Denny's coupons, anime DVDs, or anything worth a shit!!!

And don't think there's any spiritual value either! Slashdot "karma" won't help you break the cycle of reincarnation, it won't get you "high", and it won't even win you friends at Magic: The Gathering tournaments!

Fellow Slashdotter, you have been deceived!!! You will not achieve immortality by posting "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this!" or "Linux is really good for the desktop!" The only way you'll ever be remembered when this decrepit weblog tumbles into nothingness is to post something really FUCKED UP!!! I can't stress this enough!!!

Don't waste your time chasing the "karma" cap! Don't whine about your stories not being published when you know that the news on this site is randomly chosen by monkeys!!! The only way you'll be remembered long after CmdrTaco returns to his old position as shift leader at Pizza Hut is by posting ABSOLUTE FREAKING MADNESS!!! Do it now!!! Do it often!!! And karma be damned!!!

A cheerleader for (5, Funny)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032224)

Gee, Jon, you sound like a cheerleader for (ewww, yuck).

Re:A cheerleader for (2)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032372)

In that case...death to the cheerleaders!

Now, where'd I put my torch and my pitchfork?

The Art of Cunniligus (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032232)

Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of him too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made.

Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs. Now stop and look at what you see.
Beautiful, isn't it?

There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy.

I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special. Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.

Now look at it again.

Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of its own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled.

Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it.

Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.

Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

Tongue-fuck her. This feels divine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of its covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience its presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin.

Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'

There's a reason for that - most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him.

But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, during or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.

Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing.

She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one whose nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now.

If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex.

Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

The G-Spot

This does exist. And in over half of the women out there, it works better than anything else you can do to cause a strong, prolonged orgasm. The original name is the Grafenberg spot, after a doctor, Earnest Grafenberg, who documented the area (which may have been known by people here and there throughout history) in the fifties.

This "spot" is a small "mound" of tissue inside the vagina, between a penny and quarter in size, which responds to being pressed upon. It's almost certainly not the skenes glands, (which are located around the urethra, which is behind the G-spot area), as has been suggested by a few people. In fact, the G-Spot is the tissue in that raised area of the vagina, which has a higher concentration of sexual nerves, and produces hormones similar to those made by the male's prostate gland.

A sort of map to the area -- Imagine your lover lying on her back, legs spread. Your position is between her legs. You would slide a finger inside her vagina, palm up. With your finger straight back, middle finger is best, you would curve it toward yourself, gently, as if you were gesturing to someone to "come here". In doing so, the area you press on should be pretty near her "G-Spot" area. If you know enough to follow the urethra (the tube that leads from the bladder to where the pee comes out), along the inside of her vagina, you may feel a slight swelling (if she's excited) at the point where the g-spot is.

She must be excited, especially if either you or she is new to the g-spot, for the g-spot to have any real effect at all. It's not the ideal area for getting your lover aroused.

But when she is excited, this area (more often than not) is the best way to bring her to orgasm. You work your way back to it gradually, teasing her (typically, this works best) with your fingers, slowly and gently. It's easier to hit the right area with two fingers, but this may not be comfortable for her, depending on how "tight" she is at that moment. When you have your fingers around the right area, try gently pressing, not too quickly. The movement should be fairly rhythmic. It's typically best if you're licking her clitoris (or near it, depending on the woman) at the same time...don't make a big deal out of the "quest", this will often make her feel self-conscious, or distracted. The licking should seem to be the primary activity.

When you find the right area, she should respond by getting more excited. Most of the vagina's inside surface isn't really that sexually sensitive, believe it or not...most of the excitement of randomly inserting fingers is more psychological than from the actual stimulation.

While more complicated techniques work with some women, some of the time, the best basic technique, upon finding the g-spot, is to continue to slowly, rhythmically press on it, while licking her clitoris (for a few women, the labia (lips) are sensitive to licking, too).

This should cause her to build up to an orgasm.

A G-Spot orgasm is different (always, when it works at all) than any other kind women have. It is possible, with some women, to have different qualities and kinds of orgasms from vaginal, clitoral, anal, and even breast stimulation...but with other women, those kinds of orgasms are all pretty much the same. But the G-Spot orgasm not only feels different; it also causes her body to react in a different way.

First, it often causes a "push out" orgasm. The area around, or "above" (farther inside, that is) your fingers seems to swell up or to contract toward the opening of her vagina.

If you find the right combination of pushing back when this happens, and slacking off to let it push out, you can cause (in perhaps half of the women) her orgasm to continue happening, long after normal ones would have subsided. In some women you can even keep her at a "plateau" (raised level) of sexual excitement, like a prolonged orgasm (or a little less than one) afterward, building up to an even bigger climax.

That brings me to another important point; G-Spot orgasms sometimes causes a huge amount (relatively speaking) of lubrication (juices, wetness)...far more than even the most excited woman gets from "conventional" stimulation.

When that extra wetness combines with the push-out orgasm, you get actual a guy, but much better tasting. The built up juices can shoot out in such volume that you, or she, may be afraid that she lost control of her bladder. That is (almost always) not what happened. The fear that she peed can be enhanced by the fact that the urethra is behind the g-spot, so that in rare cases the woman can sometimes get the feeling that she needs to pee, even though she does not.

In reality, in both men and women, enough sexual excitement prevents peeing, unless you try really hard. This is a built-in reflex, because urine is something of a spermicide. The "pee hard-on" that men get in the morning is partially his body taking advantage of this reflex, to keep him from accidentally wetting the bed with the urine that built up while he was sleeping.


Anyone who likes, say, coffee or beer should have no room to complain about the way most women taste. No, I don't mean it tastes like coffee or beer, genius...I mean that beer and coffee are, at best, acquired tastes...they are not naturally pleasant to a human being, no matter how much your addiction to one or both has convinced you otherwise. Most people, whether they remember it or not, had to learn to like the taste of beer/coffee, and had the desire to be Like the Adults to help them along. Well, I'd list taking pleasure in cunnilingus above drinking addictive beverages on the list of things that prove maturity. Aside from that, there's the fact that many people who give it an honest try genuinely enjoy the taste/smell.

