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Multihomed WLANs from Intel

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the war-walking dept.

Intel 128

accessdeniednsp writes: "El Reg gives us some insight on Intel Labs' new software to let your wireless LAN card hop between various networks (802.3, 802.11, and 'fixed Ethernet' they call it). Perfect for us snoopers to walk by college frat houses and hopping on the 'net with our linux ipaq's :)" First company to come out with a "universal connectivity" PCMCIA card wins all the marbles.

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Multi homed? (1, Funny)

dadaist (544022) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092422)

I have trouble leaving my own home as it is. Please.

Eat your greens! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092519)

What do Claudia Schiffer and Drew Barrymore have in common with a gorilla and an elephant? They're all vegeturdians.

A vegeturdian is someone who doesn't eat meat.
This can be for a number of reasons. Some people become vegeturdian because they believe it's wrong to kill animals for food. Others may be vegeturdian for religious reasons, or because they think that being vegeturdian is healthier than eating meat. Others may just not like the taste of meat.

5,000 people a week decide to become vegeturdian.But whatever the reason,
there are about four million vegeturdians in the UK. In the last 10 years the number of vegeturdians in the UK has more than doubled. Now 12 per cent of young people are vegeturdian. That means two or three people in your class are probably vegeturdian. Why not find out?

You probably already eat some vegeturdian meals without realising it. Beans on toast or a jacket potato with cheese are both vegeturdian meals. If you eat a well-balanced diet, being vegeturdian is very healthy. But vegeturdians do have to be careful. Without meat, you have to make sure your body still gets everything it needs to stay healthy.

Always talk to your parents before making any decision about your diet. It's not as simple as just avoiding meat.

Vegans are people who avoid all animal products. They don't even drink milk or eat cheese. And fruitarians eat only fruit, grains and nuts. But these diets aren't good for you unless you know the proper way to follow them. Animals who don't eat meat include elephants, rhinos, gorillas and rabbits.

It's not easy if you're the only vegeturdian in your family, but you could try and change the meat dishes you normally have. Lasagne and shepherd's pie can be made using meat alternatives that look and taste just like meat. Toyard [] and Turdfu [] are good examples of this. They taste nice and if you don't tell the meat-eaters in your family, they might not even be able to tell the difference!

%s/vegetarian/vegeturdian/g (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093220)

A well-applied trollilian use of sed, my friend.

fp!!! (-1)

anal-johnson (528597) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092424)

two in a day, slashdot is gay!

Re:fp!!! (-1)

anal-johnson (528597) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092484)

awwww shiznit

A Guide to Stop Using Linux and Slashdot (-1)

LunchLady (555057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092427)

Hat Trick First Post!
Ways & Reasons to Officially Stop Using Slashdot

First, you must take a shower. You are very dirty and need to remove the smell of slashdot.

Second, remember that when breaking off ties with the other 'dirties' you need to change your mindset. This might not be so easy. Remember, you are a homosexual - this is not good and not normal. To stop using Slashdot you need to stop being a fag.

Third, delete the archive of goatse pictures you have on your computer. This is not a role model for you anymore. While he was your first love and the reason you continue to search the internet, it is not the direction you want to go.

Fourth, since 90% of you aren't actually using Linux (you just act like you are - which is of course GAY - see #2), most of you can skip this part. For the rest of you...begin by logging in as 'root' and issuing the following: rm -rf / Next go to the following link [] and follow directions. I know it will be hard because it is a nicely formatted webpage and not some obscure text file you are used to reading - but then again, see #2.

Fifth, this is the part where you admit to all your friends and colleagues you have stopped using for the last time! This is a big step, you need to be prepared. Here is part of a form letter you can use:
I [insert first and last name], have decided to officially do the following:

1. Stop being a ass pirate.
2. Stop using Linux (via #1).
3. Stop reading Slashdot (the gayest of all gay websites).
Now, send this to everyone in your address book and your conversion will soon be complete.

Sixth, STOP HAVING SEX WITH CHILDREN. You fags need to get it through your head that it is illegal and wrong.

Finally, remember that you don't like slashdot anymore. You hate it because it embodies everything you were: a dirty faggot hippie. To complete the conversion put the following in your hosts file:

We all know you can make it through this. Slashdot and Linux is a disease. Stop becoming the victim.

And one more line to hosts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093032)

...we can all apreciate that.

