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CRT Eavesdropping: Optical Tempest

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the tinfoil-house dept.

Security 219

PortalCell writes "LED status monitors may potentially leak data in a few applications, but worse: Markus Kuhn has now revealed (pdf) that it's possible to read your monitor indirectly just by observing how the blue flicker lights up the room! Forget taping up LEDs or living in a metal box - now you might have to do without sunlight to be secure!" Hopefully people will also stop submitting the LED story now.

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wow (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136133)

Wow

Re:wow (-1)

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Re:wow (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136147)

Wow is right. That was the lamest first post I have seen in quite some time.

In typical AC fashion...

woohoo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136135)

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Re:woohoo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136169)

should be +1 insightful, +1 informative

First first post. (-1, Troll)

Hodr (219920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136136)

Probab;ly wont go through, but this is my first First post.
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First pi post! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136137)

3 = 141 and so on!

HA HA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136140)

FUCK YOU

Not again... (1, Funny)

danro (544913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136142)

I better get my tin foil hat out, or get a TFT...

On the other hand... (2, Interesting)

danro (544913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136166)

Considering the quality of the output, maby a funky wallpaper and transparent terminals might be enough for all the tin foil hat type persons out there...

A _field_ test of this would probabli yield a even worse picture, methinks...

Re:On the other hand... (3, Insightful)

SagSaw (219314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136279)

"A _field_ test of this would probabli yield a even worse picture, methinks..."

The method used is very simple, and could be vastly improved by using better/more sensors, more computing power (for higher order filters/longer convolutions), or more time to experimentally tune the process to the characteristics of the target display. It must be assumed that the big boys (i.e. world governments, maybe some corporations) have access to all three of the above.

Re:Not again... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136199)

Dude, didn't you know? Now they can hear your data from 15 miles away by reading those clicking noises your drive makes...

It's madness! Soon it really will be like Blade Runner - my digital camera will be able to go round corners just like the Vespa thingy does, "Left a bit, right a bit, go behind the pillar..."

And that thing about how a butterfly flapping its wing in China affects stuff in the US? You'll be able to photo that from Chicago...

TFT! (1, Redundant)

ThatComputerGuy (123712) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136264)

Yeah, I better get my Tin Foil Top out too..

Re:Not again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136343)

I bet in five years they'll technology to hear/see your thoughts. People see to think their thoughts are some sort of sanctuary that will be forever out of bounds of technology. That assumption is baseless.

But dropping the tinfoil hat comment was right on topic here. Technology that scavanges signals from ambiant radiation per the topic, will be the exact type of thing that will be able to look into your head.

Put an electrode in the right place, filter out a range of signals, and *woosh* your presumed sanctuary dissapears and your soul lays open like a gutted fish.

I've not heard of anything that can do this yet. But it will just be a matter of time. There is no magic concealing our thoughts.

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136143)

Sounds like Michael doesn't think this is a major security issue ;>

Well. (0, Troll)

electricmonk (169355) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136144)

now you might have to do without sunlight to be secure!

This certainly explains Linux's stellar security record of late.

Please change your sig (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136254)

Some of us are browsing /. from the workplace (sure beats doing actual work) and cannot use a better browser than IE, and I guess it's your sig that widens the page with a windowed IE (I get scrollbars unless I suppress your post). Have mercy on us poor souls, thank you.

Re:Well. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136354)

electricmonk is a closet homosexual that molests children and sucks mens testicles while getting boned up the ass from his dad while his mother fingers herself watching it.

Interesting concept but... (1, Interesting)

ZaneMcAuley (266747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136145)

how practical/feasable/reliable is it? Wont data be missing if a shadow or a person walks in front of it and make it hard to put together?

Re:Interesting concept but... (1)

ZaneMcAuley (266747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136167)

With wireless networks now gaining ground that doesn't require direct line of sight, I would think this is rather an academic evesdrop rather than a real world applicable one.

Re:Interesting concept but... (2)

Spy Hunter (317220) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136308)

Wont data be missing if a shadow or a person walks in front of it and make it hard to put together?

I don't see how the problem would be any worse for this technique than for simply looking at a CRT through binoculars. If someone blocks the light, you won't be able to read the screen for a few seconds. Oh well. Besides, since this technique can be used on diffusely reflected light from a wall, it would be MORE resistant to obstructions than direct observation, because the person's shadow would have to obstruct almost all of the light coming from the CRT to keep it from reflecting off of other objects, instead of the person just blocking direct line of sight from the CRT to you. In fact, the whole point of the technique is that it doesn't require a direct line of sight to the screen to read it.

Re:Interesting concept but... (1)

ZaneMcAuley (266747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136332)

Not direct line of sight for the CRT, but you need a direct line of sight to the reflected image/light and for the LEDs on a rack but i guess its very situational dependant.

Hopefully the people who submit read too (2, Funny)

beamz (75318) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136149)

"Hopefully people will also stop submitting the LED story now."

This article was posted Wednesday. Maybe people will get the clue and read slashdot before they send in submissions and just maybe the editors will do the same as well.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/06/1221 22 4

Just be thankful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136160)

This article was posted Wednesday. Maybe people will get the clue and read slashdot before they send in submissions and just maybe the editors will do the same as well.


Given Slashdot's track record, we should be glad that the editors haven't reposted the LED story several times already. Heh.

a post isisiis (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136150)

First Post????

Factoid. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136151)

Interesting fact:

The refresh rate on an LED is slower that the transmission rate of just about any current communications equipment.

Secondary Fact:

Most equipment uses LED's to show packet transfer.

Read the Article (2)

Wire Tap (61370) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136307)

This works only for 10 MBs and lower equipment. IE: phone modems, many NICs, etc... etc...

