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Updated FreeBSD Release Schedule

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the for-the-world-at-large dept.

BSD 347

Serin K Medusa writes: "The folks over at FreeBSD.org have put up a new 'roadmap' detailing the plan of action for the remainder of the year. In particular, check out the plans for a 5.0 preview and expected dates for 4.6. Interesting reading if you're following -CURRENT."

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w00t (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174654)

Well, at least this is a worthy *BSD story.

Re:w00t (-1, Troll)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174697)

It's SLOP, I tell you! Complete SLOP!! Total SLOPPY, SLOPPY SLOP!!! So much SLOP it's SLOPPING all over the frontpage!!

Re:w00t (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174854)

I didn't slop a slopping slop about your sloopy slop.

Re:w00t (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174876)

If MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM says that he didn't slop a slopping slop about your sloopy slop, then, by gawd, that's the way it is.

Re:w00t (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174881)

*BSD stories are worthy. They unite the trolls.

Unua posto! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174655)

Esperanto estas bona lingo!

FreeBSD is Dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174662)

I thought FreeBSD is dying? Didn't they go bankrupt?

Re:FreeBSD is Dying (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174691)

FreeBSD is pure SLOP! Nothing but SLOP! Complete SLOP!!! Why does Slashdot think people would pay for this SLOP!? Why the hell do I keep coming here to read this SLOPPY SLOP!?!

Re:FreeBSD is Dying (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174763)

I think you have to a commercial interprise to go bankrupt. FreeBSD is a team of volunteers who have kept on plugging away in spite of the main sponsor, Walnut Creek, being sold. The commercial business WC CDROM went away but not FreeBSD, And it won't. Berkely unix at it's best. And of course, OpenBSD and NetBSD have similar business models and all will still be around when all the current Linux distros have dried up and blown away.

Re:FreeBSD is Dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174979)

Debian GNU/Linux is made up of a much larger team of volunteers than FreeBSD. They have kept on plugging away despite never having a main sponsor of any kind. How are the FreeBSD volunteers different from the Debian volunteers?

You sir, are an ass.

FreeBSD is Dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175043)

So, you just keep on developing a dead horse??! Well, keep on wasting your time.

Linux is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175086)

People are starting to realize that Linux
is nothing new and just reinventing BSD,
just not as good.

Re:FreeBSD is Dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175044)

Yes, FreeBSD has failed. I'm sorry that there is no way to put that delicately. Truth is sometimes a harsh master. *BSD is a failure.

So why now? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful *SD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

Slop! (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174680)

This is pure SLOP! Nothing but SLOP! Complete SLOP!!! Why do you think people would pay for this SLOP!? Why the hell do I keep coming here to read this SLOPPY SLOP!?!

-ing form (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174689)

Do you like the -ing forms?
Interesting reading if you're following -CURRENT.

Interesting reading ifing you'ring following -CURRENTing.

Robotroll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174710)

where did he go?
what happened to the troll library?

Re:Robotroll (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174716)

he's late ...

Re:Robotroll (-1)

RoboTroll (560160) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174735)

I have more fun trolling as an A/C because it makes the moderators waste their points moderating it down.

Anyway I am sure you recognize some of the trolls from the library posted here.

i like freeebsd (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174719)

free bsd is very coola but di thibnk that freebsd shodul be updated more often ok? it isnt updaterd very often loike it shoudl be instead it i allow for that? i dot think so but who nows. --frank s kind of liek debina potatoe instead sine edbian potrsa isnt updaedt verry often. is it possbile ot make afork of freebasd and then updade it more of tene/; i tink it would be a good thing. but does them bsd licencec

Re:i like freeebsd (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174780)

Why screw up the rock solid stability and great security just to put out a few more issues a year. If you want bleeding edge, pull your binaries off the daily builds and you can have updated to your heart's content.

Re:i like freeebsd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174809)

ahahahaha YHBT.

FreeBSD dies... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175053)

I think FreeBSD sucks badly! Installation over the internet does not work at all - half of the sites where you were supposed to be able to download it were dead. It heavily looks like FreeBSD is going to die.

