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Zarf in Mac OS X Land

pudge posted more than 12 years ago | from the go-steve dept.

OS X 414

baruz writes "Andrew Plotkin (aka Zarf), award-winning interactive fiction author and Mac and Unix programmer, has not-so-recently posted a secret diary of his experiences installing and using Mac oh ess ex."

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Down with Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093811)

Caculus forever! No subscriptions!

fuck... (-1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093838)

thats what I get for somokin. another missed FP.

However, I claim this FP to the logged in trolls.

FUCK ACs.

Re:fuck... (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093910)

Fuck the ACs and FUCK SUBSCRIPTIONS.

Well claimed too :)

subscriptions (-1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094100)

I haven't commented on that matter yet, and I have only one thing to say:

The subscription model SUCKS. $5 for 1k pageviews? I can waste that $5 in one day if I am in the "first posting" mood. haha

lick my dog's ass.

Re:Down with Slashdot (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093874)

I wouldn't pay for this shit. I don't think ANYONE with half a brain would.

An explanation: I used to be a good, noble poster. Carefully wording every article to provide insight and wisdom to my fellow posters. Slowly, I acculumated karma, giving me the artificial peer respect that made such things worthwhile. Yes, I knew that karma is an arbitary value, but it made my contributions worthwhile.

And then one day I got bored. It was an article about European Patents I think. Something dull and boring... I think I got the first 15 or so posts on that one as an AC. It was fun.

In the end, the article accumulated a grand total of 2 relevant posts, the remainder offtopic. One of the irrelevant posts that I made was a couple of paragraphs under the title of the Linux Gay Conspiracy.

To my surprise, my post was followed up by other suggestions as to the latent homosexuality contained within the Open Sauce movement. And I felt encouraged. So I gathered together these additions, made some of my own, and kept posting.

And posting. And posting. Every sick, depraved act I could think of was included. Before long, the LGC grew to be one of the most comprehensive documents detailing the carnality and perversity of the IT industry. And, be honest now, it was funny. Crude and childish, but funny. A necessary counterpart to the morbid seriousness of some of the other posters.

In the meantime, I carried on with my regular account, posting away. Being diligent in my real contributions to the community. And then the main account got bitchslapped.

What was the need for that? Did it act as a deterrent to the anonymous trolling? Of course not. If anything, it just demonstrated the petty minded fascism of the Slashdot editors. The LGC was posted at '0', usually modded down within seconds. Wasn't that enough for them, to know that such a posting would disappear into the ghetto?

Of course, the LGC has now taken a life of its own, and my original account got back up to an acceptable karma level. Mainly by whoring and cutting and pasting high scoring posts on previous articles. Originality is discouraged by the Slashdot gestalt after all.

After a while, I strived for a new challenge, or failing that an excuse to spout obscenties like some Tourette's induced retard. Hence the birth of ringbarer. Suddenly, Slashdot has become an enjoyable experience again.

For all the wrong reasons.

So no, I won't be paying for Slashdot. I'll be installing junkbuster instead. Let the site fall to the fucking ground. It is, after all, symbolic of the crumbling OSS empire, where everything is free until they force you to pay for it.

My gift to the Trolling community? The Linux Gay Conspiracy v2.0. With even filthier acronyms and anagrams.

Quality.

Hmmm (0, Offtopic)

nugneant (553683) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093818)

Not quite Zork... not quite a PC... not quite interesting.

$lashdot Server Malfunctioning AGAIN (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093825)

For the second time tonight, $lashdot's backend is so mangled that I can't log in or view nested comments. Of course, we've come to expect this by now; it's not an infrequent occurance. My real gripe is about the complete lack of professionialism on the part of the $lashdot staff.

The site is supposedly viewed by many thousands of people every day. Presumably they have adequate resources, or they wouldn't waste their money keeping Jon Katz around. So why is their server down or screwed up so often? It doesn't reflect well on Slash, VA, or Linux; it's really amateur stuff. Isn't there a level of redundancy that could easily prevent these troubles? Hell, even trollaxor.com [trollaxor.com] is up and running tonight.

Another thing to point out is that I rarely see non-troll users mentioning these downtimes. Is the open source community used to sitting around and waiting until problems clear up? $lashdot's downtime is like an uncle's molestation conviction - you just don't talk about it, because it might bring shame to the family. Those fools don't know how to fix their own systems, but they know that however screwed up they are, they're still better than a Windows server would be, yes siree...

