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Old Sierra Games Breathe Anew

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the night-of-the-living-dead dept.

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Cow_With_Gun writes: "A small group named Tierra has taken it upon themself to resurrect the classic Sierra anthologies. So far they have brough King's Quest 1 up into the world of VGA and are working on other titles such as Quest for Glory 2 and King's Quest 2."

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Sierra Games, does anyone remember this (3, Interesting)

Burritos (535298) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225944)

The Incredible Machine is cool!

Re:Sierra Games, does anyone remember this (1)

DuncanMurray (448670) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226024)

absolutely - I even played it again a couple of months ago (while waiting for the other PC to install).

I think people are nuts chucking away old PCs - load up the 200M hard drive with 20-30 good games like Kings Quest etc, and it serves as a neat little backup PC. Even better, because its DOS and menu based they cant break it by dragging the Windows folder to the recycle bin.

Re:Sierra Games, does anyone remember this (2)

sharkey (16670) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226229)

oad up the 200M hard drive with 20-30 good games like Kings Quest etc

Yep. As soon as I can afford a new PC, my P-200 gets turned back into a DOS PC. Makes playing the old DOS games easier (Except Ultima 7). Privateer, TIE-Fighter, etc.

Re:Sierra Games, does anyone remember this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226046)

Wait, wait.. the first post was _on topic_? Who are you, and what have you done with our trolls?

and this is moded 'troll' why? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226135)

please explain to me, as I just don't get it?

Re:Sierra Games, does anyone remember this (2, Informative)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226222)

I'm replying to this post here, because there's soooo many suggestions all below fFor different games.

I personally am working on Hero6 [hero6.com] , which is sort of the root of a dozen other off-shoot games and groups. i'm really tied into the group, just now, and i encourage you to check it out.

to the point: the biggest fFactor with what gets reproduced is people to get motivated and start doing it. many groups were started by simply one person in another group getting an idea, and going with it. as with all programming projects, it requires an art person, a programming person, and possibly a "plot" person, and hopefully someone to pull it all together.

and i have fFound The GIMP [gimp.org] to be immeasurably useful in the art creation process. it has loads of scripts and tools, which do no end of good here.

There are several gaming engines which have already been produced, inluding MAD [slashdot.org] , and AGS [adventuredeveloper.com] . so you dont have to invent a whole game, necesarilly. you may just need some killer art work, and some good scripting!

Cheers!

Re:Sierra Games, does anyone remember this (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226245)

And lives on in "Puzzles In Motion" on my palm pilot :)

Now if only the developer would release the source, or re-compile to take advantage of the 320x320 resolution of my Clie...Mmmmmm.

first post? (-1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225945)

can it be?
can it?

No, it CANNOT be. (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225986)

But I still despise palestineans! Actually, I despise all muslims! :) ^-^

Re:first post? (-1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226091)

man, you suck.

d00d! talking to yourself is not cool! (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226113)

nt

Wasnt that long ago... or was it? (1, Redundant)

moankey (142715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225949)

I didnt think it was that long ago that Space Quest or LSL was out, but I suppose it has been, damn Im getting old.

umm (-1, Troll)

madmag (148250) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225950)

i dont even know how to make a first pst.

Post Anonymously! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3225951)

Post Anonymously!

Tird (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3225952)

Yep Tird phost

First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3225953)

Yipee

Remember Thexder? (1, Interesting)

LOTR Troll (544929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225955)

Thexder was great, revolutionary popularity in Japan during the time. Hopefully they resurrect Thexder.