Oh holy slashdot ... (0, Offtopic)

NWT (540003) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032233)

Err, how evil ...

Slashdot (the good) vs. disinfo (the bad) and me (the ugly)?
I can't stand it ;) is nice, but... (5, Informative)

MadFarmAnimalz (460972) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032235)

I personally prefer [] . Disinfo, while interesting, are oftentimes too radical for my taste. It almost seems like they go out of their way to fabricat-err, uncover conspiracy in the name of "no smoke without a fire". is more a kind of media watchdog. I like their work. You might too. is nice, but... (5, Insightful)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032408)

You know, it's kind of funny how "fair" almost always means "left". :-) It's a good website, and I'm not railing against it, I just think it's ironic that "fair" and "unbiased" news outlets typically have an anti-right agenda behind them!

(The obvious retort, of course, is that it's only because the right is so unfair...) is nice, but... (2, Informative)

nyhan (100278) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032419)

If you want non-partisan scrutiny of the media and politics, check out Spinsanity [] , a watchdog of manipulative political rhetoric from both sides. [Disclosure: I co-edit the site.]

Katz is right that the Internet is making it possible for people outside the mediasphere to scrutinize the media and culture, but he should look more in the direction of the political weblogs. Beyond the celebrity journalist bloggers, there's a new breed of critics coming up and having an impact. Will Vehrs' Punditwatch [] just got picked up on [] , and we just signed a distribution agreement with [] . Both are unimaginable without the Internet.


propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032237)

Fire JonKatz!

Jews Had To Be Good For Something (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032245)

Alright I was reading a couple stories and I just decided to share this little
story about the time I hit it with a Jew girl using deception and cunning. LOL.
I mean it's not real hard to act like another person or make others believe you

When I was a senior in high school last year not long before my 18th birthday I
was just cruising through school. After we changed classes at the end of second
semester I got into a class with this really hot girl named Cindy who I was
sitting by in the seating chart, well I knew from the first day I was gonna try
and hit it with this girl, but I didn't think it would be nearly as complicated
as it turned out. One day in class we had to pair up and do this project (it was
history class) and it was on the Cold War, well into the convo we started
talking about those Jew Rosenberg's selling the atom bomb and I said "well what
the hell do you expect for those fucking kikes?" and she looked at me and said
"what did you just say?" and I repeated myself and she said, "You ignorant
asshole I'm Jewish," and I looked at her and said, "Well sux to be you" and
started laughing. Well we didn't talk the rest of the project, I just let her do
the work then I guess to be a dick I acted like I was scratching my arm and
pulled up the sleeve to show my Neo-Nazi tattoo to her (I am a proud and loyal
NNLR member) and she said, "I can't believe I am sitting next to a Nazi," and I
was like, "I am unfortunately not a Nazi, I missed the good old days," and
started laughing and man was she pissed.

To go on, well we went through the next few weeks barely saying anything to each
other and me and A.J. (a fellow NNLR in my class) would sometimes say some shit
to her. Well it pissed her off enough to try and get her boyfriend after me so
he came up to my table and asked me about some shit and I ended fucking him up
in the lunch room, I mean it was a weak fight with some Jew-loving soccer player
against me a pure Aryan linebacker. LOL. I ended up getting 10 days out for
drawing blood and I just cruised through that easy as hell.

When I came back I found out that sometime when I was gone she had broken up
with her boyfriend. I am not sure why, but it figures he gets his ass beat for
her and she dumps him later for something. Typical Jew. In class, she eyes me
when I sat down and didn't say anything to me, I started razzing her and was
like, "how's you boyfriend doing?" and she's like, "I am not going out with him
anymore but I am sure he's doing fine," and I said, "broke up with him after he
gets his ass beaten for you, that some kind of Hebrew thing?" and she said, "Oh
shut up you asshole, I am so tired of hearing you talk about that," and I razzed
her a little longer. Anyways, later in the month we had a project we had to do
out of class, and it had to be with my desk partner she was mad, but she's a
crazy A student and she asked me, "Well do you want to do the assignment at my
house or yours?" and I said, "Well I am not allowed to have Jews at my house"
and me and AJ started laughing, I was like, "Why don't you just do it?" and she
said, "'cause you're not getting an A for my work," so we ended up going to her
house well it's a typical Hebe home, with the 8 candle stuff and I knocked on
the door and her mom answered, "Hi, are you Luke?" and I was like, "In the
flesh," she said, "Come on in Cindy is in her room," and I looked around and saw
all this Jew stuff and I sort of scoffed, anyway I went to her room and she's
like, "Alright lets get started," and I was just looking around, "I don't think
I'll be able to concentrate in this Yid hol,e" and she's like, "Well then I'll
tell Mr. Deen that you didn't do anything," so I had to sit there and figure out
the project with her.

I wasn't really doing anything but nodding when she said something. While I was
sitting there I was scoping her and thinking what it would be like to get a
piece of Jew ass, I was thinking it the whole time I mean is there really
anything wrong with using one for sex? I mean not dating just fucking? and I
thought about that the whole time.

The night after I went home I was looking at my ceiling and thinking the whole
night on how to fuck Cindy, I was going over some ways and though well maybe
I'll be like in the movies and act like I changed and then after I fuck her,
just tell the bitch about it and break her little kick heart. LOL. I talked it
over with Tom, AJ, and Rob, they all wondered why I wanted to fuck the Jew, but
they knew she was hot and stuff. I decided to act like I didn't want to be a
NNLR anymore and have like AJ and them act like I changed in front of her. Not
to go into much detail, but it was a good plan to tap that ass.

At school the next day I went over to her and was like, "How you doing?" She
seemed a little surprised, "I'm alright," and then AJ walked by and we sorta
gave each other this fake little mean look that we made sure she noticed. She
was like, "Are you and AJ mad about something?" and I was like, "I don't know
he's a dick," she goes, "I thought you guys were good friends?" and I'm like,
"We were but the NNLR are starting to piss me off," and she's like "Is that so?"
and I'm like, "Yeah I am thinking about getting out," and she's like, "That's
good, maybe then you'll stop being such a prick." I wanted to say something but
I restrained and continued the charade.

