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China Launches Third Unmanned Space Capsule

timothy posted about 12 years ago | from the space-has-more-room dept.

Space 333

Guppy06 writes: "As you read this China's third unmanned (except for a dummy) Shenzhou capsule is whizzing over your head. It was launched around 1400 UTC on one of China's newer Long March II F boosters. There's an article at CNN. As per usual, our good friends at NORAD have all the details of its orbit available here, but after last September you need to register to get it..."

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fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226410)

woohooo fp!

Cool (2, Insightful)

Daveman692 (558544) | about 12 years ago | (#3226414)

I think it is good another country is in space. It is a vast frontier that if we want to explore we need to work togeather, globally. The ISS is a start but we need to get many more countries to have space programs. It is a world effort to do anything up there and it is somewhere worth exploring.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226434)

Yes. Slave labor is great for humankind.

The real question is: (5, Funny)

Mr Teddy Bear (540142) | about 12 years ago | (#3226447)

Does the side of the pod say "China" (like we (americans) have USA) or does it say "Made in China" like everything else in the USA?

This should be great for mass production of space fairing ships. Tourist travel here we come!

Re:Cool (1)

moankey (142715) | about 12 years ago | (#3226510)

Hopefully this will get America's NASA more funding to be competitive. NASA has become a bloated and dying entity. Not the same agency it was in the 60-70's.

Launched another capsule... (3, Funny)

RasputinAXP (12807) | about 12 years ago | (#3226419)

The only problem is that after the first capsule, they were hungry again after an hour.

The Sad Truth, People (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226421)

There are those folks who exist that are simply too stupid to run a Unix-like operating system. You know who they are; in fact, many of them frequent this very site with their IE browsers and MSN Messenger rip-offs of applications that were far too innovative for Microsoft to come up with themselves even though they spend more money on R&D than any other company in the history of the world.

My friends, co-workers, and I refer to these individuals as people with TSTR* syndrome who are blatantly Too Stupid To Run *nix.

Do you know anyone suffering from this? If so, please make a note of it and remind them of their simple minds whenever they mumble some *nix isn't ready for the desktop comment while you're using KDE 3 and Evolution, which are a superior desktop environment and mail clients for Linux, respectively.

Re:The Sad Truth, People (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | about 12 years ago | (#3226443)

Funny, it took Apple just 4 years to do something that *nix has been trying at for over a decade (if you count Linux especially).


Re:The Sad Truth, People (-1, Offtopic)

EricKrout.com (559698) | about 12 years ago | (#3226470)

Wow, that's really interesting! I didn't realize that it was Apple who actually wrote the entire BSD/Mach kernel. And in four years, nonetheless -- truly an amazing feat!

*Slap* You friggin' moron.

m o n o l i n u x :: No Rights Reserved. [monolinux.com]

Re:The Sad Truth, People (0, Offtopic)

FrostedChaos (231468) | about 12 years ago | (#3226483)

Apple was not trying to rewrite the entire BSD/Mach kernel.

Re:The Sad Truth, People (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | about 12 years ago | (#3226487)

I never said they were. They did get the *BSD userland and libraries running on Mach (Darwin), though, but what I was referring to in desktop-readyness was Aqua and Quartz running on top of Darwin.

Re:The Sad Truth, People (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | about 12 years ago | (#3226577)

Hi there. Maybe you missed my point. Mac OS X is technically considered a *nix.

It ships on a mainstream PC.

*nix on the desktop that works. At least much better than Linux.

Please reread ths thread from the parent I replied to.


Re:The Sad Truth, People (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226503)


The only difference is that people actually use *NIX. :-)

Sorry, little Mac dude.

Re:The Sad Truth, People (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | about 12 years ago | (#3226571)

YAPWMP (Yet another person who missed the point)

Darwin is a *nix. Mac OS X is Darwin with several proprietary add-ons running on Darwin.

Mac OS X comes installed on every Mac as the primary OS and has been shipping since a year ago.

Ergo, Mac OS X is *nix on the desktop, created after 4 years of work on NeXTSTEP.

What don't you get?