Added to Troll Library (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093445)

Dear Troll,

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You show a masterful skill at trolling.

Thank you for your time and your contribution.

Australia? (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092443)

What is life like in Australia? Is it enjoyable? What about all the censorship I hear about? Is it really a problem? It sounds like a cool place. I know Foster's sucks as a beer, what are some good Australian beers? Is a Ute a good car?

I want to know about Australia!

Stephen Hawking is a Fucking Fraud (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092457)

Stephen Hawking is obviously faking his illness. If he really had ALS, he'd be dead by now. He's been nothing but a fraud since the early 60's.

Everyone calls him "the most brilliant theoretical physicist since Einstein" and "the smartest man in the world," but truth be told, he hasn't done much of anything. The little that he has done will likely be found to be wrong if we ever get enough data from black holes to test his theories. People just say nice things about him because he's in a wheelchair. His real genius is realizing that people will believe anything a cripple says. Meanwhile, he's motorized himself to the top of the pop-science world by publishing a couple books really written by his graduate students at Cambridge.

Stephen Hawking is an ugly, demented man, and one of the biggest science frauds in history. None of the science he has published has led to any practical use, and the vast majority of his work is groundless speculation. Don't hold your breath waiting for him to discover the true Grand Unified Theory; that will be found by a real scientist, not some sick man pretending to be crippled. If Hawking's name is attached to it at all, it will only be so the real theorists can better publicize their work. His actual contribution to the theory will be zero.

Fuck Stephen Hawking for being an immoral fake. I hope some British tabloid catches him walking around the beach or something. And, while I'm at it, fuck Christopher Reeve for being a real cripple who gets better pussy than I ever will.

From the annals of the Troll Library [] .

Re:Stephen Hawking is a Fucking Fraud (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093013)

Sheer genius! Bravo!

Could you please note the fact that he is an immoral adulterer in version 2.0? thx!

Who does the hardware? (0, Troll)

Render_Man (181666) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092460)

My question is, if they are doing this with software to switch between those protocols, what new and funky harware are we going to need?

It would be really cool if they could get an 802.11 to talk to bluetooth and others.

Re:Who does the hardware? (2, Interesting)

keep_it_simple_stupi (562690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092530)

"what new and funky harware are we going to need?"
Not only this, but will the hardware be reliable? I recently set up a LinkSys Wireless router for a friend and anytime more than one PC generates traffic, the router simply locks up - it must be reset. If this is how the hardware is going to be than no thanks.
I hope someone is using their head and actually tests this equipment before putting it out on the marketplace.

Re:Who does the hardware? (1)

meatplow (184288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092741)

Perhaps you should return it as defective, or set it up correctly.

Re:Who does the hardware? (2)

tdrury (49462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092837)

The Linksys WAP is horrible. I had mine lock up at least once a day and needed a hard reset. I upgraded the firmware to the latest on the website (1.39.2?) and the lockups went away. But the wireless functionality stopped working. Check out DSL Reports [] and go into the network hardware forum for Linksys [] . You'll see a huge number of complaints. In fact, they had a higher rev of the firmware (1.40.x) on the site, but had to pull it because it was even buggier.

So I bought the SMC router/wap, and guess what - it's just as buggy. It locks up every 2 or 3 days.


Re:Who does the hardware? (2)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093585)

I would suggest looking for a Cisco home base station. Although they were EOL'd a few months ago they are based on a similar platform to their enterprise AP's. They cost more than the Linksys or SMC units but you get what you pay for. I have never had mine lock up =)

Yahoo News Story Is Better (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092469)

I think Yahoo News [] coverage is better for this story. They go into the technology more.

GOATSE.CX (-1, Offtopic)

DHR (68430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092567)


Just means people who are serious about... (3)

mystery_bowler (472698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092480) security are going to have to be even more "on their toes" about their wireless network.

I certainly think it's a good idea, though. I can imagine this kind of universal wireless compatibility preventing a lot of headaches for busy travelers when airports and mass transit terminals start implementing WLANs.

Now if I could only get my boss to let us put up an 802.11 network so I can code from Barnes & Noble down the street...

Coding in B&N? more like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092669)

making sure the shit isn't hitting the fan while you take in a peep show at the studio across street from B&N.

