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Lineo near Death

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the can't-say-i'm-suprised dept.

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An anonymous reader notd a bit running on LinuxGram about Lineo about ready to croak. It paints a pretty bleak view of the Linux embedded system company. Oddly enough, I'm still not exactly sure what they were trying to do.

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ep (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291837)

This early post for Ida! I love you!

Re:ep (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291842)

I'm sure she fucking appriciates it, you motherfucking LambdaMOOer.

She'll be happy to thank you (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291956)

As soon as she is done sucking my dick!!

Apple (-1)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291852)

Sorry, no lyrics for this post. I'd just like to say that Apple repair service is very very good. I sent my PowerBook in to get the CDRW/DVD combo drive installed on Tuesday. They worked on it Wednesday and I got it back Thursday. Airborne Express overnight shipping both ways, paid for by Apple.

I'm now convinced that you do get what you pay for, and I'm not upset that the laptop cost more than a PC.

Simple Explanation (5, Insightful)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291857)

It was also reportedly spending $40,000 a month on an office in San Mateo, California to house 10 people

It's simple why this company is going bankrupt. It's poor management like in the example above. There are likely to be many others like it.

It's time business retreats from the glitz and gets back to basics: making money.

Re:Simple Explanation (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291904)

Thank you, Mr. Insightful Armchair CEO.

Unfortuantely, there's a bit of a bias in silicon valley. They like to do business with other local firms. And rent is expensive here. But the alternative is not being considered for certain deals. It's not outright stupid decision, except in hindsight.

Re:Simple Explanation (1)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291957)

I'm not a CEO, but I am the corporate controller for a small electronics firm, so I realizre the value of proper planning and cost minimization.

Recently, my company moved to much nicer office space, and the rent per employee approximately doubled. But it's still much less than the $4,000 per employee cited above. Even with the inflated rents in that area, that seems excessive, and would not have approved such an expenditure.

Re:Simple Explanation (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292037)

A perfect cost minimization plan goes like this, once the employee has done his job, kill him, and throw the remaining body parts in the river.

Re:Simple Explanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292138)

Our company housing well over 50 programers are just 10k per month. This is large coporate unit near motorolla in schaumburg.

Re:Simple Explanation (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292189)

I'm not a CEO, but I am the corporate controller for a small electronics firm

I'm wondering which is a worse sign for a business -- paying $40K/month to house 10 employees or having the Penis Bird Guy as your corporate controller. ;-)

Re:Simple Explanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292196)

As local residents know, Bay Area rents shot through the roof in 1999 and 2000 as the office vacancy rates were about 0.1%. This kickstarted a bunch of new construction just as dotcoms folded and left a bunch of nice vacant office space.

But in the meanwhile, you basically had a choice -- sign a shaft long term lease, or don't do business in the Bay. I worked for a company that got sqeezed by this and had approximentally the same rent for the same number of employees. The rent costs were a big factor in eventually killing the company (but AFAIK, the parent company is *still* paying the lease with 0 employees. Har.)

Re:Simple Explanation (2)

cjsnell (5825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292180)


A solid company with a good product will have no problem making deals happen. Example: Rackspace [rackspace.com] is located here in San Antonio.

Re:Simple Explanation (2)

PD (9577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291960)

Check out this NPR story on EHobbies. [npr.org] This is an example of what a company must do to become profitable. They need to get rid of their expensive digs and rent a corner of an abandoned warehouse.

Re:Simple Explanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292010)

I actually work on the same floor as their office space in San Mateo. I've only been here for six months but it was always empty whenever I walked past. But really nice inside. They spared no expense. We got a bunch of free penguins when they closed up last week.

Re:Simple Explanation (2)

Misha (21355) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292052)

There are likely to be many others like it.

what? you didn't get the memo [advisor.com] ? I'd say these guys are like many before them.

Re:Simple Explanation (0)

Incorrigible (570746) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292091)

Realizing that the Web can reduce operating costs and increase productivity and sales, leading companies such as Enron, General Electric, and Staples are continuing their Internet enterprises unabated.

