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iMac LCD Impostors

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the faking-interesting-design dept.

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cannonball_D writes "CNet has an article about the first (?) inevitable PC imitation LCD iMac from Gateway. The design is a step in the right direction, but I still think it has all the tell-tale signs of a cheap knock-off. " It really looks like it lacks the elegance of the apple design, but I'm all for the LCD based terminal to be available on x86.

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URGENT: MASSIVE OPENSSH SECURITY FLAW FOUND. (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138036)

URGENT: MASSIVE OPENSSH SECURITY FLAW FOUND.

Since Sla$hdot refuses to admit Linux may have security problems, I am posting this to the Linux hippie community to keep you informed and aware. This is a pubic service announcement of RoboTroll trolling industries. What follows is a Redhat security advisory.

Security Advisory - RHSA-2002:043-10

Summary:
Updated openssh packages available

Updated openssh packages are now available for Red Hat Linux 7, 7.1, and7.2 which close a remotely-exploitable vulnerability in sshd.

Description:
Joost Pol has discovered an off-by-one error in all versions of the OpenSSHdaemon (sshd) prior to version 3.1.

This issue could allow an authenticated user to cause sshd to corrupt itsheap, potentially allowing arbitrary code to be executed on the remoteserver. Alternatively, a malicious SSH server could be crafted to attack avulnerable OpenSSH client.

Resolution : We recommend you remove Linux and install Windows on your computer. Please refer to MS Knowledgebase article Q32451.

Users are advised to upgrade to these errata packages containing OpenSSH3.1, which is not vulnerable to this issue.

The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures project (cve.mitre.org) hasassigned the name CAN-2002-0083 to this issue.

References:
http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/ cvename.cgi?name=CAN- 2002-0083http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-u nix-dev&m=101550282514683

Taking Action

You may address the issues outlined in this advisory in two ways:
- select your server name by clicking on its name from the list available at the following location, and then schedule an errata update for it: https://rhn.redhat.com/network/systemlist/system_l ist.pxt
- run the Update Agent on each affected server.
- We recommend you remove Linux and install Windows on your computer.

Re:URGENT: MASSIVE OPENSSH SECURITY FLAW FOUND. (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138122)

RoboTroll trolling industries ?

hehehe

Harmony through industry: Our Trolls are working around the clock to supply the world's trolling needs. With plans to outsource to Japan(www.slashdot.jp) and Latin America(www.barrapunto.com) RoboTroll trolling industries has nothing but a bright future to look towards.

AMISH VIRUS!!! (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138047)

You have just received the Amish Virus!
Since we do not have electricity or computers,
you are on the HONOR SYSTEM!
Please delete ALL of your files....




Thank Thee.

I got those happy feet (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138048)

Give them a low down beat
and they start dancin

Did anyone else think it was funny that Kermit would tap-dance, but you never saw his feet, cu he waqs a puppet?

That design's been around for a while... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138049)

...long before the new iMac came around.

Not to mention that it looks nothing like the new iMac - the whole system is contained in the same case as the display, which the iMac specifically avoided.

It does look like an iMac (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138083)

Not to mention that it looks nothing like the new iMac - the whole system is contained in the same case as the display, which the iMac specifically avoided.

In other words, it looks a bit like an old iMac, except with an LCD panel. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

One problem: where is the *D-ROM drive?

Re:It does look like an iMac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138115)

in the new iMac? if you bothered to spend 10 seconds looking, its in the very front of the iMac's base.

Re:It does look like an iMac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138128)

Um, sorry, but putting all the computer parts in one box instead of two does not an iMac ripoff make.

Transparent plastic was an iMac innovation. Perhaps aspects of the friendly-looking design. And the lamp-like design of the new iMac is an Apple innovation. But saying any all-in-one design is a Mac ripoff is a bit stupid.

The disk drive is on the side. Here's a picture [gateway.com] of the old model, which has been around for ages, and looks just like the "new iMac ripoff" design...

It's an I-cow (5, Funny)

techmuse (160085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138052)

It has a remarkable resemblance to a cow. Black and white curvy patches over a white body. It fits in with Gateway's image, but lacks any of the beauty of the imac.

Re:It's an I-cow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138202)

Gateway has a long tradition of making horribly ugly cases.

I wonder what marketing executive up there saw a computer case and thought "ooooohh...cows".

Re:It's an I-cow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138203)

You call a desk lamp-base with a flat-panel-on-a-stick beauty???