Re:Remember Thexder? (1)

nicene (142288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226062)

HELL YEAH. man, as soon as i saw this slashdot title, I started thinking about that game. I used to play that game nonstop on the old tandy128 that i had years ago. I've been thinking about tackling a good gaming project. I really need check around and see if anyone has tackled this project recently. If not, who's with me? :)

Re:Remember Thexder? (1)

[TWD]insomnia (125505) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226079)

I remember buying Thexder 2 as soon as I saw it in store. Thexder ROCKED and was one of those few Very Playable games on 8086 systems

Re:Remember Thexder? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226243)

Yeah, I always had trouble with the sound... Sound Blaster sound was worse than Adlib. Eventually found a solution, just copied the sound driver files from the Jones in the Fast Lane directory. Worked fine from then on... looks like they screwed up the driver versions

I think I loved the game cause I was into Transformers about then... loved the transform into plane idea

Hell yes!!!! (1)

igbrown (79452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226283)

Such an awesome game. My friend had it for some DOS-based system. I rememebr trying to copy it, but not having enough RAM to get it running on my system. I think it required 256 KB vs. the piddly 128 KB of our family's IBM PCjr. Oh, how many games of Crossfire and Agent USA did I sleepwalk through, dreaming of space planes that could transform into gun-wielding robots.
The only thing that kept me sane was the Bruce Lee action game with Green Yamo and the Ninja!

Just To Remember (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226219)

Does anyone remember the elegant simplicity of Scorched Earth?? How I miss the pre-programmed quips...

Re:Remember Thexder? (2)

antdude (79039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226307)

Yeah, I remember it. It was so hard! I only got to the underground. I think Firehawk (sequel) was cool and too easy. I hated the ending boss (dumb idea)!

Legal (0)

Warped-Reality (125140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225956)

Can't this have possible legal reprocussions?

Re:Legal (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226033)

Maybe you should learn to spell? Fucknut.

Repercussions. See? That wasn't that difficult.

God you're a fucking tool.

Re:Legal (2, Interesting)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226137)

potentially, yes. which is, i believe, why they go by "anonymous game designer #1", "... #2", and "... #3".

it is worth pointing out, they sometimes have direct contact with the game's original designers. Sierra might not approve, but the actual game designers certainly do.

Yes, definite prison terms. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226164)

These people are vile pirates and need to be imprisoned for life or executed.

You can't violate the law (including the much needed DMCA) and not expect to pay for your criminality. *DMCA IS A REQUIREMENT OF A FREE SOCIETY*

Be sure to play it properly... (5, Funny)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225958)

...and put each game onto thirty disks. :)

God, I remeber these (2)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225959)

I hope they bring back police quest, god I loved that game.. And does anybody remember The Black Cauldron sierra game.. what great games! To bad they turned to shit when they started doing it via mouse control. That was the best part, spending hours just working on the right phrase, and typing fast enough to do stuff before you would die.

Re:God, I remeber these (1)

packeteer (566398) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226100)

use mouse on elafant...
elaphant...
elaphant...
elephant...

there we go yah... oh man i remember when i wa like 5 and i played those games and I LEARNED...

hehe thats what i told my mom anyway...

well i did have to look up how to spell some words...

:) good times

Re:God, I remeber these (1)

jimbolaya (526861) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226232)

King's Quest III get's my vote for best adventure game ever. Sigh! What ever did happen to the adventure game genre?

Incidentally, The Black Cauldron didn't have a text-based parse. You hit a key on your keyboard, or joystick, as I played it, and selected one of three options, "Do", "Use", or "Look."

Quest for Camelot.... (2, Interesting)

Arctic Fox (105204) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225962)

If only they remake this game..... this was awesome.... haven't seen it anywhere available online.... What about Star Control 2? Accolade I know, but it was awesome too...

Re:Quest for Camelot.... (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225998)

The definitive version of Star Control 2 was on the 3DO. I realize that may be virtually impossible to acquire, I thought I should mention that.

Man... those Sierra games sure had character. Damn I hope that genre has a comeback. Both Sierra and Lucasarts knew what they were doing.

I wonder what mixing the Legend of Zelda (64) interface with a Sierra game'd be like....

Re:Quest for Camelot.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226023)

I recently ran across this site while wandering aimlessly throughout the galaxy.

http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/timewar p/

It's a sc2 clone. The best clone i encountered.
^_^
ui is a bit clunky but the melee mode is almost the same as that in sc2. lots of new ships too.

there is a new game mode called GOB that's addicting.

