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Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the l33t-walking dept.

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asv108 writes "It seems that people are finding new uses for their iPod. According to this story in Wired, a Dallas area CompUsa employee caught a teenager transferring a fresh copy of Office for OSX to his iPod from a store demo machine."

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Please could you help me (-1, Offtopic)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085199)

Dear sirs,

I am having a computer related problem, and was hoping that you, being mainly technically minded could help.

Up until recently I was a proficient Java programmer, and the code that I released for my company earned us a significant revenue. I used the various coding tools available to me on the robust platform of Microsoft Windows 2000 [microsoft.com] and all of the user friendliness and support it has to offer.

Recently, I was involved in an accident which left me immobile in hospital for a couple of months. In this time, without the ability to excercise, I began to gain weight, and would now go as far as to say I am fat. Also, because I could not get a haircut easily, my hair is long and unkempt. Fortunately, I have made a full recovery and since left hospital and gone back to work.

Here is the problem:

Now at work, I refuse to use Java, instead prefering to use what I used to think was a garbled mess of inefficiency - perl. Not only that, but once I have completed any code (which takes a lot longer than it used to with Java - but it can't be perl's fault because perl is perfect) I now genuinely believe that giving away the past few months worth of work for free is a valid business model! Equally, my productivity has plummeted because I have switched from Windows to Linux, as I now realise that it is better to write a 75 line bash script to copy files than to drag and drop in explorer - I think it has something to do with being l337 and having control, not like you M$ Windoze lusers LOL!!

Clearly something is wrong with me and I would love to know what it is. Does anybody know why I have lost all common sense, personal hygiene, business sense and instead gained the ability to program in a rune like language?

Please, I need all of the help I can get.

--gazbo

PS. I can't add any more details, as I have an irrepressible to learn to play the GNU/flute.
PPS. FP

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085200)

can't spell Apple Computers without AC

Cool Theme - lawsuit pending. (0, Offtopic)

havaloc (50551) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085201)

How long until Apple sues slashdot for use of the Aqua theme?

Re:Cool Theme - lawsuit pending. (0, Offtopic)

Khan (19367) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085233)

Probably faster than you can say "Steve Jobs is a crackhead, megalomaniac!" Whew! That's a tongue twister ;-)

Re:Cool Theme - lawsuit pending. (1)

zapfie (560589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085264)

They won't. Apple is concerned with other desktops and software products using its Aqua theme. Slashdot using an Aqua-ish theme poses no threat to Apple in any way; why would Apple sue Slashdot?

Re:Cool Theme - lawsuit pending. (-1)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085326)

Because it dilutes their brand. I'll look through my address book, maybe I know someone at Apple who could help get the ball rolling.

Re:Cool Theme - lawsuit pending. (1)

cetan (61150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085330)

Because their lawyers need to make next months BMW payment?

Re:Cool Theme - lawsuit pending. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085375)

A huge number of mac news [macnn.com] sites [macslash.com] have actively been using very aqua-ish themes for a really long time. Apple hasn't minded so far.

I think it's clear at this point that apple legal only minds if you try to release a product that competes with apple using apple's trade dress.

And I Thought... (2, Funny)

cmdr_beeftaco (562067) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085207)

And I thought CompUSA employees were good for nothing.

Re:And I Thought... (5, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085263)

According to the story, it was a computer consultant shopping in CompUSA who saw this.

It's irrelevant, I guess, since nobody actually reads the stories anymore.

Re:And I Thought... (1)

cetan (61150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085360)

Per the article, they are:

Webb watched the teenager copy a couple of other applications. He left the kid to find a CompUSA employee. "I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless," Webb said.

it wasn't his fault... (5, Funny)

sprytel (242051) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085212)


it was improper labeling. the sticker said "don't steal MUSIC"...

New ad copy. (4, Funny)

Brendor (208073) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085390)

"Copy an entire CD worth of music in 10 seconds or a $459 office suite in under 3"

Hmm (1, Insightful)

zapfie (560589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085215)

Apple touts the iPod's ability to act as an external hard drive as one of its selling points. This person was using it as an external hard drive. Why is this newsworthy?