LCD monitors and laptops are safer from this (4, Informative)

phr2 (545169) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136154)

than CRT's. Kuhn's attack works by rapidly sampling the light intensity as the electron gun whizzes around the CRT screen. With LCD's, the light comes from a constantly-on fluorescent tube and there's not the same type of scanning; the LCD itself reacts much more slowly than a CRT does. The optical emanations just don't have as much bandwidth and can't carry all that info. Of course you still might leak screen contents thru RF emissions from the video card, but that's the usual TEMPEST that we already know about. (Note: this info is from Kuhn's paper).

LCD (1)

Account 10 (565119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136155)


This technique relies on the raster nature of CRTs ... therefore, for our own safety, I think the government ought to buy us all nice large LCD monitors.

Ridiculous (0)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136158)

I'd love to see someone put this into practice as a proof of concept, because other than having a mirror that can be monitored, the composite merged colour of a room couldn't remotely be decoded into what was actually on the screen.

Re:Ridiculous (2, Informative)

wirelessbuzzers (552513) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136226)

Did you read the article? If not, please do not post that it is ridiculous. What you didnt notice was that the color you get from such an attack is merged only with the ambient color from the room, which could be filtered out by a simple brightness, contrast calculation. The color from the monitor is not merged because different pixels light up at different times in a CRT.

Re:Ridiculous (2, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136255)

Obviously the content of the paper is beyond (without a serious time investment) about 99.999% of the Slashdot population (definitely including myself), however scanning through it it simply sounds like an absurd premise : A computer monitor is not a flashlight, but is rather an ambient source of light whose net effect on any section of an opposing wall would not, in my opinion, be a "image" but a composite of all of the pixels put together. The timing of the scanlines is a consideration, however given the phosphor decay with the unknown intensity of the drawn pixels (i.e. pixels in the middle of the screen may still be brighter than the pixels being drawn at the top) make the idea of reading from diffuse reflection seemingly absurd for anything other than extremely high contrast test cases.

As far as the examples given: Let's just say that I'd like to see it in action before believing it...

Re:Ridiculous (1)

neonstz (79215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136242)

You should really read the story before you post a comment. The pdf describes exactly how this stuff works, and even comes with sample screens which were captured using this method. It really works. There were no problems seeing the 5 fingers on the standard windows hand cursor (the resolution was 640x480 at 85Hz). The image was captured from the "reflections from a nearby wall".

Re:Ridiculous (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136271)

Wow, you wanna buy a bridge? I have a couple for sale. Those fingers weren't even in the 4Mhz butterworth filter one (or do you believe it when you see movies when 4 pixels are "processed" into a complex, intricate document), and personally my trusting guess was that it just happened to be on the screen when he did a screenshot for the last two. However, again, I'd believe it if in an uncontrolled situation with a standard wall (you know: one that isn't a mirror) it could be read.

Re:Ridiculous (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136303)

Whoops, missed a "pre" there: I meant to say that they weren't in the pre-4Mhz filter one.

Re:Ridiculous (1)

neonstz (79215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136344)

Remember that all screenshots in the documents are just an 8 bit 2D representation of the data. The signal probably has much higher resolution. You may not see the fingers in the first image because the signal level is very low compared to the rest.

Re:Ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136245)

They did put it into practice. Read the fucking paper [cam.ac.uk] instead of posting the first damn uninformed thought that comes into your head. The information is there in the time domain due to CRT raster scanning and is extractable if you have a fast enough sensor.

Re:Ridiculous (3, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136318)

Were you signing up for your cold fission with a sock and a cup of water when that was announced? Sorry but the premise just seems questionable given that computer screens usually have P22 phosphor, which has a decay of, or so I've heard, about 100 usecs for the blue and green, and up to 1000 usec for the red, yet this paper shows their test case shows a 90% decline (to 10%) in about 0.55 usecs...I don't know if they have either a super-short persistence monitor, or they sanded it down, but it doesn't sound comparable to the average monitor that the average person has (and their monitor would give you one hell of a headache at less than about a 500Hz refresh rate... :-)).

Again, my doubt is regarding non-trivial test cases with a normal computer monitor : Yeah if the raster gun was drawing a line on the opposing wall then it could be read, but it's a question about realistic implementation with real hardware.

Re:Ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136325)

Argh...make that cold fusion. :-)

Re:Ridiculous (1)

CTalkobt (81900) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136263)

It doesn't have to be. THe intent here was to read the text on the screen. Hence, through the combined output of the raster guns you can get a somewhat greyscale image.

I won't submit that story (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136162)

when katz stops submitting his wang in your asses.

Cover the windows! (1)

KartMan (565213) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136168)

I've already painted my walls and made a tinfoil hat for my computer - now I'll have to cover my windows with black plastic. Maybe Transmeta knew about this back in the day? Well, I guess it didn't help them, their competitors must have stole their, uh, secrets.

Re:Cover the windows! (3, Funny)

martissimo (515886) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136211)

Forget the hat, in times like theese only a Full tinfoil body suit [visi.com] will do!

Knowing your enemy (3, Insightful)

sting3r (519844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136170)

I am no advocate of government eavesdropping. I am a card-carrying ACLU member and have sent funds to the EFF prior to the passage of just about every draconian piece of legislation since the DMCA.

I see a lot of potential in this sort of technology, though. When the government wants to crack down on terrorism / kiddie porn / the "threat" of the day, they will usually issue tens to hundreds of search warrants and confiscate tons of computer equipment in the name of "finding the bad guys." They will no longer have an excuse to do that, since they will now be able to eliminate potential suspects just by looking at light that was leaked from their residences. This will be a true victory for those of us (remember SJ Games?) who are scrutinized by our government without reason: they will have no reason to break into our private homes, steal our legitimately purchased equipment, and go on a "fishing expedition" in search of wrongdoing. No judge could ever let them harass a criminal suspect unless they have exhausted all other avenues and proven to the judge that that suspect is actually engaged in wrongdoing.

