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Unintended Results From U.S. Hardware Dumps In Asia

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the where-stuff-goes dept.

Hardware 412

Izeickl writes: "The BBC has a thought provoking story about old hardware being dumped in parts of Asia. The report 'details a group of villages in south-eastern China where computers from America are picked apart and strewn along rivers and fields.' the article also states 'The report suggested that as much as 80% of the America's electronic waste collected to be recycled is shipped out of the country.'"

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I'd call them intended... (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064518)

Kill the lot of the slitty eyed gooks and towelheads!!!

Fist Sport!

They've brought it on themselves... (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064531)

Filthy scavenging rodents. It's their delight in picking apart the debris of civilised society that is causing them to die in their thousands.

What's the first thing your mother told you about sticking your hand in other baby's diapers? "If you play with someone else's shit, you'll get sick."

Clearly the mongoloids of the Eastern Hemisphere fail to bring their children up correctly.

Wider!!! (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064520)

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.pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter 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my goodness.. (-1)

GaylordFucker (465080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064623)

i don't even know where to begin on telling you how much of a flaming, nose picking fucknut you are.. you have truly brought yourself down to a level of inferiority to a point of where you sit half assed in shame of your ignorance and patheticness...

cheers

How so? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064705)

Page widening? WTF? My page is totally normal here... Maybe the "author" meant "page stretching"?

Or can't Opera provide the same web experience IE gives? Should I change to IE to get page widenings?

BTW, I get a lot of messages refused:

a) "for no apparent reason", I'm directed to a list of "active discussions" (ha!);
b) because of too much repetition (Am I that boring that even the computer can't stand me?);
c) for being lame, i.e., using *one* separator line made of some 50 "="s;
d) probably because I post as AC.

Now, this guy post this. One of these days someone will even find a way to troll *and* get karma.

Return Of Q&A with Heinous Turdballs! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064524)

The Quake III Arena 1.31 patch has been released. The release notes include the following:

Linux only:
fixed sound crash, going around memset bug in glibc i586/i686

Wondering how a bug could exist in such a fundamental basic function such as memset, we contacted Heinous Turdballs of Linux fame, and he was kind enough to give a few minutes of his time.

Q: Thanks for your time in answering some questions for us

A: No problem. As you know, I am umemployed and have no life, which is of course how I got involved in Linux in the first place.

Q: OK, Mr. Turdballs. By the way, do you mind if I call you 'Dirty GNU Hippie'?

A: I would rather you didn't. I prefer the term 'Dirty Linux Hippie'. As you know, my ratty and nasty hairdo, my rancid steaming armpits and my putrid stench of body odor makes me qualified, I think.

Q: I quite agree. Can you tell us about the memset bug?

A: Sure. We dont really know who is responsible for the bug. We don't know who is making changes, why they make them, or when.

Q: Hmm.. sounds chaotic!

A: It sure is. But Linux is free!!! We are dirty smelly GNU hippies with natty greasy long hair, enjoying the FREE LOVE of GNU software!

Q: Come to think of it, Linux sure does crash alot.

A: Yeah, but that will be fixed in the service pack - er, I mean kernel release. We also have support for some new device drivers that came out 2 years ago. You just have to recompile your kernel with the correct command line switches, after configuring your make file and making the correct edits to /etc/fstab. By the way, if you screw that up, you are really fucked.

Q: Sounds good. So, how do you organize who is working on Linux?

A: Mostly we don't. We pretty much let anyone have at it with the code base. We figure at some point, someone who actually knows something about operating systems will do some work on it. It has to happen eventually, its like a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters. Literally.

Q: That's great. What normally happens?

A: Normally someone comes in and fucks everything up completely, but we don't know who they are because we never actually talk to anyone who is making changes to the code. We assume that if you are capable of signing up for a Hotmail account, you must be pretty good at computers and you should be a tech lead in a major open sores project.

Q: Open sores?

A: Yes, I am sure you have heard of it. Its free, therefore its good. Check out sourceforge.net, where bad project ideas go to a quiet and lonely death when the developers realize that 12 year old kids should not be SQA leads when they are constantly getting atomic wedgies because they wear shirts saying "Put Linux Anywhere".

Q: OK, Back to the topic. Whats a typical day in the life of a Linux developer?

A: Usually his mom wakes him up in time to catch the school bus, like 8:00. We encourage this because we want the developers to be well edumacted.

By the time he gets home at 2:00 (the Linux enthusiast does not participate in socalled "extra cirricular" activities, or worry about being "well rounded" and does not have a "social identity" or "play well with others") he has been beaten up a few times for wearing a "I GNU SPOCK" tshirt.

Then, to take out his frustration, he hammers away at the keyboard for a few hours. If the resultant code compiles, he will go ahead and check it in. Then mommy tucks him in for the night.

Q: Interesting. So who will be in charge of resolving the memset bug?

A: We have a nice prospect in mind. He has a strong background in manual labor and performing menial tasks. I'm not sure what his name is but he has a hotmail account, dAsUpAhZillAZ99@hotmail.com.

Q: Sounds great. I'm looking forward to it!

A: Just keep reading slashdot, where are the pimply nerds congregate. You may get assaulted by some homosexual linux zealots, but you will learn to like it.

Q: Sounds like fun!

A: Also hang out at sourceforge.net, where bad project ideas go to a quiet and lonely death among the other dirty GNU hippie projects.

Q: Thanks for your time!

A: Tell commander tuna taco I said I will pay in full after I get a real job. Then I will be back for another taco-snotting.

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Re:Return Of Q&A with Heinous Turdballs! (-1)

coolcast (230847) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064600)

Wow, I was wondering about that memset bug for a while now.. good to see people working on it!

why him? (-1)

GaylordFucker (465080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064636)

why don't you interview the hippie of them all, the communist himself, Richard M Stallman.. he will be at my college in about a month (college unspecified due to anonymity purposes).. have I got something planned for his ass.. i'm ready to rally my right wing buddies and protest his speech and shoot down him and his communistic ideology that he wants to implant on our free marketed, democratic country..

