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Self-Heating Can

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the cup-o-soup dept.

Technology 294

nickprecision writes "Ontro has been working for a while, and they are about ready to get to the public market. Quite a nifty little self-heating can... imagine the uses. Read up so you know about it when your friends pull one out on the ski hill."

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294 comments

Slashcode's HTML vs. Microsoft HTML (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199229)

Introduction

Recently there has been some controversy over Slashdot's apparent disregard for browsers other than Konqueror or Netscape (*cough* IE *cough) ability to render the page, and some unfortunate crapfloods which would appear differently in different browsers.

The "editors" (I use the term loosely) of Slashdot appear to believe that Slashcode generates perfect HTML which any browser should render correctly, else the browser must be "buggy".

Slashcode's HTML Output

Just curious, I tried running the front page of Slashdot through the W3 validator [w3.org] to test this claim. The results were shocking.

Lets stick to the facts and drill down into the numbers. The W3 validator found HUNDREDS of errors on the very first page of Slashdot that you view every day. It terminated with the simple line Sorry, this document does not validate as HTML 3.2..

So, what is broken? Is it IE? Or is it the amateur garage-style open source code which is at fault? You be the judge. [w3.org]

Apparently, Slashcode follows the open source coding and testing ethic of "it worked for me". It's just too much to ask them to try to test their code for conformance and compliance, or even just try it on a variety of platforms.

Microsoft's HTML Output

Still curious, I tried running msn.com and microsoft.com through the validator. I was totally taken aback when the validator reported ZERO ERRORS in *either* of these pages.

Conculsion

1. It may benefit the coders to attempt to adapt to some kind of acceptable process for designing, writing, and testing their own code. Perhaps some professional experience would be beneficial here. Certainly an accountability for certain quality standards must be implemented.

2. Perhaps Slashdot should consider switching to IIS 5.0 or .NET server and rewriting their code using a stable, reliable platform like Visual C++ or .NET. Perhaps only then will the browser compatbility issues will be resolved.

These are just suggestions. I am here to help.

Re:Slashcode's HTML vs. Microsoft HTML (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199345)

In case anyone is taken in by this troll - Microsoft's site actually returns a "fatal error" in the validator - there are "no errors" because the validator doesn't even work on the site!

self heating can ? (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199232)

can what ???

BTW if you mean a can of bier, why would you want it to be warm ?

Are you those English Schweins (Amerikaners schlaffen noch and nobody else would decently accept to taste some canned beer) ?

And, of course, moderators smell like beered vomit, especially the 3 ones that modded me up yesterday.

Re:self heating can ? (0)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199310)

can what ???
no, its a "CAN DO" attitude
Sheesh.. doesn't anyone read those management memo's anymore!

CANDO ? (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199344)

Is it some aikido/judo derivate ?

BTW who modded you up ?
You are at 0, now, shame on you !

Re:CANDO ? (-1, Troll)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199377)

CANDO - is the ancient Taliban method of self defence.

Basically, when attacked, they quickly eat 5 curries, drop their pants and spray shit all over their attackers - its very unwholesome, and yet, not much different to when they preach shit out of their mouths...

Who modded me up? Fuck knows - but I cant seem to get anywhere near a first post these days, so I guess I haven't been losing much karma - maybe I should say ALL MODERATORS CAN SUCK MY ARSE HAIRS more often - yeh, that should do it!!

they've be at it since 98 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199234)

I worked on one of their early sites. The can does seem like a nice thing to have on camping trips and other places where you can't light up a big fire to heat stuff up. The military I believe was interested in.

3rd Post (-1, Troll)

Azza (35304) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199235)

Bitch!

Slashdot requires you to wait 20 seconds between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment.

It's been 16 seconds since you hit 'reply'!

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Re:3rd Post (-1, Offtopic)

Azza (35304) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199246)

Fuck! Fourth! Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment. It's been 1 minute since you last successfully posted a comment If this error seems to be incorrect, please provide the following in your report to SourceForge.net: Browser type User ID/Nickname or AC What steps caused this error Whether or not you know your ISP to be using a proxy or some sort of service that gives you an IP that others are using simultaneously. How many posts to this form you successfully submitted during the day * Please choose 'formkeys' for the category! Thank you.

Re:3rd Post (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199255)

4th dipshit.

they trademarked two words. nice. (4, Interesting)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199236)

"anytime, anywhere"

and they trademarked it. am i the only one who thinks that this is stupid?

Re:they trademarked two words. nice. (1)

DA-MAN (17442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199291)

Well the good news is that if they ever try to sue anyone for trademark infringement, they'll definately lose the trademark. Ala AOL and their "You've Got Mail".

Taxi Driver (3, Funny)

hitchhacker (122525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199296)

How about some prior art from "Taxi Driver":

Cab Dispatcher: Can you drive to the Bronx? Manhattan?
DeNiro: Anytime. Anywhere.

Cab Dispatcher: Do you work on Jewish holidays?
DeNiro: Anytime. Anywhere.

Cab dispatcher: How's your driving record? Clean?
DeNiro: Clean. Just like my conscience.


-metric -- you talkin to me?

Re:Taxi Driver (1)

DA-MAN (17442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199328)

Prior art is for patents. The ambiguousness (sp?) of the trademark is what will get it revoked later should they attempt to take anyone to court over it.

Re:they trademarked two words. nice. (2)

tcr (39109) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199351)

and they trademarked it. am i the only one who thinks that this is stupid?

Absolutely.....

Sounds a little close to that old Martini [google.co.uk] ad!

FIRST POST (-1, Troll)

Andorion (526481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199237)

First time ever =) Sorry, had to.

Re:FIRST POST (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199242)

WOW, fast moderation, not just fast posting =) I failed, but I will get a real first post one day =)

Karma, what karma?

Mod this down, bitches =(

-Andorion

Good to see /. is Dying. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199238)

Just Like VA and Linux!

404 File Not Found
The requested URL (articles/02/03/21/0158213.shtml?tid=126) was not found.

If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org.

What's new about this? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199241)

Self-heating cans were in use by the military during WWII!

Re:What's new about this? (-1)

Sarcasm_Orgasm (535390) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199329)

Informative? Mod this down! If you ignorant mods/AC's would've read the damn article you'd know that these are Self-Heating cans for the masses! You'll note during WWII you could not go buy one at the hardware store.

havent these been around for a while? (0)

corniche (207397) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199245)

at least, ive got a nescafe [nescafe.com] self heating beverage. useful, but theres a core in the middle so you dont get a full container of coffeeeeeeeeee

hey michael ! (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199247)

you should got to sleep, ya know, if you want I can replace you and post seriously interesting stories about "how genetical engineering allows exo-digestion" [goatse.cx] .