And that is good for us all.

-s3r

Re:Knowing your enemy (1)

adam613 (449819) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136231)

Or it could allow them to find MORE people to terrorize.

Secret Police to Judge: "We looked at his monitor emissions and he was reading about terrorism. No, we can't tell you what it was. Why not? National security."

Re:Knowing your enemy (3, Interesting)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136288)

they will now be able to eliminate potential suspects just by looking at light that was leaked from their residences
But isn't this exactly the same as the case where they used thermal imaging to determine a pot growing operation? I think that case was thrown out, as an invasion of privacy.

I don't see how decoding blue light leaking from a residence would differ from decoding infrared radiation leaking from a residence.

I'm all for catching bad guys every way possible, (and even for reducing the rights of the masses to do this) but given the current state of affairs, I don't think this would work without the same warrants required for other monitoring.

Neat technology, though. One night, after seeing the neighbors TV glow flickering on their wall, I had thought about how it should be possible to monitor people's TV viewing habits, but spotting the patterns of illumination, comparing it to known broadcasts. Should be trivial to find the best match. Just one more thing for the paranoid conspiracy theorists to worry about. :-)

-me

Get with the program guys! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136171)

Hopefully people will also stop submitting the LED story now.

Umm, its a big story what do you expect?

Pi crap! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136174)

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Van Eck phreaking (2, Interesting)

ushac (457868) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136175)

Wow, that's really neat. I wonder how good the results of this is compared to say van Eck phreaking (eavsdropping on the EMI emitted by the CRT-gun)?

Regards / ushac

Spying from the Outside (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136181)

Of Couse, this is along the lines of looking in through windows from the buildings from across the street.

If your server is in a oversized closet opening into an inside room, then the odds of someone actually doing something with it from the outside is pretty slim.

Of course, If you have to worry about a hacker from inside the company, then you have other problems as it is.

I ran! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136185)

And I ran
I ran so far away.
I just ran
I ran all night and day
I couldn't get away

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*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136187)

Netcraft officially confirms *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Du to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive it will only be among hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay like rotten meat. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dying

Re:*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136289)

are you forgeting about mac OSX? rather than dying, I think *BSD usuage is growing faster than ever before.

Re:*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136323)

"BSD is Dying" Troll! Where have you been?!?!? We've all missed you. Some people like the hot grits troll better, but your lame trolls were always my favorite. I had thought you had given up, passed the mantle on to other up and coming trolls, but amazingly, you just keep going and going, like the energizer bunny. Do you know, that for the effort you expended, just posting this tired piece of flamebait, you could have done any other number of positive/constructive things?

Assuming that it required roughly 14 calories to cut'n'paste this from /home/Troll/bsd_is_dying.txt, you could have performed other activities such as, growing 3 new neurons (bringing the total up to 7 or 8), breathing for another 10 seconds (thanks for not wasting it on this, many of the slashdot community applaud every opportunity you take to refuse doing things that would postpone your death), or even 'thought'. Yes, that's right. You could have done something many of us take for granted, but is insufferably difficult for yourself, force those mental gears to move. Mind you, we all believe in you, and that someday, you will actually partake in this mental activity, our hope and faith is as strong as ever, even if a few of us are rather impatient.

Keep at it, "BSD is Dying" troll, without you, there'd be no slashdot.

Sunlight==good (5, Insightful)

los furtive (232491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136188)

now you might have to do without sunlight to be secure!

According to the text it's just the opposite:

In a sufficiently
dark environment and with a large enough sensor aperture, practically significant reception distances are possible.

That's just another reason why I'd rather not subscribe to /. Not only do the editors fail to avoid dupicate stories, those submitting them don't even read them properly.

Re:Sunlight==good (3, Insightful)

_underSCORE (128392) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136228)

actually, I think they were talking about working in a totally windowless office.

Well, at least I'm secure... pasty white, but secure.

Re:Sunlight==good (3, Insightful)

jamus (1439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136235)

I think he was talking about a building not having any windows to be secure, rather than the amount or kind of light in the room.

People can't see the LED's if they can't see in your windowsless building. You also won't be able to see the sun :P

Re:Sunlight==good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136236)

I think the guy means that you'll have to close the doors, black-out the windows, move to the basment, etc. Hence do without sunlight.

Possibly.

I'VE GOT A PLAN! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136189)

Wouldn't it obscure the data to uselessness if you had a TV located right beside your moniter? or if you had a REALLY bright light in the room and the screen brightness low?

Reece,

Re:I'VE GOT A PLAN! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136291)

RTFA!

Waste of cpu cycles (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136191)

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Re:Waste of cpu cycles (1)

heretic108 (454817) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136274)

Has any Windows XP source code turned up in there yet?

Yet another advantage of Linux... (4, Funny)

cmckay (25124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136196)

From the end of page 14:
"Rooms where a significant amount of the ambient light comes from displayed sensitive information should be shielded appropriately, for example by avoiding Windows."

Ha! Take that, Microsoft!
--Cam

Pretty Obvious (2)

Renraku (518261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136202)

This whole thing was pretty obvious. If you've ever driven by houses with televisions near windows when the tv is on, you usually see a blue room. Get some really sensitive piece of equipment, and you could measure the blue content and get an image of their screen. Specially tinted windows could reduce or eliminate this threat, but you could tell from the outside that the windows were tinted such.

Re:Pretty Obvious (1)

Account 10 (565119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136282)

If it is so obvious, why didn't you write the paper?

And just because there is a blue glow doesn't mean there is information - if the decay of the phosphor was too slow the information would just be blurred (in the time domain)

Re:Pretty Obvious (2)

Renraku (518261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136312)

If you have good eyes, you can usually tell what someone is watching by the way the blue color flickers and is shaded if you're not moving too fast. So finding out exactly what they're watching shouldn't be a problem for a machine.