Re:It's an I-cow (0, Offtopic)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138239)

I'm quite busy fondling a dog's genitals at the moment, so I can only type with one hand, but I must say that this C/Net article is the biggest pile of dung presented as journalism that I've come across since I last accidentaly looked at Tom's Hardon Guide. F U C K !

Re:It's an I-cow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138246)

MOO!

iPi (-1, Troll)

3.141592653589793 (565525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138053)

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9562009939 34 [icrap.com]

Piip! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138054)

Im just a little mouse.

What's the big deal? (3, Informative)

TrebleJunkie (208060) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138056)

Didn't Monorail (or something like that) do this first, about 4-5 years ago, anyhoo?

Not that their machine was any good, and wasn't very successful commercially, but it *was* an LCD-screen PC with all the guttiwuts behind the LCD.

Re:What's the big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138157)

hateway already made one like this years ago - these pieces of crap are sitting on the desks of a few poor saps at my office. While imacs are for dirty hippie fags, the new one is at least well designed and looks good. That gateway is ugly as hell, and of course it is quite a chore to access it for upgrades and repair.

Maybe Jobs is onto something...... (2, Funny)

idiotnot (302133) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138057)

With his emphasis on HID. I've seen the iMac in person, and I instantly wanted one. The Gateway, on the other hand, is ugly.

iMac: Fits nicely into the corner of your contemporary flat.

Profile: Fits nicely into the corner of your cell in the cube farm.

a punch? (1)

buzban (227721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138058)

i dunno if that qualifies as a punch...the sex factor is not nearly as high, and they're not really competing on price. i normally like the thin clients that dell and gateway put out (even though, as my wife points out, the expandability is less)...but this is a poor knockoff of the iMac, IMO. =)

of course, i won't be buying either...so WTF...

Re:a punch? (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138132)

I suggest you stop having sex with computers - With an initial investment of 900-1200$, computers are a poor choice when put next to a higher end sex doll. Sex dolls also have fewer corners and metal pieces to get hurt on.

Re:a punch? (2)

tb3 (313150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138167)

the sex factor is not nearly as high

What sex factor?
This thing has as much sex appeal as pantyhose. And anyone turned on by pantyhose is a pervert.

Re:a punch? (1)

buzban (227721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138243)

sorry...sex factor is not nearly as high with the Gateway machine as with the iMac. that's what i meant.

hypocracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138062)

"That new iMac, it has no expansion slots, no room for my ghetto ISA cards, who cares about it!"
"That new Gateway, while an obvious ripoff, is a step in the right direction"

The article text... (-1, Redundant)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138063)

Before you slashdot people beat the crap out of it...

On topic comment: Hasn't gateway done something like this before? Of am I confused with another OEM outlet?

Article text follows:

Gateway throws a Profile punch at iMac
By Joe Wilcox
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
March 8, 2002, 12:45 PM PT

Apple Computer has whipped up a frenzy with its new flat-panel iMac, and Gateway is getting in on the action.

Gateway, which is trying to regain a stable footing in the marketplace, plans to release its fourth-generation Profile PC this summer, said sources familiar with the product. The all-in-one computer built around an LCD (liquid crystal display) monitor would compete against Apple's popular, new iMac.

The Poway, Calif.-based PC maker got into the all-in-one business with its original Profile computer in June 1999 on the coattails of the first iMac. Gateway, however, did beat Apple to the punch with the first all-in-one computer to feature a flat panel. While Gateway says its current flat panel, Profile 3, is profitable, the Profile line for the most part has experienced only limited success.

The new iMac, which Apple announced in early January, suspends a 15-inch flat-panel monitor from a pivoting arm attached to a half-dome base. IBM also competes in this market with the NetVista, but Big Blue's focus is business. Apple and Gateway both court consumers.

Profile 4 will be a significant upgrade to Profile 3, sources said. The new model will finally bring Pentium 4 processors to Profile and add some features not found on iMac or NetVista. All three companies currently offer computers built around a 15-inch flat-panel display, but Gateway plans to add a second model using a 17-inch monitor, sources said.

Profile 4 also will have USB (universal serial bus) 2.0--the successor to USB 1.1--capitalizing on Gateway's early advantage of offering high-speed connectivity, according to sources. Gateway was the first major PC maker to offer USB 2.0, which ratchets up throughput to 480mbps from 12mbps. But other manufacturers are expected to add the connectivity standard when Intel makes supporting chipsets available later this year.

