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Toonami Producer on Editing Process

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the worth-a-read dept.

Anime 247

Bonker writes "Anime News Network is featuring an interview with Jason Demarco, senior writer and producer for Cartoon Network's 'Toonami' block. Mr. Demarco explains why and how the editing process for several anime shown on Toonami, Midnight Run, and Adult Swim happen, as well as the pressure they're under to produce a product acceptable not only to fans but to parents as well. " Gives an interesting perspective on what CN goes through to get certain anime on US TV. I've said it before, but I'd still love a Toonami channel that didn't need to edit (or maybe just less). I watch more Toonami then any channel.

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Dear RoboTroll, (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122399)

You truly are a man to be honored and revered. Because of you, I laughed this morning. I laughed and felt full of joy because you trolls are genuinely funny. Without your trolls, I am not sure what I would do. Probably live a depressed, boring, meaningless life. Thank you so much [] for the joy [] you bring to my life [] .


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Re:Dear RoboTroll, (-1)

DarkShitter (527252) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122479)

There once was a RoboTroll -
All the first posts he stole -
All other attempts would fail miserably -
or were lame, invalid or null.

WTF!? $lashcode bug #98934 (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122669)

What the fuck is $lashdot up to now? The title keeps changing from "Toonami Producer on Editing Process" to "Tonami Producer on Editing Process". Which is it?

It has caused multiple reposts on the same story. Sorry but its yet another $lashcode bug, not my bug of course.

FABP (-1)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122405)

First ad-blocking [] post!
But not First post. That honour went to the guy smootching Robo Troll's ass.

you can't say that on television (0)

Cryptopotamus (460702) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122409)


Title? (0, Offtopic)

Cheetah86 (136854) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122411)

That should be 'toonami' not 'tonami'!

Re:Title? (0)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122440)

Kind of a new low, isn't it?

Seriously, guys, it just isn't that hard to proofread posts. Ask the FedEx guy for help if you have to.

Re:Title? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122447)

That should be 'toonami' not 'tonami'!

Actually, that would make a great ad for French viewers: "toonami, ton ami" (which means "toonami, your friend" for the foreign language challenged). A bit cheesy, but still.

more boring anime crap (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122416)

I cant wait to pay my subscription fee to defray the editors' childish preoccupations. Anime is sucky commercial animation. As art, it's inferior to such even such stalwart American favorites as "Dogs Playing Poker" or "Elvis on Black Velvet."

On balance, I find /. utterly inane on pretty much every level.

And yet... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122459)

you continue to read and post. Admit it. You're addicted.

why the 18+ (2, Interesting)

CmdrTaco (editor) (564483) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122418)

Why does the adult swim have to be so highly rated if they censor it? I watch anime to see lots of action (with blood of course) and at least some partial nudity. They might as well censor it down completely if they cut that stuff out.

Re:why the 18+ (4, Informative)

kesuki (321456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122554)

Cartoon Network isn't running seperate feeds for east coast/west coast. Sceptics should check the showtimes [] .
That means that a show in adult swim is showing in the same time block as primetime, which means they need to keep it to primetime TV standards and that is TV-14. Remember all the trouble MTV got into for not having standards for Beavis and butthead? They aired it in prime time, but had too much swearing and violence and ended up putting the show into the 11 PM eastern time slot. Sticking to the TV-14 standards makes sure the shows are edited down to what you can see in shows like NYPD blues. If they ran the seperate feeds for each coast and aired around the time southpark does they could loosen the standards a little.
Oh and the 18+ is what is known as a 'marketing' gimic. They know there are a lot of anime fans out there. If they can get more of them to watch slightly edited 'adult swim' blocks it makes more animes possible to bring over.
BTW TV-14 does allow brief nudity, so they could for instance have run un-edited tenchi if it had been an adult swim program instead of a toonami block. I also hope they do more of the uncut midnight run. Gundam wing was shown uncut there and that was really awesome of them. I know you have a Tivo so if they do more uncut midnight runs you'll be sure to catch them.

Re:why the 18+ (2)

TheAJofOZ (215260) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122635)

Cartoon Network isn't running seperate feeds for east coast/west coast. Sceptics should check the showtimes [].

It goes a bit further than that though - I'm in Australia and watching all the same programming. They do take into account the different time zone (so the midnight run is on at midnight) but don't seem to change much else. All the shows seem to appear on /. at the same time they appear on my TV set.

Australia of course, has an entirely different rating system to the US (largely based on the same ideas) so I would expect that CN is not only paying attention to what the American ratings allow but also what the Australian ratings allow. Same goes for audience complaints, they could come from anywhere.

Re:why the 18+ (2, Informative)

Zogg (238055) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122643)

Actually, what you're seeing there is an error in the Cartoon Network online grid. If you're on the east coast, check your local listings (as well as your TV) and you'll see that everything is shifted 3 hours later than what the online grid says. (Why is it like that? Got me, however that grid tends to be flakey on a regular basis.)

Cartoon Network does in fact have 2 feeds, 1 for East and 1 for Pacific. Mountain people get the Pacific feed (putting their showings 1 hour later than pacific) while central gets the east coast feed (making those showings 1 hour earlier.) So, that means... Adult Swim airs from 10pm - 1am (East/Pac), 11pm-2am (Mountain), 9pm-12am (Central). Given that primetime runs until 10pm (I believe), this would put the last hour of AdultSwim in this "less stringent" zone you speak of.

The truth is, the editting has nothing to do with the timeslot regulations, and everything to do with the Cartoon Network policy of not going over TV-14. It doesn't matter when it airs, CN wants any time to be at least "relatively" kid-friendly. The fact that AdultSwim got TV-14 at all is simply an experiment based on Toonami: The Midnight Run's ratings.