I love pi (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136203)

Pi is the greatest number in the world!

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Sunlight? (2)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136205)

now you might have to do without sunlight to be secure!

No problem for most slashdot readers, since they are most likely asking: "What is this sunlight you speak of?"

When they quit submitting the LED story..... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136207)


... I will quit submitting this. Enjoy and moderate as you see fit...

How to: Miniature Stallions

Some Caveats

You should read the 'How-to: Equines before this. And understand that the procedures described here would be unsafe with a full-size horse. This guide is in reference to miniature horses that mature out to under 33 inches at the withers. Even so, there is danger here for the careless.

The techniques described here are based on love, and it takes long time (up to a year or more) to develop a loving relationship with a horse. I don't use mare scent to arouse my horse. I use affection and foreplay. I have gentled my horses to the point that I could safely nuzzle my face into their nostrils or anywhere else. And this kind of intimacy is essential to the procedures described. The animals with which I got my experience were small ponies and minis that I raised and trained. And, with me at least, they were all very gentle. I did not just go out in the field and pickup a good-looking stud. If you try that with the techniques described here you will very likely be injured, even with a mini. The conclusion is, you need a horse of your own.

From my (admittedly limited experience with horses) I would assert that the sexual personalities of horses are hardly less varied than that of humans. And what I do know about loving these animals comes from a lot of actual experience, but with very few horses. Thus the results you get may vary (grin).

Definitions -- Details

Teats: A stallion's teats are at the bottom of the opening of the sheath.

Croup: The part of the horse behind the saddle. Equivalent to a human's lower back.

Point of hock: The rear of the hock, which is that joint where the muscular upper thigh/knee part of a horse's leg ends and the narrow shank or cannon begins.

Fetlock: The joint on the horse's hind leg that corresponds to the human ankle.

Cannon: The long thin straight part of a horses leg that runs from the hock to the fetlock.

First Chakra: An erogenous zone located between the thighs and above, but close to, the scrotum.

Provocative: I use this term to describe assertive actions meant to provoke the horse into some other assertive action, usually mounting. This has a lot to do with body language and context. You'll just have to figure it out yourself.

Provocative slap: If you have properly trained your horse he will be able to distinguish between a slap that is punishment and one that is a light pop, usually with the back of the fingers, meant as the equivalent of a sexy nip.

Notes on the Erogenous Zones

I have been known, when desperate, to excite a bored and temporarily unresponsive horse by chewing on and nipping at his front shoulders, breast, hindquarters and especially the fetlocks. And, no, I haven't been kicked in the mouth for these efforts.

Lengthy patterns of fondling and foreplay that approach and conclude on the 'first chakra' work for some horses that don't warm up any other way.

Scratch, nibble and whisper sweet nothings into those wonderfully expressive ears of his at every opportunity. It really helps.

Getting it on With Your Horse

We assume that your horse is well trained and very gentle. Well trained, by any standard, means (among other things) that the horse will allow you, and hopefully his vet, to handle every part of his body without objection. By gentle we mean that he won't bite, kick, or strike inappropriately.

We are going to cover four reliable ways of bringing your mini stallion to orgasm. This is generally difficult to do (without mare scent) unless your horse has something to climb onto, and ideally this should be you. Thus each procedure involves a different way for him to mount. Even so he may require a good deal of warming up. At least until he has had several orgasms with you. I cover two methods of warm up in sordid detail because the details may be important. These methods are masturbation and fellatio. Which method you use will generally depend on your horse's preference. Once you and your horse have learned to come together, you may find that he needs little or no warm-up to get him in the mood to mount. And getting him to mount you several times, even though he evidences no sexual urge before mounting, should put him in the right frame of mind in short order.

Read your horse to determine that he is in a reasonably good frame of mind. If he is not, wait for another time. Lead your horse to the place (room, pen, stall, etc.) that you have selected to be your regular playspace. Remove his halter and give him a couple of minutes to acclimate to the setting, piss, take a dump, whatever.

Nuzzle and give him affection in your usual way. Give him a little standard brushing on the neck, then back, then rump. It may help to knead his flesh with the free hand. The shoulder is a good place. But he may find that too provocative. Once you have reached his rump with the brush, begin using the brush in long sensuous strokes that start near the croup and end near the point of the hock. He may find it provocative and try to give you a love nip. Or he may find it simply enchanting and relax. He may or may not let down his member in either case.

Masturbation

Some horses simply don't care for it, others love it. If he is fully withdrawn you may get him to drop his member by using one finger to lightly trace the opening cleft at the tip of his prepuce. (Make sure your hands aren't rough any time you are being intimate.) In general, the less erect he is, the more delicate your actions need to be. Thus some horses prefer to be 'started' with the tips of the fingers rather than with the whole hand. Slower rhythmic squeezing is generally preferred when he is extended but not erect. Once he is moderately erect you may find that slowly pulling back on the shaft near the head, so as to stretch tight the skin of the head, is effective. The rapid back-and-forth motions so effective on humans and dogs are usually not appreciated by horses. Once fully erect you may try to bring him to completion as described in the 'How To: Equines'. This is harder to do without mare scent, especially if he can't climb up on something. Horses unable to orgasm on all fours by masturbation alone may sometimes be brought to completion on all fours by orally stimulating the first chakra while you masturbate them.

Blowing Him Up

For the stallion who has never made physical love with a person, fellatio may be the best introduction. But even that may take a number of attempts before he gets the idea. Sit or recline beside him and press your face gently into his flanks nuzzling through his fur. Exhale slowly against his flesh so that he can feel the warmth of your breath. Repeatedly run your hand down the back of a hind leg from croup to point of hock. Sometimes curling the fingers in so that the tips and nails are all that touch him will help arouse him. If he does not drop his member, use your finger as described in masturbation. Then return to stroking his legs. Nuzzle his flank and stroke his legs until he is well extended. If several attempts at this over several days gets no results then try sucking his teats before you begin this procedure.

