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Sega doing PalmOS Games

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the virtua-fighter-in-the-palm-of-my-hand? dept.

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Bill Kendrick writes "Sega has demonstrated a number of games for Palm OS handhelds during a keynote address at the PalmSource Japan conference. PDA Live has the scoop. The games they've made so far aren't going to be released commercially, but they're available for trial download through April."

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Sega? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291468)

I like nintendo.

Re:Sega? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291504)

sex with your hand

Re:Sega? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291565)

sniffing balls
is what you do-
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fp fp fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291475)

What's the fucking point?

I do palm games as well (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291477)

But I don't imagine this will be as useful as Astroglide.

Re:I do palm games as well (1)

ZaMoose (24734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291602)

I'd give you some mod points, if I had any...

Funniest troll I've seen in a while. Kudos!

Re:I do palm games as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291926)

thanx my friend

Astroglide (1)

hobbbz (555461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292020)

Astroglide is the stuff of all stuff.

Woo Hoo! (2, Interesting)

angst7 (62954) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291485)

Finally a reason to buy a PDA. I'll need a suitable controller, but personal address books and calanders just never quite made these things interesting for me. Serious old school gaming will get me to CompUSA for one of these faster than all the financial apps in the world.

----
Jedimom.com [jedimom.com] , ph-balanced, for women.

Re:Woo Hoo! (1)

antitribue (524882) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291505)

At least I could stay awake in my statistics class if I had some games to play.

Re:Woo Hoo! (3, Interesting)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291652)

A novel idea (not really), but what I want is PDA-type apps for my GameBoy Advance.

Re:Woo Hoo! (2)

neonstz (79215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291975)

A novel idea (not really), but what I want is PDA-type apps for my GameBoy Advance.

Just write your own [gbadev.org] . With the space available (max 64 kB) for savegames, and 64 bytes/entry you should be able to store about 1000 names/phonenumbers. :)

How would one do text input on the GBA? (2, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291989)

but what I want is PDA-type apps for my GameBoy Advance.

I once seriously considered developing such an app (using free tools available here [gbadev.org] ), but I ran into two roadblocks:

A PDA needs a real-time clock that can wake the system from deep sleep to remind the user of an event. The GBA lacks both an internal clock and (to my knowledge) a reliable way for the cart to wake the system.

A PDA has a touch screen, useful for inputting text quickly through Graffiti or Fitaly systems. The GBA has an 8-way direction pad, four trigger buttons, and two tiny buttons next to the pad. How do we get text into the thing quickly?

Yes, there have been primitive organizers for Game Boy platforms (Workboy, InfoGenius, and Austin Powers), but I can't see how I would implement anything like the Palm environment. Anybody else have any ideas?

Re:Woo Hoo! (3, Insightful)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291699)

Why don't you just buy a Gameboy Advance?

Its build for gaming and has plenty of "old school" titles, including many Sega games.

I've owned various Palms throughout the years and while they have uses, they are pretty crappy game platforms for the type of games that Sega is talking about -- fine for Solitare or Minesweeper type games, I guess... Its not even a very good Tetris machine because the controls were obviously not laid out with gaming in mind...

Buying a Palm just for games is...rather silly, IMO, where there are far superior dedicated systems for that purpose.

Re:Woo Hoo! (2)

furiousgeorge (30912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291782)

>>Buying a Palm just for games is...rather silly,
>>IMO, where there are far superior dedicated
>>systems for that purpose.

(apologies to Norm Macdonald).

"This and other groundbreaking ideas in this months issue of the scientific journal 'DUH!'"

of course buying a palm just for the games at this point is silly....... but if you haven't checked, LOTS of people ALREADY own a palm. Maybe they'd like to buy a game or two?

From any economics 101 textbook that sounds like an 'untapped market'.

The performance diff between a GBA and some of the lastest PocketPC's really isn't all that much. Don't expect having dedicated portable gaming devices will exist too many years from now....

Suitable Controller (3, Informative)

beerits (87148) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291719)

If you are in the market for a controller for your palm check here [palmgamepad.com]

Article Text (2, Informative)

segfaultdot (462810) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291506)

Sega has demonstrated a number of games for Palm OS handhelds during a keynote address at the PalmSource Japan conference.

