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LoTR Takes 4 Oscars

CmdrTaco posted about 12 years ago | from the maybe-next-year dept.

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E1ven writes "The Lord of The Rings: The fellowship of the ring won four awards, including Cinematography, Makeup, Music (Score), and Visual Effects. " At least they have 2 more chances for Best Picture or Best Director. They definitely deserved the ones they got.

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How many do you think Two Towers is going to win? (3, Funny)

The Great Wakka (319389) | about 12 years ago | (#3221082)

A little OT, but...

Next year's Oscars may not have as many other good films. Do you think that the Two Towers is the likely canidate for next years?

Re:How many do you think Two Towers is going to wi (-1)

CofWheat (464490) | about 12 years ago | (#3221099)

I want to touch Terry Hillson's pantyhosed legs YUm YUm

Re:How many do you think Two Towers is going to wi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221104)

good films? the oscars? shake your head Wakka.

case in point : beautiful mind. mediocre film, mediocre acting, best picture oscar.

same old same old.

Re:How many do you think Two Towers is going to wi (2, Insightful)

psamuels (64397) | about 12 years ago | (#3221148)

Next year's Oscars may not have as many other good films. Do you think that the Two Towers is the likely canidate for next years?

Well, my guess is that Two Towers won't be as impressive as Fellowship, because the ground has already been broken. Everyone now knows what Peter Jackson's Middle Earth looks and feels like. The rest of the trilogy, while I'm sure it will be great and I can't wait to see it, just won't have the same power to overawe the viewer.

Unless the sequels strike off into new territory - better special effects, for example - they will be "just sequels". Which is fine by me ... the source material is one huge book, and I want to eventually watch a 9-hour LOTR marathon and see it as one huge movie ... but not so fine for continued Academy Awards.

Re:How many do you think Two Towers is going to wi (2, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | about 12 years ago | (#3221154)

Next year's Oscars may not have as many other good films. Do you think that the Two Towers is the likely canidate for next years?
But it will have the next Star Wars installment to battle for the technical visual effects/art design/make up/costume. On top of that, the make up will be less novel (excluding new characters: Ents) plus the desire for a consistent visual will mean they'll still be using (essentially) last years tech.

LOTR will never get best picture (0, Troll)

Hairy_Potter (219096) | about 12 years ago | (#3221102)

for fantasy films are never considered serious enough by the academy for people to vote for, all the voters want to show how important and meaningful Hollywood is by choosing the film that's serious and has a meaningful message. So, forgot about a fantasy film, a sci-fi film or a comedy ever getting best picture,it's always going to be a dreary mainstream serious film.


Plus, what person would be so insensitive to vote for the best picture for a film entitled The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age? I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (2, Insightful)

ellem (147712) | about 12 years ago | (#3221122)

<i>I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.</i>

Dude I was there and I don't hope he changes the name. Enough! The towers should still be in Spiderman too.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (2, Funny)

Teknogeek (542311) | about 12 years ago | (#3221128)

Plus, what person would be so insensitive to vote for the best picture for a film entitled The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age? I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.
What idiot modded this guy up? If we went around changing classic works of literature to keep anyone from being offended, you'd lose all those sexual innuendos that make Shakespeare so much fun to read!

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (3, Insightful)

ZaMoose (24734) | about 12 years ago | (#3221137)

Oh please. All of this post-911 oversensitivity crap really has me on edge. Editing references to the towers out of NYC-based movies, "Fireman-chic", etc. and now you want to change the name of a movie (which has nothing to do with terrorism, NYC, or even any real place, for that matter) based upon being "sensitive"? Come on.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (1)

psamuels (64397) | about 12 years ago | (#3221206)

Oh please. All of this post-911 oversensitivity crap really has me on edge.

Hear hear! It's not like the plot calls for winged Nazgûl dive-bombing Isengard.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (2)

myc (105406) | about 12 years ago | (#3221153)

Plus, what person would be so insensitive to vote for the best picture for a film entitled The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age? I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.

I most certainly hope that he does NOT change the name. What does the title of a book written 60 years ago have anything at all to do with current events? Tragic as events were, political correctness and sensitivity can go too far.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (4, Insightful)

hooded1 (89250) | about 12 years ago | (#3221155)

Insensitive?? That book was named before the friggin buildings were built. Why should it have to change its name because some psychos blew up the buildings that stole its name?