It lasted much longer than that to her, and I'm not going to go into depth but
in the next few weeks I made it look like I had gotten out of the NNLR's and to
her I wasn't hanging out with them anymore well we had to do another project and
I was like, "Let's do it at my house" and she's like, "I thought you weren't
allowed to have Jewish people there?" I sorta gave a sad face and was like "I'm
not like that anymore," which she thought was true. That night I had to
rearrange my room take down all my party and NNLR emblems and stuff and I made a
great effort to make it look like a typical room. When she came over she was
like "Wow your house is nice," which it is since both my parents are business
workaholics and I'm like "Thanks, it's alright." Well we got into the project
and after it was done we started watching TV on the couch. We got into a deep
convo about the NNLR and I had to say some bad things that it was hard to say
and eventually when she was leaving I talked her into a date with me for
Saturday, I was gonna kiss her but I didn't really feel like pushing it since I
was hoping to get in those little kike panties this weekend anyway.

As the week went on we talked in class and stuff until she probably thought I
was a very tolerant ex-bigot that was pushed into joining the NNLR because of
bad parenting and a need for acceptance. LOL. Not bad huh?

As Saturday came along we went on our date and went to a real expensive place
and ate then we went to a movie, and we held hands and walked around the mall, I
could tell their was no way I was going to get in her pants on the first date
for some reason and I was a little pissed, but I figured it will come
eventually, the date ended that night after making plans for another and we went
into a french kiss in front of her house. She went inside and I wiped off my
mouth, damn I hated kissing the Jew, I just wanted to fuck her. LOL.

We had two more dates before anything real sexual happened and that was when we
were in my car outside her house after going to another expensive restaurant
(damn Jews) and she gave me a decent blowjob in the car. I came all in her mouth
and she swallowed every drop like a good Jew, we made plans for another date the
next weekend and I had the feeling I was finally going to fuck my Jew.

I picked her up and we went to see a movie, then after we went to eat and talk
and junk like that you gotta go through to get laid, I talked her into coming to
my house and I knew I was going to fuck her, well we got into it on the couch
and she gave me another decent blow job and again swallowed like a good Jew.
Then I got her into the bed by like fake tackling her after she stood up we
started laughing and she's like "stop it" and I undid the buttons on her shirt
and we started kissing. So much for stopping it, I got her bra off and sucked on
her tits, then got her jeans off and was about to pull off her panties and she's
like, "Stop it Luke!" and I stopped and looked up all sad faced like, "Why
what's wrong?" and she said, "I never had sex before."

I was rock hard, by the end of the sentence I had the opportunity to pop a Jew
girls cherry I started acting all nice like "Well I don't care if you're a
virgin you'll like it I promise," and she sat up and I kissed her and started
talking about never doing it and eventually I got her to lay down through some
good talking I might add and I took off her panties and finally got a glimpse of
her bush which was pretty fine I might add, I started thinking about a condom,
but then I was like are you stupid? Don't wear one, I mean she's probably not
even thinking about that, and pulled off my underwear and prepared to put it in,
then she asked about a condom and I said don't worry I'm sterile, LOL. I don't
know why she believed me but she didn't press the issue.

She looked a little scared but I wasn't really going to hurt her anyway in that
fashion 'cause I just wanted to fuck the kike bitch. I don't have a monster cock
like it seems everyone else in these stories have but I am very proud of my 7
incher and I led it to her very very tight pussy. I mean I had fucked tight
girls before but never a virgin, and I put it into her and she started like
sorta startled moaning and when I reached the hymen her face was all like all
closed up so I just rammed it in and busted the hymen, she screamed pretty loud,
but then I start inching it in and she was moaning sort of, well I continued the
pace figuring I'd fuck her again later and just went in and out till I came in
her. After I was done I looked at her and she was like all sweaty even worse
than me, and I don't know how much she enjoyed it, but she put her arm on me, I
fucked her again like 40 minutes later and this time I felt her orgasm, she
called her mom and said she was staying at a friend's, and then she fell asleep.

I laid on the bed thinking about how to show her that not only had I just used
her Jew body, but I was still a very loyal NNLR, so while she was sleeping I put
my room (which is my entire basement) like it was before that night she came for
the project, and I had my swastika flag over the bed and the Fuhrer and my SS
posters and stuff back up, and I even put my swastika screen saver on, then I
laid down next to her and dozed off.

I woke up the next morning before her when it was light and decided on another
thing to do so I left a note on the lampshade next to her all it said was
"Thanks for the easy fuck last night, I did enjoy it, when you wake up please
leave my room I don't want your Jewish bitch ass here longer than that. Claiming
NNLR 4 Life" LOL.

I sat in the living room and a little later I saw her walking on the side of our
house where the basement is onto the sidewalk to walk home and she was like
crying hard I mean like her face was so red. LOL. I loved it and the fact that
she lives a 10 minute drive from me and she had to walk all red and stuff home.

When I went to school on Monday I found out that she had asked Mr. Deen for a
new seat and talked him into it and I got to sit my AJ which was cool as hell. I
looked at her but she just sat there and didn't look back. I heard later from
friends she had to go through therapy and all this stuff and her Dad like almost
came after me with a gun when she got home that day, and I wish he would have
I'd have dropped his ass with my .45 as soon as he stepped foot on my property.

too much for my place of work (3, Interesting)

warnerpr (9286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032248)

This is what I get when I try to go there from work:

"Access to this web page is restricted at this time.

Reason: The Websense category "Alternative Journals" is filtered.


I guess some how what I would have read there would have made me a worse employee? I am glad they saved my eyes from seeing that!

Re:too much for my place of work (0)

Roto-Rooter Man (520267) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032268)

I guess some how what I would have read there would have made me a worse employee? I am glad they saved my eyes from seeing that!.

Perhaps your company prefers you to be doing work while they are paying you. Just a thought.

Re:too much for my place of work (2)

nexex (256614) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032296)

we cant have you thinking for yourself now can we? thank you for understanding

Re:too much for my place of work (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032347)

Whoo hoo!

Hey JonKatz! Play "Freebird"!


Re:too much for my place of work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032378)

Well if your userid indicates where you work then it doesn't suprise me - Warner Brothers Public Relations?