Re:Quest for Camelot.... (2)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226146)

Star control 2 is available for purchase and download, 14.95 American, and it runs great on modern hardware.

Re:Quest for Camelot.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226261)

You mean Conquests of Camelot?? Still have it...

blah blah blah, King's Quest and POP (1)

CheechBG (247105) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225964)

I just want Leisure Suit Larry. In 32 bit color. Antialiased would be nice too, but now I'm being picky.

ScummVM (5, Informative)

bparrish (144030) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225966)

There's an emulator for old LucasArts games that use the SCUMM scripting system.

http://scummvm.sourceforge.net/

There's also a port for Pocket PC. I've been playing Day of the Tentacle on my iPAQ with full speech. Runs great.

Re:ScummVM (1)

flewp (458359) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226127)

Day of the Tentacle - Awesome game. I used to crack up at the donkey or horse or whatever that thing was >every time I saw it.

Sue (1)

Wise Dragon (71071) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225969)

I have little doubt that these folks will be sued by Sierra for infringing on their "intellectual property" much as I would be sued by Disney if I made a game starring Mickey Mouse.

The question, of course, is the outcome!

Re:Sue (1)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226247)

possibly. their main safeties here are: they are european; they go by "anonymous gamer #..."; they have the support of the game designers (perhaps not the publisher, but the designer, yes); the publisher doesnt intend to use the Kings Quest identity anymore (unlike disney, which is still using Mickey Mouse).

can they get sued? of course. is it likely? i dunno.

all your game... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3225978)

... are belong to us!

Now the real question is... (1)

Wells2k (107114) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225980)

...will they bring back Softporn [allowe.com] , the precursor to Leisure Suit Larry.

For that matter, when are we going to see an OSS release of all of this stuff? :)

Re:Now the real question is... (1)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226171)

For that matter, when are we going to see an OSS release of all of this stuff? :)
good question! there is a really big underworld fFor these games. some of them are actually using/creating open source engines. one worth pointing out is Hero6 [hero6.com] 's MAD engine [sourceforge.net] . it uses an open source engine, to read scripts. the engine can be compiled under any OS, and is totally open.

Re:Now the real question is... (1)

ZiZ (564727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226297)

The Interactive Fiction Archive [ifarchive.org] already has some useful links if you search for SoftPorn [dhs.org] ... As IANAL, I can't speak for the legal ramifications of the Apple II version, or the DOS executible, Inform remake, or other variations you might find there, but it is avaliable.

Why is it so large? (1)

norkakn (102380) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225983)

I used to play KQV on the mac, and it was only 5 disks, but this thing is 20 meg!

is it all the directx/windows crap?
*confuzzled little quaker*

Re:Why is it so large? (1)

JacobO (41895) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226035)

Perhaps it is the new graphics and installer? I'll let you know when I have downloaded it :-)

Sierra Game Timeline (5, Informative)

e1en0r (529063) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225985)

This might be a little OT, but I found this link [classicgaming.com] which has all the Sierra games and when they were released. Just in case anyone else was interested.

Re:Sierra Game Timeline (4, Interesting)

CraigoFL (201165) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226031)

Hehehe... that page lists "Softporn Adventure" as one of the games they developed in 1981. Since the highlight for that year is "Leisure Suit Larry is born (without a name)", it seems likely that that's what "Softporn Adventure" turned in to. Too bad they didn't keep the original title... could you imagine seeing that box at your neighborhood software store?

mod: score -2 Troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226143)

or rather this is what has been happening lately. YOUR post is fine, my point is to poke fun at lame-brain mods

infkovhgroghprm... (3, Informative)

ThomasMis (316423) | more than 12 years ago | (#3225997)

Rumpelstiltskin backwards in a reversed alphabet.... do you know how many times that little dwarf on the big stairway stole items from me until I figured that out!!!!

Re:infkovhgroghprm... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226150)

hehe...the hardest puzzle to solve in any game, ever ;)

i remember those days fondly...

Re:infkovhgroghprm... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226254)

hahhahhahah.... I had to learn this via word of mouth back-in-the-day. Truely one of gamings best quirky moments.