Re:The Sad Truth, People (0, Offtopic)

gotr00t (563828) | about 12 years ago | (#3226616)

Although this isn't exactly relavent to this article, I AGREE COMPLETELY! By far, all M$ products are simply overrated, overcharged, and just plain terriable. They allow for no degree of freedom at all, and unlike *NIX where I can configure virtually every element of the OS to the way I like it, Windowz dosen't even let me see the underlying processes for crying out loud! The only thing that I think Windowz is good for is gaming. Just gaming. In office work, business work, etc. You need stablity, and if you don't have the competence to use a UNIX related platform, then use a mac. They're stable. Playing games is the time when stablitity matters minimally. Plus, I don't see why game developers even develop games for Windows. Although I agree that DirectX and it's components are great API features, I think that they're overlooking the merit at using Linux (Yeah, they could use Solaris, HP-UX, etc, but I'm just using Linux in this example) to develop games. Linux is extremely modular, an extremely well written OS. With XFree86 version 4, many more APIs are implimented that help developers. Finally, I would like to say that I enjoy using multiple sound cards(one for speakers, one for headphones), and two video cards to control 2 monitors. These are built in features to X11R6 version 4.x.x, people. And I think that this is extremely useful. I haven't seen a single person who found out how to do it on Windows(not one of those 2 port video cards, I'm talking about using 2 seperate video cards powering 2 monitors, Correct me if I'm wrong)

Re:The Sad Truth, People (1)

SpiffyMC (558264) | about 12 years ago | (#3226700)

Ummm, have you ever tried to install 2 sound cards or 2 video cards in Windows, or to be more specific, Windows XP? Starting with Windows 2000, you will find that they have built in support for dual video cards, sound cards etc.. Windows XP does have a lot of the "nicer" features of Linux, and the dual video cards/sound cards is one of them.

A threat to nasa (1)

fmita (517041) | about 12 years ago | (#3226425)

China now poses a serious threat to Nasa...no, kidding... But if the government doesn't give Nasa more money....

This would be more exciting (2, Funny)

Kasmiur (464127) | about 12 years ago | (#3226433)

If they had launched a N'sync member instead. Who cares if it lacks the tech to keep him safe. It would relieve us of a Nsuck member.

I can see it now.

PAy 20mil to goto spacestation but get to ride in china's one for free. Hopefully the boybands are too dumb to realize they are unmanned and they would be cargo without life support.

Re:This would be more exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226583)

My guess is that those N'sync boys will be advertising Apple computers soon in order to appeal to all those Apple fans who are "confimred bachelors".

Re:This would be more exciting (1)

linzeal (197905) | about 12 years ago | (#3226712)

Appearently you have yet to meet the unix admins as they are the single reason that such things as prepackaged high carb food is available in utah, I kid you not.

Re:This would be more exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226710)

N'Sync: unmanned huh? I dont know! Sounds risky. What about air?

Geek: oh? dont worry. Here is an empty pringles container, it will have enough air for everyone!

(thinks back to scenes of Total Recall outside the dome on Mars)

worst joke ever!

China Launches Third Unmanned Space Capsule (5, Funny)

Seehund (86897) | about 12 years ago | (#3226438)

At whom?

Re:China Launches Third Unmanned Space Capsule (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226567)

Student protesters in Tiananmen square.

Re:China Launches Third Unmanned Space Capsule (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226657)

tibetan rabble rousers who think they should be able to speak their own language in their own country and not be overrun by chinese, in a forced population transfer that amounts to intentional genocide.

Red China; Red Planet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226442)

Red China... Red Planet (Mars)

coincidence? I think NOT

Images from today's launch (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226445)

SpaceRef has images [spaceref.com] from China television on today's launch.

Did you hear the one about the orbital rail-gun? (0, Offtopic)

Dr_Marvin_Monroe (550052) | about 12 years ago | (#3226449)

....it was kinda like a Gerald Bull special...it could take out NSA spys like dropping a bowling ball off an overpass.........

How much $$$$ to make one of these non-"Weapons of mass destruction" weapons?......

How long could the USA survive without ESPN and ATM's?

..."...of course we're gonna use the NORAD website for orbital numbers!..."

US Space Program (5, Insightful)

milkmandan9 (190569) | about 12 years ago | (#3226450)

So what exactly does this mean for the US space program? This country has never been the type to sit around on its laurels when someone else is venturing into new, uncharted territory.

Granted, it's not like China is going to be the first to land on the moon, but what if they get to the point where they're developing a moon colony or sending up as many reuseable spacecraft as we are? Is the US finally going to start shoveling money back into the space program?