Re:why the 18+ (2, Informative)

TotallyUseless (157895) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122649)

i think thats 'CmdrTaco (editor)' not 'CmdrTaco' the editor. so no, you prolly dont know if user #564483 has a tivo.

Quick Summary (5, Funny)

tb3 (313150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122419)

Q: How do you determine what to edit?

A: Whiny parents screaming, "Won't somebody think of the children?"

I Hate Anime (-1)

tealover (187148) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122420)

Who's with me?

Taco, can you fascinate yourself on your own time?

Thank you

Yeah cartoons... (-1)

j0nkatz (315168) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122421)

That's high tech news there! NOT!

Thank God for AdSubtract Pro!!!

boobies and penises (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122422)

i like them both, because both are fun and bouncy and warm and they are fleshy wonderful, and they both get my own weiner very bouncy warm and stiffy. have you all noticed that slashdot is starting to suck?

Re:boobies and penises (0, Offtopic)

sithkhan (536425) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122453)

For the record --- Plural of penis is penes ...

Re:boobies and penises (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122742)

No it's not. It's penii.

Subtitles? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122424)

It'd be really nice to have a Toonami channel that had only subbed anime (for those of us who don't prefer dubs). It'd certainly save me money, as I waste my money on tons of DVDs.

We love you CmdrTaco! (2, Insightful)

micromoog (206608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122426)

Tonami Producer on Editing Process

It's good to see our subscription dollars hard at work, with CmdrTaco always finding new and more obvious ways to misspell the headlines.

Re:We love you CmdrTaco! (1)

nzkoz (139612) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122599)

You forgot then/than his favourite silly mistake.

I watch more Toonami then any channel.

I really don't understand how he can keep making it. The keys are nowhere near one another (different fingers & rows man!)

Re:We love you CmdrTaco! (1)

I2*R (557677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122769)

...assuming he's using a QWERTY keyboard

s/tonami/toonami (nt) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122427)


Ya know... (1)

Slarty (11126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122428)

There's more to Toonami than Anime. (Although not much more these days) I know this may put me in the vast geek minority, but I'm just not a big anime fan. And for the record, it's really annoying now that SGC2C is down to once a week...

SGC2C??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122438)

And for the record, it's really annoying now that SGC2C is down to once a week...

hmm... because it sucks and it's terribly boring?

Re:Ya know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122667)

AFAIK, Toonami is the name for Cartoon Network's anime block on Saturday. Adult Swim is their name for the other adult-oriented block that now only runs on Sunday night. Adult Swim contains Space Ghost, Toonami does not, which only airs anime.

Is the editing really that hard (1)

Spit_Fire1 (247104) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122435)

I mean do it like a movie on TV skip the violent scenes, skip the adult scenes, and for the foul language insert phrases like, Son of a Gun, and don't let me beat you up.

Re:Is the editing really that hard (1)

512k (125874) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122446)

to quote from the article "it requires that the producer know each episode of the show like the back of his/her hand, to ensure that a scene isn't cut from episode 22 that has major ramifications in episode 50."

Re:Is the editing really that hard (1)

Spit_Fire1 (247104) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122451)

Cutting the whole scene could, but cutting the blood fountain out of the death scene is not really important for later episodes.

Re:Is the editing really that hard (1)

Yobgod Ababua (68687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122644)

What if key dialogue occrus during the "fountain of blood"? What if important things happen in the background, or foreground? What if the entirety of that death scene is a bloody mess, but it's crucial that the viewer be aware that this character has been killed for continuity reasons?

Like the man says, it's not easy.

Personally, I applaud them for putting so much effort into trying to keep the story and feel of the original while making it possible for the show to be shown on TV at all.

Re:Is the editing really that hard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122627)

I hate to brake it to you but the editing for a lot of movies that come to TV SUCK! CN does (for the most part) an outstanding job conciding their viewers and the advertisers

My thought on the matter... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122441)

I know this is off-topic, but I just have to say it: I think Slashdot's new move towards advertising is a GREAT THING!

The ads give the site a slick, "commercial" look it so desperately needed, the same way Red Hat gave Linux the slick "commercial" look that IT so desperately needed.

I for one, applaud the wise move made by the owners of this site and other successful open-source GNU-like commercial ventures. []

Re:My thought on the matter... HES RIGHT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122457)


It may be off-topic but it really makes a good point, and I'm sure it will improve the morale of Cmdr Taco and the gang to read it!!

I agree, Red Hat did the right thing (-1, Offtopic)

sticks_us (150624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122477)

After messing around with Slackware, I just about had enough! A friend of mine tried to get me into Linux. I thought it would be easy (I am a certified Sun Systems Administrator) but I spent the better part of an entire week getting it working!

Thank goodness for Red Hat! The analogy applies to Slashdot as well. I remember Slashdot from the "good" old days, and boy, it was pretty clunky. The new version is a nice commercial representation of geek(tm)dom.


slashdot wont live much longer. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122445)

It is very sick, it will soon die. Good riddance slashdot, you rode the wave of dot-com greed to achieve popularity. But you are not sustainable. No one will miss you. No one will worry that cmder Tacos will have to pimp out his fiance to keep his house from being reposessed. Slashdot sucks, so does linux.

BUY DVD (2, Insightful)

Wuss912 (464329) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122455)

juat buy DVD thats Unedited.
and higher quality

Re:BUY DVD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122776)

Buy the DVD?

When was the last time someone yelled "Boycott?"

Welcome to slashdot. We like shiny things here.

Well you know... (4, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122461)

Nothing's gonna solve the editing problem. It's on a network aimed at children, and children do watch.