I suppose we can't expect too much professionalism from a bunch who don't even bother to spell check their stories. Hell, they obviously don't even read their own site very often, judging by the number of double posts. Maybe I'm the only one who finds it insulting to see a modern business run more sloppily than a high school newspaper. Maybe I've come to expect too much from a few washed-up, wannabe geeks from Michigan.

But all I ask is one simple thing. If you don't take pride in what you do, and you waltz through the world day after day without one iota of concern for the quality of the product you produce, aren't you just going through the paces? Maybe before they write another trite story bashing Microsoft's sloppy product line, they should take a look at the quality of the service $lashdot is contributing to the "geek" world.

From the annals of the Troll Library [slashdot.org] .

goa (-1, Offtopic)

avandesande (143899) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093834)

ouch! (-1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093899)

that's gotta hurt!

Brutal. (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094035)

Well worth the click.

OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (-1, Offtopic)

jsprat (442568) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093844)

I've read that Apple's newest OS is not pronounced "Oh Ess Ex" but "Oh Ess Ten". But almost anyone I talk to calls it OS "Ex". Does anybody know what Apple is saying today?

Re:OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (1)

hnyfld (551023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093870)

does it really matter

Re:OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093878)

It's ten for sure. I pronounced it "ex" for quite a while, too.. until I had actually hear Apple's promotional material calling it "ten."

Re:OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093912)

It has always been pronounced "Ten." I don't know where they get it, but every linux/unix/windows user that I have talked to about it says "Ex." Just ask Steve Jobs, it's "ten."

Re:OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (1)

hnyfld (551023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093940)

maybe its because X is roman for 10, just a guess

Re:OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (3, Funny)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093915)

The correct pronunciation is: Mac OH YES! SEX!

(Saw that in Dr.Dobbs I think)

Re:OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (2)

Zoid (8837) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094188)

That actually reminds me of a funny story.

I had just recently installed the public beta of OS X on my G4 Cube. A friend of mine and his girlfriend dropped by to visit and take a peek at it. His girlfriend was a Mac user and wanted to see what OS X would be like.

I was demonstrating some of the new features of the dock, etc and she turned to her boyfriend and whispered, "I want oh-ess-ex." He heard it as "I want oh sex." and answered, "What? Here?!"

Seems confusing OS X with OH-SEX can happen. Perhaps its not a bad thing to make an note to refer to it as oh-ess-ten.

Re:OS "Ex" or OS "Ten"? (0, Offtopic)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093947)

Does anybody know what Apple is saying today?

  • Fish.
  • Bottle.
  • Plunger.
  • Triangle.

Tomorrow they may say it in Basque.

I have enjoyed learning to use OSX (1)

Slaveway (562761) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094145)

the new operating system has not been so hard to learn.
OS7.whatever was just the same when I bought my 6100/60 way back when.
Overall very pleased with it.
Still needs to have some rough spots worked out.
My G4/400 had almost 50 days of uptime before installing the latest update.
PS
I know very little of UNIX, but I am learning.

Don't send in your info (5, Informative)

Pope (17780) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093861)

I'd just like to point out that I've had an install of OS X since the public beta release, and NEVER have I sent information in to Apple.
Another "journalist" complained about this then X first came out.
It's quite simple: when running then installer fill in the info, then when it asks if you have an internet connection, say no. When it asks if you want to register with Apple, say "later."
After it boots, go set up your Networking preferences, etc.

No info sent to Apple. I mean, how dumb do you gotta be to not realise that you dont HAVE to send anything in?!

Re:Don't send in your info (2)

RAVasquez (318309) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093983)

Oh, and you can Command-Q to get out of the registration without sending it in. Much easier than maintaining your web of lies to "Steve".

Re:Don't send in your info (1)

wohlford (199797) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093993)

It is actually easier than that to bypass Mac OS X's registration process. Just press the escape button.

Re:Don't send in your info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094186)

I actually quite enjoyed telling Steve I live at
123 Fake St.
How often do you get to work a Simpsons reference into an OS install?

Re:Don't send in your info (1, Offtopic)

pimpybra (561963) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094218)

But that's really not nice to give the address of Knifey Wifey to Apple!

