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Return Of Q&A with Heinous Turdballs! (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077923)

The Quake III Arena 1.31 patch has been released. The release notes include the following:

Linux only:
fixed sound crash, going around memset bug in glibc i586/i686

Wondering how a bug could exist in such a fundamental basic function such as memset, we contacted Heinous Turdballs of Linux fame, and he was kind enough to give a few minutes of his time.

Q: Thanks for your time in answering some questions for us

A: No problem. As you know, I am umemployed and have no life, which is of course how I got involved in Linux in the first place.

Q: OK, Mr. Turdballs. By the way, do you mind if I call you 'Dirty GNU Hippie'?

A: I would rather you didn't. I prefer the term 'Dirty Linux Hippie'. As you know, my ratty and nasty hairdo, my rancid steaming armpits and my putrid stench of body odor makes me qualified, I think.

Q: I quite agree. Can you tell us about the memset bug?

A: Sure. We dont really know who is responsible for the bug. We don't know who is making changes, why they make them, or when.

Q: Hmm.. sounds chaotic!

A: It sure is. But Linux is free!!! We are dirty smelly GNU hippies with natty greasy long hair, enjoying the FREE LOVE of GNU software!

Q: Come to think of it, Linux sure does crash alot.

A: Yeah, but that will be fixed in the service pack - er, I mean kernel release. We also have support for some new device drivers that came out 2 years ago. You just have to recompile your kernel with the correct command line switches, after configuring your make file and making the correct edits to /etc/fstab. By the way, if you screw that up, you are really fucked.

Q: Sounds good. So, how do you organize who is working on Linux?

A: Mostly we don't. We pretty much let anyone have at it with the code base. We figure at some point, someone who actually knows something about operating systems will do some work on it. It has to happen eventually, its like a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters. Literally.

Q: That's great. What normally happens?

A: Normally someone comes in and fucks everything up completely, but we don't know who they are because we never actually talk to anyone who is making changes to the code. We assume that if you are capable of signing up for a Hotmail account, you must be pretty good at computers and you should be a tech lead in a major open sores project.

Q: Open sores?

A: Yes, I am sure you have heard of it. Its free, therefore its good. Check out, where bad project ideas go to a quiet and lonely death when the developers realize that 12 year old kids should not be SQA leads when they are constantly getting atomic wedgies because they wear shirts saying "Put Linux Anywhere".

Q: OK, Back to the topic. Whats a typical day in the life of a Linux developer?

A: Usually his mom wakes him up in time to catch the school bus, like 8:00. We encourage this because we want the developers to be well edumacted.

By the time he gets home at 2:00 (the Linux enthusiast does not participate in socalled "extra cirricular" activities, or worry about being "well rounded" and does not have a "social identity" or "play well with others") he has been beaten up a few times for wearing a "I GNU SPOCK" tshirt.

Then, to take out his frustration, he hammers away at the keyboard for a few hours. If the resultant code compiles, he will go ahead and check it in. Then mommy tucks him in for the night.

Q: Interesting. So who will be in charge of resolving the memset bug?

A: We have a nice prospect in mind. He has a strong background in manual labor and performing menial tasks. I'm not sure what his name is but he has a hotmail account,

Q: Sounds great. I'm looking forward to it!

A: Just keep reading slashdot, where are the pimply nerds congregate. You may get assaulted by some homosexual linux zealots, but you will learn to like it.

Q: Sounds like fun!

A: Also hang out at, where bad project ideas go to a quiet and lonely death among the other dirty GNU hippie projects.

Q: Thanks for your time!

A: Tell commander tuna taco I said I will pay in full after I get a real job. Then I will be back for another taco-snotting.

From the annals of the Troll Library [] .

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3077927)

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Time to leave... (0)

negacao (522115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077928)

Time to leave the country when the SSSCA passes.

butt-spelunking (-1, Offtopic)

billthecat (63112) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077932)

I enjoy turd-burgling. If you browse at negative one so do you.

Ack. Oop.


First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3077935)

First Post!!


music sales down 10% last year (2, Insightful)

brlewis (214632) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077941)

Did they consider that other events in 2001 besides increased piracy that might have led to people buying fewer CDs?

Re:music sales down 10% last year (1)

BoyPlankton (93817) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077988)

Did they consider that other events in 2001 besides increased piracy that might have led to people buying fewer CDs?

I believe that they stopped blaming Sept 11 when they realized that they couldn't capitalize on it politically.

Re:music sales down 10% last year (2)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077993)

That statistic means bubkis!

You can't say the increase is due to piracy until you can verify the increase would not happen on the same timeperiod without piracy. This, of course, is impossible to verify.
In other words, sure it sounds good for Napster users, but in court/math/logic, it is passed off as a useless statistic.

Sorry to be a broken record about this, but people love to spout the same stuff. If that's your only argument for Napster/Music&File Sharing, then its time to research a better argument.

Re:music sales down 10% last year (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078099)

umm, that's not the reason man. If anything music would be bought more as a method of relaxation.

how about the fact that when I goto the store and I see 12.99+ for music and I think to myself, wow, I am paying $13.00 for something that cost them pennies to make...

If they were smart, they would drop the damn prices like they said they would, stop whining about piracy and make a product that would compete.

But they are whining little three year olds crying to Mommy and making me suffer. I will stick to free-music and burn my own CDs for .10 a CD.


Re:music sales down 10% last year (1)

ReidMaynard (161608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078107)

geez it couldn't be the whole economy tanked

The rest of the world says thanks (2, Funny)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077943)

Did those bozos (as in clown) actually ever consider how bad such a law is for the US economy?

If they really pull that off, R&D and manufacturing will spread around the rest of the world, while the US is assembling dumbed down AOL-compliant Warner-Brothers approved cable TV boxes with embedded, digitally rights managed entertainment capabilities.

According to the article: (2, Interesting)

PowerTroll 5000 (524563) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077944)

Hollywood believes that copy protection will spur the use of broadband.

Why do they think this? With copy protection, downmloading movies would require a purchase, and fee-based online music services are already not doing well.

I, for one would not base my conversion to broadband on the fact that I could purchase movies.

Re:According to the article: (0)

ryanflynn (409718) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077956)

No, they think it will improve their bottom line. Whether or not they're right... no.