Only way to get around that here in the states would be to have sci-fi suck it up and show it uncut with a (frequent) TV-M rating (though many shows would be unfairly labeled as such).

Even then, many of the best shows won't ever make it on TV here, simply because they don't have the style of Bebop, the Action element of gundam, and the "crap" that somehow attracts people like Dragonball Z does.

Editing will likely bar some shows entirely from network TV. ADV, who holds the N. Am. license to Evangelion have said it won't be licensed for TV if it has to be edited.

Or sometimes it's politics. The head of Toonami is a BIG Rurouni Kenshin fan. Problem is, Media Blasters can't show their (the original version) on TV. If kenshin ever hits the air in the US, it'll hit as "Samurai X," a hacked up, rewritten version of the original show (not related to the ADV release of the Kenshin OAVs as Samurai X).

Screw TV. I'll stick with my DVDs thank you.

Re:Well you know... (2)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122510)

While I think Kenshin could air on Adult Swim with a TV-14 (and should), you raise a good point that a lot of anime has to be edited significantly even to bring it down that level. But why should they? Certainly parents will object, but we're not talking about shows for kids anymore. At some point CN is going to have to suck it up, ignore the parents, and start pitching AS to the advertisers for an older audience. Many, many shows get away with much, much more than CN is allowing.

One question that wasn't asked and I wish had been is: would Adult Swim, under the right circumstances, be willing to produce TV-M shows? For popular shows like Evangelion, Berserk, Love Hina, and so forth, that's what it will take. If they can do that, THEN we can really start going down the unedited path.

Also, I find it ironic that the two most heavily edited shows in the AS lineup air late at night, after FCC guidelines no longer apply. I don't understand why they can't just go back and splice in the original dialogue and scenes - it's easier than painting them out, that's for sure.

Re:Well you know... (2)

Have Blue (616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122586)

Look at his answers:
Unfortunately, the shows put in for the premiere of the Adult Swim block were all slated to run on Toonami and were edited as such.
The two late shows (Outlaw Star and Tenchi) were both inherited directly from Toonami. Future shows added to AS will be edited straight to TV-14.

Re:Well you know... (2, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122664)

Kenshin COULD air, but would get a TV-M for many of it's 2nd season episodes. And it's unlikely Sony would be willing to let CN air the original version, and would push them to air their "Samurai X" hack and slash job.

Just so you know, parents in Japan complained about the violence in Evangelion, and Berserk aired at 2:30 AM on a cable network.

Regardless of the intention of the content, and the time, parents will be irresponsible and let their children watch, and will bitch and whine no matter WHAT they want.

This is why a network with an overall direction towards a more mature audience would have to pick up the slack.

Not that I REALLY care, since they will show it dubbed and I don't particularly like watching dubs (though I won't be hurt if I have to).

New Cartoon Network Channels... (4, Insightful)

Eddy Johnson (467614) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122466)

A friend and I were just discussing Cartoon Network's current juggling act of all the material everyone wants to see, especially us not getting our fix of old-school cartoons. They should split into three different channels:

TOONAMI: The current anime lineup, as well as stuff for "more mature audiences" later for the hardcore adult animers (or some undersexed, anime-hooked nerds like those who will read this reply, and therefore will mod it down, wrecking my karma. Meanies.)

CARTOON CARTOON: Move all those goddamn annoying "Cartoon Cartoons" to this network. You know, stuff like Cow and Chicken and Sheep in the Big City. Some of it is good, but a select minority. Most of it is trash, but it brings in ratings from the little ones.

OLD SCHOOL CARTOON NETWORK: My favorite. Scooby-Doo (all sans Scrappy), Hong Kong Phooey, Superfriends, Wacky Racers, Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Pink Panther, Snagglepuss, Huckleberry Hound, and all the good old stuff that I miss.

Divide and conquer, Cartoon Network, by heeding the call of the wild Eddy Johnson!

Re:New Cartoon Network Channels... (3, Insightful)

Arrian (313441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122547)

That would be a good idea. It would put the animation meant for little kids on a separate channel from the anime stuff making it more reasonable to do a lot less editing. They wouldn't have to worry about when little joey sneaks downstairs at night and hits the channel he usually watches "Courage the Cowardly Dog" on and instead gets Faye of "Cowboy Bebop'leaning over a table ripping some guy's shirt off because she thinks he has a tattoo of a snake. I have a feeling that's a significant part of why CN keeps editing their late nite blocks. After all, it's still a child-centric network.

Whether this is economically feasable, however, is another story.

Re:New Cartoon Network Channels... (2)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122570)

Or walking in on two guys in bed together and shoving a gun in one of their mouths.

Oh wait... that scene was edited. Didn't make much sense without it though.

Re:New Cartoon Network Channels... (1)

Arrian (313441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122617)

Hell, _I_ was more than a little taken aback first time I saw that one. Cool thing was, it wasn't gratuitous (sp?), it wasn't like something you'd see on Stern, it fit into the plot well.

Re:New Cartoon Network Channels... (2)

kesuki (321456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122585)

There is an old school network it's called 'Boomerang' [] look for it from you dish or digital cable provider. Perhaps they'll make a toonami channel someday, they've already brought the 'toonami' brand to WB kids. As far as Cartoon Cartoons go, well they're never on when I watch CN.

Re:New Cartoon Network Channels... (2)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122598)

They already have your third option. It's called "Boomerang", however, it's not on the second tier of DirecTV so I haven't seen it.

I agree about "Cartoon Cartoon", it seems like when Dexter and Johnny Bravo, etc, were new, most of the "Cartoon Cartoon"'s were pretty good, but nowadays they've gotten annoying. Even JB isn't as good as it used to be.

