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Red Flag Linux: Real, and Reviewed

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the love-the-uninstall-icon dept.

Linux 397

Over at NewsForge (NewsForge is part of OSDN, as is Slashdot), Roblimo has posted his impressions of the long-awaited, much-ridiculed Red Flag Linux (English version). It may not be a big seller outside of the Chinese-speaking world (despite the available English-language install), but it's not a hoax, and it's available as an ISO for download. Update from Roblimo: I did not write the NewsForge Red Flag review. Matt Michie deserves all credit for this excellent work.

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first pots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049244)

red flag as in communism?

Re:first pots (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049323)

or red as in sore ass?

Fist Sport (-1, Offtopic)

Max the Merciless (459901) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049246)

Begin the Long March to Microsoft's destruction

Slashdot in the future! (-1, Offtopic)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049250)

  • 2002. Slashdot publishes 1,000,000th rumor passed off as actual story. The story generates 480 comments, 263 of which agree with the article, and 107 of which point out it's a rumor and are modded down as redundant. The remaining comments are all "first posts."
  • 2002. CmdrTaco married.
  • 2002. Slashdot parent corporation VA Research^W Linux^W Software stock worth 35 cents. Rumors that AOL, Microsoft, or even Jimmy the hobo who lives under the Longfellow Bridge may buy it.
  • 2003. VA Software bought by Microsoft for a cup of coffee and a donut. All Microsoft-critical articles mysteriously disappear from Slashdot. Bill Gates as Borg logo replaced with Bill Gates as God.
  • 2004. CmdrTaco loses virginity.
  • 2004. The WIPO Troll returns again, showering Slashdot in 45,000 copies of the same post: "Lick my crotch hairs." Slashdot, despite running on 18 redundant IIS/8.0 servers, buckles under the load. The term "Slashdotted" is replaced with "WIPO-Trolled."
  • 2004. Slashdot officially shut down. Millions of screaming, unwashed geeks invade Redmond campus and lynch Bill Gates.
  • 2005. Linus Torvalds and Anal Cox found dead along with six penguins, a tub of crisco and several used condoms.
  • 2005. CmdrTaco rumored to have had sex again.
  • 2006. CowboiKneel found dead in hotel room with 56 pizza boxes covering his bloated corpse. Three suffocated gay prostitutes are extracted from beneath his body as police remove it with a backhoe.
  • 2007. CmdrTaco actually has sex again.
  • 2007. BSD is still officially "dying." No word on when its demise will take place.
  • 2007. CmdrTaco starts new weblog to replace Slashdot, creatively named Dotslash. Remainder of Linux users flock to the site and immediate WIPO-Troll it out of existence.
  • 2008. CmdrTaco has sex with his wife for the first time.

Re:Slashdot in the future! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049338)

You stole that VA backspacing you dick!

http://www.trollaxor.com/comments/2002/2/20/2038 55 /803/1

At least use ^H a bunch of times instead of ^W ...

Oh, and then visit http://www.trollaxor.com/ you fucking chuckleheads.

Re:Slashdot in the future! (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049383)

And I stoll COWBOIKNEEL from ol' WIPO Troll. Er... not the fat-ass, the term. Yeah...

Dirty Linux Hippies are Dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049252)

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Dirty GNU Hippie community when last month IDC confirmed that Rancid Smelling GNU Hippies account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all humans. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Natty haired greasy GNU Hippie have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Reeking Linux Hippies are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [sysadminmag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive /usr/bin/sh test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict the future of the Stinking sweaty Linux hippie. The hand writing is on the wall: Foul-stenched GNU hippies with swampy armpits face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for them because they are dying. Things are looking very bad for Hairy-backed GNU hippie. As many of us are already aware, they continue to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Troll leader Anonymouse Coward states that there are 7000 goatse.cx trolls. How many ascii art trolls are there? Let's see. The number of goatse.cx versus ascii art posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 ascii art trolls. Pimply-faced GNU hippies posts on Slashdot are about half of the volume of ascii art posts. Therefore there are about 700 Cock-Gobbling GNU Hippies. A recent article put "first post" at about 80 percent of the troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 "first post" trolls. This is consistent with the number of first posts.

All major surveys show that Putrid smelling greasy GNU hippies have steadily declined in market share. Slashdot is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Grubby Smelly Linux Hippies are to survive at all it will be among troll hobbyist dabblers. Slashdot continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Dirty GNU Hippies are dead.

This troll was reposted from the Troll Library without permission of the original author. If you object to this post, or if you wish to add your troll to the Troll Library, please reply to this message.