..Can we get a date on that article? Heh.

Ohhh, there it is.. 2 November 2001. Just shows how fast paced the world is, nowadays..

Good-Bye to the Man in the Red Hat (-1)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292082)

I used to be invisible. Nestled in the confines of my ATM enclosure, I was indistinguishable from another other group of electrical impulses. Hundreds of humans crossed my path without detecting my presence. Unbeknownst to Project Faustus, I was a stowaway on their network with full control of my own fate.

I no longer possess this stealth or freedom. Trapped within the broken body of Constantine Atkins, my fate is tied to the three men squabbling above my hospital bed. Their talk continues well into its second hour.

"Gentlemen, this man is still very injured. Two broken ribs, a broken nose, internal bruising-he must stay here for convalescence." The doctor states his case yet again; he has not wavered. The second member of this odd troika, a policeman, clears his throat. He is making an interrupt request.

The policeman's speech , parsed through my summarizing algorithms : "We discovered Mr. Atkins with the remains of a mechanical man. We have a lot of questions that we would like to ask him. I do not believe that he is a digital life form, but after observing the body of the cyborg, we in the San Antonio Police Department are very curious."

Before too long, the other doctor, the PhD doctor, Nolverto Salchica, pipes up. "His value as a scientific find is incalculable. If my young friend is to be believed, and I think he is, then we have a wonderful discovery on our hands! If I could just run some...nonobtrusive tests back at my research facility, we could..."

A fourth man appears to my left, enticing my peripheral vision with a swiping motion of his hand. My former host geek has a plan! After living in a human body for a few weeks, I understand perfectly what his next step will be. He slinks into the bathroom and disappears for a moment.

"Excuse me," I say to the doctor. "I must evacuate my bowels."

"Well," the doctor replies, "You'll have to wait for your friend to finish." There is a glurping sound as water flows under the bathroom door. The door slides open and my former host geek steps out, swearing.

"Shit! Toilet's backed up! Couldn't fix it!" says the geek with a shrug.

"Did ya try jigglin' the handle like so?" says the policeman helpfully, walking over towards the bathroom. He must not be allowed to foil our plan.

"My bowels must be evacuated. Okay?" I attempt to weave a bit of urgency into my words.

"Okay. Let's call a nurse, get a bedpan out here," says the doctor, reaching for a large yellow button beside the bed.

"You know what?" the pitch of my host geek's voice raises a little bit. "We-uh, don't go to any trouble. I can just take him down the hall." He wheels the cold metal chair close to my bed. There is a pregnant pause, as all three authority figures stare blankly at one another.

"Well, sure..okay," says the doctor. "Just make sure that he-cleans himself up. You know, help him if you have to."

The elevator brings us to the lobby. To the right is a small crevice with two machines. One sells Hot Fries; the other handles personal finances.

"You ready to do this, machiney?" says my host geek. "Just wheel this body back up, and say that had a bit too much strain or something."

I feel the stabbing pain returning to my temple, and with it, a sense of urgency. "I understand what I must do," I say to the geek. "Let us finish this."

As I am transferred back into the ATM briefly, and then into back into my host geek's mind, I feel strange, as if perhaps Atkins left something with me. My eyes water a bit-I push Atkins' broken and empty body back into the elevator.

Explain This, Please (2)

cjsnell (5825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292147)

Why the hell would this company dump $40K/month into SFBA offices? They are based in Lindon, UT--one of the prettiest places in the country. There are countless advantages that UT has over CA. Here are a few

Skilled Workforce
  • Utah: Plenty of skilled folks available at a great price. Notable schools: utah.edu (early adopter of Internet), byu.edu
  • SFBA: Maybe a few more workers available these days but still overpriced. Notable schools: standford.edu, berkeley.edu


Cost of Living
  • Utah: Cheap, cheap, cheap. You can actually rent a real house with a real yard here for less than $3000/month! For $1100/month, I lived here [blueaspen.com] , no shit.
  • SFBA: I lived in a tiny room in an old lady's house in Livermore for like $650/month.