It's newsworthy (1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085240)

Because it introduces a new way to pirate software. When was any sort of external drive fast and quiet enough to do this?

Though what he was doing was illegal, you got to give him credit for cleverness.

Re:It's newsworthy (1)

einer (459199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085284)

The terapin mine has been around for a while, and stores twice as much data as an ipod. The Archos jukebox also has this functionality.

Re:It's newsworthy (2)

malfunct (120790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085308)

Yeah but I'd MUCH rather make the transfer on firewire than on USB :) I remember the nearly 2 days it took to transfer 15gig of data to my nomad on USB.

Re:It's newsworthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085316)

But the iPod uses Firewire, not USB. It's hard to snarf 3GB of warez if you have to sit by the demo machine for six hours to do it...

--R.J.
"Get Bill Gates Out Of Jail" T-shirts! [digiserve.com]

Re:Hmm (3, Insightful)

dstone (191334) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085356)

Okay, using your anti-criteria for news... Winchester touts their rifles' abilities to fire ammunition extremely accurately with immense force as one of their selling points. So when a person uses one to kill a president or a few dozen schoolchildren, is it newsworthy?

Someone has discovered a new, ironic, and devious way to use an iPod for piracy. It's funny. And nerdy. And newsworthy. Especially on /.

Same trick, different decade (5, Interesting)

Pete Bevin (291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085218)

I used to do this in the late 80s - the BBC Micro had a system where you could buy add-on ROMs. I didn't have the money to buy them, so I wrote a program to copy them onto a 5.25 inch floppy. Then I'd go into stores and copy what they had.

Glad to see some things haven't changed...

Re:Same trick, different decade (0, Troll)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085364)

Glad to see some things haven't changed...

er, not quite. 5 Gig capacity is a helluva lot more then you can store on those pesky diskettes.

On the other hand: Software also tends to be a tad more bloated nowadays. Mind you, not better, just more bloated...

And this is news...? (3, Interesting)

neuroticia (557805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085223)

This is news? =] It was bound to happen eventually. Give a person a way to get something out of a store and they'll do their best to do it.

I would think that connecting to Limewire or Hotline would be a heck of a lot easier than trying to get all of the files for OS X off of a computer, though. Sort of like stealing a stick of gum from one store instead of stealing the ingredients for gum from another store.

-Sara

Re:And this is news...? (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085310)

Actually it was just Office for OSX and I am not sure how much easier it could get than dragging the Office folder onto the iPod icon on the desktop.

Re:And this is news...? (2, Informative)

neuroticia (557805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085401)

Typo. (Saying OS X instead of Office for OS X.) =] Haven't had my fill of cappuccino and penguin mints for the day.

The problem with dragging the Office folder-- aren't the preferences/serial/whatnot stored elsewhere? I remember in my days of using a Mac and buying a new one I'd have to sort out the preferences files in the system folder to move my programs over to my new computer and avoid the hassle of restoring them. Microsoft programs, in particular, like to scatter things all over the place.

Who knows. Maybe OS X is different, I haven't bothered to touch it after experiencing repeated kernel panics.

-Sara

Re:And this is news...? (1, Redundant)

TheTomcat (53158) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085339)

Nope, this is the Mac, and not Windows.

I'd bet that almost all of the Office/OSX stuff was contained in Applications:Microsoft:Office:* or something similar, with only non-critical data like preferences external to that tree.

If it was Windows, you'd have to copy the Office files, a bunch of DLLs from the System Directory and a plethora of registry keys.

Installing / uninstalling software on the Mac doesn't often require the use of anything more than the original directory and the trash can.

Wait a minute... (5, Funny)

Trekologer (86619) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085224)

You're telling me that a CompUSA employee caught the kid and knew what the kid was doing? Did the employee still try to sell the kid the extended warrantee?