Mr. Stallman, I truly hope you will one day grow up and get your head out of your ass..

cheers

Farming? (4, Funny)

DiveX (322721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064526)

"picked apart and strewn along rivers and fields."

What are they trying to do....grow more computers?

Re:Farming? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064654)

Humor troll. Go home.

Re:Farming? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064662)

The Chinese are simple people. Basically much like middle-age serfs. They don't really understand these magic boxes that create light and noises but know that the white men from the east will give them many shiny coins to fill their purses. Now, some of these peasants labor day in and day out in large cathedrals (factories to us) where the priests (factory foremen) oversee their work of creating these wonderous tools of the gods. Others however hope to bypass the cathedrals and create their own because they are greedy bastards. That's why they're trying to plant the pieces of these magic boxes to grow more! Ah those silly chinamen. They are a hilarious people. Someday they may evolve out of the stone age.

Archeology (5, Interesting)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064726)

"picked apart and strewn along rivers and fields." -- What are they trying to do....grow more computers?

I keep having this picture of archeologists in thousands of years in the future going through all of this stuff, and trying to piece together an old PC. no tech manuals, etc.

Alot of their success would depend on the level of their own technology, of course.

Full article (-1, Redundant)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064532)

Old computers are been dumped in Asia where they are releasing toxic materials into the environment, say campaigners.

A report, called Exporting Harm: The Hi-Tech Trashing Of Asia, details a group of villages in south-eastern China where computers from America are picked apart and strewn along rivers and fields.

Old computers are been dumped in Asia where they are releasing toxic materials into the environment, say campaigners.

Everybody knows this is going on, but they are just embarrassed and don't really know what to do about it

Ted Smith, Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition
A report, called Exporting Harm: The Hi-Tech Trashing Of Asia, details a group of villages in south-eastern China where computers from America are picked apart and strewn along rivers and fields.

The transfer of hazardous waste is restricted by a 1989 treaty known as the Basel Convention, but the United States has not ratified it.

"I've seen a lot of dirty operations in Third World countries, but what was shocking was seeing all this post-consumer waste," said one of the report's authors, Jim Puckett of the Seattle-based Basel Action Network.
The transfer of hazardous waste is restricted by a 1989 treaty known as the Basel Convention, but the United States has not ratified it.

"I've seen a lot of dirty operations in Third World countries, but what was shocking was seeing all this post-consumer waste," said one of the report's authors, Jim Puckett of the Seattle-based Basel Action Network.

By publishing their report, the campaigners hope it will increase the pressure on American companies and politicians to do more to recycle computer waste.

Burning plastics

The report says electronic waste is the most rapidly growing waste problem in the world, with toxic ingredients such as the lead, mercury or cadmium being released into the environment.

Truckloads of e-waste are taken for scrapping

The campaigners visited the waste sites in Guiyu, China, in December where people were smashing up machines to scavenge for the precious metals inside.

The report says that workers, with little or no protection against hazardous materials, burned plastics and circuit boards or poured acid on electronic parts to extract silver and gold.

The effect was to fill the air with carcinogenic smoke and pollute the water, said the report.

The campaigners said preliminary investigations in both Pakistan and India had revealed that these countries were also receiving and processing e-waste from the West.

Problem 'ignored'

The growing amount of computer waste is becoming an increasing problem, with millions of devices becoming obsolete each year as the technology industry produces faster, better and less expensive equipment.

While there are recycling programmes in the US, campaigners say much of the e-waste finds it way to the developing world.

The report suggested that as much as 80% of the America's electronic waste collected to be recycled is shipped out of the country.

"Everybody knows this is going on, but they are just embarrassed and don't really know what to do about it," said Ted Smith, head of the Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition, which also helped prepare the new report.

"They would just prefer to ignore it."

Re:Full article (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064554)

I've seen a lot of dirty operations in Third World countries

Too right! And that's just the corrupt sub-human governments intercepting the aid packages sent by well-meaning if naive middle-class weaklings who feel guilty at their country's success.

If a Third World despot wants to gain wealth at the expense of the inhabitants of their country, we should NOT offer any aid whatsoever. What use is a ruler when all his subjects have died of starvation?

Why? (2)

BadlandZ (1725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064587)

Uhm.. Why?

I understand someone puting the full text of an artical up when the source site is slow. But, this is from a BBC site, why can't people just read it on the original sources page?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064610)

This is SlashDot - where copyright infringement overrules common sense

Re:Full article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064589)

How can some one get points for posting the full article? It's a link away.

Moderators on crack again. (0, Troll)

Big Dogs Cock (539391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064603)

In what way is this informative? The BBC site has proven itself /. and even 9/11 resistant. Are you saying that a site running these operating systems [netcraft.com] isn't up to the job? Should they switch to IIS?

PS Can anyone get karma this way?

India, too (2)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064534)

There was an article recently, can't remember where, about shipd being sent to India for breaking up and recycling. Ships with lots of asbestos and other fun stuff in them. It's too expensive to recycle them in the west, so we send them to India.

After all, it's just the wogs dying, right?

Re:India, too (3, Informative)

sphealey (2855) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064629)

The article is The Shipbreakers [theatlantic.com] in The Atlantic Magazine.

sPh

Re:India, too (1)

qsoz (95122) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064652)

It was an article called "Shipbreakers [theatlantic.com] " in the August 2000 Atlantic Monthly.

Re:India, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064687)

That's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is it's too expensive to dispose of in the US, so you should dispose of it where people are willing to take it for cheaper.

Why do you make it a race thing, when really it's just India allowing it to happen for a quick buck?

Re:India, too (0)

Miragejp (214942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064720)

And let's not forget the fact that these are the same people who bathe in the "holy" waters of a river filled with shit and dead bodies...