The games were developed specifically for the presentation using Metrowerk's Codewarrior and were run from a development board using a Motorola DragonBall MX1 processor. They featured colour animation and 3D texture mapping.

Sega announced in January 2001 that it would develop games for the Palm OS as part of a strategic move to exit the console business. It has already released a number of titles for J2ME mobile telephones. Sega was keen to stress the games, which included 'Smilebit', 'Borkov' and 'Triangle Magic', were not intended for commercial release, although they are available for trial download from http://pda.sega.co.jp/index-e.html which will stay open until the 30th of April 2002.

"When a new platform is born, developing and delivering a good quality software to the market is an important factor to drum up the business," said Shoji Ueda, President, Metrowerks Japan. "I think Sega's demo software has shown a possible path for developing game software for next generation Palm handhelds. In order to deliver a critical mass of software to the market, developers need a flexible development environment tailored to their needs. And it is our commitment to support and provide them with those tools."

Smilebit is not a game, it's a development company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291597)

Smilebit is not a game, it's a development company.

I want Red/Sakura Taisen minigames....

Re:Smilebit is not a game, it's a development comp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291617)

Long live Jet Grind Radio!

All your Palm are belong to Sega (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291507)

The first screen shot looked an awful lot like Zero Wing...

check it out. (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291508)

Quake on the PalmOS? [redcoat.net]

Looks a little iffy, like a hoax. Let the ironies spew from the crack

Re:check it out. (-1, Offtopic)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291522)

Mod down, EXTREMELY disturbing picture, not Quake on PalmOS

Interresting! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291512)

From:
http://www.salon.com/tech/books/2002/04/02/ stallma n/index.html

"In high school, Stallman got A's in math and physics, but he failed English because he adamantly refused to write essays of any kind. Williams speculates that Stallman may be mildly autistic, or even suffer from Asperger's syndrome, and he supports the theory with numerous observations from family and friends. Even in high school, other gifted math and science geeks were alienated by Stallman's out-of-kilter inability to socialize. "

The whole article is very interresting!

Re:Interresting! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291534)

Remove the space in "...stallma n/index..."

Re:Interresting! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291550)

Mod this one up! Indeed a very interresting article taking up all sorts of stuff related to the free software scene and Stallman as a person.

Great! (2, Funny)

AgentGray (200299) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291517)

"All your PalmOS are belong to us."

- I knew Sega was behind it all along.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291629)

Heheheheheh.

The text on that page written sure like seems translation bad. Like much before game other.

Nice to see they spent the extra money to pay for quality translations.

Damn them.. and yet, cool. (1)

binarytoaster (174681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291518)

Damn them for making me buy one of those controllers or a keyboard... and yet, it's cool because I wanted to use up more RAM anyway. :P

Sega's decision to become a third-party dev instead of a console manufacturer just keeps working better and better, eh? Maybe we'll see a Sonic game on the Palm .. *drool* Or better yet a Genesis emulator. Except you'd need the m500 series for that (or one of the others with expansion card support) because the ROMs would be way too big to hold in RAM. Still cool, though..

Re:Damn them.. and yet, cool. (2, Informative)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291558)

Genesis Emulator? :))

God damn you must be speaking about a Palm hardware that will ship in 10 years, maybe, because im part of a team that is developing an atari emulator and today Palms is damn slow do run it! :))

Re:Damn them.. and yet, cool. (1)

binarytoaster (174681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291586)

Heh.. well it was a thought. Maybe the PPC would be a better target for that, I guess... Come to think of it, when you have to OC it to make it run a GB emu, Genesis is out of the question. :P

Re:Damn them.. and yet, cool. (1)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291751)

lets wait 10 years! :)) maybe palmos would have full sound and graphic support as any real os does! :))

Re:Damn them.. and yet, cool. (1)

alernon (91859) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291593)

You should try to port it to newton messagepad. 161.9 mhz processor. ;)

Re:Damn them.. and yet, cool. (1)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291737)

OR ipaqs: 266 mhz! :)))

Re:Damn them.. and yet, cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291748)

The messagePad was only a 20Mhz ARM. And, there is only 640k of memory. And all but 150k or so are monopolized by the OS/NewtonScript interpreter, etc.

