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Hawaii Wi-Fi

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the wish-i-lived-on-an-island dept.

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wyldchild37 writes "Through all the hype about 802.11b, I haven't seen too many real applications being talked about. Now that's starting to change. Here's a story on a guy who has set up a wireless network covering a good chunk of the Big Island of Hawaii. His network includes base stations wherever he can place them, along with an assortment of amplifiers, antennas, and other gear."

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Welcome to PI DAY, Slashdot! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161365)

3/14! Let's celebrate our favorite transcendental number, the smallest positive root of sin(x) !! Also
Einstein's birthday! And we had pi post [slashdot.org] on slashdot only 3 days ago!

And there we go... browsers with weird whitespace handling will display the first 1000 digits of pi in all of its wide glory! Don't mod this down! Complain to Bill Gates or switch to Mozilla.

3 .1415926535897932384626433 .8327950288419716939937510 .5820974944592307816406286 .2089986280348253421170679 .8214808651328230664709384 .4609550582231725359408128 .4811174502841027019385211 .0555964462294895493038196 .4428810975665933446128475 .6482337867831652712019091 .4564856692346034861045432 .6648213393607260249141273 .7245870066063155881748815 .2092096282925409171536436 .7892590360011330530548820 .4665213841469519415116094 .3305727036575959195309218 .6117381932611793105118548 .0744623799627495673518857 .5272489122793818301194912 .9833673362440656643086021 .3949463952247371907021798 .6094370277053921717629317 .6752384674818467669405132 .0005681271452635608277857 .7134275778960917363717872 .1468440901224953430146549 .5853710507922796892589235 .4201995611212902196086403 .4418159813629774771309960 .5187072113499999983729780 .4995105973173281609631859 .5024459455346908302642522 .3082533446850352619311881 .7101000313783875288658753 .3208381420617177669147303 .5982534904287554687311595 .6286388235378759375195778 .1857780532171226806613001 .9278766111959092164201989

Re:Welcome to PI DAY, Slashdot! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161378)

nice post! But it's unfortunately not wide enough!

.I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling

Re:Welcome to PI DAY, Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161452)

Actually, a "pi widening post" can be as wide as you want it to be: just use more digits. And it will never repeat itself (unlike your post). You should give it a try someday.

Best page widening post (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161389)

EVER!

Slashdot rejected my "X-Box launches in Europe" story. The anti-Microsoft bias is even MORE obvious, considering how many equivalent PS2 stories were posted.

Slashdot LOVES the PS2. Which is interesting, because Sony has done more damage towards the lack of freedom to copy media for personal use than Microsoft ever has!

Re:Best page widening post (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161450)

Yuh but Microsoft isn't open sore. Well I don't have a clue what difference it makes, since most linous zealots aren't even programmers. Dorks just need something to complain about.

Re:Welcome to PI DAY, Slashdot! (0, Offtopic)

CopperTop (540966) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162325)

Nice FP! completely off topic, but still insightfull. The presence of this date relevant post makes me wonder if you can first post at will. Good Job.

I would wonder... (2, Insightful)

Jinky (565098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161370)

...what type of security he'd have implemented on something such as this network. Would anyone with a wireless NIC be able to access it? If it connects to his own network at home, are those boxes secure there?

Re:I would wonder... (2, Informative)

CmdrTaco (editor) (564483) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161426)

Mutual authentication, secure key derivation, dynamic WEP keys, Reauthentication policies, and initialization vector changes. These are all implemented by hi.net [hi.net] and no doubt will be used by any other ISP wishing for a reasonable amount of security.

Read about more about them. [cisco.com]

Re:I would wonder... (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161456)

Im a cybornetic organysm. My CPU is a neuro net processor, a learning computer.

Re:I would wonder... (-1)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161485)

Sounds very interesting. Have you been able to harness the massive parallel capabilities of the human mind in order to avoid death at the hands of video-game assassins?

Secret code embossed on your BofA ATM card! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161525)

The secret code is written just on top of your 16 digit number. It is invisible to the naked eye, but you can see it using specular reflections (the reflection of a lamp works well). Can you read what it says?

Re:I would wonder... (1)

Jinky (565098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161515)

But not everyone does this :) I can drive around with a wireless NIC in my lappy in downtown Toronto, sooner or later can get on to someone's network that they have set up. Pretty sad security measures.

