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RedHat 7.3 beta (skipjack) is out

HeUnique posted more than 12 years ago | from the read-the-release-notes dept.

Red Hat Software 368

Just saw in Red Hat's FTP's - Redhat 7.3 (codename:skipjack) is available for download. There aren't lots of changes there, but you'll find that RedHat 7.3 comes with KDE 3.0 (rc3 is on this beta), you'll need to remove the Ximian Gnome before upgrade, and in general - read the release notes before testing this release. As always, don't try it on your main Linux partition, and use the mirrors. Annoucment is here (thanks to Linux Weekly News)

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First! (-1, Offtopic)

Anomolous Cow Herd (457746) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213941)

Not second, not third, but FIRST!

Where are all the beautiful women? I thought first post celebrities were popular with the ladies?

Re:First! (-1)

Carp Flounderson (542291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214102)

testing

Re:First! (-1)

Carp Flounderson (542291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214113)

testing again

Linuxconf (1)

alta (1263) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213942)

God I hope they put linuxconf back in... Does anyone know why they took it out? I love it!

Re:Linuxconf (1)

CanadaDave (544515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213968)

Why'd they take linuxconf out? I mean couldn't they just leave it in and let people install it if they want to?

Personally I use Mandrake and I think the Mandrake tools are better than Linuxconf for most things. When Mandrake tools don't do the job I go straight to the conf files using vi. Go Mandrake!

Re:Linuxconf (1)

alta (1263) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214001)

Here's the problem I have...

I have a redhat 6.2 mailserver that's an open relay. We are making extensive use of the name@domain.net style virtual hosting that linuxconf does for us. I'm not sure how it does it, I just know it works.

Now, RH7.x doesn't have linuxconf or that virtualhost stuff built into it anymore and I'm not sure how they did it in 6.2 to duplicate it. I don't have time to rebuild that sendmail with smtp auth.

Right now I'm moving to postfix (qmail and djb are out, can't stand it.) but I have yet to figure out how to do virtuals without giving users real accounts on the server.

Who knows?? Anybody?

Re:Linuxconf (2)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214017)

Why don't you look at the /etc/mail files in your 6.2 install?

Or go and install linuxconf, just because RH doesn't come with you can still get it. Or try another package like webmin or something similar.

No Webmin! (2, Interesting)

mlg9000 (515199) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214002)

Linuxconf breaks things. Redhat was right to take it out. The only problem is that they haven't really replaced it with anything. What they should include instead is Webmin. It might not have a command line interface but do you really need that functionality for a typical Redhat install? In my opinion it's by far the best Linux config tool around.

Re:No Webmin! (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214026)

It looks like they put some of the linuxconf functionality into the "setup" program, which is a front end to various things that get run during an anaconda run.

Try typing "setup" on a 7.2 box.

Ya! Webmin is great! I love to admin your box! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214151)

I love remote administration of machines running Webmin! Especially when Webmin is installed by default, and the machines aren't mine!

</SARCASM>

Webmin is a bad idea. Installing & activating webmin by default as certain clueless distros do (*cough*mandrake*cough) is bafflingly idiotic.

Re:No Webmin! (3, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214183)

What they should include instead is Webmin

Not in the base OS.
Webmin is a nice, user friendly tool, but it's code is horrible (at least to people who don't breathe perl instead of air ;) ) and we usually don't ship stuff we can't support well.

Webmin is included on the almost-unsupported extra CD found in European boxes (bandwidth is very expensive in most European countries, so including another CD with stuff you could just download makes sense in the European box).

Re:Linuxconf (2)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214051)

Why don't you just go get it [rpmfind.net] and install it:


rpm -ivh ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/7.2/en/os/i386/RedH at/RPMS/linuxconf-1.25r7-3.i386.rpm

Re:Linuxconf (2, Informative)

bolmyn (213093) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214091)

I wonder if anybody still cares for browsing through second CD of RH 7.x?
Linuxconf is alive and kicking and in spite of some comments
it hardly breaks anything. Install gnome-linuxconf and
you have quite a nice GUI admin interface.