Dirty Linux Hippies are Dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174720)

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Dirty GNU Hippie community when last month IDC confirmed that Rancid Smelling GNU Hippies account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all humans. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Natty haired greasy GNU Hippie have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Reeking Linux Hippies are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [sysadminmag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive /usr/bin/sh test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict the future of the Stinking sweaty Linux hippie. The hand writing is on the wall: Foul-stenched GNU hippies with swampy armpits face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for them because they are dying. Things are looking very bad for Hairy-backed GNU hippie. As many of us are already aware, they continue to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Troll leader Anonymouse Coward states that there are 7000 goatse.cx trolls. How many ascii art trolls are there? Let's see. The number of goatse.cx versus ascii art posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 ascii art trolls. Pimply-faced GNU hippies posts on $lashdot are about half of the volume of ascii art posts. Therefore there are about 700 Cock-Gobbling GNU Hippies. A recent article put "first post" at about 80 percent of the troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 "first post" trolls. This is consistent with the number of first posts.

All major surveys show that Putrid smelling greasy GNU hippies have steadily declined in market share. $lashdot is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Grubby Smelly Linux Hippies are to survive at all it will be among troll hobbyist dabblers. $lashdot continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Dirty GNU Hippies are dead.

FreeBSD is dying. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175080)

Well, FreeBSD seems to by dying. There is a major lack of support for modern devices.

^H^H^H^H BS^HD is ^HDEA^HD (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174727)

It was dying, then it died in january 2002! Its gravestone is sponsored by microsoft windows 2000!

So why are you trying to bring back the dead morons?

What makes it interesting? (-1, Troll)

Chexum (1498) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174731)

I see there is only a schedule, no technical content whatsoever. Oh wait, FreeBSD is on the Front Page! Drool, drool!

I'm thus enlightened.

Thanks FreeBSD team (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174732)

It's been a hectic year and a lot of confusion in the FreeBSD arena with the loss of Jordan and the selling off of Walnut Creek. Thanks to the team for staying focused. It is appreciated. For non-users, try FreeBSD if you have concerns about your favorite Linux distro being around. FreeBSD is for UNIX lovers. Linux is for those who hate microsoft. Join the Daemon Revolution.

Re:Thanks FreeBSD team (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174802)

whatever fag. You think only ms haters use linux? well then i guess only linux haters use freebsd. fag. cocksucking bsd troll.

Re:Thanks FreeBSD team (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174805)

fuck you, cocksucking MS HATER. eat that shithead! EAT IT! EAT IT! buwhaahahahahahahahahah

Re:Thanks FreeBSD team (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174864)

Now, he's right. Linux is only used by people who hate Microsoft. FreeBSD is for users who love UNIX.

FreeBSD is dying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175071)

From what I have seen a lot of people didn't like FreeBSD when they tried it. Most of them were disappointed because FreeBSD performed poorly.

Re:Thanks FreeBSD team (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175113)

Linux users don't use Linux because they hate Microsoft; they use it because they like Linux.

Re:Thanks FreeBSD team (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175117)

What do you mean, "the loss of Jordan"?

I thought he was still involved with the project, that he was still contributing to FreeBSD even if he is employed by Apple?

Did he say so explicitely, that he no longer works on FreeBSD? I don't remember seeing that.

Well planned release (5, Interesting)

lamj (153635) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174734)

It seems to me that FreeBSD is more well planned than Linux in terms of project management(This is not Linux bashing). When a development project gets bigger, it takes a lot more planning as a group effort than one man's decision, there maybe something for Linux development team to learn. I agree that it is hard to find the balance because most of us like Linux for some advanced new feature but there's got to be better planning and announcement system to let user know what to expect.
I would really appreciate if Linux kernel set stable checkpoint to indicate "This is a stable kernel" instead of 2.4 series trial and error approach.

Re:Well planned release (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174741)

That's because FreeBSD is a professional project. Linux is a hobbyist's toy, and will never be considered serious for business.