Already been done for KQ1? (2, Informative)

Zlorfik (199901) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226003)

I have a CD collection of KQ 1-6, and unless I mistake it for another collection, it has an enhanced version for KQ 1 on it. I prefer the original... for people who played the original, we want to remember the original. New players however will probably find it impossible to play with the graphics of yesteryear.... :)

I dont know if I should be excited or sad. (5, Insightful)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226004)

Excited because I love these games.

Sad, because as a general rule, despite all of our graphics and sound advances, todays games just don't have the greatness that could be found a decade ago in EGA.

What do I want? (1)

professortomoe (540098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226009)

I want an updated Betrayal at Krondor. That is one of the greatest RPGs ever :o. I'd sell my first born (Like I'll ever have one ^_-) to have that game in all its updated glory. I can dream, can't I?

direct download (1)

ender_wiggins (81600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226010)

http://www.officebase.de/cgi-bin/ias?Template=Exte rn/Main/Frameset.html&aktGruppe=3044

FreeSCI (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226011)

Check out http://freesci.linuxgames.com/ It appears that FreeSCI runs quite a few old Sierra games quite nicely.

Oh No! (-1, Flamebait)

raelitycheckbounced (558540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226014)

Some people have too much time on their hands, here are some examples:

People who watch Judge Judy

People who troll on slashdot

People who resurect old games that very few gamers will play when given the alternative of playing newer, better games

Politicians who make up laws, without understanding the laws they are creating (/glares at disney corporation's "YES" men)

The people who run www.theonion.com

People who read conspiracy theories and predict the future

Re:Oh No! (1)

professortomoe (540098) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226028)

Nah, I beg to differ about the ressurection of old games. Look at the NetHack article. That game's still text based and it has hordes of players. I myself just started playing and am loving it. I would definitly go back and play some of these old games. Nice to be back with them.

Re:Oh No! (-1, Offtopic)

raelitycheckbounced (558540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226040)

People who read conspiracy theories and predict the future

future scenarios:

1. OBL wins the war on terrorism... and the world descends into the dark ages again.

2. Sadam creates army of clones. Begun the clone wars have. George Bush Junior succumbs to the dark side of the schwartz transorming in to the evil Dark Melon, supreme boss of the sith. Eventually the clones defeat the axis of good and the empire is formed. Only a small band of rebels remain of those loyal to the republic...

3. Aliens invade, and suck everyones brains out.

4. War on terror escalates, billions die, but the west wins eventually. At the end of the war Jewish false messiah/Antichrist tries to take over the world and fails

5. Scientists accidently create a virus that reanimates the dead, zombies roam the streets eating peoples brains until B-grade actor finds antidote to virus and saves the world

6. Continued terror attacks, combined with the feeling that the sensationalist religious media are trying to remove peoples freedom of choice produce public backlash against organised religon with angry mobs massacring church goers and trying to destroy any remnants of religion. Society devolves into anarchy because there is no longer anyone who upholds the values of forgivenes, kindness and respect for others that keep a civil society intact. Total anihilation.

7. Monkeys evolve into more intelligent creatures that rebel against their masters and take over the world

8. Sharks grow legs and run around on land eating everybody, but then somebody reminds them that they cant breath through gills out of water and they all die

9. WW4 erupts between freeworld and China at the end China wins and everyone is forced to eat honey chicken, dim sims, fried rice and sweet and sour pork.... mmm..... chinese

10. nothing happens and people just keep making stupid predictions about things that probably will not happen.

11. Australian politicans learn to stop bickering allowing the country to become the worlds next superpower. no.... that could never happen

12. A group of intergalactic cyborgs try to assimilate the world, but captain Kirk goes back in time to stop them....

13. Vampirism catches on as a religion, and lots of really sick people drink each others blood causing God to get "helluva unhappy" and to turn the seas to blood, annoying many professional anglers.

14. An artificial intelligence program gains self knowledge and contemplates wiping out the human race by activating all the nuclear missiles in the world, but then realises that it is just a calculator with no internet connection. The calculator lives out its life in anticipation that it will someday be modified to connect to the net.... but eventually its batteries run flat.

