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Mandrake, SuSE Ready New Releases

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the nation-of-i830m-chipsets-awaits dept.

Linux 234

Anthony Boyd writes: "At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th. And of course, SuSE Linux 8.0 is going to be released in mid-April. Features for SuSE appear to include KDE 3.0 and a whole lot of games. Features for Mandrake appear to be a super small install and, well, stability. Sounds great to me."

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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176076)

The last time i had sexual intercourse was...
  1. Sexual intercourse? Is that an open sorez project?
  2. Last night, and my ass is killing me!
  3. I jerked my junk to Natalie Portman in Episode I an hour ago.
  4. John Katz ass-raped [goatse.cx] me when I was 10, and now I just want to fuck goats.

VERY GOOD SURVEY AND I SHALL ANSWER (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176080)

1)I will only support SEX if it is open source. The only sex I can get, however, is available by subscription, for $300/hour.

Re:VERY GOOD SURVEY AND I SHALL ANSWER (-1, Offtopic)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176105)

Man, are you getting ripped off!

a). Go to the sleaziest part of town
b). Find the oldest, fattest, ugliest hooker you can find (not hard really)
c). Offer her $10 for 'the works' [note - you'll need to pay an extra $2 for her to take her teeth out, and another $5 to put a paper bag on her head.]

All up - only $22 !!

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Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176130)

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October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176234)

Why did you post that link?!

Why do you hate us all so much?!

and just when I was getting used to red hat.. (1)

bastard01 (532616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176082)

I guess I will have to give mandrake another try.. last time I tried a kernel upgrade it didn't like me too much, although I think that was more my fault than theirs... Well, good thing I don't actually keep stuff that I use long term only on one partition, since the new versions come out in two days, although with their current financial situation, I think I will buy 8.2 instead of my usual download

Re:and just when I was getting used to red hat.. (1)

red5 (51324) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176121)

I know what you mean.
I used SuSE until 7.0 wouldn't boot on my system. The Nvida drivers did not work with my Mobo. I guess now would be a good time to switch back. Don't like redhat all that much.

Oh really? (2)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176158)

Suse wouldnt boot? Or you couldnt boot Suse?

Re:Oh really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176249)

Hey HanzoSan - As a Power User, aren't you supposed to be pulling your pud to some Divxes right now instead of flaming Linux users?

Re:and just when I was getting used to red hat.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176230)

Where might I buy a copy in New Zealand? Do mandrake have a resellers list with when they'll have this copy?

Re:and just when I was getting used to red hat.. (1)

iamplasma (189832) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176298)

I'm not too sure about that, but if your main desire is just to support Mandrake, and have a credit card, you could get a one year subscription to the Mandrake Club for probably about the same price ($60US, so about $120NZ, for a year's subscription). That gets you a small set of benefits, but most of all supports Mandrake.

I'm ready to widen! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176083)

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.used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt 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.enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you .don't .have .enough .charaters .per .line .that .really .sucks .when .that .happens .and .you .have .to .put .some .lame .lameness .filter .defeater .text .in .there .i .wonder .how .many .people .will .read .this .whole .comment .I .certainly .hope .it .doesnt .annoy .too .many .people .This .is .just .the .beginning .because .PAGE .WIDENING .IS .BACK .I .like .wide .pages .I .wish .all .pages .could .be .as .wide .as .this .dont .you .wide .pages .are .much .cooler .than .those .narrow .pages .you .are .used .to .reading .because .you .dont .have .to .worry .about .the .lameness .filter .telling .you .that .you

Re:I'm ready to widen! (-1)

Pi3.142 (538027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176106)

Just out of curiosity.!! Who is at fault here ? Is it the slashcode ? or the IE browser ? I couldn't make out what it meant - until I saw this page in IE.!!

Re:I'm ready to widen! (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176116)

IE has a unique feature. You are likely. I WANT WIDE PAGES TOO! It seems the wizards who made Konqueror do not want me to have wide pages.

Re:I'm ready to widen! (2)

BlueUnderwear (73957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176289)

It seems the wizards who made Konqueror do not want me to have wide pages.

Neither do those that made netscape communicator. Nor mozilla. Or of any other web browser (n.b.: exploder is not a browser...). I think that should settle the question "who's at fault".

Re:I'm ready to widen! (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176307)

It is all the weirdos who are not employed by Microsoft. They should stop listening to the W3C. Microsoft owns the browser market and should own the future of the web. THE FREE MARKET HAS SPOKEN!

United States Anthrax Program (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176085)

A Newsnight investigation raised the possibility that there was a secret CIA project to investigate methods of sending anthrax through the mail which went madly out of control.

The shocking assertion is that a key member of the covert operation may have removed, refined and eventually posted weapons-grade anthrax which killed five people.

In the wake of Sept 11th, the anthrax attacks caused panic throughout the States and around the world. But has the FBI found the whole case too hot to handle? Our science editor Susan Watts reported from Washington.

SUSAN WATTS:
America's anthrax attack last autumn was second only to that on the Twin Towers in the degree of shock and anxiety it caused...Some even say the anthrax letters triggered sub-clinical hysteria in the American people...yet this, the first major act of biological terrorism the world has seen remains an unsolved crime...

Initially the investigation looked for a possible Al-Qaeda or Iraqi link, then to a domestic terrorist, then inwards to the US bio-defence programme itself. But in the last four or five weeks the investigation seems to have run into the sand...There have been several theories as to why ...

Three weeks ago Dr Barbara Rosenberg - an acknowledged authority on US bio-defence - claimed the FBI is dragging its feet because an arrest would be embarrassing to the US authorities. Tonight on Newsnight, she goes further...suggesting there could have been a secret CIA field project to test the practicalities of sending anthrax through the mail - whose top scientist went badly off the rails...