Gateway also plans to streamline the design, making the Profile 4 look more like a stand-alone flat-panel monitor than the current model does. Gateway's older design places the processor, CD-RW (CD-rewritable) drive and other components directly behind the monitor, giving the Profile 3 a bulky profile when viewed sideways. NetVista takes a similar approach, while the iMac's computer-in-the-half-dome approach separates the computer's guts from the display, which appears to be suspended in the air when supported by the swing arm.

The Profile 4 will take a more compact approach, with the main computer components jutting out slightly from the display, greatly reducing Profile's profile.

Tough times, LCD shortage
Gateway has been struggling since around August 2001. In January, the company announced that it would be cutting more than 15 percent of its remaining work force and closing 19 under-performing stores. It also confirmed a drop in fourth-quarter sales and said price cuts were on the way. This followed a restructuring at the company and earlier price cuts made in an effort to improve market share.

The company will be launching the new model just as PC makers reel from the effects of an LCD panel shortage. Delivery lead times on Profile 3 are currently four weeks. Apple has been hit even harder, with distributor Ingram Micro sitting on about 10 weeks of outstanding dealer orders.

Gateway spokesman Brad Williams declined to comment on any possible successor to the Profile 3, but gladly discussed recent sales increases.

"Profile 3 sales are up nearly twofold since Jan. 7, when the iMac was introduced, and that was helped along by the role that the Profile 3 played at the Olympics," he said. "Those were retrofitted with touch screens for the Olympics. Certainly, we got some boost from the Olympics, but the iMac we think has really created additional demand for us."

Gateway provided 5,700 PCs to the recent Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, with Profile 3 making a strong showing. The Profile PC also is making other high-profile appearances. One model is used in the courtroom where the Microsoft trial goes on its next phase of testimony on March 18.

The competitive fray
Certainly iMac has shined anew the spotlight on PCs incorporating flat-panel monitors into the design, said ARS analyst Toni Duboise. "The more attention that's brought to that kind of system, the better off everybody is." Her reasoning: After years of failures, such as the demise of Dell Computer's WebPC or Compaq Computer's Presario 3500, stylish, more full-featured PCs are beginning to draw in more consumers.

"That higher-end system comes at a premium, and that's going to help Gateway's bottom line," Duboise said. But the ARS analyst questioned whether iMac really had helped Profile sales all that much.

"I'm surprised they said their sales have gone up twofold since the new iMac's release," she said. "I honestly don't know what that means. What I've seen on this end is that their Profile lineup has actually thinned, and by some appearances it hasn't done all that well. In fact, I would say that up until now the Profile hasn't won much acceptance at all."

Technology Business Research analyst Tim Deal doesn't doubt Profile sales are up, but he agrees with Duboise that iMac isn't likely the reason. "I believe any increases in Profile sales would be due to declining prices," he said. "Profile prices have pushed lower and lower and are getting to a more mainstream level."

The Profile 3 was originally priced at $1,999; the Profile 3CX is now listed at $1,699 on Gateway's Web site.

Deal believes that if Gateway can build on its experience with the first three generations of Profile and turn out a compelling design, the all-in-one PC might gain some traction against the iMac. Still, he doesn't see Profile as ever being a big seller for Gateway.

"The Profile is a niche market for Gateway, and it is a profitable one," he said. "Other vendors don't appear to be supporting their all-in-one sales, and some gave up altogether and exited the market. Gateway has supported the Profile through and through and seems content with the fact it's a niche-market opportunity. The company's strategy is to use the Profile as a showpiece and hopefully when executives and front desks use it, other Gateway PCs can be incorporated into the infrastructure."

Duboise said Profile's success, particularly when pitted against the iMac, will depend much on design, and there Gateway faces a tough challenge taking on Apple's computer.

"With this kind of machine, design is key," she said. "People that are looking for an all-in-one machine are usually expecting to pay a premium. If you put an iMac against a Profile, Gateway is going to have to step up to the design. To penetrate this market at all, they're going to have to wow their customers with a new design."

Still, Gateway plans to offer a 17-inch model, which could be a big customer draw, despite iMac's innovative design.

"Large-screen, flat-panel is a big feature market driver," Duboise said. "I think that would be an advantage in Gateway's favor--if they have a 17-inch model that's comparably priced against a 15-inch iMac. That might weigh the scale a little bit in their favor against iMac's design."