Re:According to the article: (2, Insightful)

gray code (323372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078124)

They think it will work because if you want files suddenly you will be required to use one of those fee-based online download services that currently aren't doing so well.

hollywood's version of "broadband" (2)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078131)

There's another name for hollywood's version of "broadband"...

I believe it's called pay-per-view cable.

just give up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3077945)

This is technologically impossible. Dont waste time or money trying to do this. If you do, customers will not buy hobbled technologies. You have been warned

Being ripped off twice (0)

leezardscure (538709) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077947)

I certainly can't wait to not be able to back up my CDs in case they get scratched! I would much rather buy a new one. Like $20 for the first one wasn't enough...

Seriously... (1)

DickPhallus (472621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077948)

Only in america!

What are they going to do with all the old computers that don't have DRM? How are they going to force the massive computer companies to comply?

And what kind of technology would they use? What about the legally traded mp3's and movies?

Oh ya, only coporate interests matter these days... pity.

Re:Seriously... (3, Informative)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077994)

The SSSCA bill, at least the draft that was out in the open, has a grandfather clause that any computer hardware/software made before 2 years after the bill passes are exempt. The 2 years is the amount of time that the bill requires the content and computer industries to decide on a format; else Congress steps in and standardizes the formats.

Re:Seriously... (1)

einer (459199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078075)

Oh I can't WAIT until we're using the "Congressionally approved cryptographically secure open platform document transport protocol." The RFC for that will be bigger than my phone book...

Re:Seriously... (2)

mirko (198274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078000)

How are they going to force the massive computer companies to comply?

Simply by making them feel obsolete with abusively power-hungry new applications, like DVD++readers, games, etc.

Actually they give people one more reason to turn to Free Software : Feeling right.

Re:Seriously... (1)

syzxys (557810) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078010)

What are they going to do with all the old computers that don't have DRM?

This is the same group of people that wants to make everyone buy a digital TV by 2006 [] . I doubt they've even thought about this yet.

Windows 2000/XP stable? safe? secure? 5 lines of simple C code say otherwise! []

Re:Seriously... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078125)

Well, they've invited several to the hearing, so presumably they'll be weighing in all at the same time. Note the obvious lack of anyone representing the actual citizens of the country. (from ring.022602.html):

Chairman Announces Hearing on Digital Content
Copyright Protection, Broadband, and Digital TV Transition

WASHINGTON, D.C. =96 U.S. Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC), Chairman of the =
Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation announced today a full=
committee hearing on digital content copyright protection, the promotion=
of broadband services, and the digital television transition on Thursday=
, February 28, 2002, in Room 253 of the Russell Senate Office Building. S=
enator Hollings will preside. The witness list and hearing details are in=
cluded below.*

Digital Content Copyright =96 Full Committee Hearing
Date: Thursday, February =
28, 2002
Time: 9:30 AM
Location: 253 Russell Senate Office Building
Hearing Notes: Senator Hollings will preside.
Panel I
Mr. Michael D. Eisner, Chairman and CEO, The Walt Disney Company, 500 S. =
Buena Vista Street, Burbank, CA 91521
Mr. Peter Chernin, President and Chief Operating Officer, News Corporatio=
n, 1211 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036
Mr. Leslie L. Vadasz, Executive Vice President, Intel Corporation, 2200 M=
ission College Boulevard, Santa Clara, CA 95052

Panel II
Mr. Andreas Bechtolsheim, General Manager/Vice President of the Gigabit S=
ystems Business Unit, Cisco Systems Inc., 250 West Tasman Drive, San Jose=
, CA 95134
Mr. James E. Meyer, Special Advisor to the Chairman and formerly Senior V=
ice President and Chief Operating Officer, Thomson Multimedia, 10330 Nort=
h Meridian Street, Indianapolis, IN 46290
Mr. Robert Perry, Vice President, Marketing, Mitsubishi Digital Electroni=
cs America, Inc., 9351 Jeronimo Road, Irvine, CA 92618
Mr. Jack Valenti, President and CEO, The Motion Picture Association of Am=
erica, 15503 Ventura Boulevard, Encino, CA 91436

*Not necessarily in order of appearance.

Re:Seriously... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078151)

Also here's a link to the committee itself Commerce Committee [] . That has names and addresses (including email) for senators who should be at the hearing.

err wtf.. (1, Insightful)

CeZa (562197) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077952)

i live in south carolina so this fucker is supposedly representing me. last time i checked digital encryption was not on my to do list... south carolina is still 49th in education, the little shit needs his priorities adjusted... all in favor of removing him from office say i. (south carolina high school student skipping school today)

Re:err wtf.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078088)

Maybe instead of whinging on /. you could actually do something about it? Go to public meetings and ask why this bill is important to your town? Do you have a lot of recording studios? Make a lot of movies?

Re:err wtf.. (5, Informative)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078089)

i live in south carolina so this fucker is supposedly representing me. last time i checked digital encryption was not on my to do list... south carolina is still 49th in education, the little shit needs his priorities adjusted... all in favor of removing him from office say i. (south carolina high school student skipping school today)

Unfortunately, Senator Hollings has been bought out by corporate interests for some time now. He is basically now the elected Disney representative. He has received almost $300,000 since 1995 in "donations" from large corporations, including AOL/TW, Disney, News Corp (Fox), Viacom (CBS), and NBC. Check out this article on The Register [] for more info.

If you are a resident of South Carolina, then you are a constituent of Sen. Hollings. PLEASE, contact a rep at any of his offices [] , and tell them you are a constituent who is AGAINST the SSSCA. Be polite, be firm, give your address, make sure they know you are a citizen & a voter. Only activism by us geeks is going to get these types of things stopped.

good way for congress to sign their own pink slip (2)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077954)

the only person who's for this is jack valenti and probably the few congress folks that the MPAA is dishing out $$ to. it's nice to see intel is not on the same page as jack and co. the MPAA has gone too far folks!

Re:good way for congress to sign their own pink sl (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077976)

" it's nice to see intel is not on the same page "

You misused the saying.

"... not on the same page."

Means someone doesn't know whats going on, e.g. they are not uptodate.

Intel is quite up to date and they just don't agree with the idiocy of Valenti. Recall Valenti supposedly [I don't know first hand] that VHS would crumble the movie industry.... I think nobody should listen to anything he says since obviously he has nobodies best interests in mind.


