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Singing Cow To Attack CBDTPA

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the stampede dept.

News 501

karmawarrior writes "Gateway is launching an advertising campaign against Senator Holling's CBDTPA bill, which, apparently will include its cow mascot encouraging computer users to legally download MP3s and burn their own CDs." Wired also has a story; see Gateway's website for more, as Gateway takes a page from Apple's "Rip-Mix-Burn" playbook.

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Cows (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323016)

Ever had a cow lick and suck on your drooping balls? It's Heaven!

Re:Cows (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323042)

Excellent fp, Klerck. The society of AC salutes you on keeping the fp away from Anonymous Shitbags who are not worthy of getting the fp.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323019)


Wonder if they're gonna... (5, Funny)

Bob McCown (8411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323031)

...take a page from Chik-fil-a. I can see it now, 2 cows on a ladder, painting a billboard to say "Download more Zepplin"

What's Your Beef? (0, Flamebait)

Wintersmute (557244) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323269)

Because surely, there's nothing more persuasive that some good clean, bovine thinking.

Why is it that Americans aren't persuaded by the voice of reason, but a talking hamburger really helps you see things straight?

EmperiActic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323040)

The scene was UCLA. Two students were talking to each other. Their names were Heinz Klagendorff, an established editor, and Arthur Von Schmitt. Little did they know that a meteor was about to crash into the student parking lot. It landed on a BMW, destroying its entire frame. Suddenly, strange radiation started to flow from the rock. It physically altered the two men. It increased their size. Suddenly, a transparent image came from the meteor. It was of an old man in ancient robes. He said onto the two large fellows, "I am close to death, but my power will live on. I choose you, Arthur. You will have my god-like powers." He suddenly vanished into thin air, and the meteor disintegrated.
The mutation had severly torn their clothes, leaving them nearly naked. In the interest of not creating a scene, they ran off, and hid to avoid the crowds. Luckily, they made it back to their dorm room. They just stood for hours, thinking how much their lives have changed. "What the hell am I going to do? I'll never get to be a writer now," said Arthur in despair. " Wait! Didn't that old man say you have god-like powers?" said Heinz, trying to look on the bright side. " Yes, but I have to create the spell before I can use it. Wait; how did I know that?" said Arthur in puzzlement. "It seems now that I bear the knowledge to write magic and an infinite number of things. I can create enough spells to make me almost a living god. I can create an empire from this rotting, corrupted country. I shall be a true Emperor with supreme power over state," said Arthur, in complete upliftance from what seemed to be a predicament.
After a while Heinz snuck back to his room, while Arthur spent all night writing spells. The first few started off simple, but, as the more he wrote, the more complex and powerful they became. The following morning, Heinz returned to Arthur's room to see what was going on. He was suprised to see Arthur still writing magic. "Heinz, my good man. I've completed over fifty spells so far. Soon I can initiate the ultimate plan. Heinz, my friend, the United States is a rotting husk, filled with corruption and greed. What I propose is a constitutional monarchy, with me as the monarch. What do you say, old friend?" " Ah, what the hell. I might as well. It must be more exciting then finishing college," replied Heinz.
Three hours later, they were packed up and ready to leave college. Arthur then chanted a minor spell of creation, and summoned a '64 Cadillac, loaded up their stuff in the trunk, and drove out to the edge of town. They stopped at an area near the sea shore, and spent the night trying to plan their assault, which would take Los Angeles completely by suprise.
Late that night, Arthur just gazed out at the ocean, as a lightning storm formed. In a low tone he uttered, "It has begun." The next morning, Heinz and Arthur got up and readied themselves, using the troop designs they made. A powerful spell of creation was chanted, and suddenly one-thousand reptilian soldiers in battle armour with powerful looking three-chambered fully-automatic-rifles-with-a-kick-that-could-tear -your-arm-off appeared.
Arthur looked at Heinz's clothing, and then his own. It didn't seem like the clothing a warrior would charge into battle with. Then with the uttering of a few words, fine looking battle armour appeared on them. On Arthur sat a crown with three prongs standing erect topped with large, finely crafted rubies. The armour was highly crafted, completely black, shining like it caught the sun itself, with a fine gold trim around the shoulder and waist areas. It had two small lion heads on the chest that held a fine red cape. The sword sheath was black, with a finely decorated gold tip that held a powerful looking long sword with a silver horned skull with ruby eyes on the handle guard. He also wore purple pants with decorative armoured boots with a horned skull that had two ruby eyes. His forearm bands were black with a gold trim. Heinz's armour was similair, except that he wore a battle helmet. It was black with a gold trim around the face opening. It had two large horns coming out the side. On the top sat a silver skull similair to the ones that decorate the sword hilts and armoured boots, except that it had like a red unbraided tail coming from the top of the skull that came down.
With the uttering of a spell of creation, a fleet of troop transports appeared, each with a seargent and driver. The troops loaded up into them , and they departed, heading for Los Angeles. They left each in an even row, with Heinz and Arthur in the lead transports. Soon they approached the Los Angeles thruway. Unfortunately, it was during eight o'clock traffic. "Ah, to hell with this, we're driving through," said Arthur in rage. So, the massive transports roared, as they started driving over the cars in front of them. After a few transports ploughed through, the cars started moving aside. Just when they thought they saw the end of the traffic jam, a police car came speeding towards them. Arthur only stared, but then he signaled the driver to fire the roof cannon at the speeding police cruiser. The roof cannon's Gatling gun-like barrel whirled, unleashing a deadly spray of Magnesium-tipped explosive shells, that utterly annhilated the car in the wink of an eye. The front transports ploughed through the wreckage, not even taking notice of the burning steel on the road. The fleet of transports soon entered the city, heading straight for city hall. When they reached city hall, the tranports completely surrounded the place, as the 1000 Ingangasard soldiers poured out of the transports and completely surrounded the building, cutting off all routes of escape. A small contingent went in with Heinz and Arthur, heading straight to the mayors office. Heinz and Arthur barged right into the mayor's office, nearly breaking the doors down. The mayor came from the window. Obviosly she was staring down at what was going on in the streets. "What do you want?" said the mayor in fear. "We want the city old woman!" said Arthur with