It means we better get going on SDI. (2, Interesting)

glrotate (300695) | about 12 years ago | (#3226545)

Because Bill Clinton gave Loral (large campaign donner) Washington Post Story [washingtonpost.com] permission to sell this technology to our good friends the Chinese, they'll soon be able to deliver highly enriched Uranium right to your doorstep! The Democrats and Europeans think that playing defense is unsportsmanlike and that a shield is unnecessary. Thankfully Bush,Rumsfeld et al think differently and were are moving ahead on the project.

Re:It means we better get going on SDI. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226613)

'donner' like 'donor' or 'donner' like 'party'?

Re:US Space Program (1)

slittle (4150) | about 12 years ago | (#3226572)

If china lands on the moon the US will probably change it's tune on whether or not various non-Earth bodies may be owned by anyone (except the US of course), esp. if something valuable is found.

Re:US Space Program (2)

Faux_Pseudo (141152) | about 12 years ago | (#3226587)

Its not about the moon.
How many of use here at /. want NASA/gov to get off their butts and go to MARS. Thats right people. If China even breaths one word about wanting to go to Mars we will have a new space race. The USA will not stand idely by while China begins to make the Red Planet ... well The RED Planet.

Re:US Space Program (1, Flamebait)

Carlos Laviola (127699) | about 12 years ago | (#3226668)

This 1960's line of thinking of yours is so goddamn naive. Last I heard, the States were going thru a time of recession, and that hardly facilitates space exploration.

Re:US Space Program (3, Insightful)

daeley (126313) | about 12 years ago | (#3226685)

The argument could be made that a recession is exactly the time to do such a thing, as it would be an economic stimulus if planned correctly.

Eventually it is not going to matter. (3, Insightful)

RobertFisher (21116) | about 12 years ago | (#3226588)

This is just an additional development showing China's growing strength. It's economy, based on PPP (purchasing power product, like GNP, but based on equivalent purchasing power instead of relying upon monetary conversions, as GNP does, is the second largest in the world (right behind the US -- 1996 estimate $4,047 billion international dollars, whereas the US had about $6,000 billion international dollars), and is growing much more rapidly than the US PPP -- about 8% a year. In not too long, China will surpass the US as the largest economy on the planet. And it still has a long ways to grow and improve. Eventually it will dwarf the US economy.

What then? China is destined to become the world's largest economy. We simply won't be able to compete in a full-out space race, on a dollar-per-dollar basis. As I see it, there are several possibilities. One is that we will focus our research efforts, much like some European nations have done, in order to excel. (Gran Sasso in Italy, for instance, is a leading high energy detector chamber for high-energy cosmic rays.) Or perhaps we will still manage to shine, simply because we attract better talent from around the world, and do better work with the limited resources available to us. Another possibility is that the US will forge closer ties with other nations -- in North America, Europe, and elsewhere, so that our economy will be able to compete with those of China, India, and Russia, once those nations get their acts together. Lastly, we may indeed be relegated to second (or lower) place on the world's stage, in space and other fields.

You take your pick.


Per Capita GNP is a better measure. (1, Insightful)

glrotate (300695) | about 12 years ago | (#3226626)

And China is 125th on that list, behind such economic powerhouses as Kazakhstan, Tonga, and Gabon.

China is interested in space flight as a method of improving their ICBMs. They could give a rat's ass about Mars.

Cheaper to just build ICBMs (2)

Goonie (8651) | about 12 years ago | (#3226696)

So why are they wasting money building resources for manned missions?

Whatever the Chinese are up to, it ain't ICBM building. They already have them.

Re:Per Capita GNP is a better measure. (1)

raahul_da_man (469058) | about 12 years ago | (#3226713)

Wrong. Absolute size of the economy is all that matters. If per capita was important, Switzerland
would have a far better space program than India
or China. For that matter, look at the list of nations you provided.

When will I see space launches from those countries
any century?

China (and India) for that matter are more interested in a space program for the science benefit than just weapons. Weapons are important,
but this is more of an attempt to be recognised as
a high tech nation.

Re:Per Capita GNP is a better measure. (4, Funny)

RobertFisher (21116) | about 12 years ago | (#3226723)

Oh yes. Per capita GNP. The same measure that Luxembourg beats the US out on. By almost a factor of 2, as well. Over $45,000 per capita for Luxembourg versus a bit over $28,000 for the US. I suppose that makes Luxmberourg the world's most powerful economy in the world.