Does noone remember... (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291892)

Sega's decision to become a third-party dev instead of a console manufacturer just keeps working better and better, eh? Maybe we'll see a Sonic game on the Palm .. *drool* Or better yet a Genesis emulator. Except you'd need the m500 series for that (or one of the others with expansion card support) because the ROMs would be way too big to hold in RAM. Still cool, though

Genesis?!?! Damnit, does noone rememeber GAMEGEAR [roarvgm.com] ...

Best Quote From The Site: (4, Funny)

stevenbee (227371) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291523)

In Sega and Smilebit, including the software and the installation method which are opened to this HP, I do not support at all and it does not become precocious.

Gotta love Engrish! [engrish.com]

Re:Best Quote From The Site: (2)

TheGreenLantern (537864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291664)

Man, no lie. That whole sites makes Zero Wing look almost comprehensible by comparison.

Sega is a PUBLISHER not merely a developer (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291524)

Sega is a PUBLISHER not merely a developer and aquires other programmers games and publishes them.

No big deal to "do" palmOS games.

They just publish 'em if they like them.

Business Plan? (2, Funny)

rohar (253766) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291528)

We can't compete with Microsoft & Sony... so let's port some TRS-80 software to a handheld.

Re:Business Plan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291568)

Hehe, yeah. Some people still hasn't got that the dot-com bubble has burst.

Fact: If you don't do stuff thats possible to sell and/or don't charge for your work YOU WILL GO OUT OF BUSSINESS!

tiral download (2)

discoking (96611) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291530)

I recomend every one check out the download site, the broken english is hillarious

Re:tiral download (0)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291777)

What do you know the Japanese can not speak perfect idiomatic English! Kind of like how you cannot speak a word of Japanese, let alone idiomatic Japanese.

I love Japanese -- English Translations (3, Funny)

caferace (442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291532)

From the download site:

...please try the more interesting one right or wrong at once."

"The highly efficient library which our company developed uniquely this time and which makes drawing expression rich is included in the demonstration software introduced by the conference. the company which can develop the application of rich game development or rich power of expression -- since offer is planned like, please contact me to the following mail address about a library and application."

And finally:

"In addition, a general user -- a question [ like ] -- please understand beforehand that I cannot reply to an inquiry."

Phew...

Re:I love Japanese -- English Translations (1)

Anthracene (126183) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291585)

So who wants to be the first to submit this one to engrish.com [engrish.com] ?

Re:I love Japanese -- English Translations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291801)

Dr. Tashi, the head of the sega-palm games division, is well known for his sense of humor. Theree of us worked hard to make this site as cute as possible :) BTW, he's a fan of Pokimon type minuture dolls. If you ever happen to come by his office, you'd see what I mean, 70% of the space is covered by the, we can even sit on them, etc..

Now you might want to know why we used broken English here :) Well, if it's not already obvious... This is just marketting :) And it's working pretty well.

Re:I love Japanese -- English Translations (2, Funny)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291937)

"The highly efficient library which our company developed uniquely this time and which makes drawing expression rich is included in the demonstration software introduced by the conference. the company which can develop the application of rich game development or rich power of expression -- since offer is planned like, please contact me to the following mail address about a library and application."

Eurika! You've found the guy who wrote my old VCR instructions, always wondered what happend to him!

Somebody needs to work on their english (1)

phyxeld (558628) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291538)

You'd think a company the size of SEGA could afford to keep a couple native english speakers around to translate things. Aparently not though:

The highly efficient library which our company developed uniquely this time and which makes drawing expression rich is included in the demonstration software introduced by the conference. the company which can develop the application of rich game development or rich power of expression -- since offer is planned like, please contact me to the following mail address about a library and application

auto translation (1)

Lepruhkawn (199083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291675)

My company was working off of software specs provided by a Japanese corporation (big one).

The title of one of these documents was the phrase "Sauce Code" (source code).

One of my coworkers pointed out that he thinks they were just using translation software and there was no proofreading or anything.