We can't suddenly start censoring reality because something horribly happened. If we did that we are injuring our freedoms as Americans. And if we lose these freedoms then what is left of the country? The power of the United States comes from the incredibly smart men who drafyted the constitution and design our government. They gave us what no other country had, freedom. If that freedom is taken away then all is lost, the initials U-S-A mean nothing, the terrorists will have won.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (1)

Jburkholder (28127) | about 12 years ago | (#3221270)

Please do not feed the trolls (or make serious replies to them just because some idiot moderator modded insightful).

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (3, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | about 12 years ago | (#3221167)

If he changes the name I swear to god I'm going to fly a crack team of the finest slashdot veteran trolls to kiwiland to follow him wherever he goes.

The politicaly correct are weak willed psuedo-intellectuals that would not know how to hold a book without pictures right side up if the utne reader did not come that way. Those that feel justifed in meeting social problems with expedient political solutions that are far removed from the root causes of the situation should be drove to the sea and forced to crawl back in till they evolve a suitably advanced brain for deductive logic.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (2)

Bearpaw (13080) | about 12 years ago | (#3221184)

Those that feel justifed in meeting social problems with expedient political solutions that are far removed from the root causes of the situation should be drove to the sea and forced to crawl back in till they evolve a suitably advanced brain for deductive logic.

That's a great idea, but the Secret Service might object.

not true! (2, Insightful)

dollargonzo (519030) | about 12 years ago | (#3221172)

annie hall (woody allen) was a great comedy. the problem lies in the fact that comedies these days are mostly slapstick and rather cheap humor; when a good comedy comes out such as annie hall the acedemy considers plenty...

QED

Re:not true! (2)

Chundra (189402) | about 12 years ago | (#3221294)

What person would be so insensitive to claim this about a film named after a woman (a woman!) in this post Sun Yi age? I hope Woody Allen shows a little sensitivity and changes the name. That disgusting sexual deviant.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (3, Interesting)

gowen (141411) | about 12 years ago | (#3221205)

what person would be so insensitive to vote for the best picture for a film entitled The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age
Ignoring this (splendid) troll, what I found most interesting about the Oscar ceremony was that, early on, Whoopi made a joke based around the September 11th events. (A reference to "the national tragedy suffered this year" turned out to be about Mariah Carey's acting career). This is a sea change compared to every previous reference in the US media, which quite understandably, has tended to treat as beyond any joke. My desire to indulge in uninformed psychology tells me this must mean something about the nation's mood, but I don't know what.

Of course, Tom Cruise's nauseatingly self-congratulatory "we need Hollywood more than ever" intro took the edge off this.

But Nora Ephron's tribute to New York movies was brilliant. In fact, the short specially-produced films were the highlight of the entire show.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221211)

Plus, what person would be so insensitive to vote for the best picture for a film entitled The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age? I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.

Are you nuts???

The book is called The Two Towers, and the book was written before the towers in New York where build.

Just becourse a couple of buildings in NYC fell over and a few thousand people got killed that's no reason to go around renaming stuff that happens to have the same name.
Get over it!

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221215)

The real question is when will a snuff film be nominated for best picture and will the actress get her prize posthomously?

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (3, Funny)

fruey (563914) | about 12 years ago | (#3221226)

it's always going to be a dreary mainstream serious film.

Well, I don't think that is entirely fair. For all the hype, crap and bullshit that goes with each Oscars ceremony, what it is really about is universal appeal to a panel who all want to pick a good film that is somehow "universal".

Mainstream films are the only films that ever get a look-in at the Oscars, but comedies have won. Some people might even say that LOTR is a great book, but a dreary mainstream adaption. Visual effects aside, I didn't find the characters anywhere near as pensive or wrapped up in their world as in the book.

And, of course, no comment about your comment about changing names of films, but a couple of references for the fun of it:

  1. The film, for most cinema goers, will be called Lord of the Rings II anyway
  2. People made similar suggestions for SWII (The Clone Wars) because of cloning paranoia
  3. The Madness of Richard III (British film) was renamed (without the III) in American cinemas because audiences believed it was a follow-up to Madness of Richard II which they obviously hadn't seen.

He is a masterful troll, if such a thing exists. (2, Insightful)

little_fluffy_clouds (441841) | about 12 years ago | (#3221229)


Plus, what person would be so insensitive to vote for the best picture for a film entitled The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age? I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.

"9-11" should get the same treatment that "Nazi" gets on Usenet.

"Won't get trolled again", with apologies to The Who.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (2)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | about 12 years ago | (#3221241)

Get real.

The WTC was usually referred to as the "twin towers" not the "two towers".