Seriously though, the buying power of an economy is jointly determined by both the total PPP and PPP per capita. But when it comes to research expenditures, the total size of the economy is what is important. If you can afford to spend a few percent of your economy on research, the total PPP is what is most important. The PPP per capita is also important, but its importance issecondary -- it is related to how much your citizens can afford to be taxed, and so is related to the percent of your total PPP which you can afford to allocate towards research.


Re:Eventually it is not going to matter. (1)

SpiffyMC (558264) | about 12 years ago | (#3226667)

When you have the biggest population in the world by a factor of 3 over your third place rival (USA), it is only natural to assume that despite the various Socio/Political issues within that country, that they will eventually get their act together economically. The chinese economy just has a larger population in which to draw strength from, and it is that population difference which makes the chinese economy nearly on par with the USA. As more and more chinese move into urban areas and the middle class, it is only natural to assume that the economy is going to continue to grow and surpas that of the USA. It's not saying that the US economy has problems or lack of power, it's just that the chinese have a greater potential to grow that that of the USA.

Now since China it seems is destined to have the largest economy in the world, it is only natural to assume that they are going to start developing better technology and move more into technical fields. Restricting the sale of technology to China is only delaying the inevitable. China will eventually catch up, and by then the lucrative business oportunities will have dried up. You can say what you want about "we shouldn't be selling technology to communist countries, yada yada", but give it a couple of years and China will make it themselves.

So with I think it is high time that the USA dropped the cold war mentality about communist countries when dealing with China, and try to forge better economic and political ties. That way, the USA can try to promote a sense of trust and goodwill twards the country, instead of an air of doubt and mis-trust.

Those are my thoughts, not yours. I'm JOOEEE sports

Re:Eventually it is not going to matter. (1)

linzeal (197905) | about 12 years ago | (#3226697)

Larger isn't always better when it comes to having organization rise out of the chaos. I doubt china will stay together as a single country and will instead break off into various providencial states. Who here wants to postulate based on the current rate of dissent in china when at the very least a republic will emerge sans violence like russia?

the stupid fucking editors (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226453)

I cannot understand why the stupid fucking editors did not post this story submission, so here it is.

Raven Releases Jedi Knight II Server For Linux

In anticipation of the game's release, Raven Software [ravensoft.com] has released the Jedi Knight II Linux Dedicated Server [bluesnews.com] binaries for those of you planning on running a server for its very soon (like this week) Quake 3 engined Star Wars game. It's just 1 meg.

Congratulations to China! (2, Interesting)

RollingThunder (88952) | about 12 years ago | (#3226456)


The more competition in space, the better the chances of it being commoditized, in my opinion. Time for a fire to get lit under some respective butts!

Oh no, now Slashdot's done it... (0, Offtopic)

leviramsey (248057) | about 12 years ago | (#3226462)

[After clicking on the link...]

Too many users

There are too many connected users. Please try again later.

Oh my God! We Slashdotted NORAD!

Re:Oh no, now Slashdot's done it... (1, Offtopic)

llamalicious (448215) | about 12 years ago | (#3226494)

Nope, we simply overloaded that crappy Foxweb application.

FoxPro is dead. Give up. Stop trying. It's not coming back.

Re:Oh no, now Slashdot's done it... (0, Offtopic)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 12 years ago | (#3226498)

"...In other news today, a group of individuals brought down NORAD computers on the Internet today..."

Re:Oh no, now Slashdot's done it... (5, Funny)

Robber Baron (112304) | about 12 years ago | (#3226514)

Soooo THAT'S their plain, is it?

1) Launch a space capsule.

2) Submit story to Slashdot.

3) Wait for Slashdot user to post link to NORAD site.

4) When Slashdot effect takes NORAD down, in the confusion launch a pre-emptive first-strike!

Sneaky bastards!

They will never attack with tanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226579)

They have too many chinks in their armor!

.sig (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226591)

At least I could spell my name. - Nietzsche

Re:Oh no, now Slashdot's done it... (1)

Kasmiur (464127) | about 12 years ago | (#3226652)

Man that post made me spit beer on my keyboard:-(

But it sure was worth it.

Another Space Race with the Communists .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226466)

.. is exactly what NASA needs in order for the American public and Congress to get behind the space program again. We need to applaud China for this and wish them the best of luck in future ventures, not because we like Chinese people, but because it will give the space program what it has needed for years .. an opponent. Face it, if it weren't for the political points that we scored by beating the Communists to the moon, we never would have landed on it. Sad but true.