Re:Wait a minute... (5, Informative)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085241)

It wasn't a Compusa employee, just the author of the article; he did try to get a Compusa employee to do something, but the employee acted as if the writer was stupid.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

TheTomcat (53158) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085297)


Webb watched the teenager copy a couple of other applications. He left the kid to find a CompUSA employee. "I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless," Webb said.


S

Microsoft will sue Apple... (2, Funny)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085229)

under the DMCA for creating a circumvention device!

Re:Microsoft will sue Apple... (1)

vukv (550649) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085314)

no, correct thing to say would be that apple is going to sue apple ;-)

Re:Microsoft will sue Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085376)

It was Microsoft's software that was stolen not Apple's.

Wasn't Kevin Webb... (5, Funny)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085232)

The person featured in the story witnessing the theft a computer consultant in the Dallas area at a local CompUSA? I don't think he was an employee of CompUSA, else he would have stopped the little bugger.

Isn't that wonderful though? Can afford a $399 iPod but can't afford Office vX? Heck, maybe the iPod was stolen too?

Re:Wasn't Kevin Webb... (1, Insightful)

defeated (449449) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085324)

Can afford a $399 iPod but can't afford Office vX?

Probably just didn't want to pony up $400+ for Office. MS loses nothing when kids like this pirate their software because if they couldn't get it for nothing, they probably wouldn't buy it anyway.

Arrr, Cap'n

Re:Wasn't Kevin Webb... (1)

neuroticia (557805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085328)

It's not a matter of "could afford" it's a matter of the mentality of people today. "Why buy it when it's free somewhere else?"

Hand out iPods for free and you won't see many people buying them anymore even if Microsoft employees stop everyone who has an iPod and demands to see a license. Statistically you're more likely to get struck by lightening than be caught stealing software.

Unless, of course, you're in a store with a bunch of people watching you. It's sort of the equivilent of standing on the top of a hill during a thunderstorm holding a fork up in the air.

Personally, I prefer the opensource equivilents of MS Office. They crash less, eat up less memory, and have all the features I want for my word processing needs. They also mean I don't have to worry about a Hackers-esque scene taking place in my home where my computer is at risk of being confiscated or whatnot.

Prevent piracy- educate about opensource. =]

-Sara

Your are right! (5, Informative)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085355)

If the poster of the article had read the story he would have noticed that is was a customer who witnessed the iPod piracy. He contacted a CompUSA employee and according to the article:

Webb watched the teenager copy a couple of other applications. He left the kid to find a CompUSA employee. "I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless," Webb said.

Unsure whether the kid was a thief or an out-of-uniform employee, Webb watched as he left the store. "I thought there's no point in getting any more involved in this imbroglio," Webb said. "Besides, this is Texas. You never know what he might have been carrying."

CompUSA representatives didn't respond to requests for comment. Neither did Apple officials.

So basically the CompUSA people had no clue what was going on. Typical.

Also note that nobody was caught as the poster claimed. The event was merely witnessed, nobody was caught.

Slashdot: News for Nerds? Or Propaganda for the Im (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085234)

Slashdot: News for Nerds? Or Propaganda for the Impressionable?

Day in and day out, Slashdot sings the praises of "open source" software. New readers of the site must be a little puzzled to find items like "GPL Violation discovered" and "Open Source Guru Speaks" listed on the main page alongside the "straight" science and technology news. Unfortunately, few people really know what Open Source stands for. Perhaps Richard Means Stallman, one of the founders of the movement, can elucidate.


"[The GNU goal was] to be able to use a computer without using any proprietary software," [cnn.com]
declaims RMS. [cnn.com] "Because that way, you can lead a better life." Of course, the only way to get rid of proprietary software is to destroy the software companies that produce it. One way this is accomplished is by putting software that would normally be public domain under a license RMS himself created, called the "General Public License," or "GPL." Simply put, this license allows code to be reused-- unless the final product is distributed without its source code, as a proprietary product must be.


