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Blizzard Rains on Bnetd Project

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the yellow-rain dept.

Games 771

Sir Homer writes: "Blizzard Entertainment has shut down the bnetd project using the DMCA, as declared in their site. The bnetd project is a battle.net server emulator licenced under the GNU/GPL originally for Linux and also works on most Unix variants. Project details can be found on this freshmeat.net page." As I understood it, bnetd was a complete re-implementation of battle.net, so it isn't clear what copyright violation Blizzard alleges occurred. Note to bnetd: under the DMCA, you can file a counter-notice with the hosting provider asserting that Blizzard was wrong.

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first? (-1, Offtopic)

casolorz (550202) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041630)

I am I first? ------ Have you downloaded LoudPC? get it now: http://loudpc.com?rid=cssla Use your PC's Outlook(tm) from any Internet browser or web phone.

text version in case slashdot gets slashdotted: (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041631)

Sir Homer writes: "Blizzard Entertainment has shut down the bnetd project using the DMCA, as declared in their site. The bnetd project is a battle.net server emulator licenced under the GNU/GPL originally for Linux and also works on most Unix variants. Project details can be found on this freshmeat.net page." As I understood it, bnetd was a complete re-implementation of battle.net, so it isn't clear what copyright violation Blizzard alleges occurred. Note to bnetd: under the DMCA, you can file a counter-notice with the hosting provider asserting that Blizzard was wrong.

first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041633)

quick enough for a first post here?

Blizzard: it's been fun (4, Interesting)

Rev. Null (127972) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041634)

You guys make some great games. I've had countless hours of fun with the Diablos, the Warcrafts, and Starcraft. Now I'll never buy any of your products again. Bye.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041656)

God forbid our favorite companies do things that HELP THEM MAKE A PROFIT!

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (2)

ink (4325) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041660)

Where does Blizzard make a profit from battle.net?

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041698)

Huh? The amounts of games sold and their advertisers (of which there are quite a few) are how battle.net makes money.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (2)

blowhole (155935) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041704)

They make profit out of battle.net by making it the only online network you can use to play some of your favorite games (think Diablo II, great single-player game but you can only play it multiplayer with battle.net. and maybe LAN?) On battle.net, they can enforce their CD-KEYs, whereas on clone networks, they cannot. This forces anyone who wants to play online to buy their own legitimate copy.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (1)

WoodenBoy (553109) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041776)

You can play Diablo II over the net via TCP/IP.

AFAIK, the only profit Blizzard is making from battle.net is the sale of their product. Of course, given how widespread the WC3 beta is, they could potentially lose sales from people who only play on bnetd.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (2, Insightful)

darkith (183433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041723)

battle.net forces users of Blizzard's software to purchase the software to obtain a legitimate key # to play online. While it is possible to play games like Diablo II via a hacked/cracked copy, they cannot be played on b.net.

And the online games that are not played on b.net are (more) vulnerable to hacking (who wants to play with a whole bunch of Level 99 characters?). Hence the existance of battle.net strongly encourages gamers to actually purchase the game.

They may not actually make any money directly of b.net (yet...), but I'm sure that it's contributed to their sales...

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041679)

That is a bold statment!
I really think that the people at Blizzard really care about you, Reverend Null. They will now see the error of their ways and do whatever it takes to make you happy. Do you want a pillow? Does your poor head hurt?

poor baby.

the truth is that the American public, probably even you will buy the games no matter what Blizzard pulls. All you want is a great product and you don't give a shit how you get it. Look at the jeans you are wearing, the fine leather codpiece you have on...do you think those were all made by happy, shiny people?

poop.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (1)

nodrip (459776) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041740)

Ditto - me too. Go f*** yourselves. I'll never buy another Blizzard game again.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (1)

sludgely (447712) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041747)

The reason that they did this, I suspect, is due to the fact that recently people discovered a way to emulate with the Warcraft III beta. Copies are being distributed all over the net, and blizzard wants to halt it anyway possible. Perfectly understandable in my opinion.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041766)

God forbid Blizzard actually have people beta test the WarCraft3 beta.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (5, Insightful)

i_am_nitrogen (524475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041770)

Don't be too hard on Blizzard themselves. It's all Vivendi's fault. Remember? The people who took MP3.com and turned it into an (even worse) annoyingly commercial craphole? The people who bought Sierra and Valve and Blizzard and made the policies on their games suck? Vivendi is evil, not Blizzard.