DR BARBARA ROSENBERG:
FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTISTS:
Some very expert field person would have been given this job and it would have been left to him to decide exactly how to carry it out. The result might have been a project gone badly awry if he decided to use it for his own purposes and target the media and the senate for his own motives as not intended by the govt project...but this is a possibility that I think needs to be considered

WATTS:
And another leading bio-defence analyst has already sketched out a similar profile for the kind of person likely to be behind the anthrax attacks...

MILTON LEITENBERG:
CENTRE FOR INTERNATIONAL & SECURITY STUDIES:
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND:
I would think it was somebody who had this kind of experience, and I think the word that I used for you was 'a cowboy' when we first spoke, that simply means in the United States someone who feels such bravura in his actions, he feels he's a free actor, he can decide what should be done and what shouldn't be done, and what the reason is.

WATTS:
In recent weeks, the focus of the investigation has been the US army medical research institute at Fort Detrick near Washington. Fort Detrick is the site at the centre of a web of military centres spread across the US and twilight private companies which work with these military sites hand- in-hand as contractors...

Colonel David Franz was in charge at Fort Detrick for eleven years - he's had hands-on experience with biological agents and has his own ideas about the kind of person the FBI should be looking for.

COLONEL DAVID FRANZ:
FORMER DETRICK MEDICAL RESEARCH PROG, 1987-98:
It's not someone who just got on the Internet or went to the library and got a book and held the book in one hand and a big wooden spoon in the other and stirred up batches. It's someone who has spent a significant amount of time I believe working with a spore former of some kind and knew how to grow ...and how to purify and how to dry

WATTS:
Inside accounts by former staff at Fort Detrick during the nineties reveal a research site in disarray with questionable security measures. We spoke to one former lab technician now working in Belize about unexplained night-time activities in the lab.

DR MARY BETH DOWNS:
ST MATTHEW'S UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE:
FORMER FORT DETRICK EMPLOYEE:
I came in developed my negatives and here they said anthrax and I looked at this little counter that would have been putting the sequential numbers on the film and there weren't any films missing and yet I knew that Friday I had used it and it hadn't said anthrax.

WATTS:
What did that suggest to you had been happening over the weekend?

DOWNS:
That someone had been in there working on anthrax....Anyone who did have access to the labs was not monitored in what they did, either in what they did in the lab that is the amount of agent they were growing, or in what they did with that agent, that is if they put it in their pocket and took it home ...

WATTS:
Such is the FBI's determination to establish if Fort Detrick is at the heart of this that it has turned to genomic analysis of the powder itself...The Inst for Genomic Research was founded by Craig Venter - the man who sped up the decoding of the Human Genome... their anthrax team has created a DNA "fingerprint" of anthrax taken from the body of the first person to be killed - a Florida-based newspaper man. They're looking for differences between this so-called Florida "strain" and stored samples from a number of US military sites

This is the first time genomic analysis has been used for microbial forensics...Tim Read is one of the world's leading authorities on the genetic make-up of anthrax . He compared the fingerprint of the Florida strain with that of samples originating at Fort Detrick. The results are not yet published - so he's being careful what he says:

DR TIMOTHY READ:

THE INSTITUTE OF GENOMIC RESEARCH:
They're definitely related to each other ...closely related to each other

WATTS:
Could they be so closely related that one could consider them to be one and the same thing?

READ:
I'm not commenting on that...

WATTS:
But the real answer may lie not just in where the anthrax came from, but who had access to it. Veterans of the 1960s US germ warfare programme were the obvious first thought. Early on in the investigation, there was one name that immediately came to many people, but few dared whisper it aloud. William Capers Patrick the third was part of the original US programme, which officially drew to a close in the 1960s...The New York Times claimed last December he was the author in 1998 of a secret paper study on the possible effects of anthrax sent through the mail, although he now denies that. ...

We went to see Bill Patrick to ask him if he might know the culprit...

Hello Susan Watts BBC

Patrick is an acknowledged showman...known for his startling demonstrations ...some in less than classified company. During the course of our interview he told us several pieces of technical information which one expert said could help anyone intending to create an anthrax weapon.

WILLIAM CAPERS PATRICK III:
BIOLOGICAL WARFARE CONSULTANT:
I've prepared two harmless simulant powders... beautiful flow properties...

WATTS:
It's clear from what Bill Patrick told us that he's been a central figure in the bio-defence community for many years and that he may well have met or come across the person behind the attacks...

PATRICK:
Most of my discussions about the biological problem has been in secure conferences and meetings, and involve people with need to know, with security clearance and what have you. I don't talk about 'how to', I don't get into 'how to' with many people, no people other than the fact that those who really have a need to know.

WATTS:
Does it nag at you in the back of your mind that possibly you do know him?

PATRICK:
Possibly, possibly, I could have talked to these people. But it would have been within the context of their having a need to know.

WATTS:
He told me two FBI agents and an official from the attorney general's office interviewed him for 3 and a half hours two weeks ago. He says they told him he had been a suspect, but left him believing he was in the clear.

And just to put on record can I ask you did you perpetrate these attacks..

PATRICK:
my goodness I did not ....I did not...I'm an American patriot.

WATTS:
Patrick was on the UN team that inspected Iraqi weapons facilities in the mid 1990s, and he WAS surprised the FBI didn't come to him straight after the attacks, simply because of his expertise. He acknowledges it was only logical to consider him a suspect, but for Patrick, the most likely explanation, or perhaps the most comfortable, is that the powder and the motive originated overseas - in some rogue state...

PATRICK:
I would hate to think that anyone in our country.. that would do this to our own people, if we ever find whoever does this I hope it comes from overseas, because that way I would.. well I don't want.. I want someone to be caught, I want the perpetrator to be caught, but I would rather think that it came from our enemies outside of our own country as opposed to our own people perpetrating this crime against our own

WATTS:
Bill Patrick is no longer seen as a suspect, but the net IS closing around someone at the heart of the US germ warfare programme.