More news to cheer you up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049263)

Re:More news to cheer you up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049310)

That is hardly material worthy of the Troll Library.

ISO Mirror (-1, Informative)

thecarson (514020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049257)

Looks like the site got swamped. There's a mirror at the ftp site linked from HolyISO [holymac.com] .

Re:ISO Mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049328)

email me [mother.com]

I am testing a script to catch email address harvesters, I know this is oftopic, but please don't mod it down.

Re:ISO Mirror (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049348)

I am testing a script to catch child molesters, and you are on top of the list.

Re:ISO Mirror (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049377)

I am testing a script to catch YUMMY LITTLE KIDDIES, and your daughter is on the top of the list.

Re:ISO Mirror (1)

mmontour (2208) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049409)

Those who give an 'informative' moderation should first click the link to see whether or not it actually leads to an ISO of the software in question...

(this one doesn't, and the 'Red Flag Linux' link at the top of his page leads only to an Amazon.com 'honor system' donation page. I see no indication that the person receiving these donations has anything to do with the development or distribution of Red Flag Linux).

more to feed the machine (0, Troll)

lowtekneq (469145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049261)

more to feed the machine that is the chinese government. Its pretty sad how much they isolate themseves on the tech front. While the DMCA is bad enough this (great firewall of china, this, ect) is much worse.

Re:more to feed the machine (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049307)

You are an advocate of free use for software, yet you want to control who uses it?

Re:more to feed the machine (5, Interesting)

ender81b (520454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049332)

I don't mean to become flamebait here but shouldn't all the *nix people be dancing around a fire singing the praises of Red Flag and the chinese govt's decisions to use it?

I mean, it says something that the world's largest gov't decided to pick Linux instead of any other operating system (Cough Cough; The Beast of Redmond). Sure their Distro isn't going to be the best - it's their first try after all. But eventually they could really but something together that is a nice, good, stable distro. Consider if any of the other Distros had the resources of an entire gov't behind them.

Allright, the chinese gov't isn't anything close to being perfect, or even tolerable, but you have to give them credit for making the right choice here by using a customizable, and free, product. Far from isolating themselves on the Tech Front i'd say they where doing a pretty good job of jumping in.

One last statement: Since Red Flag is GPL that means that the entire source code has to be realesed etc, etc. Quite neat isn't it? That a totalitarian, communist country is being 'forced' (yeah I'd like to see em prosecute them for a violation of the GPL) to release it's precious code to it's next-gen op system. Quite an accomplishment.

Re:more to feed the machine (1, Flamebait)

beerits (87148) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049386)

I don't mean to become flamebait here but shouldn't all the *nix people be dancing around a fire singing the praises of Red Flag and the chinese govt's decisions to use it?

Sorry, "Linux, the choice of oppressive governments around the world!" isn't that great a PR move.

One last statement: Since Red Flag is GPL that means that the entire source code has to be realesed etc, etc. Quite neat isn't it? That a totalitarian, communist country is being 'forced' (yeah I'd like to see em prosecute them for a violation of the GPL) to release it's precious code to it's next-gen op system. Quite an accomplishment.

If the Chinese violates copyrights left and right what makes you think they will follow the GPL?

Re:more to feed the machine (3, Interesting)

ender81b (520454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049401)

instead of "the choice of oppressive gov'ts etc" why not point out that you are forcing the Chinese gov't to release it's source code and pointing out the benefits of a free market system?

About the GPL, they are following it, the code is freely available. So far at least.

Re:more to feed the machine (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049467)

I don't want to be a flamebait either, but here goes my honest opinion.

Have you noticed that you are "demonizing" people who create your clothes for your, almost every material and immaterial possession you have is made in SWEAT SHOPS, and when you go to Walmart, you ask youself...

"boy, this is TOO expensive, I'd rather spend my dollar elsewhere"

Where the only way for the price to go do is for the NORTH AMERICAN stores to switch suppliers every month, thereby FORCING (along with other ILLEGAL tactics) the prices the be "cheapa"....

And most people refer to these people as:

(1) CHINA
(2) COMMUNIST
(3) "EVIl" (you're brainwashed by Bush)
(4) A billion people

When all they are, are just people just like me and you. In fact more humane than us, because we do more harm to them, then they have ever to us.

So please think things over,

Have a open mind, but most importantly an OPEN HEART. That's what opensource is REALLY ALL ABOUT.