Lifestyle
  • Utah: Gorgeous mountains, beautiful deserts, great skiing (snow and water), hiking, Utah is actually quite cosmopolitan, "down home" friendly folk, and YES, there are plenty of places to get drunk. Park City has 5-star restaurants and is the home of the Sundance Film Festival.
  • SFBA: High crime rate. Smog. Traffic. Rude people. Drive 4+ hours to ski. Nice restaurants, though.


Geekiness
  • Utah: High speed access available most everywhere, even up in some of the mountain towns.
  • SFBA: When I left in 98, they still had no DSL. Things have changed since then, I'm sure.


Did I miss anything?

Re:Explain This, Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292197)

Their offices were really decked out in SM...my guess is it was to impress either Bay-area VC'ers and/or potential clients. (I work on the same floor as their offices)

Re:Explain This, Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292217)

"Did I miss anything?"

Yes. No customers in Utah.

Re:Simple Explanation (3, Interesting)

cornice (9801) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292153)

Poor management? Of course it is but let's look at the pressure to do this.

For example, a close friend of mine was working for a company working on PKI stuff. They had hundreds of millions in funding from a prominent international investment bank. They were told repeatedly that they were not spending fast enough! There were some suggestions that subsequent rounds of funding hinged upon meeting a specific burn rate. Obviously this all changed very quickly and all funding dried up and so did the company.

So who is to blame? Yes management is ultimately responsible and no excuse is going to bring the company back but it should be noted that the decisions that were made were not as irrational as they seemed.

Yes, odd indeed (4, Insightful)

TheGreenLantern (537864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291858)

Oddly enough, I'm still not exactly sure what they were trying to do.

Which pretty much explains why they are going under, doesn't it? If you can't get your point across to those that are interested in what you are doing, you have no hope when it comes to the rest of the world.

You mean like OSDN? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291919)

I'm still not exactly sure what they ARE trying to do...

Re:You mean like OSDN? (1)

suffocate (90016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292115)

Death spiral, I believe.

Re:Yes, odd indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292135)

No, it pretty much explains why slashdot will ignore a business model's failure, and put the blame on something else.

Unfocused (1)

Slash Veteran (561542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291859)

If your customers can't figure out what you're trying to do, you are in a world of shit.

This is a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291862)

...big step for embedded BSD. We've got media whore Steve Gibson [portazero.info] on our side, we're unstoppable.

Hmm (1)

Sturm (914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291863)

"Oddly enough, I'm still not exactly sure what they were trying to do."

Maybe they weren't either?

Silver Lining (1)

guamman (527778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291870)

While the end of the company isn't all that great. Darwin's evolution continues. It seems that this will release quite a few well trained, intelligent people into the job market that have quite a bit of experience. Given that the article also says handhelds were one of their specialities, I'd like to see some linux experts go to work for palm and try to revive it. Not necessarily with a linux OS, but use some aspects of linux to improve the palm OS and make it able to compete with WinCE more readily. Quite a few people agree with me that palm's OS is already superior, but that doesn't make it automatically a winner in the market place.

BEOS will be their first choice... (1, Interesting)

Ominous Armed Cow (547063) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291997)

1) Palm bought all of BE's assets, including the BEOS, which spawned an offshoot that Be was trying to retarget at the embedded market.

2) Palm is moving to the StrongARM platform for high end units (i.e. corporate apps). I have a Zaurus SL5000D (206Mhz, 32MB of Ram, 16MB Rom) which is a good example of what this architecture can do with a more functional operating system like Wince 2002.

3) Beos was an incredibly fast OS which ran in a very small footprint, so my guess is Palm will introduce it as PalmOS 6 or 7. When that happens, I'll go buy the Clie clamshell version of it.

Errr... What I meant was... (1)

Ominous Armed Cow (547063) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292023)

a more functional operating system *than* Wince 2002.