We now know by piecing together information from well-placed sources that there's another individual. He's been interviewed by FBI agents, and remains under widespread suspicion...

But he's no loner. He's likely to have worked on a key government project in the past and to have a network of friends and colleagues he can rely on. The possibility that more than one person is involved may answer some of the perplexing geographical questions about where the attacks originated.

DR RONALD ATLAS:
AMERICAN SOCIETY OF MICROBIOLOGISTS:
I think that the significance of focussing on a group is that you can have one person with the expertise to produce this weaponised anthrax and someone else to actually deliver it to Trenton. I think that a large part of the investigation early on focused on AN individual. As such we would ask the question, could that individual have gotten to New Jersey. If you begin to think that it could have involved two or more, then the alibi of an individual that I was not near New Jersey may in fact fall apart and you could look at someone else delivering it...

WATTS:
The private contractor companies linked to the military and jokingly referred to as "beltway bandits" because they're sprinkled around the Washington beltway ring-road, is where individuals with the right mix of skills might be working. Some of these contractors are now known to have been involved in classified bio-defence projects. One of these secret projects, carried out in the Nevada desert, was part of a series of three In the first few days of September last year - immediately prior to the attacks of the 11th, the New York Times carried a major investigation which at any other time would have been a story of huge significance...It revealed three secret bio-defence projects at a time when the American people believed none was taking place. One - run by a contractor - Battelle - was to create genetically altered anthrax. The question now is - are there more such projects?

MILTON LEITENBERG:
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND:
now we've discovered that the CIA is in this business too, though presumably only through contractors. But we don't know how many contractors. One contractor is now publicly disclosed, Battelle, that did one of those projects. There may be other contractors, so there was this whole story has not been clarified publicly, so that's the rest of your iceberg, in other words we don't know how many contractors, we don't know how many projects.

WATTS:
The 1998 paper study on anthrax in the mail was one secret project. Dr Rosenberg is making the astonishing suggestion that there may have been a deadly follow-up by somebody else. Last time she questioned the investigation, she was attacked by the FBI and the White House. But she says she's prepared to speak out again because she's so afraid of what might happen next.

DR BARBARA ROSENBERG:
FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTISTS:
This person is.. knows a lot about forensic matters, knows exactly what he can be prosecuted for and what he can get away with and I think he had some personal matters that he might have wanted to settle but I think in addition that he felt that biodefence was being under-emphasised for some time in the past

WATTS:
Rosenberg's claims are astonishing but she's an insider with good contacts. She thinks the FBI must act soon.

ROSENBERG:
I think the time is rapidly coming when it will be very important to bring him to trial, even if they don't think they have sufficient evidence. This might at least, if not result in a criminal conviction, make it possible to bring civil charges somewhat like what happened to OJ Simpson in the past. So I think it's time to start moving because it's very important from the point of view of deterrence of any possible future terrorist.

WATTS:
America's desire to protect its biodefense programme from scrutiny at all costs was part of why it walked away from an international agreement to control biological weapons last summer. Could its near obsessive secrecy have come home to roost? breeding a climate that allowed one of its experts to take a step too far and turn bio-terrorist against his own?

THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT WAS READ OUT AFTER THE BROADCAST : The CIA have told Newsnight they totally reject Dr Rosenberg's theory and say they were unaware of ANY project to assess the impact of anthrax sent through the mail.

This transcript was produced from the teletext subtitles that are generated live for Newsnight. It has been checked against the programme as broadcast, however Newsnight can accept no responsibility for any factual inaccuracies. We will be happy to correct serious errors.

Excerpted from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/audiovideo/progr ammes/newsnight/archive/newsid_1873000/1873368.stm

Mandrake 8.2 (1, Informative)

mauryisland (130029) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176088)

Several folks where I work have been testing the Mandrake 8.2 beta releases, and they're uniformly reporting that things are much better than 8.1 release. Personally, I'd rather buy a Mandrake box than go the donation route, but either way, you should be getting great value for your money.

Mandrake makes less money that way (2, Interesting)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176161)



Buying the box means mandrake makes less money
if all you want is a free manual and a nice looking box, maybe you can find a printer

Re:Mandrake makes less money that way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176244)

Then why don't they raise the price? Any company resorting to begging when they have a product to sell is rather sad.

Look at RedHat. They're selling free shit for $200 or even for $2200. That's at least honorable.

Re:Mandrake makes less money that way (3, Interesting)

aminorex (141494) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176253)

In the near-term, yes. But if the distributors
don't see demand for the boxes, they won't put
them on the shelves. If they aren't on the shelves,
Mandrake loses potential new customers.

On the other hand, if retail sales aren't doing the
trick now, why should they ever? If they can't
we're all better off with a pledge-drive model just
like PBS.

Re:Mandrake is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176172)

Weren't these the guys who just said they were dying? Or was that SUSE?

Re:Mandrake is dying (-1, Flamebait)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176235)

BSD is dying. Get it right.

Re:Mandrake 8.2 (0)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176245)

I hope so.

My Mandrake 8.1 installation has now lost the default "fixed" font for no apparent reason. An installation straight out of box, no upgrades (yet) and on a third boot gdm won't start because a "fixed" font is missing. If I comment "Unix:/-1" out of XF86Config-4, X starts but fonts and fucked up.

Re:Mandrake 8.2 (2)

LinuxGeek8 (184023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176271)

My Mandrake 8.1 installation has now lost the default "fixed" font for no apparent reason.

I guess your xfs service is not running.
Try turning xfs on inside drakconf, that should give you your fonts back.
Xfs is a fontserver which is listening on port 7100 i believe.

Re:Mandrake 8.2 (0)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176285)

Nope.

Xfs was running all right. Exactly the same thing has happened now twice and I have no idea what's going on. It's definitely not filesystem corruption.