Re:The article text... (2)

quantaman (517394) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138072)

As much respect as I have for the /. effect I think that CNET might jusst be able to take it;)

Re:The article text... (0, Offtopic)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138108)

I don't know, I've seen 'em crap out before. Better safe than sorry...

FUCK YOU TERRORIST ASS PIG (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138151)

go eat some chode you asslicking jew

Re:FUCK YOU TERRORIST ASS PIG (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138194)

Why don't you just set your sneakers on fire and blow the hell up willya?

This isn't anything new (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138092)

"On topic comment: Hasn't gateway done something like this before? Of am I confused with another OEM outlet?"

Ok as an employee of the cow the Profile series has been around for at least three years and has had the same design as the Profile 3 that is pictured now unless Gateway is going to redesign the system so that it isn't an all in one unit I don't see how this can be considered news or competition with the iMac.

Huh? Doubtful you could /. News.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138099)

This isn't Timmy's dorm computer you're hitting.

Fly By Night (-1)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138064)

Rush - Fly By Night

Why try? I know why
This feeling inside me says it's time I was gone
Clear head, new life ahead
I want to be king now, not just one more pawn

Fly by night away from here
Change my life again
Fly by night, goodbye my dear
My ship isn't coming and I just can't pretend

Moonrise, thoughtful eyes
Staring back at me from the window beside
No fright or hindsight
Leaving behind that empty feeling inside

Start a new chapter, I find what I'm after
Is changing every day.
The change of a season's enough of a reason
To want to get away

Quiet and pensive, my thoughts apprehensive
The hours drift away
Leaving my homeland, playing a lone hand
My life begins today

Re:Fly By Night (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138142)

W00t!

Howdy howdy howdy

Antidepressants kicked in this morning!

It is scary when feeling normal is the greatest thing ever.

Re:Fly By Night (-1)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138181)

So the drugs actually work? I'm kind of scared to take them; who knows what other chemicals they tamper with.

You went from wanting to jump in front of a bus to loving everyone.. quite a change. Congrats (I think?). What will it do to your crapflooding and/or trolling, though?

Yeah (3, Insightful)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138065)

I think when they talk about competing with the new Imac, they meant that it is aimed at a similar section of the market, not that it's competing through aesthetic design.

Not as sexy. (5, Funny)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138066)

The new G4 iMac looks like a supermodel, all curvy and slim and sleek and chic.

The Gateway looks like a 60-year-old Janitor.

I know who I'd rather "plug in".

Re:Not as sexy. (3, Informative)

b_pretender (105284) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138121)

http://www.gateway.com/work/prod/sb_profileb3se-d_ ProdDetail.shtml [gateway.com] for a better product description than the article links.

Re:Not as sexy. (3, Informative)

b_pretender (105284) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138146)

I hate to reply to my own comment, but this thing is *ugly*! Not to mention that the 360 degree rotation shows that it has about 5 degrees of available tilt for the LCD panel.

I have to mention how harddrive platters and CD/DVD drives or more efficient and less noisy when mounted horizontally as opposed to slanted as they are in this monstrosity.

The only thing that might save this monster was if it came with a wireless keyboard and mouse (which is doesn't).

I forgot to mention that this runs WindowsXP rather than OS X (that's another thing the Gateway machine has going against it.

Re:Not as sexy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138126)

Now, I've never been great at deciphering sarcasm, but I'm going to say: the janitor.

Was I right?

Re:Not as sexy. (4, Interesting)

ElOttoGrande (183478) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138155)

>The Gateway looks like a 60-year-old Janitor.

I agree, and where's the cost savings that PC advocates go on about so much. This thing is retailing for about as much as the most expensive iMac.
Gateway ($1699) best iMac $1,799
and it has 128M less ram, 20G smaller HD, no Superdrive, no NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/32MB DDR graphics...

I'm just another PC user (ibook drooler;) but in comparison the new iMac looks like a much better deal that this.

Knock-off?? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138069)

This thing looks nothing like the iMac. Its design goals aren't even the same. Computers and monitors have been melded together for years now, why does the introduction of an LCD make it like the iMac?

It's not a rip-off (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138071)

These "PC glued to the back of the TFT" machines have been available from various vendors long before the new iMac was presented and are therefore not rip-offs.

Apple was still first (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138073)

The 20th Anniversy mac came out in 96 and was an all in one lcd computer. So gateway was not first.

Thats the profile 3, not the profile 4. (4, Informative)

Milkyman (246513) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138074)

THe picture they show is of the profile 3, not the new profile 4.