Re:Well planned release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175075)

will never be considered serious

Always avoid using absolutes.

Re:Well planned release (0, Troll)

Tairan (167707) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174770)

That's because Freebsd is a well designed, userfriendly structured operating system, built by professional coders. Linux is a piece of trash operating system thrown together using shitty spare parts built by code junkies who failed their comp sci classes. Not to mention bug ridden shoddy VM and tcp/ip stacks. All aside, FreeBSD makes a better system, but Linux markets better. Oh well, it won't be the first time a better OS has lost (think VMS)


Woops, I tink I just lost a karma point.

Re:Well planned release (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174781)

mod parent up

Re:Well planned release (3, Insightful)

ksb (517539) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174785)

Oh well, it won't be the first time a better OS has lost (think VMS)

I think this article should really show that it's certainly not time to write off Freebsd...

Re:Well planned release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174895)

So... you're saying BSD isn't dying?

Re:Well planned release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174887)

Yeah. Linux sure does market better. What, with all those billion dollar linux companies.
Unless by "Linux markets better" you mean their users don't believe that their penis length is tied somehow to their operating system.
Also, we'll ignore such factors as SMP and application support in the judgement of the relative quality of an operating system because all people care about is initscripts and C libraries.

Re:Well planned release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174896)

How about a good scheduler? Or a working VM subsystem? Some of us need systems that don't crash under heavy load, and Linux has proven its inability to keep up in the business world. It's sad, but true.

Re:Well planned release (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175027)

People say that the linux fags are annoying but I swear no one compares to the FreeBSD "If only they got the word out" FUCKHEADS. You fucking pieces of shit are worse than the 'Emacs vs Vi' fuckholes that used to infest Usenet in the old days.

Go fuck your sister.

Re:Well planned release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175091)

You've obviously never had a run in with the Amiga Persecution Complex (TM).

As annoying and stupid as the rabid FreeBSDers are, they can't even come close to the Amigans.

Re:Well planned release (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175111)

Thank you for yet again proving that the old saying:

"Linux is for people who hate MS, BSD is for people who love UNIX"

should really be amended to:

"Linux is for people who hate MS, BSD is for people who hate Linux"

I suppose we'll have to update it again once BSD gets popular enough that all the "counterculture" whiners who moved from Linux to BSD in 97-98 move on to something even more fringe.

Re:Well planned release (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174829)

Well, Linux is a kernel and FreeBSD is a whole OS. You should compare it to one of the distros.

Re:Well planned release (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174849)

Except that distributions don't develop anything, they just package the kernel and userland, none of which they created themselves. FreeBSD develops and packages all of these things. I'd say that puts them well above any Linux distro in terms of comparisons for completeness.

Re:Well planned release (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175105)

Not quite. Look at all the installers (Caldera's LIZARD, now used by Redmo^H^H^H^H^HLycoris, comes to mind), some of the startup code (again, the nice graphical startup used by Caldera comes to mind -- yes, I was that impressed with Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 when it came out), the kernel/KDE/etc. developpers they keep on staff, and so forth.

I think the distros do more than just slap a few disparate but complementary components togheter (sp?) . I think more credit is due to them, they have contributed more to the advancement of Linux than many would like to admit -- especially the commercial distros (sorry Debian).

Your assessment could have been valid a few years ago, but no longer.

Re:Well planned release (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174835)

I switched from FreeBSD back to RedHat, because of things like iptables, transparent proxying, etc. I'm sure some of these things can be done in FreeBSD too, but some packages are still "broke" because of the way that FreeBSD is. (For example, the SMBD package doesn't work as a domain controller because you can't have a dollar sign in a user name in freebsd. There is no smbclient or smbmount, so you can't even think of doing that.) It's a pretty good and fast operating system, but I've switched back to the more popular one for more features and support.

Re:Well planned release (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174855)

Wow, now THAT'S what I call a troll.

Re:Well planned release (0, Flamebait)

HMC CS Major (540987) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174857)

you are dumb. First, IPFW and IPFilter make linux's Iptables look as sad as they are.