Emacs (5, Funny)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093883)

Started Terminal app. Unix shell! Go Steve! Emacs! (Okay, Emacs 20, not 21. Close enough.)

Man, I'd love to travel back in time five years and tell a bunch of Mac advocates that within five years, Emacs will come pre-loaded on a Mac.

Re:Emacs (2, Funny)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094039)

5 years ago, they would have thought that Emacs was just a buzzword-compliant alternative to the Imac.

Dancin Santa

Re:Emacs (4, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094043)

Even better, go back 10-15 years and tell Mac users that a ton of their future counterparts will be excited to have a powerful Command Line Interface. :)

Re:Emacs (1)

SVDave (231875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094077)


Man, I'd love to travel back in time five years and tell a bunch of Mac advocates that within five years, Emacs will come pre-loaded on a Mac.

Emacs? Go back five years and tell them that vi comes pre-loaded on a Mac.

Re:Emacs (1)

elbles (516589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094161)

Emacs? Go back five years and tell them that vi comes pre-loaded on a Mac.

The better question is would a Mac user from 5 years back know what vi is? ;-)

Correction (1, Informative)

gralem (45862) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093884)

That would be "Mac Oh Ess Ten"

Re:Correction (1, Informative)

baruz (211342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094006)

As a Macintosh user since 1984 (about March, or April?), I do follow this stuff and yes, it is pronounced Oh Ess Ten. If you had read Andrew Plotkin's log, thoguh, you'd understand the reference.

Gee, I posted this to the Apple section, which I thought would get less attention and not slashdot Zarfhome. Guess it's a slow news day?

correction correction (1)

werd life (94886) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094084)

umm, read the article.

(hint: the guy who submitted the story obviously did).

fait accompli (2, Insightful)

dragonfrog (451722) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094123)

What determines language - what people actually say, or what professors of linguistics or corporate spin-mongers want them to say?

Steve Jobs may have wanted us to pronounce SCSI "sexy" not "scuzzy", but SCSI is (unfortunately) "scuzzy". Similarly, he may want us to call it "Oh Ess Ten" - uncharacteristically, he wants us to avoid saying sex - but it is "Oh Ess Ex", because that's what millions of people call it.

By the same token, Hoover PLC may own the brand name Hoover, but if you're in the UK, a vacuum cleaner is just a hoover, no matter who makes it. Copyright law is insignificant - they're called hoovers, because people call them hoovers.

What the hell? (1)

ralian (127441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094174)

Who's the moron that moderated this as "Informative"? This 'gralem' didn't read the post - he's just karma-whoring. Anyway, who exactly does he think he's informing about this pronunciation nitpick? The fanatics already know how to pronounce it, and those that don't, don't care.

Idiot.

Summarization (5, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093913)

Likes American McGee's Alice.

Hates Dock.

Doesn't get why you wouldn't want to have root access always on.

Doesn't like font handling.

Has strange habit of referring to Apple computer engineers and UI designers as 'Steve' ;)

Re:Summarization (3, Funny)

buzban (227721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093976)

excellent summary!

now, here's my (o-ess-ex user's) article-o-meter:


'stupid diary! - 57'


'good point! - 3'

Useless "article" (1)

cannonball_D (562305) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094042)

Your summarization was dead on, and leads well into my opinion of the post: whats the point? Frankly, this is the least interesting thing I've read on /. in a long while. Nothing new is said -- just a recap of someone's experience with OS X... been there, done that... months ago. Literally, everything in the article is summed up by daeley... slow news day, I guess.

Re:Summarization (2, Informative)

psaltes (9811) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094273)

troll, but I'll bite...

> Likes American McGee's Alice.

The full quote is "Pico-review: visually brilliant. No plot, ten-second gimmick idea for character. McGee thinks he's going to make a movie out of this? Then again, I went to see Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within."

I'm not sure that indicates like.

> Doesn't get why you wouldn't want to have root access always on.

hmm, I don't think this is what he was saying. Rather, his normal login was in fact 'admin' on OSX, but it still made him type a password (his own password), and the method of figuring out how to type a password was nonintuitive. And he seems to have been fine with using 'su' to install software, except for some reason (hard to tell from what he says) it wasn't immediately clear that this was specifically necessary.

> Doesn't like font handling.