But hey, webmin is great too! :-)

Re:Linuxconf (2)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214106)

Either that or go to rpmfind.net, it's a great resource, as long as you use the right RPM for your dist. Just look for the pretty green ones for RH/Intel :)

X.3 ?? (3, Interesting)

neo8750 (566137) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213946)

I always thought Red Hat did X.0 X.1 and then X.2 before going to back to X.0. Have they always released a X.3 ?

Re:X.3 ?? (3, Insightful)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213965)

This 7.3 is good. I wanted to see a more refined 7.2 before a new approach was reborn. This is one step toward perfection before they release a new offspring.

Re:X.3 ?? (5, Informative)

dytin (517293) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213974)

Actually, in the release notes, it says that this distribution is not 7.3, but actually 7.2.92

X.X.XX ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3213988)

I always thought Red Hat did X.X. Have they ever released a 4-digits/3-number X.X.XX ?

Re:X.X.XX ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214090)

Sure, i found a 6.1.9x CD while cleaning my cd shelf last week or so.

Re:X.X.XX ?? (4, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214149)

Usually, X.X is a release, and X.X.XX is a beta.

They dont call it 7.3 untill it's released (1)

brodiedreamyou.ca (542180) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214119)

The beta versions of 7.3 have to have release numbers, so they use something high in the previous release, like 7.2.92 in this case, that leaves them 8 more beta versions before it's called 7.3

Re:X.3 ?? (1)

alta (1263) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213977)

Just think of it as redhat 7, servicepack 3. I know, it's nothing like a service pack.

Re:X.3 ?? (3, Insightful)

wray (59341) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214093)

Since the 4.0, release RedHat has done a .0 -> .1 -> .2 -> .0 release. I cannot comment officially on how this happened, but I was watching Rawhide, and up until about 3 weeks ago, RedHat had gcc 3.1 as their primary/only compiler, then all of the sudden, they reverted back to a gcc-2.96 and gcc 3.0.4 combo. I assume this was the point where they decided to release a 7.3 instead of an 8.0. Perhaps it had to do with the maturity of the 3.1 compiler, perhaps something else, but it is surely a deviation from their established timeline.

As a sidenote, though I am very excited about gcc 3.1 which branched on Feb 28, I think that RedHat's move is a good one. They can use this time to perhaps plan an 8.0 release that will support x86-64 (Hammer) architecture.

Re:X.3 ?? (5, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214096)

First of all, the article is bogus, we don't preannounce releases, the next release might be called 7.3, 8.0, 15.1, Linux XP or anything else.

Second, there's no strict rule on how many versions of a major release we do.
The major number is determined by changes in binary compatibility, so it will usually be increased when switching to a major new glibc or a binary incompatible gcc.

Re:X.3 ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214166)

Come on bero,

If that was 8.0 final and this is the beta - then the number would have been 7.9.92.

If it was 7.2 final and this is beta - then it would have been 7.1.92..

See my point? ;)

maybe I missed something (-1, Troll)

jmallett (189882) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213948)

but how is a beta of RedHat Linux front-page worthy again?

"Skipjack"? Noooo!! (3, Funny)

kcbrown (7426) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213953)

It's a plot by the NSA to eavesdrop on everyone's encrypted communications! Don't buy it!!

Oh, wait, this is Skipjack the distribution, not Skipjack the algorithm. Never mind...

...Unless RedHat is giving us a hint that the NSA had some "influence" on this distribution...

Oh, my, in my paranoia I just don't know what to do!

:-)

Re:"Skipjack"? Noooo!! (2)

defile (1059) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213973)

Like any of their other codenames were at all relevant? Perhaps they have ties to codebreaking in WW2? (Enigma) Or maybe South Park? (Cartman)

Re:"Skipjack"? Noooo!! (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214150)

I think if you read it's quite obviously humor, however the poster does have a point: It seems a little stupid of them to codename something (esp. a software product which people are naturally very nervous about) after a much-maligned broken encryption standard.

Re:"Skipjack"? Noooo!! (1)

checkyoulater (246565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214105)

Oh, wait, this is Skipjack the distribution, not Skipjack the algorithm

Damn, I thought it was skipjack the tuna!