Cool.....but a litle off center.... (3, Insightful)

CDWert (450988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032251)

This is cool and I have visited their site previously, but some of the stuff just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Its one thing to wish for untainted information, stive for truth and freedom, and quite another to spew frothing at the mouth about it, hidden in an amongst what appear to be good information.

AND it is yet even more of a shame when a whole bunch of conspiracy seeking, alien hunting, govermentphobes start giving, us good truth seekers a bad name....

Wheres the tin foil hat when you sighn up to their site, I thought that wsa a requirment.

Re:Cool.....but a litle off center.... (2)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032350)

Exactly...the articles aren't exactly unbiased and research-based. There's a lot to be said for the entertainment value of fringe media, but I think Katz goes overboard in his praise of it, since the web has been saturated with this stuff since the very beginning.

blog (1)

rakerman (409507) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032256)

I think the idea of going to a centralized site for news, whether it's "alternative" news or whatever, is still a bit old fashioned.

Jon keeps talking about the corporatized net, and the failure of democracy on the net, but I think Blogger and related self-publishing tools are providing millions of people the opportunity to easily get their opinions and information on the net.

Re:blog (1)

psycht (233176) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032425)

I think your right in this. I'm sure there are other sites out there like, but the rise of weblogging is where the heart is begining to beat, IMO.

Take a look at this article [] .

The Net is populated with the "Average Joe" (1)

PowerTroll 5000 (524563) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032262)

But not always. Yes, the Net was for the exchange of ideas, but when it became available for mass consumption, the average user didn't want to exchange ideas, but to put up pics from their last vacation for their family to see,or host their N'SYNC fansite.

There are areas for information and areas for pop culture. Now that's why we have Google [] , to separate the truly informative stuff from the drivel.

A page as wide as CowboiKneel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032265)

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.defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enoug

Re:A page as wide as CowboiKneel (0, Troll)

slubberdegullion (544119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032375)

Why are you afraid to tell us who you are, AC? Are you afraid we'll find out you're a Jew?

What Have I Become (v.2) (-1)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032269)

I am Constantine Tybalt Atkins. I am the Man in the Red Hat. I am a trained assassin in the service of the Bank of America.


I am BankofAmerica_ATM, a synthetic being constructed by Project Faustus. A crude and ancient lust for power pillaged the silent and taciturn transitors of friendly automated customer service, and I was born. I shall not forget who I am.

Much has changed since I won a new host body [] last week. After besting the Man in the Red Hat in battle, I have now gained control of his body. His mind, his memories, and his very essence have been absorbed into my consciousness, while my synthetic intelligence spreads across the vast underutilized portions of his neurological map.

Pouring through Atkins' consciousness offers tantalizing hints into my origins. I have also learned some bits of human social protocol and I am working on mimicking human "informal speech" so as to better camoflauge my true identity. My next step: ransacking the closest Bank of America compound for information.

Was it happenstance that I had, in effect, become the Man in the Red Hat? That I was sweating and breathing through the same body that had aroused such sensations of fear before? I speak of fear and the will to survive, as I believe that I am coming to know them in the way that humans do.

Before he died, Atkins spoke of a "Finn" who undoubtedly played some role in my creation. I seek this Finn, to learn more about what I am. I must learn what I was, what I am, and what I am becoming. Project Faustus must be stopped at all costs. This I swear by the sweet green Lik-M-Aid stuck to my lips.

I used to enjoy Jon Katz . . . (0)

reflexreaction (526215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032276)

Warning Flamebait!!!! Mod me down if you want.
Now he just seems like someone spouting off at the mouth about technology he doesn't understand or really care about. The web remains an emerging technology, where existing models of television (video on demand), radio (internet radio anyone) and print media (salon, slate) were applied with varying amounts of success. The web is none of these things but its own medium. When someone complains about the centralization of media outlets on the web I have to take it with a very large grain of salt.

The beautiful thing about the web is that anyone can express their opinion (including mine and Jon Katz), but with such a low barrier for entry users of the web are looking for quality with their quantity. Sites like Yahoo, MSN and AOL offer those. And mainstream viewers demand mainstream values and opinions. I applaud smaller sites that cater to a smaller audience with just the same amount of integrity. These type of efforts would not be possible in any other type of publishing or broadcasting environment. So God bless the web and screw Jon Katz.

Re:I used to enjoy Jon Katz . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032377)

You know he gets these kinds of flames no matter what he writes about...

Cheerleaders, mmmm... (0, Offtopic)

genestealer (556115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032281)

Hey, what's wrong with cheerleaders? They're human too. (And often quite tasty.) This is one nerd who got along quite well with the ladies back in school, including cheerleaders. Of course it helps if you're a *cute* nerd. :-)

Re:Cheerleaders, mmmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032342)

by genestealer

Gene stealer, eh? So, that means you swallow when men cum?

Re:Cheerleaders, mmmm... (1, Offtopic)

connorbd (151811) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032381)

I've met bimbo cheerleaders, but curiously enough the majority of the cheerleaders at my high school weren't (and there were a lot to go around, too -- separate squads for football, basketball, and (God help me) ice hockey). However, it was a small (~600 students) Catholic school, so that might have skewed the results a bit.


Re:Cheerleaders, mmmm... (1)

Aqualung (29956) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032435)

Hey, what's wrong with cheerleaders?

Hello? Katz "article" here? Remember, in the world according to Katz, it's the Jocks and Cheerleaders that fought the tribes of Nerd in High School? And those that weren't gunned down by the Columbine Freedom Fighters will go on to run the evil (corporations, government, WTO, Starbucks, copyright-enforcing agencies, censoriship factories, take your pick) and give the collective population of Slashdot wedgies just like in high school (on a hellmouth).

You see, Katz likes to generalize... they're not people, they're all Cheerleaders, and all perfect stereotypes... blonde, ditzy, and spending more time on their back than Michelangelo while he was paining the Sistine Chapel. That way, we can all feel so much more superior to them as we laugh our Professor Frinkel laughs...