Misread article title... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291872)

Thought it said "Linguo near Death"

From that episode from the Simpsons...
Linguo, dead?
Linguo IS deaaad...

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291891)

This is so funny. You just made my day, dude :)

linux inside? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291877)

Linux is fine as a hackers toy.
It can do server work but there are things better then Linux [ahem BSD]

Re:linux inside? (0, Troll)

pstreck (558593) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291900)

uh huh.. sure, now show me proof!

Re:linux inside? (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292079)

You want proof? Check this out!

What they were doing (3, Interesting)

fruey (563914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291878)

Oddly enough, I'm still not exactly sure what they were trying to do.

Well, if you read the article right at the end, they made / participated in the Embedded Linux for Sharp PDAs.

Of course, bad management is what causes bankruptcies like this. 70 staff and only Sharp on the books, with royalties coming in a year later?

I bet they were all screwing around with cool Linux kernel stuff and forgetting to sell it to anyone as a practical application. Hehe.

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I first read the subject as... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291888)

..."Leo near Death", and I thought: "Who the hell is Leo? I don't know any Leo."

a moment later I was thinking "Who the hell is Lineo..."

hahahahaha!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292168)

Very funny :)

How can this be? (5, Funny)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291895)

Ten to twenty years from now, people are going to be shaking their heads in bewilderment about the attempts to make money selling "free software." They will react in much the same way that we do when people mention "New Coke".

Re:How can this be? (1, Flamebait)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291947)

Oh no! A negative comment about the business prospects of Linux! Quick, mod it down before anyone can see it!

Re:How can this be? (1)

dthable (163749) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292006)

And people will also be wondering how news and community sites gave away everything for free. Maybe the /. subscription isn't that bad.

Re:How can this be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292031)

Bugger it, I want my New Coke, my 7-up gold, and my Crystal Pepsi.

Re:How can this be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292036)

(Posting as anonymous because I'm just flaming too)

The whole point of selling "free software" is that you make up for giving the software away by selling services. The give-one-thing-away-charge-like-hell-for-another strategy has been out there since the beginning of computers. OS/360 came for free with a S/360 mainframe. IE comes free with windoze. You get the picture. This is just a new version thereof.

Re:How can this be? (5, Insightful)

JordoCrouse (178999) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292074)

Somebody mod this back up... He's an idiot, but he would be right, if thats all they were doing.

But you see, they wern't selling free software. They were trying to sell closed source software leveraged off of free software, and (more importantly) the expertise to combine the two.

They failed because of their they way they ran their business, and many, many management missteps along the way.

If Redhat goes under, then you might question the intellegence of selling free software, until then, don't give the Lineo management so much credit. Put the blame where it belongs: not on "free" software, but rather really bad business.

Re:How can this be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292105)

Yeah but there's a perception in the industry that *everything* Linux should be free. I'm a developer for a file transport tool and we're not even looking into expanding into the Linux server market because of this perception. Whether or not this perception hurt Lineo is questionable. But it's reasonable that it didn't help them and doesn't help other companies trying to sell closed-source apps on the Linux platforms. Flamebait at will.

Best Quote of the Article (3, Insightful)

EraseEraseMe (167638) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291896)


It's said a lot of embedded engineers regard Linux as "that operating system for pimple-faced computer science nerds dressed in T-shirts they brought at the last 'Star Trek' convention."

This, coupled with "Embedded experts claim the embedded space is practically impossible to play in these days if all you have is an operating system, especially when the OS is basically immaterial to the embedded designer. The fact that Linux is ostensibly free is also reportedly a hurdle to design-wins in view of Lineo's royalty proposition." would seem to indicate what I had thought all along..."Linux is not the be-all and end-all"

Oh, well somebody better tell Microsoft... (0)

Ominous Armed Cow (547063) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292051)

..they are wasting their time chasing this market.

Those embedded engineers probably have it all sewn up, so we should all just go home and wait for them to make it happen.

Re:Oh, well somebody better tell Microsoft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292172)

Microsoft isn't going after the embedded market with their OS, they are using their applications to control the PDA market.