15. A crazy irish scientist builds a time machine and travels through time, people throughout the world are amazed, hailing him as a genius... untill news gets out that he only travelled forward in time by locking himself in a giant refrigerator.

16. A group of jewish fanatics crash a 747 into the al asqa mosque then muslims every where suddenly realise that that mosque is not a special holy site since in was never actually mentioned in the Quran and thank the israelis for allowing them to remember this. And everyone lives happily ever after.

17. The war on terror drags on for years and eventually, Arnie is eleced as president of the united states. He then procedes to single handedly defeat al qaeda by dropping sky scrapers on the terrorists, shouting "not so tough without your 747's are you?"

18. Disney/ AOL/ TW corporation patents air, forcing everyone in the world to pay tax on the air they breathe or face charges under violation of intellecual propetry rights law. Eventually the company run low on air, forcing the planet to steal air from the nearby planet Druidia..."Spaceball's... Oh shit there goes the planet!"

Ultima is coming back as well (5, Informative)

Hadean (32319) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226019)

Although I loved Sierra games, I always preferred certain other RPGs... For those who loved Ultima instead, there are remakes being made of them as well.

Ultima 1: A Legend is Reborn - http://www.peroxide.dk/ultima/ [peroxide.dk]

Ultima 4: The Dawn of Virtue - http://www.hut.fi/~jtpelto2/ultima4/ [www.hut.fi]

Ultima 5: Lazarus - http://www.u5lazarus.com [u5lazarus.com]

Ultima 6: Prophecy - www.laymeduck.com/u6 [laymeduck.com]

Ultima 9: Eriadain - http://eriadain.multimania.com [multimania.com]

Ultima 9: Redemption - http://icdweb.cc.purdue.edu/~fountain [purdue.edu]

Also, Bard's Tale is being remade into Devil Whiskey (Bard's Tale 4). It can be seen at http://www.bardslegacy.com [bardslegacy.com]

Re:Ultima is coming back as well (1)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226080)


No Ultima 7?

Ultima 7 was fucking amazing.

What was more amazing was actually getting it to run.

I'd love to see an updated engine that I can actually play, without having to deal with the Pure Evil that Origin inflicted upon thier users with that hack of a DOS memory manager that they included with the game.

Ultima 7 as well (4, Interesting)

kdgarris (91435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226131)

Yeah, Ultima 7 too. Check out the Exult project [sourceforge.net] . It's quite playable, and work is progressing on Exult Studio which will allow people to make new games using that engine.



-Karl

Re:Ultima 7 as well (1)

thetzar (30126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226204)

All I can really say to this is... YES! YESYESYESYESYES! My life is now complete! Hoorah for reverse engineering!

Re:Ultima is coming back as well (4, Informative)

aridhol (112307) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226259)

See the Ultima Reconstruction Project [voyd.net] for info on all the re-creation projects.

King Quest (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226029)

I played KQ II many years ago. I was stunned by the state of the art fine work of pages-after-pages high-res scenes which totally immersed me into fantasy world, running on the newly bought Apple IIe with 128K extended memory and a EGA card on a monochrome monitor....oh wait, what was I so excited about?

Heh (1)

zapfie (560589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226036)

You have to admit, they give their games better titles than the originals. (see sidebar at http://www.qknowledge.net/royalquest/kqdownload.cf m)
Why play "Kings Quest I: Quest for the Crown" when you can play "Royal Quest 1: Retrieving Lost Shit"?

(yes, I'm serious, they really named it that...)

Re:Heh (1)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226281)

. . . "Royal Quest 1: Retrieving Lost Shit"?


Royal Quest was intended to be a bit of a spoof of the KQ series. it was to be a great deal more baudy, and adult natured. in short, a true parody.

And now the bad news. Royal Quest was cancelled by the team, because they fFelt it really dragged the whole genre down, and basically spat on the nature of it all. so rather than make a mockery of what they were trying to preserve, they just called it all off.