If Peter Jackson changes the name of the movie for that feeble reason then you'd better find a replacement for him because a brilliant man has obviously had a major stroke.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (3, Insightful)

sharkey (16670) | about 12 years ago | (#3221258)

...The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age? I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.

Absolutely! Only by forgetting the past, erasing painful images, and ignoring anything that makes anyone, anywhere the least bit uncomfortable, can we get on with our blissful, ignorant lives under the rule of our teleprompter programmers who tell our "elected" officials what to say and do.

Perhaps we can also finally put to rest those rumors of a "Holocaust" in Germany in the late '30s and early '40s. But you probably have already managed to put any reference to THAT out of sight and out of mind as well.

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221291)

I would be pissed if he changed the name. The book, The Two Towers, has been around for several decades; the Twin Towers of NYC for a few. Besides, enough movies already got changed and sidetracked because of Sep 11, even when there wasn't any actual relation between the movie and the event.

But...if that's too insensitive, then maybe Jackson should rename it "Attack of the Clones".

Re:LOTR will never get best picture (2)

tswinzig (210999) | about 12 years ago | (#3221302)

all the voters want to show how important and meaningful Hollywood is by choosing the film that's serious and has a meaningful message.

First of all, LOTR has many 'serious messages.' More so than A Beautiful Mind.

So, forgot about a fantasy film, a sci-fi film or a comedy ever getting best picture,it's always going to be a dreary mainstream serious film.

LOTR *is* a serious film, and no, the movie that wins doesn't have to be 'serious.' Forrest Gump was essentially a comedy, and won. The Sting was not a 'serious' movie, and won.

Plus, what person would be so insensitive to vote for the best picture for a film entitled The Two Towers in this post 9-11 age? I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.

You are insane! The books were written and titled decades ago. I hope (no, I KNOW) Peter Jackson is not going to change the title. If anything, LOTR is a perfect movie for these post 9/11 times, the ultimate story of good vs. evil.

YHBT (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221319)

For the love of god, he's got a link to adequacy in his sig.

Which "two chances" would those be? (2)

ZaMoose (24734) | about 12 years ago | (#3221105)

The two remaining movies? Or is Taco talking about the Blockbuster Awards... *chuckle*

Re:Which "two chances" would those be? (2)

Dephex Twin (416238) | about 12 years ago | (#3221143)

The two remaining movies? Or is Taco talking about the Blockbuster Awards... *chuckle*

I figured Taco meant the next two movies in the LOTR series would have a chance as well.

mark

Re:Which "two chances" would those be? (1)

nite_warrior (151737) | about 12 years ago | (#3221182)

He is talking about the Oscars for the 2002 and 2003 with the next 2 movies from LOTR (The Two Towers and The Return of The King) I'm hoping those two will get more credit than the first one, but it'll be hard desition next year, between Two Towers and The Attack of the Clones.. I'm really looking forward for those two to come out

Amelie gets zilch nada (3, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | about 12 years ago | (#3221109)

Which goes a long way to explain why I don't watch the academy award shows. It's more political and business than what really should be done, but, hey they have to sell advertising time while they pat themselves on their backs, right?

Re:Amelie gets zilch nada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221176)

You are right "Amelie" was my fav film last year.
I think slashdot types might like it too - there's the mystery with the stripes of photos to be solved.

Re:Amelie gets zilch nada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221177)

Of course. We all know it's the homosexuals that control Hollywood, so it's all about the "cucumber", ie politics and business.

It's a little bit like this:
http://goatse.cx/contrib/goatsex.swf

Re:Amelie gets zilch nada (2, Funny)

Teknogeek (542311) | about 12 years ago | (#3221183)

We all know it's the homosexuals that control Hollywood
Then explain Ian McKellan not winning an Oscar.

Re:Amelie gets zilch nada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221341)

Ian has contol of "The Giver" and will be arriving in jon katz's immediate area in 30 minutes to pleasure him for the love of the man. Ian is not gay but he can wield powerful semen producing boytoys with the best of them like the creator of the muppet babies.

Re:Amelie gets zilch nada (2)

jonr (1130) | about 12 years ago | (#3221185)

Like spoken from my heart!
And best original script?!? Gosford Park? A Agatha Christie wannabe! Memento and Amélie were in different league than that drivel. TFOTR never had a chance; A fantasy directed by the guy who made Bad Taste? Sureley people didn't really believe that he would get an oscar?
I just hope that Hollywood producers strain their self padding themself on the back! Bah!