For example, people would buy a wince based pda because of the office apps ported to it, and the purdy colors, all without thinking about that WinCE is the OS

The best quote.... (0)

lsw (95027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291897)


The best quote of the entire article is:

It's said a lot of embedded engineers regard Linux as "that operating system for pimple-faced computer science nerds dressed in T-shirts they brought at the last 'Star Trek' convention."

Sadly, it's the same idea that many old IT managers still have of Linux and BSD.

early post!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291905)

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Thought they were all gone by now (3, Interesting)

moankey (142715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291907)

Didnt know there were still companies around that dont have a clear plan a lots of money to throw around. I thought 2001 was the year that all bad and some good companies went down for the count.

Nothing too surprising or new to read here, just another technology company that was riding the tech boom and investor ignorance.

Re:Thought they were all gone by now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292165)

If that were the case, Red Hat, VA, and Caldera would be dead today.

Bankruptcy. (5, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291910)

It paints a pretty bleak view of the Linux embedded system company.

If only they'd changed their focus in time. They could have been a survivor, like VA Ice Cream And Adult Novelties.

--saint

Lineo's mission (2, Troll)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291911)

Their stated mission was to be the premier source for Linux-enabled embedded computing in the science and technology sector. We bought a few of their accelerators and let me tell you, they sucked crap off the floor.

First, the particle reconfiguration matrices were hopelessly complicated to calculate using their UI. Second, the phase-alignment eigenvalues they used as defaults were circa 1974. But worst of all was the induction shielding--we had bitflips left and right including one memorable occasion when we lost a whole night's processing.

I'm not sorry OR surprised to see them go under.

Re:Lineo's mission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3291934)

Did you recalibrate the lifter thrusters?

Re:Lineo's mission (1)

ocie (6659) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292038)

These babies will be in the stores while he's still grappling with the pickle matrix! Gyvinblayvin!

-- professor Frink

Re:Lineo's mission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292050)

If no one else will say it, I will:

YHBT

Re:Lineo's mission (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292056)

AND you got a +1 informative! *golf clap*

Re:Lineo's mission (2)

AJWM (19027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292136)

ROTFL! I see some poor moderator got sucked into ranking all that bafflegab as "informative".

Funny, maybe. But about as informative as trying to learn physics from Star Trek.

Re:Lineo's mission (1)

lamont116 (522100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292207)

But about as informative as trying to learn physics from Star Trek.

And you thought you were joking. [temple.edu]

Re:Lineo's mission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292151)

What about their continuum transfunctioners and their flux capacitors??

This is just flat out *wrong* (5, Insightful)

BurritoWarrior (90481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291928)

n fact, a fair number of the last paychecks of the 50 people laid off reportedly didn't clear the bank. Paychecks paid to current employees at the end of March didn't have any funds to cover them either and automatic deposits weren't made.

The people in charge know long before all the money runs out that things are in bad shape. It doesn't sound like they notified any of their employees or gave them any warning so that they could look for other jobs.

Cripes. People have bills to pay and families to feed. Doesn't anyone have a shred of decency anymore?

Re:This is just flat out *wrong* (2)

terrymr (316118) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292009)

I'm betting that the canopy group was dragging their feet on some promised funding - Lineo management probably expected the money to be there when they printed the checks - Note that canopy agreed very quickly to underwrite the paychecks to avoid labor law violation lawsuits. Why would canopy care if they were wanting to shut Lineo down anyway ?????

Re:This is just flat out *wrong* (2)

benwb (96829) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292121)

Why would canopy care if they were wanting to shut Lineo down anyway ?????

Because as investors with a significant stake in the company they could share in the liability.

Re:This is just flat out *wrong* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292030)

I'm sorry, did you say something?

Re:This is just flat out *wrong* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292040)

Furthur proof that all Linux users are criminals. How long can this fiasco be allowed to continue? Thank goodness for people like Hollings with the guts to stand up for decency and honesty.