Using the tips of your (warm) fingers gently lift the member to your lips and kiss and nibble on him. If this causes him to lose interest (it depends on the horse) then start over, and once he is again extended, grasp the shaft and take him strongly in your mouth and squeeze the shaft rhythmically. If he doesn't lose interest, kiss and nibble until he is at high excitement, and then take him strongly. The hand not around the shaft should go between his legs so that you can, with some pressure, stroke downward and massage the first chakra, or if he prefers, more gently massage his balls. This, reaching between his legs is possible only if he spreads them apart for you which they often will. Often he will find this activity exciting for only a limited time and will relax before too much is done. Once he relaxes press your face into his side and shoulder, breathing on him, talking to him, and rhythmically working your hands into his fur and flesh. (Note: I once had a Hackney stallion, too large to proceed as below, but who at this point, would often take me in his mouth and bring me to orgasm. He didn't suck, but worked me with his lips. He was probably one in a million. Don't try this at home.) Note that a small percentage of horses go absolutely wild when you take them by mouth, even the first time.

You may find it appropriate to repeat the procedure in the paragraph above several times. The objective here is to arouse him to the point of his wanting to mount you. If he has never mounted you, it may be necessary for you to get on your hands and knees and crawl under him. Push your head between his front legs and then rise up enough to take his weight on your back. If he is well trained there is only slight danger of a hoof smacked against your head, but you might consider some headgear during his training phase.

Take a break. Scratch him, kiss, share breath, etc. Sharing breath may be especially exciting to him if the smell of him is on your breath. Turn your bare back side to him. stand with your legs slightly apart and beg him to take you. A lot of stallions really like to be begged, and honest to god they can tell when you mean it. Bend over and back into him. Act provocative. Most likely he will mount without extending. But the act of mounting will put him in the mood. His hooves may be around your sides or he may, depending on your relative sizes, want to put them on either side of your neck. I have gotten a good whack to the side of the head by this on two occasions (very painful but no real damage), so be careful or wear head gear until you and he are adept at it. Once mounted he will likely press his teeth hard against your back, but if he is well trained he won't bite. What to do next depends on your mutual desires, his size, and your strength and gender.

Fellatio Kneeling

You will need to be in good shape to accomplish this. And be sure that the horse does not weigh too much for you. His hooves will be passing in front of your face and over your head while he mounts. So some caution and possibly some head gear might be a good idea until both of you are practiced at this. Kneel in front of your horse and declare your desire for him. Yea, I know they don't understand the words, but they sure do get the tone of voice. Nuzzle and kiss his neck; kiss, nuzzle, and chew on his ears (an important erogenous zone) and whisper sweet nothings to him; etc. Provoke him into mounting you. Put your head between his front legs. Take some of his weight on your shoulders. If he doesn't then mount over your head, then, maintaining this position with one arm (this is part hardest on the back), use your free hand to 'chew' with your fingers down the back of his front leg to the fetlock. If this doesn't get him to mount, take a break. Try this again or something else.

Once he has mounted you over your head, he will be off center with your head to one side or the other of his body. You are in a position to take him in your mouth even if he is not extended by squeezing him out of the sheath. Stallions generally find it exciting to be on top, and taking him thus will generally cause him to extend with obvious pleasure and excitement, often punctuated by a delightful series of nickers and squeals.

As he extends you will be able to adjust to a more upright kneeling position removing most of his weight from your back while he balances himself over your shoulder. Both of your hands will now be free and you will be able to grasp his shaft in one or both hands. His balls by this time should have retracted fully into the abdominal cavity. While grasping the shaft with one hand use the free hand to cup and massage the base of his member in the area of the now empty scrotum. As he becomes more excited the erectile tissue associated with the glans-penis will engorge. Depending on the particulars of your and his physiologies, you may or may not be able to complete the act. This entire procedure may also be accomplished by squatting and bending instead of kneeling. Or in a one legged kneel. Just use which ever is most comfortable for you.

Fellatio Reclining

Get a bale of hay or some other appropriate-sized object and place it next to a post. A bale of hay may need to be placed on its thin side to be high enough. Lie on the bale with your legs around the post. (A cross-piece of some sort on the post at a height comfortable to your legs is generally necessary.) This can also be done on a couch quite effectively. Your neck should be at the edge of the bale or seat of the couch, so your head hangs down. The first few times you try this your horse may need some convincing to mount you thus. During this training phase leave his halter on him so you can tug him up to you until your face is pressed provocatively against his breast. (Once he gets the hang of it you won't need to use the halter.) Nip appreciatively at his breast to get him to mount. Or slap his breast lightly but provocatively. As he begins his mount, swoop your hands together between his front legs to protect your face and to spread his legs so that as he comes down, his front legs straddle you. The first few times he may try standing on your stomach so be prepared. I must have done this a thousand times in my life and only once have gotten a hoof in my face for it, and no real damage. Be careful though, you might not be so lucky. Once he is on top, his muzzle will be pressed into or close to your crotch, and his crotch will be in your face. My current horse prefers to mount withdrawn and be sucked to erection. How do I know he prefers this? By the singular and outrageous stream of nickers, squeals and sighs that often accompany his pelvic spasms during the process.

If he is too large for you to complete (you can't open wide enough), then you may want to try masturbating him from this position. To do this, start by helping him press his crotch in your face so that you can suck his scrotum. (If he is ready for this the testicles will be withdrawn.) This drives most horses really wild, and reaching forward and taking the front of his glans-penis in your hand while he thrusts should complete him in short order.