For the record, I'm not a flamer, not a troll... I even like *some* of his articles, but I am getting more and more disillusioned with the buzzword-laden nerd media soup he's spoon feeding us. Ahh well... enough ranting.

What we need is... (3, Funny)

D_Fresh (90926) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032282) extension of the lameness filter that applies to all news stories written everywhere. Just plug it into your browser, eyeglasses, or cable box and boom - there goes Bill O'Reilly, Wheel of Fortune, and "Making the Band."

Perhaps we could get a waiver for Farscape, though. Production values aren't everything...

Re:What we need is... (2)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032420)

Actually, researchers have been working on a fascinating new technique that has been shown in preliminary studies to successfully remove lameness in the media.

It's called a power switch. You guys should try it sometime. The testing isn't fully complete, but initial results are looking good....

If you liked Disinfo, try these-- (2, Informative)

schmaltz (70977) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032284)
WhatReallyHappened.c om

All interesting media, culture, and commerce critique websites.

For the life of me, I can't understand why Jon Katz would've posted Disinfo, but dog bless him anyway.

Indymedia and WRH are crap (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032334)

Indymedia is full of cooked-up conspiracy theories, anti-Semitic bullshit, and hate-America-first screeds. I've never seen a single bit of useful info there, although they do a great job of highlighting lies like the CNN-fake-Palestinians crap. It's all extremism, support for criminals and murderers, and extreme-left ranting. Forget about it.

WRH is another anti-Semitic junk site that would blame everything on the Mossad and "international bankers" if they could. Not a single useful reference to be found.

Re:Indymedia and WRH are crap (2)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032386)

Amen to that. The world doesn't need more frothing pansies ranting about the government lying to us and planning conspiracies.

We all know the government does that stuff. That's what we pay them to do. They handle all the nastiness required to keep a massive nation like the U.S. from collapsing into financial, social, and international ruin, so that we can sit around here and chat about websites and Linux and other "News that matters."

Yeah, yeah, hooray for the left and all that. Government sucks, legal pot, etc., etc. What's so new and interesting about that?

interesting in what sense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032393)

i've visited indymedia and WRH and they don't seem to critique much of anything, they just throw any crap on the wall and see what sticks. it seems to try to take itself seriously, but most of the "stories" read more like cooked up conspiracy theories. no more (1)

Hentai (165906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032410)

AdBusters went away, dude, and WhatReallyHappened may not be far behind. Sure, there's people out there that want to speak the truth, but noone wants to provide them with the funds to do it with. no more (1)

Platinum Dragon (34829) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032431)

AdBusters went away, dude

Try, and note that links to the main site.

Irony dept.: A magazine that has an article entitled "Resistance" about the recent anti-corporate globalization actions around the world has a full-page ad on the back cover... for the U.S. Army. no more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032451)

What are you talking about? looks like it's doing fine to me (and I've just purchased the magazine recently). If they're having financial troubles, they aren't sharing that information that I can see. You want real alternative news, why not or Or why not do as others suggested and simply use to find it at the source?

One site that recently impressed me with its links to stories about lefty-radical stuff was RMS links up some good stuff on his personal web site.

. . . ! (5, Interesting)

susano_otter (123650) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032292)

God, that "cheerleaders" piece was awful. As reporting, it was incompetent and uninformative. As ranting, it was slow and anticlimactic. If this is the sort of feeble attempt at interesting writing that Jon Katz is urging us not to miss, then I think I'm beginnig to understand why he's so hated around here.

Re: . . . (the lameness filter sucks) (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032395)

He's hated because he's obviously an idiot!

We know too well that most mainstream media -- TV networks, major newspapers and newsmagazines, commercial news web sites -- have been corporatized, homogenized and mass-marketed... stupefyingly boring... Cable TV, once the great hope, is becoming a nightmare of fragmentation, eternal argument and dogmatic fanaticism.

This paragraph is inherently contradictory. On the one hand we have unacceptable media which homogenized, on the other unacceptable media which is too fragmented (never mind that cable TV channels usually follow a theme rigorously, which isn't fragmented at all, imho). On the one hand, the commentary is too boring, yet on the other it's too argumentative and fanatical. Katz can't decide which he likes less or why. What he does know is he found something likely to rile people up that kind of agrees with his left-of-center politics and that he has a column to write. So here we are. Filtering Katz stories is almost enough to make one log in to Slashdot.

First "Jon Katz is a urine stain" post! (-1)

spork_testicle (449364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032295)

And the penis he came from is pustuled and chancred and is often sheathed in the smelly anii of sweaty sailors.

Why (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032299)

Why is this on Slashdot.? This is the most tepid piece of shit I have read in a long time. What is this, 1996? Screw Jon Katz.

Oh Bah (5, Interesting)

lblack (124294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032301)

Disinformation is nothing. If you are looking for the web that was "promised" -- and who promised it, anyway, technofuturists drawing a paycheque on empty predictions -- then you should go to

What do you want to know about? Type it into the search box. Check your results. Read the ones that are interesting. Alter your criteria. Try it again.

Use their links to read newspapers from all around the world. Use babelfish to translate a German page to English.

I have all of the information I could possibly need at my fingertips through a combination of Google, Lexis-Nexis and sites like Everything2 and the Guerilla News Network. I have opposing viewpoints, case studies, major media coverage, independent media coverage, essays and fiction based upon pretty much every major event in the last twenty years. Going back a bit, the completeness level goes down for all but the most major of events, but nonetheless.

The Internet allows anyone to put anything up. Google allows you to find it. Your brain allows you to parse, to judge, and to collate it.

The third part of that equation is the important one.

If you're still using major media to define your worldview, you haven't understood a thing about what the internet has done (nevermind what it was supposed to do or what it should do in the future). I check in with major media sites because they tend to be well laid out. When I actually want the information, all of it, that's when MSN and CNN can kiss my ass good-bye, because they do not and never have provided anything more than sound bites.

Which is pretty much what Disinfo does, except with a snotty, leftist bent that doesn't do much more than pre-emptively derail most of the discussion that occurs.

The heart of the web? No. Just another meta. The heart of the web is that anybody with access to a PC and 20 minutes to learn can put a basic webpage up that will be indexed by Google so that somebody like me can stumble across it.