Re:"Skipjack"? Noooo!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214142)

Would you prefer a RedHat "Sixpack" distribution?

Distro size (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3213960)

I just checked the mirrors, and this thing is five ISO images! What the hell is RH thinking? Even with a broadband connection, there's no way I'm downloading that much just to play with a beta.

Re:Distro size (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3213980)

They have integrated Internet Explorer into the OS this release.

Re:Distro size (1)

or_smth (473159) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214015)

*cough* Debian *cough*. It sucks to be a poor newbie who actually thought you needed those 7 CDs for Debian.

Yes I know. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214107)

> *cough* Debian *cough*. It sucks to be a poor newbie who actually thought you needed those 7 CDs for Debian.

The same thing happened to me. But it was more like 3 CD. The next time I installed Debian I just downloaded the two floppies and did a ftp install.
Try do that with Redhat.

Re:Yes I know. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214179)

Try do that with Redhat.

Why don't you actually try it [redhat.com] ?

Re:Distro size (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214049)

Just do a FTP install, download the bootnet floppy image (from /skipjack/en/os/i386/images ) and find a fast mirror, boot off the floppy and select ftp install. This way you'll only download the packages you actually install. From experience it takes between 45 minute to 2 hours for a net install.

Re:Distro size (3, Informative)

HeUnique (187) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214139)

it's actually 3 ISO's - the 3rd is half CD.

The rest ISO's are source code for the distribution.

Re:Distro size (3, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214140)

The 4th and 5th CDs are source RPMs, so if you just want to give it a test run without looking at the code, you won't need them.

Size? (2, Interesting)

nabnerd (567997) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213961)

does anyone know what size and install of 7.3 will be? 7.2 was over 1.3GB with everything i needed.

~nab

Re:Size? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214043)

That would be everything Redhat thought you needed :-)

Re:Size? (1)

georgeb (472989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214202)

That's curious, 7.2 was over 7G with everything I needed (read: mp3s, porn, Windows installed inside vmware)...

And even stranger, the very same 7.2 was just under 0.6G with everything my server needed!

What package do you need today?

What about.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3213966)

What happened to Redhat Linux XP ?

take off your pants (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213976)

and jacket

size=ease of use (2, Insightful)

oo7tushar (311912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213982)

I find it particularly disturbing that Red Hat is growing "exponentially" in size. I'm pretty sure that they don't have to include all the options but they don't make it easy to disable them.
Now many of you may jump on the bandwagon and say "Wait, Linux is not meant to be easy". I'll retort by saying: Red Hat should be easy. If you're going to target users with a desktop application then you don't make things harder. Desktops were invented to make things easier or more efficient to use.
So it seems that if they do make it bigger, perhaps they should make it easier?
size=ease of use

Re:size=ease of use (3, Informative)

WildBeast (189336) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213990)

Sure but RedHat's market isn't the desktop. It's all about the server side for them. If RedHat was targeting the desktop, there CEO wouldn't have said that Linux will not make it on the desktop.

You want a desktop distribution? Try Mandrake. A little bloated but pretty good.

Version name (0)

whovian (107062) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213983)

The first time I read that name I thought it had said 'sixpack'.

Hey, a guy can hope, no?

Re:Version name (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214018)

I read shitpack :-)

Too bad (0, Troll)

Kizzle (555439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213985)

Too bad you need this [slashdot.org] for a full install.

System? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3213986)

What kind of computer would I need to run Linux 7.3 and X-Windows and KDE as my window manager?

I want to get away from Windows, but I don't know if my computer can handle it.

I rate your troll B+ (0)

danro (544913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214055)

Well, that was a pretty nice troll.
Not new, but...

Re:System? (2)

coats (1068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214080)

What kind of computer would I need to run Linux 7.3 and X-Windows and KDE...
  • Linux: 386/16 with 1 MB RAM

  • ... and X-Windows: 486/25 with 8 MB RAM, if you use a lightweight window manager like IceWM

  • ... and KDE: P3/400 or better, with 32 MB RAM or better (and 64MB RAM is much better! :-)

Re:System? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214189)

Actually I doubt Linux boots on a 1 MB machines.