Re:Thats the profile 3, not the profile 4. (1)

theancient2 (527101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138217)

Also note that the Profile 3 (a current product) was out before the iLamp. In other words, Gateway isn't the one copying others on this one. In fact, the idea of an all-in-one computer with an LCD display is hardly new. Whoever submitted this article didn't do their homework.

A clone? (1)

kiltedtaco (213773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138077)

I don't see any resemblance. Am I looking at the right picture? Or is gateway cloneing the idea of a LCD and a computer in one box? That's been around since the iMac and cheap LCD's have existed. Overall, if anything, this is a CRT iMac clone.

Shitspot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138078)

News for turds. Stuff that splatters.

The picture is NOT gateways new model (1)

plone (140417) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138079)

If anyone bothered to read the article (ie CmdrTaco), you would realise that the picture refers to the Profile 3, Gateways current LCD based computer. The model that Gateway is basing on the new Imac is the Profile 4, which the article does not show.

Why does style have to be feminie? (0, Flamebait)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138084)

The materials and the look of the iMac are far too feminine. The iMac is the VW of comuters and most guys I think would be embarrassed driving a VW (at least any straight guy).

Why not use more "maculine" materials? There is a lot of cool design work you could do with red and blue anodized metals, surgical steel, carbon fiber or other industrial-type materials. Yes, Apple does use something respectable in the Tbook, but the rest of the line is for girls, period.

Re:Why does style have to be feminie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138101)

You're too hung up on this.

Really.

Why does style have to be masculine? (1)

mibat (209183) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138149)

This is completely ridiculous. I'm not against more industrial-style designs in computers (something besides the beige box, please) but how is this masculine vs. feminine? So the iMac doesn't have to be covered in pink fluffy bunnies to be considered "too girly?" Please. It's a computer. It's asexual. (I've never understood people addressing their company's tech. project as "sexy" unless it's porn.)

I guess this is coming from a woman who doesn't need any more testosterone in her life, as she gets more than her daily dose from fellow CS students alone. (but does not feel insecure in the face of either the iMac or this theoretical industrial-influenced computer design.) By the way, everyone I know who owns a VW is a guy.

Re:Why does style have to be masculine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138215)

VW, feminine?

The VW bus? Buncha guys hit the road for a weekend, camp out.

The original Bug? Hell, great little car. Cheap and solid. I've seen more tricked out Bugs in my life...:-)

Re:Why does style have to be feminie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138153)

So simply because it's bright white, it's feminine? So I suppose lab coats are feminine too then?

Re:Why does style have to be feminie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138175)

You've got to be kidding me. New Volkswagons are pure, muted sex on wheels. There's a lot to be said for driving something truly refined and classy instead of a rolling, rattling circus, as is the case with so many others.

Sadly, your laughable homophobia prevents you from experiencing the same joy. You know what they say about men who see femininity where there is none...

Re:Why does style have to be feminie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138214)

You've got to be kidding me. New Volkswagons are pure, muted sex on wheels.

Not outside the Castro it isn't. The above poster is correct. Do you still have the flowers in the vase of your Bug?

Point - Counterpoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138210)

If I have to have my hands on something all day long, I'd much rather have them be on something feminine than masculine, as I think any straight guy would.

Re:Point - Counterpoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138227)

So do you go to work wearing a dress?

Oh! Someone's hit a nerve! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138247)

Gee, look at how defensive everyone gets when someone mentions that iMacs or VWs may be feminine? I remember this type of reaction...once I was talking with his guy who was so gung ho on his new VW Bug. I mentioned in passing, "dude, isn't that kind of a chick car??"...and I watched his face and heart sink as he realized in a split second that until I shook him out of it, his entire sense of style had been shaped by feminine values.

Apple seeps (1)

bluecalix (128634) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138086)

I like to see Apple's beautiful designs and ideas seep into the general PC marketplace, but once again, the copy is only skin deep. Unless I'm looking at the picture wrong, the Gateway pc won't have the most important function of the new Imac design, i.e. the amazing flexibility of the placement and angle of the monitor.

Missing innovation in iMac/Profile (3, Interesting)

Pyrosophy (259529) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138089)

I keep asking myself why they have these one-unit computers, but still use keyboards and mouses with cords... These packages seem like exactly what wireless keyboards and mouses would be ideal for

Lots of reasons people stash their computers somewhere inaccessible is because of their lack of aesthetic value. But now that Apple has something with aesthetic value, it seems they ruin it by putting cords everywhere. It wouldn't drive up the price too much to put a wireless receiver in the box, would it?