BTW, as your name is Michael Sims, do you perceive any royalties from Microprose ?

Already In Europe (5, Informative)

Dave500 (107484) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199248)

Just a sidenote - in Europe (well - London) Nestle already sell similar cans of self heating coffee. Works quite well - shame about the taste of whats in the can though. I can't remember the reactants - but the oxidser is diluted hyrogen preoxide.

RTFA (-1, Flamebait)

Golias (176380) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199277)

Clearly neither you, nor the dumb-assed moderaters who modded you up, nor the other dumb-asses who posted the exact same thing as you, nor the dumb-asses who modded them up, bothered to follow the link.

If you had, you would have seen:

"While on a trip overseas in the early 1990s, Ontro's founders, Jim Scudder and Jim Berntsen, came upon an interesting product ... a beverage container that would heat its contents without the benefit of external energy sources (microwave, heating element, etc.). They soon found similar products in other parts of the world, but all had two very significant problems."

Followed by information about what makes their product different.

All of you should be modded into oblivion as redundant. Have a nice day, Karma whores.

Re:RTFA (5, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199313)

Clearly neither you, nor the dumb-assed moderaters who modded you up, nor the other dumb-asses who posted the exact same thing as you, nor the dumb-asses who modded them up, bothered to follow the link.

If you had, you would have seen:

"While on a trip overseas in the early 1990s, Ontro's founders, Jim Scudder and Jim Berntsen, came upon an interesting product ... a beverage container that would heat its contents without the benefit of external energy sources (microwave, heating element, etc.). They soon found similar products in other parts of the world, but all had two very significant problems."

Followed by information about what makes their product different.


This is what is known as promoting your product. What do you think they would say? Our product is exactly the same as the others? It's more expensive?

There is nothing revolutionary about this product. It works in pretty much the same way as the products available in Europe and other places.

Don't be so critical of other posters and moderators. People might think you're a dumbass yourself.

Re:RTFA (4, Informative)

GilesP (100019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199357)

As someone who did read the web site, I can say that the product they have produced, is virtually identical to the nescafe coffee cans other posters have mentioned.

According to the Ontro web site, they got the idea from similar products released in the early 1990s. Those ealry products had flaws, such a bulkiness, which Ontro wished to overcome.

Admitedly those early products (at least those released in the UK - there was a spate of self heating and self-cooling products released on a trial basis in the early 90s) did suffer from the flaws the Ontro founders identified. However, the product currently available from Nescafe, is a complete redesign of those early ideas, and has overcome the flaws in a very similar way to the Ontro product.

Ontro state that their product is 16oz in size, holding 10oz of beverage, and that it heats up within 5 minutes after pressing a button on the base, and stays warm for around 20 minutes.

The nescafe self-heating coffees are more or less the same size, stay warm for the same length of time, and heat up in around 3 minutes.

Nescafe and Ontro have produced solutions to the same problem, and ended up with very similar products.

I think that you should consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, some of the people who posted about the Nescafe products in the UK, actually did read the Ontro web site, and were commenting on the fact that the current UK product is virtually identical to the Ontro product and has been available for some time now, but is a different product to those available in the early nineties.

Personally I wish Ontro every success, as I would love to see the technology become more widespread (and cheaper), and I doubt that Nestle will take their product much further.

The one flaw that still remains (IMO), is the weight of the cans. They always feel as though there is some drink left, despite being empty.

Re:Already In Europe (3, Interesting)

psychofox (92356) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199308)

The other problem with it is the amount of coffee you actually get. The Nescafe product comes in what looks like a regular 330ml coke can size package. However, it only only holds ~200 ml of coffee. The other ~100ml being taken up by the heating mechanism.

Its interesting that they also sell two variants. One can with sugar and one without. Both come with milk.

I actually think it tastes quite nice!

Re:Already In Europe (2, Informative)

psychofox (92356) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199316)

A good review is here: http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/review/353792.html

No need to cut and paste (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199353)

Here's a clickable link: http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/review/353792.html [go.com]

Re:Already In Europe (1)

MikeDX (560598) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199343)

The nescafé coffee you speak of has been around for a while, and tastes absolutely disgusting. It claims to be sugar free but tastes like syrup. Another problem is that you don't get a full can, and cost way too much (more than a train coffee in some case), so I won't be buying those again in a hurry.

Reactants (1)

morie (227571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199356)

Those reactants would be CaO and water, forming Ca(OH)2. You push a buton on the bottom of the can, which punctures the membrane between the CaO and the water. Then you shake the can and ge waht yopu payed for: reheated cold coffee, tasting like... reheated cold coffee

Re:Reactants (2)

morie (227571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199373)

I see this is also the mechanism described here. The one above was for the nestle-cans.

Since it is patented, is this the company supplying Nestle with these cans or are there two manufacturers of these? and how could there be

Re:Already In Europe (1)

ty_kramer (262524) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199359)

You can read about the Nestle can here [soton.ac.uk] .

Already out in the UK.. (1, Redundant)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199249)

Do you guys not have this yet in the USA? The Nescafe coffee company have release self heating cans over here.

Quite heavy, and have some kind of chemical chamber in the middle of the can. You turn it upside down, press a button in the middle, and shake untill the button pops back out. Wait for 3 minutes, and open the can - hey presto, hot coffee. And whilst it doesnt taste *amazing*, its still quite drinkable if you want a hot drink.

Pretty expensive too though..

yeh but ... (2)

streetlawyer (169828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199276)

UKians shouldn't be too smug; this product has been available in Japan (where foul sweet milky coffee is more popular) for donkeys' years

Re:Already out in the UK.. (1)

codework (252361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199284)

The red thermo liquid tastes more like coffee than the coffee does, and keeps you awake for longer. ;-p
I wonder what the possibilities are for hacking the can though? I quite fancy one with a cooked breakfast in it.

.j

Re:Already out in the UK.. (2)

daeley (126313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199286)

I'm not surprised. This is not a flame (nor a self-heating post, for that matter), but what I experienced of coffee in the UK... let's just say I stuck to tea while I was there -- the tea was tasty, thankfully. And I had a capuccino as soon as I landed in France, so I felt better. :)

Already in UK (0, Redundant)

davecl (233127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199250)

A form of self heating can has been on sale in the UK for a while. Its from Nescafe, Nestle's instant coffee brand. It looks like a normal drinks can, but about 1/3 of the 330ml is taken up by the heating device. I've not tried it myself, but am told that its at least passable. It comes as white coffee only, with or without sugar. Quite why there's no black I don't know.