If you are not fairly robust, and if he relaxes on top of you, you might not be able to expand your lungs to breathe. Likely you may be able to prod him to take the weight off and keep it off. If not, prod hard enough to make him dismount and give up. Not much else needs to be said here except that the force and volume of ejaculation and you reclining position may pump you a snoot-full. Pre-rinsing your sinuses with a saline solution spray will help prevent sinus infections that may result if, like me, you do a lot of this.

Anal Intercourse - Front to Back

Generally more than a little scuffling goes on when a horse mounts. If the horse's member is coated with lube, any loose material on the floor will stick to the member so its best to do either form of anal intercourse on a surface which is both clean and provides good traction. Again carpet is ideal.

After anal intercourse it is essential that you clean the horses glans penis thoroughly. Make sure your fingernails are trimmed very close. Wash the whole member with the hypo-allergenic glycerin soap. Once the lubricant is removed from the shaft you will be able to manipulate it. Now the important part, which is cleaning the glans which may have become fouled. Wash and dry your hands and put on a surgical rubber glove (to protect the horse). I use the hypoallergenic glycerin soap for this also, but I know a vet that recommends Phisohex for this and that is probably the best advice. Holding the shaft just behind the head wash the head and then with a *gloved* finger carefully clean around the urethral protrusion. Rinse by *gently* flooding clean warm (*not* hot) water into cleft between the protrusion and the glans.

To do this safely requires the right horse-to-person size relationship. If he is too long and your legs are too short you may be in trouble. I often have to stand on my toes while he goes at it to keep him from going too deep. Don't try either form of anal intercourse described here unless your horse really cares about you, or at least knows enough to be careful when you express pain or discomfort. Because if he doesn't he may very well hurt you. As a warm-up, try standing, facing away from him and masturbating. You might do well to do this once a day for several days or weeks before proceeding down the slippery slope outlined below.

KY just doesn't cut it. I'm not into pain, and I find this painful unless done with J-Lube. It's a veterinarian's hand lubricant. You'll need lots, and thick as syrup. I like to mix up and have ready a half-cup or so at a time. I like to use empty "French's Mustard" squeeze bottles for this. Get it nice and warm and slather yourself up good, and using the handy tip on the bottle squirt some in. You can float the unused portion in a bucket of hot water to keep it warm. Take time to do a few stretching exercises--the traditional cucumber works well for this. It makes entry more fun. Present yourself to your horse. Bend over, and if you have to, beg for it. Again, many stallions really like being begged and some won't turn on to you until you do. Backing into him also helps. It may take a while to get him erect and excited enough to mount you. It depends a lot on the horse and his moods. You will soon learn to judge when he is close to being ready. At that time take a good glob of lube in one hand, and when he does mount, grasp the tip of his member and slide your hand down the shaft. Make sure you coat the tip thickly. The gooey-stringy-slippery lube will coat the member, helping to keep it clean and reducing the likelihood that your horse will get an infection from you. (You did remember to dump, didn't you?) Straighten up substantially, grasp his shaft very firmly and press him into yourself. (If you just let him jab it in with unmoderated thrusts, lube or no lube, it hurts.) If you don't straighten up he's likely to rupture you. The first time my current horse entered me he gave a gasp of pleasure and surprise that I remember as one of the high-points of my life. You may need to reach behind and grasp and squeeze his shaft to bring him to completion. If you want him to work you over repeatedly then don't grab him. Once he has learned that he can complete with you he will likely mount and work you repeatedly until he does.

Some notes:

1. Once you get good and sweaty it may excite him to put his nose in your armpit from behind.

2. While he is standing behind you and thinking about mounting you he will nuzzle, nudge, and nip you from heels to buns. You should tolerate and even encourage this just short of leaving bruises. My horse often gets into a nipping frenzy just before mounting. I let him nip at the skin on my elbows at this time because it takes the abuse substantially better than anywhere else.

3. You must have hold of one of his front legs as you straighten up or he may fall over on his back and be reluctant mount you again. His glans-penis will engorge after he enters you and you will be locked together until he is done. If you let him fall off during this phase you will both experience such *excruciating* pain when the glans pops that it may be years before either of you are willing to try again. So do hold on to that sweet little foot of his. Once he is spent or done, bend forward and let go of the leg. He may want to hang there for a minute or two before he dismounts.

Anal Intercourse -- Face-to-Face

See the section on front to back for relevant preliminaries. It has never happened to me but there is a good chance of getting a hoof in the face with this, so wear head gear at least until the two of you have some facility with this. Also you will need to wear steel-toed boots. And you will need a bale of hay wrapped in a blanket, or something similar in size and shape to that. A raw bale just won't do. The hay will stick to him and then be shoved into you. You *won't* like it, trust me. Put the bale up against something so that it can't be shoved around. I have had some difficulty in convincing horses to try mounting me face to face the first couple of times. You may need to tease him extensively to get your horse to try it.

I generally induce him to mount front-to-back several times without intromission and then lube him up good when he is excited and near ready to mount again. Sit on the bale facing your horse. Provocatively slap at his chest with the back of your hand. As he begins to mount, grab his front legs and help him position them safely. Then free one hand and use it to help him find his way home. You MUST catch the inside of his thighs with your knees because he is very likely about to screw the daylights out of you. If just one of those slams isn't caught by your knees you might get a ruptured colon. Again, once spent, he may want to lie limp on you in indubitable horsy bliss for a minute or two before he dismounts, and by all means if you can breathe with his weight on you, let him do so.

Tips on Keeping a Mini

Read up on it. Talk to people who are keeping horses. Remember, my experience is limited.

I have had best results raising horses from youth. If you have the time to give a foal the companionship it *must* have, then raising an early weaned foal separated from other horses is a good approach. I have had good results by getting a mare and new-born colt foal and raising the foal with the mare until the colt began to exhibit some sexual impulse toward his dam. Even so, spending a good deal of time with the foal every day from word go is essential. And finally I have had good results with a yearling colt raised alone but with a lot of time spent with it every day. I have not gotten good results with mature horses. However, if you can trade in horses, if you can buy, try, and trade-in, then you might find a compatible animal.