anger in his voice. "Oh no you won't, I'm not giving over this city to some muscle-bound moron and some wierdos in rubber masks." replied the mayor. "Look out there, you dried up old husk! The police won't stand a chance against my troops!" said Arthur, showing even greater anger than before. Soon, police cars were starting to head toward city hall, where the Ingangasard troops started opening fire. They were cutting down cops, patrol cruisers, and swat team members, showing little mercy. After an hour of fighting, the police surrendered. Soon, the Mayor surrendered the city over to Arthur. Then, everyone got back into the transports, and drove to the center of the town. There stood a bunch of old skyscrapers that would be torn down. "Let's save the city some money, and tear these monstrousities down for them. I shall replace them with a great palace that will be fit to rule my great empire from," said Arthur, basking in his glory. He then mumbled a chant, his hands started to glow, the buildings collapsed, as a huge tower bursted from the earth. Many more towers and buildings followed, until it revealed a monstrous gothic castle, indeed a structure to notice. As everyone went in, Arthur pointed out the troops' temporary barracks, as Arthur and Heinz went to the office, from which Arthur would command his kingdom. "Now then, Heinz, my good friend, we must plan out the attack wave in which we shall conquer California," said Arthur. The plan seemed simple. A simple suprise attack going out from all directions. The only problem was the lack of forces. "There is only one problem with our plan: we lack the forces to carry it out," said Heinz, sighing over the major fact that they forgot. "Heinz, my old friend, you forget; I'm the most powerful person on this God forsaken rock we call a planet. Give me a few hours, and I shall have the forces that I need," said Arthur in a near mad state. Arthur immediatly headed for the library, where his spell books were kept. After a few hours, there arouse a near deafening thunder, suddenly there appeared a swarm of fighter jets, 100,000 Ingangasard troops, and a battalion of menacing looking tanks. Arthur slowly walked back into the office and said sarcastically, "Is that enough forces for you?" and the two only laughed, as they looked out the window and looked at their vast addition to the army. Several days later, the entire force pulled out, including Heinz and Arthur, both mounted on huge magically conjured horses capable of supporting their weight. They headed out of the city by horse trails and such. About a half a mile out, they split up, heading for the surrounding counties of Southern California. The attacks moved swiftly with little resistance. They were well assured that not a single person would expect an invasion, especially from within their own state. They returned to Los Angeles the next morning with all of Southern California, from the Mexican border to Santa Babera all under Arthur's control. Later that week broadcasted from the palace on national television, was the coronation, that changed him from Arthur Von Schmitt into Emperor Arthur the I, founder and ruler of EmperiActic, "The Last Empire on Earth." In the next few months, people started to feel the change of the government. Strict measures were taken to prevent political corruption. It was very much like a witch hunt. Corrupt politicians were disgraced, and their sentences, not too leniant. Some were even sent to San Quentin.
There was also a need to replace the standard police force. They soon brought in Ingangasards who seemed just perfect; they're cool under pressure, their scaly hide is virtually impervious to all forms of bullets, and they possess the strength to handle heavy weapons. With these changes came almost a complete reversion to the thirties; police now started to carry improved Thompson sub-machine guns, and Ingangasards could use the once dangerous fully automatic pistols whose kick-back could dislocate a shoulder. This left human police to be transferred into undercover and plainclothes divisions.
Not too long after the palace came into being, also came a ressurection of Gothic and Victorian architecture, apparently inspired by the palace. The glass and steel skyskrapers were being replaced by buildings of these once forgotten architectural styles.
All of this happened when the United States was so deep in debt that they couldn't even afford to send in troops to retake Southern California. Yet still, there was more in store for EmperiActic.
The following months were rather hard for the new emperor, almost non-stop combat occured in the take-over of the rest of California. Many battles in these early campaigns would go down in history; the bombardment of Sacremento, the storming of San Francisco. Some called the Emperor a muscle bound, half-crazed bufoon, but they soon learned their lesson.
With the borders finally established the Emperor began concentrating on other matters, such as creating an ulimited source of Ingangasard troops. The answer was finally clear; genetic engineering would be used to produce the greatest warriors in Earth's history. The Emperor himself would lead the research team. With the Emperor heading the research team, the project was sure to be a sucess. The reason for such hopes was simple; the Emperor held intelligence beyond most human comprehention, and possessed a very creative mind. The project would also seem easy to start by basing the base on already known theories and facts in the field studied by many government agencies, and major corporations. Thus, the quest began to create the ultimate soldier.
It took months to get beyond the barriers that held back other earlier researchers. Even if this project did fail, they would have already made several ground breaking discoveries. Yet they did not stop or quit. They pushed further, letting nothing get in their way. The Emperor was said to be inspirational, never tiring or giving up. At times he worked all night just to get better results.
Soon, the team's first major product of their long research was completed; a large genetic incubator was created. Some called it a steel womb, yet a prototype was ready. The incubator had passed the initial tests with flying colors, but now came the real test. A large amount of genetic protoplasmic mass was placed in the incubator, and if the experiment worked, in approximatly three months, this pulsing mass of genetic goo would turn into a fully formed ingangasard.
With the first month a sucess, the Emperor ordered thousands more of these incubators to be constructed, before the end of the three month gestation period of the prototype. Just before the end of the third month, the three-thousandth incubator was completed.
With the physical construction completed, the easy part was completed. Now came the most crucial part; the development of the mind. Luckily, the Emperor already had a theory concerning the creation of a fully developed intellect and personality; a systematic randomization of images of everything around the Los Angeles area, from accents to archetecture and fashion hoping to create what would be a full fledged citizen of Los Angeles. This coupled with large amounts of educational images all being pumped into a mind thirsting for knowledge. This first genetically created ingangasard was a sucess. They named him Adam Nutz after Dr. Randall Stellson, the geneticist who created the genetic material that was the basis for the research team's engineering experiments. Soon Adam was brought into the ranks of the army, and three thousand of his brethren would soon become part of the Emperial legions.