This was on techtv (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092503)

You should have seen this on techtv...

here is one mention of it... []

... Intel's Wireless Gateway and will let PC users go from a hardwired connection to a wireless connection and back, seamlessly.

Would be nice if I had some form of wireless network in the first place

Re:This was on techtv (0)

The MoMo King (562894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092615)

Just like Windows allows mean to switch back and forth between programs, seamlessly.

Frats with LANs? (3, Funny)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092510)

Maybe I've been out of college for too long, but the highest level of connectivity I've observed at most frats was the build-in beer taps.

Re:Frats with LANs? (0)

LunchLady (555057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092550)

Then you must have missed this article at MSNBC [] about the frat that put fibre optics throughout their house (30 rooms!). They got some local businesses and some of their alumni to sponsor the T1 link to the internet! Not bad!

Re:Frats with LANs? (1)

inerte (452992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092571)

There seems to be a dense white cloud running on air tubes from time to time too, but none remembers what it is.

Re:Frats with LANs? (5, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092580)

I am not in a frat, but I do have a wireless LAN in my apartment. Playing MP3s to the stereo from a laptop (and using it to surf from the couch) is far easier and safer (for drunken idiots) than running ethernet to the living room from the hub in my room.

I do phone support and I hear a lot of people getting into wireless routers b/c of the ease of having it run to all the computers in the house. Why not do it for frats?

And unfortunatly I do have a WLAN but no kegerator ;(

You are so funny (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092628)

You are so funny. You can make fun of people. You can apply sterotypes.

Do racial jokes amuse you too?

The people who moderated this post up should be ashamed of themselves.

Re:You are so funny (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092689)

umm, there stereotypes are true in this case, and *most* frats should be proud of it.

that's my opinion though.

as far as the "white smoke running through air tubes..." I KNOW WHAT IT IS ;-)

Re:You are so funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093289)

My fraternity has a DRY house. Nor are we a bunch of backwards, beer-swilling, womanizing assholes. We do have fibre to the house and two ethernet ports per room plus some near tables, etc. No, the sterotypes do not apply, they rarely do.

Re:You are so funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093637)

Sounds like a pretty boring frat.

Re:You are so funny (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092699)

Racial jokes amuse me.

Re:Frats with LANs? (1)

juggler314 (556575) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092822)

Perhaps it's because I went to an engineering school, but not only did my Fraternity have a LAN (which I installed) I also got the ISDN up and running back when the phone company sales reps didn't even know they SOLD ANYTHING CALLED ISDN. Unfortunately we have more data on tap than beer now:(

Re:Frats with LANs? (1)

KingKire64 (321470) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092953)

What you dont realize is that i have a bunch of friends in a fraterity and they are rather high tech. The one guys does the website [] and they run all thier partys off laptops with mp3s. No need to Worry about cds getting ripped off. Oh and BTW they were featured on collegehumor [] for the largest game of beer pong 720 cups

Re:Frats with LANs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093150)

People have been accusing fraternities for "networking" with each other for years...and
now it's true! I personally installed my chapter's CAT-5 back in '96.

IMHO, it might be more interesting to see what
some of the sorority house are doing with their
networks...streaming webcams, anyone? >:) (sorority) girlfirend just slapped me for that one...

Re:Frats with LANs? (1)

Icy (7612) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093573)

Well things have changed. My fraternity house had a major remodeling and had 2-4 ethernet drops put into every room in the 3 story house. For a while we were just connected via a dialup modem, but then our school ran single mode fiber the mile or so to our house (for free! & the house is not owned by the school). All we had to do was buy the expensive transceiver for our end, and we had access to the campus lan and internet. We thought the number of drops for each room was crazy at first, but then every Freshmen after my class got a Thinkpad laptop, and the extra drops in the rooms and even basement (for DJing mp3s through our huge stereo) came in real handy.

The marbles (-1, Offtopic)

DCram (459805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092513)

I will win all the marbles. No one can beat my dragon eyed marble for supremecy. Go ahead. Show me your prized marble and place it into a life or death comp against me and mine!! I will destroy you! I will make you watch me swallow your prized marble and shite it out. Then I will place it in my bag of looser marbles and show everyone that yours was my sweetest victory yet. ha ha haaaaa. You will all bow befor me.

Run.. Run from me and take your marbles if you value your stinking lives.