Sincerely

A concerned and caring citizen

Re:more to feed the machine (2)

Wateshay (122749) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049407)

Contrary to popular opinion, not everyone on Slashdot blindly champions open source just because it's open source (and is the cool thing to do). Many (actually, I would say most) Slashdotters are champions of open source/free software because they like the freedom it provides. A love of personal freedom for one's self, generally transfers to a love of freedom for others. Since the Chinese government is an oppressive government that denies its citizens the level of freedom they deserve, many Open Source advocates do not see the Chinese Government embracing Open Source as something to brag about (much as we wouldn't brag about the knowledge that the KKK used it to keep track of lynchings).

Re:more to feed the machine (1)

brokenbeaker (267889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049502)

Look, just because a culture enjoys or promotes individual freedoms, this does not mean that you will have a just or equitable society. Whenever you have more than one person at one place, you have to start balancing the rights of the individual and the rights of the group. So often in the West, especially in the USA, this balance swings far to the individual. Just look, for example, at Bush's views on the Kyoto protocol - He will endorse no action that harms American economy. Never mind the country puts out about 1/4 the global CO2 emission.

In this case we have a country that promotes individual rights - and by the tone of your post is 'good'. But look at the impact of this country on the global scale.

How do you feel about the NSA putting out a linux distro?

Perhaps you also have to think about the freedom a chinese linux (with its openly disclosed source code )may provide chinese with some more freedom.

Re:more to feed the machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049416)

Since Red Flag is GPL that means that the entire source code has to be realesed etc, etc.

The GPL depends upon copyright law for its enforcement. China is notorious for copyright infringement. Perhaps they will release the source code, but it sure won't be because of the GPL.

Re:more to feed the machine (2)

PeterClark (324270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049429)

I don't mean to become flamebait here but shouldn't all the *nix people be dancing around a fire singing the praises of Red Flag and the chinese govt's decisions to use it?

Look at it this way: the GPL is centered around the notion of freedom. Suddenly, a country that isn't exactly know for a natural proclivity towards freedom adopts your number one symbol. You experience a little cognitive dissonance, because on the one hand, you really think said country should be more respectful of its people's rights, yet on the other hand, are compelled by your own morals to allow them to use it.


This brings to mind another article I was reading, about how the Anti-Defamation League was exposing racist games produced by white supremists using...open source gaming engines. I imagine that the programmers may experience a little discomfort at that; after all, everyone knows that in a first-person shooter, all races (human and alien alike) should be shot into nasty little giblets, regardless of their ethnic origin. I'm sorry, I shouldn't be so glib, but you see my point; when you release code under the GPL, you have to risk someone taking it and using it for evil purposes. Very few people think that white supremists are anything but redneck losers who are so pathetic that they can't find their way out of a paper bag and need to blame someone for their own stupidity, but they have the same right to free speech as the rest of us. If you deny them that right, then you set up the very real potential of denying many more their right to free speech.


One last statement: Since Red Flag is GPL that means that the entire source code has to be realesed etc, etc. Quite neat isn't it? That a totalitarian, communist country is being 'forced' (yeah I'd like to see em prosecute them for a violation of the GPL) to release it's precious code to it's next-gen op system. Quite an accomplishment.

After reading the review, it doesn't look like this is much more than Red Hat with all instances of "Hat" replaced with "Flag." (See my prior comment above.) I personally am not expecting much new original code coming from Red Flag for a good long time, if this is how they produce a distribution...


:Peter

Re:more to feed the machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049481)

> After reading the review, it doesn't look like this is much more than Red Hat with all instances of "Hat" replaced with "Flag." (See my prior comment above.) I personally am not expecting much new original code coming from Red Flag for a good long time, if this is how they produce a distribution...

[shrug] That's how Mandrake started out, and they've not done too badly in the years following their creation.

The Real Reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049465)

After Win XP, it's clear that it will only get more and more difficult to get a good warez install of a Microsoft OS. (I can't say that I'd like to buy a 1-billion-seat license either...)

Re:more to feed the machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049474)

Consider if any of the other Distros had the resources of an entire gov't behind them.

Wow. I guess you're no Libertarian, are you?

Re:more to feed the machine (1)

fw3 (523647) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049506)

I mean, it says something that the world's largest gov't decided to pick Linux instead of..

China and much of the rest of the world do not have the huge existing investment in existing systems, that coupled with an economy that can less well afford the rates that some software vendors can levy.

GPL? not at all sure about your point? GPL may not even be enforceable in the US let alone China. Presumabley the server code that extends RF's commercial server versions are not opensource .. (like RH) the list prices look pretty steep. And notably there is no price listed on their secured linux. I wonder if that is even available to non-governmental people?

Re:more to feed the machine (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049513)

more to feed the machine that is the chinese government

Don't tell Chinese how to live, we have Bush for that! "American values", t..y m..x, what about Chinese values, whatever they are?