Its been how long and nobody has given him a clue? (2)

LWolenczak (10527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077957)

Its been how long since he proposed this piece of $hit law, and he still has no clue? The fact he is resuming now after the mpaa was it wanted this a few days ago makes me think he is on the MPAA bank roll.

And other myths and legends... (4, Funny)

Cinnibar CP (551376) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077960)

the hearing is meant to discuss whether the government must step in and mandate standards -- which Hollywood believes will allow movies to be distributed safely online, spur high-speed Internet access, and boost hardware sales.

A Hollywood spokesman was later heard to also profess strong belief in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and honest politicians.

The core problem (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077961)

Fritz Hollings, as old (and wise as he should be) fails to understand that you pass this legislation and you will make many americans criminals, simply because they won't go for the officially sanctioned electronics. Futher the market for old technology devices, which can't be covered by such a law, will thrive. Way to prop up the used VCR market, Fritz.

Re:The core problem (0, Troll)

CeZa (562197) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077986)

i think fritz owns a pawn shop down the street from me... hmm... I WONDER~!! haha

Re:The core problem (1)

Migx (551367) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078016)

Imo it will mainly generate a "blak market" suplied by products not "usa made".

Re:The core problem (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078159)

Imo it will mainly generate a "blak market" suplied by products not "usa made". I.e. Canadian or Mexican imports.

Customs Agent Bob: "Hey, Jack, I just found 5 K's of coccain in a spare tire!"
Customs Agent Fred: "That's nothing, Arnold just caught a guy with a false gas tank full of DVD burners, he's beating the hell out of the driver with a spiked maul, wanna go watch?"
Customs Agent Bob: "Wow, cool! Sure, I'll just let this guy off with a warning and be there in a second."

"Any interactive digital device" (1)

Cowculator (513725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077965)

So if I put my old Win95 CD in my microwave oven and interactively set it to bake for half an hour, at least I can be secure in the knowledge that it won't be getting copied at the same time. That's one less copy of Windoze to worry about!

Re:"Any interactive digital device" (1)

cyclist1200 (513080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078104)

Even with DRM, no microwave deserves that kind of treatment!

linux bios (2)

mirko (198274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077973)

Time to switch my machine BIOS to the Linux BIOS [] ...
I may even hack around my future systems in order to get them bug-free :-)

Post-Enron (5, Insightful)

Dedtired (93552) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077975)

Something to think about:
Post Enron, and all the campaign finance issues that it has brought up, might there be a way to defeat this through bringing to light the contributions recieved by the sponsors?
Or is that even relevant? Should we be looking at the motives of politicians who sponsor bills? IMO, we should when the bills are being passed for the benefit of donors to the pol's campaign. It seems to me that Senators and Congressmen forget who they work for (the people who elect them) and just care about fundraising.
Okay, rant mode off.

Re:Post-Enron (4, Informative)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078112)

Should we be looking at the motives of politicians who sponsor bills?

Yes, we absolutely should. Especially when the politician in question has received almost $300,000 in corporate donations [] from the worlds largest media companies.

Re:Post-Enron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078158)

FYI, for significant information regarding political contributions in the USA, check out [] .

HDTV Copy Protection Schemes (1, Informative)

shrhoads (201603) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077977)

Here is a good avsforum [] that talks about copy protection on DTV. It seems that DVI (Digital Video Interface) may be the future and may render current HTDV's obsolete. DVI is one of the copy protection schemes for HDTV (along with a firewire one).

Last thing we need (3, Insightful)

Drachemorder (549870) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077978)

The last thing we need is more government interference, and especially more government interference in favor of copy protection. I almost wish I lived in that idiot's district so I could vote against him.

I find it interesting, though, that Intel is on our side in this issue: "We don't think government-mandated technology solutions are in the best interests of consumers or anyone else," according to their spokesperson. It's not too often that big business comes down on our side, although I can certainly understand why Intel would on this issue. Being forced to implement copy-protection in their hardware would NOT be compatible with their business interests.

I also find it interesting that the senator promoting this heinous piece of legislation is a Democrat. Aren't the Democrats supposed be the party that sticks up for the common people as opposed to big media interests like Disney and the MPAA?

Re:Last thing we need (1)

ProfBooty (172603) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078057)

"I also find it interesting that the senator promoting this heinous piece of legislation is a Democrat. Aren't the Democrats supposed be the party that sticks up for the common people as opposed to big media interests like Disney and the MPAA? "

No they usually seem to go against "big business" but the stereotype is that they are more inline with hollywood, since "hollywood" supposedly has a bent to the left. Kind of doesn't make sense, just like republicans seem to be all for selfdetermination and choice with one execption.

Re:Last thing we need (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078122)

just like republicans seem to be all for selfdetermination and choice with one execption.

Um, there is no contradiction in believing that people do not have the "choice" to kill their own children.

Re:Last thing we need (3, Informative)

Aexia (517457) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078095)

Being forced to implement copy-protection in their hardware would NOT be compatible with their business interests.

I think it's less
"We don't think government-mandated technology solutions are in the best interests of consumers or anyone else,"

and more
"We think Intel-mandated technology solutions are in the best interests of Intel and anyone else."

Re:Last thing we need (2)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078103)

Aren't the Democrats supposed be the party that sticks up for the common people as opposed to big media interests like Disney and the MPAA?

Oh you mean like Sonny Bono.

Come one man, hasn't anyone figured it out yet? Libertarians are the ONLY ones that give a flying fuck about anything buy money and power.

Re:Last thing we need (1)

Drachemorder (549870) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078153)

Oh, I agree with you. My political philosophy is highly libertarian in nature. My statement about the Democrats was rhetorical, i.e. "See, they say they're for liberty and the common man, but they don't practice it."

Re:Last thing we need (1)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078117)

The democrats are the party of Hollywood, just like the Republicans are the party of oil companies and other like-minded corporations.

Re:Last thing we need (1)

Timmeh (555676) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078129)

If my Democrat doesn't vote against this (Paul Wellstone), he won't get a single vote from me and my friends. He's already running a close race against a former St. Paul mayor, and he's going to need EVERY SINGLE voteto get a 3rd term. I just hope he gets my letter in time to make an informed experience.

Re:Last thing we need (2)

mttlg (174815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078133)

Aren't the Democrats supposed be the party that sticks up for the common people as opposed to big media interests like Disney and the MPAA?

