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Linuxcare Founders Go Wireless

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the bootable-business-card-gateway dept.

News 180

LinuxCare founders Dave Sifry, Art Tyde and Dave LaDuke have started their second company: Sputnik. Basically, they have an ISO you can download that will turn a laptop with an 802.11b card into a wireless gateway. They also wrote a user-authentication scheme that reroutes all traffic to the gateway until the user logs in via a web form. This should sound familiar to people who stay in broadband capable hotels a lot. Using this authentication technique, the software allows you to choose who can and cannot use your gateway, and in you'll be able to charge strangers for access (with Sputnik handling the billing). This will likely get some isps a wee bit upset. NewsForge has an article detailing what they are doing. Update: Turns out the authentication wasn't written by Sputnik, my bad. They use NoCatAuthDisclaimer: I've known these guys for a long time and am pals with them, so I waited until someone else (in this case Grant at NewsForge and the NYT) put something up independently about them before linking to them.

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128487)

AC first post - fuck the troll library

Re:fp (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128499)

Your first-posting powers are no match for my ability to make fun of ANAL COX in BOLD BLACK TEXT! I laugh at thee! Ha! I deride you!

Just got back to El Paso... (-1)

Big_Ass_Spork (446856) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128524)

Was in Albuquerque for the Microsoft VS .Net release (this is a traveling event). Viva le VB!

Speaking of El Paso; great recipe: (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128588)

Mexican Party Wings

Ingredients:

1 cup purchased ranch salad dressing

1 (4.5-oz.) can Old El Paso® Chopped Green Chiles

1/2 cup Pillsbury BEST® All Purpose or Unbleached Flour

1 (1.25-oz.) pkg. Old El Paso® Taco Seasoning Mix

2 teaspoons oil

24 chicken drummettes (about 2 lb.)

Dried parsley flakes

Prep Time: 20 Minutes (Ready in 55 Minutes)

Preparation Directions:

1. Heat oven to 350F. Spray large cookie sheet with nonstick cooking spray. In blender container, combine salad dressing and chiles; blend until smooth. Spoon into small serving bowl. Refrigerate while preparing drummettes.

2. Lightly spoon flour into measuring cup; level off. In shallow dish, combine flour and taco seasoning mix; mix well. Add oil; stir with fork until well combined. Coat drummettes with flour mixture. Coat drummettes again to use all flour mixture. Place on sprayed cookie sheet.

3. Bake at 350F. for 15 minutes. Turn drummettes; bake an additional 14 to 17 minutes or until chicken is fork- tender and juices run clear. Sprinkle parsley on salad dressing mixture. Serve with warm drummettes.

Recipe makes 24 servings

Re:fp (-1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128552)

I claim your FP in the name of my new M$ trackball

it ROCKS ;-)

FUCK ACs

nuff said

Re:fp (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128658)

Man I used to be a huge fan of trackball. It used to be worth it just to laugh watching friends try and use it. Now that optical mice are common, I stick to a logitech wheel mouse. I don't think logitech has ever done anything to piss me off, unlike MS, and ergonomics IS in their dictionary - I am positive that MS zapped that particular word out of every one of their drone's brains. The MS explorer is one unwieldy mothafucka.

penis

Re:fp (-1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128690)

boy, unlike their software, M$ hardware tends to be pretty good. I had their Sidewinder FF pro for ages and I love it. This trackie is also fine, altough i'd prefer a trackman marble (logitech), but I could not find any to buy on this shithole, so I got the M$ one. heh. So fair it's workin ok (on linux/usb, go figure)

THE TROLL LIBRARY IS DYING (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128556)

The Troll Library is DYING


Instead of killing $lashdot, I killed all the other trolls.

Therefore the library is going OFFLINE indefinately.

Now get back to doing you JOB, trolling, you lazy bastards.

Robotroll, troll, dead at 54 (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128564)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - troll writer Robotroll was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Re:Robotroll, troll, dead at 54 (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128579)

You forgot "he will be missed :("

Re:Robotroll, troll, dead at 54 (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128597)

Ok.

You will be missed.

And stop fucking posting. You are supposed to be joining the choir invisible!

Re:Robotroll, troll, dead at 54 (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128662)

Can I join the choir invisible? I sing a great vibrato and can turn invisible at will.

Oh, may I join the choir invisible
Of those immortal dead who live again
In minds made better by their presence; live
In pulses stirred to generosity,
In deeds of daring rectitude, in scorn
For miserable aims that end with self,
In thoughts sublime that pierce the night like stars,
And with their mild persistence urge men's search
To vaster issues. So to live is heaven:
To make undying music in the world,
Breathing a beauteous order that controls
With growing sway the growing life of man.
So we inherit that sweet purity
For which we struggled, failed, and agonised
With widening retrospect that bred despair.
Rebellious flesh that would not be subdued,
A vicious parent shaming still its child,
Poor anxious penitence, is quick dissolved;
Its discords, quenched by meeting harmonies,
Die in the large and charitable air,
And all our rarer, better, truer self
That sobbed religiously in yearning song,
That watched to ease the burden of the world,
Laboriously tracing what must be,
And what may yet be better, -- saw within
A worthier image for the sanctuary,
And shaped it forth before the multitude,
Divinely human, raising worship so
To higher reverence more mixed with love, --
That better self shall live till human Time
Shall fold its eyelids, and the human sky
Be gathered like a scroll within the tomb
Unread forever. This is life to come, --
Which martyred men have made more glorious
For us who strive to follow. May I reach
That purest heaven, -- be to other souls
The cup of strength in some great agony,
Enkindle generous ardour, feed pure love,
Beget the smiles that have no cruelty,
Be the sweet presence of a good diffused,
And in diffusion ever more intense!
So shall I join the choir invisible
Whose music is the gladness of the world.

Re:Robotroll, troll, dead at 54 (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128684)

I do not see a reason barring you from joining. Kill yourself and then reply to this thread. That is all is the only prerequisite.

Re:Robotroll, troll, dead at 54 (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128703)

okay, I am in the tub, and my viens are cut lengthwise, the water is quite red with my own vitality. Whats the lest step? Better reply quick though...

The easiest way to join is to, (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128723)

The easiest way is just to drop trou in the men's room and press your hiney up against the urinal and let go. However, I can think of a few reasons you might not want to take this approach. For instance, there's the whole "getting caught" ordeal, or having a colon prone to stage fright. Not to mention putting your ass into close proximity with thousands of generations of urine.