Aloha Net (5, Informative)

spotter (5662) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161375)

This is somewhat interesting, as a lot of the research that went into what became ethernet was originally developed at the university of hawaii, as a wireless network, called Aloha http://www.nightflight.com/foldoc-bin/foldoc.cgi?A loha

Bob Metcalf (of xerox parc, later founding 3com) went on and basically took the protocol's and put them on a wire (instead of wireless), and this led to what we know of ethernet today.

what 802.11 adds to ethernet (that aloha didn't have) is the request to send/clear to send protocol which prevents the "hidden sender" problem from appearing. This problem is, wireless cards only have a certian range, card "a" might want to send data to card "b", and card "c" might want to send data to card "b", but "a" and "c" can't see each other, so their can be collisions which they will never know about because they can't see the collision. (unlike in ethernet, or in aloha, where all the hosts are assumed to be able to see each other)

Re:Aloha Net (1)

LinuxInDallas (73952) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161428)

Yeap, every comp sci student who takes a class on networking is forced to learn about ALOHA. Personally, I think smoke signals are a much better way to communicate from island to island. :)

Re:Aloha Net (2, Interesting)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161622)

Really? Damn, I was forced to learn about it by reading _Packet Radio_ by Robert Rouleau VE2PY and Ian Hodgson VE2BEN, and hanging around the university amateur radio station, VE2CUA.

Of course there was no packet radio at the time in the U.S. because they didn't allow the modulation type.

Bob and Norm later went on to form a company (PacketData?) to do their hobby commercially, and NASA bought some of their units for the Mars Rover to base station links.

Meanwhile what I learned about packets helped wonders on a number of projects. However my CDC-6600 assembler course hasn't gotten me any jobs at all. Go figure!

Re:Aloha Net (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161440)

> This problem is, wireless cards only have a certian range, card "a" might want to send data to card "b", and card "c" might want to send data to card "b", but "a" and "c" can't see each other, so their can be collisions which they will never know about because they can't see the collision.

This is called the "hidden terminal" problem. Google for it if you'd like to know more about it (and how to solve it)

Re:Aloha Net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161912)

Aloha Net was the first thing that came to mind when I saw Hawaii and networks. My communication systems professor often mentioned working as a graduate student on Aloha Net. That would be Martha Sloan, former president of the IEEE.

Fierstest POSTed? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161377)

FP? FP? FP?

Yes but.... (4, Funny)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161380)

Do you really want to go to Hawaii to be geek'd up? Isn't the purpose of Hawaii to have a place where Geeks' take their wives so they will stop complaining? ("I want a week without you in front of a screen, where we will actually sit and talk" "Can I PLEASE just take my palmpilot? I won't even take the charger. Promise") Where a geek might actually see the daystar?

JoeLinux

Re:Yes but.... (1)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161418)

Spent a week on Maui just over a year ago. Took the wife and kids - stayed in the Sheraton Black Rock. Very nice. Relaxing. And, yes, I spent some time in the hotel's business center. While there I noticed they rented laptops - but the only Internet connectivity was through ethernet which didn't help at the beach. I enlightened the proprietor about 802.11b and Access Points. I wonder if they're set up by now? Anyone been there lately?

To be honest, there's enough down-time on vacations to enjoy a little work. I guess you just gotta like what you do - or be obsessive-compulsive... //* Pops another Paxil *//

Re:Yes but.... (2)

BlueUnderwear (73957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161636)

While there I noticed they rented laptops - but the only Internet connectivity was through ethernet which didn't help at the beach.

That's probably exactly the reason why they don't have wireless. Y'a know, it gets kinda expensive if you have to clean or replace the laptops each week because of sand in the drives...

Re:Yes but.... (1)

_xen (79742) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161933)

the only Internet connectivity was through ethernet which didn't help at the beach. I enlightened the proprietor about 802.11b and Access Points. I wonder if they're set up by now?

You want access at the beach?! Umm wasn't the reason your wife took you there to get away from the monitor for a minute?

Re:Yes but.... (1)

neuroticia (557805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161435)

Geeks have wives?

Re:Yes but.... (1)

Anthracks (532185) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161479)

There's still hope...even CmdrTaco duped someone into marrying him!

Don't you mean (5, Funny)

backlonthethird (470424) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161386)

Hawaii Wi-Fi-OH?

Book'em, Dano (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3162731)

for assault with a deadly pun :)

Linux (-1, Troll)

Fagtastic (566399) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161387)

You can suck my big island.... too bad it isn't wireless....

laser links (2, Insightful)

ndevice (304743) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161391)

The article doesn't mention laser/optical links, but it seems to me that that would be an alternative to the DSL and T1 lines they have connecting base sites already. With the optical link method, potentially, you can connect up lots more base sites without laying down more wiring.

Of course, everything might get out of alignment when they have an earthquake...

Re:laser links (2)

ender81b (520454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161402)

Laser/Optical links also fail after very short distances due to water, dust, etc in the atmosphere(hell, there is a VOLCANO on the island) and are extremely expensive not to mention line-of-sight only.

Re:laser links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161931)

There was a relatively cheap homebrew optical link on /. a while ago.