Re:Blizzard: it's been fun (3)

maxpublic (450413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041779)

I've purchased virtually every game Blizzard has ever put out, and was really looking forward to Warcraft III. I won't be buying it now.

Y'all might think about sending a nasty letter to Blizzard telling them what you think of them (include root@ and sales@; piracy@ might just be a dumping ground for vents), as I did. I doubt they give a shit if one pissed-off customer tells them to go to hell, but if five or ten thousand did that's a fair chunk of change....

Max

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041636)

Ya hoo!

3rd fucking post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041637)

fuck you all, you asstickling moderators! i find you aideas ascinfating, pleeas subscribe me to you rnewsle tter!!

Re:3rd fucking post (-1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041721)

Ralph learns the five food groups, helping him to eat a balanced diet, and has more fun because of his better health.

Down with the DMCA! (3, Informative)

I Want GNU! (556631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041639)

We all know that the DMCA sucks, so how about we do something about it? Sign the "Abolish the Digital Millenium Copyright Act" petition! [petitiononline.com]. Oh yeah, and donate to the Free Software Foundation [fsf.org], those goes have been working pretty hard to stop this nonsense from taking place.

It's time the politicians got some sense knocked into them.

Re:Down with the DMCA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041681)

Your linked efforts are futile. Best donate to the EFF, and snail-mail your Congressmen.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041641)

fp

First Nintendo, now Blizzard (1)

Imperial Tacohead (216035) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041643)

Just earlier today we all heard about Nintendo trying to use the DMCA to kill that flash linker product, and now Blizzard does the same thing. It hurts when your favorite gaming companies stoop to such levels of economic fascism.

Boycott (5, Insightful)

qslack (239825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041645)

bnetd was a lifesaver for me. Battle.net wouldn't work with my LAN setups so when I wanted to play with friends, one of them set up a bnetd. Thank you for all you've done, whoever wrote it.

But on to the topic of Blizzard. They're soon to be releasing Warcraft III, and the Slashdot audience is going to be a major market for them. I think we should steer away from any of their products until they withdraw this complaint and compensate/apologize.

So: when you see Warcraft III on the shelves, don't buy it. Buy Castle Wolfenstein or whatever, just don't buy products from a company who is against our rights on the net.

Re:Boycott (2, Interesting)

Cruciform (42896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041694)

Would sniffing packets be counter to the DMCA?
I'm no coder, but I would assume that you could find most of the information you need to send and receive in the packets if you analyze it long enough. Can someone in the know elaborate on how they did it, and why it's counter to the DMCA?

It's nice that we don't have that dumbass law up here (Canuck land), but then US lawmakers have no problems foisting such laws against friendly countries, so really none of us are safe.

Packet Dumps (2, Interesting)

protektor (63514) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041763)

Packet dumps of what is going on between the client and the server were exactly how the protocols for connecting to the servers were done I believe. I have several of the packet dump files here that people sent in to various of the developers to help fix bugs and figure out how things were suppose to be done.

Overseas! (3, Insightful)

starduste (550437) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041647)

What about hosting the site overseas? That way, the DMCA copyright law would not apply...

Re:Overseas! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041697)

Worked really well for the DeCSS author didn't it? :)

wcIII (1)

lowtekneq (469145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041648)

What i wonder is if this will change people's minds on buying War Craft III

Re:wcIII (3, Informative)

Quizme2000 (323961) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041755)

Yeah, we'll download it from Morpheus instead *sigh* No Don't do that either! I have boycotted the MPAA, Adobe and MS buy not giving them any of my money. To fight the DMCA:
1) Write your Representative and tell them how you feel about the DMCA. By law they are required to respond to all letters.
2) Don't purchase products from DCMA supporters
3) Tell DMCA supports that you will no longer buy their product because...