With that in mind, I have devised the following not-so-clever and oh-so-easy plan: In the comfort of your own home, when you feel the urge, crap into a plastic bag. Ziploc would be a good idea. When the opportunity presents itself, carefully deposit your offering into the Porcelain Alter of Liquid Excrement. Congratulations, you now have poop in a urinal. Take a picture and send it here.

first post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128489)

its an attempt but it will probably be second

Hai, asl?? SELAM!! (-1, Offtopic)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128491)

  • 2002. Slashdot publishes 1,000,000th rumor passed off as actual story. The story generates 480 comments, 263 of which agree with the article, and 107 of which point out its a rumor and are modded down as redundant. The remaining comments are all first posts.
  • 2002. CmdrTaco married to Kathleen Fent. Many geeks believe Kathleen, a purported transvestite, outmeasures CmdrTaco.
  • 2002. Slashdot parent corporation VA Research^W Linux^W Software stock worth 35 cents. Rumors that AOL, Microsoft, or even Jimmy the hobo who lives under the Longfellow Bridge may buy it.
  • 2003. VA Software bought by Microsoft for a cup of coffee and a donut. All Microsoft-critical articles mysteriously disappear from Slashdot. Bill Gates as Borg logo replaced with Bill Gates as God.
  • 2003. Papperatzi videos of Miguel de Icaza caught going down on Bill Gates in his private yacht spread across Usenet. Miguel swears that recent decisions to rename the Gnome desktop to Windows NT 6.0 have nothing to do with it.
  • 2004. CmdrTaco loses virginity.
  • 2004. The WIPO Troll returns again, showering Slashdot in 45,000 copies of the same post: Lick my crotch hairs. Slashdot, despite running on 18 redundant IIS/8.0 servers, buckles under the load. The term Slashdotted is replaced with WIPO-Trolled.
  • 2004. Slashdot officially shut down. Millions of screaming, unwashed geeks invade Redmond campus and lynch Bill Gates.
  • 2005. Linus Torvalds and Anal Cox found dead along with six penguins, an empty tub of crisco and several used condoms. Millions of screaming, unwashed geeks invade Redmond campus and lynch Steve Ballmer.
  • 2005. CmdrTaco rumored to have had sex again.
  • 2006. CowboiKneel found dead in hotel room with 56 pizza boxes covering his bloated corpse. Three suffocated gay prostitutes are extracted from beneath his body as police remove it with a backhoe.
  • 2007. CmdrTaco actually has sex again. With a woman.
  • 2007. BSD is still officially dying. No word on when its demise will take place.
  • 2007. CmdrTaco starts new weblog to replace Slashdot, creatively named Dotslash. Remainder of Linux users flock to the site and immediate WIPO-Troll it out of existence.
  • 2008. CmdrTaco has sex with his wife for the first time.
  • 2009. After years of living under the heel of his domineering wife, and being deprived of the homosexual orgies of the past, CmdrTaco commits suicide. Another sweaty geek mob gathers and tears Kathleen Fent to shreds. Geeks discover Ms. Fent was indeed a woman, but dont exactly know what that means. Driven by their sexually-repressed rage, they subsequently invade Redmond again and lynch the current CEO of Microsoft, Miguel de Icaza.
  • 2010. Microsoft is blamed for the assassination of Richard Stallman. Redmond invasions by geek hordes become commonplace.
  • 2011. Microsoft campus burnt to the ground by screaming, unwashed geek mob after Microsoft is blamed when a Linux hacker in Cambridge, Massachusetts spills his coffee on his pants.

Re:Hai, asl?? SELAM!! (-1)

CmdrTaco on (468152) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128577)

you forgot:

2012. All Muslims are killed and peace is rampant because of this. Mosques are destroyed and people make efiges of allah and ass rape them. And we dance around a mass burning of every single copy of the stupid koran.

If you are muslim, please take note more than half the world wants to see you dead. The rest just hate you. Please do us a favor and die of a painful coronary.

It sounds wonderful, except... (0, Troll)

elenchos (237104) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128503)

...isn't the whole thing an invitation to TERRORISTS?

Think about it. Those on the wrong side are going to be the #1 beneficiaries of a technology like this. It allows them to create their own secure networks and organize murderous attacks against the civilized world with total impunity.

In the past I might have thought putting all this power in the hands of just anyone was an unmitigated blessing. But now?

I'm only asking: Is it worth the risk? Can't anything be done to make this technology safe?

Re:It sounds wonderful, except... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128510)

Well, at least you're trying, and you're not just a crapflooder. Good for you.

Troll.

Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. (-1, Offtopic)

elenchos (237104) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128521)

Do you label everyone who thinks outside your narrow little world a "troll"? Excuse me for asking tough questions. If thinking for myself makes me a "troll" then so be it, I'd rather be a "troll" than live the life of a mere receptacle for media products and blind consumerism.

Re:Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128534)

Good defence. You still suck at trolling.

Go read some of the old spiralx FAQs. You could really learn a thing or two.

Good Job (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128550)

Dear Troll,

We are plesed to inform you that, after careful consideration , we have accepted your troll into the Troll Library [slashdot.org].

You show a masterful skill at trolling.

Thank you for your time and your contribution.

Re:Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128584)

The Communists always brushed off anybody they didn't agree with by considering them crazy.

Here on this website the equivalent is to brand something a 'troll' and refuse to discuss it. Luckily there aren't Stalinist Death Camps for the Slashdotties to stick 'Astroturfers' and 'Trolls' into.

Re:Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128611)

"The Communists"? There's nothing you can say that Communists have done as a group.

As for this comment, it is blatantly ridiculous and trollish. This is about as terrorist friendly as any other networking... and I don't see very many people being worried about Cat 5 falling into the wrong hands.

What are we worried about? Terrorists might start up their own wireless ISPs? Heaven forfend.

Re:Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128574)

I like pants =)

Re:Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128618)

Pants are evil. You know it, and so do I.

Unless they are deathpants. Then they are OK.

Speaking of Crapflood (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128536)

HOW TO POOP AT WORK

We've all been there but don't like to admit it. We've all kicked back in our cubicles and suddenly felt something brew down below. As much as we try to convince ourselves otherwise, the WORK POOP is inevitable. For those who hate pooping at work, following is the 2001 Survival Guide for taking a dump at work. Memorize these definitions and pooping at work will become a pure pleasure.

ESCAPEE.
Definition: a fart that slips out while taking a leak at the urinal or forcing a poop in a stall. This is usually accompanied by a sudden wave of panic embarrassment. This is similar to the hot flash you receive when passing an unseen police car and speeding. If you release an escapee, do not acknowledge it. Pretend it did not happen. If you are standing next to the farter in the urinal, pretend you did not hear it. No one likes an escapee, it is uncomfortable for all involved. Making a joke or laughing makes both parties feel uneasy.

JAILBREAK (Used in conjunction with ESCAPEE).
Definition: When forcing poop, several farts slip out at a machine gun pace. This is usually a side effect of diarrhea or a hangover. If this should happen, do not panic. Remain in the stall until everyone has left the bathroom so to spare everyone the awkwardness of what just occurred.

COURTESY FLUSH.
Definition: The act of flushing the toilet the instant the nose cone of the poop log hits the water and the poop is whisked away to an undisclosed location. This reduces the amount of air time the poop has to stink up the bathroom. This can help you avoid being caught doing the WALK OF SHAME.