Software is a commodity, and people will often take the cheapest product, even if they have to spend inordinate amounts of time struggling with poor documentation and clumsy user interfaces. "One of the best things I could do with my life is: find a gigantic pile of proprietary software that was a trade secret, and start handing out copies on a street corner so it wouldn't be a trade secret any more," enthuses RMS. [free-soft.org] [free-soft.org] "Perhaps that would be a much more efficient way for me to give people new free software than actually writing it myself."


ItÂs time to stop the doubletalk and start thinking about the real meaning of intellectual property. By some measures, intellectual property is the main export of the developed countries of the world. Artists, actors, and musicians make a living off the intellectual property they produce. Programmers and engineers create designs to be sold. And journalists and writers depend on intellectual property. Ironically, the only jobs not deeply tied to intellectual property are the jobs many slashdot readers affect to despise, like service workers, menial laborers, and administrators. If slashdot readers canÂt stomach Scott McNealy, maybe they would prefer to work with Ronald McDonald. From the other side of the fast food counter.


Not everyone enjoys working at a menial job in the day, simply in order to slave away at poorly organized programming projects. Not everyone enjoys being told that he has the "freedom" to work, without pay, for a small clique of free software partisans. It is one thing to oppose microsoftÂs monopoly on the desktop, and the RIAA's slow strangulation of fair use rights. It is quite another to embrace a whole economic and political ideology that centers around the exploitation of childlike programming savants.


This message is not a troll, although many slashdot readers may take it as such. It is simply a warning to users to think carefully before they blindly follow the political lead of Rob Malda, Jon Katz, and the like. I encourage readers to repost the text of this message, and others like it, to the supposedly "free" message boards of slashdot and other sites.


Peace out, and God bless.

From the annals of the Troll Library [slashdot.org] .

Not Uniqe to iPod (5, Interesting)

freerangegeek (451133) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085245)

There are plenty of pocket sized firewire and USB drives on the market that could be used to do the same thing. The iPod differs only in that it's got a really cool interface and can double as a nice MP3 player.

Lee
A satisified iPod [apple.com] owner.

Re:Not Uniqe to iPod (1)

einer (459199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085311)

Other than the Terapin Mine, Archos Jukebox, those overpriced zip disk pens, and iPod, what other portable usb storage drives are there?

Re:Not Uniqe to iPod (1)

nullard (541520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085396)

You would have to use a FireWire device, USB is too slow. The store would have closed before he finished copying the files.

Mac Installation Still Works Like That??? (1)

gspeare (470147) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085250)

Forget the warez part of this story, I can't believe that Macintosh has managed to preserve its "drag the application to your disk" style of installation. I have to explain to my wife every six months that we can't just copy Application X to disk (or Pen Drive [pendrive.com] ) and bring it upstairs; it's more complicated than that.

Re:Mac Installation Still Works Like That??? (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085348)


Each installation style has it's upsides and downsides

Windows and Mac have different types, and Linux has about 50

Personally I like having a whole program in one folder. I hate the registry.

Re:Mac Installation Still Works Like That??? (2)

EricKrout.com (559698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085351)

*gasp*

What kind of applications are you two lovebirds using in the bedroom?!

;-)

Is that bad? (1)

gkbarr (124078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085372)

Ha, you act like this is a bad thing. Sure beats going through twelve installation screens and waiting for even more .dll's to be installed, none of which you will ever be able to remove from your machine without needing to reinstall Windows. Welcome to the wonderful world of Mac tech support.

Okay, the whole 'i'Products drive me nuts, and the original iMac was a POS, but you can't argue that they make a technically inferior product anymore. Most PC users still oogle over TiBooks.

-G

Hey Hey Hey (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085255)

It's FAAAAAT albert! And I'm gonna sing a song for yoooouuuuuu And maybe you'll learn a thing or twooooooo

And PHAT PHIRST PHOST

policing yourselves (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085256)

geez...this is exactly the fuel that the RIAA and MPAA need to 'convince' the IT industry to side with them on DMCA and other crap. I think that the person that copied the Office crap (thats just it, why would you steal crap?) should have his name and address published, so that he can be properly 'educated' in why that is not a good idea.

would it work? (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085257)

Assuming the twerp wouldve pulled this off, would the software actually work if it were just copied from one machine to the other? Knowing MS, they probably would make it difficult to directly copy the software in it's installed state, it would require the CD itself.