If you read this and think its too much trouble...fine I won't flame, but you should know that our Gov't laws are made by your representitives in congress and the senate, not by Corporations. Your congressman is a whore who values two things money and apporvel ratings. If you are a provider of either they will listen.

Text of www.bnetd.org (for when its slashdotted) (3, Informative)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041651)

Sorry, ...

... we are down right now. However, this time it isn't because of technical reasons but for legal issues.

This site has been disabled as requested by Blizzard Entertainment and it will remain closed as we have no legal recourse other than to file a lawsuit against a large corporation. This is due to 17 USC Section 512(c)(1)(C) (AKA DMCA, supposedly required to be passed by WIPO treaties). Blizzard claims bnetd is in violation of 17 USC Section 1201(b), though we do not agree with their interpretation. Blizzard refused to specify a specific list of files on this site so the whole thing must be blocked. We are very sorry for the inconvenience but there is nothing we can do.

Text of original message follows:

February 19, 2002

Internet Gateway Inc.
tjung@igateway.net
noc@igateway.net
hostmaster@igateway.net

Dear Sir or Madam:
This letter is to notify you, pursuant to the provisions of the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act, that we believe one of your customers is
infringing Blizzard Entertainment's, a division of Vivendi Universal Games,
Inc. ("VUG"), copyrighted materials. Specifically, Blizzard Entertainment is
the owner of the copyright for the computer games Diablo(r) II and StarCraft(r)
and the multi-player server software run by Blizzard Entertainment on its
Battle.net(r) site. The following site hosts and/or distributes software that
violates Blizzard Entertainment's copyright:
http://www.bnetd.org/
The aforementioned site either hosts or distributes software which illegally
modifies and/or alters Blizzard Entertainment copyrighted software or
bypasses anti-circumvention technology, thereby infringing upon Blizzard
Entertainment copyrights. Accordingly, Blizzard Entertainment demands that
you act expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the web page listed
above in order for you to claim a safe harbor under the DMCA from liability
for contributory and vicarious copyright infringement. Please immediately
delete or disable access to this web page and remove its contents from view.
Should you have any questions, please contact the undersigned at
piracy@blizzard.com or 949-955-1380 extension
1616.
I have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained
of is not authorized by Blizzard Entertainment, VUG, its agents or the law,
and that the information in this notice is accurate. I declare under penalty
of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that I am
authorized to act on behalf of all of the aforementioned entities.

Sincerely,
Rod Rigole
Corporate Counsel

End of original message.

We would like to thank our users for all the support and feedback over the years.

Dark side? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041652)

So does this mark the move of Blizzard to the Dark Side?

Just think... (1)

fluidmind (559358) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041653)

Just think though...as buggy as battle.net is already, if they had to deal with 3rd party servers and one didn't patch, they'd all stop patching, it'd be anarchy!

Re:Just think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041807)

Damn your stupid. Get a clue before you post, 3rd party servers which were enabled with bnetd wouldn't appear in the standard server listing on Internet Games in Blizzard games, just in lan listings or specified servers (enabling hosting of true local server hosted games).

Google comes to the rescue again. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041657)

Here we go, while it lasts:

http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~rocombs/sc/ [nmsu.edu]

Re:Google comes to the rescue again. (2)

i_am_nitrogen (524475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041792)

Thanks for the link to a site where all the files are "permission denied." It was a nice try, at any rate...

Vivendi is evil! Dad gummit, you're telling me that somebody bought my employer and I work for the ... NO! don't take me away!! I promise to never use free software again (while you're watching)! *mumbling* vivendi vivendi vivendi

Preventing cheating? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041662)

I suspect Blizzard tried to shut down bnetd due to cheating reasons. On a perfect server program, intelligence is held in the client completely; of course Blizzard did not use a client-intelligence model as usual. Particularly malicious users will no doubt use bnetd for unintended purposes.