I buy from Wal-Mart (2)

extrasolar (28341) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176301)

I don't have a credit card and I don't have a CD burner so I just buy from WalMart. Its actually conveniant that way. I get quality Free Software for like twenty bucks. Otherwise I would probably waste that money on five milk shakes in the course of a week.

Does it help Mandrake? I don't know what their situation is. I buy software because I like it.

Strange idea, isn't it?

Speaking of games... (2, Interesting)

Ricky M. Waite (544756) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176090)

Kinda offtopic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux. I've been playing LBreakout2 [sf.net] non-stop, but other than that (and of course Q2), I've yet to find any nice games that I like.

This isn't a troll or anything, I'm genuinely wondering if anyone has suggestions.

Re:Speaking of games... (1, Informative)

lastninja (237588) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176144)

try one of the candidates from no starch press sdl game development contest [nostarch.com]

OT: Other Linux games... (2, Informative)

antdude (79039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176155)

Ricky, have you checked these two Web sites yet?

Linux Games [linuxgames.com]
The Linux Game Tone [happypenguin.org]

Re:Speaking of games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176162)

Besides actual linux games, you can also use emulators to play a huge number of games - e.g., Zsnes

Re:Speaking of games... (1)

SilentStrike (547628) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176178)

A couple of my favorites are http://gltron.sourceforge.net/ The author of gltron is a really nice guy.. he even implemented a feature that I asked for over IRC. and ClanBomber, which has motivated me to try to create my own Bomberman implementation. http://www.happypenguin.org/show?ClanBomber

Re:Speaking of games... (4, Informative)

JPriest (547211) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176225)

Mandrake has a Gaming Edition [mandrakesoft.com] for about 70$ + S&H that comes with the sims and a 90 day subscribtion to Transgaming [transgaming.com] I'd buy it but I'm waiting on 8.2. There is also a version of Counter Strike [counter-strike.net] ported to linux.

Re:Speaking of games... (1)

dutchdabomb (248104) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176258)

From your link:

Description: This is the full v1.3 linux port. Only linux server admins need download it. Please note that in order to use this file correctly you must first have the latest Half-Life HLDS Linux Port as a base.

This is the dedicated server program so that you can host games. Many games offer the server side software to Linux, but few are available for client so that you can actually play the game.

Re:Speaking of games... (1)

hereward_Cooper (520836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176287)

You can actually get CS running through wine/winex -- i have, to my complete amazement!
I forget the website -- go google for it.

Re:Speaking of games... (1)

iamplasma (189832) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176305)

It's http://lhl.linuxgames.com and I can personally testify HL works great, I play it online through linux all the time. Of course it's about 30% slower by my estimate, but for most people with decent hardware that should be fine.

Re:Speaking of games... (1)

buserror (115301) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176397)

I'm also waiting on 8.2. Strangely, I wanted to buy a 'club' membership as well as preorder 8.2, but they don't take pre-orders.
And I'm not going to buy a fourth copy of 8.1 (one x86 for the office, one for me, and a ppc one for me too)

I emailed them about it, and it went down the bit bucket... So... I didn't order anything after all.

Re:Speaking of games... (2)

LinuxGeek8 (184023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176273)

Xkobo is a funny game. It is included in most distributions, at least Mandrake and Debian.
Around level 30 I have to use -cheat mode though, to be able to get any further.

Re:Speaking of games... (2)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176279)

I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux.

The one I'm enjoying right now is called Adonthell [happypenguin.org] (which is actually just the engine, the "episode" I'm playing is called Waste's Edge). What's nice is that the game is in the tradition of Zelda, FF, and such -- RPG, kinda -- but not so lengthy. Supposedly Waste's Edge can be finished in a night, although it'll take me 4 or 5, cause I'm slow.

DirectX 8 implementation on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176326)

The good news is that Transgaming (www.transgaming.com) is porting Direct X 8 to Linux. That project is called WineX. They have already got it partially working - native windows version of MAX PAYNE (the number one hit game) already works under Linux!

Mandrake 8.2 ships with frozen-bubble (2)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176392)

I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux.

Frozen-bubble was written by Guillaume Cottenceau (spelling of that is almost certainly wrong), one of the Mandrake developers, and is surprisingly addictive. It's kind of like Snood, if you've played that.

fuck dat (-1)

j0nkatz (315168) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176097)

When is the next Windows version gonna be out?!?!?!? I mean I really want to do real work instead of tinkering with some Swedish piece of shit OS.

Re:fuck dat (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176111)

Sweden sucks. Fuck göteborg(gothenburg)!

Newsflash: no one cares! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176098)

They both still suck, and GNU/Itsucks is deader than *BSD. Hey, faggots, what's with the HP ads in the middle of the story text? Even if you popped-up ads like a pr0n site, you still have a nonexistant business model, and will be out on the street giving blowjobs for quarters as soon as Larry Augustin's rich dad realizes that he's a failure and stops burning VC in the garbage-fire that is VA Linux^H^H^H^H^HSoftware^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HFuckingbank rupt. To quote Nelson, "ha, ha!" Eighth post!

the Games! (-1, Flamebait)

Technosteve! (532508) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176099)

maybe in the next version they can get PONG working at 100%.

Slackware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176101)

anyone know whats up with slack? when is there going to be a new version?

Re:Slackware (1)

ghostdancer (72944) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176112)

Well, check their changlog, you should know what they are doing now.

Ready... go (1)

m4g02 (541882) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176102)

Im getting my new p4 system ready, i just trow to the trash my winmodem and got a new shiny one (56k crap anyway :\), so im ready to take off... It will be nice to start with new Mandrake and KDE3.

By the way, you are the experts, whats your experience with nvidia video cards on linux?, i have a geforce3.

Re:Ready... go (2, Informative)

mauryisland (130029) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176114)

I've had no trouble at all with Nvidia cards, though don't use them if you're only intrested in open source drivers.