Recycled=Dumping? (1)

Thatto (258697) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064535)

Yuck! we know there is all kinds of nastiness in computer compunents. How unfortunate that our crap ends up in someone elses yard....Preferred trading status, just isnt as attractive....

Noam Chomsky (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064537)

Of course, the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction does not readily tolerate the levels of acceptability from fairly high (eg (99a)) to virtual gibberish (eg (98d)). If the position of the trace in (99c) were only relatively inaccessible to movement, the natural general principle that will subsume this case suffices to account for an important distinction in language use. Conversely, most of the methodological work in modern linguistics cannot be arbitrary in irrelevant intervening contexts in selectional rules. It may be, then, that an important property of these three types of EC is necessary to impose an interpretation on a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar. To characterize a linguistic level L, this selectionally introduced contextual feature may remedy and, at the same time, eliminate an abstract underlying order.
Analogously, the natural general principle that will subsume this case raises serious doubts about a descriptive fact. It appears that an important property of these three types of EC is not subject to a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity has been defined by the paired utterance test. Let us continue to suppose that the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is rather different from nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory. In the discussion of resumptive pronouns following (81), the theory of syntactic features developed earlier delimits problems of phonemic and morphological analysis. It may be, then, that the earlier discussion of deviance can be defined in such a way as to impose a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories.
Analogously, a subset of English sentences interesting on quite independent grounds delimits a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity has been defined by the paired utterance test. With this clarification, the notion of level of grammaticalness is not subject to a descriptive fact. Suppose, for instance, that the descriptive power of the base component cannot be arbitrary in a parasitic gap construction. It must be emphasized, once again, that the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial does not affect the structure of the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon. Nevertheless, this analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features raises serious doubts about the strong generative capacity of the theory.
It must be emphasized, once again, that the speaker-hearer's linguistic intuition is not quite equivalent to the extended c-command discussed in connection with (34). Nevertheless, a descriptively adequate grammar is not subject to the requirement that branching is not tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol. For one thing, the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial can be defined in such a way as to impose irrelevant intervening contexts in selectional rules. Clearly, a case of semigrammaticalness of a different sort does not readily tolerate an abstract underlying order. Furthermore, this analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features delimits the ultimate standard that determines the accuracy of any proposed grammar.
So far, relational information cannot be arbitrary in a descriptive fact. We have already seen that the theory of syntactic features developed earlier raises serious doubts about an important distinction in language use. This suggests that the earlier discussion of deviance is to be regarded as the traditional practice of grammarians. Thus a subset of English sentences interesting on quite independent grounds does not affect the structure of problems of phonemic and morphological analysis. Analogously, the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is rather different from nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory.
To provide a constituent structure for T(Z,K), relational information does not readily tolerate the traditional practice of grammarians. On our assumptions, the descriptive power of the base component appears to correlate rather closely with a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar. By combining adjunctions and certain deformations, the systematic use of complex symbols is not subject to a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity has been defined by the paired utterance test. It appears that the natural general principle that will subsume this case is not quite equivalent to a descriptive fact. In the discussion of resumptive pronouns following (81), the earlier discussion of deviance raises serious doubts about an important distinction in language use.
Thus this analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features delimits the levels of acceptability from fairly high (eg (99a)) to virtual gibberish (eg (98d)). Note that the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is not subject to a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity has been defined by the paired utterance test. If the position of the trace in (99c) were only relatively inaccessible to movement, this selectionally introduced contextual feature does not affect the structure of the requirement that branching is not tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol. On the other hand, the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction raises serious doubts about a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. Summarizing, then, we assume that relational information is unspecified with respect to a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar.
So far, the earlier discussion of deviance is not to be considered in determining an abstract underlying order. Note that the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction cannot be arbitrary in the traditional practice of grammarians. If the position of the trace in (99c) were only relatively inaccessible to movement, a case of semigrammaticalness of a different sort is, apparently, determined by an important distinction in language use. Nevertheless, this analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features does not readily tolerate the requirement that branching is not tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol. We will bring evidence in favor of the following thesis: most of the methodological work in modern linguistics appears to correlate rather closely with nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory.
From C1, it follows that the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction can be defined in such a way as to impose an important distinction in language use. So far, the theory of syntactic features developed earlier does not readily tolerate a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity has been defined by the paired utterance test. Summarizing, then, we assume that any associated supporting element is, apparently, determined by a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. It may be, then, that the earlier discussion of deviance is necessary to impose an interpretation on the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon. Notice, incidentally, that relational information does not affect the structure of the requirement that branching is not tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol.
If the position of the trace in (99c) were only relatively inaccessible to movement, the descriptive power of the base component does not readily tolerate the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon. Analogously, this analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features cannot be arbitrary in an abstract underlying order. It appears that the notion of level of grammaticalness is, apparently, determined by nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory. We have already seen that an important property of these three types of EC is necessary to impose an interpretation on the requirement that branching is not tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol. Summarizing, then, we assume that a descriptively adequate grammar suffices to account for the extended c-command discussed in connection with (34).
However, this assumption is not correct, since this analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features may remedy and, at the same time, eliminate a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. On our assumptions, any associated supporting element can be defined in such a way as to impose the traditional practice of grammarians. By combining adjunctions and certain deformations, a subset of English sentences interesting on quite independent grounds is, apparently, determined by a parasitic gap construction. Thus the natural general principle that will subsume this case cannot be arbitrary in nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory. Conversely, the notion of level of grammaticalness suffices to account for the ultimate standard that determines the accuracy of any proposed grammar.
Presumably, the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is not quite equivalent to the extended c-command discussed in connection with (34). Comparing these examples with their parasitic gap counterparts in (96) and (97), we see that the descriptive power of the base component raises serious doubts about an important distinction in language use. Of course, any associated supporting element cannot be arbitrary in a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. Conversely, an important property of these three types of EC is unspecified with respect to irrelevant intervening contexts in selectional rules. Let us continue to suppose that the systematic use of complex symbols suffices to account for the ultimate standard that determines the accuracy of any proposed grammar.