Re:Preventing cheating? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041737)

It's becuase you don't need a valid cd-key to play on the emulated server. This means pirates can get together and play online. Thats the only power against pirates pc game companies had, the multiplay that went through their servers wouldn't work on a cracked copy. So if you wanted to play the multi you had to buy the game. If they can just make their own server anyone can play and they don't like it...

Sad News - Goatse.cx guy DEAD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041666)

I just heard the sad news on BBC radio. Web entreprenuer/pioneer goatse.cx guy was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never admired his work [slashdot.org], you can appreciate what he did for the 'last frontier' of the internet.

Reports are that he died from complications resulting from \"Blizzard Rains on Bnetd Project\". Truly a internet icon. He will be missed :(

This troll was reposted from the Troll Library without permission of the original author. If you object to this post, or if you wish to add your troll to the Troll Library, please reply to this message.

Re:Sad News - Goatse.cx guy DEAD (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041701)

man are you late! Were you doing something BESIDES looking at slashdot for a few minutes? Geez, try and be more focused!

fsgs battlenet server still available. (2, Informative)

dan the person (93490) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041667)

While it's not GPLed, the battle net server that everyone actually uses is still available.

There's no sign on their homepage that they have received nasty letters.

http://www.fsgs.com

Re:fsgs battlenet server still available. (2)

Carlos Laviola (127699) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041782)

1.5) What is the history of bnetd?

The project started around the time Starcraft was released. It was created for hack value and as a solution for the problems mentioned in the reply to question 1.4.

The original work was done by Mark, who maintained releases on http://www.starhack.ml.org/ through version 0.3. That version spawned several ports to MS-Windows, most notably FSGS. (...)

Blizzard just fell in my estimation (2, Insightful)

HawaiianMayan (550426) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041668)

I think Blizzard may have the best reputation among gamers of any development company. They've never put out anything but great games. I guess they don't mind blowing all that goodwill away.

It's obvious why Blizzard wishes this project didn't exist: they're trying to make money with Battle.net, and here these guys come along to potentially wipe out the market. So I might even have some degree of sympathy for them. But using the DMCA is just so obviously Wrong... it's practically immoral.

There's business, there's even "playing rough", and then there's just plain being assholes. Blizzard has crossed the line, and I don't think I'll ever think of them as highly again.

Best rep? I don't think so... (3, Interesting)

YuppieScum (1096) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041734)

Blizzard is the same company that incorporated SPY-WARE into StarCraft, and when called on it their response was akin to "Oh, you caught us... we'll take it out now, honest."

That didn't stop me buying Diablo II a while later, but after this I sure as sh!t won't be buying anything from them again...

Re:Blizzard just fell in my estimation (5, Interesting)

alsta (9424) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041736)

Please excuse me, but:

"But using the DMCA is just so obviously Wrong... it's practically immoral."

I thought that the DMCA was immoral to start with. IANAL, but they could very well pull this off. And it could be worse than you might think.

The battle.net servers store CD keys in some fashion to prevent multiple uses of the same key. In doing so, they can and probably will, claim that it is a copy protection device. You know, the kind that is illegal to circumvent, or provide means of circumvention to others, under the DMCA.

Enter bnetd. This is a GPL project which can be run by anybody, anywhere. Now these CD keys don't have to be checked, because the server might not require that. Hence paving way for your local lan party, using one CD key. Very much a circumvention of a protective device, if their device is what I described earlier.

Now, the real motive is why Blizzard may be trying to do this. Sales may be one issue, but it is still going to be fairely limited to people who know what they're doing. The more feasible version is probably that they're looking to charge an access fee for battle.net. The bnetd project would make a huge dent in such efforts, if not strike it down.

Here's the good part about that. If the bnetd people can reasonably prove that Blizzard acted in bad faith, the case may be dismissed.

But then again, IANAL.

Re:Blizzard just fell in my estimation (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041759)

This is exactly what they are claiming. But it doesn't make sense for a few reasons:

1) The game could check for duped keys itself since it has to talk to the other clients. It does not.
2) The user could play over TCP/IP with Diablo II and older games allowed playing with IPX
3) The CDKEY check can not be implemented in third-party servers because it is encrypted! The number is different every time - even for the same key!