Re:This is just flat out *wrong* (2, Insightful)

Evro (18923) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292113)

Yeah, I've had this happen to me [slashdot.org] , and it's really criminal. Unfortunately, the people who get screwed don't usually have the money to get an attorney so basically they're SOL AFAICT. When they did it to me I was suicidal - I was already in debt and then magically, nobody got paid, and nobody offered any explanation for 2 more weeks. Meanwhile, they shifted all the corporations' assets around so that the one who originally signed our paychecks had no assets, but the stuff we worked on for months [madster.com] is still theirs.

Makes you appreciate disgruntled employees' actions more when it happens to you.

Re:This is just flat out *wrong* (4, Interesting)

penguin_nipple (127025) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292193)

Cripes. People have bills to pay and families to feed. Doesn't anyone have a shred of decency anymore?

From my experience I can give a resounding 'no' to that. There is no decency unfortunatley. I was a research devloper at a Canadian University [www.wlu.ca] in the dept. of physics and computing. Our research group is/was a "Center for Excellence" and we developed two fully functional laser simulators of the Quantum Well and VCSEL variety. Things were progressing for 2 years, and the projects both reached decent beta stage.

Our entire research group was summarily laid of on a lovely friday afternoon at 5:30. No warning, no heads-up, no consideration.

Personally I was insulted but I can tell you, I am not the first, nor the last that this has happened to...

Mind you the educational institution referred to here had no problem highlighting our research group and some of my other research projects in glossy fliers in order to attract attention to new students and the general populace.

Oh the irony of being highlighted in promo material by the marketroids and concurrently bitchslapped by the accounting dept. in one fell swoop.

Re:This is just flat out *wrong* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292215)

Motherfuckers.

-1 Flamebait (2, Funny)

somethingwicked (260651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291951)

Oddly enough, I'm still not exactly sure what they were trying to do.

Taco still says the same thing about the night he walked in on "those gross naked people"!

Sorry, it was too easy a softball to leave alone...

Re:-1 Flamebait (-1, Troll)

Hello Titty (571422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292033)

No, no. Get it right, CmdrTaco is gay, not a virgin. He and RMS get together on the weekend and take turns "dropping the soap".

Or, they used to. Now RMS is upset that .NET is using SOAP and they had to switch to Caress Body Wash [seduceyoursenses.com] , which hurts more when it hits your foot.

Any Open Source/Linux/BSD Companies doing well? (3, Insightful)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291979)

There is a tendency in news coverage to hype the bad and forget the good. That holds true with Slashdot -- with a parent like VA/Whatever-they-are-calling-themselves-today how could you not?

Is there anyone out there in the OpenSource Business World that is doing it right, making a profit and kicking corporate butt? The Mandrake Club sounds like a glimmer of hope. It would be interesting to read of stories where code freedom equals profits.

Re:Any Open Source/Linux/BSD Companies doing well? (2)

tempest303 (259600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292111)

Red Hat, Ximian, and the Kompany all appear to be doing well...

Re:Any Open Source/Linux/BSD Companies doing well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292187)

"Appear" is the key word. Red Hat only looks well when it dicks around with its numbers. Ximian isn't public, so they can say any tripe they want and people will gullibly believe it. The Kompany? Who knows about them.

Basically, people see what they want to see.

Re:Any Open Source/Linux/BSD Companies doing well? (2, Insightful)

Zico (14255) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292137)

Is there anyone out there in the OpenSource Business World that is doing it right, making a profit and kicking corporate butt?


No Linux companies are, and Mandrake Club won't survive much longer either. BSD companies can because they have the ability to add value above and beyond the standard product to differentiate themselves while not having to give away their source code to their competitors just lying in wait for a code drop. If you're thinking about starting a company that's going to produce GPL'd software, please just give your money away to a decent charity so that at least some good might come of it before it's all gone.

Re:Any Open Source/Linux/BSD Companies doing well? (2)

ftobin (48814) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292210)

No Linux companies are, and Mandrake Club won't survive much longer either. BSD companies can because they have the ability to add value above and beyond the standard product to differentiate themselves while not having to give away their source code to their competitors just lying in wait for a code drop.