Re:Somebody needs to work on their english (2)

Bearpaw (13080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291803)

You'd think a company the size of SEGA could afford to keep a couple native english speakers around to translate things. Aparently not though:

[cough] Apparently, being an english speaker would not be sufficient. I love how many of the posts ragging on the "engrish" have spelling and/or grammar errors. [grin]

Oh, great... (2, Informative)

Lurkingrue (521019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291547)

Another way to go blind!

Now, while I love my Handspring and think its both a great tool and a great time-waster, I have never found arcade style games on such a minute screen to be particularly compelling.

Honestly, even the best efforts in that genre -- and even with the new color, back-lit screens -- are just damn uncomfortable to try and see. After a long gaming session, I'd expect one's eyes to bleed.

There are exceptions, but there's always going to be the limitations of the straining human eye to overcome, and I don't think even Sega can do that with the restrictions that the current PDA architecture imposes.

Re:Oh, great... (4, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291562)

"Another way to go blind!"

RTFA, they're porting games, not pr0n.

Re:Oh, great... (1)

mh_tang (307188) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291929)

Can't wait til they port some pr0n games. I guess we'll be the "Palm Pilots" then.

Damn. (4, Insightful)

Gid1 (23642) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291555)

This is what I've been dreading for ages -- a big player in the Palm Game cottage industry. The thing about Palm development is that it's nice and friendly, but it's not *too* capable.

As a result, some teenager in his garage can write the best software. It's like back in the eighties when ten-year-olds would be writing assembly code and games were *playable* rather than *pretty*. It's an area of the software industry that throwing money at the task won't help.

I've been writing a pretty large scale Palm game on my own for the past six months, and it's still a long way from completion. I really don't want a big player to come in and start causing trouble for all us small-time developers.

Sorry about the unstructured rant, but I'm just annoyed now.

Re:Damn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291605)

Oh don't worry. Pretty soon, they will discover your game and buy the rights to it. And most likely, it will disappear.

Its all about investor's money. They will buy everything and pick the glitziest marketing potential for further development. Too bad you will sign over alll your rights.

Re:Damn. (1)

Winged Cat (101773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291607)

It had to happen eventually. And, who knows, maybe they'll make a playable game, instead of just, say, Sonic zoomed in so far he moves one screen length per frame. Their demos don't look too bad.

Re:Damn. (2)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291624)

I wouldn't be if I were you: these games load slowly (way too slowly) and seem to come from people who have a console/pc mindset (i.e. the fact that you have to sit through splash screens, that when you leave the game and return you have to start from scratch, etc. etc.).

Given all the extremely high quality free/shareware games already available for palm on palmgear and freewarepalm I really doubt that the entrance of a 'big player' will make that big of a difference.

awww, cant stand a little competition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291678)

aww, poor little karma whore can't stand a little competition from the big bad sega?

Re:Damn. (1)

bob_dinosaur (544930) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291765)

You're really annoyed that some good games developers are starting to write Palm games? Which will improve the quality of the software available on the PalmOS platform? And increase the profile of the games industry on PalmOS? And all because your game might look crap in comparison?

Well boo hoo. Tell ya what - why don't we restrict the quality of all software development in the world so your fragile pride won't be hurt? Would that suit you? Didn't think so. Grow up.

Re:Damn. (2)

Gid1 (23642) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291925)

Not really.. I'm worried that a company with a lot of money will start pumping out high-profile high-budget games which are most likely not as enjoyable as the hobbyist/sole-trader developed games.

If that happens, I suspect a lot of users will be wowed by the glitz of the big games and spend their money that way, even though the smaller games are probably better thought out and more fun.

High budget doesn't necessarily mean *good*, but many users will perceive it that way, and might ignore the lower profile low-budget games.

I think of it like the difference between Hollywood and independent films.

Of course, Sega have the right to enter this market. I wouldn't ever want otherwise. That doesn't mean I'm going to personally enjoy it, though.

I have the same opinion about the X-Box. I applaud the fact that Microsoft *can* enter that niche, but it still annoys me. I hate it when they find a way to make more money and get more power.

Oh, and from what I see of their demos, I don't think my game's going to look crap in comparison!

Incidentally, is Smilebit still part of Sega? If not, is Sega acting as publisher and Smilebit as developer? Having a high-profile publisher for Palm could be handy.