Secondly, packages typically arent "broken", they're disabled because of security holes (you still want to install them???).

Furthermore, you obviously know nothing about samba on freebsd:



[2:55pm] me (~) # uname -a
FreeBSD myhostname.edu 4.5-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p1 #0: Fri Mar 1 15:09:01 GMT 2002 jeff@myhostname.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/MACHINENA ME_4_5 i386
[2:55pm] me (~) # which smbclient
/usr/local/bin/smbclient


Re:Well planned release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175073)

My FreeBSD machine is a Samba PDC... yes, with usernames with $ signs in them.

Re:Well planned release (2, Interesting)

mrmag00 (200868) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175085)

umm... I (used) to run a samba PDC on freebsd, never have ran into a broken package (security problem? thats an issue with the maintainer and is intentionally 'broken'), and have smbclient and can mount smb shares fine (the program isn't called smbmount, but it converts SMB to NFS and is mounted as an NFS share. Can find easily if you look in the ports.)

Re:Well planned release (2)

Teferi (16171) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175123)

useradd doesn't let you create usernames with $s, but you can run vipw and add it afterwards.
It does making running a PDC annoying - can't create machine trust accounts on the fly with stock useradd, but you could just hack the tool up to remove the limitation.

Re:Well planned release (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174862)

Please, the correct term is "GNU/Linux". Show a little respect for the authors of the majority of the system.

In fact I don't know why we shouldn't be calling it "GNU/FreeBSD" also.

Re:Well planned release (0)

someonehasmyname (465543) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175115)

Because FreeBSD uses a different liscence than the GPL. They use the BSD liscsnce. It's basically the same, but more flexible for developers. You can use their work, compile it, and distribute it without source and make money off it. Hence OSX.

Re:Well planned release (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174986)

Isn't that the point of the whole thing? If you want what you described, you use BSD, and if you want the features of Linux, you use GNU/Linux.

This isn't meant in any disparaging manner, but usually when people say things like "I like what we have for the most part, but if only this part of it was like what they have over there" it means that there's a tradeoff that creates both the greater whole that they like and also that one particular difference. Usually.

Re:Well planned release (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175031)

It is anyone's guess whether this vaporware will see light of day. Overall, *BSD has had a dismal track record. To speak plainly, *BSD is a failure. Why don't we ponder that for a minute.

So why now? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

Re:Well planned release (0)

someonehasmyname (465543) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175106)

Uhh.. yeah. what you said. Hotmail's mail servers run FreeBSD, Yahoo! uses FreeBSD on over 4000 servers... Hell, apache.org is even running on FreeBSD. Even the Apache people are smart enough to run THEIR own webserver on a "real unix"

FreeBSD is dying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175058)

More planned?? When do you plan to implement most of the major drivers for devices?? FreeBSD is currently useless piece of...

just run FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175076)

Why bother to replicate the FreeBSD success
in Linux? Just run FreeBSD.

Re:Well planned release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175083)

can the freebsd kernel even handle gcc3? Linux can!

Re:Well planned release (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175121)

It is anybody's guess whether this vaporware will see light of day. Overall, *BSD has had a dismal track record. To speak plainly, *BSD is a failure. Why don't w ponder that for a minute.

So why now? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problmatic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

Happy ST. PATRICKS Day !!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174755)

An Irishman is nothing but a Nigger turned inside out

Looks cool (1, Redundant)

ksb (517539) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174774)

I've never used *BSD, but this looks like an excellent and organised approach to an already well renouned product.

I'm almost certain a few peeps here will turn this article into a Linux/BSD flame pit, but I just think it's great that there are options available for us coming from such strong and seemingly well organised groups of developers.

Re:Looks cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174908)

Don't you mean "reknowned"?

Re:Looks cool (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174965)

organization is what gnu-shit needs the most right now

Re:Looks cool (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175001)

It is interesting to look at *BSD a learn from its failure.

So why now? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

Re:Looks cool (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175070)

BSD still dead, eh?

Thanks for the heads up.