Why Evangelion will never be on Toonami... (3, Insightful)

EvilBuu (145749) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122467)

From the article:

"Any direct references to religion, especially juxtaposed with violence, sexuality or hypocrisy, is not allowed. ... Anime is often full of stereotypes surrounding race and religion that non-otaku will not understand and will take offense to. ... People in America generally don't want that kind of thing in their cartoons, however you and I may feel about it."

Maybe if Americans had the chance to see cartoons with that kind of thing, they'd change their minds. Of course this is probably a mixed blessing, as Evangelion is already incomprehensible enough without TV-Y7 editing...

Re:Why Evangelion will never be on Toonami... (2)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122522)

I think the only thing that will top the maelstrom of parents and the religious right screaming about all the sex, violence, and religion in Evangelion, will be the fans screaming a disbelieving "What the hell is this?!" when they air the last two episodes.

LOL... Evangelion with a TV-Y7 rating would be about 30 minutes long.

Re:Why Evangelion will never be on Toonami... (1)

Maul (83993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122573)

I think the only thing that will top the maelstrom of parents and the religious right screaming about all the sex, violence, and religion in Evangelion, will be the fans screaming a disbelieving "What the hell is this?!" when they air the last two episodes.

OR the fans screaming, "I hate you, Gainax!" when
they air the alternate ending, End of Evangelion.

Re:Why Evangelion will never be on Toonami... (1)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122629)

I liked EoE...

Re:Why Evangelion will never be on Toonami... (2, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122672)

Well that and:

ADV has said repeatedly that they will not license TV broadcast rights to any network that will have to edit the show.

Thus why many PBS stations show it (subbed even) in its entirety, HBO could do it, and Sci-Fi maybe late at night.

CN? Never.

hypocrisey of americans (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122693)

Of course Merry Melodies and countless pre-1970's era cartoons (especially earlier in the century) were full of stereotypes and underlying racial/political/religious/nationalist things. And they were geared soley toward adults.

But even now you still see them on CN. And even on normal network stations at 10am on a saturday morning for kids to suck up.

Which reminds me... whatever happened to saturday morning cartoons? I'm in my early twenties but even I can remember back when ABC,CBS,NBC,UPN,FOX all had hours and hours (about 6am to 3pm) of cartoons and kids would sit in front of the tube enjoying them all morning, like a kid should.

Now it's all infomercials and purchased religious programming with a few political shows and a martha stewart thrown in here or there.

Re:Why Evangelion will never be on Toonami... (1)

Proteus Child (535173) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122730)

Somehow, I get the feeling that a depiction of the angel Samael in the opening sequence (or the sephirothic system, for that matter) would cause a great deal of trouble among some of the more knowledgable parents.

Though I do recall hearing rumours that Eva was shown on the west coast on cable television about two or three years ago... never heard for certain one way or the other, though.

Re:Why Evangelion will never be on Toonami... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122802)

Not cable, PBS, local San Jose station KTEH. They show everything subbed and unedited. They didn't take some nutidy out when they showed Bubblegum Crisis (putting on suits and such) and ruin explorers (gratutious nutidy with main character in a bath). Incredibly cool station imho.

Is there really that much anime? (1)

loucura! (247834) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122475)

Is there that much quality anime that would warrant an entire toonami channel? I'm not an anime expert, but I can barely count off ten titles that are worth showing repeatedly, let alone in the 23.428 minutes that CN gives the anime shows...

Re:Is there really that much anime? (2, Interesting)

Malic (15038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122485)

Oh Good Lord! You have no idea! It would be too easy to fill a Toonami channel. There are more themes in Anime beyond just big robots, "big" girls in big robots, reluctant boy with 6 girlfriends, etc.

The editing requirements could be Promethian, however.

Re:Is there really that much anime? (2, Insightful)

sketerpot (454020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122803)

I'm starting to get interested. I don't care if I never see a big Voltron-style robot again, but some of that other stuff could be pretty good.

As for the editing, I have an idealistic rant on that topic:

Why do we need editing at all for these things? What is wrong with seeing someone naked, or drinking alcohol, or swearing? As Bennett Haselton pointed out [] , cuss words are just syllables. Bodies are just bodies. This insanity pervades society, and I'm sick of it! It isn't just just religious right wackos who sold their brains to God and think that the rest of us have sold our souls to the devil, it's common among just about everyone you walk up to, at least where I live. Kids in school will curse copiously at each other and call each other "gaywad!" and "jewish!", and it is overlooked. If one of them curses in front of an adult with a word like fuck, however, they'll be scolded in a burning fuse tone of voice. Why the hipocrisy?

Nudity is natural. A little artful nudity can add an excellent touch to something that would stand without it, as a rule. So why is it so near ubiquitously percieved in America as "harmful to children"? Why do films containing suggestive scenes like the one in Zorro actually carry warning labels?

I wish someone would come along and end our society's insanity. But most likely these things will be washed away by time. I await the future.

Re:Is there really that much anime? (1, Offtopic)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122529)

Are you kidding? There's no end of shows they could air. Anime has been going on a looooong time in Japan.

The main thing would be to bring the titles that haven't made it to the American video market either to mix up the subject matter. Lupin, for instance, was a huge series, but only the movies and a couple of episodes have distributed commercially.

Re:Is there really that much anime? (3, Interesting)

Maul (83993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122561)

There is plenty of good anime. However, I'm not sure
how much of that would really be very successful on American television.

For Example:

I don't think showing Love Hina would survive through the censorship ringers. If every
panty shot and accidental incident of the male
character walking in on the females while they
are naked is removed, there wouldn't be that much
to put on air.