I think what he said is that he didn't like the font selection interface.

it is oh ess ten not oh ess ex... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093917)

It is os TEN
TEN TEN TEN TEN TEN
In a world of windows XP and linux wiht it's Xwindows I understand why there are some problems figuring this out, but its been out for damn near a year! It is os TEN, a sequal to os 9. you know, math.

Re:it is oh ess ten not oh ess ex... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094051)

You must mean the X Window System.

PS: Read the damn article to see why he said it that way.

Re:it is oh ess ten not oh ess ex... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094142)

Maybe you're entertained by counterintuitive pronounciations that you know and other people don't, you teach them and they learn, haha you're so popular. Most of us find it idioting and are protesting.

I am the Queen of France! (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093923)

No more to say when a person happens to be the Queen of France!

LET THEM EAT PENIS!

This should be obvious... (2, Insightful)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093931)

"Bad design or stupid user? Hmm."

PEBKAC

Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.

Re:This should be obvious... OT (5, Funny)

GodHead (101109) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094285)

My favorite in-joke story...

A few years back, a non-tech co-worker asked if it was fair for a local computer shop to charge her $65 to fix problem. $65 is a bit much for a 30 minute fix I my mind, so I asked her what the problem was. She said that the shop owner told her it was just aother "Windows I.D. Ten T" error. Needless to say after I agreed it was a fair price and that she wasn't being ripped off, I about fell out of my chair laughing.

I.D. Ten T = id10t

Re:This should be obvious... OT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094320)

Please don't spell out the punchline for us. We get it. Really, we do.

That's why we don't throw our votes away in Presidential elections by voting for candidates with no hope of winning.

Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093943)

Bill gates will eat it for his lunch.

Slow news day, boys? (0, Offtopic)

d0n quix0te (304783) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093962)

Next news posting. How I uninstalled Windows in 24 exciting chapters...

Pssh!

Re:Slow news day, boys? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094037)

Maybe no one is giving them free news tips since they decided to start the whole subscription model.

Gay OSX Slashdot www theme. shoo fly shoo. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093964)

Started Terminal app. Unix shell! Go Steve! Emacs! (Okay, Emacs 20, not 21. Close enough.)

w00t, ida thinx i'm 133t3r /w xemacs, b_1 t44t's 0k.

Secret, Eh? (1)

Metrollica (552191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093969)

If it's secret, why did he post it?

Juggling clowns (-1, Troll)

pinkUZI (515787) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093972)

Man... and I thought Microsoft was making everyone out to be a moron with their progressivly ultra simplistic super think-you-not interface.
A scary peek into the one-button world of the Macuser...

Re:Juggling clowns (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094147)

Here we go with the one button mouse thing again! The Apple Pro Mouse doesn't have ANY buttons!

The mouse on my G4 has 4 buttons and a scroll wheel however ...

Having more buttons doesn't make you any smarter, especially if you use Windoze!

Article = LOL (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3093981)

Hire this guy and sack Katz :)

UNIX programmer? (2)

BWJones (18351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3093986)

Well, for a UNIX guy I am suprised he was baffled by having to enter an administrator password to install a package or make other system level changes.

Re:UNIX programmer? (2)

dthable (163749) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094015)

I agree. I thought the basic premise of having access to root was to not use access to root unless you really need to.

I also found his point about installing device drives to be pointless. Last time I used yast2 with SuSE, it kept asking for my password before I could even install applications. Why should OS X be any different.

Re:UNIX programmer? (2)

BWJones (18351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094046)

I agree. I thought the basic premise of having access to root was to not use access to root unless you really need to.

For security reasons I log in as administrator and just use 'sudu' whenever I need to make root level changes.

Re:UNIX programmer? (1)

gnu-sucks (561404) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094154)

that would be 'sudo' sorry to nitpick. and I agree, use sudo whenever possible.

Re:UNIX programmer? (2)

BWJones (18351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094215)

Gack!!! You are right! That's what I get for not pressing "Preview".

Re:UNIX programmer? (2)

ptrourke (529610) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094113)

Problem is that OS X doesn't set up a root account for you unless you tell it to (i.e., doesn't allow root account access from the UI), so at first you think that maybe your primary user account is root.

Re:UNIX programmer? (2)

Zorkon (121860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094187)

But you don't *need* the root account. sudo and the GUI version of it (the "click lock to make changes" dialog) are fully functional.