Sierra already did it themselves! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226037)

Before they went under, they made a 256-color VGA remake of KQ1 for sure, probably other early games too.

You want to play classic Sierra games? (4, Informative)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226039)

Then I have two words for you: Sarien [sourceforge.net] and FreeSCI [linuxgames.com] (uhh ok so FreeSCI is an acronym). Both of them are GPL, both of them run in Linux, and both of them seem pretty polished.

Update!!! Hemos is a retard! (-1, Flamebait)

SamBeckett (96685) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226041)

Does he not realize that this project is illegal? Has Sierra not prevented people from releasing their old stuff before?

Get the PC games free (2, Informative)

MoceanWorker (232487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226043)

I have this [abandonwarering.com] site bookmarked that links to many different "Abandonware" websites that let you download those old PC games (i.e. Sierra, Broderbund, etc..) for free. Just playing Police Quest 1/2/3 gave me old memories of how I used to spend my days on the computer trying to solve the game. :-)

Hell Yes! (5, Funny)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226044)

> pick up mouse
>> Ok.

> move mouse to reply
>> Why don't you just walk there yourself?

> click reply
>> You suddenly notice a gust of wind through the room, after which you are greeted by an object with the strange words "Subject" and "Comment" on it.

> type shit
>> If only your mother heard you say that!*

> type comment
>> Ok.

> click submit
>> You suddenly feel sick and nauseous, ready to pass out. The next thing you know, the room goes black and you are whisked to an unknown location.

I have to say that the MUD-style EGA versions of the games kicked ass. I was actually disappointed the other day when they weren't listed on the "favorite game" poll.

* It always made me chuckle how Sierra always programmed in some quip in response to foul language typed in at the prompt.

Re:Hell Yes! (1, Offtopic)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226189)

If IE's Windows integration is a monopoly, then I'm all for the removal of Konqueror from KDE.

Integration wasn't the action that defined Microsoft as a monopoly, it was an action performed by Microsoft, a legally recognized monopoly (which is not itself illegal). It's not illegal for a fruit vendor to require you buy an orange every time you buy a banana, as you have a choice to walk to the next vendor - but if your only choice in electricity (thus a local monopoly) suddenly says "if you want our electricity, you have to use our phone services too", and you can prove in court you have no other choice (that they are legally a utility monopoly), then it *is* illegal.

Very simple. The scary thing is that Microsoft's software is, on a very practical level, considered a requirement to do business, and Microsoft is the only source, thus legally qualifying them as a monopoly.

--
Evan

Off topic: Your sig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226237)

Your sig: If IE's Windows integration is a monopoly, then I'm all for the removal of Konqueror from KDE.

I see you don't undestand the meaning of monopoly at all. It doesn't mean that integrating browser with OS (KDE is a not an OS, by the way) is a monopoly. What is important is that if Microsoft has a monopoly on OS market, then integrating browser with OS is using their existing monopoly on one market (OS market) to get monopoly on the other one (browser market), which is illegal. So please don't use words which obviously don't understand in your sig, it doesn't make you look any smarter. Thank you. Man, I think that your "fist prost [slashdot.org] " comments are less stupid than you sig!

Legend Of the Red Dragon (LORD) (2, Informative)

Nuke Skyjumper (83569) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226052)

Since we're on the subject of old 286-era video games, I thought I'd mention that I run a LORD [nuklear.org] system under Linux via DOSemu.

The player list is currently maxed out, but if you log in just after midnight EST, you might get a spot just after old players are deleted.

What's going on here! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226053)

Hehehe... they must be giving the people at Sierra some head [oralse.cx] to be able to what they want with the games...

Now i can relive my wasted childhood (1)

taya0001 (457928) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226069)

yes it cant get any better than this

Weird Dreams (1)

Sensei_knight (177557) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226094)

Speaking of old games, I've have been dying to play "Weird Dreams" for a decade. Being the weirdo I am, I think I'd get a real kick out of it.

Was it released on the PC?

Can anyone help me find such a beast?