Re:Missing innovation in iMac/Profile (-1)

Mayor McPenisman (557253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138166)

Wireless as a standard is a baaaaad idea. Most people who own wireless keyboards either don't care that their valuable typing information could be stolen, or they realize that there aren't enough wireless keyboards around to get someone motivated to invest in monitoring them. Inclusion of a "mainstream" wireless keyboard would wreak havoc, as people rush to crack it and log everyone else's Kazaa searches for "neekid britney spears"

just my .02$

Re:Missing innovation in iMac/Profile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138208)

I think one of the mail reasons the new iMac still uses mice and keyboards with cords is because so many of them will be used in schools computer centers.

There are only so many frequencies available for the wireless mice. Can you imagine the headaches when one kid moves his mouse and the other 24 arrows move by themselves?

But it would be cool-looking, no doubt.

erm... who is copying whom? (0)

Sodakar (205398) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138091)

...it's not about who's copying who. Heck, you're comparing apples to oranges, as there's a considerable design difference in having all the hardware (CPU, RAM, drive, etc...) in the *base* (Apple iMac) as opposed to the LCD (Gateway Profile)

Besides, as you can see from Gateway's Support Page [gateway.com], they've had the Profile for over 2-3 years -- with the first model being a 400MHz machine.

In all fairness, Apple isn't the only one that "Thinks Different" -- of course, I will concede that Gateway's Profile series wasn't too successful, and that Apple once again shows that it has a keen sense of timing -- thus allowing them to "Succeed Different". But to call Gateway's Profile a "knock-off" is not quite fair...

Oh well.

Large LCD screens (5, Funny)

perdida (251676) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138093)

are, unfortunately, untenable in a home with children and cats in it. at least my trusty glass screen will not leak goo all over the place when slashed by the claws of an angry monitor-sitting feline.

Furthermore, where is there room for the cat on a flatscreen anyway? They have to sit in front of the screen, getting static-cling created furballs between you and what you're looking at, or behind the screen, which removes the motivation for the whole computer-cat experience in the first place, pissing off the computer user.

Gateway is just.. (2)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138096)

Giving the customer what they want.

And if Apple gets pissed and sends in the lawyers, fine.

But know this: I think Gateway will not be cowed!

{mmph..snort..ahahahaa}

.

I don't see it (4, Funny)

szcx (81006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138097)

The Profile 3 shown in the article looks nothing like the new iMacs. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. And people complain about Slashdot editors.

Hell, this makes me want to subscribe to Slashdot just to maintain the current level of editorial integrity. God forbid a shortage of funds leads them down the road of c|net banality.

Picture wrong. (5, Informative)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138098)

The picture on the article is of the profile 3 (which they have been selling for a long time now.) The new profile 4 is going to look like an iMac, but they havn't released any pictures of it yet. And the article has very little details.

LCD+PC (0, Redundant)

Gruuk (18480) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138119)

I remember seeing this design (or a very similar one) on gateway's site MONTHS before the new iMac came out. Maybe it's a newer model with better parts, but same basic design and look. So in this case, Gateway actually made the thing (LCD+PC in one box) much before Apple's latest iMac; most people just haven't heard about it.

I hate all-in-ones (0)

infernalC (51228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138120)

The folks at Apple and Gateway might be doing some idiots and some intelegent folks who prioritize asthetics first and extensibilty second a favor, but I am not an idiot and I could care less if my machine is sexy - my fiancee is sexy enough to satisfy my eyes so that my PC doesn't have to pick up the slack.

I think LCD's are great because of small footprints. I would love to have one. But, I still want a small box under my desk with a PCI slot or two. I think the best case design for a home user yet has been Apple's cube. I was hoping I could get one cheap on ebay after they stopped making them, but alas, they have become a novelty item.

I want the display physically separate from the CPU case. I want to be able to hang the display on the wall above my desk at the perfect height for my eyes, and I don't want any footprints on the desktop but mine (I really dig wireless kb's and mice). And for Pete's sake, I need at least 19" at 1280x1024 to satisfy my multitasking ways or I need two displays.

Apple makes the best laptop on the planet (G4 Ti's), but the damn things only have one mouse button.