Re:Amelie gets zilch nada (2, Insightful)

ziggles (246540) | about 12 years ago | (#3221196)

ok, let me ask you something. did you see all of the nominees in the best foreign film category? if not then I hardly think you have the right to say that Amelie deserved it more than the others. If so, well sorry to tell you, the academy awards aren't all about the "best" movie, because obviously no one can say what's best, it's a matter of opinion.

Perhaps it's in the Plan (3, Insightful)

gandalf_grey (93942) | about 12 years ago | (#3221110)

Knowing that Little Ronnie hadn't gotten one yet, and that Mr. Jackson will be back for 2 years in a row, they decided to hold off?

Re:Perhaps it's in the Plan (2)

Bearpaw (13080) | about 12 years ago | (#3221198)

Maybe they'll do a special accomplishment award for the entire trilogy?

4 out of 13 (3, Interesting)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | about 12 years ago | (#3221113)

It did better than E.T. [slashdot.org] but it was disappointing that the film didn't win one of the 4 "major" awards (Best Picture/Actor/Actress/Director

A complete list of winners and nominees is here [cnn.com].

Re:4 out of 13 (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 12 years ago | (#3221187)

Ok, since you mentioned E.T. and it's coming out again with a few minutes added and a bunch of enhancements (strategic placement of new Reese's candy?) it could be nominated for some classifications next year.

"Nominations for best re-release of a schmaltzy little kid and his alien picture are..."

Re:4 out of 13 (1)

Plutor (2994) | about 12 years ago | (#3221245)

It was only nominated for two of the four "major awards", and it seems unlikely that in the diverging plot lines of Two Towers and Return of the King any character will have enough screen time to be considered more than a "Supporting Actor".

And BTW, usually the major awards are considered to include one of the Best Screenplay awards. The last movie to win all of the Big Five was Silence of the Lambs.

The deserved it (0)

dante101vr2 (144352) | about 12 years ago | (#3221121)

It is nice to see after all the hardwork they were rewarded but I think it would have been great to see they take the show. Well awards or not they put together a great film!

Next 2 Films (0, Redundant)

stoolpigeon (454276) | about 12 years ago | (#3221130)

will probably do the same.

I figured that LotR was so big and got so many nominations that they had to give it some awards. But it is not the kind of film to win the "Big" Oscars.

What surprised me is that Moulin Rouge did not do better.

What did not surprise me is that Russel Crow did not get a chance to read any poetry.

.

nevermind the crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221139)

I could not watch the awards last night. Just too long. However I think that Ian Mccullen should have got the nod instead of that guy in IRIS...

Screenplay adaptation?! (4, Insightful)

MadAhab (40080) | about 12 years ago | (#3221141)

My only comment is that I can't believe they didn't win for best screenplay adaptation. I've reread the books since seeing FotR and it's amazing how many changes they made without subverting the original story, and how many smart decisions they made about compacting the story for the screen, and yet how much original dialogue made it into the film word for word. It's not easy satisfying rabid fans while also meeting the needs of the film. There was even a bit of commentary during the awards that the film almost wasn't made because it was deemed to difficult to bring it to the screen. No one said that about Beautiful Mind.

Well, I'll bet they've got two more chances at this one.

Re:Screenplay adaptation?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221236)

LoTR was more about visual effects than it was about story. The story was SEVERELY lacking! It didn't stand much of a chance in that screenplay category. It did won what it should have won, that is, effects awards. However, when it came to winning a "big" award, it just couldn't do it.

No Kidding!! (1, Redundant)

green pizza (159161) | about 12 years ago | (#3221295)

Hear Hear! Of all the movies over the past year, LOTR had **by far** the most substance (costumes, set design, effects, atmosphere, actors -- not just a few scenes in downtown LA or in some dark studio). But yet it was not created for film, it was an ADAPTATION! If that doesn't count for something towards Best Picture, then I don't know what does. And heck, they didn't even win for the best screenplay adaptation.

If this isn't Hollywood bias and ignorance, I don't know what is.

Re:No Kidding!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221349)

Maybe a (mostly) TRUE story about overcoming mental illness, love, and accomplishment in the fact of adversity is a little more important than Middle Earth and elves? Ever think of that pizza face?

late? (1, Redundant)

2MuchC0ffeeMan (201987) | about 12 years ago | (#3221145)

isn't this a little late?

beautiful mind already one the best picture and best director, making a total of four for them too... plus they got the better awards, not just the editing ones.

linkage: the winners and nominees listed here [cnn.com]

also, after her proformance last night, halle berry really is an actor...

score -1, troll... sorry, i just hate it when hollywood pats itself on the back for bad jobs.