Why “ridiculed?” (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049264)

Why is this so contraversial? Does this perticular distro go through the hands of the Chinese govt or something?

Re:Why “ridiculed?” (3, Insightful)

blkros (304521) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049327)

Why is this so contraversial? Does this perticular distro go through the hands of the Chinese govt or something?
Why yes it does as a matter of fact.
"...certified by the Information-system Product Quality Inspection Center under the Ministry of Public Security of China in June 2001."
From here. [redflag-linux.com]

sob (4, Funny)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049269)

For reasons I couldn't determine, Red Flag was installing slower than Tux on a Sunday evening after gorging himself with fish.

We need better jokes.

Re:sob (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049334)

s/Tux/CowBoiKneel/g;
s/fish/56 pizzas and 1.3 gallons of man cum/g;

Jokes? Or for Real, check this out! (4, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049435)

Wal-Mart offering PC without Windows installed. Story on Cnet/News.Com [com.com] They're testing the waters, because people said they wanted a choice. So go get one and install Red Flag, or whichever other flavor (or even BeOS) on one. I might be interested dependng on how good or bad people say these Microtel PCs are, for a cheap firewall or something.

Disclaimer: I do not work at, nor own, Wal-Mart stock. I just find this fascinating.

Totalitarian Thought Processes (3, Interesting)

nurightshu (517038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049272)

Unlike a Red Hat install, I was never prompted to create a user or set a root password. I had visions of having to crack my own installation to even login. I tentatively typed in root, and wondered if I could guess what a Chinese developer would set as a default password, when I was presented with a root prompt!

That's right, they don't set a root password, and seem to expect users will be running as root right from the start. That's surely not the best way to introduce a newbie into best practices.

ObDisclaimer: This is certainly not intended as flamebait, although it will probably be modded so.

Given the mindset of a totalitarian government -- that is to say, all ideas and possessions are ultimately the property of the oligarchy (or in China's case the gerontocracy) -- doesn't it seem logical that a default install for an OS endorsed by the government to be open to the world by default?

Seriously, if you want to be able to access any system in your nation, and you know the average user doesn't know thing one about security, this sort of tactic would be on page 1 of Information Control for Dummies.

Or this could just be me being paranoid again.

A system without passwords (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049309)

just what every government would want, perfect security from their viewpoint.

right

Re:A system without passwords (3, Insightful)

nurightshu (517038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049342)

What's the old saying? "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide?"

It's a familiar modus operandi (or is it operandus in this case?) for Communist governments. And frankly, I feel vaguely uneasy that the average person is going to associate free software with a nation that jails and tortures people for wanting to go to church, or for saying, "Mao bites his farts!" (With apologies to P.J. O'Rourke.)

Am I the only one who thinks he hears a soft chuckle in Redmond? This isn't exactly the P.R. coup of the century, here.

Re:A system without passwords (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049382)

Why don't you tell me your social security number, or else I call the cops. Is it that you have something illegal to hide? Criminal!

Re:A system without passwords (2, Interesting)

Killio (102774) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049437)

Nope. Modus operandi is the correct singular form. (Modi operandorum would be the plural version) - it translates to mode of operation. The -i is the genetive/possessive/"of" form. Latin's not just taking pseudo-English words and tacking "-us" onto them.

Re:A system without passwords (1)

The Qube (749) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049455)

It's a familiar modus operandi (or is it operandus in this case?) for Communist governments.

For Communist governments only? I don't think so... Or are we a bit hypocritical as usual?

Re:Totalitarian Thought Processes (2, Interesting)

ScepticalTech (559355) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049359)

That's right, they don't set a root password, and seem to expect users will be running as root right from the start.

That sounds like Slackware 3.6 and earlier. Which I liked very very much, actually.

Two words... (2, Funny)

martyb (196687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049388)

That's right, they don't set a root password, and seem to expect users will be running as root right from the start. That's surely not the best way to introduce a newbie into best practices.

Two words: CODE RED!

I'm sorry... (-1, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049282)

but why should I care? I mean really. Although I do get 14 pieces of chinese spam a day and only manage to filter 12 of them because no matter how many strange characters like &#195&#196&#197&#198&#199 I add to my filters they still manage to slip one through, I have no idea what they say, and I dont really care, so why would I wanna install a chinese version of Linux? Please, anyone, this aint japanese Linux ok? There's no cutesy, vaguely manga, geeky reason to install this.

Re:I'm sorry... (3, Interesting)

hyyx (447405) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049314)

You missed the point. There are few reasons for any U.S. citizen to install a chinese version of linux, that's given. The point is that there _is_ a chinese version of linux to install. Another step in the growth of the linux userbase.