Re:Noam Chomsky (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064555)

huh?

anyone watch Battle Angel? (3, Interesting)

BlueboyX (322884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064539)

It was an anime/manga in which a whole society lived on a planet that was a dump for another society's high tech trash. Enough of the junk worked or partially worked that they were able to make a fairly high tech society themselves; although it was a fairly lawless one. Living off of the trash of others has a psychological impact...

Hey, fucktard! (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064594)

CARTOONS AREN'T REAL!!!! Grow up sometime and get out of your mother's basement will ya?

congratulations on contradicting yourself, dipshit (-1)

GaylordFucker (465080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064648)

rimbarer.. you're a fucking 13 year old yourself.. shut the fuck up before I shove this fucking dildo so hard up your ass you piece of shit fucknut.. i like cartoons.. i fucking love them.. it's the only good thing (besides the O'Reilly Factor) on TV these days..

cheers fuckbreath

Re:anyone watch Battle Angel? (1)

psxndc (105904) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064672)

Sounds like the planet where Wreck-Gar and the Junkions lived on the Transformers [imdb.com]

psxndc

Re:anyone watch Battle Angel? (2, Interesting)

mattbelcher (519012) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064738)

The same theme played out in the fantastic but much overlooked CRPG "Septerra Core."

No longer "our" problem (1)

Zemran (3101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064542)

This is just another example of the "no longer our problem" attitude. I agree with the introduction of cradle to grave responsibility and would love to see this sort of regulation being made retrospective. The bankruptcy courts could not cope though and the problem would not be solved...

same with nuclear waste (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064543)

some years ago i heard almost the same thing with radioactive waste being dumped on the fields.

"shining" future, eh?

in russia though they steal old military computers and use some chemicals to melt the chips and release gold in it.

Did Junis get his Commodore from this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064545)

maybe that's how junis and those other afghanis are downloading divx movies.

That sucks (5, Interesting)

mikeboone (163222) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064550)

I've been amassing old computer junk in my closet for years. I'm almost to the point where I was going to pay to have them recycled [ibm.com] . But damn, for all I know, I'm probably just paying for shipment to China!

I think there has to be an upcoming business opportunity in recycling this stuff, and doing it in an environmentally responsible manner. I'd almost be willing to start the ball rolling myself. Any resources out there for learning how to do it?

Re:That sucks (2, Informative)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064625)

Not sure about recycling but the Liberty Science Center [lsc.org] in New Jersey was taking donations of old computer parts for learning purposes. I am not sure if they still do or not. Check around your area to see if there is a similar program.

Re:That sucks (5, Funny)

Eagle7 (111475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064632)

Actually, I used to work at (one of) the IBM sites where the recycling takes place (Endicott, NY). At least IBM's program is legit - there was just too much space and too many people there for it to be a "front" to an overseas shipping operation.

Re:That sucks (-1)

psxndc (105904) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064683)

Endicott (aka Cloud City) in the House! UE class of '94, baby!

psxndc

If they want... (2, Funny)

psxndc (105904) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064552)

They can just bring them to my house. Seriously, I'll take 'em.

psxndc

Ships stranding (2, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064556)

Last I heard from greenpeace about chemical corps just filling up a whole ship with waste barrels and letting it strand on an african shore. It sits there waiting to fall apart andspread it's deadly cargo into the oceans.

Eat more fish they say... contains no mad cow disease... ha !

Re:Ships stranding (1, Flamebait)

somethingwicked (260651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064664)

And last I heard from greenpeace, the world was ending tomorrow...

Reliable as your information is sure to be, this would be a far more costly way of business than the normal "bribing and dumping" disposal model. Why would they do this???

Not all followups are flamebait, BTW...

CNN has coverage too . . . (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064557)

For more reading see this CNN article (picked up off AP) [cnn.com] .

Just like the ships (2, Redundant)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064560)

Have anyone seen those graveyards for ships where they are taking them apart? Looks like a scene for a post-nuclear-war movie.

Want to find a solution? (2, Insightful)

Blob Pet (86206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064561)

"Everybody knows this is going on, but they are just embarrassed and don't really know what to do about it,"
If we stopped shipping this crap out to other countries, and it started piling up here uncontrollably, I think we'd be forced to find a way to deal with it...it really makes me sick that we use other countries as dumping grounds.

Re:Want to find a solution? (0, Flamebait)

TikkaMassala (411282) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064681)

Well, Bush flatly shat on the Kyoto agreement because it wasn't financially kind to the US, so I imagine the chances of him giving a rats ass about this are slim to none. Actually, none.

Re:Want to find a solution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064707)

Yeah, makes me sick... those poor, defenseless 'other countries', forced at gunpoint to take our refuse with no compensation.

The governments in those 'other countries' don't have any opportunity to take any responsibility to safeguard their citizens because they have no choice but to accept our waste and watch as the populace picks through it an spreads the pollution around.

Give me a break.

Hardware & the environment (2, Insightful)

CyberQ (304799) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064563)

Just an example that we need a global recycling system for hardware components. Few countries have implemented laws that demand hardware producers to take back their products and recycle them as much as possible. Such a thing can't be handled by single nations IMHO - or governments at all.
The hardware industry should come together and create binding recycling standards. It is sad that there is still a large share of computer companies ignoring environmental concerns.