Re:would it work? (2, Funny)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085288)

d'oh! Shouldve read the article first....

Ironically, Microsoft has pioneered an easy-to-use installation scheme on the Mac that makes its Mac software relatively easy to pilfer.

Re:would it work? (3, Informative)

Buran (150348) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085304)

Actually, no, you don't need the CD.

I've done clean MacOS installs (which replace the system folder with a fresh one) and then, the next time Office ran, it executed the "first run" routine which placed the proper files back in the System folder -- essentially replicating the process of dragging an Office installation from one machine to another without the installer app. In fact, one of the install methods that the Office CD offers (at least, my Mac Office 2001 Educational Edition, since I work in a university) is to just copy a folder from CD to hard disk.

So yes, it will work when copied from the iPod to another Mac, at least if it's Office 2001 -- I don't know for sure if Office 10 does this as well, though we also have the educational edition of that. (I've never tried.)

The other way around... (5, Funny)

DickPhallus (472621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085259)

You could have fun putting files onto computers at the stores... nice goats.cx background or something... hell maybe someone will come up with a way to install linux from the ipod!

Virtual Shoplifting (3, Funny)

shawnmelliott (515892) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085265)

So instead of the traditional "Five Finger Discount" now it's the "Five Second Discount" ... interesting.

CompUSA employees (5, Insightful)

Geek In Training (12075) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085276)

From teh article: Webb watched the teenager copy a couple of other applications. He left the kid to find a CompUSA employee. "I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless," Webb said.

Isn't that a misprint? Should it not read: I look at him as though HE were clueless?

Sounds about right... CompUSA loser is thinking, "Yeah man, sure... the kids stealing apps off out machines with his Walkman. WHATever... don't forget your tinfoil hat on that way out!"

Just another moron who doesn't know his products or their capabilities.

(It's not just PC workers, even today's car salesmen don't know their product. I went shopping with a friend who wanted to buy a car in the same model that I own. My friend is an informed consumer; he and I had to correct the sales guy on model names, equipment on each, engine size and wheel size on three different cars.)

Re:CompUSA employees (1)

snowlick (536497) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085369)

He didn't even bother to check it out. That's pathetic, especially at a store where the mean price for merchandise is over $100. What the hell.

Then again, CompUSA has also told me many times that they have items in stock that they don't. They're too lazy to even give customers correct information... I own two Apple Studio Diplays, both from CompUSA. It was like pulling teeth to get them to talk intelligently about Apple products. ALL of my shopping had to be done online.

snow

Sadly ... (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085282)

.. this is the kind of innovation we need more of, and yet the kid will no doubt be labeled as 'Bad for Business'.

Someone hire him in bizdev!

Re:Sadly ... (1)

issachar (170323) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085388)

that's innovation? please... it's just being stupid enough to try and steal something out of a store with a portable hard drive. (Apple even uses the "portable hard drive" aspect as a selling feature). It's called being stupid. Stupid people don't make good employees, but they do make good candidates for a week in jail.

Warez @ Kinkos (1)

albert_tam (122783) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085289)

This kinda reminds me of the days when people (poor college students?) brought their Zip drives and disks to Kinkos and downloaded warez from the Macs and PCs. Guess those pimple faced fellows behind the counter were not paid enough to care.

This brings up an interesting point (1, Insightful)

CitznFish (222446) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085290)

If the kid was caught, would he be charged with stealing? He didn't take a physical product, he didn't even take the original. He mearly duplicated the files on his iPod. Yeah, it's software piracy, but do yo uthink the local police would have the time to even bother with this? It's not like CompUSA lost a sale or incurred any damages. In fact, CompUSA will probably sell 1000's more iPods just from this article alone!