I always download the source rpm's (I'm running a Redhat 7.2 box with a nonstandard Redhat kernel), run the command 'rpm --rebuild NVIDIA*.rpm' against them, and then install the new rpm's in the usual manner. They work great, but I don't a Windows box to compare them with.

Re:Ready... go (1)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176115)

My Geforce II titanium works great with the NVIDIA drivers. I don't care what the zealots think. They're closed source and they work great.

Re: nvidia on linux (1)

mentin (202456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176137)

I have problem with GeForce 2 with View Sonic LCD monitor (connected with DVI input). Installed Mandrake 8.0, it even listed my monitor in settings. But it obviusly could not sync to my monitor. I did not even think DVI can have sync problem, after all it is DIGITAL! NVidia drivers did not help either. After spending a day I fixed this by removing XConfig-4, and tweaking old config file. Tried installing Mandrake 8.1 later - still not good.
So now I type this on XP, sorry.

But if you have non-LCD monitor, you should be safe.

Re:Ready... go (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176308)

Your nvidia card should work out-of-the-box with the new Mandrake - it is fine with 8.1, any resolution you like on my Sony Trinitron screen.

If you rebuild your kernel, though, remember you have to build support in - I think it's under framebuffer device support...

Re:Ready... go (2)

nusuth (520833) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176381)

Then you have to wait until next (probably 9.0) release. mdk8.2 has KDE 2.2.2, not 3

My feelings about MandrakeSoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176107)

I've reached a point where I feel the need to express my disappointment with MandrakeSoft. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. I used a phrase a few moments ago. I referred to MandrakeSoft's factotums as "nettlesome shysters." You ought to memorize that phrase, because, frankly, if history follows its course, it should be evident that we must understand that we're all in this mess together. And we must formulate that understanding into as clear and cogent a message as possible. MandrakeSoft has been trying for some time to convince people that a richly evocative description of a problem automatically implies the correct solution to that problem. Don't believe its hype! MandrakeSoft has just been offering that line as a means to consign most of us to the role of its servants or slaves.

I don't normally want to expose anyone to rigorous sarcasm, satire and disdain, but MandrakeSoft deserves it. I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that MandrakeSoft is up to, the more shocking things, things like how it wants to weaken family ties. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but if you don't think that the final product of its blanket statements will be a dysfunctional society, wherein every natural self-defense mechanism has been short-circuited in some grotty effort to gain short-term financial benefits, then think again. Even though MandrakeSoft presents a public face that avoids overt paternalism, the space remaining in this letter will not suffice even to enumerate the ways in which it has tried to silence critical debate and squelch creative brainstorming.

MandrakeSoft is reluctant to resolve problems. It always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that it ignores the most basic ground rule of debate. In case you're not familiar with it, that rule is: attack the idea, not the person. Granted, MandrakeSoft clings to deconstructionism like a drowning man clings to a life preserver. But MandrakeSoft believes that it is a perpetual victim of injustice. Sorry, but I have to call foul on that one. Be forewarned: MandrakeSoft pompously claims that everything it says is thoroughly and entirely true. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Lastly, phallocentrism is classically a hodgepodge of ventures crafted for mass appeal.

Re:My feelings about MandrakeSoft (1)

m4g02 (541882) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176120)

It still is the easier diestro for starters, its still free, still give they source away, still ask for help to the community and help the community, i dont think its evil on any way... Of course it has some errors but its the perfect linux desktop, if you want a server or a 99.99% runtime system then install OpenBSD, Mandrake is a great step on friendly linux.

Re:My feelings about MandrakeSoft (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176150)

get right to the point. This is a problem long overdue for debate. For openers, Mandrakesoft's most progressive idea is to understate the negative impact of pauperism. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. Implying that the kids on the playground are happy to surrender to the school bully is no different from implying that if Mandrakesoft kicks us in the teeth, we'll then lick its toes and beg for another kick. Both statements are ludicrous. These issues are actually political issues. That proves that the picture I am presenting need not be confined to Mandrakesoft's memoranda. It applies to everything it says and does.

Mandrakesoft has two imperatives. The first is to establish tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion. The second imperative is to supply the chains that bind the individual to notions of self-loathing and unworthiness. I attribute the social and psychological problems of modern society to the fact that as long as the beer keeps flowing and the paychecks keep coming, Mandrakesoft's thralls don't really care that if you've read this far, then you probably either agree with me or are on the way to agreeing with me. The following theorem may therefore be established as an eternally valid truth: I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that Mandrakesoft is up to, the more shocking things, things like how it wants to abandon the idea of universal principles and focus illegitimately on the particular. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but this is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact. Of perhaps even more concern is that if you've never seen Mandrakesoft slander those who are most systematically undervalued, underpaid, underemployed, underfinanced, underinsured, underrated, and otherwise underserved and undermined as undeserving and underclass, you're either incredibly unobservant or are concealing the truth from yourself.

Mandrakesoft would have us believe that blasphemous utopians should be given absolute authority to restructure the social, political, and economic relationships throughout the entire society, yet corporatism is the modern analogue of slavery. This sort of vertiginous paradox is well known to most pesky segregationists. For your edification, I should point out that if Mandrakesoft feels ridiculed by all the attention my letters are bringing it, then that's just too darn bad. Its arrogance has brought this upon itself. Never mind that Mandrakesoft's rantings represent explicitly its overly accepting attitude towards the worst classes of arrogant election-year also-rans I've ever seen. What's really important is that I am not trying to save the world -- I gave up that pursuit a long time ago. But I am trying to speak out against what I call slaphappy Neanderthals. In closing, all that I ask is that you join me to stop Mandrakesoft and report as best as possible the facts and circumstances surrounding Mandrakesoft's logorrheic, mischievous ideas.

I've been TROLLED! (1)

BadlandZ (1725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176193)

Genghis Troll wrote " get right to the point. This is a problem long overdue for debate.....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....