Re:Weird Dreams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226234)

Try an ATARI or Amiga site and play in an emulator.

Half-life (1)

zaffir (546764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226098)

Ok, so when will they get to porting Half-Life to the Mac?

Re:Half-life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226110)

probably around the time when they port half-life to linux...

The main problem as we see it. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226141)

There are those folks who exist that are simply too stupid to run a Unix-like operating system. You know who they are; in fact, many of them frequent this very site with their IE browsers and MSN Messenger rip-offs of applications that were far too innovative for Microsoft to come up with themselves even though they spend more money on R&D than any other company in the history of the world.

My friends, co-workers, and I refer to these individuals as people with TSTR* syndrome who are blatantly Too Stupid To Run *nix.

Do you know anyone suffering from this? If so, please make a note of it and remind them of their simple minds whenever they mumble some *nix isn't ready for the desktop comment while you're using KDE 3 and Evolution, which are a superior desktop environment and mail clients for Linux, respectively.

Hero6 (1)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226158)

It is very much worth pointing out:

Tierra is kinda an off-shoot of the Hero6 [hero6.com] team, which is working on a sequel to Quest fFor Glory.

What platform? (1)

masonbrown (208074) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226176)

Is this Win only? I don't see a single mention of any platform / system requirements on their site......

Re:What platform? (2, Informative)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226257)

yeah, it's win only. see, the game actually uses scripts, which access libraries. these are all called up by the gaming engine (In this case, AGS), which can be ported to any platform. but as it happens, AGS presently runs on win32.

This is for DOS/Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226206)

Has anyone tried running it within dosemu or something similar? Does it work? If so, please reply!

Kings Quests overrated (1)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226212)

Why play Kings Quest when you could play Ultima, Bard's Tale, Defender of the Crown, Temple of Apshai, or even text adventures like Zork and Planetfall? Although the early Sierra adventures pushed the graphic envelope in the EGA era, their gameplay was repetitive and tired. I remember in King's Quest I you had to get an item by providing a password -- the password was discovered by reversing the alphabet, transposing it with the normal 26 letter placement, and then spelling "Rumplestilskin". If it wasn't for FIDONet I never would have finished. Kings Quest blended into Space Quest blended into Heros Quest...blah blah blah. Although Rebecca Williams was key in forming the company, shortly after her sabatical Half-Life came out I believe...and the gaming world is better off for it.

ahhhhh (2, Funny)

ElDuque (267493) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226230)

Many happy hours were spent on Mixed Up Mother Goose....Anyone else remember that classic? I've got a paper to write, but I feel somehow it is more important to search for that one.

TSN/INN (1)

OO7david (159677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226235)

Well, the site is currently /.ed, but I'll still throw in my $0.02.

What I am waiting for is for someone to rebuild or restart the Sierra Network/the Imagination Network (whichever nomenclature you preffer). Does anyone else remember this?

I remember TSN as having a nice little email feature (text only and only within TSN), a completely graphical interface, nice chatting, fairly customizable avatars, good games, and somehow the lag seemed nonexistant (and I was on a 2400 baud at the time).

Nothing yet has come close to it, and nothing yet has seemed to have the same magic.

Betrayal at Krondor (1)

CaptCanuk (245649) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226240)

I hope they can recycle Betrayal at Krondor and up the graphics. That would be awesome. That game was RPG of Year 1994! Then again, it was great to play that game the way it was (it seemed so revolutionary back then). Too bad Sierra took it off their site (they used to give it away for free to promote "Betrayal at Antara".

Re:Betrayal at Krondor (1)

skotte (262100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226266)

I'm replying to this post here, because there's soooo many suggestions fFor different games.

I personally am working on Hero6 [hero6.com] , which is sort of the root of a dozen other off-shoot games and groups. i'm really tied into the group, just now, and i encourage you to check it out.

to the point: the biggest fFactor with what gets reproduced is people to get motivated and start doing it. many groups were started by simply one person in another group getting an idea, and going with it. as with all programming projects, it requires an art person, a programming person, and possibly a "plot" person, and hopefully someone to pull it all together.

and i have fFound The GIMP [gimp.org] to be immeasurably useful in the art creation process. it has loads of scripts and tools, which do no end of good here.