And so now at the dawn of the 21st century we have another rivalry in space. What will be the final destination now? Mars? (We can only hope!) At any rate, it seems unlikely that the Bush Administration will sit back and let Chinese people outdo us when it comes to space, and as a "space nerd", I think this is good news.

China's had spaceflight since the 1970s (5, Informative)

gadfium (318941) | about 12 years ago | (#3226467)

This is the third launch of this series of spacecraft, not China's third launch. The "Shenzhou" craft started in 1999, but China first launched a satellite in 1970 and has launched dozens to date.

Re:China's had spaceflight since the 1970s (2)

child_of_mercy (168861) | about 12 years ago | (#3226493)

It's a launch of a manned space capsule, not a satellite

in theory they could have put a real person in there.

Chinese want to be the third nation to put people into space, taking what they see as their palce as equals with russia and the USA.

But I'm sure they've got their sights on No.1

Re:China's had spaceflight since the 1970s (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226532)

of course they have their sights set on being no. 1. They think that Han chinese are the culmination of evolution and that everything outside the middle kingdom is the wasteland of barbarians. I've spoken with Chinese (in China) who sheepishly told me that Chinese were superior human beings. They already think they're number 1, but i'm sure they want to assume their proper place as soon as possible.

Re:China's had spaceflight since the 1970s (1)

Mr Teddy Bear (540142) | about 12 years ago | (#3226496)

This is the third launch of this series of spacecraft, not China's third launch. The "Shenzhou" craft started in 1999, but China first launched a satellite in 1970 and has launched dozens to date.

Yes, but isn't this the first space craft to be able to support humans in it? Or at least the first one to actually work. They only sent a dummy up, but I am assuming they are going to examine it to see what effects it had on it when it lands. (See if it burt up or something.)

But then again, I don't really know what I am talking about here. I am just thinking slashdot had to have a good reason to post it. I mean.. it isn't like they post whenever a US Shuttle takes off or lands. (do they?)

Halle Barry (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226499)

News for negroes. Stuff for darkies.









GPL? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226512)

Doesn't this violate the GPL?

Dummy Rights (0, Troll)

mikerackhabit (442545) | about 12 years ago | (#3226516)

We here at 'Rights for Dummies" kindly request that you remove this slanderous material from your website. It is material like this story that helps keep the fallacy that 'Dummies aren't people' alive. Just because someone's a dummy doesn't make him any less a man that you.

Thank You,

RFD inC.

Slashdot integrity (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226523)

Is this article necessary? I could see posting it if an American team had launched a space capsule, but exactly what kind of agenda are you trying to promote by prominently mentioning that the Chinese did? China is a Communist nation that engages in brutal (and all too often bloody) repression of its own citizens. I'm not saying that Slashdot should ignore China or post anti-China stuff at every opportunity, but the least it could do is avoid glorifying China. Remember 9/11? It's time to come together and rally around our nation, not a brutal totalitarian regime.

My experiences in China (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226530)

I'm an American businessman in the import-export business, so as you might guess, my frequent travels take me to many places around the world, on every continent.

Anyhow, I wanted to share my experience in the "great" country of China.

So, I was in Shenzhen China last December for about a week on business. A bit of background: Shenzhen, like Hong Kong and a few other places, is a "Special Economic Zone" that the Chinese government set up to try and give foreigners the illusion that China really ISN'T a drab, decaying fascist state that's economically languishing behind the rest of the world. Here, rules are relaxed and capitalism is encouraged, not surppressed. Well, let me tell you this, if this is China's best, then I'd hate to see the worst.

Anyways, when I stepped off the train from Hong Kong (which was no paradise itself, as that place has gone down the shitter since the Brits left) I was shocked. The whole place smelled like a combination of vomit and dog shit that had been left out in the sun for a day or so. And it was probably BECAUSE there was vomit and dog shit all over. I almost retched, and I've certainly been in some sketchy places in my travels but NOTHING like this.

People spit everywhere. Trash litters the streets. I found myself looking DOWNWARD much more than looking FORWARD when I walked.

Noise pollution is endemic. It doesn't help that their infernal language consists of abrupt rapid fire tones that is a cacophony for any human ear to bear. How do they speak and listen to that shit without going crazy all day long is beyond me.

Anyways, Chinamen stink -- literally. There is no concept of personal hygiene whatsoever. Meetings with even top officials were hourlong sessions of having to endure hot sweaty bodies and rancid breath eminating from mouths missing a few teeth. Geez, at least use deodorant for crying out loud.