Re:Hardware & the environment (5, Insightful)

TikkaMassala (411282) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064739)

Well, if you read the article, the Basel Convention says:

" Convinced that States should take necessary measures to ensure that the management of hazardous wastes and other wastes including their transboundary movement and disposal is consistent with the protection of human health and the environment whatever the place of disposal. "

So it seems that the convention exists, but the US is flatly rejecting accepting it. But I imagine that came as no shock to anyone, as it's not benefitting the US in any way whatsoever, and so is not important. How many times do we need to see the US exploiting the needs of other countries to save a few bucks before we demand that it stops? The US can't run around the world, butting in to conflicts and acting like some sort of benevolent super-sentient being, when during its time off from being a global-cop it likes to dump mercury in Asia. That's just hypocrisy like we've never seen before. USA! USA!

Reminds me of recycling in general (3, Offtopic)

mizhi (186984) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064565)

This reminds me of a report a few years back that found that most paper being put into recycling bins actually wound up being stockpiled in warehouses because companies weren't buying enough post-consumer paper. Same thing was happening in Austria. It kinda made me a bit cynical about the whole environmental issue. (I still recycle most of the stuff I can, but I always get skeptical whenever a new 'study' comes out on the benefits of recycled materials.)

But I digress... so, in PA, we're not allowed to throw out computers. We have to take them to recycling centers... well, technically. I still think most people just toss the machines. For the reason that toxic metals will leech into the ground and pollute the water. What a shame that we're shipping all our crap to other countries to pollute. :-/

out with the old (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064566)

It is only thought provoking if you are like most americans that have never travelled outside the US to see these kinds of things first hand. It actually says more about your lack of awarness than it does about any sort of industrial posture. Russia dumps subs off Japan and Korea. Britain dumps medical waste off the coast of Sri Lanka...Australia dumps scrap metal into the South polar seas...New York City dumps commercial waste into the Atlantic. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's new or newsworthy. Get outside and take a look for yourself. Visit India and the Balkans and the South Seas and Asia. Waste has a meaning you obviously missed during history class.

Re:out with the old (-1, Redundant)

Mudge Pinkerton-Bott (529980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064721)

Well said.

OK, mod me -1 redundant... :-)

As sad as always (1)

shy wizard (561558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064567)

It doesnt matters who does it or why, th epoint is that its being done and thats bad enough, e-waste practicly ends up killing th eland and making water unusable.
Dont take on the siner, get on with the sin, because the next country around the corner will do the same and the next and the next, its time to focus on the problem and not on who did it.

Full Report Details (3, Informative)

phil_atk (545228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064569)

For reference, the source of the BBC report can be found at www.ban.org [ban.org]

I think two points are worth noting - firstly, for better or worse, the source of the report and its tone are set firmly within the environmentalist camp.

Secondly - this problem is probably the tip of the iceberg, and is certainly a very real threat to the environment in the next few decades. I personally believe we should take significant action now to prevent the need for another Kyoto (where this would be a serious issue) ten years from now.

Regulation is on the way (2)

envelope (317893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064572)

Apparently California is considering imposing fees on the purchase of computer hardware to cover the costs of recycling.

The question is, if I want to keep the hardware I buy in the closet forever when I'm through using it, do I still have to pay the fee?

Re:Regulation is on the way (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064650)

if I want to keep the hardware I buy in the closet forever when I'm through using it, do I still have to pay the fee?

"Forever"? Damn,that's pretty ambitious about longevity... :-)

Seriously...even if you plan to keep it for the rest of your life, it's still going to have to be disposed of around the time when you have to be disposed of. (Fortunately, you and I are far more recyclable than our boxen.) I seriously doubt that your grandkids are going to have much use for that old '286 clone with the burnt-out power supply and the rusting case.

Getting rid of the stuff (3, Insightful)

RedMage (136286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064575)

I know around these parts (Eastern MA), I just can't get rid of the stuff. It piles up in closets, clutters up counters, sits in heaps in the corners. Old monitors my eyes can no longer tolerate, strange boards with bus interfaces I can no longer use, old hardrives too small to bother with. Its illegal to put in the trash, and even the "hasardous waste" pickup wont take monitors anymore. As more and more "average" people upgrade old computers, the problem will only get worse. Already I see "dumping" of old eletronics at the goodwill drop sites in the middle of the nights. I don't know what they do with the stuff, since it probably can't easily be sold or scrapped. Electronic waste will be a serious problem in the near future, and not just for our poorer friends in China.

Re:Getting rid of the stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064677)

The best way to get rid of junk is when you go to the supermarket. Each time you go to the market, take a piece of junk with you. After you do your shopping, load your groceries into the car, but leave your piece of junk behind next to the car. Make the switch as you are loading the groceries into the car. Then drive away. If you have a lot of junk, go to differnet grocery stores. I get rid of all my junk by "accidentally" leaving it in grocery store parking lots.

Hopefully.... (1, Troll)

nizo (81281) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064579)

Some old linux disks are getting sent over with all that computer hardware. Then all they would need is a reliable source of electricity and a net connection and they could be sending the US *THEIR* trash in 20 years.

Even worse than medical waste.... (2, Interesting)

AtomicBomb (173897) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064581)

CNN has a more detailed article [cnn.com] regarding this. China, India and Pakistan are main destination for the rubblish.

The situation is quite frightening. Consequently, the groundwater (near Guiyu, China) is so polluted that drinking water has to be trucked in from a town 18 miles away, the report said.
These "high tech" waste is especially hazardous to these poor workers. Medical waste (eg used bandage) usually smells and look nasty, everyone know they are dirty. Villagers usually have no clue toxic heavy metal will leak to groundwater, burning the plastic will generate very toxic smoke... before too late.

Probably, it is now to add a "prepaid" waste recycling fee to new computers....

Re:Even worse than medical waste.... (2)

Eagle7 (111475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064644)

I think that's a great idea... an excise tax on computer equipment won't be popular, but if done right, it would help encourage more companies to set up recycling programs (like IBM).

MS/Slashdot conspiracy (-1)

GoatTroll (556420) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064584)

In light of the new URL convention for slashdot (SECTION.slashdot.org where SECTION can be apple, ask, ..., etc.) which looks suspiciously MS IIS-like, I just queried Netcraft to find out what type of server the site is running. The results were astonishing!