The Democrats are the ones who talk about personal freedoms, equality, and a kinder, gentler government that forces everyone to be kinder, gentler people, while taking money from special interests and being as corrupt as they think they can get away with.

The Republicans are the ones who talk about war, family, morality, and using government to bring everyone in line with their morality, while taking money from special interests and being as corrupt as they think they can get away with.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Re:Last thing we need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078148)

As far as I can tell (I'm new to this country) democrats are the nosy ones that want the government to do everything for the little people, such as give welfare, pay for health care, protect the children from porn, seek abnormally behaving children which could potentially go out on shooting sprees, etc. I suppose in a way they *are* sticking up for the common people, though they end up restricting people's freedoms in the process.

I wonder if a possible strategy to counter this kind of effort would be to actively *support* it, write letters to Congressmen thanking them etc., to make sure the anti-freedom laws get passed and enforced enough that more than just a few geeks notice the effects, provoking a much greater dissent than would otherwise be feasible.

copy protection in my alarm clock? (2)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077982)

"land of the free
home of the brave"

copy protection in my Video Camera!
copy protection in my Game controller!

cool, all this won't cost much

copy protection in my modem

copy protection in my monitor
copy protection in my watch

copy protection in my microwave

one more victory for the lawyers

If it goes through we should try and prosecute the manufacturers of as many digital devices as possible!

Re:copy protection in my alarm clock? (2)

SIGFPE (97527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078127)

Hell, you won't even be allowed to speak the words 'one' and 'zero' because if you did you might be transmitted unencrypted digital data.

Alternatives (1)

nick255 (139962) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077990)

Out of interest, what sort of laws/systems would /.ers suggest to protect copyrighted work?

Lets face it, when people can easily copy stuff, they do. So despite my feelings that it would be nice if all information was free, etc., I think it is reasonible for people to try to protect the work they invested time/effort/money in, but am unsure what is the best way to do this, ideas?

Re:Alternatives (1)

filtrs (548248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078050)

Why do we need any more laws protecting copyright? Copyright is already protected by U.S. law and always has been.

The question is: Can they go after each person who violates Copyright. Often, they do go after groups that are in violation and they win. If I am violating Copyright on a small scale, though, it ISN'T WORTH IT to them. If its not worth it, no new law is going to change that.

Re:Alternatives (2)

JWW (79176) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078118)

If going after smal scale violators isn't worth it , why not make it not worth it to be a small scale copyright violator. If CD cost less than the cost of your time finding and downloading a song, why would you bother downloading it (especially if the CD contained only the song you wanted).

You would think they could come up with a business model to support this.

Hell, they sell bottled water for a $1, and most people can get water at their home for damn near free. You can't tell me they can't find a way to sell digital music without finding out a way to mitigate and minimize copyright violations.

Re:Alternatives (2)

richieb (3277) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078060)

Obvious ways. Do not release it in digital form. Don't charge $20 for something that costs $0.50. Try not to rip off your customers. Let copyright expire after 5 years (not 120).

Have you read "The Future of Ideas" by Lessing? He has plenty of good ideas.

Re:Alternatives (1)

Drachemorder (549870) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078113)

For starters, I think the producers need to be more lenient and accept that there's going to be some copying. It's not the end of the world. There will always be people who are willing to pay reasonable prices for a product if they feel they're getting something for their money. It's nice to have a physical copy of a book or DC or movie as opposed to either a cheap burned copy or a file on the computer. Plus, having some underground distribution is good for advertising. A lot of people buy CDs after hearing MP3s they downloaded.

The producers would win a lot more friends if they were more generous with the way their works could be used, and they're probably wind up making more money in the end. I personally think it's good business sense to make a good impression on your customers, even if that means tolerating some piracy.

So I don't really think a lot of restrictions are a good idea even for business. I don't think small-scale "piracy" really damages copyright owners as much as they like to claim it does. To answer your question, I think producers should CHOOSE to allow copying rather than trying to protect their work from it.

Re:Alternatives (1)

HCase (533294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078119)

for one, copyrights shouldn't last as long as they do right now, by the time something is out of copyright its either hailed as an amazing classic or only available in pirated form. if a group decides not to make money off it it should be reproducable.(some of the disney movies like song of the south would be in this category)

as for other media changes. lower the cost of new dvd's and cd's. if i didn't think i was going ot be paying to much for some no talent music i'd buy more. also, give more to the bands, then i'd buy more because it would actually support them.

finally, because some this could hurt the total money coming into the industry if enough people don't buy more, lower the paychecks going out to the lawyers and execs, stop giving the government lobbying money since business is supposably so bad, cut the funds going to anti-copying encryption and technology, and lower the amounts of lawsuits that money is being spent to fight.

ok, alot of those weren't changes to the law, but they were at least changes....

Unwarranted tax on consumers (2, Interesting)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 12 years ago | (#3077992)

Adding this technology will cost money. Every component you buy with this device in it will cost you more money. Why should I pay for somethiing that I am not interested in. The consumers will speak. They will not buy this trash. Well at least as soon as an alternative appears they will stop. I'll gladly buy my technology in Canada if you keep screwing around.

Arent TVs supposed to have some stupid Vchip in them? Its just material trumped up so someone can campaign on the platform of stopping it, and like sheep everyone will vote for that idiot.

Sick of it all.

MPAA want DRM by law (3, Informative)

Cally (10873) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078003)

Jack ("The VCR is to the American public as
the Boston strangler to single women") Valenti of the MPAA wrote a depressing editorial at The Washington Post [] , calling for DRM-enabled OSes to be the (presumably, legally mandated) standard, in order to save Hollywood from the same
terrible fate [] that befell the music industry while Napster was operating. Depressing because, although his case has more holes than Internet Explorer, it smells of a ploy to get more bad laws [] passed. Three guesses what would happen to non-compliant (read: Free) OSes once this terrible law goes through...
The Register []
has a good scathing response.

When Free software is against the law, only outlaws will have Free software...

Alan Thicke. DEAD. (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078006)

I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon. []
He will be missed :(

Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):

Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.

Something scary... plus more lies and videotape (3, Insightful)

Aexia (517457) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078008)

But in September, a Disney lobbyist defended Hollings' draft SSSCA as "an exceedingly moderate and reasonable approach."

Yikes... if they think SSSCA is merely "moderate", I'd hate to imagine what they *really* want.