Re:late? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221189)

>>also, after her proformance last night, halle berry really is an actor...

soft-core porn actor ?

Re:late? (1)

thing12 (45050) | about 12 years ago | (#3221197)

He meant that the next two movies in the Lord of the Rings series will have chances to win for best director, picture....

LOTR won Best Film & Best Director... (5, Interesting)

myraid (551033) | about 12 years ago | (#3221152)

In the UK our favourite film won 5 baftas (UK version of the Oscars) including Best Film and Best Director. See the BBC [bbc.co.uk] [news.bbc.co.uk] website for more info. My non-geek colleges all think that 'A Beautiful Mind' was 'OK', but 'LOTR' was 'blinding' - so what gives? Post-Sept-11 nationalism? Or genuine belief that LOTR wasn't one of the best films ever made?

Re:LOTR won Best Film & Best Director... (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 12 years ago | (#3221314)

no, just the fact that Fantacy films comedies and cartoons (eccept beuity and the beast only becasue Disney lobbied hard) never get best film.

they want people to play retards and crazy people or psudo-true historical crap. they need a film that shows a personal obsticle that can be over come.

they are sort of like puritins, if it feels good to watch, it must be a bad movie :-)

What were they thinking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221158)

Best score? That sappy, treacly, over-the-top annoying ever-present bit of saccharine? It was distracting!!

Why does /. have to concentrate on this film? (4, Insightful)

gmplague (412185) | about 12 years ago | (#3221164)

Why does /. have to concentrate on this film? Sure, it was certainly the most popular on /., but it would have been nice if you had said something like "A Beautiful Mind got the awards for best picture and best director." I dare say that A Beautiful Mind is also a film that alot of nerds found good. I mean, the movie is about a mathemetician who wins the nobel prize for pete's sake. And there were loads of other movies that the /. crowd really seemed to like as well.

This will probably get modded down as flamebait or troll, but whatever.

What really pisses me off... (0)

Teknogeek (542311) | about 12 years ago | (#3221165)

...is Ian McKellan getting gipped for Best Supporting Actor.

Did the Academy even see LotR? The guy's a genius...he's exactly how I imagined Gandalf to be.

But it's all politics, I guess...hated, hated politics.

I close this post with these words of Sir Alec Issigonis that sum up the Ocsars as a whole: "A camel is a horse designed by committee."

Re:What really pisses me off... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221254)

First off, I guarantee you never saw Iris, which is where the actor who won it performed. So you're the pot calling the kettle black. Second of all, I guarantee they all saw LoTR and weren't impressed with a childish wizard. He was like you imagined because of the make up artists, not because of any acting.

LOTR and Geekhood (1)

Vodak (119225) | about 12 years ago | (#3221170)

I know it's proably my Geekness talking but I think LOTR was a much better picture then the Best Picture winner last night.

Of course I'm strange as hell. I mean I enjoy watching digimon.. (Tamers is the best season so far)

State of the World (2, Interesting)

Pez69 (244209) | about 12 years ago | (#3221171)

You have to love the state that this world is when the biggest news of the day is which movie got an award. There has to be more important things that happen then an award show which for me personly has one maybe two movies that I have seen or have enev thought about seeing. Here in Ontario, Canada the premier of our province is retiring and his party just elected a new leader over the weekend. And just looking at the front page of todays paper, grant not a indepth look but all I saw was a big head line about some record at for the award show.

When I look at the newpaper I want had happened in the world over the past day or so that I didn't catch on the radio.

We as a society need to get our priorities start on what is important in the world. Yes is good to know that LOTR:FOTR won 4 awards which they desevered but that information should be in the entertantment section where it belongs, not the front page where important news should be.

Re:State of the World (4, Insightful)

Blackwulf (34848) | about 12 years ago | (#3221237)

We as a society need to get our priorities start on what is important in the world. Yes is good to know that LOTR:FOTR won 4 awards which they desevered but that information should be in the entertantment section where it belongs, not the front page where important news should be.

I completely agree.

When I look in the newspaper, I want to only read about the horrible atrocities that get me depressed about the state of our nation. There should be absolutely nothing pleasing at all on my front page, because I don't care if someone's happy. I only care about the sad things, and that's all I want to read about.

Re:State of the World (0)

lucky_duck (553295) | about 12 years ago | (#3221271)

what is important in the world
LOTR has been DAMN important to quite a few people as I see it...One of the best three hours I've ever spent sitting on my ass! Although it was asleep when I got out of the theatre :)

Re:State of the World (1)

Arimus (198136) | about 12 years ago | (#3221311)

Ahh... but the Oscars involves Holywood. Holywood involves money... no disrespect but your permier isn't one of the rich people and so isn't news worthy....