Huh? (2, Insightful)

EricKrout.com (559698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161394)

wyldchild37 writes "Through all the hype about 802.11b, I haven't seen too many real applications being talked about."

Huh? Yeah, no one's talking about using wireless because EVERYONE'S ALREADY USING IT. Christ, there's an article from 2000 [wired.com] that talks about how popular wireless on college campuses was getting two years ago. These days, it's almost the norm. There've been numerous articles posted to Slashdot about particular colleges using wireless and loving it.

Aside from 802.11b on college campuses, there are plenty of other applications. I hope I don't sound like I'm scolding you or something, it's just that you seem to be a bit out of the loop, which is fine :-)

MONOLINUX :: The Safe-Haven For Linux Power Users [monolinux.com]

Re:Huh? (1)

guamman (527778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161464)

They might have been talking about it for a while, but that doesn't mean they've been doing it. I am currently at the University of Wisconsin -- Madison and we barely have any wireless access. Aside from parts of the Union, the CS building, and about 10% of the libraries, wireless is just hype. Personally, any major chunk of property covered by wireless is a great acheivement compare to the majority of Universities. To that end, I'm currently involved in a project to cover downtown Madison, WI. We should be starting the implementation in less than one month. I only hope we get as big as the one in Hawaii

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161471)

MMMMMM free college papers. I love the insecurity of wireless

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161555)

My reaction exactly. How the heck could you have been reading /. recently and NOT seen the slew of cities, universities, nerd groups, etc. doing wireless. Yeah, a lot is talk, but a lot is being done too.

At UW-Madison the wireless is spotty at best

boo-hoo, I was also in Madison and was pretty happy about the ridiculous amout of bandwidth UW has. Limited wireless there does not imply that the rest of the world is not moving ahead. Places like Faibanks, Alaska have heavy competition between companies offering wireless across the whole city!

Re:Huh? (2, Informative)

the_greywolf (311406) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161594)

beyond that, this month's issue of Wired magazine (in the Infoporn section, of course), proudly displays a map of the continental US showing the locations of major Wi-Fi networks.

unfortunately, it fails to show the WAN that a local ISP just rolled out. last i checked, it was doing quite well.... and this is way out in the desert boonies in southern Idaho!

PLZ FOAD (-1, Offtopic)

Fuck You Faggot (560952) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161395)

i hate you

Wi-Fi like the I-net (2, Interesting)

dooguls (110485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161398)

IMHO the most interesting part of the article was the mention of the growth of Wi-Fi for free as a parallel for the growth of the Internet as a medium to freely share ideas and disperse knowledge and understanding. I hope the author's dream does come true. I'd love to see wireless access to the I-net as prevelant as cell phone access is or better for that matter.

Scalability issues (5, Interesting)

WTC Survivor (566347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161400)

Things may have changed in recent years, but I recall reading a while back that there is a frightningly small amount of bandwidth between the continental U.S. and Hawaii. Although this guy may be able to share his little T1 with about 30-40 people, I can attest (from personal experience) that 1) he is going to need to start installing more lines to go past that, and 2) the more lines he needs, the higher the marginal cost will get, because the wired links between the U.S. and Hawaii max out at about 36Mbps. That 36Mbps needs to be split amongst all of the 1337 wireless jockeys on the island, as well as all other voice and data telephone traffic. When the population (about 650,000 as of the last census) is taken into account, that doesn't leave a lot of room left for his project to grow. Which is, IMHO, unfortunate.

That leaves the residents of the island who hunger for faster speeds two options: 1) put up with 4.5sec latencies and use satellites to move data between Hawaii and the rest of the world, or 2) beg their sugar daddies in D.C. for a few million dollars to upgrade the island's aging hardwired links. Or 3) route low-latency traffic (games, ssh, etc.) over the T1, and route downloads over the satellite.

Re:Scalability issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161503)

Actually its not that bad. I don't see much of a difference between using the Internet on the mainland versus here.

Communication in Hawaii has always seemed easy. I used to read (and still do) about people having problems with either RoadRunner or DSL. I've had both and never really had any problems and least nothing like 4.5 sec latencies.

The Big Island has about 120,000 people I think. Oahu has about 1.2 mil. I'm not sure about the rest be I think its less that the Big Island except for maybe Maui.

I think the communication between here and the mainland is better than you think. With all the military and the Pacific Fleet over here, I don't think they would put up with it. On the Big Island and Maui they have all the big telescopes. I know they have some big lines to the Maui Supercomputer.

Even things like Cell phones or Palm has great coverage here. I've used a cell phone a couple of miles off shore on a boat and even once while diving. I think it because we have limited land area and its easy and cheap for these companies to set up an attenna.