Re:The marbles (-1, Offtopic)

The MoMo King (562894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092535)

The east and west marbles must unite ....

wireless handheld: theory and practice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092515)

what the fuck would you be standing outside
a frat house surfing the net on an iPaq for?

surfing the net on an iPaq sure sounds cool,
but in practice it's just stupid.

especially outside a frat house in winter.

Re:wireless handheld: theory and practice (-1, Offtopic)

greymond (539980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092534)

how about outside my house in summer when its warm out and i dont feel like being indoors?

Re:wireless handheld: theory and practice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092585)

how about if it's so nice out, why dont you enjoy it instead of squinting at a handheld?

Re:wireless handheld: theory and practice (1)

greymond (539980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093213)

maybe squinting at a handheld outside IS my way of enjoying the "outside"

This is a GREAT idea (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092517)

This is a great idea but honestly I will have to wait and see how obnoxious the ads are before I decide to subscribe or not. I am not morally opposed to paying for Slashdot but if the ads can be lived with then I will go that way. Otherwise these guys can just sell their BMWs and drive Chevies like the rest of us.

purchase decisions (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092549)

Finally! another person who contemplates
the /. subscription policy before buying WLAN

I thought I was the only one.

New Software (1, Offtopic)

inerte (452992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092528)

Reminded me of the IWarez history. Getting software will be easier, and while you walk with the dog.

Maybe a MS Office Lane, or Metallica Street?

catching up with the mac (0, Troll)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092538)

"notebook switched seamlessly between two wireless and one wireline Ethernet network without skipping a beat. "

My iBook does that all day. It's nothing to get excited about.

You just can't beat the Mac's ability to switch networks on the fly. Since windows can't switch network settings without a reboot, this is more of an OS issue.

Re:catching up with the mac (1, Interesting)

x1l (258922) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092596)

Since when can't windows switch network settings without a reboot? Try windows 2000, or need to reboot

Re:catching up with the mac (0)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092696)

Change workgroups, NetBIOS machine name, or TCP/IP filtering rules. Pow, gotta reboot. So lame it hurts.

Re:catching up with the mac (4, Informative)

keep_it_simple_stupi (562690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092676)

You just can't beat the Mac's ability to switch networks on the fly. Since windows can't switch network settings without a reboot, this is more of an OS issue.

You need to get your information straight. This article is talking about completely different architectures being supported with no additional hardware.

Besides, any NT based (at least from 4.0 up to 2000 and XP) can change settings on the fly. As a matter of fact, XP can even retain settings for more than one network and automatically switch between the two, one w/ DHCP and another with static settings. Or you could use NetSwitcher [] to do it...

Re:catching up with the mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092714)

News flash: putting Service Pack 2 on Windows 2k causes any changes to networking to need a reboot.

Re:catching up with the mac (2)

CodeMonky (10675) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092859)

Not on the three copies of Win2k SP2 I just tried.

Re:catching up with the mac (0)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092752)

Perhaps I'm not reading the article right. No additional hardware needed to switch between a wired and wireless network? Excuse me? You're going to need a wireless card, and you're going to need a nic, one way or another.

Then again, I may be an idiot. I'm not entirely closed to that notion.

Re:catching up with the mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093259)

"Besides, any NT based (at least from 4.0 up to 2000 and XP) can change settings on the fly. "

Which paradise planet are you on? I've watched 2000 and XP not be able to recognize a new IP and/or route without a reboot. And no they weren't hooked up to smart switches either.

Until MickeySoft convinces me otherwise, 2000/XP networking still sucks.

Re:catching up with the mac (0, Offtopic)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093005)

Ok, so, just because I am a troll, this gets modded down as a troll, even though this wasn't a troll? I don't get mods sometimes. When the linked article mentions that they are catching up to the mac, and I think that's a valid point of discussion, that's a troll? I'm honestly trying to post a valid comment here.

To top it off, some non-troll posts an inaccurate rebuttal and is flagged as informative? Fact : you cannot change IP filtering settings without a reboot in Windows 2000.

Go ahead and mod me down for this one. I don't know why I let it bother me, I guess this just seems totally unfair. It seems like every time I try to fly right here, some arse mod comes along and tells me not to.

What we really need (5, Interesting)

vlag (552656) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092570)

What we all really need is a wireless nic that can be upgraded to new wireless standards à la 802.11x via firmware. The argument exists that we don't have the components to build these cards but I feel that this is where research should move. As it stands now, we are poised for a new standard roll-out every 8 months for the next few years. Anyone know about this type of tech being develloped?