True, if you want an honest-to-goodness root account, you can pop into the Netinfo manager and enable it, but there really is never any need to. "sudo su -" or "sudo {sh,tcsh,bash}" work wonders...

Sorry? (2)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094262)

What is the point? It's a single user machine, why does it need security? If we're talking about protecting the user from his programs then what we need is a capabilities system that is intimately tweakable and preferably has unlimited undo accessible from a global event log.

Re:Sorry? (2)

BWJones (18351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094315)

What is the point? It's a single user machine, why does it need security?

OSX is NOT a single user machine. Like any good UNIX box it can have as many users as desired. Furthermore, if it is connected to the net, it most certainly does need security. Lemme have root access to your machine and I will show you what can be done by someone who (unlike me) may have sociopathic and malicious tendencies.

UI was broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094265)

instead of prompting for username and password,
you have to click an icon labeled

unlock to make changes

whereupon the prompt appears


go figure. This one had me stymied also.

Brilliant (1, Informative)

aengblom (123492) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094001)

Simply brilliant ;-)

"Unsure how to proceed. One True Way needs revision"

Re:Brilliant (2, Informative)

notfancy (113542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094093)

You should play his games, then. Zarf's narrative is immersive, evocative and depressing at the same time. "So Far" [eblong.com] is a massive cathartic trip.

I really don't care much for the problem-solving side of IF (I don't enjoy playing games, I'd rather solve math problems :-), I wish he would write a novel some time, because I do believe he has The Gift(TM).

It made me laugh... (5, Funny)

mystery_bowler (472698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094003)

...because I kept waiting for the grammar to devolve into Hulk-speak:

RARRR! No like OSX! Icons EVERYWHERE! Stupid Steve! HULK SMASH!

Re:It made me laugh... (0)

Gropo (445879) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094101)

lol your post made ME laugh ;D

Re:It made me laugh... (1)

gspeare (470147) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094258)

I kept being forcibly reminded of another literary work [amazon.com] ...

"OS X G4 fair dinkum thinkum. Bolshoyeh spasebaw!"

pointless read though amusing (1)

Leimy (6717) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094005)

Nice to know some made all of the stupid errors I made the first time too. It gets way better the more you use it.. Especially if you are looking for good UNIX usability as well as a great desktop.

Boot partition? (2, Funny)

Spock the Vulcan (196989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094009)


Booted "Mac OS 9 Install" disk. Used good old-fashioned tools to wipe hard drive and repartition. (Three partitions: 35 gigs, 30 gigs, 10 gigs. Plus a little one at the front, left unformatted -- I hear Linux needs something like that, and I can certainly spare a few megabytes just in case.)


I guess he's talking about the 1024 cylinder limit on older BIOSes, which crippled earlier versions of LILO, so the kernel image had to be on a partition within the first 1024 cylinders (usually 512 MB) of the hard disk.

But I thought that was an x86 platform specific issue. What kind of bootloader do the Macs use?

Re:Boot partition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094088)

PPC Linux uses an OpenFirmware hack to load on a mac platform. This particular hack needs a HFS partion that it can Bless as a system folder. MacOSX uses HFS+ and as such you need a small partion to house the linux bootloader.

Usability Woes (2, Funny)

notfancy (113542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094020)

Explore interface for a while. Not very comfortable. New UI like having sex with brand-new partner, while blindfolded and wearing mittens and half-drunk so you can't remember what goes where.

Maybe it's Zarf, maybe it's me, I can relate to the metaphor but I swear it was easier for me. On both accounts.

Stupid Steve! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094022)

If our man had a two-button mouse, he could have avoided all the problems he ran into.

Hell, if he ran Windows, all his prayers would be answered.

Secret? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094028)

If he posted it to the web, then told everyone on /.

How is it secret?

I've been using OS X for a while now (4, Insightful)

eet23 (563082) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094045)

What annoys me most is the "You don't need to know" attitude it takes to a lot of the things in it. For example, it's possible to get detailed info on startup, but they hardly make it obvious how. And the help features are incredibly annoying. One other thing: I think the designers spent too much time thinking "Feature X is cool" and not enough time on "Will feature X be incredibly annoying after a few weeks' use?"