Re:Scalability issues (2)

Dolly_Llama (267016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161511)

2) beg their sugar daddies in D.C. for a few million dollars to upgrade the island's aging hardwired links.

Considering Sens Akaka and Inouye are frighteningly senior, this might not be such a bad idea...

Re:Scalability issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161543)

Hawaii's bandwidth problems were fixed about ten years ago. Nowadays they are the nexus for a bunch of trans-pacific links between the US and the East. They've got more bandwidth on tap than many countries do.

Re:Scalability issues (2)

mpe (36238) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161553)

That leaves the residents of the island who hunger for faster speeds two options:

Actually there appear to be at least 17 named islands. Hawai'i is the biggest, Molokini the smallest. The former is getting larger, due to active volcanism, the latter smaller due to errosion.

: 1) put up with 4.5sec latencies and use satellites to move data between Hawaii and the rest of the world, or 2) beg their sugar daddies in D.C. for a few million dollars to upgrade the island's aging hardwired links. Or 3) route low-latency traffic (games, ssh, etc.) over the T1, and route downloads over the satellite.

Wonder if the islands' legitimate government would have been short sighted enough to not bother with communications links to the west...

Re:Scalability issues (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161558)

Nope, we got lines going to Japan too.

Re:Scalability issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161665)

knowing the lusers in the hawaii state government, i wouldnt be surprised if the links dont get upgraded for a few decades from now. as it is, it took several decades to finish the H3 interstate highway.....

Re:Scalability issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161627)

I live on O'ahu and have RoadRunner. I usually get 200-500k/sec downloads to fast california mirrors, and I usually get 600k-1.1MB/sec on speakeasy.rpmfind.net

Re:Scalability issues (1)

lfourrier (209630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161853)

Once the community network become big enough, external connectivity become less and less an issue, because more and more content can be served from inside the network.
Do you remember that internet is a mean to communicate inter networks. ? It is not destined to be the one and unique network.

.

Re:Scalability issues (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3162828)

I can't speak for the Big Island (perhaps that's what you meant by 'Hawaii') but I know the state of Hawaii (in particular, Oahu) has a *lot* more bandwidth than 36Mbps. Witness pihana [pihana.com] , which has a colocation facility in Honolulu with up to OC192 connectivity.

Big Island? (1)

Thakandar2 (260848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161405)

Heh, there's a classic example of human creativity for you.

"Hey, Coronado, what's all this maze surrounding that city look like you?"
In an appropriately poetic air, "It is truly the city of gold..."
So what do they name it? El Dorado and we get an unfunny animated movie from it...

On the other extreme you have explorers like so:

Explorer to other explorers: "Then we got taken to the Bigger Island by the natives..."
"What did they call it?"
"Er... Big Island!"
"Does this have anything to do with that, um, what's it called... Long Island place?"
"Of course not! There's a whole new continent between there!"

Sort of like Dave Barry said once: They sent ten people to survey New Yorkers on their geography skills. Ten reported back, but unfortunately two of the survey givers fell into the Ohio river getting there and drowned...

Or something like that.

Re:Big Island? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161666)

actually, the name of the island is Hawai'i. locals just call it big island so no can make mistake bout wut we stay talkin bout.

Lava Flows (1)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161407)

This will be great! nice to see it done... what happens when the lava flows shift and melt the towers to the ground thoe? :)

Other rollouts (2, Informative)

CmdrTaco (editor) (564483) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161409)

The University of Hawaii is also rolling out its own [hawaii.edu] campus wide 802.11b system.

Looks like the pricing is only going to be 24.95 a month [hi.net] for ISDN speeds up to $99.99 for 1 Mb. Doesn't seem like all that bad a deal.

.... and all free! (2, Insightful)

icejai (214906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161413)

Wiecking has built his network through a coalition of educators, researchers, and nonprofit organizations; with the right equipment and passwords, anyone who wants to tap in can do so, at no charge.


Wow, what this guy is doing is pretty amazing. Everyone can benefit from a little generosity and ambition, if everyone gives a little.

Conventional 802.11 networks have a range of no more than 300 feet, but by using a hodgepodge of cheap amplifiers, antennas, and other gear, Wiecking has been able to stoke up the range of some of his base stations to more than 26 miles.


26 miles?? This is pretty impressive. Have any ISP's in any city considered doing this as an option of giving broadband internet access?

Also, I bet if 802.11 were implemented into cell phones, or RIM blackberry devices, wireless plan rates would drop like a stone.
Here in Toronto, for $25/month (cdn dollars) and a RIM blackberry, you're only allowed to send or receive 75Kbytes a month. I bet this crazy monthly rate would drop like crazy if Bell Canada did something in Toronto like what this guy is doing in Hawaii (heck... we can even use the CN Tower to transmit!).