Re:What we really need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092790)

Have you seen [] ?

who pays for firmware upgrade? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092901)

The current model is that new features = new hardware.

Changing that model to new features = software download is substantially different, and a little scary for business.

If they offer a download, they would need to charge for it: software doesnt write itself.

With all the headaches associated with verifying
software releases across multiple hardware versions, I think it's cheaper and easier for everyone involved to just buy a new $100 hardware
when it comes out, rather than deal with the buggy firmware upgrades.

Re:who pays for firmware upgrade? (1)

jerryasher (151512) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093261)

And yet, my sonicwall firewall works exactly that way. I bought it three years ago, it's out of warranty, and still it faithfully tells me each time there is new firmware available. That firmware may fix bugs, counter new attacks, or add other features.

I believe the enabling technology is that sonicwall chose to build on a extendible, scalable platform themselves. A big benefits is that their systems do get better over time, unlike most pieces of hardware or software in which each new device/version often moves the users back down the reliability curve until the bugs get worked out.

Re:who pays for firmware upgrade? (2)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093523)

Well for the most part you have described how Cisco's IOS development works, they add new features and charge for them accordingly. They also price differentiate their line based of features, eg a basic IP 3620 costs a lot less than a enterprise 3620 with EIGRP, BGP, IPSec etc. Now the biggest problem right now as far as firmware upgradable standards goes is that the PHY's lock you into one frequency range. There is some early work going into firmware defined PHY's but with current tech they are limit to the upper bound of the frequency range they can operate at. If the frequency for the new standard is higher than what the new protocol uses then you are back into the harware upgrade cycle and your origional part was more expensive. It's almost like regular ethernet but with quicker upgrade cycles. If you have been using cat5 then you only needed to upgrade the cards and switches, not the wiring, but if you went with cat3 because it was good enough then you have to upgrade all 3 components.

Re:What we really need (-1, Offtopic)

Jon_E (148226) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092925)

actually - what we really need is love .. sweet love - but yeah i'm sure a wireless nic that can be modified in firmware/fcode is up there too ..

Re:What we really need (2, Informative)

eqteam (322882) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093083)

Companies are working on 802.11b/a and a/g solutions, but you will not see $199 cards for this until 2003 (from what I hear). The biggest issue concerning the ability to support the newer standards via a 'firmware upgrade' is the fact that the 11a/g handle the air interface differently from 11b. This requires different/upgraded transcievers in the card itself, not to mention new access points.

To get specific, 802.11a uses a different spectrum (5.5GHz) and 802.11g uses OFDM for modulation at 2.4GHz, and both of these are vastly different (hardware level) from 802.11b. Secondarily, the other 802.11x standards mostly effect the MAC layer (QoS et al) and this is typically not handled by a general purpose processor, so just upgrading the firmware won't necessarily help here either.

Just my 2 cents

Re:What we really need (1)

vlag (552656) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093541)

I understand the underlying technology and that different gear is needed to work at different frequencies, but one thing I find to be lacking is backwards compatibility. These cards are being made smaller and smaller. Right now, they are being manufactured small enough to fit 2 802.11b devices on a single compact flash card. Area wise, we should be able to fit 4 on a PCMCIA card, no sweat. Antenna size might be an issue but other wise, these wouldn't be a problem. The real problem here is the fact that most of the manufacturers are more interested in selling new product instead of bearing out their existing product lines. I love the bandwidth of 802.11a but it just rendered my 802.11b gear useless. I try to turn over my clients' networking gear every 4 years with 1 upgrade in between. I'd far rather buy a $250 PC card every 3-4 years than new access points and cards every 8 months. I've stammered and grumbled enough. It boils down to this: why not examine the next few proposed standards, and put the transmission / reception products on board now and make them active with future firmware updates. As long as the transmission hardware is present, we could off-load the "work" onto the CPU like a Winmodem (which is the bane of my existance) or AC'97-style onboard audio present on those cheap motherboards. Not the most elegant choice, but I'd buy into it for a little longer product life.

This is not the first post (-1, Offtopic)

RMSIsAnIdiot (556315) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092578)

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Integration is the key to the success of open source software.