The bnetd project has been very careful to stay away from cracks, serial numbers, ISOs, etc. They were removing items like those from the message boards. It sure didn't seem to help them in the end!

*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041674)


"We believe you have thought of a idea that we thought of a long time ago. Since we have a much larger amount of money than you, we are hereby filing an injunction against you using your brain. Please discontinue thinking or doing anything that causes us to potentially lose money. You are evil for even thinking about it in the first place."

feh.

jeez (1)

diamondc (241058) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041675)

why didnt they just name their server binb (bnetd is not battle.net)
worked for GNU

Re:jeez (2)

ajakk (29927) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041707)

Maybe because this was not a trademark problem, but a copyright problem. They weren't complaining that the server was named bnetd.

Why don't you actually read the letter?

Re:jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041785)

But I do like that the name binb better :P

The only solution (4, Insightful)

Prop (4645) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041682)

People bitch about the DMCA but if Blizzard comes out with a must have game, will you go out and buy it anyway ?

Time to show you intend to punish companies that wield the DMCA to clobber the little guys.

Boycott Blizzard.

piracy??? (1)

cakoose (460295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041688)

They're using their 'piracy' e-mail address to handle this...probably to scare the host.

Re:piracy??? (1)

thermostat42 (112272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041742)

They probably think of it as a piracy issue. What does battlenet gain them? they don't charge for it, but they do get to check serial numbers. I imagine that they figure bnetd will be used to play pirated copies of their games over the net. Not that I condone their actions, but I think battle.net was their best defence to force people to actually purchase a legal copy of the game.

Re:piracy??? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041743)

"They're using their 'piracy' e-mail address to handle this...probably to scare the host."

Nope it's because they really are dealing with a service that facilitates piracy, even if it was not their goal. Here's how it works.

Say you get a copy of Diablo II and want to play it on the net. Well if Blizzard is your only option you need the CD Key that comes with the game and is unique to your copy. The battle.net service checks the cd key and if one is already online it nukes the key on the premise that it is pirated. That's how Blizzard and id software (the quake guys) amoung others do it.

Well if you don't need battle.net then you don't get cd key checking. So bottom line, Blizzard did the right thing here, it's a clear cut case of circumvention that facilitates piracy of Blizzard software.

If the authors of said program don't like it, then they can try to work with Blizzard to offer a compliant product. If Blizzard says no, then attack them via antitrust. The Diablo series and expansion packs have sold over 7 million copies and so it could be construed as a monopoly in the online PC games arena and if they do not play ball, they could be seen as leveraging that monopoly.

Sure I'm not a lawyer but knee jerk Blizzard is bad crap is being moderated to the moon at the moment.

They didn't shutdown sourceforge (5, Informative)

Baca (7658) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041695)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnetd

CVS, and the downloadable files are still there for now.

Just submitted this... (4, Interesting)

crisco (4669) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041702)

to YRO, any bets whether it gets double posted to /. twice?

Seriously though, this only happened when someone warezed the WarcraftIII beta and modified it to work with BNetD, creating an 'open' beta test. This obviously infuriated Blizzard into having the BNetD project shut down. A shame too, since it doesn't cost them anything to have quite a few more of their fans playing the beta.

Ha (2)

crisco (4669) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041714)

double posted to /. twice?

shame I didn't notice the 'double twice' when I previewed...

Re:Just submitted this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041726)

Bingo, you're the first slashdotter to hit the nail right on the head.

Blizzard did this because bnetd was modified to allow people who downloaded a warez copy of the Warcraft III beta to play on non-Blizzard servers. Simple as that. They won't go after fsgs, for now, because it doesn't pose the same threat. Sure, they have the exact same legal ground to stand on should they choose to do so, but the Warcraft III beta test really put them over the edge.