Re:Damn. (1)

mph (7675) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291931)

You're really annoyed that some good games developers are starting to write Palm games? Which will improve the quality of the software available on the PalmOS platform? And increase the profile of the games industry on PalmOS? And all because your game might look crap in comparison?
Sure, because we know successful companies always compete on their technological merit, rather than marketing, lawsuits, or legislation.

Graphics cards for PDAs? (2, Funny)

knuu (449167) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291556)

So, how long until NVIDIA or whoever releases a GeForce XYZ PDA Power Ultra v4 graphics cards to power the soon-to-be-announced QuakePDA 4? Sweet.. :p

Re:Graphics cards for PDAs? (from ATI) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291595)

Check this out - PDA graphics accelerator from ATI: http://www.ati.com/technology/hardware/imageon100/ index.html

Re:Graphics cards for PDAs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291731)

Anything to make that tiny screen look better :)
heheh.. I'll buy it.

Quick test (4, Informative)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291572)

Note: I have an oldish Palm iiic.

The games load fairly slowly (10-15 seconds, maybe they're doing some precalculation or something) and you have to sit through slowly fading in/out Sega/Smilebit splash screens (come on, seeing it once should be enough!)

Triangle looks cute, like some old MSX Konami game, but as soon as I selected (out of curiosity) 'quit game' from the menu, I got a 'fatal exception' and had to *hardware* reset -> game deinstalled.

The other game seems definitely addictive, and it hasn't crashed yet, so I think I'm going to keep it for now: the rotation of the square is a bit choppy, but the user interface is really cool. Sucks that, unlike most palm games, if you switch to some other application and you re-enter the game, it just starts from scratch instead of remembering where you were.

More Sega PalmOS (3, Informative)

meknapp (300654) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291579)

Also, Sega has an official commercial relase on PalmOS - Sega Swirl. You can download the free "light" version, or the full version at the Sega Swirl website. [segaswirl.com]

Sega Swirl is an addictive puzzle game - originally a freebee for the Dreamcast, and later ported to the PC. The Palm version allows people to play head-to-head via IR link. Plus (unlike the demos mentioned it the article) it runs on monochrome Palms.

Re:More Sega PalmOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291921)

Isn't this the "Same Game" from old MacOS days? I used to play this on long flights on my PB Duo 240c. Made the most of the ~30 minutes of battery life I got before it shut itself down.

Ahhh the good ol' days

Good for Sega (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291581)

I'm glad to see that Sega is branching out. They've always made excellent games. I still play my dreamcast almost everyday. And finally I can use my PDA for something useful.

lan parties (2, Funny)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291588)

Hope they build a Quake clone to palm so we can all group and play it with our palms on a lan partie! :)))

damn, imagine you talking to a friend near you at a palm-lan partie: "hey, check it out, i modded my palm, it has transparent case, neon lights inside, geforce 4, and everthing else..."

Re:lan parties (1)

muck1969 (237358) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291656)

Palm de Cool [fureai.or.jp] used to be a great source to see how to 'trick out' a Palm device. Metallic cases, clear buttons w/ LED flashing in NightRider sequence, and Cellular phone connections were among the many mods that were made by Japanese enthusiasts. Too bad they had to discontinue.

Re:lan parties (1)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291701)

hahahhahahha

man, they even build earphones so you dont disturb people with your beep beep! :))

Bah (2, Interesting)

BiggestPOS (139071) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291589)

In my opinion, Sega makes the best games, and now I can't just own a Sega made console to play all their great games, I have to own a Palm, Xbox, PS2, and random hand-held devices. My addiction is now a lot more expensive.

Big market? (2, Interesting)

xerph (229015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291601)

I can't imagine this being extremely profitable for sega. Although a lot of the new devices are built more like gaming controllers (I know the buttons on the latest HP jornada is similar to an oldschool NES controller), how many people would buy retail games to install on a handheld device when there's so many better alternatives for gaming.

If the games are priced the same way as console games I can't see many people buying them, and if they are cheap enough to raise the quantity demanded significantly enough, sega probably won't make much money on them anyway.

check out the english translations... (0, Redundant)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291609)

on those websites! :))

it reminds me of ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US and SOMEBODY SET US UP THE BOMB!