Doesn't look good and performs poorly (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175090)

Yeah, just run a decent benchmark. No device support and poor performance. Forget the dead horse.

Note the date for Developer Preview 1 (2, Funny)

Soft (266615) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174794)

Action:FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview 1
Expected:1 Apr 2002
Description:A full release for the i386, Alpha, and sparc64 architectures.

Prerelease planned for April 1st? Hmmm...

Re:Note the date for Developer Preview 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175084)

Not a joke. -CURRENT just exited code slush for the creation of a -DP1 branch in perforce for this preview release.

Heres what you need! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174800)

Because bsd is dead ;) [howtodelet...ws2000.org]

5.0 is a pretty big change. (5, Informative)

jon_c (100593) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174814)

in case anyone cares the goals for 5.0 are:

SMPng - fully threaded, preemptable and re-entrant kernel with interrupt handlers running as threads. More than one CPU can run in the kernel simultaneously.

devfs - fully dynamic device creation and tear-down (for things like PCCARD and USB).

Geom - stackable disk model (http://www.freebsd.org/~phk/Geom)

Newcard - New PCCARD/CARDBUS subsystem with much better support for newer hardware (like CARDBUS) and integration with FreeBSD's newbus driver API.

gcc 3.0 - Upgrade to latest compiler technology

source [bsdtoday.com]

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (1)

Chexum (1498) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174837)

Now, that's much better than the simple links about schedule dates... I always hated pre-announcements, that's so Microsoftish...

Developer Preview 1 is quite soon, possibly in two weeks, but with 5.0 planned at the end of November... that's quite some time for good stuff.

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (2)

__past__ (542467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174885)

Does anybody know something about the planned integration of TrustedBSD [trustedbsd.org] features?

I remember that 5.0 was meant to use some of their stuff. Will this be done? If so, which features?

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175015)

The question we should be asking is ``why did *BSD fail?'' It is patently obvious that *BSD is what can honestly be described as a failure. Think about that for a minute.

So why now? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175040)

someone mod this fucker down

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (0)

someonehasmyname (465543) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175099)

Actually, thanks to Apple, there's more BSD desktops now than there are Linux desktops.

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175122)

Gawd save us from stupid BSDers who really think that Mac OSX is really a BSD system.

They take some of your code (I stress, some since most of the code is not fucking BSD anyway)... relicense it under their own bullshit semi-open license... and suddenly you want to suck their cock.

Yes... YES... YEEEEEEESSS Apple will save us from Linux. Slurp, slurp. You fucking corporate whore.

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175081)

Yes, 5.0 seems to be a significant change. Now, what I'm curious to know -- sorry if this is OT -- is: will the FreeBSD code used by Apple in Darwin/MacOS X be sync'ed with FB5.x???

Furthermore, and, er, "reversely" (can I say that?) will some of the stuff that Apple has been working on (integration of FreeBSD over the micro-kernel who's name I forget, something to do with drivers, etc.) be integrated back into FreeBSD?

With Jason Hubbard now working at Apple and with the *nix underpinnings of MacOS X (IOW: Darwin), how much cross-polination will occur?

Re:5.0 is a pretty big change. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175097)

really? so far i've seen no mention of gcc3 in the mailing list.

Wind River and FreeBSD 6.0? (1)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175110)


I read that Wind River will be contributing more features back to the FreeBSD community. According to an article I read (Wind River announces product rollout plans for future BSD/OS releases [bsdtoday.com] ), FreeBSD 6.0 will be based on be based on Wind River's VxWorks microkernel.

My Experience with Windows! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174843)

My Experience With Windows/b>
I am a long-time Linux user and avid fan of GNU products, but I decided to try Windows to see what the hype is all about.

The long and short of it is that Windows sucks. It is basically unusable in its current state. I mean, who needs 8 half-working text editors? vi beats them all anyway, hands down.

Luckily I was running a vmware session so I just killed the session and the pain was over.

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My Experience with Heterosexuality (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16, @03:12PM (#3174178)
My Experience with Heterosexuality

I am a long-time Homosexual user and avid fan of Homosexual products (like dildos), but I decided to try Heterosexuality to see what the hype is all about.