I fail to understand the DMCA Jurisdiction (5, Insightful)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041705)

Digital Millenium Copyright Act: (layman's definition) A piece of legislature which prevents people from thieving digital ideas or products and publishing them as their own.

BNETD: A program that emulates a battle.net server.

Notice how it says "server"? Blizzard doesn't sell their server software, and nor does BNETD allow people to play the Blizzard games. I've never heard of a company shutting down a utility on the grounds that it enables more people to use their product. That'd be like a bucket company suing a mop company for making mops designed to fit in their buckets.

DMCA all over again...

Re:I fail to understand the DMCA Jurisdiction (1, Insightful)

stubear (130454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041748)

It can ultimately harm the quality of their product. Blizzard has gone to great lengths to try to limit cheating, PK'ing and general misfits from ruining an otherwise enjoyable game. While they are not perfect, they control what the players can get away with. If a new cheat is discovered, they can close it. They cannot force BNETD, or any other server hosting their games in this manner, to patch cheats and issues with user interaction, thus potentially harming the quality of the game and in turn the number of players usingthe service. Remember, in the minds of most people, they will blame Blizzard for these problems, not BNETD.

Re:I fail to understand the DMCA Jurisdiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041749)

You forgot one key point (no pun intended)...

bnetd let's you play without a valid cd-key, thus circumventing the copy protection...

Re:I fail to understand the DMCA Jurisdiction (1)

indiigo (121714) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041760)

In business/marketing school they teach about how a customer's perceived image of a company is one of the most important facets in repeat, ongoing relationships.

Blizzard found the easiest way to ensure that people that buy their games only receive the content that Blizzard sells, and the image Blizzard wants is their own. It's a great short term strategy but probably negative on keeping a long term relationship with enthusiasts.

Re:I fail to understand the DMCA Jurisdiction (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041762)

"I've never heard of a company shutting down a utility on the grounds that it enables more people to use their product."

You haven't? How about any companies that don't like it when their programs are transimitted gratis to others who didn't pay for them AND authentication schemes meant to protect the product from unlicensed use rendered useless?

Does Anyone Have the Code? (2)

johnnyb (4816) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041711)

Anyone have a download link to another source archive so we can all get it before it goes away?

I am not in favor of this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041712)

As an American consumer, I am outraged at this effort by Blizzard Entertainment to take away my fair use rights. Under fair use, I am allowed to make infinitely many copies of my leaked Warcraft III beta, crack them, and play them on-line. Now if the government wants to take away my right to make Fair Use copies of software that I may or may not own, then I object.

I have decided to boycott government officials until the DMCA is repealed.

Blizzard violated the DMCA too. (2, Redundant)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041713)

I went to the project's home page, and noticed everything was double rot13 encrypted.

How to Blizzard know what the page was about unless they cracked the encryption? Time to send our lawyers out.

The real reason it was shut down... (5, Insightful)

csen (41241) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041715)

I'm willing to bet some Warcraft III ladder points that the timing of bnetd being shut down was due to the Warcraft III beta. People (myself included) are using it to play the beta illegally, which maybe made them think that we'd simply use the cracked beta instead of buying the game at a later date. I still don't understand what's so bad about a few thousand extra beta testers, but hey, it's their product, they have the right to do whatever they want with it.

Linux sucks so get used to it. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041716)

Yet another failed Linux indeavor. Linux will never beat MS at anything. Linux is only a OS for nerds and geeks who have nothing better to do then compile kernels. Real people use Microsoft products and OS's and are productive workers/users.

samba (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041722)

Isn't bnetd essential the same thing as SAMBA? Both seem to serve the same purpose, does that mean that SAMBA could be shut down under the same threat from Microsoft?

So What? You can still download... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041730)

You can still download at http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnetd
An since it's open source, someone else can just pick up where the bnetd dev team left off.

Re:So What? You can still download... (1)

dnight (153296) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041791)

downloaded. not knowing much about it so far, I'll just put it in the "let's see how it pans out" folder.