Re:System? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214197)

  • ...And Gnome on a p200/32M (64M is better), if you don't use nautilus file manager.

KDE3 (2, Insightful)

CanadaDave (544515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3213987)

That's nice that they have KDE3. I wish Mandrake had slowed down their 8.2 schedule so that KDE3 final could be included. But they don't like changing release dates, so I can wait.

What are the cool new features included in 7.3? I guess it's mostly a bug fix release, but their must be some changes. Any improvements to the Redhat configuration tools? I've always liked Redhat better in general, I'm not sure why...but I liked Mandrakes drak tools so much, I switched to MDK.

Re:KDE3 (2)

jd142 (129673) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214014)

As I understand it, Mandrake has been keeping pace with the qt libraries. The next version will be 9.0 and use qt 3 and kde 3. The reason for putting out 8.2 was to sort of wrap up a lot of patches and some new control tools.

Personally, I think it was a way to really stress test the control center and new wizard features before blowing everyone out of the water with 9. If you look at the verion numbers, a lot of the Mandrake controls are right around 1. The ones I remember were at .96 or so. My guess is they will be version 1.0 with 9.0. Just a guess though.

Re:KDE3 (1)

danro (544913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214076)

Besides, Mandrake needs the cash a release will generate.
Hope it works, because Mandrake is our last, best hope to break the MS stranglehold on the desktop...
So easy to use that it almost doesn't feel like linux =)
I preordered the 8.2 PowerPack to give them some $, but I cant wait for 9.0. Judging from what we have seen so far it should be awesome!

Re:KDE3 (2)

phutureboy (70690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214204)

Hope it works, because Mandrake is our last, best hope to break the MS stranglehold on the desktop...

Dunno about that... I'm anxious to see what the initial release of Xandros [xandros.net] is like.

Re:KDE3 (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214073)

I imagine it'll have XF86 4.2.0... which means full screen TV for 3dfx cards.

OK, OK, so it doesn't really matter to all that many people. Matters to me, though. The havoc I caused installing xf86 4.2.0 on RH7.2 the first time... *shudder*...

Will the essentials be fixed? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3213996)

I wonder if the basic tools are OK in this distribution. I've had to recompile stuff from RH6.2 to 7.2 because there has been so much broken in 7.x.

Take grep for example - don't you think this is essential? Try this:

Put some test text with scandinavic letters into text file, and try to grep it:
grep -i "[Ä]" test.txt

Hey presto - core dump. (At least this was the case with RH71)

grep -i "[dhjklmnprstv][aeiouyÄÖ][dhjklmnprstv]ai" test.txt

And nothing happens even if you would have text that doesn't match.

I can live with it, but it makes one rather pissed when trying to do some scripting.

And lets not forget the dhcpd, which simply doesn't seem to fire up correctly when started for one network interface in machine where there is many. Luckily dhcpd from rh62 works like charm.

Re:Will the essentials be fixed? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214020)

From the man page:

BUGS
Email bug reports to bug-gnu-utils@gnu.org. Be sure to
include the word "grep" somewhere in the "Subject:" field.

Large repetition counts in the {m,n} construct may cause
grep to use lots of memory. In addition, certain other
obscure regular expressions require exponential time and
space, and may cause grep to run out of memory.

Backreferences are very slow, and may require exponential
time.

Have you mailed in your bugs?
Or better still - try to fix it yourself.

Re:Will the essentials be fixed? (2)

jfedor (27894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214029)


Put some test text with scandinavic letters into text file, and try to grep it:
grep -i "[Ä]" test.txt

Hey presto - core dump. (At least this was the case with RH71)


Sorry, no core dump on my systems (RH7.1 and 7.2).


grep -i "[dhjklmnprstv][aeiouyÄÖ][dhjklmnprstv]ai" test.txt

And nothing happens even if you would have text that doesn't match.


Works for me.

(what you meant was "text that does match", I take it)

-jfedor

Re:Will the essentials be fixed? (3, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214114)

I can't reproduce this on any of our boxes, including 7.1, 7.2 and current beta installations.