Of course there is a problem of sniffing the packets right out of the air, but that can be solved if pgp were used.

Good stuff... good stuff...
I like what this guy is doing... and support his vision.

Re:.... and all free! (2, Informative)

Sokie (60732) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161483)

26 miles?? This is pretty impressive. Have any ISP's in any city considered doing this as an option of giving broadband internet access?

This one [pocketinet.com] is going about 10 miles as the crow flies, although they are just a local outfit, but you can see from this map [topozone.com] how far they are going with 802.11b equipment, most likely amplified.

Re:.... and all free! (1)

pennsol (317791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162050)

I live in the US Virgin Islands, our local ISP http://www.viaccess.net has a system called WDSL http://www.wdsl.net its been up for almost three years, for those with friends that work there, :) it gets you 1-3 Mbit depending on how much you give them $79 - $200 respectively and its synch i have a local FTP server i use for file transfers and get good speeds.. sometimes we get a few bandwitdh issues since our stateside connection is shared between three islands, four ISPs and the phone company but that problem is being solved soon .. upgrade in the fiber system.. anyway it works without any major problems their's about 200 customers on it as of now and whene they get the bandwidth problems worked out they'll start selling it again..imagine that an ISP that doesn't over sell a product..till they have the available bandwidth...

Re:.... and all free! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3162933)

Conventional 802.11 networks have a range of no more than 300 feet, but by using a hodgepodge of cheap amplifiers, antennas, and other gear, Wiecking has been able to stoke up the range of some of his base stations to more than 26 miles.


Hmmmm, wonder what the FCC thinks about all this. After all, the 802.11 stuff is supposed to be low power stuff as defined in 47CFR Part 15. I don't think he's allowed to use Part 97 techniques for Part 15 devices...


The article claims that he built his own ham radio way back when, but apparently he doesn't currently hold a valid amateur radio license, unless his name has been misspelled or something...

Aloha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161416)

How many years ago did those crazy hawiaians create aloha? they just love their wireless networks.

WiNot? (0, Flamebait)

DarkRecluse (231992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161421)

...because I am going to take 1000 2.4ghz phones and spread them all across the island, making the network totally useless:)

...then again, WiFi has a habit of making itself totally useless;)

Re:WiNot? (1)

DarkRecluse (231992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161469)

Oh I forgot..."Because I said so!", and "Because WiFi has no bones!"

Any Security? (1)

delirious1 (545607) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161422)

I mean, security is an issue with wireless-- couldn't anyone just tap in? How could such tapping be pervented?

Don't hurt the freshthing, I'm just wondering if I'm missing something.

No applications? (2, Informative)

Joe Decker (3806) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161427)

Through all the hype about 802.11b, I haven't seen too many real applications being talked about...

I disagree. I believe that being able to answer email during the dead bits of meetings, being able to wander into someones office at work and being able to immediately work with them, being able to telecommute, read my mail or just surf the TV listings from my couch without having to be tied to a cord are all pretty solid applications of the technology.

I'm not the only person who thinks so. A coworker recently ran an 802.11b networking finding program on his laptop on his drive to work, and counted 175 distinct networks, all probably within 100 yards of his car during his commute... There're a lot of 802.11b networks going up.

--Joe

Re:No applications? (1)

Arimus (198136) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161504)

Not only that but the relief from not having to drop miles of cat.5 or what ever flavour of network cabling all around the building beyond the backbone is both a time and cost saver + you don't get some ID10T from HSE bitching about the trailing cables everywhere...

Also on Maui (3, Informative)

Overcoat (522810) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161429)

Wiecking's project to bring wireless net to the island Hawaii has gotten a lot of support from the University of Hawaii and the Maui High Performance Computing Center, which is also working to impelment wireless on Maui. The MHPCC has a site here [mhpcc.edu] with some nice info pages [mhpcc.edu] , including some helpful coverage maps [mhpcc.edu] . A lot of the areas the MHPCC's project covers are way out in the 'boonies (Honokaa, Kohala), so any geeks who are interested in doing the whole hermit-in-paradise thing might want to take note.

Re:Also on Maui (2)

Nohea (142708) | more than 11 years ago | (#3162674)

Dude, this is cool. I always was checking out what it would take to get better-than-modem access around Maui, where i'm from. DSL is almost double the cost of it in NYC.

I noticed that you can get coverage up to the top edge of Haleakala. Must be for those researchers!

Hawaii's new travel ad (1)

Xamdam_us (524194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161430)

Come to Hawaii a surfer's paradise. Oh and we still have waves too.