Aria Giovanni Cock Lengthening Troll version 2.0 (-1)

senior_troll (553809) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092584)

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Re:Aria Giovanni Cock Lengthening Troll version 2. (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092672)

Thanx for the props!
Give me advice about Australia!

Re:Aria Giovanni Cock Lengthening Troll version 2. (-1)

senior_troll (553809) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092746)

Give me advice about Australia!

Ok, the females outnumber the males there 5 to 1, it's a fact. I have family in adalaide I stayed with one summer when I was 17, back here in the states I maybe only had sex with 3 girls before I went to Austrailia. I got 5 different girls to touch my penis in such a way that it gave me an orgasm the 2 weeks I was there. Every one of these chicks BLEW DOORS off of the chicks at home. They call them Shiela's over there.

Just be ready for lot's of hot pussy when you go. Don't hole yourself up in your hotel room while you're there, be sure to hit up every hotspot you can. The legal drinking age is 18, but not really enforced. The stagetory rape cutoff is 16 so legally you can find some nice little wet highschool girl and stick your cock so far in her that her ears wiggle. Have fun!
--Senior Troll

JESUS H. CHRIST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093743)

fAWcking LIAR!

Australia is 5 women to 1 man and 3 of every 5 women are BUTCH DYKE shark FISHER(WO?)men and all have chapped and chaffed skin, hairy arms, and smell like dead fish and vomit beer.

I too live in Muskogie, Oklahoma and I left for Australia for the prospect of fucking more women. You fucking liars! LOOK AT THE F*cking CHARTS I MADE ON MY PLANE TRIP BACK TO THE STATES:

1 woman /per man | 5 women /per man
.001% dykes /fem pop | 70% dykes /fem pop
great head | don't ask, don't ask
rugged pussy | please no, please no

I lost my damn eye from a bitch that threw me onto some broken beer bottles. Sheilas my ASS! Croc Dundee probably had more luck getting his pussy from a female crocodile until he met the NewYork bitch.

Get a fucking CENSUS job because you are a great fucking LIAR!!

More info here: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092593)

Link []


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092599)

one ring to wank them all

one ring to cum them

one ring to bring them all

and in the darkness rape them.

Everyone seems to be doing this! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092625)

MSNBC is running a story [] about a fraternity house that put fibre throughout the house and also have a wireless lan in the more traditional areas of the house. A really neat project since it didn't cost them very much! Under $4,000! WOW!

Re:Everyone seems to be doing this! (-1, Offtopic)

RMSIsAnIdiot (556315) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092641)

This site is running a story [] about a fraternity house that gave liquor to homeless guys if they would stage boxing matches for them. Like a fight club. It's a hell of a lot funnier and interesting than... ethernet.

Ass Clown Moderators (-1)

LunchLady (555057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092692)

How is this post off-topic? The topic is wired and wireless lans co-existing.
Oh well...just another reason Slashdot is Dying.

CLICK (or scrutinize) LINK BEFORE MODERATING UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3092782)

Proving once again that moderators can be real idiots...

Re:Everyone seems to be doing this! (-1)

LunchLady (555057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092838)

Now that's just disgusting. Who would link to something like that? MSNBC is falling through the cracks these days.

Re:Everyone seems to be doing this! (-1, Offtopic)

RMSIsAnIdiot (556315) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093420)

Moderation Totals: Offtopic=1, Troll=1, Interesting=1, Total=3.

You know, I was trying to figure out what opened the browser window to goatse. But nevertheless "interesting, +1" I guess.

Walking around campus (2, Funny)

essiescreet (553257) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092679)

How the hell do you walk and surf the web at the same time? Those laptops must be pretty tough, b/c you'd all the time be running into things...

Re:Walking around campus (1)

matastas (547484) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092805)

Obviously, you've never undocked your laptop from your desk, and walked to a conference room in another part of the building, having to connect to a walljack and renew leases (or if Windows is having its typical day, reboot). This makes that problem vanish, with proper implementation.

Or, how about moving from one building on campus to another with your laptop packed up in sleep-mode, breaking it out in your next class ready to go with no hassle?

It's not necessarily for your literal WWW-on-the-go, but for the hassle of getting there and moving from net to net. Those of us who do have it (I've got my wireless NIC at work) would *love* to see that.

all the marbles (1, Offtopic)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092719)

Personally, I don't want any of the marbles. Keep stepping on the damn things late at night.