The hypocrisy, corruption, and double-standards from the highest levels of government on over are the norm at the same time China opens up to the world. Foreigners get charged as much as five times for transportation, lodging, food, and everything else.

Traffic is horrible. Rules are non-existent except for at traffic lights: red means to go fast, green means to go REALLY REALLY fast.

The Chinese people themselve are pretty apathetic and everyone just wants to get out of that hell hole, so you see smuggling rings shipping people out hidden in truck beds and ships, all too often with tragic results.

The whole country, in my assessment is a lost case. Even the cheap labor can be found in Southeast Asia or Mexico. Same goes for pirated stuff -- SE Asia and Eastern Europe will keep on churning them out.

Anyways, the one redeeming quality were the girls. I paid 100 yuan (about $12 US) for a great fuck, with a 16 year old who seemed quite new and "unblemished" if you get my drift. Boy, was she tight, made all the right noises, sucked and fucked all night long and let me cum all over her. Much better than even the vaunted Thai whores, and worlds apart from anything in Las Vegas or in Europe. Best bargain I have EVER found in my life!

So yeah, screw the hell hole that's China. I'd say nuke the entire damn place and put that whole society out of its misery, and let another country rise up from the ashes, if I were in Bush's seat -- were it not for the girls.

Re:My experiences in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226683)

yeah, we believe you. Which station in central did you leave from to get to shenzhen?

OIG Registration (2, Informative)

Tom Rothamel (16) | about 12 years ago | (#3226533)

Of course, one had to register before last September to get orbital elements from nasa. So, it's a bit misleading to claim that september had anything to do with it. This is a relatively September-agnostic sort of thing, which IIRC was implemented to keep people from hammering the servers.

Re:OIG Registration (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226610)

Actually, there was some suspicious traffic on the goddard elset site just before 9/11. Possibly the bad guys checking coverage on some com or recce birds.

I don't know the details, but they are tightening down somewhat. And IIRC, you could get small sets of elements without registering before, but had to register to do anything non-trivial.

You might try this site: http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/

Register (0, Offtopic)

loraksus (171574) | about 12 years ago | (#3226535)

Sir! We've instituting a policy of registration because umm.. umm .. . fuck! Because people could umm.. guide anthrax with the tracking of objects in space.

Condescending assholes. How fucking lame is that shit? Why the hell would these dumbshits block it to the public? Bandwidth? God forbid anybody express interest in what is going on, you know, people who could drum up some public support for the space program. God forbid we actually encourage people to be interested in something somewhat factual, as opposed to the cnn and nbc excrement.
Of course, there is probably some amateur site with better coverage.
end rant.

Re:Register (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226544)

flame bait, no shit. fuck.

Got a username and password for the NASA thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226543)

Pls post. thanks in advance.

deja vu? (1)

apk (120253) | about 12 years ago | (#3226548)

The CNN article mentions:

The Shenzhou III, which includes a simulated human complete with sensors to monitor conditions, is expected to return within days...

For some odd reason this reminds me of Airport Security vs. Cyborg Steve Mann [slashdot.org], complete with a visual of Dr. Mann undergoing interrogation by some airport security lackeys, only to return home some days later with a bizarre, unbelievable story to show for the delay...


No further information... (4, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | about 12 years ago | (#3226550)

...has been forthcoming as to the identity of the dummy, but the Computing and Business worlds have their fingers crossed that it is Bernard Shifman. [petemoss.com]

TLRSL? (1)

fruity1983 (561851) | about 12 years ago | (#3226553)

but after last September you need to register to get it...

Does this mean the terrorist factions have perfected use of the Tactical Long Range Spork Launcher?

We must guard our satellites.

WooT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226557)

One hell of a technical achievment.


thebabelfish (213456) | about 12 years ago | (#3226576)

I am amused by the warning at the bottom of the second link:
"WARNING!: U.S. Government Computer: If you are not authorized to access this system, disconnect now. You should have no expectation of privacy. By continuing, you consent to your keystrokes and data content being monitored. This message required by NASA GSFC CIO."
I especially like the "You should have no expectation of privacy" part, at least they're honest about it... :-)


Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226581)

Monitoring keystrokes? On a HTTP-based web site?!?