Re:Already in UK (1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199273)

If the coffee were black, it would've been easier to spot the escaping Hydrogen Peroxide from the heating element.

Everyone has to have their self-heating coffee blonde. Uh, I mean white.

Re:Already in UK (1)

wangi (16741) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199283)

has been on sale in the UK for a while

Really? Is this just a London/SE thing? I've not seen it around up in Edinburgh...

Re:Already in UK (0)

LouisXIX (518487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199317)

...nor in Southampton. I'm guessing its strictly a London thing :(

Re:Already in UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199393)

Gor bless ya Meary Porpins!

I've never seen it in London either.

Re:Already in UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199320)

I saw it in Manchester (borderline "Up North" UK) months ago and Dublin (not even UK!) even earlier. (They were doing product trials in Dublin).

Re:Already in UK (1)

ambrosen (176977) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199390)

You can get it in John Menzies in Waverley station

I saw one of these at the weekend (5, Informative)

Cyberdyne (104305) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199251)

Quite neat really: a cup of coffee (two versions: white, and white+sugar), with a little capsule on the bottom. Press the button (filled with red gel), wait a couple of minutes, then drink!

It looked like a nice idea, but I didn't try it - mainly because of the price: £1.30 IIRC, which is about $2. It seems a bit much IMHO for a normal cup of takeaway coffee, even if it does have a neat self-heating function! Good for camping trips, perhaps, but not in the roadside service station where they were selling it: you can buy normal fresh coffee for the same price and get a seat and newspaper to go with it...

Re:I saw one of these at the weekend (2)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199280)

Also, they are made by the evil Nestlé corporation, so I won't touch them with a barge pole.

Re:I saw one of these at the weekend (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199365)

Nestle are not that evil...

Monsanto *are*, kro$oft are "wannabe-evil", most american multinational companies are, maybe except IBM since they only vampirize companies ;-)

Max Havelaar are however much more liekable than any of the above.

Oh, and I forgot, "willing to moderate" *is evil, you damn mini-zobies who want to feel powerful by downvoting what you disagree with.

Re:I saw one of these at the weekend (1)

fallacy (302261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199376)

I agree that they're expensive (cost me something like £1.50 at Heathrow), but as with everything, the price should fall.

I bought one at Heathrow in November: I was flying to Australia and had a 2 hour stop off in Singapore. I prefer hot drinks to cold ones and knew that I'd want one during the stop off. So why didn't I just buy a coffee in Singapore airport?

Three reasons:
1. Being a first time flyer (and a bad planner), I didn't know that Singapore airport accepted British Pounds or Aussie dollars, and I forgot to get some Singapore dosh before leaving.
2. I don't actually like "real" coffee, which is what the airport coffee places invariably sell. I actually prefer the bog-standard Nescafe (don't even like the Gold Blend stuff).
3. The geek inside couldn't resist this new-fangled-heat-me-up-in-a-couple-of-minutes can ;-)

It was ideal - I knew the sort of taste I would get, and it wouldn't be cold by the time I got to Simgapore.

I tell ya though: I'd recommend looking into the can *after* you've drunk the coffee. The appearance of the created solid substance from the reaction almost put me off it at first!

It's been done before... (1)

Gavin Rogers (301715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199252)

Just do a search on google for 'self heating can' - I came up with this link with a bit of quick history and chemistry on self-heating coffee sold by Nestle:

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~chemweb/index.htm?http:/ /w ww.soton.ac.uk/~chemweb/news/stories/coffee.htm

already in use? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199257)

coffee junky says nestle already do as self-heating can to sell coffee in the uk (in decaff and caff flavours)

Already Out There (1)

OnePlanet (567962) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199259)

I don't mean to pick but this hardly seems like news. Cans like these have been on the shelves in London for at least 2 months that I've seen (Nescafe coffee in a can I think). So what happened to the /. bleeding edge?

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199260)

I know MRE's (The goop fed to our soldiers) have pouches of some sort that heat said goop.

If this means I can enjoy my odd tastes in food with lengthy shelf lifes without raiding army surplus stores.. "Woot."

Nescafe (2)

JamesSharman (91225) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199261)

You have been able to buy self heating nescafe coffee at my local service station for a month or so now. The volume of actual coffee in each is quite low but I keep one in the glove compartment for cold morning trafic jams.

Just how new is it, though? (1)

Clovert Agent (87154) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199262)

The military has been using self-heating ration packs for years - first ones I saw were US Army issue, but the UK armed forces use them too. And Nestle has been piloting self-heating cans of coffee in the UK (and probably elsewhere) for at least several months now, so there's already an emerging consumer market.

Self-heating cans have been for sale for months (1)

DrPizza (558687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199263)

How is this better than the Nescafe "Hot when you want" cans that have been for sale for some months? They're coffee in a can that heats itself before you drink it; they cost about a quid, a quid fifty. I don't know if they were limited-period trials or promotions, but they were certainly for sale towards the end of last year.

Mmmmm, hot Spaghetti O's anywhere!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199265)

I think this is a great idea. While you're riding the chairlift you can enjoy hot Spaghetti O's. What will they think of next;-)

Another milestone in humanity's pursuit of Waste (1)

erik umenhofer (782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199266)

I hope this thing is extremely reusable, I didn't see much in the way of replacment elements. Oh well...I think some sort of electronic system would be better for these reasons:

1) You buy 1 unit and no replacment filter or whatever.

2) You can keep things continuous warm if near electricty.

3) Adjustable heat levels.

This thing lacks that kinda stuff. I guess if you are willing to cash more cash for something like that it's cool. It would be handy for camping, but isn't a camp fire+pot+water the same thing?

Re:Another milestone in humanity's pursuit of Wast (1)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199307)

Uh, it's a chemical reaction that produces the heat... It's not like you can just plug it in to keep it warm.. unless you put a electrical heating element in and that would just hike the price tremendously.

As for the waste, I hope they're compatible with aluminum recycling to make it a little less littersome.

Re:Another milestone in humanity's pursuit of Wast (1)

erik umenhofer (782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199331)

About the electric thing, I'm just suggesting some sort of battery pack instead of a chem reaction. If done right small amounts of electricity can generate a lot of heat. If you had a small rechargable pack that could be wrapped around a glass or pan, that would be more useful IMHO.

Stupid idiot (-1)

Rock 'N' Troll (566273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199267)

You're a reatrd man.