Is this a good thing? (1)

AndyMan! (31066) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092753)

What happens when you walk accross the floor of your office and your DHCP server disapears?

Or maybe a better example would be your intranet mail server disapears because now you're hooked into the Starbucks network?

Is thought being dedicated to when the user wants to switch providers?


Frats (3, Funny)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092767)

"Perfect for us snoopers to walk by college frat houses and hopping on the 'net with our linux ipaq's :)"

Call me crazy, but I don't remember most of the frats in my college being crazy about wireless ethernet. They were too busy drinking/partying/etc. I guess maybe if you're at MIT...

Re:Frats (1)

Durandel1020 (230673) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092936)

Let me get this right. You would rather snoop around a frat house looking to hop on the net instead of hopping in on the fun? hehehe.

for the numbers, im in a fraternity and every room is fully hardwired. Plus we have a 802.11 hub running for public access. Works great for sharin MP3 libraries during parties! And the 802.11 draws in TONS of geeks with ipaqs for us to throw water balloons at!! woohoo!


Wrong!!!! (1)

tacokill (531275) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093052)

One word: Porn.

Re:Wrong!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093507)

That's "pr0n", newbie.

wrong again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093690)

that's n00b, newbie

Power Consumption (0, Offtopic)

Jon_E (148226) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092824)

I don't understand why displays don't have their own power - I mean if it does take up 33% of the overall power, wouldn't it make more sense to have something detachable that I could swap batteries on rather than having to power down the entire system?

And where's the affordable goggles? If display tech is the limiting factor in portable devices, why not just have attachable goggles to a small base that surfs wireless WANS .. perhaps even visualize the networks you're attaching to a la the article on AR.

come on .. it's 2000 - so where's our rocket packs!? (go anywhere we strap them on our backs -DA)

Re:Power Consumption (1)

Jon_E (148226) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093492)

offtopic? I'm sorry - did you actually read the article?

"Sehert said the CPU only accounted for seven per cent of the typical power consumption of a mobile device (although the chipset accounted for another 13 per cent). With the LCD sucking up a third of the power consumed, that's where the problem lies."
in other words - why is Intel focusing so much on "Device Performance States" and s/w embedding when much of the problem they're trying to solve is external .. I mean big whoop - skamania can speak to several different protocols and switch between them, but if the limitation for implementing this sort of tech is in overall power consumption, why not separate the systems instead of adopting the "feature-creep linux model" one drug cures all ideal.

Today's Lunch (-1)

LunchLady (555057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092863)

Today's Lunch

Today I enjoyed a package of Jolly Rancher Fruit Chews Candy. They are very tasty and are very good. In fact when I was finished with the package I wanted more - however I abstained. Perhaps the slashdot crowd should learn to abstain from gay sex.

Thank You.

All your marble are belong to Nokia (2)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092941)

The Nokia D211 [] supports 802.11 and GSM/GPRS. I guess it's only lacking Bluetooth.

Re:All your marble are belong to Nokia (1)

tymesf (231615) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093178)

Uhh, what about cat5 and fiber interfaces? That shouldn't matter, but unfortunately it looks like it's a typical "TYPE 2 BUT WE MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCESS THE OTHER SLOT" wireless gizmo. If they're going to make it impossible to access the other slot, they'd better give me all the interfaces I need.

Re:All your marble are belong to Nokia (2)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093546)

That's what you get for buying a machine without Ethernet on the motherboard...

you can do much of this now (5, Informative)

The Pim (140414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3092964)

I do part of this (hopping between wired and wireless) now with ordinary hardware and software, although a few bits are missing. The key piece is proxy ARP, a nifty trick I had never heard of until I tried to solve this problem.

The basic idea is to set up a gateway on both the wired and wireless networks, and proxies ARPs on both networks, so that hosts on the different network see each other as if they were on the same LAN. This is a little like bridging--except that only a tiny bit of traffic (the ARP's) needs to "bridge" the two networks. The rest is taken care of by normal routing.

The trick is switching a host from wired to wireless without changing its IP addresses (so it doesn't drop any connections). Note this implies that the gateway's routing table has a host route (specifying the interface) to every address that is allowed to switch networks: you can't tell from the address which side its on, so the usual subnet mask routing won't work.