whatever (4, Insightful)

CodeMonky (10675) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323045)

The Hollings bill has drawn the support of major recording companies, who believe fast Internet connections and an array of digital devices such as MP3 players and CD burners, as well as Napster and other file-sharing services, were partly responsible for a decline in album sales last year
Didn't sales go up when napster started and then descreased when RIAA went and shutdown napster?
Hell I know people who used to get Mp3's so they could decide whether to buy an album who now just get them to piss off RIAA.

Re:whatever (5, Interesting)

pgrote (68235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323272)


That would have been me. My CD collection soared when Napster was online. I would spend hours going from song to song from groups I liked. The songs I found may have been from earlier CDs that I didn't no exist.

The other thing that Napster did was turn me on to other bands. I would hang out in the chat rooms and ask for suggestions based on what I liked. People were happy to show me other bands. I'd download a tune, listen to it, if I liked it I picked up a couple more. If I liked them all I'd go buy the CD online.

Why did I buy the CD? Was it for a sense of obligation? Sheepishly I'll tell you it wasn't. It was for the simple fact that I like to rip my songs at 320K. I'd buy the CD, rip the songs to 320K and use the resulting MP3s to listen to.

That is fair use in my opinion and one that the RIAA wants to take away from me.

Re:whatever (5, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323276)

Sounds about right to me.

What I really see is the RIAA more concerned about *power* then *profit*.

Example: I went to and bought the Megatokyo collection - didn't like all of it, but enough of it was pretty cool (like the Megatokyo theme itself) that I figured the lost cost of $4 of an entire "CD" of MP3's was worth the cost.

I was taken to a little secure site, and allowed to download to my local computer. From there, I've transferred that music to my iPod, and everybody's happy. Kim Justice gets my $, gets my $, and I get some nice little tunes for cheap. And if I want a "real" CD, it's $10.

Now, look at the RIAA. They still want me to shell our $15-$20 for a CD, which I'm going to burn to MP3's anyway. Why not put up a website where I can either pay $10 for the CD, or $2 per song? I'd go for that - I didn't like the entire Cherry Poppin' Daddies track, but I would have paid $2 for each MP3 track I wanted.