Alan Thicke. DEAD (he also hated apple) (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085292)

I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon. [slashdot.org]
He will be missed :(



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Texan Gun Owner? (2, Troll)

MattRog (527508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085300)

"I thought there's no point in getting any more involved in this imbroglio," Webb said. "Besides, this is Texas. You never know what he might have been carrying."

What a maroon. Way to stereotype both Texans and gunowners. Sure, like some kid is going to shoot you for ratting him out. Grow up, turn off the TV once in a while, maybe even read a book, and shut the hell up.

Re:Texan Gun Owner? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085387)

I don't see a problem. People like guns and kill'n stuff/people etc Texas. 'Nuff said.

Re:Texan Gun Owner? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085400)

Why is this moded down as a troll? I can't believe this country anymore! If he wan't to call someone a redish-purple then he has every right to do so!

So beatiful.... (1, Offtopic)

Apreche (239272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085303)

I always wanted an iPod, since I first saw one. But I'm a PC kind of guy. Tell me there's someone out there who has written something to make the iPod work with windows/linux. I don't have money, but I have a credit card, I'll go buy one right now. Kid wherever you are, you rock.

So beatiful...

wait a minute, what's the story here? (2, Insightful)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085305)

Can't you take ANY external pocket hard drive or even a keychain USB drive and do similar things? WTF does this have to do with the iPod?

And you could take a camera into a museum or a movie camera into a theatre. But actually you can't because you'll get caught. So computer store employees should just make sure kids don't plug hard drives into computers.

Of course if software could be freely redistributed this wouldn't be a problem, but that's another long-running and tiresome story, isn't it...

There's no story here. NEXT!!!

Re:wait a minute, what's the story here? (1)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085323)

Did you actually read the story? Yes they talk about the keychain USB drives, but USB is so slow when compared to firewire it would be a waste of time. What is has to do with iPod is that an iPod was used duh...

Read the story before you bitch next time.

I had to look it up. (2, Informative)

namtog (247864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085313)

Unsure whether the kid was a thief or an out-of-uniform employee, Webb watched as he left the store. "I thought there's no point in getting any more involved in this imbroglio," Webb said. "Besides, this is Texas. You never know what he might have been carrying."
One entry found for imbroglio.
Main Entry: imbroglio Pronunciation: im-'brOl-(")yO Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -glios Etymology: Italian, from imbrogliare to entangle, from Middle French embrouiller -- more at EMBROIL Date: 1750 1 : a confused mass 2 a : an intricate or complicated situation (as in a drama or novel) b : an acutely painful or embarrassing misunderstanding c : a violently confused or bitterly complicated altercation : EMBROILMEN
Found it here. [m-w.com]

Classic store employee (2)

tiltowait (306189) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085317)

"I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless," Webb said.

Can't say I'm stunned. Most employees are either like this or the Dilbert electronic salesman that pays to work at the store. Or better...

Comic Book Guy: I'm interested in upgrading my 28.8 kilobaud Internet connection to a 1.5 megabit fibre-optic T-1 line. Will you be able to provide an IP router that's compatable with my token ring ethernet LAN configuration?
Homer: (pause) Can I have some money now?

Re:Classic store employee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085383)

That episode is by far one of the Best Simpsons Ever.

Does that mean? (5, Funny)

jmv (93421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085321)

Does that mean that iPod and computer stores should be illegal as they both allow to steal software?

Two inaccuracies (2)

drew_kime (303965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085322)

But [Mac columnist Dave] Horrigan didn't think the iPod presents a serious piracy threat to Microsoft, and doubted the company would take special measures to prevent in-store copying.

"If Microsoft puts in protection it almost always screws up and causes problems for them or their legit users," he said.


Since when has that ever stopped them?

Dennis Lloyd, publisher of iPod fan site iPodlounge, also said this is the first time he'd heard of an iPod put to such use.