Chinese could do it right (4, Insightful)

bogasity (517035) | about 12 years ago | (#3226586)

The Chinese should pay attention to the failures of the American and Russian manned space programs. Strict government control of access to space results in the loss of public interest and ultimately the reduction of the program to tasks that have been done over and over before. If the public knows that they will never have the chance to go themselves they will not support the program over other national priorities; even national pride only lasts for so long. If the Chinese were smart, they'd design their space program to be self-sustaining using the dollars of Western passengers right from the start. The line of people hoping to fly on the October Soyuz mission to ISS keeps growing; send some of them up. Design for a large number of paying passengers right from the start; create the volume market.

In other words... (1)

ThomasXSteel (545884) | about 12 years ago | (#3226598)

China tests ICBM delivery system.

There's a very fine line between manned spaceflight and dropping nukes on your ideological counterparts. Not that it is imminent or anything but I'm sure China would be a little more comfortable with a mutually assured destruction scenario (as opposed to simply being a target on the US nuclear hit list [globalsecurity.org]).

Don't think for a second that club fed isn't keeping very close tabs on china's spaceflight program.


counterparts (1, Flamebait)

autopr0n (534291) | about 12 years ago | (#3226718)

Counterparts are people 'like you'. IE, Mao was Castro's idiological counterpart. You should learn what words mean before using them.

Un-manned??? (1)

Linuxthess (529239) | about 12 years ago | (#3226606)

I guess thats why CmdrTaco was chosen for flight dummy.

In case you're wondering, Eunuched and Un-manned are not the same thing.


Challenges in space (1)

Shooter6947 (148693) | about 12 years ago | (#3226631)

I think the fact that the Chinese have their own manned space program going is the best thing to happen to the American space program in years. This country works best under pressure, and always has -- examples: WWII, cold war, moon race. When NASA was competing with the Russian space program, we did all sorts of cool stuff like the apollo program, the Viking Mars landers, the Voyager spacecraft. Even the Space shuttle, at the beginning.

Now the Russian space program has imploded, and we haven't done jack for 15 years. The space shuttle has been flying for longer than the time between when Alan Shepherd flew and when the first shuttle flight, because the American manned space program has become complacent. Oh, okay, I guess we did blow $60 billion on a big pressurized can in space that people can go up to learn how to fix. . . But seriously, imagine if the Chinese were to start a program to return to the moon, or to go to Mars -- would we still be wasting our time and money on scientifically useless porkbarreling in Earth orbit then?

China chinc waw chang (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226642)

News for negroes. Stuff for darkies.









Space chopsticks (1)

CanadaDave (544515) | about 12 years ago | (#3226671)

I wonder if any special space chopsticks have been designed for the mission. Special chopsticks designed for the "harsh space environment" I mean. This got me thinking though, are the Chinese going to copy the American's methods of preparing dehydrated foods for space? Or will the Chinese go completely liquid? Or perhaps they have thought of some ingenious method of being able to consume normal everyday food without contaminating the vessel with food particles. I find it difficult that the Chinese "taikonauts" could give up their rice and noodles, etc... so easily. That may sound prejudiced, but I think North Americans can never really "miss" any of the foods they eat regularly, since they don't really have any foods they eat regularly (and I mean every day). The Chinese, however, (now someone please, correct me if I'm wrong) eat rice every day, as far as I know.

And also on a related subject, I wonder if there any other significant technological advances which have or will come out of this manned space program (space-related or otherwise).


tcort (538018) | about 12 years ago | (#3226674)

"As per usual, our good friends at NORAD have all the details of its orbit"

NORAD monitors Santa, other countries space flights, what next? the paper airplanes thrown during second grade recess.

Make your time (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3226678)

"WARNING!: U.S. Government Computer: If you are not authorized to access this system, disconnect now. You should have no expectation of privacy. By continuing, you consent to your keystrokes and data content being monitored. This message required by NASA GSFC CIO."

Translation: All your base are belong to us.

rumor from the old days (2, Interesting)

alizard (107678) | about 12 years ago | (#3226680)

I'm not entirely certain that the passenger is a dummy. There was a rumor floating around some years back that the first Russian missions allegedly "manned" by dummies actually were flying corpses, i.e. the life support systems didn't work as advertised.

Perhaps the Chinese had the same problem and decided to spin the PR the same way.

However, I hope this is not true and look forward to welcoming China to the "Man in Space" club.

Of course, it would be nice to know that NASA is responding with the nanotube-based space elevator project or an orbital-speed railgun to allow undercutting China's prices by a factor of a few hundred and their own current pricing by a factor of a few thousand.

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