Also this week, the Recording Industry Association of America published data saying that music sales were down 10 percent last year and online piracy and CD burning were a "large factor contributing to the decrease."

Let's see, CD sales were rising when Napster was in its hey-day so obviously the dismantling of it is a "large factor contributing to the decrease."

The DMCA sparked controversy after the eight largest movie studios successfully used it to stop 2600 magazine from distributing the DeCSS DVD-descrambling program.

As I recall, 2600 only linked to sites with DeCSS; it didn't distribute it.

The entire article reads like a blowjob for the RIAA and MPAA.

Re:Something scary... plus more lies and videotape (2)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078102)

>> successfully used it to stop 2600 magazine

> As I recall, 2600 only linked

There is also the question of their definition of success. While they have, for now, stopped *2600* from linking to it, they've hardly supressed it's existance off the net.

Re:Something scary... plus more lies and videotape (1)

HCase (533294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078156)

they would like a device that, apon detecting a non-authorized media form would release an flammable gas into the room and quickly ignite itself. that will teach all the nasty pirates out there. and those horrid people trying to watch their old home videos transfered to digital form.

Today... (2)

scorcherer (325559) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078012)

is a good day to be living in Europe.

Re:Today... (1)

filtrs (548248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078130)

TODAY might be a good day to be living in Europe ... but, remember, there's always tomorrow.

Re:Today... (2)

AndyS (655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078137)

Until of course, a couple of years later, our politicians are given some free flights and some quality time with Britney and they pass even worse laws.

Or did you think our politicians were not as corrupt.... It's a tragic shame that we didn't keep the death penalty just for politicians who perform "favours".

What's sad is... (3, Interesting)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078015)

While we need to argue against Hollings on this bill, he's the person we need to cheer on if the T-D bill passes in the House; Hollings has repeated stated he's against the mechanism of that bill to increase broadband, and has his own that he wants to get into Congress that actually forces more competition on the last mile and away from the Bells and increase penalties for not following the Telecom Act provisions, up to a $1mill per incident (up from $120k).

Help, someone's stolen my creativity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078018)

Valenti wrote: "What's keeping the movie industry from making its creativity theft-proof? Simply put, in order to transport movies as agreed to by the consumer on a rent, buy, or pay-per-view basis with heightened security, computers and video devices must be prepared to react to instructions embedded in the film."

Aren't the artists the creative ones, the "industry" are the rich ones. The idea that creativity can be stolen seems particularly stupid to me, but what else should we expect from Valenti? Maybe he should patent creativity, that wat the RIAA and MPAA can control a little more of the entertainment commodity supply chain

How's this for a scary quote? (3, Interesting)

Glith (7368) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078020)

From the article:

First, the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) created the legal framework that punished people who bypassed copy protection -- and now, the SSSCA would compel Americans to buy only systems with copy protection on by default. Davis says: "I think the DMCA was a first step."

if this passes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078023)

if this passes prepare for another civil war but dont expect to survive

Read This Rob (2, Funny)

prisonercx (40652) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078033)

Cmdr - I'd suggest making a new category for stories like this, naming it "Your Lack Of Rights Online" and have a picture of a generic Congressman (maybe one that looks like Hollings) sodomizing you with a legal document. That seems more appropriate than the current icon.

(I say this with a deeply heavy heart. I am honestly scared as to what the world holds for me as a CS major when I graduate.)


What, me worry? (2)

nanojath (265940) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078036)

I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, listen to the article:

"a Disney lobbyist defended Hollings' draft SSSCA as "an exceedingly moderate and reasonable approach." "

Well then, I don't see that I have any cause to be concerned... I mean, if DISNEY says it's okay how bad can it be?

even wider (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078037)

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Use the 2nd Amendment. Protect yourself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078040)

Personally, if the government thinks that they can make Linux illegal and stop me from using it, they're going to have a fight on their hands. Senator Hollings and his Democratic henchmen can kiss my rosy red butt. I have no intention of being blackmailed into installing Jack Valenti's favorite OS on any of my machines. If law enforcement officials want to come and try to arrest me (key word there is "try"), they're more than welcome to. They might get me in the end, but I guarantee that I would take more than a few of them out.

I think that we as Linux users have got to start defending our freedoms a bit more assertively. I don't think we should sit back and be complacent: Linux is on the verge of being criminalized, and even if the courts end up striking the law down, there will be a period where our homes may be subject to invasion and search simply because of our choice of OS. I for one do not intend to let this happen to me, and we could collectively make law enforcement think differently if we armed ourselves and made a principled stand for our rights.

Re:Use the 2nd Amendment. Protect yourself. (1)

DrPascal (185005) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078115)

Maybe I fail to see the humor, but if you resort to weaponry to protect your interests in an OS, you need to re-prioritize.

Re:Use the 2nd Amendment. Protect yourself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3078135)

Your subject says to "Use the 2nd Amendment. Protect yourself." How, might I ask, would using one's right to bear arms relate to copyright law? I'm sure you wouldn't be advocating killing people with firearms in order to quell them.

no no no morons. (0, Troll)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078042)

MORONS. You cannot force us to make digital device copyprotected. It is the duty of the maker of the end product being copied to do so.

The land of the not-free.

And the arguments posted to my comments yesterday about whining Americans is bullshit. Just so you don't have to bother.

This is about me being forced by the government to use devices that are altered so I can"t do what I please. Soon cars are only going to go 65mph, my stereo will only goto 10 instead of 35, and alcohol will be 0%. b/c god forbid we have some sort of free choice.


Just my worthless bitching today.

The Letter Fritz sent me when I asked about SSSCA (5, Informative)

vtechpilot (468543) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078051)

Last October I wrote Senator Hollings a letter asking about the SSSCA. I suppose since I am a South Carolina resident he took the time to reply. In a letter dated November 13, 2001 from the senator:

Dear Mr. Sattler

Thank you for your recent communication regarding legislation that address copyright protection on the internet.

I believe that any proposed legislation must meet consumers' expectations while protecting intellectual property. Ideally, the private sector will work to solve these problems. While I am considering legislation in this area, I am not intoducing a bill at this time.

You can be certain that if legislation is developed, I will take your concerns into consideration in order to ensure the rights of consumers as well as those of the creators of Internet material.