Re:Stupid idiot (-1)

Sarcasm_Orgasm (535390) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199338)

Is your name a parody of Rock 'N' Roll (a "genre of popular music), or Rock 'N' Bowl (the popular bowling under black lights gimick)?

Nescafe? (1)

Lewisham (239493) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199268)

Here in the UK, Nescafe cans already self-heat. Can't say I've ever bought one, I'm not a coffee guy. Here's a description of the method (taken from this review [dooyoo.co.uk] ):

"1. Turn can upside down and depress button.
2. Shake from side to side until all the red liquid has disappeared (takes quite a few shakes, this)
3. Stand upright (the can, not you) and wait for three minutes (during which time you hear a couple of pops and a hushed fizz)
4. Open can with ring pull and drink your hot coffee!"

The can mentioned in the story looks easier to use, but these things are on the market.

IBM invents PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199269)

Old, old news. Shame on you Slashdot ;-)

Hardly a new idea (1)

ukgod (547718) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199278)

Its hardly new technology is it? Maybe Ontro have just produced a slightly more efficient heating method but UK armed services personnel used a self-heating can that was introduced in 1939 (and used around D-Day). It relied on the burning of cordite to provide the thermal energy to heat a tin of (Heinz?) soup. I think all the recent self-heating mechanisms have relied on the reaction between calcium oxide (also called quick lime) and a water-based solution.

Sweet! (1)

BoBaBrain (215786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199279)

Finally outdoor-jock technology is catching up with my desk-potato needs.

No more long hikes to the coffee pot for me.

Website Design (3, Interesting)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199282)

I can see this getting slashdotted fairly quickly if they had more information on the site, since they seem to want to do everything as images. And the site has one paragraph of text and no links when viewed in Lynx. Not very geek-friendly.

Re:Website Design (-1)

Rock 'N' Troll (566273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199294)

You kamkra bitch gimme some karma now dmnit

Re:Website Design (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199358)

the web has left your dorkyass behind!

Just wait... (1)

DaRiachu (265559) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199285)

All those college students won't have to spend money on the microwave. They can just get this for their Ramen consumption. ... ::drool:: Raaaaaaamen. Or just think, they get the technology cheap enough, and they can put it on cans and stuff and have self-cooking ramen and soups to begin with. I can't wait.

Not the Nestle stuff (1)

Pussy Is Money (527357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199288)

This is different from the Nestle stuff. They think they can make it cheaper and better. Here's a link to the article. Oh. Wait. Never mind.

guess what? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199290)