For more English translations (1)

AnonymousDot (517935) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291643)

Have a look at this site: www.engrish.com [engrish.com] . You'll find plenty of fun for the annoying week-end coming-up... It's even worst than CowboyNeal English!

The specs require more than I can supply (4, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291648)

The page says the game requires "3.5 or more PalmOS(s)". I can get two instances of PalmOS running at once, *maybe* two and a half on a good day, but three and a half Palm OSs... man, that's more than I can do. They must have some really good engineers over there.

I Wonder (4, Insightful)

guamman (527778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291649)

I Wonder when they will start making some games for Texas Instrument [ti.com] 's line of calculators. If the TI-92 [ti.com] can do multivariable calculus, it should be able to play some really decent games. Doom anyone?

Re:I Wonder (1, Offtopic)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291730)

the TI-92 has had a doom type game since 1997 or eariler. i haven't been in that scene for ages, but i suggest you get Fargo (or Fargo 2 if it is out... or Fargo 7 if it is out...).

asm programming on ti-92 is very powerfull... same chip as the old personal macs i believe.

Re:I Wonder (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292012)

Someone actually *was* working on a clone of Wolfenstein 3D for the TI-89/92+

Other things prevented him from completing it, but the demo is out there (can't recall its name, and ticalc.org is down as I write this), and it was quite smooth.

Further tricks common to TI games would allow 4-7 level grayscale, though they weren't sure how to handle AI/Map storage.

Power up! (1)

Chagatai (524580) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291654)

I liked this:

"The games were developed specifically for the presentation using Metrowerk's Codewarrior and were run from a development board using a Motorola DragonBall MX1 processor."

So, it took like half the presentation just powering up and glowing a weird shade of yellow, right?

Re:Power up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291668)

DBZ PORN RULES!

Re:Power up! (2)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292026)

The Palm V runs a Dragonball ZX (At least, I think it's the ZX) processor.

This has already begun. (2, Interesting)

Tha_Zanthrax (521419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291657)

Sega's Swirl [segaswirl.com] game is already released for PalmOS

Competition for the GBA? (2)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291658)

Can the Palm (or other handheld PCs) become actual contenders in the portable gaming markets? I've noticed more and more people (John Romero, Tom Hall, SEGA) developing commercial games for the Palm or PocketPC. Good ones, I've heard. How big is the market for this sort of thing?

The only thing that concerns me is game control. Handhelds are not designed to be gaming-conducive. Heck, I hear some models won't let you press two buttons at once. But using the pen might make for some interesting games. I could easily see an RTS working like that. Or a Bezerk-like shooter where your character fires at the location your pen is pointing at, while you move him around with the directional pad. Lots of possibilities.

Re:Competition for the GBA? (3)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291705)

Believe it or not, I don't think games on PDAs would actually compete with the GBA. The reason is that these games are likely an attempt to get more people to buy the PDA's themselves.

I'm willing to bet that most people made their choice to buy a PC over a MAC (like 10 years ago...) because the PC had a ton more games. This may sound silly to a non-game-player, but consider walking into CompUSA, finding that PC has shelf after shelf after shelf of software, and then going into the corner where the Mac stuff is. Even if you don't play games, the psychology of this may come into play.

The GBA will always be a better game machine than any PDA. It's dedicated to games and it shows. However, the PDA gaming market would likely do just fine for those of us who have one but aren't sure what to do with it besides keep phone #'s.

In other words, the two markets likely touching borders.

Re:Competition for the GBA? (1)

binarytoaster (174681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291728)

Sega's also developing for the GBA, though. And really, I'd say that the Palm will never surpass the GBA for gaming. Simply put - the GBA is designed to do nothing but game. It's optimized to that end, and there are many many games for it. Compared to the Palm, which I will admit is a nice platform, but it's designed to be a small computer. It doesn't have a high enough CPU speed to match the GBA's capabilities (there's even a 3D engine being developed for it). Also remember that a GBA is far cheaper than a Palm by at least 20 bucks, depending on which model you're looking at.

Obviously a Palm will never be competition for a GBA if you're looking for a gaming system. On the other hand, if you're looking for a couple games to play and don't really want to buy an entirely new piece of hardware, and you already have a Palm, then yes, you'd just get some games for it.