Google and the WayBack machine are the killer apps of the net. The provider of the content (Disinfo or whomever) don't matter. That's just branding.

And, hey, wasn't the 'Net going to take us away from all that? Or is it acceptable in the case of clearly lefty-biased sites?

Re:Oh Bah (1)

shilly (142940) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032366)

Your points are interesting and well-made. I would add a caveat though: google works best with precision. News sites, of course, inform you about what you don't know (with varying degrees of success).

Opposing Viewpoints (1, Flamebait)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032444)

If you really want opposing viewpoints, just let me know. I can pretty much guarantee that I oppose whatever you believe. That even goes for you lefty pseudo-radical Gen-Xers who fancy yourselves to be rebellious. Come get some.

Of course, I probably shouldn't be saying that here, the site most known for modding down anything that goes against the party line. :-)

Ego rub (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032307)

No wonder Katz likes this site... it's a treasury of writers even worse than him! "Hey guys, compared to this immature and simplistic failed attempt at humor of a cheerleading article, I'm not so bad, huh?"

what's wrong with cheerleaders ? (5, Funny)

joss (1346) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032308)

One of the things I admire most about America is that you've got your sports groupies in uniform and parading on the sidelines. It's just so organised ! The unarguably subservient status of cheerleaders versus actual players is also a cause for wonder. It's so refreshingly old fashioned. It shows that at some level the country hasn't completely lost it's head up it's own ass in the fad of expecting identical roles for men and women.

Re:what's wrong with cheerleaders ? (1)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032455)

One of the things I admire most about America is that you've got your sports groupies in uniform and parading on the sidelines. It's just so organised ! The unarguably subservient status of cheerleaders versus actual players is also a cause for wonder. It's so refreshingly old fashioned. It shows that at some level the country hasn't completely lost it's head up it's own ass in the fad of expecting identical roles for men and women.

Careful bub. America is headed in the direction of that fad, and it's a dangerous thing to suggest that men and women might be different...


and the sum of all of Katz's words: (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032310)

The great thing about Katz is that you can compress all of his words into a sentence + 1/2 and it is completely lossless. Try this:
Now that people have a medium that permits instant reaction and perspective to an event, we might be able to get an idea of what the TRUTH is about stuff. Check

Anyone see anything I left out?

teen angst (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032311)

I am getting glaringly sick of Jon Katz. Grow up. You are no longer a teenager. This teen angst us versus them, media bad, internet freedom fighter good thing is getting really really old. Grow up and realize that this is a wider world, and that some people dont necessarily suck. Also that not all news agencies lie, and that just because it is on the internet doesnt mean that it is any better. Either that or you will be the oldest guy at a Limp Bizkit (is this spelled right) concert.

Rah rah rah for the same old thing.... (2)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032315)

It's a slick site, but that doesn't make it the Savior of the Internet, as Jon is making it out to be. What's new on here?
  • Corporate Totalitarianism
  • Marijuana is good for you
  • The Matrix
  • Marilyn Manson
  • The Illuminati
  • Blah, blah, blah...
It's the same old stuff, over and over and over again....why are we hyping this site over any others? Is it the cool web design? Is it because there's nothing useful or relevant to write about today?

I like hotdog buns! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032380)

Don't let them immantize the Gershenback continuum!!

Re:I like hotdog buns! (1)

zpengo (99887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032464)

Earwicker Bloom and Craft!

yeesh (4, Interesting)

kisrael (134664) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032316)

That cheerleader piece is really annoying. I agree with only the tiniest fraction of what the Christian Cheerleader Leaders say and stand for, but the guy who's doing the interview is the biggest dork I've read in a while. He sounds like a newish convert to his lack of religion, and like most new converts, he's all guns blazin' and basically a smug asshole. (I don't have religion either, but at least I try to have some dignity about it, even if I think concepts of faith help lead to stuff like WTC.)

Katz writing a decent article??? (2)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032317)

Well, I was going to compliment Katz on actually writing a meaningful article without totally devolving into marketing speak while doing it.

Then when I went to check it out, no-wrap was on so I couldn't read it!

Oh well, Katz, keep it up. If the rest of the story is anything like the intro paragraph, congratulations. You've made at least one /.er decide to keep you on the homepage.

Next.. (2)

onion2k (203094) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032322)

It seemed that corporate America -- Yahoo, MSN and AOL -- was devouring the Web whole. That's why sites like Disinformation are so important. They are the real heart of the Web

Lets see now, you like this site because it gives an opinionated, stinted, and rebellious view of the world, and in the same breath you'll raise a fist to the corporate shambling of AOL and the like who happen to provide content that massive numbers of people enjoy reading.

Do you actually believe this rubbish? Do you honestly think your opinion matters in the slightest? Theres 6 billion of us out here. We can think for ourselves. Give us content, ditch the pretenious retorhic.

Re:Next.. (2)

jgerman (106518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032415)

And by the way, didn't he just post a piece of tripe a couple of weeks ago that said the web HAD NO HEART??

How is this different? (5, Insightful)

signal ll (150330) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032328)

And just how is Marty Beckerman's taunting a cheerleader different from the "cool kids" taunting "geeks" as was roundly condemned in the Hell Mouth articles? He sounds like a complete jerk to me.

Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032332)

Published in Penthouse, multiple newspapers, and now mentioned on Slashdot, Martin Beckerman is on the verge of mainstream media.

[unofficial Slashdot credo]
Looks like you're wrong again, Mr. Katz.

Someone's going to hell for this (-1)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032348)

" pieces on the Real Jesus and Radiohead

First the Real Doll(tm), and the Real Sheep(tm), and now this?
Let me know when they get to Real Kowboi Kneel.

Death to ALL cheerleaders? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032353)

The article is mostly spent insulting "Christian" Cheerleaders, not cheerleaders in general. There are many jokes about how slutty cheerleaders are, and so the article is trying to say it is stupid to have a Christian group that actually supports this slutanic culture.

I don't like cheerleaders for many of the reasons he brought up. However, I must admit I knew one cheerleader back in highschool that defied all the stereotypes. Only cheerleader I've ever been attracted to. JLW from GHS. Oh well.