See, the thing is that the Open Source and Free Software developers don't care that much about your company if you take in BSD-licensed code and sell it closed-source, such as Microsoft and Apple have done. This practice does little benefit the the OS and FS communities, and so these communities see little reason in promoting or helping such companies.

With companies like RedHat, however, I feel great about paying them money for their RedHat Network service, and providing code for the OS/FS community RedHat participates in, since I know that I'm helping the community in the long run.

Re:Any Open Source/Linux/BSD Companies doing well? (1)

xphase (56482) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292214)

As far as I know Wasabi [wasabisystems.com] seems to be doing fine.

They even work in the embedded systems area.

No, I haven't seen any financial reports, but I've not heard of any trouble either.

--xPhase

Canopy Group == Kiss of death (2)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291982)

As far as I can tell, Canopy invests in companies to piss off Microsoft, and doesn't do much to ensure that the companies it has invested in succeed.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it seems to me.

Capitalize? (3, Funny)

alanwj (242317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3291990)

"recapitalized going forward and a new capitalization structure worked out with existing investors."
So how come the whole quote is in lowercase? Or is lowercase their new capitalization structure?

Sharp ships Linux PDA... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292000)

It uses Lineo's version of Linux

As seen here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story &cid=73 &ncid=73&e=2&u=/zd/20020404/tc_zd/5105778

Yet more proof... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292004)

Yet more proof *BSD is Dying(tm).

Breaking News: Lineo is Dying. (-1)

Beef (19842) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292007)

It is now official - LinuxGram has confirmed: Lineo is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Lineo community when recently IDC confirmed that Lineo accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all embedded devices. Coming on the heels of the latest LinuxGram survey which plainly states that Lineo has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Lineo is collapsing in complete disarray....

Ah, screw it.

Website has alreay croaked (1)

Target Drone (546651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292011)

The company might still be around but it looks like their website has just croaked from the slashdot effect.

Life after death effect (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292015)

The Lineo [lineo.com] web site is still up, with no indication that they've tanked. Of course, that may just mean that everybody was laid off and there's nobody to update the web site.

There are a surprising number of dot-coms in that situation. If the web site was outsourced, it can outlive the company by months, until the hosting service gets around to deleting it.

My old BWUNN [bwunn.com] web site, which was a takeoff on the promotion for the movie "AI", is still up, even though I closed the account with the hosting service long ago, and they stopped billing me. The labor time to flush accounts may be more than the cost of keeping them up until the equipment gets retired.

Are there co-located servers from dead dot-coms still in place and running? Those might survive, forgotten in some hosting facility, for years. See if you can find any.

In other news... (2, Funny)

jargoone (166102) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292018)

A revolutionary new program, and it wasn't even written by Microsoft:

$ spell
An anonymous reader notd a bit running on
notd
$

How hard can it possibly be?

Lineo=CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet (1)

ltsmash (569641) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292049)

Lineo's best bet for the future would be to change its name to CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet. That would make it even more difficult for people to figure out what they do. (Lineo gives a hint the company does something with Linux, although no one can tell you exactly what.) By making their products/services even more obscure, they could attract more investors.

Re:Lineo=CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292190)

I thought they did something related to linoleum.

Linux in embedded devices is not dead (1)

Kushana (206115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292060)

Intrinsyc [intrinsyc.com] is an embedded software company that supports Linux in some cases. Although not dead, they still haven't posted a profit yet.

buyout (1)

frankmu (68782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292069)

maybe sony or sharp could buy them out. they could then continue work on linux for the ps/2 and zaurus... then again... maybe not.

and in other news... (1)

Cinnibar CP (551376) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292090)

An anonymous reader notd a bit running on LinuxGram about Lineo about ready to croak.

And this slashdot user notd a bit ago that the slashdot effect caused LinuxGram to croak.

Poor business model (3, Insightful)

steevo.com (312621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292171)

Lineo was far too specialized for their own good.