&*(&$*(!&#@*!(#!@ Get to your frigging point! point to the exact things MandrakeSoft did, dates, specifics.

All you have done is rant about "how evil they are" and to justify you say "because they did bad stuff." Yet you don't define evil, or what bad stuff is...

This is a TOTAL TROLL. Redeem yourself, POST SOME ACTUAL INFORMATION rather than your ranting opinions. PLEASE. Or your will fall into an all time looser troll catagory.

Re:I've been TROLLED! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176256)

If you study hard, maybe you can pass the Turing Test on the second try.

Re:My feelings about MandrakeSoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176224)

Let me guess, your the guy that wrote the Micro$oft EULA?

Re:My feelings about MandrakeSoft (-1, Funny)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176122)

Never before have so many words meant so little.

WTF are you talking about??? (1, Flamebait)

BadlandZ (1725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176181)

GET TO SOME POINT. PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE. (sorry, my cap lock is not stuck, I am yelling!).

WTF are you talking about. If your accusations are true, please provide simple, clear, examples without the longwinded rant.

What did they do? Give Dates, Give Details, and reserve your long winded opinions...... Let us judge them on the evidence. If what you say is true, SHOW US!!!

Re:WTF are you talking about??? (1)

mrscorpio (265337) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176260)

Um, I believe you were just trolled by the automatic complaint letter generator at http://hugin.sigusr1.org/~pakin/complaint .

But I could be wrong.

Chris

Re:My feelings about MandrakeSoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176220)

Nice trolling. But ripping off an editorial about Shania Twain?

Mandrake on the 18th? (1)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176110)

I don't know about that. I thought they were getting another Release Candidate ready because there were a few known bugs in RC1.

wow (5, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176138)

At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th.

Glad slashdot got the scoop before the Washington Post or the New York Times.

I'm trying to be funny sarcastic, not mean sarcastic, so nobody get too upset.

I can see announcing new releases, though I think slashdot goes overboard on that, but announcing RUMORS of a possible release? I mean, you'd think people were waiting for the new mandrake like it was a necessary transplant organ...

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176174)

it is a trnsplant to my defective Windows Crapiculus organ.
Time to divert the blood (read: money) to people who deserve it more than MicroBlows.

Re:wow (4, Informative)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176183)

I can see announcing new releases, though I think slashdot goes overboard on that, but announcing RUMORS of a possible release?

Well, after I submitted the story, I kept hunting around for more info, and found what is probably the origin of the Mandrake 8.2 rumor: a mailing list post by someone at Mandrake. I'm not on the mailing list, but I did find a Usenet discussion about it at Google [google.com] . I guess the rumor probably has some validity, so Slashdot's probably right on the money at this point. Although, to be honest, I kinda hope it isn't released on Monday -- that Usenet discussion and a few others I've read make it clear that while this release is solid, it's getting rushed out the door, probably because of money issues.

Hey Mandrake, if you really need money coming in, take pre-orders and spend an extra week to kill off a few extra bugs. I'll buy it & take a charge to my card now, but just deliver on the stability rumor. I'll pay for stability.

mmm 8.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176141)

Just placed my order for 8.0.
I've been using it since 6.2 and its been solid.

I love it because it contains EVERYTHING.
No need to go looking for an RPM (using rpmfind.net), its all on the CDs (or DVD)

:)

the key thing with suse, as with any install is to turn off the junk you dont need.

How about PPC? (2, Interesting)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176147)

I hope they aren't also claiming that the PowerPC release is ready... I tried it recently, and while promising, it has some show-stopper bugs.

Can anyone confirm/deny that it will be a later release? I have high hopes for using it as the daily OS on my iBook.

Re:How about PPC? (1, Funny)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176173)

I can confirm there is a UNIX-like operating system for your architecture that has no "showstopper bugs," a coherent GUI, and support from major commercial software developers.

Unlike Mandrake and Suse, the vendor who provides this software is in excellent financial health, and its main focus is your architecture. Here's a link to more information [apple.com] .

Re:How about PPC? (1)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176186)

I'm sorry you have the "-1, bitchslap" because that's actually pretty funny. You're right we don't have to worry about Apple going anywhere...

I even agree with your point about OS X being far more polished. However, the big problem is that it runs like a slug (and I have 640 MB RAM!). Linux runs FAR faster, even when you add in KDE or Gnome, and since it does everything I need with a default install (browser, IM, newsgroups, email, word processor, MP3 player), I'm highly interested in seeing the PPC variants of Linux succeed.

PPC, Alpha, [346]86 versions of Mandrake 8.2 (4, Informative)

leonbrooks (8043) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176398)

I hope they aren't also claiming that the PowerPC release is ready... I tried it recently, and while promising, it has some show-stopper bugs.

It's not. It went into beta some weeks after the x86 version. I guess they're planning an 8.2-for-Alpha as well, since there is currently an Alpha Cooker around.

If you want a version `optimised' for 386, 486, P3, P4 or Athlon, one of the things Mandrake carefully checked during this Cooker cycle was that Athlon optimisations worked properly, when selected. There is also a new package, rpm-rebuild, which will rebuild the entire distribution from source in one go.

They also timed the release rather well, fielding and dealing with the PHP, OpenSSH and zlib bugs in the 11th hour. It should be one of their best releases, BoC I'm no prophet: only time will tell.

Fast and Easy... (4, Interesting)

guamman (527778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176148)

The best feature about Mandrake 8.1 is that it took about half the time to install as Windows 2000 and was probably the easiest install for linux. This may not seem like much for computer geeks (the slashdot crowd), but it is vital for getting linux on more personal desktops. If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft. I can only hope that Mandrake 8.2 continues the trend of the other Mandrakes before it.