Re:I hate all-in-ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138182)

"Apple makes the best laptop on the planet (G4 Ti's), but the damn things only have one mouse button."

so get a fucking USB mouse!!!!! I cant stand trackpads anyway, regardess of the number of mouse buttons

Re:I hate all-in-ones (1)

infernalC (51228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138240)

But the trackpad is nice - it tracks really well. It just needs more buttons. Someone design a mod.

Nothing New from Gateway! (4, Informative)

suwalski (176418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138123)

Gateway actually had a PC with a monitor with a built in PC about 4 years ago (I don't think it was LCD). Anyhow, same time the iMac was coming ou,t or even before.

Take a look at Eurocom [eurocom.ca]. They've had the LP260 All-in-one LCD PC for over a year now. They beat Apple to it, and I think it's a very cool design.

Point is, everyone's 'ripping' everyone elses ideas off in today's industry, to the point that you can't really have an original product without hinting other products.

LCDs (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138127)

I'm not ready to let go of the boxes yet. CRTs, yes, the NEC 1700+ looks like a winner to replace the bulky monitor which occupies 40% of the desk, but they can take my boxen when they pry them from my cold, dead arms.

BTW: What's with the redirection of www.slashdot.org to freakydots? I thought there were going to be no pop-under or basically dirty trick ads.

SUV's (4, Insightful)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138130)

Anyone remember when SUV's really started taking off? All the auto companies started ripping apart pickup trucks and bolting on a new chassis. The end result was a Frankensteined monstrosity that was easy to tip over, handled poorly, and had the worst traits of cars and trucks. I just took a loot at the new Gateway, and it looks like they took a laptop apart and attached it to a metal fan base. It too has the worst features of a laptop and a desktop PC (difficult/impossible to upgrade, relatively immobile, bad ergonomics, and comparatively high price tag).
Where's the design? Half the people who buy these things are looking for something that goes well with the Art Deco interior of their social convergence area.

It's a beautiful day in the Neighborhood.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138131)

Can you say iOpener? Sure, I knew you could.

What's the startup sound? (1)

red_dragon (1761) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138137)

What sound does this Gateway computer make in place of the Mac "bong"? Moo? Hopefully it's a properly digitised "moo" they recorded, otherwise it might end up saying "moof" instead.

Re:What's the startup sound? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138234)

When a PC undergoes hardware failure and can't pass BIOS boot, you hear a series of beeps.

On the Mac, you hear a stereo recording of tires screeching and then a car violently smashing into something, with glass bouncing all over.

You figure they'd be more original (3, Insightful)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138140)

Why doesn't someone like Dell or Compaq, with their billions of dollars, hire some designers to come in and create some nice looking systems?

There's nothing uglier than a giant case full of empty space. Even their laptops are bigger, thicker, and have less features.

And other than Apple and Sony, does anyone else have integrated FireWire on most/all of their systems? No!

C|Net should check their facts (5, Informative)

petard (117521) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138160)

As others have noted, first off, the only similarity here appears to be that they both are all-in-ones with an LCD. The gateway doesn't appear to have any of the "bringing content-creation to the masses" focus that apple does. Moreover, though, the article states that

The Poway, Calif.-based PC maker got into the all-in-one business with its original Profile computer in June 1999 on the coattails of the first iMac. Gateway, however, did beat Apple to the punch with the first all-in-one computer to feature a flat panel.


Apple introduced the Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh [lowendmac.com], which was an all-in-one with an LCD, in May 1997. Oh well... I certainly don't read C|Net for the intelligent reporting. Actually, I'm not sure why I ever click an article that's linked there :-)

Integrated LCD and computer....hmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138164)

Many have integrated LCD and PC in one unit, Gateway has had the profile series for some time and Micros has been doing it for many many years. Lets not forget .... Laptops :)

The original impostor (2)

Daniel Rutter (126873) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138170)

As far as PCs-that-look-like-CRT-iMacs go, there are lots of machines being sold under different labels that're all based on the bare-bones Palladine LCDpc, which I review here [dansdata.com]. It's a pretty nifty piece of gear, actually, provided you can get a bare-bones one for a decent price and don't mind lacerating yourself when you install hardware in it.

Hard to see the iMac inspiration in this one... (1)

pinkpineapple (173261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138174)

Kinda like MS XP vx. OS X comparison. Apple is way better on the design side, but it's more expensive and will run less apps. Same deal for hw and sw.

Talking about the new iMac: has anyone noticed that the screen module tends to become lose from the arm attachment after some use. All the display models I've been playing with exhibit the problem. Could it be a flaw?

PPA, the girl next door.