I recommend that you develop your relationship with your horse alone from other horses. Once your desired relationship is established then you may reintroduce him to other horses. You are going to be teaching him to be very gentle. If he spends more time with a bunch of rowdy horses than with you, it will be difficult for him to learn. You must, however, be able to spend a good deal of time interacting with your horse virtually every day, two to three hours (at least) while he's in the training period. And he must have an interesting environment. Otherwise he will be bored, unhappy and uncooperative. A non-equine companion animal may or may not be helpful depending on the particulars of horse and companion.

I have found three things to be crucial in developing a relationship between myself and a horse. These are feeding, grooming, and working.

You should be the person that feeds your horse. He should be fed at the same times *every* day. Horses can get so upset by late feeding that they get stress-induced colic. But colic is not the concern here. Horses are not like dogs. If you feed your dog late, he is all the more glad that you have finally seen fit to feed him. If you feed your horse late, he is going to be highly pissed that you have not given him his due. A horse's sense of digestive timing is accurate to about +-15 minutes. You should discipline yourself to feed him at exactly the same times every day. In any case do not vary your feeding time by more 15 minutes except on rare occasions, and never by more than an hour for health reasons. Some people practice a consistently less exact feeding schedule and believe it an advantage in some circumstances. This however contradicts all the professional sources to which I have and have had access.

Spend time grooming your horse at least five days a week. This is the cement that will bond you together.

Develop a working relationship with your horse. Pick some 'normal' activity appropriate to the size and disposition of your animal and train him and yourself to engage in that activity in a cooperative manner. It should be something that you can do four to five times a week. You may need to continue this for some years. Stallions often don't settle down until they are between five and seven years of age. Jogging with your mini is an excellent activity that requires little previous skill on your part. Just teaching him to go, stop, stand, and turn will be adequate. What counts is the quality of interaction during training and engagement in the activity.

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Correct Order Of Precedence? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136234)

I most especially enjoy the ranking that the author gives to people that attempt to gain unauthorized access to my data:

in (apparently) descending order towards pond-scum:

- Law Enforcement
- Spooks (intelligence agency technicians? I guess)
- Criminals
- Market researchers (!!)

WooHOOhooo!

Lameness filters don't work with random data! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136237)

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simple answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136239)

paper your walls with tinfoil. reflective materials are a bitch if they're slightly crumpled.

Next, Randomly Scanning monitors (2, Insightful)

cyber_rigger (527103) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136240)

I can see it now. Random scan order on your monitor. CRTs will (probably), eventually be a thing of the past and replaced with somthing that doesn't have a scan timing to be deciphered.

Don't look @ my monitor (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136243)

im looking at goatse.cx and pise.cx!

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Sunlight? (2, Redundant)

Knunov (158076) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136244)

"Forget taping up LEDs or living in a metal box - now you might have to do without sunlight to be secure!"

What's this 'sunlight' I keep hearing about?

Knunov

Re:Sunlight? (1)

danielrose (460523) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136337)

Sounds like you ripped of this comment [slashdot.org] . Wouldn't you agree?

Mod this guy down as redundant :)

cat pi16384.txt (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136250)

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Duh... (1)

CTalkobt (81900) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136253)

From reading the pdf linked - it sounds like with a sufficiently high sammpling rate ( their words more or less ) it's possible to re-render the text. This should hold true to the way scan-guns work on most monitors.

What's new here? This is almost equivlant to putting a Video Camera infront of a monitor and then hooking the output up to your TV.

16384 digits of pi 4u :) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136258)

:)
3.

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Re:Trolling with pi! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136276)

Trolling? No.

It's crapflooding. Trolling requires skill, imagination and maturity.

Re:Trolling with pi! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136313)

YHBT

Re:Trolling with pi! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136333)

Y HBT

Computers And Networks Leak Like Sieve (5, Insightful)

pryan (169593) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136267)

I don't know why everyone is so shocked that people can eavesdrop, there is almost zero emmission security in almost anything deployed almost anywhere. Then again, currently, there's no practical need for such secured equipment in a normal civilian environment.

On of the guys I used to work with would talk about the truck that would park outside their NOC to listen to their ethernet via radio receivers on the truck. One can guess where the truck came from, but the scary part is that this was more than a decade ago. They were doing things that might possibly be of interest to spooks, or perhaps a well-funded competitor.

It's fun to engage in a fantasy world where government spooks are around every corner, but in reality there's no justification for spending large amounts of money or time to protect yourself from imagined threats like that. I am more worried about somebody breaking into my house to steal my stuff or script kiddies from Germany installing an IRC server on my boxes than the government spying on me.

Most of us do not have anything that would justify non-criminals to bother with us. Those of us that do usually have the budgets to do something about it. And the criminals are not terribly sophisticated, so common sense and a decent system administrator are usually enough to meet the standard threats. Most criminals are opportunists, if you present a challenge, they'll move on to the guy who has his root password set to "password".

The people who have highly sensitive stuff know that there's no real security in most hardware and software and work to build environments to protect their stuff. They probably do not buy their hardware from Dell.

Those of us who really only need to protect our banking and personal information as well as our bandwidth don't need to worry about monitor emission security just yet. For banking information, it's much easier to get that information in much more mundane ways than eavesdropping on your monitor. You should worry about what your local convienence store does with their copy of your credit card receipt.

A really good point (3, Insightful)

JMZero (449047) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136315)

If someone wanted to steal information from our files, they could do so through the internet.

Or they could tell the receptionist they're here to see Bob, and then go look at the paper files. I think it would be easier to do the latter.