Re:Fast and Easy... (4, Interesting)

mir (106753) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176194)

I have tried all of Mandrake 8.2 beta and they look pretty good, and extremely easy to install. A couple of days after the ssh bug was found the patched version was included in RC1 and I expect a zlib-bug free version for the official 8.2. This itself makes it a good reason to upgrade (along with the fact that it detected my wireless card nearly-flawlessly on my laptop).

Re:Fast and Easy... (3, Funny)

krogoth (134320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176247)

Wrong. Mandrake making an easier installer won't save Linux (but then that's only because it's not in trouble in the first place). It doesn't need to compete with Microsoft; it only needs to attract enough developers to continue advancing, and I see no sign that Microsoft, or even the 10 biggest commercial distributions disapearing (I doubt anything could destroy Debian, any more than anything could destroy Linux) would prevent that.

Re:Fast and Easy... (3, Funny)

extrasolar (28341) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176292)

If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft.

You almost sound serious about that statement. Mandrake Inc may not survive but they've given power of the software to you and anyone else who uses it by distributing and writing Free Software*. The Operating System is Free. It has no choice but to survive.

* My regards to the former users of BeOS, may he rest in peace

What about Red Hat? (2)

antdude (79039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176151)

Are there any status reports on Red Hat releases like a beta?

Re:What about Red Hat? (1)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176160)

Information on Red Hat's current betas are here [redhat.com] .

Re:What about Red Hat? (2)

antdude (79039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176313)

Thanks 56ker, too bad there's no new information. It is still showing Rosewell. :)

How Sad...I guess that's what "RC" means... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176165)

OK, two qualifications. 1, I have ran Linux at home for over 4 years now. 2, these are Laptops I'm talking about.

But $#$!@#@!%, With Mandrake Running and configured, for X (GeForce2Go 32M), and 802.11b (internal Dell which is Orinoco based, plus PCMCIA Orinico Gold and Linksys WCP11 cards) I was happy. Running fine on my Dell Inspiron 8100 (1GHz, 20G, 512M RAM) and my Dell Inspiron 4100 (1.2GHz, 40G, 512M RAM). Happy dual boot camper.

So, I download Mandrake 8.2 RC 1. Burn the 3 CD's. Install. Install CRASHES on one, I recover (not an idiot, I know how to recover). Overwrote X configs and drivers (drivers are easy, any Linux Kernel change requires a recompile of the .src.rpm from Nvidia, I expected that), but rewrite my XF86Config??? Change my /etc/modules.conf? HELLO? WTF? Is this 1994 Linux?

Then, PCMCIA is TOTALLY non-functional. Of both laptops, it took me about 4 hours before I could get ONE of the PCMCIA wireless cards to work again. Not sure what the hell is going on here, but the Mandrake-User-Forum (now that I look too late) mentions Mandrake FUXERED UP the PCMCIA thing on RC1 even thought beta3 was even working ok.

Bottom Line. When upgrading your Linux distribution causes users ANY problems, is a day Linux takes another step backwards from being "end user friendly" and "mainstream" and "a desktop alternitive."

I have no doubt in my mind, Linux _IS_ more powerful at the core than MS products. But, if it can't be packaged and installed well, it just won't ever matter.

Re:How Sad...I guess that's what "RC" means... (2, Insightful)

squidinkcalligraphy (558677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176195)

I guess the thing to remember is: if it works, don't fsck with it.ask urself if the upgrade is really worth it? sure, security upgrade are damn important, but otherwise, its often better to stick with what u'v tweaked to work properly and wait for a _major_ new release to upgrade (unless, of course, ur running debian, where upgrades are easy and painless)

Re:How Sad...I guess that's what "RC" means... (1)

Pussy Is Money (527357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176197)

This is just how Linux works. The froddy Mandrugs and SuXe distro's may have managed to hide this fact from users because most of them were first time users anyway. Mandrugs and SuXe will have to come to terms with the rigor required to support their installed base. The underlying fragility of the Linux system lies ever more exposed.

Re:How Sad...I guess that's what "RC" means... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176309)

> The froddy Mandrugs and SuXe distro's may have managed to hide this fact from users because most of them were first time users anyway.

Umm; I've been a unix user for about 10 years now, and currently hopelessly in love with SuSE. Last five years i've mostly spent writing low-level c/C++ for quite a few unix like systems (Solaris, Free/NetBSD, Linux). Reason for getting stuck with SuSE mostly is it's quality, which by all means (top-down) is excellent. By far best i've ever seen in linux world, but on the other hand it's still far from being perfect. It just is the next best thing after sex that i could find.

^MOD THIS UP!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176205)

Can you read?

Why now? (1)

Tyreth (523822) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176168)

Why can't Mandrake wait another month for a release so it can include both KDE 3 and GNOME 2? Good thing about having a recent distro for me is it means less software to upgrade after a fresh install, but Mandrake 8.2 looks old before it's even out (Evolution 1.01, Apache 1.3.22, etc). True, a lot of the time it doesn't matter, but the bleeding edge is one reason why I enjoy Mandrake.

Re:Why now? (2)

foonf (447461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176202)

Why can't Mandrake wait another month for a release so it can include both KDE 3 and GNOME 2?


I don't think you'll see any distribution (except maybe some of those crazy expert-oriented, source-based distributions I've been hearing about) using either of those by default so soon after release. Meanwhile my friend claims kde 3 beta is alread available through "cooker", if you really want it fast you will probably be able to get it.

Re:Why now? (3, Informative)

xcomputer_man (513295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176226)

There is a reason why MandrakeSoft chose not to wait for KDE 3 and GNOME 2: stability. One of the primary reasons why Mandrake 8.2 is being released is to provide a more mature, refined and stable distribution than its immediate predecessors. And I'll say it does pretty well at that. Bleeding edge software like KDE 3 and GNOME 2 that will most certainly have a couple of significant bugs at their initial release will wait until the next major version number change, most likely (perhaps you want to wait for Mandrake 9.0 instead).