How To Do It Yourself (5, Informative)

hyrdra (260687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161437)

What this guy has accomplished here would really be a no-brainer for most on Slashdot. The only thing I can see stopping one is the financial aspect -- an even that's not high. $1000 will create a 256 user, 5 mile 802.11b omnidirectional network or a 25 mile PtP. Myself and three others are setting up a public network in Athens, Ohio. You would be amazed at how many cities will allow you to co-locate antennas on public service towers and buildings when you bill the service as non-profit and for the community.

Here is a low-down of the basic equipment needed for a high-range, omnidirectional base station:

- 15 dB 80" Omnidirectional Antenna
- 1W AGC Amplifier
- Linksys WAP11 (or your favorite AP here)
- N to N male Connector (amplifier to antenna)
- BNC to N male Connector (AP to amplifier)

All of the above cost under $800, and when situated in an area with good radio horizon, you can expect 11 Mbps for at least a mile, and 2 Mbps up to 10 (in some cases). Please note that it's against FCC regulations to operate a 2.4 GHz link at 1W with a 15 dB antenna. I doubt anything would come of it since it's not a huge increase over the limit in this area of the spectrum, however for the paranoid you should use an automatic gain control amp that adjusts power automatically to keep you legal.

Other than that it just depends on how much money you have to invest in these base stations to provide wireless roaming. What we have found is that two stations located near enough each other that they overlap tends to increase the power somewhat and allow more users on the system.

This is really the future. Once enough cities grow their own public wireless networks and the technology gets up in the 100 Mbps range (802.11a is not applicable as the range is very limited) at the current distance and power, we can say goodbye to the telecommunications giants for most things.

Re:How To Do It Yourself (3, Informative)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161656)

15 db omni directional antenna? Am I missing something here? In all my years an Amateur radio I've never seen an omni directional antenna that could do 15 db.

I think the reason why the fcc limits it to I think 6db is the effective radiated power for a higher gain antenna is in some cases (not if you're losing most it over the feedline, or that right angle adapter for the connector or whatever) exponential or in other words 1 watt becomes 10. You're probably losing a lot of gain on these cheap access points anyhow - just out of the way they are manufactured. But also 2.4 ghz is resonant with water and can make you blind or affect your eyesight at a high enough gain/power - and unlike amateur radio no-one makes you take a test to know that.

Re:How To Do It Yourself (3, Informative)

hyrdra (260687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161740)

Here is a link to one of the many 15 dB omni's available for the 2.4 GHz spectrum:

http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hg2415u.html

Yes, it really does 15 dB. I've tested it.

Re:How To Do It Yourself (2, Insightful)

TheLOTR (526987) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161662)

Maybe a good discussion would be: "what can you do for society, knowing what you know"

After all, even though it seems many of us have the knowledge to implement and/or push such simple standards to help change the world for the better, very few of us seem willing to spend their time in such noble persuits.

Have geeks become so godlike with technology that we forget help the less techno-literate around us?

...and if so, Is that a bad thing, or simply the way things go?

Frankly, I say that what this guy has done is great IMHO, and I wish that I could get myself off my lazy ass to be as useful as he is, with what minute knowledge I do have

Re:How To Do It Yourself (2)

swillden (191260) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161973)

you should use an automatic gain control amp that adjusts power automatically to keep you legal.

How does using automatic gain control keep you legal? The maximum power output still exceeds the legal limits, right?

Note that I know embarassingly little about radio; this is a question, not a criticism.

Re:How To Do It Yourself (1)

241comp (535228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162160)

How is 802.11a's range limited? From what I've read it seems that at any given distance, 802.11a outperforms 802.11b. Is that not correct? Of course, that's up to the maximum distance you can send it (within legal power limits). Any idea where I could get more info on the topic?

Re:How To Do It Yourself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3162656)

Question. The WAP11 has two BNC ports. What do you do with the one that is not connected to the amp? Surely there is some loss from it just sitting there with no antenna.

Ode to the daring (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161458)

Ode to the ingenius
Eight O two, eleven B pirate
Liberate bandwith!

Re:Ode to the daring (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161474)

I know it is ingenious. I bet a grammar nazi will still correct me(even after reading this). Oh well.

Re:Ode to the daring (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161492)

Spelling not grammar nazi in this case.

Re:Ode to the daring (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161496)

Oops, I forgot a comma.

It should read:
Spelling, not grammar nazi in this case

Re:Ode to the daring (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161497)

Oops, I forgot a period.

It should read:
Spellling, not grammar nazi in this case.

Re:Ode to the daring (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161500)

Ooops, one too many, L's.

It should read:
Spelling, not grammar nazi in this case.

I have a question. (2, Interesting)

Latent IT (121513) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161461)

If he can get a 26 mile range out of 802.11, well, how? I can understand that that's the top range with an amazing directional antenna, and if you amplify it, maybe it doesn't have to be directional. But how does the signal from the laptop (and the amazingly sissy antenna) reach the 26 mile ranged base station?