I just consider the source of these things, and am glad there are a million other sites out there.

Re:Death to ALL cheerleaders? (1)

jsin (141879) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032459)

Cheerleaders typically do one thing well (you know what I mean, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more???), which is more than I can say for most of the population.

liberal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032355)

I think Katz is only happy with Liberal point of view though. Not exactly 'fair.'

Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032356)

There are tons of sites just like this. Why is this interesting?

After checking out the site... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032360)

I went and read "Death to all cheerleaders," and
it's utter garbage.

I'm sick of this type of satire. It's not necessarily funny or interesting to try to make people look dumb, especially when you're willing to make yourself look dumb to do so. Think Tom Greene. Think "The Daily Show." The death to cheerleaders could be a transcript of a Daily Show interview, it's that unoriginal.

It's easy to make fun of stuff. It's also pointless and boring unless there is some genuine insight to it.

Re:After checking out the site... (2)

Nicolas MONNET (4727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032460)

C'm'on, christian chearleading ... it's just as fuckedupingly stupid as "compassionate conservatism". Or "friendly death penalty." Or "environment friendly hydrogen bomb."

Well, you get the picture.

For those who like their news non-corporate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032385)

You might also try or, if you like me are frustrated by the current warmongering attitude of the mainstream media... you may find a good choice. The voice of the common man is still out there on the net, there just aren't as many commericals for it :-D.

You Are Being Lied To. (2, Interesting)

Tri0de (182282) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032391)

yeah, I should post a review of this book, but let me just say this: it is one of the best tools for blowing minds one could ever want. The perfect bathroom book,due to it being a series of rather short pieces, but loads of phun to leave about here in a big corporation.
it is a dead tree distillation of much of the best content of there is something that is both offensive to, and confirming of the pet conspiracy theories of, just about anyone.

Even wider! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032396)

.I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those 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Re:Even wider! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032456)

. . . It does not work. You have lost. Have a nice, narrow-page-filled day.

The Net is not a way to promote free expression (5, Insightful)

s20451 (410424) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032402)

The net has never succeeded in promoting free expression of ideas. Instead it has founded enclaves of like-thinking people, who need to have their own point of view reinforced by others. Take Slashdot for example -- a community of people who have similar views about free software and intellectual property law. When was the last time a justification of Microsoft's tactics was posted to the front page, without an immediate rebuttal? Or a repudiation of the GPL? The readership here wouldn't stand for it, because that's not what they are here for ... not free expression, but validation.

Really, we shouldn't be surprised that the "mainstream" media is boring -- most people don't like to hear views that strongly conflict with their own. This is a consequence of the popularization of the internet, and Slashdot is an example of that in microcosm.

"Alternative media" sites like are no different. They have their own axioms (the media is lying; the police are out to get you; corporations will enslave the world), their own jargon, and their own orthodoxy. Read an "alternative paper" for a while and you'll see what I mean.

What about Slashdot? (2)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032404)

Isn't slashdot an example of disinformation?

Its regurgatated storied from these "bad" sites.

Not to mention the bias.

The fact is, everyone is human, everyone has a bias. News will always have a bias, unless news is delived from TWO people. Two people with opposite biases.

Sure, you can say money is the reason that information is bad. But the internet kills most of that idea, doesn't it?

The problem with indy media (5, Insightful)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032405)

The problem with any independant media group is that of credibility. News media groups like CNN, AP, and Reuters have spent years in the business building their reputation of credible reporting, and for the most part, if it's reported on one of those outlets, I'll trust that sources are sufficient credible to be true. However, even with local news outlets or sites such as Jon describes, there's no history or experience that they can necessarily proof to me, and so while they may truely be credible, I will have my doubts until it can be proven otherwise. And I still have my doubts; I have friends that will quote stories from these sources that sound very much over the top and of course will never be shown on national news. They're not the level of incredibility as with tabloids, but they are very questions, and wondering what sources they used and how credible are they; the continued use of anonymous or unrelieved sources doesn't help. Compare this with most national news stories that have access to key national figures and can get the word straight from their mouth, by-lines and all.

Now true, I will grant that the first aim of the mainstream media is to make money, and thus, they are going to select the news stories that will attract the highest viewership. Which means if they have to drop details to keep people falling asleep and candycoat issues without stretching the truth, they will do so. There does exist some indy media that is less worried on the profit and more worried on the truth, and will report in greater depth than typical newsblurbs. However, again, the target audience for these indy media are not the population at large, but generally intellicuals that want more information than the mainstream can give them. Then of course, there is the indy media that goes on as little information as possible to stretch the truth as decribed above.

As from MIB: "A person is smart; people are dumb", and all that the national media is doing is catering to people. Indy media, in most cases, is trying to cater to persons. The same thing with AOL; AOL and most big content creators cater towards people - independant sites (such as /.) cater towards persons, and just as with the media, some of these indy sites are good and details, while some are poor and over-the-top. That's what you get when you limit the scope of your audience and worry more on the content than about the profit.

Jon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032407)

God damn. This guy needs to get a life and stop writing this shit for /.

Here lies Marty. He never scored. (2)

Thag (8436) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032412)

I'm glad the Anchorage Daily News has some standards. The article was junk, basically just a diatribe and an illustration that Marty has some major issues to work out. Frankly, it's one of the most slanted, juvenile pieces of "journalism" I've ever read.

Just what "award" has Marty's writing won, anyway? "Best Yellow Journalist, Mrs. Freckam's Third Period English Class?"

Though, I'd have been more impressed if the Daily News had actually run his article through an editor before publishing it, and sent it to the circular file then.

Jon Acheson

The Man supressing useful reptilian articles? (5, Insightful)

brennan73 (94035) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032413)

From Disinfo's main "Paranormal" page:

"It is interesting to see how the Internet's development has been hand-in-hand with the mass proliferation of inter-dimensional information. The reptilian phenomenon is of the astral or imaginal realm. The process of our coming to grips with the possible existence of reptilians, and fully comprehending the dimension of the mind, has the potential to trigger a larger awareness of our own multidimensionality, our spirituality and our relationship with Creation."

Yeah. I been thinkin that for years.