WALK OF SHAME.
Definition: Walking from the stall, to the sink, to the door after you have just stunk up the bathroom. This can be a very uncomfortable moment if someone walks in and busts you. As with all farts, it is best to pretend that the smell does not exist. Can be avoided with the use of the COURTESY FLUSH.

OUT OF THE CLOSET POOPER.
Definition: A colleague who poops at work and damn proud of it. You will often see an Out Of The Closet Pooper enter the bathroom with a newspaper or magazine under their arm. Always look around the office for the Out Of The Closet Pooper before entering the bathroom.

THE POOPING FRIENDS NETWORK (PFN).
Definition: A group of coworkers who band together to ensure emergency pooping goes off without incident. This group can help you to monitor the whereabouts of Out Of The Closet Poopers, and identify SAFE HAVENS.

SAFE HAVENS.
Definition: A seldom used bathroom somewhere in the building where you can least expect visitors. Try floors that are predominantly of the opposite sex. This will reduce the odds of a pooper of your sex entering the bathroom.

TURD BURGLAR:
Definition: A pooper who does not realize that you are in the stall and tries to force the door open. This is one of the most shocking and vulnerable moments that can occur when taking a dump at work. If this occurs, remain in the stall until the Turd Burglar leaves. This way you will avoid all uncomfortable eye contact.

CAMO-COUGH.
Definition: A phony cough that alerts all new entrants into the bathroom that you are in a stall. This can be used to cover-up a WATERMELON, or to alert potential Turd Burglars. Very effective when used in conjunction with an ASTAIRE.

ASTAIRE.
Definition: A subtle toe-tap that is used to alert potential Turd Burglars that you are occupying a stall. This will remove all doubt that the stall is occupied. If you hear an Astaire, leave the bathroom immediately so the pooper can poop in peace.

WATERMELON.
Definition: A turd that creates a loud splash when hitting the toilet water. This is also an embarrassing incident. If you feel a Watermelon coming on, create a diversion. See CAMO-COUGH.

HAVANA OMELET.
Definition: A load of diarrhea that creates a series of loud splashes in the toilet water. Often accompanied by an Escapee. Try using a Camo-Cough with an Astaire.

UNCLE TED.
Definition: A bathroom user who seems to linger around forever. Could spend extended lengths of time in front of the mirror or sitting on the pot. An Uncle Ted makes it difficult to relax while on the crapper, as you should always wait to drop your load when the bathroom is empty. This benefits you as well as the other bathroom attendees.

FLY BY.
Definition: The act of scouting out a bathroom before pooping. Walk in and check for other poopers. If there are others in the bathroom, leave and come back again. Be careful not to become a FREQUENT FLYER. People may become suspicious if they catch you constantly going into the bathroom.

Re:It sounds wonderful, except... (0, Troll)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128517)

Isn't knowing how to write an invitation to TERRORISTS? After all, if you can write, you might make instructions on how to do EVIL THINGS, and terrorists will use those instructions to SPREAD TERROR! Or, in other words, if you outlaw ANY knowledge, then, logically, you must outlaw ALL knowledge, because there IS NO knowledge that cannot somehow be used for 'evil' purposes.

Slippery slope argument. (1)

elenchos (237104) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128531)

Is it wrong to ask if this technology can be made safe? How do we know if we don't ask the question?

Re:Slippery slope argument. (2)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128604)

How is it unsafe? It's encryption technology. It's used to hide things. How can this 'be made safe?'

Re:Slippery slope argument. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128623)

Obviously, there's only one way to take care of this problem. We must give all of the encryption keys to John Ashcroft. It's the only way to be sure that no large orginization that rules through shady tactics and fear can take advantage of this technology.

Re:It sounds wonderful, except... (1, Offtopic)

SJ (13711) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128526)

I am guessing your joking here, because just about anything can be used to organize murderous attacks. Including, but not limited too...

Paper planes, pencils, pens, telephones, email, morse code, cars, hand signals, the list goes on.

BTW, your more likely to be hit by a car than killed by a terrorist. (No disrespect to those that have been).

Re:It sounds wonderful, except... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128546)

You've been trolled, but then again, you can't spell "you're".

Please stop typing until you've at least gotten a basic grasp of the English Language.

Re:It sounds wonderful, except... (-1)

CmdrTaco on (468152) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128587)

Ever smoke a muslim cigar? take a steaming pile of shit and wrap it in the skin of a dead arab baby penis. Toke up and hopefully you die, especially if you are islam scum.

Oh you didn't know Muslims eat their own children? Yes the practice is quite common.

Re:It sounds wonderful, except... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128636)

OK, I understand that taking the ignorant racist tack can lead to some funny trolls, but you don't even seem to be trying. Are you honestly a retarded humourless bastard, or do you just not have enough time to put some effort into being funny?

Considering you waste so much time here, I must assume the former...

If you want to troll Slashdot, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128589)

Learn [slashdot.org] from [slashdot.org] the [slashdot.org] masters [slashdot.org]. Either that, or go back to your shitty little wanky website [adequacy.org], Enchilitos.

-everybody else on Slashdot

Re:If you want to troll Slashdot, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128601)

Dear sir,

If those are the masters, I would hate to see their underlings.

Thank you.

Adequoid keyphrase (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128640)

"Dear sir"

I said go home, elenchos!

Re:Adequoid keyphrase (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128644)

Ahem.

This is the same AC who has been spamming this little boy's pathetic troll attempt. His user history shows that he has been doing this for a while.

I've been here a long time, and I have seen some great trollers. No one you mentioned is on that list.

Educate me then (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128688)

I make my own lists, but I would love to see yours for comparison. (Note that I only chose active trolls, not once great but now inactive ones. If I had, my list would be far too long)

http://www.geocities.com/spiralxuk/howto.html (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128652)

The /. troll HOWTO

This is version 0.6 of a troll HOWTO, sort of a companion piece to jsm's excellent troll FAQ. As a draft, comments and criticism are always welcome, if not appreciated :)

Section 1 - Trolling techniques

There are techniques used by successful trolls to elicit the maximum amount of responses from unthinking /.ers. This section is dedicated to explaining how to use these in the course of your trolls. Remember though, a great troll can break any or all of these and still be successful...

Timing

Because you're posting as an AC, your troll will generally be ignored in favour of posters using their accounts, and so getting in early is essential. A good guideline is to get into the first 20 posts, so that people reading the article will see the troll before it is swamped out. One way of increasing the speed with which you get your troll into play is to prepare them beforehand, and then quickly customise them for the current article. This is easier than it sounds since /. typically repeats stories with small variations and runs lots of similar stories.