Nadesico is just full of parody and references to other anime. I don't think most American viewers
would appreciate the show within the show, Gekigangar 3, very much.

InuYasha is probably too heavily based on Japanese
mythology. Plus, while it is an excellent series,
it has lots of violent fighting that would probably
be destroyed by censors.

And showing Evangelion would probably make Toonami the target of every religous, human rights, parenting, whatever group in the country unless they edited it so much that it wouldn't be the same series.


Though there is probably plently of lucritive opportunity for someone to start a tentacle pr0n channel on Pay-Per-View. (Joke)

A simple solution... (2)

kesuki (321456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122621)

If you really want a Toonami channel that doesn't edit, that shows subtitled in the wee hours of the night the only model that can be followed is the premium channel model.
In order to get good quality anime on the air you have to provide it by subscription model and Prove that you can make money doing it that way. Toonami has a name advantage and if they keep on having good results with adult swim and midnight run they might be able to manage to run a 24/7 premium uncut anime channel under the toonami brand.
As long as advertisers have input on what can be shown and as long as parents can complain and be activists against you then you'll always be forced to edit. The minute you go to subscription model it is the consumers of the content who decide what you can or can't do. If Anime fans are in charge it wouldn't be edited.

Re:Is there really that much anime? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122661)

"If every panty shot and accidental incident of the male character walking in on the females while they are naked is removed, there wouldn't be that much to put on air." If that is true, maybe there wasnt much of that show putting on the air anyway. just watch some spring break movie or something.

The many shortcomings of Linux (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122482)

The many Linux shortcomings.

Before everyone gets upset, please follow me as I outline some of the critical shortcomings in Linux. First is the lack of re-entrant kernel threads. The net affect of this is a poor execution of both multi-tasking on uniprocessor systems and multi-processor systems. In a uniprocessor system the lack of reentrant kernel threads allows applications to control processor time. This cooperative multitasking is ineffecient, and systems intensive. In a multiprocessor box you wind up with an asynchronous multitaksing environment, where processor load is not balanced across the two or more processors. The net result in both situations is that processes take longer to execute. Needless to say, Windows excels at all of these.

The next is poor execution of asynchronous I/O, which is necessary for efficient communications. In fact, the execution of asynchronous I/O in Linux is quite poor, especially when compared to Windows. When subjected to the Transaction Processing Council's C and D tests, which measure transactions per minute, Linux fares poorly compared to commercial variants of Unix, BSD, and NT. The net result of this is an increased cost of ownership, as the cost of each transaction is much higher than the cost associated with Windows NT.

Another serious setback for Linux is the lack of a journalling file system. This makes data storage unreliable, and backup and recovery a dicey proposition. SGI said they would port the IRIX file system to Linux, but I haven't heard anything about this yet. However, when you look at the major commercial NOS's, they all have journalling file systems, including Sun, SCO, Windows NT, Banyan Vines, HP/UX, AIX, and Novell. Windows has cleary beaten Linux to the punch here.

I look forward to watching Linux as it grows up. I do believe it may have a bright future. It just isn't there yet! Too bad I will have to wait many years for Linux to become a viable option in the operating system arena. If I were to believe everything I read about Linux, I would have to assume that it will save the world! Please, let us also be honest and present Linux and all its many shortcomings when you are downtalking Windows.

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How to Remove Linux and Install Windows on Your Co (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122489)

How to Remove Linux and Install Windows on Your Computer (Q247804)

The information in this article applies to:

Microsoft Windows 2000 , Advanced Server
Microsoft Windows 2000 , Datacenter Server
Microsoft Windows 2000 , Professional
Microsoft Windows 2000 , Server
Microsoft Windows NT Server version 4.0
Microsoft Windows NT Workstation version 4.0

For a Microsoft Windows XP version of this article, see Q314458 .

This article describes how you can remove the Linux operating system from your computer, and install a Windows operating system. This article also assumes that Linux is already installed on the hard disk using Linux native and Linux swap partitions, which are incompatible with the Windows operating system, and that there is no free space left on the drive.

Windows and Linux can coexist on the same computer. For additional information, refer to your Linux documentation.

To install Windows on a system that has Linux installed when you want to remove Linux, you must manually delete the partitions used by the Linux operating system. The Windows-compatible partition can be created automatically during the installation of the Windows operating system.

IMPORTANT : Before you follow the steps in this article, verify that you have a bootable disk or bootable CD-ROM for the Linux operating system, because this process completely removes the Linux operating system installed on your computer. If you intend to restore the Linux operating system at a later date, verify that you also have a good backup of all the information stored on your computer. Also, you must have a full release version of the Windows operating system you want to install.

Linux file systems use a "superblock" at the beginning of a disk partition to identify the basic size, shape, and condition of the file system.

The Linux operating system is generally installed on partition type 83 (Linux native) or 82 (Linux swap). The Linux boot manager (LILO) can be configured to start from:

The hard disk Master Boot Record (MBR).

The root folder of the Linux partition.

The Fdisk tool included with Linux can be used to delete the partitions. (There are other utilities that work just as well, such as Fdisk from MS-DOS 5.0 and later, or you can delete the partitions during the installation process.) To remove Linux from your computer and install Windows:
Remove native, swap, and boot partitions used by Linux:

Start your computer with the Linux setup floppy disk, type fdisk at the command prompt, and then press ENTER.

NOTE : For help using the Fdisk tool, type m at the command prompt, and then press ENTER.

Type p at the command prompt, and then press ENTER to display partition information. The first item listed is hard disk 1, partition 1 information, and the second item listed is hard disk 1, partition 2 information.