With kindest regards, I am


Ernest F. Hollings

So basically he denied that the SSSCA existed at the time. What a blatant lie.

Mandatory copy protection COULD work... (2, Interesting)

Da Schmiz (300867) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078062)

...but it probably won't.

If implemented correctly, we could have something akin to IPsec -- a virtual, encrypted layer where copy-protected information is transmitted. PGP has had an option for a while for encrypting a text document with a flag set that prevents the recipient from saving it as a file. In theory, something like this could be implemented and actually work.

In reality, it would probably be nothing of the kind... because of the DMCA, you could have an entire movie encoded ROT-1, and breaking that encryption (or even describing, in an educational setting, how to break that encryption) would be a felony. This strikes me as just absurd.

If it was set up like net service, though, with a network-wide DES encryption layer, the content creators could retain some degree of control, and the actual implementation code would not reveal the secret. Thus the implementation code could be opensourced under an artistic license of some sort. In that case, I couldn't see any reason why it couldn't be incorporated into Linux, BSD, etc.

My point is, copy protection would have to be enabled by a techological protection with a degree of cracking difficulty greater than the cost of purchasing the content legally. I am certain that, technically, this can be done.

Unfortunately, I am nearly certain that, from a political standpoint, this cannot be done.

What's so important about broadband??? (4, Insightful)

sterno (16320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078067)

Can somebody explain to me what's so amazingly important about broadband. As I understand this, the media companies want to trample on all of our rights so that they can sell us more bandwidth that they can use to transmit to us the movies that they sell. Can somebody please explain to me the compelling societal interest that's being promoted here?

Bandwidth is a wonderful thing, but it seems like inacting legislation to artificially generate demand for it is an ill conceived idea. Fine, if copyright controls aren't built into every single piece of electronic equipment it might mean never watching Lord of the Rings on-line. WHO CARES? Fine, I'll go to a theater and watch it, and there I can get the experience of being with a large audience, getting the big sound and picture that I can never hope to replicate in my home. What is so almighty important to our society to be able to download this stuff?

I guess my feeling is that if the big movie studios don't want to put their stuff on-line, fine, don't, I don't really care. What's the worst that happens? Nothing. Nothing at all. They keep making money the way they always have and we keep watching movies the way we always have. The only risk to them is that somebody else is going to come along and make something of that market without any of this copy protection technology built in. So really, in the end, this is all just an effort to further the monopoly of the MPAA over movie production and distribution. Isn't that grand?

Oh bah (5, Insightful)

lblack (124294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078068)

I can rent a movie from a local video store. I can then take it home, place it into my VCR, and record it to a second VCR.

The total cost to me is between $.99 and $3.99 Canadian Dollars, plus $1.99 for the blank cassette tape.

I could also record it to my computer, and eliminate the second cost.

Why do video stores exist? Shouldn't the MPAA be burning them down, or whatever it is that happens to offenders that enable piracy?

Oh, because they generate revenue. Slipped my mind. The MPAA sure are clever fellas, realizing that.

Except that they didn't realize that until after-the-fact. They had permitted rentals of BetaMax, and discovered that they could not legitimately restrict rentals on the basis of the VHS medium. They went with it because they had to, not because they wanted to.

And look at all the money!

The reason that the Internet is so scary to the MPAA and ol' Jack is because it's so big. They think, "My goodness, 400 million people can download our movie and watch it." What they fail to realize is that if they provided a service to download movies legitimately, with no worries about stripped frames or out-of-sync sound, then perhaps 40 million of those 400 million would pay a $5 service fee. Because, hey, $5 is worth saving me a half an hour of frustration. If I could pay $5 for a movie, and KNOW that it would play correctly, and have it certified to run on all hardware exceeding a specific spec, I'd pay it. My serenity in watching a movie is worth a fiver. Really, it is.

This has been said and said and said. Not everybody who downloads something off the internet ever would have purchased it. If I download a Britney Spears song because I'm having an argument over whether she's saying "My loneliness is killing me" or "Fuck me now, Tiger!" with my roommate, I'm not stealing their profit, because a stupid argument isn't worth buying a CD. Although it might be worth a micropayment, if that service existed. Of course it doesn't.

The MPAA and RIAA are both trying to take traditional bricks and mortar businesses online. But, unlike Amazon, they run into a big problem: on-line, for the media formats they're pushing, they run into competition from the illegitimate side of things (Books aren't often pirated). What they have to do is make their service offering more attractive than theft.

You'd think it wouldn't be hard to do that, except that their service offering is, and has been for about 40 years now, theft. They overcharge, they price in a predatory fashion, they artificially increase demand and artificially decrease supply. They constantly reduce production costs and yet constantly raise price tags.

Look at the computer industry: The first computer I bought and paid for with my own money was a 386 SX 20. It had a 20 meg hard drive. It cost me a fucking mint -- over $1000, and I was getting it at a discount.

Now, I can buy a 1 gigahertz computer for that price. Or, I could buy myself a K6 2/300 for $300. An increase in production efficiency coupled with a decrease in production costs resulted in a decrease of the price-to-consumer.

Well, duh.

But a CD? I bought a CD 10 years ago. It cost me $18.99 (Talking Heads, Stop Making Sense). I bought a CD yesterday, it cost me $24.99 (Kristin Hersch, Strange Angels). We all know that the price of pressable audio CDs has been decreasing, right? We all know that the methods of pressing tham have grown more efficient, right?

Q:So why did the price of my CD *increase* instead of *decreasing*?

A: Because the crooks in this equation are the RIAA.

Oh bleh. I buy CDs to support the artists I like. The more copies sold, the more important they are to the label. The more important they are, the more exposure they get. The more exposure they get, the more people listen to them. The more people listen to them, the more shows they play. The more shows they play, the better the odds that I'll get to see them -- except, of course, that the tickets will probably cost enough that I'll have to sell a kidney.



New Drug Trade (1)

zentec (204030) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078076)

You're seeing the arrival of yet another black market, suitable for exploit by gangsters, thugs and drug dealers. Instead of drugs, they'll just sell non-copy protected consumer electronics devices.

Why do you (1)

Thakandar2 (260848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078079)

"Valenti wrote: 'What's keeping the movie industry from making its creativity theft-proof? Simply put, in order to transport movies as agreed to by the consumer on a rent, buy, or pay-per-view basis with heightened security, computers and video devices must be prepared to react to instructions embedded in the film.'"