Flame away, if you want. I'm actually curious now. =)

Re:I have a question. (1)

Indy1 (99447) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161548)

i dont think a laptop wireless nic can go that far, i think the 26 mile range is only to another base station with a directional antenna.

Re:I have a question. (3, Informative)

hyrdra (260687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161568)

The 26 mile quote in the article was probably regarding a directional antenna on a base station. Of course, Hawaii doesn't have the buildings and urban sprawl of most other places in the US (or world for that matter), so it may be resonable to assume an amplified antenna on a high peak or mountain would receive such omnidirectional range. At least I would suspect Hawaii would have better range than in the states where there is a lot more RF in the air.

Or it could just be that the news article had it's wording wrong, and that he's actually operating 26 miles from his T1 land line via an array of 802.11b base stations.

Re:I have a question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161683)

actually, where this guy is (on the island of Hawaii) truly has little in the way of urban spawl. however, on the island of Oahu, there is a great deal of continuous urban area, so the RF is actually pretty comparable to most cities.

Add it to the list (1)

gkbarr (124078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161491)

Beautiful beaches, women, and weather... and a wifi network to boot! This is just another of the thousands of reasons that I need to move to Hawaii.

Probably a stupid question (2, Interesting)

Anthracks (532185) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161494)

I'm not exactly an expert on wireless internet, but where does the bandwidth to connect this network to the rest of the internet come from? I was under the impression almost all broadband providors don't take kindly to a wireless link providing free access for all to their network. Do these projects just have a very generous ISP behind them, or is it done without their knowledge, or what? I'm curious how this was pulled off at this end of the connection.

What do the ISPs think? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161532)

My prediction is that WiFi will become the napster of internet connections. ISPs will probably sue the pants off these people which is really sad.

But there's no stopping technology and for $1000 per station it's not so bad.

Zero catch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161536)

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Re:Zero catch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161560)

There is only so many times this can be said.

SHUT THE FUCK UP

Wireless and security. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3161586)

What about... (1, Troll)

ameoba (173803) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161587)

I could see this really pissing me off if I wanted my own -private- 802.11 network running inside of my house/busines. Perhaps I am just naive as to the realities of 802.11, but wouldn't any 802.11 set up in the range covered by this guys network be forced to compete with it for bandwidth, or even worse, be borged into joining it?

Re:What about... (1)

DiSKiLLeR (17651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161624)

Pick a different channel, and run at a different frequency. Your not longer competing with him for bandwidth as you have your own bandwidth slice.

Also, use WEP (infact, don't use WEP, use IPsec, but anyway), and no one will see your data :)

D.

The right idea for the wrong place (4, Interesting)

SONET (20808) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161598)

This guy has a neat idea, but he sure didn't pick a very good place to implement it.

I spent a few months out of every year on the Big Island when I was growing up (my dad lives there) and still visit once or twice a year. For those of you that haven't been there, the terrain is not by any means well-suited for wireless communications. There are hills and valleys everywhere. Cell phone companies have a hell of a time providing decent service there (try being in a car and riding down the road a few miles while on the phone, you often get disconnected). My brother provided the land for a big AT&T tower on his ranch, and the tower more or less covers the northern part of the island. It seems about the only place to get decent reception on the nothern part of the island is on the ranch itself. Taking this into consideration, I would guess this guy is going to need lots of people participating to get this working very well.

I have to point out the that the reporter made an incorrect statement about broadband availability on the island. My dad has had a cable modem for years (so have his friends all over the island), and it seems to work better than mine does in California. And DSL was available to him even before it was at my house or office in Orange County. The only problem is, as others have mentioned, the island chain isn't connected up very well with the rest of the world. But the pipes don't seem to be saturated just yet... he gets good ping times to the mainland and he usually has more bandwidth to different sites around the world than I do (yes I realize there are other variables heh). Whatever the case, I wish reporters could get their facts straight. I guess it sounded better for him to say that nothing else was available there. It may be an island, but it is no longer the boonies (unfortunately) - it is pretty developed there and the place is growing at a very fast rate.

Anyway, still a cool idea... I look forward to checking it out on my next trip over there. Maybe I missed it (I'm in need of some sleep!), but where is he getting the Internet connection to share with everyone? If each base station was contributing... wouldn't that mean that some of these people had broadband in their homes to begin with in order for them to contribute?

--SONET

Who wants to do this? (2, Informative)

DiSKiLLeR (17651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161599)

Who wants to do this in Adelaide, Australia? If so, please contact me :)

Okay, i know theres www.adelaide.air.net.au (and www.air.net.au !) and www.airnet.com.au...