Re:I'm sorry... (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049320)

ãÑÍÈÇ !!

Re:I'm sorry... (5, Interesting)

autechre (121980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049340)

I've been thinking about this for a little while...

It's proven a bit difficult to convert the "average Joe Sixpack" Windows user to Linux on the desktop...in the U.S. Windows has taken root here, people generally have enough money, and they've been conditioned by the Big Plastic Machine to accept whatever food/music/television/software they're given, no matter how low the quality. (As someone who likes to cook healthy interesting food, helps run an independant radio station, and advocates free software, I get to be annoyed a lot :)

However, the situation in other countries is different. Maybe the cost of Windows is more of a burden on people. Perhaps they have a reason not to trust closed source software made by American companies. Or computers are just beginning to become really widespread in their country.

In China, their is a distrust of U.S. companies (at the very least by the government), and many people haven't been paying for their Windows (or any other software, music, or movies...). I think that Linux has a much better chance in a place like this, and guess what? They have more people than the U.S. does. A lot more. If Linux is going for world domination, I think that this likely to be the way it succeeds -- in places like China, Mexico, India, etc.

So yes, I like hearing about this sort of thing.

and that's why you downloaded the iso? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049379)

To see yet another linux distribution, this time with chinese language support, because you figure there must be some magic formular in there even though you just adamently explained why it is people arnt using the close source alternative.

Re:I'm sorry... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049500)

hey asshole. i am well aware of my choices in the OS market yet i choose MS . why? because it is the best offered and unlike your hippie ass, i have some taste.

Re:I'm sorry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049511)

Windows is effectively free in China, as the government doesn't recognize intellectual property. Millions of filthy starving peasants don't really care about Microsoft's IP.

one thousand million Linux users, a cool billion (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049293)

Since Red Flag Linux is becoming the official software standard for China,
it is safe to say:
``1000 million Chinese can't be wrong ...''

Re:one thousand million Linux users, a cool billio (1)

xmalenko (127203) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049317)

Perhaps a better slogan would be:

"1000 million Chinese can't choose otherwise"

At least they aren't running TurboLinux *shudder*

Re:one thousand million Linux users, a cool billio (1)

smashin234 (555465) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049319)

Great, 1000 Million Chinese to contend with on the mirrors. Download times are going to hell.. Guess Maybe we should all stay away from this distribution to avoid the traffic jams.

Re:one thousand million Linux users, a cool billio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049490)

> Since Red Flag Linux is becoming the official software standard for China, it is safe to say:

> ``1000 million Chinese can't be wrong ...''

I know it was a joke, but I doubt that 1% of that figure has enough money to buy a computer.

Pissed First (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049305)

????

but what OS will they really use... (1)

I Want GNU! (556631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049326)

Sure, the Chinese Government supports this OS, but do you really think the people will run it? I love linux as much as the next guy, I have a debian machine at home and at work we have linux clusters, but in all honestly I think that the Chinese end user will still go and pirate Windows at the end of the day. I mean, it looks glitzier, and all the other kiddies are using it. Hopefully at least a few of them will learn to love linux though, and so this still will increase the userbase somewhat. Plus, a good part of the government might use it as well in China.

Re:but what OS will they really use... (1)

Daniel Wood (531906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049427)

I see linux gaining a stronger foothold in China now that the gov't is starting to frown upon pirated software. China is the software pirate capital of the world, but that will come to a lesser extent in the next few years.

When you're pirating RedFlag... (1)

KNicolson (147698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049337)

...you're downloading communism! [blackened.net]

Or something... I'm confused...

Re:When you're pirating RedFlag... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049421)

Please do not be so closed minded...communism this, capitalism that...

It is all about making money, and 'wars'... communism/capitalism is just a name people use to distract from the real issues.

Give peace a chance, please don't follow blindly into propaganda. People's lives depend on the truth.

(Sorry if this sounds frank)

Thanks

Re:When you're pirating RedFlag... (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049472)

"It is all about making money" that sounds like capitalism to me :)

Hah! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049339)

Linux commies. Come over to *BSD. Truly free.

You are who you associate yourself with.

Re:Hah! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049400)

Heard on the radio where the Sheriff in Georgia said that *BSD was one of
among the 300 corpses discarded behind the crematorium. Apparently
*BSD wasn't even worth burning.

How big is this? (1)

thetechweenie (60363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049346)

Are they really going to jump all over this? China is one of largest offenders of piracy. Why would they care whether an OS is "free"? I can't see the whole nation switching to this, even though I love linux...