Simply put, the MPAA needs to realize that

1) They are not that creative. Have you been to a movie recently?
2) Computers and video devices CAN rent, buy, or be capable of secure pay-per-view NOW. VCR's have just as much possibility to circumvent all three, but those are legal.
3) That we still have guns, and good people still don't point them at others, only bad people do. In other words, try and prosecute those people who want to copy rented or pay-per-view movies on their computer, but don't punish the whole consumer base.

How does the MPAA fix all this otherwise? They need to hire a few cryptogrophers and actually pay them enough not to leak the key to the public, is what. That would work for a while. I mean, if PGP kept the FBI busy for so long, it would stop Joe Schmoe who is all you have to worry about even with VCR's. Some script kiddie will eventually crack it anyways, even if its hardware protection, but Joe will never hear about it, just like Joe doesn't know how to get free cable to all his TV's and instead buys a few extra cable boxes.

ATT & RCN & AOL & MSN (1)

bigpat (158134) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078080)

Has anyone noticed that the companies that are buying up the Internet, don't like it. All they want to do is buy it up and destroy it, so they can replace it with their subscription services.

Pay per play/Pay per view/Pay for advertising. Squeeze every fucking dime out of us they can. It is rediculous. Yeah, companies have a right to make a buck, but not to hold a gun to my head. Which is what they do everytime they get their paid lackies, Congressman, to pass another law that says I have to do what the big corporations want me to do or else. Welcome back to the future! Again we find ourselves approaching an age of robber barrons. Just now they all have acronyms and better marketing.

In other news... (1, Troll)

brogdon (65526) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078085)

Congress today approved a grant today towards a medical program that will implant small chip into the brain of every American child shortly after birth. Its function will be to monitor the sounds brought in by the ears and shut them off for a period of five minutes if any pirated music is heard by the implantee.

Auto insurance companies are engaged in a furious fight to stop the next version of the B-chip, which will include the capability to instantly shut down the eyes in a similar manner.

I love technology.

3 blind mice .. see how they think .. (4, Interesting)

RembrandtX (240864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078092)

"Also this week, the Recording Industry Association of America published data saying that music sales were down 10 percent last year and online piracy and CD burning were a "large factor contributing to the decrease."

I suppose a Global recession, the conversion to Euro's in Europe, and the resulting chaos from the Sept 11 attack probally didn't concern CD buyers. [or the fact that the red cross had an ad campaign playing on the radio .. something along the lines of 'for the price of one CD, you can give assistance to aiding the victoms of this grevious event.']

Seems to me that maybe good-ol` America had better things to spend their disposable income on around the holiday seasons last year.

As for requiring devices to have imbedded encryption devices in them .. lets assume for a second that no one would be able to hack them [regardless of all the results you get if you google 'cable descramblers'] How would this benifit the 'Average' American.

Just how does protecting Disney's IP [or Warnerbrother-aol-wwf] help the farmers in the midwest who grow the wheat for Eisner's mid afternoon power-bagel. From what I have seen latley (Return to Neverland, and the upcoming Cinderella sequil) Disney IP isn't exactly cutting edge anymore. Walt - the man who wouldnt let Izzy Isbourne recycle cels in their OLD animation must be pacing his cryo-chamber in angst at not only recycling cels .. but WHOLE MOVIES.

Why corporations like these folks can decide a SECURITY LAW for the rest of america bothers me. Intel hit it right on the nose with their statement. It will not benifit the average consumer .. and to add to that .. WHY ARE COMMUNICATIONS companies deciding what is good for COMPUTER COMPANIES ?? Do they REALLY believe that I use the net (or .. chuckle . the web) to watch movies? Do they think my burning desire is to ignore the big TV box downstairs, or .. god forbid .. the movie theatre, and download a grainy pan&scan that some college kid made with a cam corder ?

I mean .. Broadband must not be widespread because of this .. it can't have anything to do with cable companies haveing exclusivity in their areas with no-competition clauses .. or the fact that when you combine a $40 Broadband charge with your normal $50-60 TV bill .. that puts it out of the reach of the average income family.

They want to see broadband in every house ? drop the fees to $20 a month.

ObConspiracy Theory (2, Interesting)

exploder (196936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078094)

Is all this mess really about protecting a (relatively, when compared to say, the industry being required to bend over backward) small industry's profits, or is it more about creating and/or protecting an end-to-end encrypted, secure channel from the powers-that-be to our ears and eyeballs? What happens if television, the granddaddy of all mass media, is absorbed into the relatively populist and anarchist internet? Imagine the implications of a service like (the now defunct) ThirdVoice, but for the evening news instead of websites. Who would be scared by such a prospect? Makes one go "hmmm".

Give me a break (3, Interesting)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078097)

It's a law as old as copy protection itself:

If you can read it, you can copy it

Give me an e-book that I can display on a screen, and I'll make screenshots, paste them together using Adobe, and create a non-protected copy of that work for free.

Oh, you disable screenshots? I'll take a digital camera and photograph it, toss them on my PC, and make a PDF out of them.

Oh, you don't let me take a digital image of it? I'll copy it down onto a piece of FSCKING paper and scan that in.

If it can be read, it can be copied

Do they really think??? (1)

nvts-NUTS (551113) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078106)

I guess I just don't get it. Does the author of this bill and our buddy Jack really think that they can pull off such unprecedented legislation as this? I mean can anyone think of a SINGLE instance where a consumer device was forced to have something that restricted it's use?

The government doesn't force car manufacturers to sell cars with goveners to prevent you from speeding (and thus endangering the lives of others). They don't force makers of lawn mowers to install safety devices to stop the blade from turning if the mower deck is lifted off the ground and the spinning blade is exposed. They don't force gun makers to implement technology to make sure you only use your gun at the gun range or to shoot bad people.

So, who is the government really out to protect. It sure as hell isn't the consumer.

I'm also wondering when it was written into the constitution or Bill of Rights that the profits of the few outweigh the rights of the many.

I personally can't wait for the day where a DMCA case gets bumped to the Supreme court just to see how they think it plays with Bill of Rights and common law.

Sneaky Troll (2)

exploder (196936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078147)

Hmm...let me think real hard here. How about DAT decks that couldn't make second-generation copies? How about "consumer-grade" DVD writers that can't write to the key sector? Region encoding? Child-proof lighters?