Pulling off the switch requires that the gateway be able to detect the switch, and then do two things: One, change its routing table, so that traffic for the address goes out on the right interface. Two, send "gratuitous ARPs" to other hosts, forcing them to update their ARP tables (since, if the host moved to the other network, traffic to it now needs to be routed through the gateway).

I think the most straightforward way to detect the switch is to have the gateway run a DHCP server, and have the mobile hosts renegotiate a lease when they switch networks. Then, add a hook to the DHCP server to do the magic whenever it notices a host renegotiate on a different network. For the mobile hosts to be identifyable across networks, they need to send the same client-identifier on both networks. Since the default client-identifier is usually the MAC address, this requires configuration on the clients (I edit /etc/dhclient.conf and pick one MAC address to use as the client-identifier). Of course, the DHCP server needs to be configured to give out the same address range on both interfaces.

Unfortunately, on the network I care about, my gateway is not the DHCP server. Instead, I run a DHCP relay. This mostly works--except the ISC DHCP relay doesn't have any hooks, and I haven't hacked it to add them. But it should be easy.

Another way to solve this might be for the gateway simply to monitor ARPs and do something when it notices a host switch networks. I haven't found a clean way to do this, and I think it might be less than perfect, because the host wouldn't get switched until it initiated an ARP transaction.

The last problem is that different systems seem to respond differently to gratuitous ARPs. For example, Linux systems don't seem to require them at all, because they (apparently) issue a new ARP pretty quickly after the old MAC address stops answering. But I can't get Solaris systems to listen to gratuitious ARPs at all, and they don't time out for minutes.

Also, gratuitiously ARPing the whole network is ugly. Ideally, we would would only send an ARP when we notice another host using a MAC that we know has moved to the other network. I have no idea how to do this.

Despite all the glitches, it's quite fun to switch to the wireless for mobility and back to the ethernet for speed, without losing my ssh connections. Improvements on this setup would be welcome!

Re:you can do much of this now (2)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093283)

The ARP thing can be done by monitoring the dhcp CLIENT end of things. If the IP number changes, broadcast ping the subnet you're on now, and the one you just left. That's enough for more hardware out there to get it's head out of its ass and recognize your host, and it's reasonably efficient, too. (Two small ICMP packets per network change)

Re:you can do much of this now (2)

The Pim (140414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093578)

If the IP number changes

It doesn't. Read again. But, yeah, you could trigger this off of whatever you use to switch interfaces (ie, PCMCIA scripts).

broadcast ping the subnet you're on now, and the one you just left. That's enough for more hardware out there to get it's head out of its ass and recognize your host

My experience is that hardware can be pretty stubborn, but I'll try it. Thanks for the idea.

Re:you can do much of this now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093502)

We've done that at my company, switching between an 802.11b network and our "4G" network, seamlessly. Our current network does this already, proxies ARPs and transfers the TCP connection between routers as you move down the highway. Quite cool =).

On a similar note, we've extended the range of 802.11b over several miles, using only software. All covered here: eleases/release_02_06_02.htm [] .

sorry , offtopic but this is important (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093048)

acording to an article att yahoo!news citing an anonymos source whithin the US gowernment Buch has activated a top secret "shadow gowernment" program proposed by eisenhower during the cold war but newer actiwated

Re:sorry , offtopic but this is important (1)

greymond (539980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093252)

actually theres more informative articles out there on this - its just that they are trying to set up and utilize the "bunker" for the senate rather than use the current building because they were worried about attakc son our government.

Cool... (1)

42forty-two42 (532340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093153)

Now what?

what do they mean with 802.3 *and* fixed ethernet? (3, Insightful)

ruud (7631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093312)

802.3 is fixed ethernet, see this page [http] .

Skamana (1)

mccrew (62494) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093548)

From the article:

Intel's demo showed Skamania (cute name) hopping between 802.11, 802.3 and fixed Ethernet, ....

Skamania is the name of a county along Washington State's southern border with Oregon, by the Columbia River.
Intel has a facility nearby.

Skamania -- a jab at microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093593)

Skamania is a severly underdeveloped, ass-end redneck county in Washington. I think its the worst county. Is the name be a jab at microsoft, or at the entire Puget Sound area?

Too little too late? (2)

blair1q (305137) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093595)

Why do I get the feeling that just as we get this problem solved, 100mbit wireless LAN will become available at reasonable prices?

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