Note that this is why Jon Katz stories are pretty worthless as trolling material - by the time you've found the article and prepared a troll there's already 50+ posts on it, most of them flaming Jon Katz anyway :)

Exposure

Once you've got your troll in, you need people to actually read it. You also want replies - /.ers are more likely to read your troll if it starts a large thread. You also want to remember that some people have set their comment thresholds to values higher than 0 - to get the attention of these you either want to get your post moderated up (see Style, below) or get a reply which gets moderated up to 4 or 5, in which case your troll becomes visible to all.

Accounts

An alternative to the time-honoured tradition of AC trolling is that of creating a "troll" account. This gives you the advantage of posting at 1 rather than 0, and slashbots are more likely to take you seriously, especially if you at least sound reasonable. If you do this, try to avoid posting stuff where it is obvious you're a troll under the account - post it anoymously instead - some slightly more canny readers actually check your user info before they reply. Not many though :)

The ultimate goal of the troll account is to secure the +1 bonus, which is currently received once you hit 26 points of Karma. To get there, employ the techniques of karma whoring that we see every day on /. and watch the karma roll in. And of course once you get the +1 bonus, the world is your oyster in terms of /. Posts made at a default of 2 hit even those people with the threshold of 2, are more likely to get moderated up even further if they are at all coherent, and people tend to lose their critical thinking abilities in the face of the +1 bonus. Milk it for all it's worth.

Layout

To get people reading it a troll needs to be easily readable. Make sure you break it down into easily digestible paragraphs, use HTML tags where appropriate (but always make sure you close them properly) and use whitespace appropriately.

Size

Generally a troll shouldn't be too short, otherwise it'll get lost in the crowd. A workable minimum is a couple of medium paragraphs. Conversely, it shouldn't be too long, or no- one will bother to read it. Keep it to a happy medium.

Spelling

Whilst spelling is important if you want the troll to be taken "seriously", key spelling mistakes can draw out the spelling zealots, especially if you mis-spell the name of a venerated /. hero, like Linus Torveldes or Richard Strawlman (thanks dmg). Related to this is the use of the wrong word, explaining an acronym as being something it isn't or making a word into an acronym even when it isn't.

Subject

The subject line needs to draw attention to your post without making it obvious that it is a troll. A simple statement of the main point of your argument can work here.

Style

Once you realise that most moderators don't bother to read past the first paragraph or two, you can use this fact to craft trolls that can be moderated up as "Insightful" (note that I mean this in the /. sense rather than the real-world sense). Start off fairly reasonable, making statements that are /. friendly and not being too controversial. As the troll goes on, make it more and more controversial, building it up for the coup de grace in the final paragraph.

Linking

As we all know, a post with links is considered "informative" by the /. crowd. Moderators love it, and they rarely check the links, so be sure to include as many as possible. And make them wrong - a link to the Perl website should instead point to the Python website instead, and vice versa. The other alternative to incorrect links is "useful" links to places like www.linux.org and www.microsoft.com i.e. places /.ers could never have found on their own :)

Feeding

The ideal troll requires no feeding - it runs on its own, generating flamewars between clueless /.ers for your amusement. But often a troll requires some help and so you should consider feeding it. Feeding is best reserved for people making either completely clueless responses, people making responses with holes in, or those wonderful people who write a 2000-word point-by-point rebuttal of your troll.

Know your audience

Always keep in mind the kind of things advocated on /. so that you can play on and against them. This is why anti-Linux, creationist, gun-loving, pro-corporation trolls work well - the vast majority of /.ers hold the opposite viewpoints. And if a few people agree with you, so much the better - it merely validates your viewpoint in the eyes of readers.

Arrogance

Be arrogant. You, as a troll, know that you're right. No other explanation could exist. The wronger the "fact", the more assertively you should state it. Make it clear that you are better than everyone else - you know the truth and they are just too stupid to realise it. Use plenty of sarcasm, and use "quotes" to show it to people too dumb to realise.

Offensiveness

Being offensive in your initial troll can be counter-productive - it causes moderators to mark you down as flamebait in general. But if you're feeding, then you can get away with calling /.ers all kinds of things. Make broad generalisations about /. readers - call them "long-haired Linux zealots", "socialist open-source bigots" or whatever. Stereotyping is encouraged - people always want to think that they're an individual, and will point this out to you given half a chance.

Indifference

Great for articles with a political or social bent, this kind of troll expresses complete indifference to the topic at hand, wondering who on Earth cares about it. An alternative method is to say that the topic only concerns a certain group of people - criminals, idiots, hackers (always use this instead of crackers) or whatever group you want to offend.

Sympathy

Appear to take the same stance as the people you're trying to troll - claim you're as much a fan of Linux as the next man, but... This way you can make all kinds of claims in the sure knowledge that you actually know what you're talking about. A great phrase to use here is "In my experience". Remember to act like all the things you're pointing out are unfortunate but true.

The common touch

Always accuse /.ers of being elitist. This is an easy thing to do seeing as a lot of them are. Claim that is their grandmother couldn't use it, then they are just into it to feel better than Joe Sixpack rather than "doing it for the average user". This is always great for working into anti-Linux trolls - attack command-line tools and poorly designed desktops.

The 31337 touch

The opposite of the above. Claim that technology or whatever is only for the elite of society and that any attempt to open it up for everyone is wrong, an attack on intellectualism and possibly even dangerous. If people were meant to understand these things then they would, and it's their fault if they're too stupid to learn.

Contradiction

Never be afraid to contradict yourself, even in the space of a single sentence. The phrases "I am a top programmer who codes in VB" or "I am a supporter of open source who uses NT at work and 95 at home" will be sure to get a response from some weenie smugly pointing out the contradiction. Confuse the issue more by engaging in contradiction when you are feeding - this will confuse /.ers who will then make even more stupid replies, leaving them even more wide open for response.

Clues

If you're feeling brave, give the reader clues that this is an obvious troll. The classic example here is dmg's stock phrase "I am often accused of trolling (whatever that is)", but also feel free to use phrases like "I have not read the article, and I don't know much about XYZ but I feel I must comment". If anyone responds to a troll with these kinds of clues in it, feel free to bask in the glow of knee-jerk /. responses.

Denial

If you're unlucky someone will accuse you of being a troll (surely not!) and try and ruin it for you. If you don't want it all to end there, then be sure to counter it by accusing them of being small-minded and petty, saying that it's easier for them to say it's a troll than to accept that people have different opinions. Be sure to say this in the subject line, especially if their subject was the infamous "YHBT. YHL. HAND."

Claiming credit

Given that /. has its community of regular trolls (hi guys!), it's only polite to publish your troll on one of the so-called "hidden" forums for all to see and admire. This way, you get to bask in the praise of other trolls, they get to contribute to your's if they want to, and you get an easy way to find the troll later on when you want to check on its progress :)

As for when to post it, that's a matter of opinion really. You can either post it straight away or leave it will after people start biting. Remember that the troll forum is also frequented by non-trolls, and sometimes you may get a self-declared "troll-buster" try and expose you. But remember, /.ers always post before thinking, and often it doesn't matter at all.