Different philosophies (2, Insightful)

doru (541245) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078116)

The movie industry and the Internet have two different preoccupations : the first is about making money and the second about circulating information.

I see no reason why every computer should comply with their "standards" just in order to accomodate some business or the other...

If they cannot adapt to the medium then tough luck ! It's not theirs to change in the first place.

Lets Face Reality here (rarely done on /.) (2, Troll)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078123)

Premise one : it is Work to create content, whether it be music, video, the printed word, or computer code. What do I mean by Work? Well, first it requires a portion of the content creator's lifespan to create content. It can be anywhere from 6 months of a book author's life to hundreds of manyears of time to create a major movie. Obviously, the people doing the creating must meet their needs during this time, and more skilled (or at least more popular) content creators must receive proportionally more compensation for their labors. (hence popular content receives more compensation)

Premise Two : If someone is allowed to enjoy such created content, whatever to media, without paying for it they decrease the incentive the creators of such content have to produce it. If so few people pay for it in some manner that it is more effort to create content than the creators are compensated (measured in subjective terms, of course) then the creator of the content will likely move on to a more productive form of employment. Hence, noone makes a sequel to a movie that fails economically, and when the .coms run out of money they stop producing anything.

Premise 3 : The digital age allows one to make absolutely perfect copies of content, for almost any form. Many people find they can get content for free with perfect quality. The same incentive rule applies : if you can get media for free, why pay for it? Thus, Something Must Be Done. Especially the major media creators who risk billions in making motion pictures (which is why the MPAA is the most strict about copy protection : a movie takes hundreds of times the money and effort as most other forms of content creation).

I have not seen any proposals made by /.ers that will work. In reality, it will take very draconian measures for the content creators to ensure they receive fair compensation for their efforts.

One last thing to note : some of you will allege that content creators do not in fact receive "fair" compensation...that they make obscene amounts of money compared to the cost of producing the media. That is simply false. First, in the case of music the $15 you pay for the cd goes to the ADVERTISING, which is just as big a part of the content you pay for as the music itself. The advertising makes you "feel good" about listening to the music, even if the music actually sucks. (hence the popularity of Miss Spears. Remember, advertising refers to more subtle forms of expression than mere T.V. commercials). For the movie example, much of the profit studios make on successful movies has to go to pay for the films that flop.

The money to be made (5, Interesting)

richieb (3277) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078128)

This article [] appeared in NYT last weekend. The interesting thing it said that Sony makes about 4 billions per year on music sales, but about 40 billion on electronics sales (i.e. MP3 players, memory sticks, CD burners). How willing do you think would Sony be to reduce the income from consumer eletronics to satisfy their music division?

Passing the Costs Off (3, Insightful)

Wintersmute (557244) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078132)

Once again, the content industry is trying to pass off the costs of securing content. As I said the other day, in relation to Jack Valenti's most recent act of public self-humiliation (er... I guess that's what they call PR)

"The content industry has been trying to force the costs of secure IP on everyone BUT themselves. First users, then ISPs, now electronics manufacturers. When the hell will they figure out that securing their content is their own damn problem? It's like they can't figure out how to lock their own door, and instead of building a better lock, they'd rather criminalize the act of using a doorknob - er, excuse me, "wall-circumvention device." Obviously, that was a subversive Freudian slip.

Okay, so maybe recycling comments is bad form, but its even more prescient now than before.

That being said, feel free to call me hopelessly optimistic here... but I sense the tide turning.

Okay, I can hear the collective huh? out there, but I'm saying this seriously. I think there's two indicators that may mean the tide is turning away from the property rights hawks and toward the rest of us.

First, the Senate has gotten into the game. Sen. Boucher has given the RIAA flack recently about copy protection schemes and digital watermarking, and Sen. Hatch has voiced on at least one occasion that the DMCA may not be working. ("Hey, no kidding, Orrin!?")

Second, the Supreme Court has gotten into the game. Last year's Tasini decision (look it up on Findlaw) was the first subtle blow to content owners, and I think the Eldred appeal, if the Court strikes down the Mickey Mouse Protection Act, may be the next.

To paraphrase Churchill, I'm not saying this is the end. It's not even the beginning of the end. It may, however, be the end of the beginning.

Excuse my proselytizing, but where that ends is up to you. Email your Congressperson about the SSSCA. I don't care - tell them you think Hollings is a weenie. Just make yourself heard. If you've got time to peruse Slashdot, you've got time to write the damn email. And that doesn't even have to be in HMTL.

What are you waiting for?

More obsolete computers for Asian dumps (2)

andaru (535590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078140)

They say that the law will boost hardware sales. Why? Because all of your current equipment will be incapable of accessing their crappy online content, so all of the morons out their who are brainwashed by Hollywood and the recording industry will have to throw away all of their old equipment (6 months old?) to play Britney Spears' new online-only (so you can't own a copy) single or Jurassic Park 8.

Think of all of the equipment that will become 'unusable' by the masses and therefore discarded. This will certainly help push California's new computer recycling legislation through.

Also, notice there is no consumer representation at this hearing (the closest thing being Intel). The consumers are affected by this law just as much as the tech industry, and probably much more than the recording and film industries (they will push the legislation through and then sit back and watch while everyone else suffers through it, but ultimately it probably won't make them any more money).

The nice thing is that during the transitional phase, they will probably end up alienating the masses who can't afford the equipment required to listen to new music or rent new movies. Then they will complain that piracy has caused their sales to go down. Lather, rinse, repeat...

is it just me thats smells this bullshit? (1)

ReidMaynard (161608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078142)

Um for most USAinas broadband = cable

If I have cable, I just order the movie from my cable operator; and I can tape it if I want.

w(hy)tf would I pay for a krappier version from the internet?

I suggest a new law... (4, Interesting)

hrieke (126185) | more than 12 years ago | (#3078146)

Folks this is tongue in cheek here -
I think we need a law that deals with crimes against the Constitution.
Any person caught proposing a law or voting for a law which is later found to be in violation against the Constitution shall be banned from any government work, either as elected or appointed. If found to be lobbying another elected official after being banned, all those who were lobbied can not vote on the legislation lobbied on behalf of.

Although H.B. Piper had a few good ideas in his books too... Anyone else up for a law that allows up to shoot elected officals that we feel aren't acting in our best intrests?
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