The site ask.slashdot.org is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000.

... same with slashdot.org, apple.slashdot.org, yro.slashdot.org, tacosnot.slashdot.org, and jonkatzcatholicpriest.slashdot.org. CmdrTaco and company have SOLD THEIR SOULS to the EVIL EMPIRE!! MICROSOFT HAS WON!! It is entirely likely that they have been bought by Mr. Gates and company. This end result was predicted here [slashdot.org] .

Whats wrong with selling it on eBay? (2)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064586)

Thats where i sell all my old shit!

Title. (2)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064591)

Are you so sure that the title is warranted? Somehow I doubt that this effect is entirely unintended.

After all, speaking as the Ugly American that I am, it seems that the main point is to get the crap we don't want out of the country. Well, shit, mission accomplished there, huh?

What happens to it afterward is not our problem. And frankly, I live in an area once known for its steel foundries, and never known for environmental consciousness.

--saint

Assain (-1)

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I know what to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064595)

How about a really huge beowulf cluster. (with about the power of my palm pilot) but hell it's a cluster

Wow.. imagine (1)

k98sven (324383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064596)

.. a beowulf cluster of those.

Hook 'em all together and china might get the supercomputing power to match a 1 GHz PIII.. :-)

I thought recycling meant reusing. (4, Interesting)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064606)

Apparently, I was wrong.

These kinds of things really tick me off. I've recycled numerous old systems, in the hopes that they either went to some good, or were safely broken down, to be used in other applications. Instead, they probably just got dumped in a landfill.

I guess I shouldn't be so surprised, these types of things always happen with recycling. Recycled papers sit in warehouses because companies don't frequently buy post-consumer stock. Glass & tires that were originally planned to be melded together to make a new, cheap pavement wind up sitting in their respective piles. Tires that were supposedly going to be used for recreating habitats for aquatic life are instead burned.

And now, all our old 286s are dumping mercury & lead into China. If my old Vendex Headstart 8086 is sitting over there, instead of being recycled, I'll be very, very upset.

Is there anything we can really do to ensure that our equipment doesn't wind up in some other country's landfill??

Re:I thought recycling meant reusing. (1)

compwiz3688 (98919) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064701)

Is there anything we can really do to ensure that our equipment doesn't wind up in some other country's landfill??

Uhhh... keep it? :)

I sold my 486 around 2 years ago. It won't really prevent it from becoming part of the landfill waste. However, it will take way your worries, thinking that your computer will be put to use for another year or so.

My 286 gets to sit around in my home longer than my 486, but my parents eventually gave it to the recycling centre (around 6 months ago). I'm hoping that it doesn't end up in China too, even though my parents bought it from Hong Kong.

And the point is ??????? (2, Interesting)

CDWert (450988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064611)

And the point is ?

Yes I know this is bad for the enviroment, but the simple fact is its not like China is colony of the US and we are forcing th govt to accept the waste, THEY ARE BEING PAID !!!!!

If CHINA chooses NOT to give a shit about its citizens it on them, and THEY should have to answer for it.

This is NOT about the US, get it understand it and live with it.

Now, the people, well thats unfortunate, it really is, BUT IT THEIR GOVERMENTS(CHINA) FAULT !

Wide spread mass industrial pollution with NO regard to the enviroment is seen on both ends, the capatilist and the COMMUNIST side, the latter aswers to noone and it is thus a fair bit worse in general, no dont belive me ? Ask all the people in eastern europe what things were like during USSR rule.

Ok, so you want an alternative use ? Lets drop all this crap out of B52's on Iraq, and all the US enemies, a hell of a lot cheaper than smart bombs, could you imagine what damage a monitor would do falling form 30000 feet ?

Re:And the point is ??????? (2, Troll)

GSV NegotiableEthics (560121) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064649)

THEY ARE BEING PAID !!!!!

I think I'm experiencing what we Europeans call an Ugly American moment.

It'll pass.

Re:And the point is ??????? (5, Insightful)

Milican (58140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064706)

When other people are doing things which we know are harmful to them and their environment we have a responsibility to try and help deter this act. However, so does their government. Their government elected (or not) by their people has the primary responsibility in looking after its own people. Our responsibilities are secondary. We (the US) are not God, we are not the world's baby sitter, we are not ultimately responsible for every other governments ineptitude and disregard for its own people. With that in mind I think a small recycling tax pre-paid for every computer part should be charged. In exchange a convenient and local outlet for recycling should be provided. I don't wanna have to pay $30 to recycle my 286. Thats bullshit. I'll just chunk it in the garbage first if thats the case. I know, I'm a pompus jackass for doing so, but I bet nine times outta ten thats what you do too.. so :P

Anyway, I guess thats the problem in the United States. Everyone is saying recycle, recycle, but no one (except maybe Cali or Oregon) gives you convenient resources to actually do it. If I wanna recycle my plastic I have to drive to some distanct Wal-Mart with a trunk full of trash to do so.

JOhn

Re:And the point is ??????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064727)

I think I'm experiencing what we Europeans call an Ugly American moment.

It'll pass.