.You .are .gay .how .of .that .will .be .a .thing . of .mystery .buried .in .a .passed .piece .of .pap er .from .my .book .signing .with .a .hotel .a .ro om .number .and .a .time .listed .upon .it .You .d on .t .want .to .know .about .that .room .or .the . persons .in .that .room .you .want .to .know .abou t .Episode .Two .Jar .Jar .Binks .Jar .Jar .has .a . 15 .second .StepInFetchIt .shuffle .speak .routine . he .does .as .he .goes .to .first .let .Obi .Wan . Kenobi .and .Anakin .Skywalker .into .the .Amidala . s .quarters .that .is .so .offensively .awful .tha t .it .will .not .only .make .you .recoil .in .hor ror .but .it .will .remind .you .of .all .of .the . worst .aspects .of .his .character .from .THE .PHA NTOM .MENACE .I .wanted .to .burn .the .film .dest roy .maim .and .murder .it .at .this .stage .I .wa s .steeling .myself .from .the .impending .incompe tence .the .horror .of .my .childhood .being .mole sted .I .was .prepared .to .have .a .very .bad .ti me .I .found .myself .not .liking .Anakin .Skywalk er .at .all .he .s .a .punk .spoiled .bratf**k .A . snotty .nosed .ego .trip .that .angry .evil .high . school .football .quarterback .that .wants .the .h ead .cheerleader .He .whines .like .a .Mark .Hamil l .squealing .about .going .to .Toshi .Station .to . get .some .power .converters .There .is .much .ang er .in .him .He .s .impulsive .conflicted .out .of . control .and .a .mass .murderer .Everytime .I .saw . him .and .Natalie .Portman .together .I .wanted .t o .tell .her .to .run .fly .you .fool .But .am .I . not .supposed .to .feel .that .way .So .did .Georg e .Lucas .drop .the .ball .Did .he .rape .our .chi ldhood .Has .he .turned .into .nothing .more .than . flannel .wearing .toy .salesman .without .a .soul . or .an .eye .for .storytelling .anymore .Was .I .d isappointed .to .such .a .state .that .I .wanted . to .yell .and .scream .and .break .my .original .1 2 .inch .Boba .Fett .and .defecate .upon .it .in . a .ritualistic .purging .of .all .that .was .once . sacred .to .my .childhood .To .answer .all .of .th ose .questions .THANK .GOD .NO .Lucas .succeeds .w ith .the .film .beyond .my .wildest .dreams .I .wa s .scared .and .thrilled .to .be .watching .Episod e .2 .The .entire .time .I .was .in .that .hotel . room .I .was .convinced .that .agents .of .Lucasfi lm .were .going .to .knock .down .the .doors .and . I .knew .I .was .being .set .up .for .a .fall .I . mean .it .isn .t .possible .to .see .STAR .WARS .e arly .I .know .that .but .there .I .was .watching . it .Listening .to .the .sounds .of .drunk .SXSW .r evelers .falling .into .the .door .outside .After . about .20 .minutes .of .that .awareness .everythin g .but .the .film .ceased .to .exist .The .lights . in .the .room .dimmed .in .my .mind .The .persons . in .the .room .shrank .like .Scott .Carey .into .t he .microverse .Everything .about .me .was .concen trating .upon .the .film .The .movie .was .not .co mplete .There .were .moments .where .the .effects . were .quite .rough .but .the .work .that .was .fin ished .was .beyond .reproach .How .do .I .explain . the .success .of .ATTACK .OF .THE .CLONES .First . I .must .say .that .this .film .makes .THE .PHANTO M .MENACE .a .better .film .In .fact .I .would .ha ve .to .say .that .not .only .does .it .do .that . but .suddenly .you .will .realize .with .horror .e xactly .why .Jar .Jar .Binks .is .in .the .series . at .all .Upon .first .viewing .in .less .than .ide al .circumstances .I .must .say .that .I .feel .th at .this .is .by .far .the .most .entertaining .St ar .Wars .film .to .date .It .may .not .have .that . innocent .sense .of .wonder .for .the .first .film . It .doesn .t .have .that .sense .of .intimacy .tha t .EMPIRE .STRIKES .BACK .had .or .that .film .s . desperation .However .it .also .doesn .t .have .th e .trivial .frivolity .of .JEDI .or .MENACE .ATTAC K .OF .THE .CLONES .is .a .turning .point .in .the . saga .The .point .of .no .return .I .love .this .f ilm .desperately .I .want .to .continually .watch . it .for .about .a .wee k .with .my .best .friends .I .want .to .see .it . digitally .projected .with .sternum .shaking .soun d .I .want .to .watch .as .friends .discover .the . twists .that .Palpatine/Sidious/Dooku .have .in .s tore .for .us .I .want .to .have .the .conversatio ns .about .what .this .all .means .the .speculativ e .conversations .about .how .these .elements .wil l .play .out .in .the .final .chapter .of .the .pr equels .What .is .great .about .the .film .Obi .Wa n .Kenobi ./ .Ewan .McGregor .He .just .owns .the . role .now .There .is .amoment .in .the .Cantina/Sp orts .Bar .on .the .surface .level .of .Coruscant . where .he .and .Anakin .have .chased .an .assassin . As .they .enter .this .packed .sciyuppiescum .club . they .realize .they .can .t .seem .to .be .able .t o .see .the .assassin .anymore .Anakin .wants .to . rush .in .tear .the .place .apart .looking .for .t he .suspect .Obi .Wan .tells .him .to .slow .down . or .something .then .turns .to .head .in .a .diffe rent .direction .Anakin .asks .him .Where .you .go ing .to .which .Kenobi .dryly .responds .To .get . something .to .drink .Kenobi .is .just .that .calm . about .things .He .is .the .king .of .cool .He .ll . get .his .suspect .but .he .s .going .to .get .a . drink .first .Priorities .I .was .reminded .of .hi m .telling .Luke .to .let .go .and .to .trust .his . feelings .He .doesn .t .repeat .that .here .he .si mply .lets .go .and .trusts .his .feelings .We .se e .it .as .an .action .a .path .he .chose .Then .w hen .he .gets .to .that .bar .leaning .on .it .sip ping .that .odd .drink .a .drug .dealer .comes .up . to .him .and .asks .Wanna .buy .some .deathsticks . Obi .Wan .responds .You .don .t .want .to .sell .m e .death .sticks .Drug .dealer .says .I .don .t .w ant .to .sell .you .death .sticks .You .want .to . go .home .and .rethink .your .direction .in .life . Kenobi .continues .I .want .to .go .home .and .ret hink .my .direction .in .life .the .dealer .says . as .he .blankly .turns .and .walks .out .of .the . club .Before .he .can .get .too .smug .about .his . little .trick .he .senses .the .assassin .behind . him .and .he .pulls .the .patented .Obi .Wan .pivo ting .light .saber .at .a .bar .strike .that .you . ve .seen .in .the .trailer .He .gets .his .suspect . and .he .s .never .broke .a .sweat .He .is .the .m aster .Kenobi .is .just .plainly .cool .in .the .f ilm .Watch .how .he .handles .things .on .Camino . or .the .way .he .doesn .t .betray .a .single .tho ught .in .his .conversation .with .Jango .Fett .th ere .He .knows .his .game .his .methods .and .his . ways .He .is .confident .and .completely .on .the . clock .Ewan .is .relaxed .in .the .role .clearly . having .fun .and .is .very .very .very .good .in . the .film .Contrary .to .Moriarty .s .assertion .t hat .he .would .be .more .?Han .Solo .he .is .in . fact .much .more .Master .Li .Mu .Bai .Chow .Yun . Fat .from .CROUCHING .TIGER .HIDDEN .DRAGON .but . without .the .romance .Jango .Fett .Boba .Fett ./ . Temuera .Morrison .Daniel .Logan .I .love .this .p air .I .love .them .because .they .are .the .reneg ade .Father .and .Son .They .have .their .own .set . of .rules .they .are .a .self .contained .function ing .unit .Jango .wanted .a .son .to .raise .his . own .way .that .doesn .t .mean .he .beats .him .an d .does .evil .things .He .loves .his .kid .He .s . training .him .to .be .a .good .Bounty .Hunter .li ke .he .is .There .is .very .much .a .father/son . Master/Apprentice .style .thing .going .on .here . And .they .have .my .favorite .moment .of .the .en tire .film .which .is .a .tiny .little .moment .be tween .these .two .Jango .and .Boba .are .headed . to .Genosia .when .they .pick .up .that .Kenobi .i s .tailing .them .They .dive .into .the .asteroid . belt .surrounding .Genosia .Obi .Wan .trails .behi nd .them .not .being .lost .Jango .tells .Boba .so mething .like .Prepare .the .sonic .mines .we .ll . give .himf**k .something .I .couldn .t .make .outf **k .but .Boba .presses .some .buttons .while .doi ng .what .I .can .only .describe .as .an .evil .gi gglef**k .a .delighted .giggle .Jango .looks .at . him .smiling .as .if .to .sayf**k .That .s .my .bo y .The .moment .is .so .honest .and .real .I .ve . never .seen .a .father .son .moment .like .this .i n .science .fiction .Completely .classic .Anakin . Skywalker .Padme .Amidala ./ .Hayden .Christensen . Natalie .Portman .First .Anakin .is .just .an .ass . in .this .film .Like .I .said .earlier .I .can .t . stand .him .He .s .like .that .boy .in .the .TWILI GHT .ZONE .movie .that .has .too .much .power .and . thinks .about .using .it .too .much .but .sometime s .it .goes .terribly .astray .Portman .s .Padme . in .this .film .has .mostly .dropped .the .?high . speak .that .she .had .from .the .first .filmf**k . Injecting .into .her .character .far .more .vocal . variety .than .the .droll .monotone .of .the .firs t .film .that .killed .the .performance .Here .she . infuses .the .character .with .more .of .herself . which .is .a .very .good .thing .I .like .that .sh e .doesn .t .want .to .have .anything .to .do .wit h .Anakin .That .she .constantly .is .aware .of .a ll .the .reasons .they .shouldn .t .be .together . Of .the .scandal .Of .their .careers .Anakin .hate s .being .told .no .She .can .see .all .the .reaso ns .but .when .they .go .through .what .they .go . throughf**k .When .the .emotional .binding .takes . place .between .these .characters .through .a .bri ef .adventure .a .loss .of .a .loved .one .a .dece nt .into .hellf**k .When .faced .with .certain .do om .they .realize .that .life .is .too .short .to . worry .about .the .ifs .and .butsf**k .And .when . it .happensf**k .John .Williams .love .theme .kick s .in .This .really .kicks .in .just .as .Anakin . and .Padme .kiss .before .being .taken .out .and . strung .up .in .the .arena .you .know .the .sequen ce .when .they .are .chained .against .the .pillar s .It .actually .starts .from .the .shot .which .w e .see .in .the .trailer .of .the .arena .with .al l .the .Geonosis .creatures .seated .and .cheering . the .long .shot .looking .from .high .to .low .It . consists .of .maybe .three .instruments .playing . at .first .classic .violin .very .sorrowful .and . warm .It .almost .sounds .a .little .bit .like .th e .theme .for .the .Incredible .Hulk .TV .series . with .Lou .Ferrigno .The .intros .are .similar .be fore .other .instruments .join .in .It .also .remi nded .me .of .Francis .Lai .s .theme .from .Arthur . Hiller .s .LOVE .STORY .Although .it .is .striking ly .different .from .other .parts .in .the .film . IT .FITS .IN .BEAUTIFULLY .Elegant .but .not .sopp y .Gentle .but .not .melodramatic .Williams .think ing .differently .after .all .a .very .different . relationship .from .Han .and .Leia .and .succeedin g .It .starts .to .crescendo .as .the .lovers .are . wheeled .out .into .the .arena .reminded .me .of . the .shot .of .Luke .with .the .twin .suns .same . type .of .crescendo .It .continues .through .the . cuts .between .ObiWan .chained .and .them .being . taken .over .to .the .same .place .but .changes .i nto .a .military .drum .style .you .know .the .thu mping .dictatorship .heavy .beat .almost .like .th e .sacrifice .has .arrived .This .changes .the .wh ole .tone .as .we .realize .their .moment .has .be en .intruded .and .they .are .in .serious .poodoo . The .romance .is .handled .in .terms .of .familiar ity .and .proximity .This .is .that .sort .of .rom ance .where .one .loves .the .other .but .only .at . the .point .of .an .emotional .precipice .where .t he .other .could .see .that .they .shared .that .f eeling .and .embrace .it .I .liked .this .Palpatin eSidious .Count .DookuDarth .Tyrannus ./ .Ian .McD iarmid .Christopher .Lee .Wow .Ok .read .no .spoil ers .about .all .of .this .I .remember .thinking . that .Lucas .could .be .soft .in .the .head .for . trying .to .fool .the .audience .into .thinking .P alpatine .isn .t .Sidious .I .mean .we .can .see . that .in .the .credits .What .the .hell .Right .Se e .that .is .so .like .a .selfcentered .audience . To .sit .there .and .think .they .are .the .center . of .the .universe .The .PalpatineSidious .thing .f rom .the .first .filmf**k .The .trade .disputef**k . All .of .it .not .only .makes .sense .with .this . film .but .the .way .it .unfolds .As .you .see .th e .point .of .the .various .guises .and .namesf**k . How .Yoda .and .Windu .sense .no?disturbance .arou nd .Palpatinef**k .There .are .reasons .for .these . thingsf**k .Just .because .you .don .t .know .them . yet .doesn .t .mean .Lucas .doesn .t .know .what . he .s .doingf**k .Upon .seeing .this .film .seeing . how .he .handles .these .two .characters .being .4 . charactersf**k .It .is .genius .Compelling .Machia vellian .positioning .and .deception .There .are . points .in .this .film .where .I .wanted .to .scre am .at .the .screen .and .say .Palpatine .is .an . evil .Sith .Lord .They .re .conspiring .to .destro y .the .Republic .from .within .That .s .when .Chr istopher .Lee .essentially .tells .Obi .Wan .the . same .thingf**kMy .god .The .evil .The .evil .of . using .the .truth .knowing .it .could .only .be .i nterpreted .as .being .a .deception .and .a .lie . The .Devil .uses .truth .to .betray .mankind .beca use .he .is .expected .to .lief**k .and .the .trut h .sounds .better .but .will .never .be .believed . Just .wait .till .you .see .how .the .Death .Star . plays .into .thisf**k .You .ll .friggin .die .FANT ASTIC .YodaDooku .fightf**k .HOLY .GOD .Right .now . there .is .a .lot .of .speculation .about .Yoda .w ith .lightning .It .is .on .one .of .the .soundtra ck .covers .When .you .look .at .that .When .peopl e .described .the .ball .of .lightning .in .Yoda . s .hands .from .ShoWest .I .thought .they .were .i nsane .I .thought .only .the .bad .guys .did .that . When .I .saw .the .film .wellf**k .I .can .tell .y ou .exactly .how .that .moment .plays .out .So .fa r .as .I .have .seen .that .hasn .t .laked .and .i t .isn .t .a .huge .spoiler .When .Yoda .and .Dook u .first .set .up .to .go .at .it .Dooku .hurls .l ightning .at .Yodaf**k .Yes .Chris .Lee .s .charac ter .is .that .strong .Perhaps .the .strongest .ch aracter .with .the .force .I .have .ever .seen .in . Star .Wars .history .He .attacks .Yoda .with .ligh tning .Yoda .captures .it .twirls .it .around .bal ls .it .up .and .redirects .it .back .at .Lee .Whe n .I .saw .this .I .screamed .like .a .little .gir l .I .mean .it .was .like .Uncle .Tony .grabbed .m y .pantied .ass .I .jumped .about .12 .feet .up .i n .the .air .and .squealed .WHAT .A .THRILL .The . Yoda .Dooku .fight .is .astonishing .I .can .not . emphasize .that .enough .I .have .been .thinking . for .quite .some .time .that .there .was .no .way . on .earth .that .Yoda .with .a .light .saber .coul d .look .cool .Folks .not .only .does .it .look .c ool .but .there .will .be .a .collective .scream . of .HOLY .SHIT .when .what .happens .happens .Yoda . s .fighting .style .isf**k .well .let .s .just .sa y .he .could .kick .all .your .asses .Oh .and .by . the .way .Williams .DUEL .OF .THE .FATES .was .not hing .in .comparison .to .this .Remember .Vader .v s .Luke .in .EMPIREf**k .How .overwhelmingly .powe rful .Vader .felt .in .comparison .to .Luke .Remem ber .how .weak .Vader .felt .in .comparison .to .t he .Emperor .Now .imagine .someone .with .The .emp eror .s .powers .in .a .full .on .battle .with .a . master .Here .towers .of .metal .are .torn .asunde r .with .the .power .of .the .force .The .ceiling . ripped .apart .Seemingly .unlimited .strength .wit h .the .force .You .will .quiver .shake .and .scre am .You .are .warned .You .have .to .understand .s omething .in .going .into .this .film .What .you . have .seen .in .Star .Wars .movies .before .were . skirmishesf**k .incidentsf**k .Remember .The .Batt le .of .Hoth .was .small .a .minor .hiccup .In .AT TACK .OF .THE .CLONES .you .have .the .first .REAL . Star .War .It .isn .t .a .space .battle .but .you . understand .the .scale .of .things .The .size .and . scope .of .a .MAJOR .OFFENSIVE .And .unlike .in .P HANTOM .MENACE .where .Lucas .decided .to .cut .up . the .action .by .trying .to .intercut .three .cons ecutive .arenas .of .battle .here .he .portrays .t he .action .linearlyf**k .basically .following .Ob i .Wan .and .Anakin .and .Padmef**k .who .all .bas ically .stick .together .with .Padme .taking .a .r oll .in .some .sand .to .miss .out .on .the .Dooku . battle .After .the .film .was .finished .playing . I .was .just .beside .myself .with .glee .Right .n ow .it .is .a .very .interesting .time .for .Star . Wars .fandom .PHANTOM .MENACE .polarized .the .aud ience .into .the .faithful .and .those .that .felt . it .had .all .gone .wrong .That .everything .was . doomed .With .the .introduction .of .MATRIX .and . LORD .OF .THE .RINGS .into .fan .circles .there .b egan .to .be .a .real .angry .mix .Fights .screami ngs .and .hurling .of .?love .it .or .leave .it .s tyle .rhetoric .Watching .the .trailers .for .STAR . WARS .ATTACK .OF .THE .CLONES .in .theaters .the . audiences .seemed .muted .in .comparison .to .the . delightful .screams .of .approval .from .the .SPID ERMAN .trailers .You .know .those .guys .that .hav e .been .camping .up .in .Portland .The .experienc e .they .are .going .to .have .in .the .theater .u pon .that .first .showingf**k .They .will .be .so . completely .happy .Now .the .cut .I .saw .was .sti ll .a .bit .rough .around .the .edges .but .folksf **k .I .can .t .wait .to .see .this .on .the .big . screen .complete .To .see .what .gets .cut .what . gets .changed .what .I .notice .when .watching .th is .movie .the .way .Lucas .meant .for .people .to . see .it .The .sources .that .showed .it .to .me .w ere .tired .of .all .my .LORD .OF .THE .RINGS .stu ff .They .were .tired .of .all .the .rhetoric .abo ut .Tolkien .all .the .focus .I .had .on .LORD .OF . THE .RINGS .They .wanted .someone .outside .of .th e .ranch