Yes I agree it is a sad state of afairs but unfortunatly to misquote the Clash (or the Jam?) The public wants what the public gets... and if holywood and overpaid underintelligent stars sell papers then that is what will get front pages.

I doubt it (2, Insightful)

teslatug (543527) | about 12 years ago | (#3221179)

At least they have 2 more chances for Best Picture or Best Director.

As far as the Academy is concerned the two other movies are just sequels and should not deserve more credit. Face it, unless they consider Sam a retard or re-shoot the scenes to let Russel Crow play someone they're not getting best picture.

LOTR should have won. (2, Interesting)

Parsa (525963) | about 12 years ago | (#3221188)

I truly believe LOTR should have won best picture. If you look at the history of the Oscars the film that got the most nominations always won best picture if it was nominated for that category. Yet no science fiction/fantasy movie has ever won either. I agree with one of the postings earlier that it's political. People can't seem to think of this genre of having any seriousness. I don't think they realize it's this type of movie/writing that keeps alive the myths, traditions, and legends.

The general public should read The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell just to see what is being saved.

The oscars aren't about the best films... (5, Insightful)

ari{Dal} (68669) | about 12 years ago | (#3221203)

The oscars have never been about the best films. From day 1 (back in 1927), they were all about hollywood patting itself on the back.
It was started by film and production executives, is chaired today by the same types of people. The only way to even get involved in the voting for the oscars is to be invited to join the Academy by the Board of Governers and is limited to 'those who have achieved distinction in the arts and sciences of motion pictures'. A link with the brief history is here [digitalhit.com].
You'll never see a movie like LotR take top honours, now or ever, for a very good reason. It's not in hollywood's best interest to admit that a 'silly' sci-fi, fantasy, or comedy movie was the best they had that year.
To sum up: the Oscars are of the hollywood crowd, for the hollywood crowd, by the hollywood crowd. This is why I never watch awards shows.

Re:The oscars aren't about the best films... (2, Redundant)

mark_lybarger (199098) | about 12 years ago | (#3221285)

exactly. it's all about whoring yourself out to the academy. the best whores normally come out on top. it's how it works in business, how it works in gov't why would we expect the movie industry to work any better? don't we loathe the MPAA here on the site?

Re:The oscars aren't about the best films... (2, Insightful)

kaisyain (15013) | about 12 years ago | (#3221318)

It's not in hollywood's best interest to admit that a 'silly' sci-fi, fantasy, or comedy movie was the best they had that year.

Your theory doesn't make much sense given that comedies like Annie Hall, fluff pieces like Shakespeare in Love, and fantasy like Gladiator and Titanic and Forrest Gump have all won Best Picture Awards. Do you really think The Sound of Music and Oliver! weren't "silly" films?

Maybe we didn't see The Fellowship of the Ring take top honors for best film because it didn't deserve it?

What happened with JLo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221210)

I for one was heartbroken to find that Jennifer Lopez didn't try to out-do last year's gown by coming wrapped solely in saran wrap. That pink thing she wore was far too conservative.

OSCAR NIGHT (1, Insightful)

areid (568789) | about 12 years ago | (#3221212)

I'm going to stray away from the usual soft and hardware conversation, and point out that for the first time in 74 years, a black actress, took the oscar home for best actress in a lead role. A BARRIER THAT MUCH NEEDED TO BE BROKE DOWN.

Can't win them all... (1)

nmnilsson (549442) | about 12 years ago | (#3221247)

It's too bad Gandalf, I mean McKellen, didn't get an Oscar. (It's been said before, but here we go) He sure did a great job as leading actor.
(Beacuse, admit it, if FOTR has a leading character, it is Gandalf)
Denzel deserves his Oscar, though.

LOTR Upset (2)

green pizza (159161) | about 12 years ago | (#3221248)

My entire apartment (not to mention most of the folks I know) is in an uproar over the academy's choices last night. LOTR rightfully deserved Best Picture, as well as best editing and best supporting actor (Gandolf). Perhaps this upset, more than anything else, will further support the "other" award events. I know it has for me, I have lost faith in the academy and their ability to spotlight the best of the best.

multipart movies (1)

argStyopa (232550) | about 12 years ago | (#3221268)

While I 100% agree that fantasy movies aren't 'serious enough' for the navel-contemplating academy, it stands to reason that a movie that is essentially 1 giant movie released in 3 parts (unlike, frex Star Wars or Jaws, where the sequels were rationalized appendices to the original movie) would not seriously come up for consideration until all 3 were out.
Yeah, it's not really fair but it makes a *kind* of sense.