Broadband prices here suck, and we want to give fast internet access to the masses.

D.

From Hawaii to Haiti (1)

fruey (563914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161626)

In Haiti, Internet is ALL wireless. Wish I could find a link for you but I can't :(

Great Propogation (2)

Perdo (151843) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161696)

Hawaii has a long history of being radio central. From the developement of by TCP by HAMs to NAVCAM, one of the few elf stations in the world. I shot a 1435mhz LOS link 310 miles from Pu Ki Ki on the big island to Mount Kahala on Oahu at 3 watts @ 4608kbs data rate. The water does some amazing things for RF propogation there.

Re:Great Propogation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3162134)

Not bad for LOS, from my calculations you were using approx 100 foot towers at each end to keep the beam in line ?

Nature Question (1)

mj (123061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3161984)

I recall hearing that other wireless technologies like cell phone towers, are driving certain birds away, amongst other nature-related problems.

Does anyone know if wireless networks are perpetuating the same issues?

I'd be especially concerned in an area like Hawaii -- where to me, it all seems so unnecessary.

Wireless and where it needs to go (1)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162090)

Alright, all I know is this: If either telephone or cable providers simply placed wireless base stations every place needed along their cable route they'd be no more need for wires to your house (well, except for power of course).

Your phone, your digital TV, and your Internet service could all come over the air, not only making them low maitenence and high quality, but PORTABLE to wherever you go! Wouldn't this be awsome? Even your car would become easily Internet-ready. Need directions anyone?

Of course, security would become an issue, and I'm sure there would be heavy subscriber fees, plus there would be encryption preventing you from leaving your "local service area" without extra charges, and who knows how big that will be (in fees and/or radius). You could be traced back to your phone, computer, or car quite easily and some geek at the Service Provider's main office would know exactly where on I-90 you decided to click on "Debbie does Dallas 2000".

Nevermind, maybe I'll stick to my land lines. It'd be a great idea if businesses didn't exist to suck me dry...

Other Islands.. (2)

nolife (233813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162136)

It's working and spreading in Oahu also, for those who failed geography, thats the most populated island where Honolulu, Pearl Harbor and Waikiki are. Hurricane Internet [hi.net] is running it there [hi.net] . Great company that has been on the island for years. Linux is used anywhere possible throughout the business and they even freely supported the local LUG's mailing list and archives for years.

802.11 works ok as a LAN... (2)

SwedishChef (69313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162387)

because the packets are all carried locally so no one has to pay for the connectivity to the rest of the Internet. The article talks about cool things like live cams on beaches and as long as few people are interested in sending packets anywhere else, this free system will (mostly) work.

However, in my experience most users want 'Net access and from reading most posts on /. most users want lots of access for free. What this article barely touches on is who provides the connectivity to the mainland or Asia? Who provides the IP space? Unless you NAT, the IP addresses for a large network like this might grow into would cost a lot of money. Who pays for the email server? For that matter, who pays for the $800 access points?

Do the people using this system expect the founder to maintain it forever for no money? What happens when he no longer can (or want to)?

DSL and other broadband companies are going bankrupt all over the country because they cannot afford to provide a t1 to every user for $35 a month and still pay for their outbound traffic and maintenance. How the hell will this completely free system support its infrastructure?

What we use (4, Informative)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162411)

We've got a wireless network set up in two small towns here. We just hooked up a guy about 6mi. outside of town. It look a 40ft. antenna, but I digress.

We use antennas and amplifiers from Fleeman Anderson & Bird Corp [fab-corp.com] .

We use antenna masts from Radio Shack [radioshack.com] .

We've found that the most reliable access points are Cisco Aironets, 340s or 350s. They can cost $1000-1500, though, so go with Linksys/SMC/Netgear if you're not that worried.

Also make sure you tie up cables on masts with something, like guy wire or metal cable ties, that doesn't disentigrate in a couple months. Always tape up the ends of the cables with electrical tape or use that rubbery stuff for protection from the weather.

And have fun!

Very interesting but Very difficult (2, Informative)

MrIcee (550834) | more than 12 years ago | (#3162460)

I live on the Big Island of Hawaii -- on the side of the volcano. This is both very exciting as well as very difficult to pull off.

The Big Island has 5 mountain ranges - two of which go up over 13,000 ft and separate the island in half. Furthermore, major portions of the island have no phone or power service - thus getting the signal to the entire island will be nearly impossible. (Even our cell phones only work in very selected areas of this island -- and when I used my cell phone from the top of Mauna Loa (13,400 ft) it was picked up by a cell tower on the NEXT ISLAND OVER - Maui).

But kudo's to him!! Anyone know how to get ahold of him? (I'll try today to find his contact info) --- I'll be more than happy to put an antenna at my house!

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