Re:I've been using OS X for a while now (0)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094171)

The average user doesn't need to know. The advanced user will read Apple's techpups, then post it to macosxhints [macosxhints.com] .

I'm wondering what feature it is that you're so annoyed with? Give examples, maybe I can help.

Command+V (3, Informative)

babymac (312364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094312)

Hold down Command+V at boot up and you'll get a detailed startup description (verbose).

Enjoy.

Silly sod... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094067)

Hmmm.

disclaimer: I don't know Zarf and don't want to speak (or make guesstimates) of his intelligence level. But one presumes that he is at least somewhat familiar with Unix and Linux derivatives. Based on his comments, he seems to be bumbling around OS X and having more trouble than the average shmoe.

Case in point: "Click the lock to make changes" and he's completely lost? For crying out loud buddy, a new dialog is presented with only one choice on it! What to do... hmmm... try the "any key", I hear that works.

Seriously, he seems quite confounded by this simple dialog. Hint: It's asking you to enter a password to perform an admin-level function. What text-based utility have we seen that does this? "sudo" perhaps? This dialog is the graphical equivilent of sudo. I get the feeling good ol' Zarf tends to leave himself logged in as "root" on his Linux box...

Dumb user? Or simple case of unfamiliarity in new operating environment. Quick! Vote now!

page custom look (0)

MrBlic (27241) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094069)

um... has anyone noticed the 'aqua' look to the slashdot logo at the top of the page? I _love_ it!

I have a mac in front of me on my desk that I would love to install OS X on... but am _sure_ that it will be a huge brain-drain and take much too much time. Can anyone out there give me a reason to take the time?

(I am currently using a laptop with swappable hard drives booting Debian Sid on one, and Win2k on the other) Who needs OS X???

-Jim

Delete user (2)

BWJones (18351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094089)

Cleaning up mistake: "Delete User" on redundant "guest" account. Dialogue: "This user will be permanently deleted. The home folder will be reassigned to the administrator..." Choice of "System Administrator" or "Andrew Plotkin". Choose "Andrew Plotkin". Okay. The "guest" folder in Users is now changed to "guest Deleted". Don't need it, drag to trash...
"The item 'guest Deleted' cannot be moved to the Trash because it cannot be deleted."
What??


This is for security reasons. In order to delete the user, go to terminal and type "sudo rm -rf /Users/shortname\ deleted"

say it with me... (2, Informative)

option8 (16509) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094099)

"Mac Oh Ess TEN"

Ten Ten Ten

"Ecks" is reserved for X (as in X11)

thank you.

Re:say it with me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094155)

"Ecks" is reserved for X (as in X11)

Or 'OS X'...

Re:say it with me... (1)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094226)

Do you mean X10 [x10.com] ?

Re:say it with me... (3, Insightful)

Cid Highwind (9258) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094241)

Then why doesn't Apple spell it "MacOS 10"?
"X" is an "ecks", not a "ten" to us English-speaking folk. If we were discussing a Roman operating system, I might agree with you, but in the US, "X" is a letter, not a number!

I mean, if Apple released an operating system calles "MacOS +" everyone would call is "mac oh ess plus", not "mac oh ess ten" even though "+" is the Japanese character for 10.

I say, as long as it says "OS X" on the box, we can call it "oh ess ecks". The hell with what Steve Jobs calls it, what does he know about Macs anyway ;-)

Re:say it with me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094270)

Windows XP...

Windows 10 P...

Windows Tempe?

Could 'Arizona' be the codename of the next Windows rev? Hmm...

Yes, that's about as stupid as Mac fanatics' chirpings.

Pretty good article (5, Insightful)

fritter (27792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094129)

I think this outlines a fundamental problem in switching between OSen, though. When I first installed X, I installed ASM Menu, FruitMenu, everything I could find to make it as much as possible like MacOS 9. Over time, though, I've started trimming these bits back out because they really aren't neccesary. I was just trying to force my old UI preconceptions onto what was an entirely new OS, instead of adapting to fit what the UI was designed for.