Plus it's 99% who slept with whom. Shakespeare in Love won best pic over Saving Private Ryan, remember.

LOTR is just biding it's time (1)

LadyGuardian (568469) | about 12 years ago | (#3221275)

I figure that the academy is just waiting... They know that there are two more movies to go, with the final installment (hopefully) going to blow everything away when it is released. I would be happier if they clean up the awards that year rather than be ignored merely because they won it this year.

I know that movies should be judged in the Oscar season that they were made, but since when did the academy play fair?

CGI Overload! (1)

little_fluffy_clouds (441841) | about 12 years ago | (#3221293)


Was I the only one who actually became bored watching this film due to the intense CGI overload ? Don't get me wrong, I love a good CGI fest, but there is a level where enough is enough (Starship Troopers [imdb.com] is probably the best usage of CGI in my opinion). Also, this is obviously a film in which CGI must play a great part to "capture" the feeling of the book, but I felt like I was being pounded by Maya (or whatever it was, I am not cluebie enough on CGI) for three hours. Where do we draw the line ?

Best Director (5, Interesting)

Erore (8382) | about 12 years ago | (#3221297)

When you take into account the scope and work that Peter Jackson did, I don't see how he could not be voted best director.

He shot three films at the same time. Never Been Done Before.

He directed scenes in remote locations. Remote meaning remote from him. While he was directing local scenes. Never Been Done Before.

He created a beautiful work on screen of a masterpiece of fiction that most directors wouldn't even have the gonads to try. I don't agree with all his choices, but I respect them (well, not the Arwen character.)

While Ron Howard is a good director, and A Beautiful Mind was a nice film. Peter did so MUCH MORE and did it well that he deserves Best Director.

Now, as for Best Film. That is still a matter of taste. My movie choice wasn't even nominated.

Newsflash: LOTR was not the best picture of 2001! (3, Insightful)

isaac (2852) | about 12 years ago | (#3221305)

Sorry, guys, but no way in hell was LOTR:FOTR the best picture of 2001. I saw 5 films in 2001: Shrek, Amelie, LOTR, Waking Life, and The Royal Tenenbaums. LOTR wasn't even the third best film out of that limited selection.

I like Peter Jackson, too (Meet the Feebles is something else) but he wasn't the best director of the year, either.

And now, even though it has nothing to do with LOTR, I would like to once again razz the Oscars for not even nominating Waking Life for best animated film, instead picking 2 blockbusters (Shrek, Monsters Inc.) and a glorified Nickelodeon pilot (Jimmy Neutron).

Of course, this is to be expected - the Oscars are a crock of shit anyhow. Figure skating is a more objective contest with less corrupt judging. Basically, the winner in each category is decided by bloc voting and horse-trading by the studios who control the bulk of academy members - so says a former professor of mine who's a member of the academy and actually has an Oscar under his belt, whom I'm inclined to believe. Most Oscar voters haven't even seen all the films in the categories for which they're voting - there's just too damn many films up for consideration for anyone to watch and still have time to do anything else.

-Isaac

Oscars are a "Good Ole Boys" Club (4, Insightful)

rizzo (21697) | about 12 years ago | (#3221308)

The Oscars have worse judging than NBA referees, in terms of "make-up calls". The only reason Russel Crowe won last year was because people felt he should have won for LA Confidential. His acting was nothing phenominal.

This year's prime example is Randy Neuman (sp?) winning for best song for that Monsters Inc tune. That song sounded EXACTLY like his past 10 million movie songs. But the dear old Oscars club wasn't going to let him go 0 for 16. The LOTR Enya song was by far the best, even my wife agreed!

It's all a sham and show put on for the drooling masses who get to see their movie star idols act like their not assholes. I'm surprised Russel Crowe didn't bite a chunk out of Whoopi's neck when she cracked on him.

Pay no attention to these awards. George C. Scott was the only smart one in the bunch. He wasn't even there when he won best actor for Patton. He was home watching hockey. He believed that these "competitions" spoiled the quality of films, making them pander to the masses instead of trying to raise intellectual and artistic bars.

question... (1)

rtphokie (518490) | about 12 years ago | (#3221315)

What does it really matter if LOTR won or was nominatied for a dozen oscars or zero? Does this affect your enjoyment of the movie or the story any more or less? The quality of the resulting movie has zero affect on how non-scifi/fantasy fans view this class of story. They just see it as a good movie.