Re:How big is this? (1)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049460)

I think China is starting to see repercussions from their massive pirating, in that many companies are hesitant to release anything in China knowing that it will be on the black market the next day. This translates directly into China lagging behind the rest of the world waiting for us to decide what's in OUR best interest. I think Korea has also shown an interesting side of nationalism, in that they can contribute, and control Linux directly. Not depending on us capitalist bastards for all their software would probably be a big point for China to favor Linux. Windows is a very "western centric" OS, so it seems to me that China could vastly contribute to Linux and make it into something they need, instead of something that someoen thousands of miles away thinks they need.

Ummmm anyone dig on that site? (1)

iNiTiUM (315622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049347)

anyone happen to find this? [redflag-linux.com]

Re:Ummmm anyone dig on that site? (1)

jsprat (442568) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049361)

Find what? Did you mean to link deeper then the homepage?

Re:Ummmm anyone dig on that site? (3, Funny)

iNiTiUM (315622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049371)

errr my mistake this [redflag-linux.com] is the one
not sure if its a good or bad idea considering the no root password on install thing.

Now we can get back at those pirates (5, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049357)

Upload this OS onto every warez site and file sharing network on the Internet. Put it on disks and sell it for $1 at flea markets. Let's see how they like their stuff copied!

(oh wait...)

Puts Microsoft on a sharp edge (1)

Tri0de (182282) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049360)

now they are screwed either way: go after people who pirate Windows and push a big part of the NON Chinese communist chinese speaking community toward Linux, or do nothing and hope that the widespread pirating they had been trying to stifle is now their ONLY hope against an installed user base of 200-1000 million.

Re:Puts Microsoft on a sharp edge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049501)

> now they are screwed either way: go after people who pirate Windows and push a big part of the NON Chinese communist chinese speaking community toward Linux, or do nothing and hope that the widespread pirating they had been trying to stifle is now their ONLY hope against an installed user base of 200-1000 million.

You'd be lucky if 1% of that range can afford to buy a computer in the first place.

You linux (1)

Spackler (223562) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049362)

!!!Hacked By Chinese!!!

ISO (3, Informative)

Ashcrow (469400) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049368)

It looks like the rf24.iso is unreachable via the link provided. I belive that http://ftp.cqu.edu.cn/linux/iso/rf24.iso is the same release.

So out of date? How very odd... (2, Redundant)

PeterClark (324270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049369)

I'm trying to think of why the kernel would be so old, that is 2.4.2. I mean, that's a year old! Plus, an ancient version of _Helix_Code_ GNOME (aka Ximian) is also installed. And while it's a little hard to tell, the KDE screenshot seems in my eyes to be running 2.0, although that's just a guess that would have to be double-checked.


This tells me one of two things: one, the Red Flag people just took a base Red Hat distro (7.0? I run Debian, so I don't know when Red Hat first introduced kernel 2.4.2), s/Hat/Flag, and put it on the web. Two, they started with a Red Hat distro long ago, but took a long time to make whatever modifications they needed to and did not bother to update the kernel and programs. Both scenarios say volumes about the people who work on Red Flag. I mean, there are distros assembled by a handful of people that are more up-to-date than this! What are they doing, reading /. all day?


I would be really interested if someone would do a security audit on this. Does Red Flag call home to Big Brother?


:Peter

Re:So out of date? How very odd... (2)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049403)

Heh, debian potato still comes with a 2.2 kernel. How's that for old? ;)

Personally, though, I doubt the programmers spent much time (if any at all) on the English version. I would imagine that this distro would be a boon to the, oh, billion or so people in the world who speak Chinese. Translating all the manpages, etc, that's probably what took the time. I'd be more interested in a review of the Chinese version by a native Chinese speaker than a review of the English version of a Chinese OS.

Re:So out of date? How very odd... (2, Informative)

cyberon22 (456844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049428)

Presumably they were dealing with language/GUI issues. Anyone who has dealt with Mandarin (simplified or complex) knows that interface issues can be hellish.

Given that, it isn't surprising tho adapt an existing (reliable) distribution rather than build a completely new one. Given that the market for linux in China is NOT english-speaking computer nerds, another reason to build on top of an older version is to avoid the dependency issues that come with the most "cutting-edge" material.

Re:So out of date? How very odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049464)

Uh the latest _non-beta_ version of debian still run's a 2.2 kernel, a prerelease version at that, what is it 2.2.17pre21 or something haha.

The latest non-beta version of debian still have X 3.3.6 *snicker*

Don't bother trying to pass woody or sid off as stable it will just be embarrassing for everyone to read...