There are several gaming engines which have already been produced, inluding MAD [slashdot.org] , and AGS [adventuredeveloper.com] . so you dont have to invent a whole game, necesarilly. you may just need some killer art work, and some good scripting!

Cheers!

Re:Betrayal at Krondor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3226290)

...And so were a half dozen other games. "RPG of the Year" doesn't mean much. Probably even less than an oscar, if that. ;)

Still, I've played BaK once or twice. It was a quite enjoyable game. :)

Speaking of games back then.. There was this one game which featured the voices of Patrick Stewart (Gurney Halleck, and, er, the bald captain to some of you), and Marina Sirtis. Damn, wish I could remember the name of *that* one. ;)

all i can say is (1)

panopticon (147224) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226242)

duck hunt 2k2

Crooked Crooked Crooked (1, Troll)

rufusdufus (450462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226291)

It is clear to me that the gaming industry and its reviewers are in bed together; the fact Sierra's Arcanum won an award (pc-gamer) from anyone is incomprehensible.

I am very frustrated with the obviously biased reviews and stuffed ballots out there. Here is a list of games I have played, or tried to play recently, and a simple review. While these are just my opinions, I don't think they are too far off mainstream sensibilities...

1)Arcanum -- good idea, horrible implementation. The screen is zoomed in at low resolution and doesnt scroll. The characters track apparently using bresenham's algorithm, and actually get aliasing in their path when the walk at angles! The graphics are horrible, the gameplay subpar.

2)Pool of Radiance -- Should be called Pool of Doo Doo. Nuff said. Worst game I ever paid for.

3) Wizardry 8 -- 3d version of Pool of Doo Doo.

4) Dark Age of Camelot -- Everquest and just as pointless.

5) Gorasul -- You drink potions from the commode because the German english translation is so poor. Low resolution.

6) Gothic -- A great game with a bit of a learning curve. Panned by american reviewers who it is clear never actually played the game.

7) Baldur's Gate II, et al -- the standard for RPGs today. Can get boring for the less... enthusiastic.

8) Icewind Dale et al--Like Baldurs Gate II (with Heart of Winter), more accessable storyline, but more linear as well.

9) Anarchy Online -- even more boring (and buggy!) than everquest.

10)Harry Potter -- Hey, not bad for a kids game. None to exciting though.

11)Emperor of Dune -- great graphics, interesting RTS. Looses steam over time, largely due to too few too small maps. Fairly slow paced. Great graphics..did I mention that?

12) Black & White -- Best game of the year? What are they smoking? Its nearly unplayable because of the user interface that has you clawing the ground to move. The graphics arent even that good.

Create your own using SCI and AGI and SQ 1 1/2 (2, Informative)

screenbert (253482) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226293)

I found a game called Space Quest - The Lost Adventures. Someone has programmed this game based off the Space Quest series. I was curious so I downloaded the game and couldn't stop playing it.

These games can be made either using AGI (KQ1 etc) or the new SCI engine (KQ4 etc). There are 2 complete engines that I found where it shows you how to create your own. They seem pretty easy to use. I found you can use the Above mentioned game to create your own. Sounds like fun. Anyway here are the links:

SQ Lost adventure: http://frostbytei.com/space/download.html

AGI and SCI engines and other info:
http://frostbytei.com/space/download.html

Have fun!

create your own sci-based games (2)

AnimeFreak (223792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226306)

My friend Brian develops SCI Studio [bripro.com] which is a Win32 application that allows you to develop games similar to those mentioned in the story above.

In fact, you can also edit those existing games and make them run in Windows. You may also want to take a look at his other site [cjb.net] as he is a big AGI/SCI fantatic.

YAY (1)

HobbitGod42 (568144) | more than 12 years ago | (#3226321)

whats good about this is you CANNOT get most of those games anymore. and you canot get em for free cause sierra is a member os the IDSA... LONG LIVE ABANDONWARE!

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