Sure, mod me down (2, Insightful)

fobbman (131816) | about 12 years ago | (#3221316)

It's only karma, so no biggie.

Why would a site that is so anti-MPAA give a hairy orcs ass what the MPAA thinks of a movie? The whole Oscars/Grammys/Emmys/Tonys thing is nothing more than a studio circle-jerk, and the People's Choice voting is simply the public regurgetating what they're told to like.

Excellent movies come out every year that kick major ASS on whatever winner is given the Oscar ("Gladiator"/"CTHD" comes to mind), and many of them aren't even nominated.

Next year... (1)

Chagatai (524580) | about 12 years ago | (#3221322)

I can see Two Towers getting some praise, but I think that Hollywood will have been partially "desensitized" to LoTR. Star Wars Ep II or Spider-Man will get some awards that could go in any of these directions. But, these awards are likely to be those more esoteric ones like "Best Sound Editing Using A Computer Underwater". These movies will make tons of money, but the blasted academy will never let them fly higher than a "Best Supporting Actor/Actress" position. Then again, when did the Academy ever have a sense of Geek?

In other words (3, Interesting)

sielwolf (246764) | about 12 years ago | (#3221324)

"The Lord of The Rings: The fellowship of the ring won four awards, including Cinematography, Makeup, Music (Score), and Visual Effects. "

In other words, it won all the meaningless ones. Sure, they're nice but does anyone actually remember who won any of those awards last year? 5 years ago? And it isn't like they are going to put that on any of the DVD boxes. FOTR was just a good fantasy movie and there is no way they could get around that.

Of course it wasn't like they came even close to choosing the best nominees. Denzel, in Training Day? Penn in I am Sam? WTF! They aren't even pretending to nominate favorite sons for good movies anymore (although their acting was suspect at least when Sean Connery and Burt Reynolds won they were for two good films). And don't get me started on the sham of a remake that was A Beautiful Mind (let's just say I know there is a special place in Hell for Opie now).

The Oscars are a sham. Does anyone remember Forrest Gump anymore? And what lost to it: Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, and Hoop Dreams.

What didn't get nominated this year for best picture or directing? Memento, Bully, Chopper, Ghost World, Monster's Ball, Mulholland Drive, Sexy Beast, Faithless... on and on. Any of which are deeper, more stylistic, more satisfying, and infinitely more memorable than any of the crappola that won or was nominated.

In truth they never meant anything. On the Waterfront lost and from that point on the Academy has been living a lie ever since.

Ok, that's it. I'm done.

Oscars? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221325)

Are they still giving those out? I thought it ended
when both Raging Bull and Elephant Man
lost to Ordinary People and everyone realized
what a joke it was.

"Academy"==MPAA (3, Interesting)

Dr. Spork (142693) | about 12 years ago | (#3221326)

Aaah, please stop encouraging these so-called "Academy" people. If you are going to pay attention to movie reviews, these seem like the least credible group to take advice from. The Academy voters are a bunch of ordinary shitheads living in the LA neighborhood with jobs related to the MPAA (like duct-taping microphone wires to the floor and doing on-set makeup). Yet, every year, we think that their judgement is the word of God, just because people cry when they find out they're popular with that demographic.

I think it's awful to look out on the front pages of many of the world's papers to see articles about who won. Why should this particular demographic deserve so much power? I take them to be only slightly more credible than Manhattan lawyers, and less credible than just about any other demographic. We have to stop thinking of them as anything more than one voice among many, and in this case, a voice of people whose explicit aim is to bring the world's entertainment under the dicratorship of the MPAA.

I for one would like to see an "I boycott Academy Best Pictures" campaign. Well, if one were to start now, it would not be very restrictive, as the Academy is sure to not even nominate the best films of any given year.

How LOTR can win more Oscars (5, Funny)

vjmurphy (190266) | about 12 years ago | (#3221330)

* Give Frodo a incurable disease;
* Have Gandalf take a shot to the head and be mentally impaired for the next two movies;
* Arwen's role in Two Towers should be to sleep with some Orc played by Billy Bob Thorton;
* Sam gets Rain Man autism;
* Strider overcomes his disabilities and is able to kill Orcs using only his left foot;

Remember when ET got the oscar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3221335)

Do you remember when ET got the oscar?
no? really? why?

IT DIDN'T GET ONE!

the academy wouldn't know a good movie
if it smacked them with a large trout.
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