But saying the Palm could compete with a GBA in terms of gaming is somewhat like saying a computer running Linux could compete with a, say, Gamecube for gaming. (Hey, it's the best I could come up with.) There are a few games out for it, but they're nothing compared to the system designed with that sole purpose in mind.

They don't work on Visor Prism (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291679)

Both games crash my prism, white screen of death requiring a hardware reset.

Awesome! (3, Interesting)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291691)

I particularly like Triangle Magic, which has turned my $400 Handspring Prism into a magical white screen.

Alas, no triangles have appeared yet after waiting 5 minutes.

:-(

Re:Awesome! (1)

(startx) (37027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291851)

same here, except mines a $200 handspring prism from ebay... still waiting for any action

Yeah, it's off subject... (2, Interesting)

arloguthrie (318071) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291697)

...but everyone's having fun with the Engrish translation, so I thought I'd share this one [kyocera.co.jp] for a Kyocera Video Phone. Scroll down to the first sample "Answering machines with images".

By the way, neither of these games seem to work on my Handspring Visor Prism. Just a blank white screen that sits there forever and requires a reset. Anyone else having the same problem?

soft reset required... (3, Informative)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291702)

well, borkov successfully crashed my visor prism.

Re:soft reset required... (2)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291745)

update... as did triangle. i also got a magical white screen of death.

is it possible to make palm hardware specific games for palmOS???

B&W (1)

bitva (206067) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291704)

It would be nice if they'd release the games for B&W screens.


the poor or destined to have monochrome

What I'm waiting for... (2)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291723)

Sonic on PDAs. :)

Re:What I'm waiting for... (2, Interesting)

akac (571059) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291865)

If you get a Compaq iPaq 3800 series, it comes with a Sega emulator that includes Sonic, Baku Baku, and 4 in one.

Re:What I'm waiting for... (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291953)

Hook my IIIc up with a modem, and let me play
Phantasy Star Online [phantasy-star.net] on my way to work...

Poo. (1)

GregWalrath (9458) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291740)

Color only. I guess I'll have to wait until I get something to replace my old Palm VII.

3D Games on a PDA are not a killer app... (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291811)

I was rather disappointed when I saw the screenshots of '3D Demos'. Nobody is going to want to play Mario 64 for very long on one of these devices.

I played a port of Quake on an iPaq once. It was kind of cute, but it didn't take too long for the gimmick to wear off. What was once 3D, while I was excited about it, turned into a puddle of pixels. For a screen that small, they really need some sort of filtering (bi-linear?) to make effective use of the screen realestate. Otherwise, it's just awful.

I am surprised at Sega for going down that road. One only needs to look at the strengths of these systems to realize the true gaming potential of them:

- Stylus Interface
- Ability to easily turn on and off without resetting the game
- The demographics of who owns these devices
- The IR Port
- Clarity of text on the screen

If I were a game company looking to make a game for a Palm Pilot, and considering these observations I made about the system, then my first choice for a game to develop would be a turn-based strategy game. Think about it, you could have a really long term game going (like MONTHS) and play it anywhere. You could play it for 20 minutes in your bed before going to sleep. You could play it in the can (during work hours!). You could play it while waiting for your bus. I hated CivII on my PC because it took so damn long, but I think I'd love a port of this game on my PocketPC because the system really lends itself to it.

As long as the game isn't terribly reflex based, this would be a perfect fit for this system and it's audience. Puzzle games are also quite perfect for this system as well. I've spent many hours playing reversi.

3D doesn't fit this system at all. I suppose if anybody could make it work, it'd be Sega. Boy would I be surprised, though.

ZIG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291854)

When you may be unable to download at the time of rush hours, please set time and download it again.


Yes, please set time!! Set the bomb up too.

Only supports color (1)

jbarr (2233) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291867)

I loaded the programs on my Palm Vx, and when I tried to run them, I got the error message:
"Hardware Incompatible.This software operates only from a 8bit color correspondence model."
I know this is just beta, but I hope they release a greyscale version!

ob engrish (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291935)

All your palm game are belong to us

It had to be done :)

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