Re:guess what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199384)

unlucky, dick-wad.

This is a great idea (2, Funny)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199298)

I hate going for a crap on a cold winters morning and freezing my arse off.
A self heating can would be really nice - great big thanks to all those boffins!!

Self-heating can gallery (1)

1gor (314505) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199300)

The one [bigidea.org.uk] made by Heinz and ICI for the military in WWII.

The one [tempratech.com] made for the military today.

What are other news today?

Re:Self-heating can gallery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199387)

A metal tube filled with smokeless chemical fuel was slotted into the middle of the can and the contents could be heated in 4.5 minutes by prising off a protective cap, piercing the top of the can and lighting the fuse.

Sounds more like a bomb to me....

who needs this? (1)

marijne (536748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199311)

apart from the long "who made it first discussion" there is the "who actually uses this stuff?".
I personally live in a country where it is almost impossible to get further than a kilometer away from the next place with fresh coffee (and getting one on a nice terrace with some extra cake and stuff sounds cheaper than this canned brew)

Selfwarming toilets? (2, Funny)

professortomoe (540098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199315)

Since thses cups are already out everywhere else, why don't they warm the toilet seat for those cold winter days. Or just ignore me :P

I've had a self heating can for years (1)

AlaskanUnderachiever (561294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199321)

Mine's right below a size 33" waist. It's also fully recyclable, organically powered, and pinto supercharged! I'd like to see them beat that! Unfortunately, market demand for my self heating can is at an all time low and I am considering making my can GPL. . .

Great, More landfill (1)

The Cookie Monster (129545) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199327)

And if we weren't already lazy enough, we now have disposable drink heaters to save us having to walk to the nearest microwave.

Should we turn even more virgin resources into landfill for the sake of such trifleing convenience?

I think consumers will answer that, and it'll be a resounding YES! :)

Re:Great, More landfill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3199337)

Of course

Why aren't you consuming citizen?
Consume more - it's American .

Re: Self-Heating Can (1)

iguild (553815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199332)

I remember these cans have been available here in Germany but they have been taken from the market because they didn't sell that good. Not because of the product itself but its bad marketing so the consumers didn't know about the cans. Doh!

Environmental Impact? (2, Insightful)

zerosignal (222614) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199334)

Disposable cans are bad enough, but with a heating element there's much more waste to be disposed of. And I suspect these would be much harder to recycle - it would have to be dismantled into its component parts.

How is this any different from MRE? (2)

ColGraff (454761) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199335)

Made Ready to Eat meals have been in the Army for a long time, and they're self-heating. How is this new technology? At best, it's an MRE in can form - but you can already buy MREs from surplus stores if you positively have to have them!

Delta T of 75F? (2)

Raetsel (34442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199339)


In part of their description [ontro.com] , they state that their product will...
  • "...heat its contents approximately 75 degrees Fahrenheit above the starting temperature of the product."
Let's see... the forcast for Killington, VT (USA) today is for highs of 34F (1C) and lows of 5F (-15C). (There's a popular ski area there for those of you who aren't familiar.)

Wind chill doesn't apply, so figure ambient (plus a gimme factor for residual temp + insulation) plus 75F, and you're looking at 109F (43C) during the day, and 80F (27C) at night while you're trapped in a tree and the ski patrol's searching for your freezing ass. Not exactly what I'd call 'toasty warm.'

So, if you're skiing and packing your coffee | soup | chili in a backpack... don't expect the warmest meal. As for less extreme situations... I can nuke my hot chocolate a lot faster in the microwave at work, and I'm not so damn lazy I can't get up from my desk to do it.

I think this'll sell for a short period just due to the "Hey, cool!" factor, and then die due to expense.