But very few would attempt the second kind of attack, because it's hard to say "Oh yeah, I was just checking out security. Just playing." when someone discovers you digging through files on someone else's property.

In the same way, stealing information via CRT flicker requires too much of a physical commitment for it to gain much popularity I think. At least in most cases - it might be different if your office is accross from a competitor's. Even then, seems like it would be easier just to zoom in and watch them type their password.

Interesting article anywho.

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This is old! (1)

scorcherer (325559) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136268)

Studying in cam.ac.uk, I went to see a talk by Duncan Campbell on modern espionage in October 2000. In the end he asked Markus Kuhn from the audience to explain his latest work, CRT eavesdropping. So I guess 'news' is a relative concept :-)

Flat Screens (2)

Technician (215283) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136269)

LCD's do not use a scanning electron beam, so the screen display is not made up by the high bandwidth light output. LCD's on the desk top and on laptops are a step in the right direction. The other solution is never use a computer in a dark room. Kick on a few compact flourescent lights. Their high frequency operation and high output goes a long way to adding lots of noise (opticaly) to the environment. Tempest then becomes difficult the same way it is to eavesdrop on the couple whispering to each other a few rows up at a concert.

monitor tans (2)

RestiffBard (110729) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136285)

um don't most of us shun sunlight now anyway? heck my drapes never open. I think the dust has glued them shut.

Re:monitor tans (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136295)

You hit the cap? What to do now!? KARMA SUICIDE! I've been doing it with my other accounts. Each time I hit 50 I APESHIT until I'm down to 40 or so.

Nikos Maziotis Quotes (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136286)

"I will reverse that. Popular sovereignty, sir judges, is when molotov cocktails and stones are thrown at the police, when state cars, banks, shopping centers and luxury stores are burnt down.... This is how the people react. History itself has proven that this is the way people react. This is popular sovereignty. When Maziotis goes and places a bomb in the ministry of Industry and Development, in solidarity with the struggle of the people in Strymonikos. This is the real popular sovereignty and not what the Constitution says..."

"I will contradict my brother who said before, that he didn't want the guns in order to make war. They were for war. Maybe they were just kept there. But guns are for war, you don't just have them to keep them at home. I might have kept them as they were, but they are to make war and I make war... The bomb in the ministry was an act of war."

"There are three kinds of political violence. Terrorism of the state, which is the most usual and most organised, as the state possesses the monopoly of violence; the "revolutionary terrorism" of organisations with Marxist-Leninist ideology, that through their hierarchical structure reproduce the structures of the state and are a state in miniature; and there is the liberating violence."

"Generally, wherever there are disturbances, there are conflicts we[anarchists] want to be in. To subvert things. For us, this is not a crime. In a real sense, these disturbances are the 'popular sovereignty' that professional politicians keep talking about. That's where freedom is expressed.."

"If theoretically terrorism is exercising violence against citizens and unarmed population, that goes exclusively for the state. Only the state attacks civilians. That's what the repression mechanisms are for: the riot police, special police units, the army, special forces...mechanisms that also rob the people. They finance armed professionals, policemen. Aren't they trained to shoot real targets? Aren't the riot police armed with chemical gas? To use them where? On citizens, in demonstrations and in manifestations. So, only the state exercises violence against citizens."

paranoia (1)

chargi (187853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136297)

It never ceases to amaze me how we paranoids are constantly proven right yet so many refuse to believe that they are out to get us.

I win (2)

Perianwyr Stormcrow (157913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136304)

I already covered my windows with lead a while back to keep the Illuminati mind rays out!

What follows are the first digits of the number e (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136320)

What follows are the first 2 million digits of the number e. Actually there
are slightly more than 2M digits here. These digits were computed by Robert
Nemiroff (George Mason University and NASA Goddard Space Flight Center) and
checked by Jerry Bonnell (University Space Research Association and NASA
Goddard Space Flight Center). There were computed during spare time on a VAX
alpha class machine over the course of a weekend. We do NOT guarantee the
accuracy of these digits. Although these digits have been checked once we
encourage others to check them as well. We believe these are the most digits
ever computed for the number e on or before 1 May 1994. We have computed at
least 5 million digits of the number e and several digits of the the square
roots of integers as well. These are available on this mosaic server: (URL:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/rjn.ht ml). We welcome comments.

- Robert Nemiroff and Jerry Bonnell

e =

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Would we be breaking T&Cs? (1)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136322)

Don't think my cable co is gonna be happy when they find out that somebody else is watching all those adverts that I've only paid enough for myself to watch...

Van Eck radiaton attack much worse (1)

diablovision (83618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136345)

This attack looks pretty innocuous when you look at how it's possible to reconstruct the video signal via the EM signal your CRT generates.

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_ gc i550525,00.html

Forget closing the windows. Better build a grounded copper mesh encases your house.

Software protection against that ? (2)

tempmpi (233132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136347)

The monitor gets its sync information over the vga cable but the persons that tries to read the screen using this technology must guess the sync information.
A little software that modulates the h and v sync rate every frame should make it much harder to get a readable image. But I'm not sure if you could still get a stable image on the screen if your change your sync rates every frame. That software protection could be effective because it is very likely that they need to record more than one screen refresh to get a image that has a good enough to read it.
Also high resolutions and high vsync rates in general should make it harder to use that technology. Using non-standard resolutions and sync rates also make the sync information guessing harder.

Question to ./ community (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3136349)

Are we all feeling so collectively insignificant now that we need to invent these paranoid fantasies to prop up what's left of our dignity?

How about a digital LCD? (1)

Tom7 (102298) | more than 12 years ago | (#3136355)

I doubt anyone here actually knows about this, but we can all speculate together...

How safe is a LCD monitor with a digital (DVI) connection? The video card is probably not putting out RF emissions (because it's sending a digital signal), and there's no scanning CRT to track. What would be the easiest route to eavesdropping on that?
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