Re:So out of date? How very odd... (2)

Tony-A (29931) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049514)

Red Flag 1.something was essentially same as Red Hat 6.1 with some but not all the references to Red Hat changed to Red Flag. There was something that attempted to be a Simplified Chinese desktop.
Red Flag 2.0 had 2.2.16 kernel and a decent Simplified Chinese desktop with enough departure from the stock Red Hat install that I wasn't sure what was going on (I don't read Chinese).
The Simplified Chinese KDE desktop/language support in Red Hat 7.2 likely came from Red Flag.
I'm sure somebody will do a security audit, but I wouldn't expect anything stranger than would be in Red Hat, Mandrake, or SuSE. I would expect them to be pushing the edge to smoothly handle double-byte characters on the desktop.

Will Red Hat sue them for trademark infringement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049370)

:-)

Chinese Lottery systems powered by this? (2, Interesting)

quan74 (451034) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049376)

From the Red Flag Linux home page:
ControLinux finds application in lottery machine's operating system. [redflag-linux.com]

From Roblimo's review of Red Flag:
Unlike a Red Hat install, I was never prompted to create a user or set a root password. I had visions of having to crack my own installation to even log in. I tentatively typed in root, and wondered if I could guess what a Chinese developer would set as a default password, when I was presented with a root prompt!
That's right, they don't set a root password, and seem to expect users will be running as root right from the start.


Hopefully they have better security measures in place on their "other" distributions!

abbreviated version of the review (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049393)

Red Flag Linux is made by Chinese Communists. Open Source software is not communist. The intriguing thing about Red Flag Linux is that it has been packaged specifically to suit the IT needs of the People's Republic of China. I know a little Kanji (which is called Hanzi in Chinese, but I don't know that) because I watch anime, but I'm going to install the English language version, because it seems like the least appropriate but most expedient way to review a Chinese distribution of Linux.

The installer is slow. Incidentally, I'm running it in a VMware window. I wish I knew why the installer is so slow! Now the installer has crashed! I bet I could bring my system back up without rebooting if I knew how.

This looks like Red Hat! I'll poke around in the menus. This looks like Red Hat! I'll use it for another five minutes, and then finalize my opinion. This looks like Red Hat!

Re:abbreviated version of the review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049399)

Incidentally, I'm running it in a VMware window. I wish I knew why the installer is so slow!