Sterno (2)

Jebediah21 (145272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199341)

Maybe I"m getting old, but I remember something called Sterno - Heat in a Can. The Sterno website [ccaipg.com] is pretty sparse. Perhaps some other aging geek remembers it.

Re:Sterno (3, Informative)

BCoates (512464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199388)

It's still around, I used it this thanksgiving to keep food warm. Little metal cans, probably packed at or near sea level judging by how, when opened at 7,000', the cap flies off and through the air, splattering flammable purple goo... oops.

I also understand the desperate alcoholic can squeeze it through a filter of some sort to get at the ethanol within... consult your local wino for exact directions.

--
Benjamin Coates

wastes ? (3, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199342)

If you are interested this product, then you're most probably willing to wander in some places where you would neither have time to cook...

So, you're probably trekking.

The problem is with the container itself as you can't obviously just drop it in a bush and it may be an oversupply in terms of volume, once used.

Especially if, as they say, you use it for Baby-food : you will need its place to store the pampers... If you at least have some respect for the environment.

I saw such self-heating doses of food here in Switzerland and they actually took care of this detail by storing these (and their self-heating chemicals) in plastic/metal bag which advantage is to occupy very little space, once empty...

Recyclable? (1)

inKubus (199753) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199375)

And if this were to become a mainstream consumer item (although I can't imagine a world where it would), can you recycle the can inexpensively?

Also, I have a much better idea for self-heating water:

A strong water based acid (H+ ions made with electricity) and a strong water based base (OH- ions made with electricity) are stored in separate non-reactive plastic bladders. In the center, you have the powdered flavoring or concentrate of the beverage/food/whatever. Button is pressed, acid water and base water mix, (H+ joins with OH-) releasing tons of heat (I beleive this is one of the most exothermic reactions known, by weight of reactants) and water. A twirl of the wrist to mix, and pop the top and injoy.

I still have some R&D but the patent is pending.

Re:Recyclable? (2)

johnburton (21870) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199392)

Firstly, it looks to me like the can just has two compartments with a plastic bit on the base, so it's probably recylcable once the plastic has been removed. And secondly, who cares if it's recyclable anyway?

Re:Recyclable? (1)

BCoates (512464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199395)

You're going to have to get people over the rather scary concept of drinking reaction products... Maybe throw in some ph paper?

"Do not drink if stripes are visible on sides of can!"

--
Benjamin Coates

That's just creepy (2)

guttentag (313541) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199346)

Reminds me of the "self-cooking eggs" in the first Ghostbusters movie. Who wants that? It'll become one of those classic gags that just aren't funny, like the whoopie cushion on dad's seat at the dinner table.

"Ha ha! Look, everyone! Jimmy plugged in the cranberry sauce and it exploded!"

They are only trying to improve a product (2, Interesting)

Ibag (101144) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199347)

According to the site, the inventors came up with their idea when they saw a self heating container for sake. They don't try to take credit for the concept of a self heating container.

What they do say, however, is that most other self-heating solutions they have seen were either unsafe, cumbersome, expensive, or a combination thereof. They have only been attempting to make an inexpensive and safe version of the self heating can so that it is worthwhile to both consumers and manufacturers alike (as opposed to being a novelty idea with a niche market).

Unfortunately, they don't give numbers on price or weight, so all you can really find out is that it takes 5 minutes to heat a beverage, it stays warm for 20 minutes, and that a 16oz can will hold 10oz of drink.

Who cares if something like this is available in the UK for coffee? I think this being done by someone not in the food industry means that it is more likely to become widespread than if the only viable option were to liscense similar technology from a competitor.

Whether this is breaking news deserving to be on the front page is another story...

yeah I also seen em (2, Interesting)

schlam (314778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199349)

I paid like £1.50 for a cup of 50 pence coffee .. and the milk in it was vile. Anyway it is producced by nescafe [nescafe.com] and here is a google cashed link [google.com] for how thier's works. I assume that the original was pulled off the original web site.

Let me get this straight... (3, Interesting)

joebp (528430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199352)

The huge flaw in their design is that it contains Calcium Oxide. AKA Lime. AKA Quicklime. AKA a substance used in manufacturing steel and paper, in glassmaking, in waste treatment, in insecticides, and as an industrial alkali.

Not something I'd like near my coffee, thanks!

When mixed with water it turns into Slaked Lime and heat. So the waste problem goes from recycling cans to recycling cans full of Slaked Lime! Oh well, perhaps the sewage and effluent treatment industry would buy it off the recyclers?

Too low capacity (1)

mosschops (413617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199355)

I was disappointed by how little these cans actually held. The (Nescafe) cans are slightly fatter than regular cans, but about half the volume is taken up by the heating mechanism. I'd also describe the final temperature as warm rather than actually hot. Hopefully that's something that can be improved upon.

Still, I do still keep one handy in the car for times when I want something warm to drink. They're still new enough to gain geekiness points too :-)

selfheating pans (1)

tamarik (1163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199366)

Mountain House [mountainhouse.com] or or one of the other freeze dried foods producers here in the USA have had a version of a container that self heats for years. They're not cans; a foil coated paper pan with a chemical heater. (sodium and water?) Takes a couple minutes and the food is quite edible (after walking 3 days in the rain, at least). [heatermeals.com]

These can be found at your local REI co-op or a quick net search:
http://windupradio.com/hot_pack.htm
http ://www.safetycentral.com/noname29.html
productsfo ranywhere.com/gear/details/hp_meals.html

Expensive R&D (1)

unorthod0x (263821) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199381)

From the web site: "Heat is generated inside the Ontro container through a remarkably simple process ... namely, the reaction of crushed limestone (also known as calcium oxide) and water. The user activates the container by merely pushing a button on the bottom. This breaks an internal seal and releases water into the heating cone where it mixes with the crushed limestone. Once these materials combine, the heating process begins (users will first feel the heat approximately two minutes after activating the container)." - 10 million dollars worth of investment and they come up with something equivalent to a high school senior chemistry project? There's got to be something more to this?!

i've seen this at least 10 years ago!? (1)

Void (2442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199389)

This is not new at all! I've seen (and actually eaten from them) at a Kite festival in Dieppe (France) at least 10 years ago or so. For all the participants, they had these kind of meals. You had to pull a string, and 2 minutes later, the meal was hot!

How does it work when it's freezing? (2, Interesting)

cardcounter (179549) | more than 12 years ago | (#3199396)

Since the reaction of water and CaO is what creates heat here, how can it work when the puck of water is solid ice?

Doesn't seem like a reliable way to enjoy a hot beverage on the slopes.
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