I don't think it's Battle.net, its pirated games (4, Insightful)

dbrown (29388) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041732)

If I remember correctly, Battle.net is a completely free service. It's not like bnetd was taking revenue away from some online service Blizzard has. However, Battle.net does serial number verification. You cannot create a battle.net account without a unique serial number which is only obtained by buying a legit copy of the game.

I don't know enough about bnetd, but I would bet that bnetd doesn't do serial number verification. This basically allows everybody to use the same warez copy of a particular game and enjoy the benefits of Battle.net. I'm sure this is the largest reason why Blizzard wants to shut them down. Blizzard doesn't make any money off its free Battle.net service, but it does enforce that people actually buy the game.

- d

Re:I don't think it's Battle.net, its pirated game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041802)

Yes, but people could play the games anyway becaus e the clients don't do a duplicate key check. You don't need bnetd in order to be able to play with a pirated copy.

Did the DMCA really make it illegal not to implement copy control protections? I thought that law was called CCCS or something and hadn't been passed yet!

Yeah, right. The source is already out there. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041738)

Good luck stopping it now.

Blizzard's Lawyers (5, Informative)

protektor (63514) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041744)

Well I talked with Blizzards lawyers about this. They claim the problem is that bnetd doesn't have the CD-KEY anti-piracy that their servers have. Thus anyone with pirated copy can play online with bnetd but not on battle.net, thus we are encouraging piracy by providing a place for people with pirate copies to play online.

I suspect the real reason is the Warcraft 3 BETA mess. Combine this with the issue of other groups (http://www.madgrfx.com/warforge.html, http://www.clan519.com/, and a group on DALnet #bnetd) trying to say that they were the bnetd group and began working to support the Warcraft 3 BETA being pirated everywhere. Well I am sure that didn't help things at all.

It does seem like a DMCA violation to me. (5, Informative)

mrAgreeable (47829) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041751)

They implement copy protection via a serial number, which is verified online through the battle.net servers. If you have your own server, and modify your hosts file or whatever so that it goes to this new server instead of the battle.net server, their copy protection is circumvented. The DMCA says you can't make a device ("device" having been interpreted to mean software) that bypasses copy protection.

It's a terrible law, which copyright holders can apply in far too broad a scope, but terrible or not, it's on the books. Write your legislator, or hope the supreme court finally stops it.

Warcraft III Anyone? (2, Insightful)

Warped-Reality (125140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041758)

Perhaps the _REAL_ reason they did this was because of Warcraft III Beta.... Since W3 is Battle.net only, It doesn't make sense to give copies to all your friends... they can use up your cd key (and since there's only 5000 copies, Blizzard likely has a list of all valid keys making a keygen futile)

Now with this bnetd, you can copy your Warcraft III Beta CD over and over again and simply play on your LAN or any bnetd server

With that in mind, Blizzard probably should have gone a different route then using the DMCA

mirror (5, Informative)

jbridge21 (90597) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041767)

http://censored.firehead.org:1984/bnetd/

I expect to get the CVS version of the project up there soon as well.

counter notice won't do any good (1)

bugstomper (560486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041769)

The article's suggestion to bnetd to file a counter-notice won't do any good. If you follow the link you see that the copyright holder is supposed to respond to the counter notice by filing suit in court within 14 days. That doesn't seem to me like a desirable outcome for someone without the money for legal expenses.

Sianara Blizzard! (0)

Evil_Furby (153516) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041771)

You've lost yet another customer. If you had any balls you wouldn't use the DMCA. Feel free to kiss my behind.

Bye Blizzard. (5, Insightful)

Restil (31903) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041773)

You've fallen. Starcraft was one of my favorite games. In fact, its the last game I ever bought, as I'm no longer much of a gamer. Me sitting here vowing to never purchase another of your games will no doubt fall on deaf ears, and it would be a pointless guesture since I'm not buying them anyways.

But consider something. bnetd costs you nothing. If anything, it saves you bandwidth costs. You still sell the games. Oh, sure, you might complain that there's no cd key verification in bnetd and people can play cracked copies online with others now. Is this your reason? Perhaps it makes sense. Perhaps it doesn't. Maybe this gives cheaters the upper hand, maybe it doesn't. Maybe nobody really cares anyways.