Duh!

~~~

Re:abbreviated version of the review (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049459)

Heh. Good summary. It's funny because it's true!

(which is called Hanzi in Chinese, but I don't know that)

Gee, I didn't know that either... But then again, I'm not the jackass reviewing Chinese software! Heehee!

The site looks nice! (2)

tftp (111690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049394)

I don't know how good the software is, and I don't read much of Chinese, but the front page definitely is quite an artistic design! With all those horses and stuff, it is *so different* from western style!

Re:The site looks nice! (1)

vicious_sloth (534928) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049412)

the horses are beucase its chinese new year (feb 12th 2002) and now its the year of the horse.

Point of the review? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049395)

Hes reviewing a Chinese linux distro and hes selected "English". Doesn't anyone else think that might bias the review somewhat? :)

Maybe someone here who can actually read Chinese should review this.

Re:Point of the review? (1)

jacobito (95519) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049425)

I agree. Installing in Chinese really doesn't seem like too much to ask for in a review of a Chinese distro of Linux. Not to be a bastard, but frankly that review seemed pretty half-assed. He installs it in English in a VMware window, barely uses it, then dismisses it.

Just my dumb opinion.

Re:Point of the review? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049508)

> I agree. Installing in Chinese really doesn't seem like too much to ask for in a review of a Chinese distro of Linux. Not to be a bastard, but frankly that review seemed pretty half-assed. He installs it in English in a VMware window, barely uses it, then dismisses it.

You did read the article, right? He installed in the only available language he could read.

Sure, he could've selected Chinese, and then that review would be even shorter than it is now. How well could you use a Mandarin GUI or console?

Horray for the GPL !!! (5, Funny)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049402)

Millions upon millions of communist thugs, all trained with basic kung fu (the equivalent of north americans forced to participate in mandatory gym class) will finally be able to enforce the GPL!!!

With the peasant militia's pitchforks and tractors backed by the ruthless red army, we can get to work decompiling suspect enemy code and send our reports to the great china.

Their leaders will take appropriate action against all GPL dissidents, helping to finally spread the long awaiting Global Stalmanism!

We will bury you!

LONG LIVE AMERICA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049493)

Good job Joe,

Now we can rest assured we have "stabilized" the "enemey", reduced the "foreign threat", to "protect our children" from the "EVIL" "red army."

Uncle SAM will be proud...but not yet. Not until you BLOODY BLOW uP THOST BASTARRDS out of the sky. This is america, where people deserve to be free, freedom!!!! freedom from oppression, but do to that we must "terminate" the "numbers".

Remember they...uh, I mean the "terrorists" are just "threatening" our livelihood to "freedom from high prices produce in NON-SWEAT SHOPS"...

Kill those damn red bastards,

I am Joe America!!!

What a joke (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049406)

This seems to be the shittiest Linux distro I've ever seen.

hmm... (1)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049426)

does the default inital apache install include an index page that says "hacked by chinese?"

Roblimo?!?! (1)

Danborg (62420) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049442)

Why does it say: Roblimo has posted his impressions of the ...
This article was written by some dude named Matt Michie. I thought Roblimo was some guy named Robin Miller. WTF?

Redflag, internet ready microwave oven. (4, Funny)

dsb3 (129585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049454)

The internet ready microwave oven [redflag-linux.com] is well on it's way to going in my shopping cart.

I also like the way the "NEW" icon on their homepage is a hyperlink to ... the NEW icon.

Oh... some other players in this arena.... (2, Interesting)

chip_hk (141132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049473)

I have come up a few other players in this arena, competition is good. of course ;-)

  • Thizlinux [thizlinux.com]
  • Chinese 2000 [sniic.com] , based on Chinese Language Extension, packaged with Hancom Office Suite
  • Chinee Language Extension [linux.org.tw] they patches Red Hat and Slackware! for a Chinese desktop, may be regarded as the "mother" of Chinese localization
  • Turbo linux [turbolinux.com] , don't know what they're doing in Chinese Linux desktop recently

btw, the one reviewed in the newsforge.com is 2.4 desktop. version 3.0 is coming (sorry, no more English and Traditional Chinese installation screens, only Simplified Chinese is available) and I've tried the beta CD, quite OK for normal use but some installation gliches.

Also... a Chinese-enabled desktop is possible (just click "Chinese" during install..) by the normal Debian/Mandrake/RedHat CDs.

So... (-1)

The BOFH Troll (549884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049478)

When is the "Red Fag Linux" distribution coming out?

I am sure the majority of Slashdot editors would bounce to get a copy of that one.

Red Flag Linux (4, Interesting)

Conspire (102879) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049494)

When setting up our office in China last year, we decided to give Red Flag a try, as oppossed to using Mandrake (our new Sysadmin thought it might be easier for staff to learn). The idea appealed to us, because Mandrake requires a lot of tweaking to get Chinese input and display to work correctly. As all new employees had never used anything but Windows, we decided to install four distros on four different boxen and see which one they took to better:

1. Turbo Linux (has good Chinese support out of the box)
2. RedHat linux tweaked to support Chinese input, etc.
3. Mandrake linux tweaked to support Chinese input, etc.
4. RedFlag linux

To cut matters short, all workstations are now running Mandrake 8.1. For applications we are using the latest Chinese build of OpenOffice. Staff seemed to like Mandrake best, and it seemed to be most stable on the desktop. We share printers, disks, scanners, cameras accross the network, and once configured we have a very stable and FREE OS on every single desktop.

RedFlag was just a little too buggy (all gnome and kde config bugs, we did not play with it too long, as Mandrake was stable from install). We have not tried the latest version of Redflag, BUT, I have told our in house IT guys to keep looking at it.

One of our IT guys has been to the RedFlag main development center. It is government funded, but penetration in the Chinese market is low, because one can pick up a pirated copy of Win98 just about on any other street corner for just over 1$. The government is hoping that RedFlag will be a suitable option once they really crack down on piracy, and MS starts to bleed the country for OS and productivity software license fees.

The key for linux on the desktop in China is the same as the rest of the world--productivity applications. C'mon Open Office, we are all cheering for you!

Re:Red Flag Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049517)

Why not try Chinese windows? microsoft spend a lot of time and effort on their localisation and internationalisation

isnt it ironic? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049497)

a communist nation endorses free software

Re:isnt it ironic? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049507)

no, not really.

VMware? (1, Redundant)

fsck! (98098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3049498)

Maybe I just haven't read a lot of distro reviews, but it struck me as odd, even unfair that Roblimo spent so much time whining about VMware crashing. What the heck does that have to do with the quality of the product in question?

"All 2002 model year Toyotas have serious engine problems. Also, I urinated in the gas tanks of all cars tested."

Then he goes on to nmap his virtual machine, then asks what port 1030 is. Before nmap(1), there was netstat(8). Read about it

And timothy, unless I'm mistaken, the article details Matt Michie's impresions, not Roblimo's.

heh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3049520)

wo yao zhongguo de linux. zhi shi bu hao.
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