Type d at the command prompt, and then press ENTER. You are then prompted for the partition number you want to delete. Type 1 , and then press ENTER to delete partition number 1. Repeat this step until all the partitions have been deleted.

Type w , and then press ENTER to write this information to the partition table. Some error messages may be generated as information is written to the partition table, but they should not be significant at this point because the next step is to restart the computer and then install the new operating system.

Type q at the command prompt, and then press ENTER to quit the Fdisk tool.

Insert either a bootable floppy disk or a bootable CD-ROM for the Windows operating system on your computer, and then press CTRL+ALT+DELETE to restart your computer.

Install Windows. Follow the installation instructions for the Windows operating system you want to install on your computer. The installation process assists you with creating the appropriate partitions on your computer.

Examples of Linux Partition Tables
Single SCSI drive
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 1)
/dev/sda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 2)
Multiple SCSI drives
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 1)
/dev/sda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 2)
/dev/sdb1 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (SCSI hard drive 2, partition 1)
Single IDE drive
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (IDE hard drive 1, partition 1)
/dev/hda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (IDE hard drive 1, partition 2)
Multiple IDE drives
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (IDE hard drive 1, partition 1)
/dev/hda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (IDE hard drive 1, partition 2)
/dev/hdb1 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (IDE hard drive 2, partition 1)
Also, Linux recognizes more than forty different partition types, such as:
FAT 12 (Type 01)

FAT 16 > 32 M Primary (Type 06)

FAT 16 Extended (Type 05)

FAT 32 w/o LBA Primary (Type 0b)

FAT 32 w/LBA Primary (Type 0c)

FAT 16 w/LBA (Type 0e)

FAT 16 w/LBA Extended (Type 0f)

Note that there are other ways to remove the Linux operating system and install Windows than the one mentioned above. The preceding method is used in this article because the Linux operating system is already functioning and there is no more room on the hard disk. There are methods of changing partition sizes with software. Microsoft does not support Windows installed on partitions manipulated in this manner.

Another method of removing an operating system from the hard disk and installing a different operating system is to use an MS-DOS version 5.0 or later boot disk, a Windows 95 Startup disk, or a Windows 98 Startup disk that contains the Fdisk utility. Run the Fdisk utility. If you have multiple drives, there are 5 choices; use option 5 to select the hard disk that has the partition to be deleted. After that, or if you have only one hard disk, choose option 3 ("Delete partition or logical DOS drive"), and then choose option 4 ("Delete non-DOS partition"). You should then see the non-DOS partitions you want to delete. Typically, the Linux operating system has two non-DOS partitions, but there may be more. After you delete one partition, use the same steps to delete any other appropriate non-DOS partitions.

After the partitions are deleted, you can create partitions and install the operating system you want. You can only create one primary partition and an extended partition with multiple logical drives by using Fdisk from MS-DOS version 5.0 and later, Windows 95, and Windows 98. The maximum FAT16 primary partition size is 2 gigabytes (GB). The largest FAT16 logical drive size is 2 GB. For additional information, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
Q105074 MS-DOS 6.2 Partitioning Questions and Answers
If you are installing Windows NT 4.0 or Windows 2000, the Linux partitions can be removed and new partitions created and formatted with the appropriate file system type during the installation process. Windows allows you to create more than one primary partition. The largest partition that Windows NT 4.0 allows you to create during installation is 4 GB because of the limitations of the FAT16 file system during installation. Also, the 4-GB partitions use 64-KB cluster sizes. MS-DOS 6.x and Windows 95 or Windows 98 do not recognize 64-KB cluster file systems, so this file system is usually converted to NTFS during installation. Windows 2000, unlike Windows NT 4.0, recognizes the FAT32 file system. During the installation of Windows 2000, you can create a very large FAT32 drive. The FAT32 drive can be converted to NTFS after the installation has completed if appropriate.

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The title. (3, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122496)

I thought it was "Toonami."

Posted by CmdrTaco

Ah, there's the culprit. And we're expected to pay for this?


Public Service Announcement About Trolling (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122499)

We all know that "trolling" is a disease. It increases the signal to noise ratio of discussions. It annoys users who have something informative to say. And it exposes readers to goatsex, homosexuality, and frighteningly deviant behavior. However, that is not all.

Many of the most obsessive trolls want their work to be seen. These sad, lonely souls want to create a disturbance, ANY disturbance, in the small world of $lashdot. Hence trolling relies on a cheap, easy source of karma for "dummy accounts." Some of these are "karma burn" accounts that are used to post offensive material with a +2 bonus, exposing more people to the troll. Some are even used to mod up fellow trolls.

The obvious solution, of course, is "karma whoring," the practice of making insipid, cravenly conformist comments to please the moderators. Who would spend months polishing an account, posting thoughtful and informative comments, only to throw it away on goatsex and gibberish? No: for these "trollers," whoring themselves out is the only possible way to get the karma they so desperately need.

I used to think that the editors were arrogant and hypocritical. Their policy in the discussion groups seemed to stifle creativity and intellectual freedom. But now I see why their policies are needed. The trolls are destroying $lashdot. Post by post, line by line, they are driving away the readers who created this site. Now, karma whores push aside teenage brainiacs. The goatse man drives away RMS and his wholesome essays.

Who is your typical troll? A teenage loser, probably gay, who whiles away the day at $lashdot, hoping to impress losers even more pathetic than himself. Responsible readers of the site should not be exposed to this filth. Most trolls are neither clever nor funny. They look like what they are: the crude efforts of frustrated children. Long live moderation.

- Mode 13 hex

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Then Than (0, Troll)

eander315 (448340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122527)

As far as I can tell, if Taco replaces the word "then" with "than" permanently, he'd be more right than wrong, and it would fix one of his most common grammar/spelling mistakes.