Re:Hard to see the iMac inspiration in this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138199)

There are tons of OS X apps, plus Classic all ones classic programs (which i never use anymore). Please stop spreading FUD.

Re:Hard to see the iMac inspiration in this one... (4, Insightful)

fryke (265814) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138241)

How can you say Mac OS X is more expensive and running less apps? Count again:

- Mac OS 9 software
- Mac OS X software
- X Window System software
- Command line applications

And about the price... What is Mac OS X? It's of course provided with all new macs, but if you buy it standalone, you pay 129$. What does Windows XP Professional Edition set you back? And I'm not talking OEM versions... *sigh*.

Get a notebook instead! (1)

forgoil (104808) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138179)

They are smaller, portable, and more powerful than the slow iMacs. Is there even a question of what is the smartest thing to do?

*bah* Now mod me -#inf all you Mac lovers

(A Mac with dual G5@1.8Ghz would have been competetive though)

Straight outta 1997 (3, Insightful)

zealot (14660) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138183)

This thing has nothing to do with the IMac. Gateway isn't, and wasn't, the first to use the "profile pc" design.

When I entered college in the fall of '97, my roommate has a machine like this from Compaq... it featured a Pentium 166 MMX processor, and a fairly crappy LCD.

I'm not sure that Compaq was the first to develop and sell one of these, but they've been around for a while.

I hate getting told that x has been made to copy y because y is popular, when x was really around for a long, long time before y gained any popularity. It reminds me of fashion trends in junior high...

Re:Straight outta 1997 (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138218)

Apple made an all in one with an LCD for their 20th anneversary ('95 I think?). the 20th Anneversary Mac looks more like the Profile 3 than the new iMac. Granted the things cost like 10K when they came out, weren't that fast, and broke easily. I don't really know of any combos like this before that tho.

You people are missing Japanese products (4, Informative)

kazzuya (135293) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138188)

Forget this stuff. Check out the Vaio PCV-W101 [sony.co.jp]. It has TV tuner, DVD, 1280x768 LCD, 2 PCMCIA ports, i.Link, USB and what else.
Japan is filled with those products.

Its Not a Nockoff (1)

linuxbert (78156) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138196)

Many PC Manufactures had LCD all in one units prior to the iMac. Eurocom, IBM, even the Gateway
exixted prior to the iMac.

What makes the imac special is the arm, and how you can ajust the lcd in any direction you please
plus its ultra cool styleing.

it could be imitated, but imposible to reporduce.

Re:Its Not a Nockoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138225)

True ....the IBM Netvista X series was there way before the Mac was.

Knock off????? (4, Informative)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138206)

How the heck is this a knock off of the LCD iMac? The Profile 3 is an all-in-one LCD machine. The profile 4 is an all-in-one LCD machine with a slimer design. The Profile 3 was out long before the LCD iMac. If the Profile 4 is keeping the Profile 3's physical layout of having all the components housed in the same housing as the LCD, unlike the iMac's housing of everything in a separate base.

Calling this a knock off is just stupid.

What is the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3138228)

What is the point of a machine that cannot be upgraded? (and no, mac philes, the ability to put an extra DIMM into a system does NOT class it as 'upgradable')

The mac has always promoted form over function; (no wonder it's favoured by designers) when your iMac is getting long in the tooth your options are either throw it away and buy a new one, or turn it into a fish tank [macaquarium.com].

What's next - go faster stripes?

20th Anniversary Mac, 5 years later (5, Informative)

maggard (5579) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138230)

Actually this looks a lot more like Apple's 20th Anniversary Mac [eis.net.au]; essentially a laptop opened up with lots of built-in goodies.

Integrated custom Bose sound system with woofer/power suppply, integrated TV & FM radio system, S-Video input, and of course the little leather pads on the keyboard. Oh, and the high tech metal bracket holding it up that reportedly cost over a hundred bucks each to manufacture. Originially sold for around $10,000 then as low as $2,000. Of course for 10k it arrived a limo and was set up for you by a tech in a tux (kid you not!) A review from when it first came out is on MacWorld [macworld.com]

Bet Gateway doesn't offer a tech in a cow suit to set theirs up...

Apple was not the first. (2, Informative)

InjuredLabMonkey (453692) | more than 12 years ago | (#3138248)

If you're talking about LCD terminals, IBM was really the first with their NetVista series. While it may have been lacking in power, it's simply ignorant to call Apple pioneers in that area.
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