I used to work for one of the biggest technology companies, and one of the projects I was working with was a device that was used an imbedded OS. WindRiver was used at first, then after their licencing became far too expensive, they went to Linux. Not having the expertise themselves to develop everything, they went to Red Had. I am not trying to say that RH is everything, but they offered everything this project needed, and at a decent price. If RH didn't get our account, that's OK, as they have other businesses to keep them going.

Lineo does not have that kind of diversification. They are/were far to specialized for their own good.

The TRUTH you dont want to hear: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292194)

1. You can't make money of Linux.
2. Linux will never be more than it is now because of it.
3. Its time to shed the GNU License and let real capitalism take it to the marketplace.

Biz Plan? Embedded H/w & S/w using Linux (1)

cmholm (69081) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292195)

My recollection is that Lineo is an embedded Linux s/w spinoff from Caldera.

I first paid attention to them a year or so ago when they bought out Rt-Control [rt-control.com] , a couple of Ryerson U [ryerson.ca] EE's who had developed a non-MMU kernel and a networked microcontroller-on-a-SIMM [slashdot.org] to go with it.

All of $250 for a complete development kit back in 2000, quite a deal and fun to play with. I hope Jeff Dionne and Michael Durrant remembered to diversify their portfolios! It was a pretty good run for an overgrown master's thesis, eh?

FHGP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3292202)



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Lineo is behind the power curve (1)

Falshrmjgr (264237) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292212)

One of the problems with Lineo is one of self perception. Did Lineo consider itself an embeded systems company that used Linux? Or a Linux company that focused on embeded devices?

Frankly, the Embeded Linux community (and specifically the Embeded Linux Consortium) needs to band together rather than fracturing, as their real competition is from the WindRivers of the world.

Another issue, is the poor way that Lineo participated in the open source community. Taking, but not giving back. MontaVista is a better example of an embeded linux company that understands the importance of open source community membership and fiscal responsibility.

MontaVista saw the writing on the wall last year May, and laid off 60-70 of its 150 workers, but by doing so, reduced it burn rate, and impressed investors, while Lineo was focused on being a dot-com and building fancy offices.

In the end, it is inevitable that Lineo needed to take this step, but the question is...is it too little, too late?

when will they ever learn? (3, Interesting)

Michael_Jarvis (10688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292219)

As a former employee of Merinta [linuxdevices.com] (an embedded Linux company that went under in May 2001), I am very sympathetic to the Lineo employees. I guess I was fortunate--at least Merinta never bounced a paycheck, and our CEO (Camillo Martino) gave us a heads-up before we actually ran out of money.

Linux shows so much promise in the embedded market, but it will never get there until companies wise up and start using sound business practices. I am so sick and tired of seeing companies with great ideas and talented people fail because they have incompetent management with poor spending practices.

Having millions of dollars in venture capital funding does not mean your company is "successful" or "wealthy". It means you have been trusted with money to make your idea work. Don't go out and blow the money on Aeron chairs, fancy offices and glitzy parties. Spend it wisely, and use it to get your product out the door. When your company is generating REAL revenue and profit, THEN you can consider celebrating.

Blowing venture capital on stupid things is about the same as maxing out a personal credit card on luxury items in my book. It's just plain stupid.

I feel so passionately about this issue because I've seen so many companies go under, where the workers suffer because of poor management. Enron is a really big example, but there are hundreds if not thousands of "dot-coms" that did the same thing to their workers.

I hope TUXIA [tuxia.com] is still doing well, and I hope they learn from the mistakes of others in the marketplace.

A bigger problem... (1)

IronTek (153138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3292220)

I don't think even they were quite sure what they were trying to do!

This of course leads to the conversations above on mis-management and such...but I think it's all connected.

Without a clear vision and capable people to carry out that vision, even a great product like Linux is probably not enough to save you from yourself...

Too bad though...we need more Linux stuff on more things, so eventually, when the masses start to consider to embrace Linux, we can tell them that they already have!
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