There is no real current forum at the moment thanks to various spammers hitting the sids, but try trolltalk, the original troll sid started by 80md and osm way back in the day. Generally all postings are done there as an AC, with your name at the end of the post. Include a link to the troll somewhere in the text, which ideally will be directly to the post and its replies - click on the #XX link in the thread to get there.

Ending the troll

Sometimes you just get bored with a troll, or people start posting genuinely thoughtful stuff in reply (it does happen). When this happens it might be time to own up to the troll with a helpful "YHBT. YHL. HAND." post. Sometimes people will carry on a discussion of the issue, and if you're really lucky (and it was a great troll) they will completely fail to believe you and carry on arguing. If that happens, pat yourself on the back for writing a great troll :)

The cheap $3 crack

Finally, when all else fails and your troll gets moderated down to (-1, Troll) within ten seconds of you posting it, the only honourable thing to do is to accuse the moderators of smoking the cheap $3 crack (again) and give up :(

Section 2 - Types of troll

The Maniac

Probably the most popular kind of troll, the Maniac holds an opinion on something, and won't budge from that opinion no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented. If challenged, the Maniac will simply get more and more agitated and abusive, deriding his opponents as "idiots", "wrong-thinking", "dangerous" and "subversive". Generally the Maniac takes a position that opposes the prevalent /. beliefs, but a similar effect can be achieved by taking a typical /. viewpoint and pushing it to ridiculous extremes.

Maniacs can be crafted for practically every article /. posts, although some are more obvious targets than others. Civil liberty articles, especially on things like censorship, DMCA, UCITA that really get /.ers riled up, are usually extremely fruitful grounds for a well-crafted maniac. The other obvious type of article is anything which could possibly involve religion, especially evolution :)

Here are some fruitful avenues to explore:

The Right-Wing Maniac

Always popular, the right-wing maniac (RWM) is a God-fearing, gun-toting, flag- waving American, and proud of it. They don't care about the rest of the world, unless it's to "prove" that America is better than everything else, and they cannot stand liberal whining over civil rights. They hate the moral decay of America and want it to revert into a nation of heterosexual, Christian whites like it was meant to be. Woe betide anyone that dares to suggest otherwise.

Religion

There are two ways to approach this kind of maniac. The harder to pull off is the militant atheist, but this is quite common amongst /. posters and you would have to be very offensive to get this to work. Of course with religion trolls, the argument can go on for ever once it's started... The more common approach is the Christian fundamentalist. They are ignorant, intolerant and bigoted in the extreme. For them the Bible is the inerrant word of God revealed to man - it contains no flaws and no contradictions. Thus they are strict Creationists - mentions of evolution or cosmology will set them off on vitriolic rants. Flaming denunciations of anyone daring to contradict the "Word of God" are the way to go, and any kind of proof can always be ignored by appealing to "secular humanist brainwashing". And let's not forget, the USA is the greatest nation on Earth because it has the righteous power of Jesus Christ behind it.

Ideology

Pick a philosophy, any philosophy. This troll is a troll with a cause - they have found some kind of ideological truth, and are out to expose every other philosophy as a sham. Whether it be libertarianism, objectivism, communism or capitalism, this troll will point out the obvious "flaws" in any other philosophies, whilst spouting dogma about their own. And the best thing is - you don't even need to know that much about what you're spouting - making doctrinaire mistakes will get both sides of the argument flaming you, adding to the fun.

Software

This is an old favourite and crops up in many forms, covering the gamut from OS maniacs (Linux zealots, MS-apologists or embittered BSD fanatics), language maniacs (Pascal vs. C, C vs. C++, C++ vs. Java, Perl vs. Python, VB vs. everything), application maniacs(GIMP vs. Photoshop, Netscape vs. IE, vi vs. emacs) and also includes people who complain about how technology should only be for the 31337 hackers.

Guns

Americans love their guns, and will always fight passionately for their Constitutionally guarenteed rights to bear arms and shoot people. Even the slightest hint of criticism of this will bring down the wrath of a thousand and one enraged gun-owners on you, so it's always a great point to work into a troll :)

The Expert

The Expert is someone who is "savvy" in their particular field, and is perfectly willing to give their opinion on any topic even vauguely related to their field. The Expert is most likely to be from a field which /.ers as a rule despise - the classic example is dumb marketing guy, but try consultants, lawyers, politicians, lobbyists, executives, journalists (just think Jon Katz). With this kind of troll sweeping statements with little content are the norm, along wire dire portents of future catastrophe and dark hints of "insider knowledge".

Some possible angles to exploit:

Industry knowledge

The expert knows the computing industry from the inside - as a long-term pro, they can dispense knowledge knowing that they can "speak for the industry". Their smug self-satisfaction is bound to annoy, as is any suggestion that things aren't the way that /.ers would like it - saying "Linux requires the rock-solid guarantee of a trusted company like Microsoft" or "Apache cannot be trusted for mission-critical enterprise platforms" is guaranteed to get you denials explaining exactly why you're wrong, in excruciating detail.

Helpful hints

With their tech-savvy (or law-savvy or whatever) experience, the expert is obviously the best person to point out what's wrong with things or to give out useful "factual" information. In fact this probably works best with lawyer trolls - for all that /.ers protest "IANAL", they certainly seem to think they could be, and any mistakes you make will send them rushing to prove themselves by correcting you.

Offtopic Trolls

Not really a "troll" in the strict Jargon File sense of the word, but they certainly should be included here :) This category includes parodies, offtopic weirdness any all kinds of amusing stuff. Not really my area of expertise, this stuff is mainly done by gnarphlager and opensourceman. Thanks to gnarphlager for this section.

Offtopic trolls, like any other, come in almost as many colours as an iMac, but generally not as cute. But then again, a good offtopic "troll" can affect more people than a repulsive little gumdrop on your desk, because you need to have someone SEE your desk before they can react. Simple? Moreso than even my overblown prose could indicate. Some basic examples:

The serial troll

Write a story. Keep expanding it. It doesn't matter what article you post it under, so long as it's high up. If you want people to recognize you, pick a couple themes or symbols, and carry them on throughout the story. Other alternatives include back linking or including the entire story, but adding more each time. Be funny if you want. Or if you don't feel like being funny, just be really weird. Someone will react.

The random troll

This has nothing to do with anything. Be it a stream of consciousness rant, or a description of the corner of your desk. Another favorite is a monologue, read as if spoken from any one given entity to another. The more outlandish, the better (a pair of socks talking to a mousepad, for example). If you really wanted to be artsy, work in an actual metaphor or legitimate meaning behind it, but it's not necessary.