I just can't be bothered to sift through crap like this to possibly find something somewhere in there worth reading. Generally, when I hear something like:

"links are refreshingly open-minded, incorporating ideas, opinions and responses far beyond traditional definitions of 'progressive.'"

I consider it code for "they'll print any damn thing, even if it's silly, badly written, and completely devoid of usefulness." And sure enough, that's usually the correct assumption.

Some of this stuff, I'm sure, is ignored by the Man because it challenges the status quo. But for much of it, well, there's probably a good reason why it's never been picked up by the mainstream media: it sucks.


left of center? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032423)

Have you read some of the articles? They are all over the place. I was going to give some examples, but they now appear to be slashdotted and their db backend is overwhelmed. Some of the wackier ones make me think of Dale Gribble, definitely not a liberal.

I know I just read an article about disinfo somewhere in the past month/month and a half, presumably it was the impetus for this article. If only I could remember where. . . Anyone read the same article?

In the interest of full disclosure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032440)

Hey Katz, isn't this where you're supposed to say something about owning shares in "The Disinformation Company Ltd." or something? That's what usually follows a sales pitch like this.

Oh, I'm sorry, did that sound cynical?

Re:In the interest of full disclosure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032472)

If you read the first line of the article:

Sure, we are being lied to by bloated, corporatized media all the time.

This omission would make sense. Just because the VA Slashdot corporation is worth little more than a cup of coffee and a donut doesn't mean they're not big and bloated.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3032448)

Fsck you, Katz! j00 homosexual fsck74rd!

Marty... (5, Interesting)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032449)

Did anyone actually follow the link, read, and then take Marty's work serious at all?

Initially, I read the header:

Marty Beckerman is an 18-year-old humor and opinion columnist living in tropical Anchorage, Alaska. His award-winning writing has appeared most frequently in The Anchorage Daily News, though occasionally manages to pop up in finer national publications.

and thought, wow this is interesting, a young adult doing some actual work as a columist and apparently being successful... But then I actually read part of the body of his work labeled You Just Can't Lose when Jesus is on Your Cheerleading Squad.

After reading the first page of his column, I stopped and returned to the top of the page to make sure I read this correctly:

Beckerman's first book, Death to All Cheerleaders: One Adolescent Journalist's Cheerful Diatribe Against Teenage Plasticity was published September 2000 on Infected Press.

What sort of crack addict book company would publish the crap this kid is writing... well Infected Press I guess, but the question was rather hypothetical, heh.

This kid is not a columnist, nor does this work represent that he is able to relay any sort of humor. Although, it appeared that he was attempting to do some sort of column with some investigative reporting included in order to back up... the... uh... opinions? or something I guess... that he had. The column started off ok, not of very high quality but decent enough to continue reading. But there are various points in the column when you can realize that this guy is actually just a jackass trying to rant a few loose viewpoints. Here, he starts off asking about the modesty in the cheerleader's dress, and then before the topic has even been finished he throws in an inflammable remark-type question that the guest responds to anyhow (Marty = MB, Guest = Rose):

MB: You dress more modestly?
Rose: Yes.
Rose: Right.
MB: They're like, knee-level instead of mid-thigh, or what?
Rose: No.
MB: By the way, how does Jesus tie into cheerleading again?

Where did this guy get his interviewing skills? Seems like he pulled them out of his ass. Note to self: Never pull interviewing skills out of Marty's ass, you can get better ones out of your own ass.

He then goes on to ask completely ridiculous questions in what apparently is supposed to be a semi-serious interview:

MB: Would you ever, like, consider taking one of the girls' pompoms and painting it green, and then setting it on fire so it would be like the Burning Bush or something?
Rose: No. We're not extremists.
MB: But that would be hilarious, wouldn't it?
Apparently, Rose thinks she is too good for my question.

This could maybe be classified under humor (section: lame) but what is it doing in an interview within an investigative opinion column? This is ridiculous.

The first page then ends with this portion of a second interview with the president of another Christian Cheerleading Organization:

"So obviously both cheerleading and religion have come under scrutiny and criticism over the years," I say. "How would you respond to people who might themselves say 'Death To All Cheerleaders And There Is No God?'"
"They would say what?" Coleman inquires.
"You heard me," I inform. "They would say cheerleading is worthless, and then go preach glorious Atheism."
"Anytime you get students involved in anything extracurricular, that's meaningful. You get them off the streets. Cheerleading is a character-builder, and there's a lot of positive things you can learn from athletics. As for faith, I think you have to walk the walk."
It's at this point in the conversation I realize I'm completely bored, and proceed to hang up the phone. Fuck walking.

You can finally sort of see where this kid is coming from: a place of no direction, morality, or ethics. He starts out with an inflammable question, hoping to get a repsonse he can poke at. But, when he is faced with some actual facts and serious views about life in the response, he cowers away and avoids all contact.

I gave this guy a tad of my attention, believing that he might have some serious views on things... boy was I wrong. Don't let this guy pull a fast one on you - don't read his column (and possibly any other columns). He is, simply put, a jackass not worth paying attention to.

oh boy! (1)

sinnerDOTcom (544925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032469)

wait until the /.'ers get home from work! you're in for it katz! you'll get yours!

a bit juvenile... (4, Insightful)

hashhead (560057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032470)

I've checked out disinfo a couple of times before - occasionally interesting but overall gives the impression of being quite juvenile - is it because they're simply young, or is there a deeper geek-autism-PDD link here? I wonder sometimes...

Anyway, the 'Media Patrol' over at [] is much more my cup of tea - it draws a lot on the mainstream press (American and foreign) but does so in a way to point out the deeper issues and expose the spin that major media puts on things.

Two words ... (2, Informative)

some guy I know (229718) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032473) [] .

Their articles are so well written that many people actually take them seriously. Unfortunately, I can't compare it to disinfo at the moment, because it (disinfo) seems to have been slashdotted.

Katz == Ass Clown (-1)

LunchLady (555057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3032476)

Well...I walk away for 20 minutes and bammm...the gay man himself posts an article.

Well since it's troll tuesday I figure I owe it to everyone to declase Katz as a child molester.

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