A backtrace submitted to Bugzilla [redhat.com] helps getting things fixed - how are we supposed to fix something we don't even know breaks for you? (Chances are this is a very weird local setup problem)

Keeping the good stuff for 8.0, I guess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3213999)

Like kernel-level ALSA, and Mozilla 1.0. Two great bullet points to put on a shrinkwrapped box.

old Gnome included (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214000)

Why didn't they wait until Gnome 2.0 is out? I think that would be worth delaying a release...

Re:old Gnome included (1)

prog-guru (129751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214078)

Why didn't they wait until Gnome 2.0 is out? I think that would be worth delaying a release...

Knowing RedHat, I would expect them to put the development version in the final release.

That's OK though, sometimes it seems like nothing would get finished unless RedHat releases a broken version and everyone rushes to fix it. Kind of like a kick in the ass for OSS.

Re:old Gnome included (1)

Tremul (190113) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214141)

Because, Gnome 2.0 will be out about the same time that HURD comes out.

Re:old Gnome included (2)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214200)

Why didn't they wait until Gnome 2.0 is out?

Nobody can foretell when this happens; chances are the current release plans will be delayed again or the 2.0 release will be as broken as some early 0.10 releases.

Also, since it totally breaks the API and most applications haven't been ported to the new API, staying with 1.x for a while has some additional reasons.

Important: does it support Beowulf clustering? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214003)

see subject.

thanks in advance.

KDE 3.0 rc3 (2, Interesting)

AntiNorm (155641) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214004)

Was Mandrake 8.2 supposed to come with this as well? I seem to recall reading somewhere that it (mdk 8.2) had both KDE 2.x and 3.0rc3 available. But I can't find 3.0rc3 anywhere on it.

Where is CUPS? (2, Informative)

lessthan0 (176618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214007)

I stopped using Red Hat circa 7.1 because of their very broken print system. I checked the CHANGELOG and found no reference to CUPS. Why the hell don't they start including CUPS like every other major distro? It is the best print system out there for *nix IMHO.

Oh well, life is good with SuSE so that's where I'll stay.

Re:Where is CUPS? (4, Insightful)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214041)

Why don't you just go install cups? Why must you not use something just because it doesn't come with the dist? I agree, CUPS rocks, and I use it, on my RH7.2 box.

Re:Where is CUPS? (3, Informative)

nconway (86640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214075)

From the release notes linked to in the article:

Currently, Red Hat Linux offers Sendmail and Postfix as two Mail Transport Agent (MTA) alternatives. For print daemon alternatives, the choices are LPRng and CUPS. The configurations for LPRng and CUPS are completely separate. If you switch from one printing system to another, you will have to reconfigure your printers.

Re:Where is CUPS? (5, Interesting)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214077)

CUPS 1.1.14 is included, and Qt, KDE and wine are compiled with libcups support.

Re:Where is CUPS? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214086)

Uhh. Cups is there. Maybe not default, but the rpms are available:

cups-1.1.14-10.i386.rpm [redhat.com]

cups-devel-1.1.14-10.i386.rpm [redhat.com]

cups-drivers-1.1-0.20020313.1.i386.rpm [redhat.com]

cups-drivers-hpijs-1.1-0.20020313.1.i386.rpm [redhat.com]

cups-drivers-pnm2ppa-1.1-0.20020313.1.i386.rpm [redhat.com]

cups-libs-1.1.14-10.i386.rpm [redhat.com]

Re:Where is CUPS? (1)

Eros (6631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214124)

You didn't check jack, straight from the Release Notes:


For print daemon alternatives, the choices are LPRng and CUPS. The configurations for LPRng and CUPS are completely separate. If you switch from one printing system to another, you will have to reconfigure your printers.


Next time RTFM!

Re:Where is CUPS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214180)

Please Redhat - KILL LPRng finally!

It's shit! it's crap! and there is nothing that LPRng can do that CUPS can't!

Do u think recompiling KDE 2.2.2 from scratch (ok, kdelibs, kdebase) is fun just because RH support crap? it's not!

gcc3? (2, Informative)

nd (20186) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214008)

Anyone else notice that there are no longer gcc3 packages included (as with RH 7.2, although it was optional).