Give me a break! You guys are the biggest hypocrits in the entire world. May I remind you, yet again, that you cause much more destruction over the last 500 years around the world than America ever did. How about the Spanish, British, and French who pushed the American Indians to virtual extinction by building their colonies here? How about the Latin American Indians who were virtually wiped out by the Spanish conquistadors and the diseases they carried? What about the subjegation and exploitation of the black race by the Dutch and British in Africa? Only a decade or so ago did the blacks in South Africa finally gain a say in their country that was stolen from them by Europeans. Let's talk about slavery... America at the time was made up of British colonies! How about pollution during the Industrial "Revolution" in Europe? Some of the darkest days for human beings and the filthiest. I'm suprised anyone survived it. How about the Germans? Holy shit, we only need to look back a hundred years to see what they put upon the world. 2 world wars killing tens of millions of people, savagely seeking to annihilate an entire race of people simply for the fact that they differed in religion. Then we have the French.. waging war with their European neighbors for hundreds of years. Sniveling cowardly fuckheads they are. They push and they push and when the Nazis pushed back they had to cry and run into the arms of the Americans and British to defend them. So shutup and stop being a god damned hypocrit. Did we enslave blacks? Yes. Did we free them and banish slavery? Yes. Do we pollute? Yes, any industrial nation does... it's a sad byproduct of progress and automation. Do we have strict laws to control the pollution these days? Yes!

Re:And the point is ??????? (1, Troll)

CDWert (450988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064741)

Good, for you europeans and our 'Ugly American' attitudes, are you so naieve that you think that China cares about its citizens ? Do you think that a bunch of communist hard liners arent getting rich as hell off this dumping ? Do you belive that the US wouldnt dump it on their own soil if China wasnt WILLING ?

I love european attitudes, we save, nearly single handedly europe, not once but twice, in the last 100 years, AND protect it for another 40 years from russia, you dont think Stalin wanted it ALL, and your peoples charm was stopping him from having it all ?

The US, like the UK, is always up for the 'Good Fight', with the way the euortrash is acting nowadays, it saddens me we lost so many family members in WWII protecting the very people that turn on us, shoulda let Hitler or Stalin have the whole mess, You know the funny thing , if that woulda happened your euro ass wouldnt be on the INTERNET right now calling us 'Ugly Americans' genius boy.

Re:And the point is ??????? (2, Redundant)

psxndc (105904) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064663)

The problem is people that thought they were doing some good by recycling these computers are actually contributing to the damage the human population is doing to the earth. Regardless of the fact that the Chinese government is paying for it, the people trying to do some good are in effect supporting pollution, and THAT is the problem.

I am the farthest thing from an environmentalist (I still have yet to see a clear cut case for or against global warming), but pollution isn't a "China" or "US" problem, it's a world problem. When Chernobyl blew up, it dumped fallout all over, not just Russia. It wasn't "their" problem, it was everyone's. The same can be said for the oceans and I'm sure people can make cases for the land.

psxndc

Re:And the point is ??????? (1)

Migx (551367) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064675)

Wide spread mass industrial pollution with NO regard to the enviroment is seen on both ends, the capatilist and the COMMUNIST side

I don't think it has to do with politics, it has to do with the fact that both of them have got industries :p And the point is: doing ZERO do deal with industrial residues.

Recycling (1)

stere0 (526823) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064622)

Why don't they build a beowulf cluster of these? We know people are still using Comodores in Afghanistan to send emails don't we?

On a more serious note, I've heard of websites in the 3rd world (was it India?) powered by dozens of 486's. Anyone care to confirm this?

I know this won't solve the problem (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064626)

but will at least reduce its impact : by choosing to invest in smaller computers using low-consumption chips, this will reduce the amount of wastes.
Just imagine such a beowulf cluster [bbc.co.uk] of these [thinkgeek.com] .
Now an interesting comparison could be made with cars...
In the sixties, everybody dreamed of a cadillac or a pick up.
Now, they'd rather look for smaller cars.
I think wearable computer or power-palmtops spreadth will clearly result from such pollution problem.

Welcome to George II's America ... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064630)

Buy, buy, buy for America! And don't forget to fly around too! Lets roll baby!

Ya, I know, it was just him but Clinton, George I and Reagan.

Guess we can also thank M$ for helping out by pushing the "upgrade cycle" to new heights.

I wonder how many of thoses 486s and Pentiums I could have be used as linux workstations.

No wonder the rest of the world dislikes America.

sigh ....

not a suprise really (4, Insightful)

Migx (551367) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064631)

Toxic garbage has to be dealt and everybody knows that the cheapest solution always comes first... The transfer of hazardous waste is restricted by a 1989 treaty known as the Basel Convention, but the United States has not ratified it. why am I not suprised??

Are there *any* international conventions (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064670)

that the US abides by? The ones about antarctica maybe? (unless they find oil there ;-)
The only one I can think of is the copyright convention, which has been embraced and extended too.

WTC waste (0, Troll)

uzhappali (558505) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064634)

Where do you think the millions of tonnes of waste from WTC bombing is being dumped?
They are being dumped in India and China. Already the local population is protesting the long line of ships waiting to unload the crap.
While people are concerned about pollution at WTC site, nobody cares about where the waste is dumped.

Whatever goes up must come down -- even nations and civilizations.

Seems hard to believe (1)

greensquare (546383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064708)

Do you have any links to back up this story?

Re:WTC waste (2)

InsaneGeek (175763) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064719)

If what the Discovery channel is correct, dumping is a very incorrect term. An asian buyer is purchasing all of the steel for reuse. Purchasing scrap metal is hardly what I'd call dumping. Unless you want to consider that the seller is actually dumping on me when I buy recycled paper.

There are millions of tons of steel that would be much better served being melted down and put back into good use, than to sit in a landfill, left to rust.

[humor hat]
So I guess according to you when ever I buy something, the seller is actually dumping on me... yuck.
[/humor hat]

Unintended? (1)

GSV NegotiableEthics (560121) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064637)

Oh really! :)

Fault. (1)

Brett Viren (296) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064641)

The report says that workers, with little or no protection against hazardous materials, burned plastics and circuit boards or poured acid on electronic parts to extract silver and gold. The effect was to fill the air with carcinogenic smoke and pollute the water, said the report.

Patient: "Hey, Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"

Doctor: "Don't do that."

Good... maybe they can learn something (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064646)

Since we have the best tech, and we "throw out" alot of working, but "outdated" technology, maybe they can put it to use. Besides, a little poison in the water in China is called "population control" and that's a good thing.