Typical Editing Practices (4, Interesting)

Maul (83993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122531)

Typically, I've seen a few types of editing of anime when they make a US version, especially for TV. Here are just a few:

Crappy 80's Hack and Slash:
We saw this with "Robotech" and "Voltron," where
huge portions of things were hacked out. In the case of Robotech, they combined multiple series, that had no relation to one another, into one. Thankfully, most people remember Robotech for the sections that were really Macross.

Pointlessly stupid cultural editing:
This includes changing the names of characters to
sound more American, and attempting to remove all
hints that the characters were originally supposed to be Japanese, living in Japan, etc, even though it is obviously Japanese animation.
God forbid that little Timmy realizes that there are other cultures out there that aren't American.

Pointless Censorship
This is mainly what Toonami has to deal with.
Typically, people feel the need to edit out "Bad Stuff". However, it always seems that people FAIL at this. An example is that there was a drink that was supposed to be sake in an episode of DBZ, and they ended up making it milk or something. This is all fine and good, but this is a series that features huge muscled guys blowing eachother up with high powered energy attacks. I guess it is
important that we sheild Junior from alcohol, but
showing him acts of superhuman violence and fights that span several weeks worth of episodes is OK.

Re:Typical Editing Practices (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122594)

Don't forget Earthbound for the SNES. Though, I'd have to admit that coffee really *is* that addictive.

Re:Typical Editing Practices (2, Insightful)

Dexx (34621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122690)

I guess it is important that we sheild Junior from alcohol, but showing him acts of superhuman violence and fights that span several weeks worth of episodes is OK. That's something I've noticed a lot on TV. Violence is perfectly fine, but sex, religion, and politics are not to be discussed. And people blame videogames?

Re:Typical Editing Practices (1)

Mark J Tilford (186) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122701)

I think Voltron involved joining two unrelated series (Go-Lion and Dairugger XV, IIRC).

bah (4, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122549)

What I don't understand is how a network show on primetime like NYPD Blue can show real life nudity, but a cable show on at 11 pm can't show cartoonish nudity.

Just makes no sense.

Re:bah (1)

Xerion (265191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122610)

NYPD is not aimed at children, where as cartoon is supposed to be for kids.

Re:bah (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122668)

Ahhh yes. Another boob who thinks anything animated *must* be for children. It's that kind of closed mindedness which causes the US such troubles.

Tell me, please. What is it that you think makes anything with live visual actors more inherently valuable than something with animated actors? And why is something with special effects (like Terminator) any different from animated special effects? And what do visual effects have to do at all with content in a story? Do the visuals really have any effect on the value of the cultural criticism? The action? The expressive dialog?

It's Simple, Really (4, Insightful)

BlackGriffen (521856) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122761)

For some odd reason, a lot of people in the U.S. think that cartoons are only for kids. Thus they assume that any cartoon should be suitable for junior, and get pissed when their presumption is wrong.

I've got a better question, why can't we show nudity? I'm not talking about sexual acts with nudity, I'm talking about plain old nudity. The U.S. really needs to get off it's damn hangups and realize that there isn't anything inherently dirty about the nude human body. If anything, the fear of nudity causes more problems than it could possibly be solving.


Re:It's Simple, Really (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122779)

I just wish the cartoon network would take the initiative. Print out a million copies of a form letter spelling out the difference between children's cartoons and adult-oriented anime, then every time they get a complaint, mail it out.

Most parents won't even SEE the damn cartoons. Why not use the average person's ignorance for their benefit.

Part of the problem... (3, Insightful)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122567)

A large part of the problem is that the shows on Toonami were originally made for an older age group than the group they are marketed for here in the US.

Take for example a popular Toonami show, Dragonball Z. When it was originally aired in Japan back in the early 90s, it was primarily for 13 & 14 year olds. But here in the US, it's marketed towards 9 & 10 year olds. So, the cartoon has to be largely censored to meet the new age group. Indeed, when DBZ is aired on the international channel in Japanese, it is rated for 14+, IIRC. (P.S., its been a few years since I've seen that show on TV, so if any of this has changed, correct me!)

Another large part of the problem is the cultural background difference. In Japan, what gets aired for their younger children is far less censored for the same children here in the states. What happens is you wind up with matter being heavily censored in the import to the US. When Midnight Run used to air Gundam Wing, they would air the uncut version of the episode they played earlier that day. It's a shame every episode couldn't be aired like that, it was far more enjoyable.

Re:Part of the problem... (3, Insightful)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122642)

That's partly because of the endless marketing grab. 14-16 year olds don't buy toys and stickers and shit like that any more (well - most don't), nor do they badger their mommy to buy them a Dragonball Z beach towel and matching shampoo.

8-10 crowd however, does. Ergo, make the cartoon palatable to (them | their parents) and you have a winner in terms of scondary marketing, even though the edit might take away some of the cartoon's storytelling value.

Imagine what they would do to the first Heavy Metal movie if they had to market it to 9 year old kids.

Re:Part of the... Grisly Sailor Moon special (2)

texchanchan (471739) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122712)

Re, In Japan, what gets aired for their younger children is far less censored...

Sailor Moon was originally written for little girls of 9 to 12. In one Sailor Moon special, all the original "pretty soldiers" (junior high-aged girls themselves) get bloodily massacred one by one as they save the world. I have to say I was astounded.

There are some pretty deep cultural differences here that go beyond censorship standards.

Personally, I'm dubious about showing kids cartoons, or reading them stories or even non-fiction that will promote the idea of glorious, spectacular self-immolation. Sept. 11 shows what happens when people get into that frame of mind.