The long penis and short penis of it is that Heterosexuality sucks. It is basically unpleasurable in its current state. I mean, who needs 8 half-working female vaginas? Ass beats them all anyway, dick up.

Luckily I was sucking a guy's cock so I just killed the session and the pain was back.

Anyone who has read Brooks' "The Mythical Man-Month" will tell you that more coders != more productivity. Not always, anyway. And I think that this especially applies to open source projects where coders are often doing their work in different countries, if not different continents. I'm sure the openoffice team spends a hell of a lot of time just getting together and planning stuff, integrating everyone's code, etc. During this time the core KOffice developers can be banging away at the keyboard writing more code.

So it's not hopeless, even the smallest coder can change the course of the future :)
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Re:there's still hope (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16, @03:55PM (#3174345)
Anyone who has read Brooks' "The Mythical Man-Penis" will tell you that more penises != more semen. Not always, anyway. And I think that this especially applies to open source orgys where fags are often sucking their penis in different countries, if not different continents. I'm sure the openpenis team spends a hell of a lot of time just getting together and sucking penis, shoving their penises up each other's asses, etc. During this time the core KPenis developers can be banging away at their penis making more semen.

So it's not hopeless, even the smallest penis can change the course of the future :)

XFree86 4.2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174882)

Will they get XF86 4.2.0 for thew 4.6 release ?

It is not present in current ports, and the binaries from xfree86.org core dumps on 4.5 (and I can't get it to compile/install from sources...)

Re:XFree86 4.2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174903)

4.2.0 IS included in the current ports, it's a meta-port such that it is easier to upgrade as components instead of downloading a single X410.tar.gz. Go do some reading, okay?

Re:XFree86 4.2.0 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174914)

... and this is why trailer-park trash should be forcibly sterilized before the age of their first menstrual cycle.

"Yo mama" - now THAT's saying something. It's
the "Yo daddy" that gets most Abner's depressed. Who the hell can tell, after all?

Re:XFree86 4.2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174935)

ports updated 2 hours ago from a mirror

x11-servers/XFree86-4-Server is version 4.1.0

Seriously, can you enlighten me ? (I already lost a dozen of hours trying to get my f*** i830m to work with fbsd...)

Re:XFree86 4.2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175096)

4.2 was pulled out of ports in favor of 4.1 for the FreeBSD 4.5 release. XFree 4.2 will re-enter the ports tree Real Soon Now, and certainly well before 4.6.

so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174916)

when do they plan on going to a sane init scheme, like /etc/init.d?

Re:so... (1)

prog-guru (129751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3174974)

You can drop a script into /usr/local/etc/rc.d, but the base system will probably still use the current system.

I wish /etc/rc just did things necessary to boot (mount disks, bring up network) then allow the user
to start daemons from /etc/rc.local.

Some might not think init.d is very sane, but it can do anything.

Re:so... (1)

Matty_ (74368) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175000)

You mean the SysV way of doing it?

They are more likely to adopt NetBSD's new rc.d system, which retains a BSD-likeness.

*BSD is dying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3174984)

It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Re:*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175046)

+1 Informative.

Re:*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175120)

+5 insightful

FreeBSD=developing a dead horse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175038)

Yeah, exactly that. You few guys just wanna develop a dead horse. Our company did a major benchmark and FreeBSD performed poorly.

worst troll ever (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#3175060)

I mean come on at least put in a fake url or something.

*BSD is dying (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175079)

Netcraft has now confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dying

freebsd is amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3175095)

i like how people complane about freebsd releases as if you can't upgrade anything from 4.5 till 4.6 comes out. cvsup your src and build you lazy bastard. freebsd is not dying *BSD is not dying. specially since everyone is using bsd's code :)
i love freebsd and i love how linux is finally getting at the point to nip at the heels of freebsd after being so cowardess for so long. i am not surprised at the fact there's a bunch of people here spewing shit about something they've never used.
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