The vaguely related troll

Start out with a comment about the article. Have a definite opinion of it. Then, after a little while, disintegrate into randomness. All roads eventually can eventually lead to cheese (yum), Natalie Portman, cannibalism, toasters, squirrels, futons, you name it. All it takes is a little bit of creativity. Oh, and feel free to use other trolls' motifs. Open source and all that ;-)

General tips:

If it's funny for a fleeting moment, then it's worth posting.
Puns. Puns are only less vile than mimes, but it's hard to mime on /. So feel free/ obligated to litter your offtopic and random bits with puns. Hurt the bastards. And if they're sick enough to laugh at them, then they'll eventually end up here ;-)
Obscure cultural references and injokes are always good. SOMEONE will get them eventually.
Several drafts of a serial or random post are common, but true elegance is being able to come up with something on the spot that still makes the top 40 posts (on a post-heavy article)

Section 3 - Useful trolling links

The following links contain background information useful for trolls needing quick quotes and "expert" opinions to include.

General purpose links

ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn
your enemy :)
www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments. html - A List Of Fallacious Arguments - Learn them and use them liberally
www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq .html - USENET troll HOWTO
www.baiting.org - Baiting.org
www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm - Fielding's DangerFinder - A guide to what and where's dangerous

Religious links

www.godhatesamerica.com/ - God Hates America
www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html - The Creed of Christian Reconstruction
www.demonbuster.com - How to cast out your demons and do spiritual warfare
riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/ri ggins/thi ngs.htm - Things Creationists

hate
www.icr.org/ - Institute for Creation Research
www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - The fight against Scientology on the net
www.hom.net/~angels/ - Citizens for the Ten Commandments
www.bju.edu/rcnbc.html - The difference between Catholics and Christians
www.geocities.com/prazske00/biblequote s.html - Bible quotes by category

Political/economy links

www.aynrand.org - The Ayn Rand Institute
www.reason.com - Libertarian site
www.freerepublic.com - Right-wing stuff
www.jbs.org - Excellent site for all kinds of right-wingery
www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html - Web economy bullshit generator

Crackpot science links

www.fixedearth.com - The Earth Is Not Moving
www.jir.com/index.htm - The Journal of Irreproducible Results

Re:http://www.geocities.com/spiralxuk/howto.html (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128706)

Sir, you have just inspired me to register an account, karma whore, and then do some top quality trolling. I will be the bested troll evar.

Re:http://www.geocities.com/spiralxuk/howto.html (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128714)

Personally I am into the whole copy and paste thing, like my sig says. I will crapflood slashdot into submission!

Re:It sounds wonderful, except... (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128667)

You really are a dummy dumb dumb. Rot in hell you magnificent bastard!

It has been one minute since I last posted.

It still has been one minute since I last posted.

Dear troll, (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128672)

Dear Troll,

We are sad to inform you that, after careful consideration , we have rejected your troll submission from the Troll Library [slashdot.org].

You show a a poor skill at trolling. Please go read Troll Howto, [geocities.com] and try again. Either that, or stick to adequacy. [adequacy.org]

Sputnik uses NoCat captive portal (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128505)

Sputnik didn't write the 'captive portal' authentication system. It's a GPL'd program called
NoCat. http://www.nocat.net/

Re:Sputnik uses NoCat captive portal (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128675)

Sorry dude, my name is Sputnik Jones and I wrote tha motherfucker. I didn't want to take any credit cus I get too much pussy and it would make me look bad.

I can fly in ten different colors.

business model? (3, Interesting)

nbvb (32836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128508)

OK, while I think this is some cool technology and is Linksys Done Right (tm), I have to ask...

In this post-dot-com era, where's the business model?

How do they expect to make money? LOTS of open-source software companies are making PLENTY of money these days, right?

Kudos to them for putting together what seems to be a really nice product -- I just wouldn't expect to get rich at this one.

Linuxcare -- the Clemens fastball down the middle...
Sputnik -- The breaking ball down and out that the Babe himself couldn't hit.

So where's strike 3 coming from?

--NBVB

Re:business model? (2, Informative)

oherntp (203700) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128553)

If you actually go READ the site....

They are taking the GPL'd nocat software and adding a few touches. Some of their source mods get relesed some are sold with the premium package.

Re:business model? (2, Insightful)

grantus (261016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128806)

In the story, the Linuxcare founders talk about also selling a partly proprietary version of this software to large companies. Basically, same concept with several more security add-ons to sell to corporations worried about firewalling their data away from other wireless users.

Is that enough of a business model to support a cool project? To me, it makes as much sense as most Open Source business models, but only time will decide.

Grant
NewsForge

This is actually pretty cool (4, Informative)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128512)

Even with Ricochet coming back, this seems like a much better idea if it catches on. Granted, if there are no gateways, nobody can use it, but it'd be a lot faster than Ricochet and (it seems) based off actual usage, not monthly fees. It seems there's a lot of potential for abuse here, but I'd definately like to check this out, it seems like a good way to make a little extra cash (though I'm curious if there's a way to block out abusive users, I don't need any m4d h4x0rz cracking machines through my IP.) This will also probably violate a lot of ISPs ToSes, but who cares, most of us are violating them anyway. :)

Yeah (2, Interesting)

jred (111898) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128513)

I don't know if the ISPs will be pissed off or not. This seems like a fairly straight business deal. Running it from CD makes me wonder how customizable it'll be. They're planning to make money by charging roamers to connect, while letting their partners (w/ fat pipes) connect for free.

If anything, it should make the consumer broadband ISPs happy, since it restricts unauthorized use.

Re:Yeah (1)

jred (111898) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128525)

I should've clarified my comment a bit. They aren't aiming at consumers, but at businesses. Businesses have different TOSs than Joe Blow. I'm sure some of them allow them to resell.

Also, assuming this catches on, there's actually a decent business plan, so they can always pay an ISP tax (which will most likely screw the Mom-n-Pops).

Re:Yeah (1)

Slash Veteran (561542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128555)

standard business TOS specifically excludes right to resell. I've seen it time and time again; DSL, cable, T1, ISDN.

Re:Yeah (2)

bourne (539955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128562)

They aren't aiming at consumers, but at businesses.

I don't see that on their site - where are you seeing it?

The definition on their Sputnikology [sputnik.com] page seems to imply both consumers and businesses:

Sputnik Affiliate

A person or company that sets up a Sputnik Gateway and shares unused bandwidth with others. Sputnik Affiliates get priority roaming access across all Sputnik Gateways.

Re:Yeah (3, Interesting)

bourne (539955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128543)

I don't know if the ISPs will be pissed off or not....If anything, it should make the consumer broadband ISPs happy, since it restricts unauthorized use.

That depends on who is running the gateway. If the ISP is running the gateway, great, happy ISP. If Joe Blow with a cable modem sets this up and allows anyone in the Sputnik network to use his connectivity, the ISP will be less happy.

Look at the Sputnik Sign Up [sputnik.com] page. Doesn't look like they're only planning on working with the ISPs...

(Arguably, this use would conflict with the "not-for-profit" clause of most high-speed internet access agreements. So the ISPs probably do have a leg to stand on. God knows they can't build a decent mail server, but they do know how to litigate...)