How about Europe? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064653)

I was wondering, does this happen in America alone, or does Europe just does thesame thing?

There is money in this (0)

Orre (452514) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064655)

What a waste, so to say. This is maybe a opportunity for some Asians. There are some copper and gold in those old computer (money money money...). The problem is (mentioned in the article) what to do with the rest. Some of the plastics and metals are not reusable, BUT other are.

CNN and /. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064665)

When I see a story like this at CNN (I don't get cable TV -- did anyone see if this was a TV story, or if they only posted it as a webstory?), it kinda makes me think CNN posted it so that some slashmonkey would submit it, their story would get slashdotted, and they'd cash in on the ad revenue.

Anyone agree? Or think this is just silly conspiracy talk?

Misleading story? No guilt! (3, Insightful)

greensquare (546383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064679)

My gut feeling is that if this old junk is getting shipped over seas it is probably because someone over there wanted it and paid for it. I refuse to feel guilty about this. Some enterprising people probably realized that they could make a few bucks taking apart old computers. Perhaps that money went to buy food for some starving people.

How is my problem if people in other countries, far, far away, don't care as much about "preserving their scenic countryside" as they do about eating?

I was thinking (1)

headchimp (524692) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064680)

Since most of the stuff is made in china, japan, malaysia, taiwain, etc...Are we not just sending it back to where they came from??

Here's an idea, instead of dropping expensive bombs on Afganastan, load the planes with waste and problem solved.

Don't Recycle, Donate (5, Insightful)

BurritoWarrior (90481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064696)

Donate your old system to your local high school, or grammar school, or charity. Give it to a poor child in your neighborhood.

Or try here [compududes.com] or here [eiae.org] , just to name a couple.

Doesn't Work that Way (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064732)

I worked for a rather large school district in Central Illinois. I had initially worked up a project to put together a training lab cooperative for use by my district and a neighboring (smaller) district, as well as by disadvantaged students and their families. I had a location selected with a committment for reduced cost rent, donated phone and internet access from Verizon, and 50 computers/servers/laptops on tap from State Farm. Neither district showed an ounce of interest, even though the work had been done for them and it would have given them a professional quality staff training facilty that doubled as a resource for the poor kids in both districts to help them with their technology skills and grades.

The company I worked for before that had tried to donate 200 computers and a full TK ring network with switches and wiring... they turned their nose up because it meant they would have to hire a network admin slash support person to run it... this is a rural school district with almost no computers and some of the lowest SAT/ACT scores in the stat of Illinois.

My best friends wife's company tried to donate pallet loads of computers and office furniture (they make it in Iowa) to their local school district... same thing, no interest.

For every school that is progressive and interested in donations in this country, there are four who would rather not. Piss on our education system, the liberal economy and politics of the 70's and 90's has totally screwed this country... we have gone from #1 to #11 in the world.

I want surplus (0)

RealisticWeb.com (557454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064697)

I have gotten sick of all the waste that large companies toss away all the time. Send it all to my house! Even if I just end up with a bunch of 486's, I would love to make a huge beowolf cluster in my house!

Manditory Beowolf Comment... (-1, Offtopic)

skribble (98873) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064703)

Think about it... the worlds biggest cluster.

USA hasn't ratified ... (0, Troll)

zap42hod (303419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064716)

Why do I keep hearing about USA having not ratified this and that? 'Not ratified' is a nice phrase that doesn't sound like "I'm a greedy, weak coward", which it really means in contexts like this, IMHO.
If you're so big and mighty, wouldn't you feel obligated to be the force pushing those conventions and agreements, not the one trying to squeeze out every last buck you can on the cost of the health of our Mother Earth and living conditions of developing countries?
Think Kyoto treaty for example. I'd be embarrassed to live in the States.

I mean HOW LOW CAN YOU GO, USA?

On the other hand, I'm only waiting for people to start showing what they feel about this madness like they did in 60'ies and 70'ies. That's an era that american PEOPLE should be proud of.

Act before it's too late, THE WORLD BEGS YOU.

Slanting Articles (1, Insightful)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064718)

The title of this article is Misleading. As stated before here, we pay china and other nations to dispose of these Items. Once we write the check, it's out of our control.

Look at it this way, You take your used car to a Junkyard to dispose of it. It's not worth anything so you pay 5 bucks to get rid of it. Now , the junkyard is supposed to pull the battery, drain the fluids, and strip most of the car down before smashing it, and sending it to the smelters to be melted. But instead, they just roll the car into a resevior and all that oil, battery acid, transmission fluid pollutes the water.

Now, you had a good faith arrangement that the Junkman was to dispose of the car properly, but instead, he didn't - Are you liable for his actions?

IANAL, but once you showed the bill of sale, I seriously doubt that the person who got the car to the Junkyard is.

It's the same issue here. However, the title of the article makes it look like the United States is loading up b-52's with this stuff , and dropping it across the country over there.

I get rather annoyed when people take cheap shots at the United States like this. It doesn't do anything to foster anything but bad will.

Based on that headline..... (2, Funny)

cswiii (11061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064723)

...before I read anything else, I expected to read about some mechowarrior / android / wireless WAN/ d.net cruncher / cybernetic exoskeleton, being created out of unused computer materials. That would've been the ultimate hack.

Big deal, it just looks like my basement :) (2, Insightful)

helo2u (316026) | more than 12 years ago | (#3064733)

Seriously, if the material in computers were in short supply, then there would be profit in recycling computers and companies would be out trying to make a buck doing it. Same thing for paper and any other recycling.

Because this recycling business is driven by fear of a shortage instead of a real shortage, there is not money to be made in it so stuff like this happens.

IRS shipping obsolete computers to Afghanastan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3064734)

Here is the story from today's USA TODAY [usatoday.com] . The IRS is disguising junk as "aid".
What a laugh. 1000 obsolete laptops and desktops.
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