Skipjack includes only an updated version of 2.96.

Re:gcc3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214061)

Actually they are trying to ship it with gcc 3.1. However RMS admits it probably wont be ready for redhats shipping date. RH is just reverting back to the original gcc 2.96 and is going to put gcc 3.1 in the next distro. Not to mention distro's compilied wtih gcc 2.95 and glibc 2.2 are not compatable with distro's compilied on glibc2.3 with gcc 3.1. This makes it a useless development platform. So that could of been the second reason.

Go to the rawhide directory at redhats website and you will see the alpha version of gcc 3.1 is standard with earlier alpha versions of 7.3. gcc 3.0 has serious issues compiling c++ programs like kde so its not even considered for standard use even though its included if you want to use it.

Out of nowhere... (1)

Yorrike (322502) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214009)

That was unexpected.

I was expecting the next RH to be RH8.0 and for it to be released with Gnome 2.0 as the default desktop. Having an x.3 seems a bit wrong.....

Looks like I'll be spending a good deal of time DLing and testing this at work on Monday (Ah flatrate 100Mbit fibre connections, how sweet thou are).

Skipjack? Out?! (-1)

NowIveSeenItAllGuy (236625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214010)

Now I've seen it all!

5 CD's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214037)

5 CD's and they don't have room for Afterstep in the thing? That just sucks. I'll move to Mandrake.

Who is Xenu? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214042)

I'm going to tell you a story. Are you sitting comfortably? Right, then I'll begin.
Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.

That is the end of the story. And so today everyone is full of these clusters of souls called "body thetans". And if we are to be a free soul then we have to remove all these "body thetans" and pay lots of money to do so. And the only reason people believe in God and Christ was because it was in the film their body thetans saw 75 million years ago.

Well what did you think of that story?

What? You thought it was a stupid story?

Well so do we. However, this story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology*. If people knew about this story then most people would never get involved in it. This story is told to you when you reach one of their secret levels called OT III. After that you are supposed to telepathically communicate with these body thetans to make them go away. You have to pay a lot of money to get to this level and do this (or you have to work very hard for the organisation on extremely low pay for many years).

We are telling you this story as a warning. If you become involved with Scientology then we would like you to do so with your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains.

Most of the Scientologists who work in their Dianetics* centres and so called "Churches" of Scientology* do not know this story since they are not allowed to hear it until they reach the secret "upper" levels of Scientology*. It may take them many years before they reach this level if they ever do. The ones who do know it are forced to keep it a secret and not tell it to those people who are joining Scientology*.

Now you have read this you know their big secret. Don't let us put you off joining though.

* Dianetics and Scientology are trademarks of the Religious Technology Centre. This document is not connected with that organisation in any way.

Slashdotted! RELEASE-NOTES (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214053)

Red Hat Linux 7.2.92 Release Notes

Copyright © 2002 by Red Hat, Inc.

Table of Contents
[1]Anaconda/Installer Notes
[2]Distribution General Notes

Anaconda/Installer Notes

Miscellaneous

* The standalone upgrade mode (typing linux upgrade at the boot
prompt) is no longer supported.
* Installation from an NFS directory that contains all of the
required ISO files is now supported. Additionally, if a file
called updates.img exists in the directory from which you install,
then it will be used for Anaconda updates.
Refer to the file install-methods.txt in the Anaconda RPM package
for detailed information on the various ways to install Red Hat
Linux, as well as how to apply Anaconda updates.
* ISO images now have an md5sum embedded in them. To test the
checksum integrity of an ISO image, type linux mediacheck at the
installation boot prompt. The installation program will prompt you
to insert a CD and select OK to perform the checksum operation.
This checksum operation can be performed on any Red Hat Linux CD
and in any order. It is strongly recommended to perform this
operation on any Red Hat Linux CD that were created from
downloaded ISO images. This procedure only works with CD-based
installations.