Re:Yeah (2)

ender81b (520454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128657)

Not really a big deal when you consider that there is *no* way for them to know this is occuring... unless someone tells them of course. None. Zip. Zilch. ZeRo.

I do remember reading somewhere that the cable companies where trying to introduce a new form of adressing that would allow them to 'see' everything behind a NAT (the premise to prevent this type of type and to charge you per computer).

Detecting connection sharing. (3, Interesting)

Christopher Thomas (11717) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128715)

Not really a big deal when you consider that there is *no* way for them to know this is occuring... [...] None. Zip. Zilch. ZeRo.

Unless they just sniff packet headers and notice that you're web surfing while you're playing Quake. Kind of difficult to do that with only two hands and one pair of eyes.

Or unless they notice that you're viewing dozens of web pages per second.

Either way, they'd have a hard time *proving* you're up to something, but they can jerk your connection around under any number of pretenses on their end. If this becomes a big problem, believe me, they'll start squashing people who try this.

They promote that though (1)

systemaster (174904) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128720)

Here in wisconsin our cable service is road runner. And the commercials for the service basically show two of the characters using the internet at the same time. They advertise multible computers online. Given that they only give you one modem and one IP, how can they then discurage NAT???
This sig is a virus, take it and use it.

I don't know aobut this. (5, Interesting)

citroidSD (517889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128516)

From the article I get the impression it seems like one could mistake this for one of those affiliate "scams." Let me get this straight, I set up a wireless node, and then I get paid for my bandwidth, or I can connect to other wireless sputnik nodes? Only problem with that is that my (and your) broadband providers aren't going to be to keen on the idea of me being a reseller of bandwidth, when I originally signed up as an end home consumer for DSL. I'm not harping on the hardware and code, that seems all nice and nifty, but the idea of reselling your bandwidth probably will not go over too well.

Re:I don't know aobut this. (2)

sabinm (447146) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128551)

That may be true. However, if you're using DSL you pay for the bandwidth, and if you are secure enough, they have no right (or proof for that matter)to deny you service. You setup an authentication service ala VPN and you can charge your neighbors for the privledge of using your "NETWORK SERVICE" and the bandwidth is just incidental. This wouldn't work on a cable net too much, where you pay 5-10 dollars extra for the benefit of multiple ip address, but this would be an excellent service for a 1.5 dsl link.

Re:I don't know aobut this. (1)

Slash Veteran (561542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128563)

have you ever read the TOS for any modern ISP? They have every right, per the TOS, to shut you down; not just for reselling bandwidth, but often just for sharing it. The TOS limits the user of the ISP's service to you and your computers, not your neighbor, etc.

freenetworks.org (3, Informative)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128592)

Wake up dude. Your missing the boat. We don't need ISPs anymore.

www.freenetworks.org

Massive traffic requires a backbone. (4, Interesting)

Christopher Thomas (11717) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128701)

Wake up dude. Your missing the boat. We don't need ISPs anymore.

That's true if your traffic is local to your neighbourhood.

If you want to route traffic through more than your neighbourhood, though, you're going to run into problems. If the area you're routing traffic in is more than a few hops wide, you'll either be spending most of your bandwidth routing other peoples' messages, or you'll have to set up dedicated high-bandwidth links to let long routes bypass most users' nodes. Now if you have a network of these links... you have something that looks a lot like the existing backbone.

If you have a backbone to maintain, you have to charge for use of the backbone to amortize building and maintenance costs. This gives you a multi-level system where the people running the backbone sell bandwidth to people who locally redistribute the bandwidth.

Which looks a lot like the current system of multiple levels of ISPs.

ISPs exist for a reason. If you try to do away with them, you'll just end up having to reinvent them.

Great idea...where's the source (1)

drwho (4190) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128527)

Gee, I was starting to make my own thing like this. I am not unhappy that they beat me to the gate though.

But where's the source? All I see is the ISO download. Unless the source can fit in the 48 or whatever megs.

Now, to burn it onto a mini-CD......

Re:Great idea...where's the source (2, Informative)

Forrestina (120989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128626)

it can fit of course in 48 megs. it's not like it's windows...

all this is is a nice installer for a linux install, and NoCatAuth http://nocat.org which is a GPL program. so they'd damn well better be giving out source...

Hopes it takes off (1)

maelstrom (638) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128530)

'cuz I know I sure would like to be able to roam at will and stay connected to my IV drip otherwise known as the Internet.

Re:Hopes it takes off (4, Interesting)

Forrestina (120989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128699)

i hope it fails.

here's why:
i am part of a free wireless community already, i founded one in my town. we, unlike sputnik are working with ISP's to work out what would be acceptable with them. so that we save money, and they make just as much, but most likely on less tech support costs.

sputnik isn't making any such attempts. they say at the bottom, please observe your isp's rules. bullshit, they're encouraging you to share your @home cable connection, which isn't allowed.

in doing this, they are going to make isp's lock down against connection sharing, and when any honest community wireless group aproaches them, they will already have a bad taste in their mouth.

another thing is, they are trying fairly hard to hide the fact that all their software is, is an installer for linux and NoCatAuth. (http://nocat.org), which is a GPL application for authentication.

so, here's to sputnik crashing and burning as fast as possible before they make all of us geeks out here trying to use our laptops in the park look like a bunch of swindling criminals like sputnik are.

Just wanted to say... (-1)

CmdrTaco on (468152) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128560)

I hate muslim scum. The whole fucking religion is shit and I spit on Allah daily. It must burn those infidelic pagan shit pipes that there are people out there that mock their Allah. Allah, the man whore of truckstops. When will he ever stop fucking young boys in the ass and sucking cocks all night? When oh when.

I piss on muslim women also. I piss on them in front of their children. Then I have the suck my cock. Those muslim sluts suck good cock.

I guess my point is to rile up muslim shit-persons to show them as the animals they are. Less than animals in fact. The religion is an embarassment to the human race. I pray for the day that all muslims die. And they must die horrible deaths. Then we can use their teeth to pave roads, the hair to stuff mattresses, and their eyeballs to feed our livestock. then for once in their lives they would be useful.

Allah is shit.
Mohamed is a fucking whore.
Islam is homosexuality personified.
All muslims, please die.

have a nice day. I hate you all.

Re:Just wanted to say... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128686)

Yawn. Ralph "JH" Nader 0wnz your pathetic ass.

What a breath of fresh air. (4, Interesting)

Exmet Paff Daxx (535601) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128571)

Personally, I'm sick of the fact that I have two choices for getting broadband into my house: the Cable Monopoly and the Telephone Monopoly. What incentive do I have to follow their "User Agreements" when both of them are in violation of numerous antitrust laws? None. Look at Verizon: they beat every last CLEC to death, and now they've introduced legislation to "deregulate" the broadband market, which means "exercise monopoly power over".