In general, though, this article was really on point with a lot of the interface crap Apple has piled on in recent years (I hate Sherlock!!!). Although his hatred of animations might have shown a need to move on from OS9 - does he realize OSX is preemptively multitasked, thus allowing you to do other things while the app icon slides out of the dock? :)

All in all, even with the occasional human interface snafu, I love MacOS X. It's still a mite bit slower than OS 9, but the overall experience and quality makes booting into 9 seem like travelling back in time 20 years. The development environment is unmatched, and it's like running 3 OS's worth of software (OS9, OSX, and GNU/Linux/BSD/OSS/Gnome/what-have-you).

Plus I like those little animations. :)

Re:Pretty good article (2, Informative)

DebtAngel (83256) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094247)

He specifically mentions that he's been trained to watch every animation he sees. Besides, if you want to click on a button on the thing that's sliding out of the dock, and its taking far too long to slide out of the dock, I can see frustration building there.

And you want me to pay for this? (4, Funny)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094137)

I use MacOS X. I love Apple. I would even take a bullet for Steve. Woz that is. But if you want me to sign up for subscription service can you stop with these lame Apple stories? iWarez was bad, this is unbearable.

If you don't do better, I won't subscribe and tweak my Squid+SquidGuard config to ignore big ads Slashdot on my OS X box.

So there! Plus I haven't gotten a wedding invitation, yet!

ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094150)

this guy is a moron

Be careful about repartitioning a new Mac! (2, Informative)

melatonin (443194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094165)

When you've got only one internal drive, it's always a good idea to make two partitions. When one fails for whatever reason, you can still boot from the other (always keep a backup System handy!). This is essential (or at least makes it very easy) to run DiskWarrior and Norton (not that you would ever want to run Norton... at work my co-worker had a slightly old Norton, and while he was running in OS 9 it automagically scanned his hard drive for errors, and changed every .dot file to a _dot file on his mounted OS X partition. Crap on a stick.).

Back to the subject, I bought my Mac when iTunes was new. I fooled around with it for a few minutes, and found that it came with a HOARD of good MP3 files. I dumbly thought that the Software Restore CD would put them back after I wiped the drive and repartitioned.

I was wrong :( I'd love to get those back.

Mac oh ess ex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094175)

I didn't realize people actually pronounced it this way. Forget whether you say X or 10, but 'oh ess'? Why pronounce the letters separately.. surely you say OS as it's written.. 'os'? At least here in the UK, MacOS has always been said 'maK-oS'.

OSX Migration (5, Interesting)

ink (4325) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094180)

We just finished moving about a quarter of our Mac users to OSX. It was almost painless; I was expecting many problems from different people about the new design. One user even went from OS8 to OSX on a B&W G3/300/192MB, and I haven't heard a peep from her since. The most "power" user we have runs Photoshop, Pagemaker and Illustrator, all of which run under Classic and she had the most problems migrating -- but after a couple of weeks of using it , she stopped in to thank me and to inform me that she hadn't had to reboot her Mac in over a week. Previously it was at least once a day (ie, "System Error -1 : Restart your Macintosh"). They unversally love the dock, and the all seem confused by the new finder. They also don't like the s l o w window resizing, but the consensous is that it's well worth the niggles and bugs that do exist.

I would love.. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094206)

..to see a review of the OS X UI issues from a Linux or Windows centric perspective. PLEASE NOTE: I acknowledge the right of long-time OS 8/9 users to find pain in the new OS, but I'm not one of those.

I'm a Windows (at work) and Linux (at home) user who is growing a little fed up with both (okay, HATE Windows; Linux is starting to drive me a little nuts).

Fact is, I've got a clean RH 7.2 install sitting on nice hardware and half my apps don't work properly (Konquerer crashes, old Netscape sorta runs but has rendering problems, Mozilla -- forget it, Opera won't even start up -- haven't installed the just released beta yet).

I prefer KDE to GNOME, but after being into computers for over 15 years, the fact is, none of these systems work as well as they should. We've got 20+ years of consumer-level industry experience behind computers and they still suck.

Windows 2000 is almost serviceable, but XP is the bastard son of MS' strategy for hobbling half the OS against 3rd party media app incursions.

There are power management, sleep and hibernate issues that MS won't fix in W2K and that aren't that much more stable in XP. Hibernate twice and chances are things will start dying if you try anything. Drivers suck -- I can't set my desktop to sleep because the f&$king HP USB drivers pop up a dialogue after the machine wakes up every time. The only option is to LEAVE MY PRINTER DISCONNECTED BETWEEN USES. But yeah, my wife's a media artist -- she kinda needs the color printer. So much for my Energy Star compliant computer.