Distribution General Notes

There are observed issues upgrading Red Hat Linux 6.x, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, and
7.2.92 systems running Ximian GNOME. The issue is caused by version
overlap between the official Red Hat Linux RPMs and the Ximian RPMs. Please
be aware that this is a configuration unsupported by Red Hat. You have
several choices in resolving this issue:

* You may remove Ximian GNOME from your Red Hat Linux system prior
to upgrading Red Hat Linux.
* You may upgrade Red Hat Linux, and then immediately reinstall
Ximian GNOME.
* You may upgrade Red Hat Linux, and then immediately remove all
remaining Ximian RPMs, and replace them with the corresponding Red
Hat Linux RPMs.

You must resolve the version overlap using one of the above methods.
Failure to do so will result in an unstable GNOME configuration.

* KDE has been updated to 3.0.0 and includes usability enhancements
as well as some new applications and features.
Anti-aliased fonts may appear to be non-functioning after the
upgrade to KDE 3.0.0. This issue is related to a feature addition:
Due to the Qt 3.0 update, it is now possible to use anti-aliased
and non-antialiased fonts at the same time in Qt applications.
Since the default fonts for the KDE desktop environment are bitmap
fonts and therefore can not be anti-aliased, just turning on the
enable anti-aliased fonts button in KDE will not modify the look
of all applications. To get anti-aliased fonts in menus, window
titles, etc., change the fonts for these elements (for example, by
replacing Helvetica with Helmet and Courier with
Lucidatypewriter).
* Red Hat Linux now includes a port of the Debian alternatives
system, as a way to support multiple packages providing a
particular service. Every binary/file that would be in common
between the multiple packages is replaced with a symlink to /etc;
this then resolves to the version of that file for the alternative
in question. For example:
/usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/mta ->
/usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail
These symlinks are added and managed by /usr/sbin/alternatives.
See man 8 alternatives for more details
Currently, Red Hat Linux offers Sendmail and Postfix as two Mail
Transport Agent (MTA) alternatives. For print daemon alternatives,
the choices are LPRng and CUPS.
The configurations for LPRng and CUPS are completely separate. If
you switch from one printing system to another, you will have to
reconfigure your printers.
* By default, the Sendmail mail transport agent (MTA) does not
accept network connections from any host other than the local
computer. If you want to configure Sendmail as a server for other
clients, please edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change
DAEMON_OPTIONS to also listen on network devices or comment out
this option all together. You will need to regenerate
/etc/sendmail.cf by running:
m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/sendmail.cf
Note that you must have the sendmail-cf package installed for this
to work.
* The Sendmail mail transport agent (MTA) has been update to version
8.12.2 and is no longer setuid root. Because of this, the mail
queueing functionality needs to be able to connect to the mail
server running on the local machine. Hence, DAEMON=no in
/etc/sysconfig/sendmail is now ignored.
* Formatting DocBook XML documents using the XSL stylesheet language
is now possible. For more information, refer to the xmlto(1)
manual page.
* The DocBook document type definitions (DTDs) have been merged into
one RPM package called docbook-dtds.
* The gPhoto2 package has been added to the distribution. gPhoto2 is
a software application and interface library for digital cameras.
The gPhoto2 package also includes gtKam, a graphical digital
camera interface that uses gPhoto2. Kamera, KDE integration of
digital cameras, has been added, as well. The older gphoto
application (0.4.3) is deprecated and may be removed in a future
release.
* The xscanimage program has been deprecated and may be removed in a
future release of Red Hat Linux. The xsane program should be used
instead.
* The patchutils package of utilities for manipulating patch files
is now included. Patch files are often used in software
development.
* The glibc-kernheaders package has been added and will replace the
kernel-headers package.

References

1. file://localhost/tmp/html-7MTIi7#ANACONDA-INSTALLE R-NOTES
2. file://localhost/tmp/html-7MTIi7#GENERAL-NOTES

I can't help but wonder... (2)

wedg (145806) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214063)

...if this is a reply to Mandrake's 8.2 release? I mean, Mandrake offers everything RedHat does, and more, in my opinion. Maybe they're worried about losing their chunk of the biz.

Maybe not.