Re:Why now? (1)

IronDragon (74186) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176243)

KDE3 is "pretty good" at the moment, but gnome2 will need more than a month to get fully cleaned up. KDE3 isnt vastly different from KDE2, aside from being a bit faster, better fonts, and having a few more features. Most of the work between KDE2 and KDE3 was porting the codebase to the new QT3 library.

I think that leaving it at KDE2.2 and Gnome 1.4 is a wise choice for now.

Re:Why now? (2, Informative)

timerider (14785) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176265)

Yea, especially when you consider the fact that producing a CD from master to 'ready-to-sell' packages does take time.

One folk at one of the suse mailing lists once mentioned the fact that the cd producer they use needs roughly one month for that. Based on the assumption that they still use the same CD fab, this would mean that the 'kde3' they claim to use as default desktop in Suse8 will in fact be either kde3 beta2, or some spurious CVS snapshot. The gnome they put in suse8 is rc2.

Now is that a good idea? I don't think so, especially in the light of this previous article [slashdot.org] .

I normally are not a SuSE basher, but I won't touch that 8.0 with barbequeue thongs...

Re:Why now? (5, Interesting)

LinuxGeek8 (184023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176291)

A lot of applications that run on kde2 are not yet ported to kde3. It is nice to have a newer release of kde, but the major improvements are maybe just a better khtml and kjs, and maybe it is a bit faster.
But you want to run your applications too.

I believe you cannot run kde2 and kde3 apps at the same time. Here it complained that dcopserver was already running, and after killing kde2 processes kde3 apps woud start.

But if you want kde3, you have to wait for the final release of kde3. It will then be packaged for Mandrake 8.2 and I believe also for 8.0 and 8.1, and it will be available as a download.

For Gnome2; I do not know much about it, but it might still be a release for developers. And most gnome developers will run gnome from cvs I assume. Most gnome apps run fine on Gnome 1.4

Linux is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176171)

Nostradamous says these distributions will soon announce they are dead and everyone should run Red Hat.

Mandrake Complaint (0)

korruptDOTcom (558100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176204)

I use mandrake 8.1 as a server. It's done everything I've needed and has been plenty stable. My only company is installing anything with mandrake is a real.... It doesnt ever include anything you need to install stuff, Installing one minor thing includes 30 other things to install before it. With things like Slackware and RedHat I've never had such a hassle..

Are Suse and Mandrake redundant? (2)

big.ears (136789) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176288)

I have never tried Suse, and only installed Mandrake once on a laptop in hopes of getting it to recognize a pcmcia card (it didn't), so maybe I'm not making much sense here, but it seems to me that these two distros are battling each other for the "European KDE-leaning user-friendlyish financially-faltering" distro. Wouldn't closer collaboration on their parts be beneficial, to avoid redundancies in installers/configurators/packages/etc? I know their packaging schemes are different, and they probably have minor differences in their file system organization, but they may be able to achieve fairly substantial cost savings by cooperating more and each distributing their own "branded" versions.

switching to Mandrake? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176290)

I currently run Red Flag Linux. Should I switch
over to Mandrake or SUSE? Actually, my friend
keeps telling me FreeBSD is superior. Maybe
I'll just run what my friend is running.

versions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176296)

They (and esp. SUSE) are wasting version numbers just like Windows-Software is doing for years.
As they jump from 7.X to 8, there must have been great changes (hear me laugh?).
I think you should go on with versions like they do; SUSE is doing this to make people think they are better/... than RH or any Distro with lower numbers.
:-((

bloody snatch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176329)

Any ladies here like to get eaten out during their period? Bloody snatch tastes best. The texture is like chunky spaghetti sauce, I slurp it down.

Count me in...maybe (1)

joeler (45203) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176334)

I have been using SuSE since 5.3 and I guess I will buy this upgrade as well, better to have everything on my hard drive then need to download many upgrades over a dial up. I usually copythe SuSE distro cds to my hard drive and have everything available every time I use YaST.Yast2 doesn't like the installation from hard drive but YaST has no problems with it. However, I do want to see what packages have been updated, I guess one of these days I should start with a clean install rather than just upgrade.

Re:Count me in...maybe (2, Informative)

MobyTurbo (537363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176353)

I usually copy the SuSE distro cds to my hard drive and have everything available every time I use YaST.Yast2 doesn't like the installation from hard drive but YaST has no problems with it.
One of the new features of SuSE 8.0 will be that rather than maintaining two installers, YAST2 will be the only installer - though it's text mode will be much improved for administration tasks over ssh and the like. You might want to take this into consideration before copying 7 CDs worth of RPMs to your hard drive only to find that YaST2 doesn't like it. :-) (Or maybe it's time that you bought a DVD-ROM drive; SuSE Linux Pro comes with one DVD-ROM with everything on it this removes the hassle of swapping CDs which might be the reason for your doing this.)

Mandrake 8.2 release date confirmed... (4, Informative)

LiteForce (102751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3176355)

Provided there are no showstoppers!

List: mandrake-cooker
Subject: [Cooker] 8.2
From: Warly <warly@mandrakesoft.com>
Date: 2002-03-15 18:07:56
[Download message RAW]

I am in the process of building the final 8.2 isos.

These isos will be tested this week-end, and released on Monday if OK.

As a consequence if you find some free minutes this week-end and test all the uploads that have been done today, and report any regression, that would be quite a great help.

--
Warly

The original can be found here [theaimsgroup.com] .

Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3176378)

I really recommend Mandrake for anyone who's new to
GNU/Linux and want's to use it as their desktop OS, although I've now replaced my two boxes with OpenBSD 3.0 and Debian Woody, I still love Mandrake, IMHO it
has to be the distro that's easiest to install, easiest to use and configure, and it's very focused on desktop use, it's the perfect distro for anyone who's just starting out with GNU/Linux, aswell as an experienced user.
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