So, now we have a tool. A way for one person to subscribe for DSL or Cable Modem service and share their connection with the entire neighborhood, who can provide kickbacks in the form of cash. With a properly configured distribution of this package, it's entirely possible to make your routing/NAT'ing of your neighbors traffic completely undetectable.

How's that for sticking it to the man? Illegal monopolies: This Is Your Wakeup Call!

Re:What a breath of fresh air. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128596)

whoops.

You just violated the TOS for your Net connection.

*snip*

Re:What a breath of fresh air. (2, Informative)

Forrestina (120989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128615)

if you really want to stick it to the man.... don't sign up with some company to do it!

try hooking up with wireless groups around the country....

http://awip.truffula.net
http://personaltelco.n et
http://seattlewireless.net
http://freenetwork s.org
http://consume.net
http://free2air.org
ht tp://nycwireless.org
http://houstonwireless.org

just a few examples..... there are lots more... or start your own group.

Re:What a breath of fresh air. (2)

vekotin (535759) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128655)

Oh don't smile yet. They've been selling broadband wireless here(Finland) for two years or so now, in various styles. So far, there aren't too many nice words for it. In some places, it works, but often, the ISP's are greedy and their tech knowledge is zip.

Sometimes they just lack customer service, sometimes they don't how far that certain antenna actually reaches, sometimes they forget that some people aren't experts in installing pcmcia wireless cards on their first workstation they just bought a month ago. Sometimes they're overpriced. Sometimes they got too many people in the same access point. And almost always they lie about actual performance.

The list is endless, however no matter how the ISP provides the internet connection, some basic things are just the same. WLAN's can save initial setup costs but they still need tech people behind it, they need customer service and they need proper pricing. I really do hope that somewhere else around the world, companies will actually do this PROPERLY. From all I've studied here, it wouldn't be impossible at all.

The technology is good. We got a lot of employees home networks connected to the office with WLAN and we're looking at extremely long link uptimes even during snowstorms and even with long distances. Why does every ISP claim that WLAN, by definition isn't reliable...

Reselling bandwidth (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128573)

Reselling bandwidth this way is going to get a lot of people bumped off their Internet Provider. It's almost always one of the Terms of Service that customers can't do so. I would estimate that ISPs will just firewall people away from the Sputnik server that 'handles the billing.'

Or automatically close accounts of customers who access said server.

And what happens when.. (3, Interesting)

thesupraman (179040) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128586)


..somone sniffing the network either captures your 'login' session, or simple takes over your 802.11 session?

don't get me wrong, this is a good thing in many ways, but 802.11 is suck a leaky system that ANYTHING based on it has an inherent problem, short of limiting all connections to authenticated ssh or ipsec connections.

802.11a/b/x is simple broken, and NO 'standard' ip connection routed over it can improve this, hwich is unfortunate, it's ONLY safe if you use a suitable encryption/authentication layer on top of it.

of course, the number of people who realise just how public all internet data is seems to be a very small number, let alone the number of people who realise that email is in effect a public forum, and should NOT be used to forward their credit card numbers.

the part about a simple setup for an 802.11 gateway is a good thing, it can be a pain to set up under linux, but hardly a revolutionary step.

authentication... (0, Informative)

hajmola (82709) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128614)

'not gonna work!' my university has a similar authentication system. basically, if your MAC address has been verified by our authentication server, DHCPD will issue correct DNS servers. otherwise, all non-authenticated MACs get DNS servers that route all traffic to the "registration" page. BUT you can put in your own DNS servers and voila, you're past this security feature fairly quickly.

Re:authentication... (2, Interesting)

cgori (11130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128653)

that's a bridge-based way to look at it. imagine if all the routers were configured to route all the packets to the registration machine? Non-trivial with a typical hardware-based router
feature set (except for very high-end Cisco), but for a software-based device like this, pretty easy to categorize web traffic and forward/rewrite all internal http packets (or even just all IP traffic, pretty much stonewalling you in with little CPU effort expended). Then when you register on the page it sends some lovely token enabling routing from your IP and briding from your MAC.

Wireless Router Obsolete? (1)

GregBurrow (558217) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128622)

I was considering buying a wireless router to share my cable connection with my laptop. From what I have read, it does not seem necessary to buy a wireless router anymore. Anyone disagree?

Re:Wireless Router Obsolete? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128698)

You would still need a way for the wirelessly-connected laptop to get Net access... presumably through another computer with a wireless card. In the end, it's probably not going to save you much unless you already have the cards.

Re:Wireless Router Obsolete? (1)

GregBurrow (558217) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128709)

The idea was that instead of 2 wireless nics ($200) and a wireless router ($200) only the nics would be necessary.

Re:Wireless Router Obsolete? (1)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128724)

I still haven't gotten a valid technical explaination (with ASCII art diagrams) on why this doesn't work.

But apparently, it doesn't work.

Re:Wireless Router Obsolete? (2, Informative)

techy (23032) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128721)

You never did have to buy a wireless router. There are several Linux distributions that integrate firewall and wireless gateways. IMHO this seems like just a repackaged solution. Take a look at:

.. and others ...

Re:Wireless Router Obsolete? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3128800)

I have a linksys wmp11 and a linksys wusb. My wmp11 is in my linux box running iptables and dhcpd in adhoc mode... everything works fine. I have no use for a wilress router as my linux box does everything and more.

No offense (2)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128717)

...but I can get a wireless gateway cheaper than a laptop...
...selling access probably violates my contract with my ISP...
...It sounds great for hotels wanting to buy a prepackaged deal, but most go through commercial ISPs...

I'm not really sure what market they're trying to corner here... They're not planning on profitting from this are they?

No offense guys, cool idea and all, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Apple Access Points (0, Offtopic)

rbruels (253523) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128749)

You know -- Apple was the first major computer company to spread the use of 802.11b to the consumer market. Some people will argue that point, because people love to flame Apple, but the fact is that AirPort-ready laptops have been produced for years now, starting a good year or more ahead of mainstream 802.11b-ready Intel/AMD-based laptops.

I know Sputnik is a startup, just taking its first steps, so I understand you still have work to do. But I will tell you, this is right down the alley of most of us Mac users. We've always been the rebellious types, that's why we do what we do. I hope we see this gateway for PowerPC machines soon.

As a side note, I do appreciate that you point out Macintosh clients can connect as easily as any other. It's true. And probably easier (one click in the AirPort menu!) But I hope you soon offer us the ability to spread the project, too. :)

Keep up the good work.

Ryan

limited 802.11b card support (2, Informative)

iamnetboy (134229) | more than 12 years ago | (#3128793)

I wish they supported more than just the lame Intersil Prism II cards. I have two lucent/orinico, and a cisco aironet :( I was all set to download, but then I read the requirements [sputnik.com]. Here's hoping that more coverage will come. Its all there in the kernel and/or pcmcia-cs.
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