I prefer the mindset of the guy who, when a grenade landed in the back of a truck carrying a bunch of troops including him, picked it up and threw it back out again. Of course, you can't extract much drama from that.

PBS is a good place to get some unedited anime (1)

Chemical (49694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122578)

One of my local PBS stations (KTEH San Jose) shows unedited, subtitled anime from time to time (usually Sunday nights). They have in the past shown the whole Evangelion series completely unedited, and are currently running Dirty Pair, but unfortunatly they have been very inconsistant with running Anime. But still, they seem to be the only "network" willing to show pure uncensored anime. They might be our only hope for the time being. It wouldn't hurt to write or call your local PBS station to ask for some anime programs. The only bad part about PBS is the constant begging for money.

Should edit submission text? (2, Funny)

marko123 (131635) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122603)

What mean last sentence?

Side by side comparison of Toonami Censoring (5, Informative)

Rogue_F (202461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122614)

Escaflowne online has a site [] about the editing/censoring that
The Cartoon Network has done on one of their shows Outlaw Star.

It's quite interesting the changes that were made. Some are simple digital edits that add clothing for nude characters, removal of blood, to whole scene cuts, and even in one case an episode cut.

Cartoon network has changed a lot of the series they show (DBZ's Mr. Satan to Hercule...even digitally changed on some of the signs the fans hold up). Some are for good reasons, some are probably them being over cautious.

Don't forget the REAL service that cartoon network is serving in exposing people to other forms of animation that they may end up liking. Some of the big anime conventions like Fanime [] and Anime Expo [] have gained a whole new fan base because anime has been shown on Cartoon Channel (and even Fox when it was showing Escaflowne).

Someone earlier slammed Robotech, and some of the earlier anime which was brought to the US by Harmony Gold, but without it, a number of us may have missed out on a whole genre that is quite appealing.

If Cartoon Network is going to censor stuff, let them. If you dont want to see their censored versions, go out and buy some of the multitudes of anime dvd's you can find for sale. And believe me there are many more great series out there that Cartoon Network won't be showing. Not because they don't want to, but there's just so much to choose from.


Re:Side by side comparison of Toonami Censoring (1)

parliboy (233658) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122788)

With the exception of one side plot point (information about the odd ammunition the lead protagonist uses), that missing Outlaw Star episode was pretty much just an excuse to fit in nudity. It really isn't something that could have been shown properly during any time slot without signigicant editing. Trust me, I've seen it, and you're not missing all that much.

Re:Side by side comparison of Toonami Censoring (2, Informative)

Rogue_F (202461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122805)

I have that episode as well, and while it is mostly about fan service, the plot point about the casters
(which I always thought it was spelled in castor oil) was worth the whole episode in my opinion.

I had seen the whole cartoon network run of Outlaw star 2 or 3 times, and after watching that episode it made much more sense. The name, why they were so rare, and why they were able to defeat the pirates' magic.


I'm with Taco, but... (1, Interesting)

E-Rock-23 (470500) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122631)

...I'd like to see Encore (the Action Channel people) fire up two all-Anime, pay TV networks. One subbed, one dubbed. That way all types of fans are happy. Both would be unedited, and anything that comes in Widescreen would be shown as such. With all the options on Digital Cable these days, why not add these two?

Our children need to see more blood and violence. (1, Troll)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122639)

Who is going to kill the Afghans of the future if they don't learn how to do it growing up?

Re:Our children need to see more blood and violenc (1)

SonicRED (15265) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122732)

Nice try.

If I had moderation points right now I would score this +1 Sympathy.

Anyone know about this Gundam edit? (1)

sheetsda (230887) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122648)

(Gundam Wing) in one of the last few episodes Duo goes into a door, steps out again and says "That's definitely not what I expected to find!". What did they edit out there? I can't seem to find anything on the net about it.

Re:Anyone know about this Gundam edit? (1)

jbarket (530468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122741)

The scientists. That wasn't cut. You just missed the plot there. He was probably hoping they were dead.

HELP (1)

wbav (223901) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122714)

I'm hooked on anime.

I blame it all on Toonami.

I've spent all day watching cowboy bebop.

Uncensored Anime (1)

The Silver Slurper (564792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122734)

If they didn't edit the shows, they'd have to call it "Poonami".

No way! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122755)


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Major editing jobs, NHK/FujiTV - CN (2)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122783)

Gives an interesting perspective on what CN goes through to get certain anime on US TV

Do you even know what they have to go through to show CowboyNeal Bebop? It ain't pretty.

Goddamn it Taco! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3122784)

Than! Than! Than! You've been told thousands of times. It's an incredibly easy mistake to correct. Are you that lazy?

Parents are to blame!!! (1)

mesach (191869) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122796)

why do they have to cater to the parents of children watching cartoons at 1AM??? or 3AM???

shit, if my kid is up that late, chances are they are doing their own thing thats probably far worse than cartoon blood or what ever they are cutting out

What does Cowboy Neal have to do with this?? (1)

clustersnarf (236) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122800)

Gives an interesting perspective on what CN goes through to get certain anime on US TV.

I mean when did Pater suddenly become the guy who controls Anime on TV?


greymond (539980) | more than 12 years ago | (#3122804)

I wouldn't mind watching the cartyoon network if they subtitled everything instead of playing the dubbs - so far only gundam wing, armitage 3rd (only in english i think), and ghost in the shell - are the only ones where the english voices were dubbed decently(somewhat) - most of the time the characters voices are so annoying or far from the original that it ruins the show or worse - in the case of blackjack some of the plot actually changes(very little but still) if you watch it subtitled versus dubbed. and lets not forget about the bastardization they did with tenchi - ryoko the hottest character sounded like a fucking drag queen!
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