What have you accomplished? Did the DMCA stop the proliferation of decss? No, it just moved it underground. You've taken a legal product and forced them to become outlaws. Now they have NO desire to cooperate with you, nor should they. Here is a group of people, who for NO MONEY WHATSOEVER have taken it upon themselves to provide services in your honor, to promote your products. And how do you respond?

What could these people have done for you? Its these same dedicated individuals who spend countless hours creating maps, who create all the fan sites. Creating for years on end an almost insatiable market of gamers who drool in anticipation of your next quality release, so they can start all over again starting with a purchase that puts money in your pocket and funds your next game. They're your customers. They're people who have a vested entertainment interest in prolonging the life and creative talents of your fine establishment. Without these people, your games would have no community. They would be played for a few months then forgotten. Your sales would never reach the levels you're used to seeing. These people are the reason you exist as you do today.

And you've just gone and pissed them all off. Great job. I truely admire your lack of vision.

-Restil

bnetd and war3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041775)

Just a bit of speculation, but I imagine the reason that bnetd was shut down today and that fsgs remains up is that the bnetd source has been modified to allow for war3 games. This means that the war3 beta CD's can pirated and played without actually having to be a beta tester. I don't know exactly how this hurts Blizzard (buggy beta version without single player support or full player support) but at least this movement makes some chronological sense. I seriously doubt that Blizzard cares how people play local Starcraft games: they just dislike people playing war3 before they've released war3.

Blizzard Contact Info (5, Informative)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041777)

Ok, here's the contact info straight from their web site, if you feel like voicing your opinion. Couldn't really find a "bitch at us" address...

Blizzard Entertainment
P.O. Box 18979
Irvine, CA 92623

Sales Information/Ordering
USA: (800) 953-SNOW
International: (949) 955-0283
sales@blizzard.com

Support
support@blizzard.com or
macsupport@blizzard.com

bnetd is mature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041780)

bnetd is already very mature and stable, and since its gpl'd has been included on any number of Linux distro cds. its going to take a lot more than stopping one site to destroy it from the internet, which i might add, is probably close to impossible.

anyway, i say we boycott blizzard, and besides that, everyone should go download a copy of Freenet and start sharing the bnetd source.

Starcraft (1)

jjccss (238401) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041793)

If I am not mistaken you could play Starcraft with up to four players on a local lan all using the same cd key. I forget the actual method but in effect weren't they already circumventing their own copy protection. This seems redundent. You can use our software to play our game on a lan, but not your open source server software.

Don't blame Blizzard!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3041795)

Why are you idiots blaming Blizzard for not supporting a crap OS ? Windows is were it is at and frankly Blizzard is looking to make money not lose it supporting a crap OS like Linux.

I don't get it? (1)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041797)

How does Blizzard lose out if people want to play their games? Seems this would only sell more Blizzard video games.

Time to take (in)action... (1)

deblau (68023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041798)

Suck it up, and don't buy Warcraft 3. Don't steal it from your friends. Tell them not to buy it or steal it either. And write a letter to Blizzard explaining why you did so. The crowd here contains the most avid fans of the gaming industry. Let's (not) do something about it, and make sure they know they're pissing off their biggest customers.

get the files here while you can (1)

kajoob (62237) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041803)

if you want to grab the files while you can, grab it from sourceforge here [sourceforge.net] or here [dyndns.org] or here [nmsu.edu] while they last. That should cover all the flavors.

Ermmm.... (0)

Floydian123 (317261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3041810)

How is this possible at all? If this is possible, think of what it can lead to - you buy a game, then cannot proceed to connect to any server, only official servers. Imagine if Quake/Half Life was just "Official Servers." I take it they are very different cases, but what if a company did come out with a death match game, or any other for that matter, but who shut down anyone who made a server like theirs.

Also, in regards to the DMCA's power, I have no idea why they can force someone to stop so easily... shouldn't they have to go to court and prove their case? Other people have to go to court, why don't they??
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