My laptop has 256MB ram and web pages can still choke media. My desktop has 512MB ram and switching among 2 users make it feel like a slug.

My latop is 1.5 years old and shipped, without me noticing (my bad), with ACPI. No linux power management..

I'm inclined to tell people who want to buy a computer not even to bother. Use the one at work for your email and spare your home life from the misery that is the modern computer industry.

uh-yah, sure, whatever... (1)

ckuhtz (87644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094214)

give me a break.

if this article achieved one thing, it made me
feel sorry for apple's tech support gnomes.

i must've misplaced the friday flamebait warning
label on the slashdot article. hmm.

Start Button? (0, Troll)

KingKire64 (321470) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094227)

I should quickly explain his "One True Way". Basically, whenever he gets a Mac, he arranges the applications according to his own personal prejudices. He creates a top-level applications folder, called "Packages", and then creates a dozen subfolders inside that: Text, Video, Image, Sound, Disk, File, and so on. All applications go into one of these subfolders. He then puts an alias to Packages into the Apple menu. The Apple menu also contains a folder containing links straight to the top ten or so apps. So from the Apple menu, he can get to those apps very quickly; or he can also take the long route, and navigate anywhere in the Packages tree. I've tried this, and it really is pretty handy -- you can open "Packages:Image", for example, and see all the image-editing apps on the machine listed together. The standard all-in-one "Applications" folder of OSX seems very cluttered in comparison.


I know im going to get a troll for this but what he is describing sounds alot like the start button on Windows and Xwindows... That is one thing that always buggerd me about macs...

Umm...well, no... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094268)

It's just that this guy's organized...so what?

I do the same thing on my Windows / Mac / *nix machines.

It has nothing to do with the machine / OS, and everything to do with the person using it.

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094249)

For a so called UNIX programmer, this guy is slow on the pick up. As was stated earlier, the registration process is easy enough to skip, escape, command q , and just say you don't have an internet connection, command q option is obviouse to the Mac people, escape is useualy tried by most users, but I think 90% of experienced computer users would know it cant send information to Apple if you tell it you have no internet connection.

OSX uses a propriatary boot loader, though I have heard it's similar to BootX which came with Linux PCC, though they share no code, this is acording to the writier of BootX as stated on Macslash. I guess he would use that 1 gig parition as a scrap disk, though OSX perfers RAM.

These comments are all derived from comments already posted as I can't get to the article, damn slashdot effect.

New OSS slogan. Free as in America read: not free

Playing the Old Games Now (2)

daeley (126313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094253)

On a related subject, you can use the Mac OS X app Frotz [versiontracker.com] to play all the old text-based interactive fiction games like Zork, HHGG -- basically the Infocom and Z-Code games.

Zarf vs. Steve--This Time, It's Personal! (5, Interesting)

christopher_mcca (513738) | more than 12 years ago | (#3094263)

I honestly can't say that I've encountered anywhere near the level of frustration that Zarf seems to have met with in his foray into the world of OS X. Maybe I've just been lucky; or, maybe I've spent more time actually trying to use my Mac than trying to beat the bejesus out of the UI until it perfectly matches my own personal internal representation of the perfect interface.

Don't get me wrong: I think it's perfectly valid to point out OS X's present shortcomings, or to mention areas of the UI that you wish were different. But for Christ's sake, please stop construing the fact that Apple didn't personally ask you how to implement each aspect of the UI as a failure on their part.

In the end, the diary gave me a vicarious headache as I envisioned the author's bitter moment-to-moment struggle with Steve's hegemony over his desktop. At points, particularly during the Administrator Password Crisis, it started to sound like the Al Gore sketch that Darrell Hammond did on SNL during the Florida mess.

So
how do you vote? Do you circle a candidate's name? Do you underline it? Or do you write it on the arrow? Or underneath? Or maybe it's the dots. Do you write the candidate's name on the dots? They seem sort of small. Maybe just his initials. Or do you color in the dots? If so, in what color? Maybe you scratch the dots with the edge of a penny. Or lick the dots. Again, this ballot does not spell it out.

Zorak is better than Zarf. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3094302)

Zorak doesn't speek so piss poor.

And kiss my ass, SpaceGhost.
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