"I can see how easy it would be to do," he said. "It's a shame someone has stooped this low to bring bad press to the insanely great iPod."


How is this bringing bad press to the iPod? It can be used to copy things. That's what it's designed to do. This is like saying that someone intentionally driving their car into a busy cross walk is bad press for the car. And even if we accept the premise that it's bad press for the iPod, I really don't think that's why the kid did it.

Copy protection (5, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085327)

Fortunately most CompUSA's have a security feature to prevent such unauthorized copying -- their display Macs are generally turned off, with the mouse gone and the System file deleted. Oh, and there used to always be a ladder in front of them [appleturns.com] .

Part of being an Apple zealot is going into stores and fixing the Macs up. I don't get why Apple can run such terrific retail stores themselves, but doesn't try to persuade CompUSA and Sears employees that, no, iMacs shouldn't have smoke coming out of them.

I guess that kid hit puberty early... (5, Interesting)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085333)

...because he sure has some huge balls to just walk up to a demo computer and try that!!

It's interesting to note that the article mentions Disk On Key [diskonkey.com] . A few weeks ago, my friend's place of business had a meeting, and basically the whole premise was that any visitors to the company had to have their keychains checked for such devices, as they were worried about people coming in to visit, and leaving with a copy of a database. I wouldn't be surprised if other companies start adopting a policy of searching for those types of devices either.

This gives me an idea now... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085336)

Carrying around an iPod might look a little suspicious, especially when it's hooked up to the store model Mac via cable.

Why not bring in a *blank CDR* and use the CD burner built into the store model Macs instead? Nothing would be visible while the burning takes place.

Oh...and don't really do this. If you do, it's your own fault for being stupid. Fsck, I'd better post anonymously just to be safe.

Mac people are crazy (5, Funny)

geekopus (130194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085341)

What is up with those people?


Dennis Lloyd, publisher of iPod fan site iPodlounge, also said this is the first time he'd heard of an iPod put to such use.

"I can see how easy it would be to do," he said. "It's a shame someone has stooped this low to bring bad press to the insanely great iPod."


Insanely great? Goddamn. They're all Stevebots.

Oh my goodness, what a surprise (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085345)

I can see the headlines now

SOME CONSUMERS ARE USING APPLE'S PORTABLE FIREWIRE HARD DRIVE AS A PORTABLE FIREWIRE HARD DRIVE
EXPERTS SHOCKED


Admit it.. you're just annoyed you didn't think of doing this first

Maybe computer stores should just hire people who know how to tell when people are copying huge quantities of files onto portable hard drives?

Were there problems in the 80s with people copying programs off of computer display models onto floppy disks? What about with zip disks in the mid90s? What did stores do about that sort of thing then? Why is this so urgent now?

Hehehehehe.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3085353)

This brings back good memories. Back in the Amiga days, early 90s, you could get some decent software on a 800k floppy. I wrote a script that would essentially dir/s>a:txtfile of the HD of a store machine, and since the Mig was mutitasking, no one noticed. Then I'd go home, figure out what I want, write another script to zip (or was it lharc?) what I want and copy to floppy... :)
Of course, even before that, I did some naughty hardware switch and bait: the Commodore 64 256k memory expansion cartridge was HUGE and expensive and heavy. My friend bought one. Took it apart, took the board out, put in a dead game and a 9V battery for the weight. Put it together again and you have a nice looking and feeling dead memory expansion. Bring back to store, get new one. Ha! Haha!!

iSupportBadJournalism (4, Insightful)

Multiple Sanchez (16336) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085358)

Wait, a front page story on slashdot is a front page story on Wired that's entirely hearsay. A computer consultant says he saw a crime, CompUSA didn't believe him, and that's news?

Not really new. (2)

Sarin (112173) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085361)

When I was a kid, a friend and I used to go to a computerstore, he'd keep the shopkeeper busy while I was making copies of the games that ran on the demo-machines on disks.

Taking with you a empty cd to a shop can do the same, with the cdwriters getting faster and faster,you dont have to wait for a long time, isn't there somesort of cd-writing app standardly installed on XP or MacOS?