Re:I can't help but wonder... (3, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214169)

It isn't.
It doesn't work the "Oh, we need to push a new release out of the door, let's call the current rawhide a beta!" way.

There is a QA cycle even for beta releases to make sure people who aren't asking for it (by using rawhide) aren't getting completely broken stuff.

Thank you for not coming out with RedHat 8 (1)

colonel (4464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214064)

I know you guys'll read the comments here because of the sick fucks that you are, so I figure this is as good a place as any to thank you for not coming out with RH8, and for going with a point release.

RedHat 8 would have made my life miserable by breaking compatability without a good reason. Thanks.

How do I upgrade? (2)

jfedor (27894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214069)

From the release notes:
The standalone upgrade mode (typing linux upgrade at the boot prompt) is no longer supported.

So how do I upgrade?

-jfedor

Re:How do I upgrade? (5, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214128)

You boot in normal install mode and then select "Upgrade" when it prompts you for installation type.

The choice has been moved from the boot loader to the {T,G}UI.

How to remove Ximian Gnome ? (3, Interesting)

motox (312416) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214084)

Is there an automated and clean way to do it ?

Re:How to remove Ximian Gnome ? (1, Informative)

matze235 (568521) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214127)

rpm -qa|grep ximian|rpm -e --force --nodeps didn't test it..

Re:How to remove Ximian Gnome ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214134)

How I did it: removed X with rm -rf /usr/X11R6, make world from the X11 source tarball, installed, and installed enlightenment 15-5 (not the newer bloated version)

Its minimalistic, seems 10x faster, yet still powerful.

Re:How to remove Ximian Gnome ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214145)

sudo apt-get remove ximian-gnome


Oh, wait you're using a crap package system. Can't help you there.

Re:How to remove Ximian Gnome ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214155)

Sure, just go to the Start Menu, select "Settings", then "Control Panel", then "Add/Remove Programs"...

Oh, I forgot, this is Unix, and uninstall script compliance is spotty to non-existent.

And people wonder why Bill Gates is laughing all the way to the bank. When the Linux community wakes up and realizes that the desktop will never accept Linux on technical jargon alone but instead will require it to be at least as user friendly and Windows, then perhaps progress will be made.

In the meantime, all you Linux zealots out there keep blathering on about how superior Linux is and how it's going to take over the desktop "any day now". I hear pigs are growing wings, too.

Re:How to remove Ximian Gnome ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3214195)

D00d, that's so 20th-century. apt-get remove program kicks billyboys vi-using ass so bad it's embarrasing for him.

Re:How to remove Ximian Gnome ? (2)

jfedor (27894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214163)

Did you try using Red Carpet?

("Get Software" from the "System" menu or just run "red-carpet" from the command line)

-jfedor

What? No ISOs on RHN? Grrr..... (3, Interesting)

weave (48069) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214126)

I talked my boss into paying a few grand a year to redhat for their workgroup Redhat Network to 1) make my life easier and 2) to support the company and 3) priority download and ISO image downloads to paying customers.

So I gleefully logon to grab a set of beta ISOs and get some real value out of this subscription and what do I find as far as 7.3 beta goes? Jack. :-(

Come on Redhat...

When 7.3 final comes out, will it show up on rhn at the same time it goes on the public ftp site at least?

No GNOME 2.0?!? (1)

ovadose (19370) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214129)

It seemed like Red Hat were holding this release back as long as possible to try to squeeze GNOME 2.0 in. With the release so imminent, I guess they ran out of time and had to stick with 1.4.1. Shame.

Should delay 8.0 (1)

restive (542491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214153)

I think this is a good move, releasing a point release instead of a full .0 version.
Save 8.0 for:
-- Mozilla 1.x
-- KDE 3.0
-- GNOME 2.0
as well as some other nice software sets getting ready to release major versions.

I'm not about to try 7.3 in beta. I'm happy enough with Slackware 8.0 at present. Plus, Slackware AND Mandrake are already at 8.0 or higher versions...doesn't that mean it's better? :)

Re:Should delay 8.0 (1)

Account 10 (565119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3214196)

at 8.0 or higher versions...doesn't that mean it's better?

Absolutely! [microsoft.com]
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