Even if they catch you, I don't think they're allowed to see the contents of your iPod, cdrom or other data-bearer, at least not in my country.

I've never understood ... (1)

filtrs (548248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085363)

I've never quite understood why stores allow such easy access to their demo PC units. I realize that the idea is to allow shoppers to test the functionallity of the computer before purchase, but how many times have you walked by a demo to see a locked screen saver or a BSOD? This does nothing to convince me to buy and keeps me from trying out the product. It would seem retailers could come up with some better ideas.

I've seen demo units that play the crappy "here is the PC" movie over and over again, but that doesn't help much. At least put a few passwords on the things to protect the system.

Easiest way to prevent this from happening again ... physically block access to external peripheral ports. You don't need a USB connection or FireWire connection open on a PC on a shelf.

This is rediculous (0)

Ace905 (163071) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085366)

"Watching him, it dawned on me that this was something that was very easy to do," Webb said. "In the Mac world it's pretty easy to plug in and copy things. It's a lot easier than stealing the box."

Welcome to computers Webb. In the any digital device at all world, it's pretty easy to copy things. It's what digital devices do.

He must have been flabbergasted, like if someone saw how easy it is to steal OsX off the internet, or in an office where two computers are networked, or where people own "CD BURNERS". They're not just for the elite anymore, Webb. Maybe that's why zitty teenagers who make $5.00 an hour ignored you. My grandmother wouldn't give a sh!t.

Now watch as everybody who reads this article talks about how the iPod is a great tool for piracy. Morons.

This is a better web community. [myhometechie.com]

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-=A file folder with a hammer and chisel on top ... how honest can you be =-
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Prevention suggestions (5, Insightful)

kwashiorkor (105138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085368)

From the article:

CompUSA and other computer stores could take a few simple steps to prevent software from being copied, said Mac expert Dave Horrigan, who writes a syndicated Macintosh column.

Any Mac can easily be configured to allow changes only by administrators, he said. Also, a system profile tool logs all peripheral equipment, but it must be running to log an iPod. For Macs running OS X, a locked dummy file in an application's package will protect the entire file from being copied without a password.

But Horrigan didn't think the iPod presents a serious piracy threat to Microsoft, and doubted the company would take special measures to prevent in-store copying.

Here's a suggestion: Physically block the fucking I/O ports on display models. Put a locked metal bar across them or something. Cheap, quick, and effective.

Mac Attack! (1)

Zelet (515452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085378)

Funniest quote from the whole story was on the second page at the bottom:

"But Horrigan didn't think the iPod presents a serious piracy threat to Microsoft, and doubted the company would take special measures to prevent in-store copying.

"If Microsoft puts in protection it almost always screws up and causes problems for them or their legit users," he said. "

The Mac guy had to jab poor Microsoft:)

Total misue of the word "Thief" (0, Troll)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085379)

I tell ya, criminals of the world should form a union and crack down on this watered down version of the word thief. He didn't steal shit. He copied display software onto his iPod. Big fucking deal. The store still has their copy, which they probably didn't pay for anyways. He's a kid, he never would have bought Office anyways. It is totally inappropriate to associate this with shop lifting. The CompUSA dude was probably looking at this narq blankly because he didn't give a shit. Why should he care? It's not like CompUSA has lost anything. They still have the same amount of stock as they did 5 minutes ago. /rant.

Don't worry ... (2)

mcfiddish (35360) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085384)

We'll just send the BSA after this kid, and we can all rest easy, knowing the world is a better place.

Clueless? (1)

svferris (519966) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085389)

From the article:
He left the kid to find a CompUSA employee. "I went over and told a CompUSA guy, but he looked at me like I was clueless," Webb said.

I thought it was usually the other way around...

Aqua look (2)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3085392)

Anybody notice the cool 'aqua' look Slashdot logo and banner on this thread?

A) Cool Guys!
B) How you don't get Look'n'FeelSued!
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