But no - the RIAA hasn't learned what the Software industry has learned. Go after the big illegal distributors, and leave the little guys alone. If they gave me a way to go get Britney Spears "I'm a Virgin Slut and you Know It" single for $2, I would never feel the need to go online and get it illegally because I knew of a safe, secure, simple way to get it for a cheap ass price.

But because they are afraid of losing that power, because it might cut into their profit, they won't do it.

Disney fought the VCR for the same reasons - and makes more money from it now than from all their movies combined. Yet they refuse to learn from their own history with the technology of MP3's.

Those who don't learn from history aren't doomed to repeat it. They're just doomed.

Hate to say it... (2)

macdaddy (38372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323054)

...but for doing this, I now (temporarily) love that Holstein!

Re:Hate to say it... (2)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323168)

I watched the commercial and took it at face value. For the first time in five years, I felt the urge to buy a pre-assembled computer.

The cow is now infinitely cooler in my book than the 'Dude' guy from dell.

Re:Hate to say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323237)

My dead grandmother is infinitely cooler than the "dude" guy from Dell.

And I'm not talking about her current body temperature.

Re:Hate to say it... (1)

ziriyab (549710) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323270)

The cow is now infinitely cooler in my book than the 'Dude' guy from dell.

That's not saying much, is it :)

God bless that cow (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323055)

He won't cave into Disney and Sony.

Ok, but PLEEESE not the cow... (5, Funny)

josquint (193951) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323060)

Ok i'm all for lobbying against the bill...
but PLLLLLLLLLLEAAAAAAAASE dont show more of that cow!!!!! I hope Steve from Dell eats it! then gets mad cow disease and dies!!

Re:Ok, but PLEEESE not the cow... (2)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323100)

Would you prefer 'The Brain' in a Cow suit? (The same guy does the voices for Pinky and The Brain)

Re:Ok, but PLEEESE not the cow... (1)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323155)

Worse yet, that bull and bear in those Ameritrade spots.

Re:Ok, but PLEEESE not the cow... (5, Funny)

denzo (113290) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323226)

Dude, you're havin' a cow!

Uh, launching? (0, Interesting)

SuperRob (31516) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323061)

This commercial has been out for a while, and it was BEFORE this public derision of the bill started.

The commercial features Ted Waitt and a cow in a semi singing along to Devo's "Whip it".

This has been on TV for a couple MONTHS now. I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with the bill, but was just being used as counterpoint in the article, saying that while this bill is being submitted, a computer maker is suggesting that ripping audio and burning CD's is fair use.

It's no different than Apple's "Rip. Mix. Burn." advertisement a while back.

Read the article! (2, Informative)

MrP- (45616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323121)

Or go to the gateway site link [] , and watch the commercial [] (asf). It is not that same commercial at all.

Re:Different Commercial (1)

kk5wa (118020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323122)

You're had nothing to do with the bill. But the article refers to a commercial that does seem to be about the bill.

Knee-jerk reactions are not attractive.

Re:Uh, launching? (3, Informative)

Kiaser Zohsay (20134) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323266)

This is a new one. Hit the video at Gateway's site. Same cow, same Ted, same truck, but a with a different song. The dig at the Holling's bill is new too.

The song itself is available for download as an MP3 too.

Actually, when I first saw the "Whip It" version, I thought Gateway might be trying a "get them while they're still legal" type of thing. But this is way cooler.

*sigh* (5, Informative)

Carmody (128723) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323062)

While I think this is good news and all...

Gateway is another large company with an agenda, and ITS agenda happens to coincide with my interests, and so I think it is good news.

But really, what is the online-privacy and free-speech fight really? It is large corporations fighting each other to see which one gets to write the laws. There is a debate going on, but we are not really part of it, except as the Prize. If a divorcing couple fight over who gets to keep the Car, they aren't really worried about what the Car wants.

Re:*sigh* (0, Offtopic)

interiot (50685) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323154)

mod up

They are allies, not friends (5, Insightful)

ThePlague (30616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323185)

Where interests coincide, support. Where conflict, oppose. It's very simple. There are no "good guys" and "bad guys", just different people and groups of people with varied agendas. They do not have to be exactly like you, and insisting that unless they tow your line all the way down the line they are enemies is rather childish.

Hell, I've got about zero respect for Gateway products. They have effectively filled the consumer space crappy OEM PC manufacturer vacated by Packard Bell. But, at least they realize that stringent hardware requirements mandated by the government are not in their best interests. As this conicides with mine, yeah I'll support them by pointing out the issues they are bringing to light to the less tech-savvy. Doesn't mean I'll be recommending their products any time soon.

Grammar Nazi Alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323249)

the proper phrase is "toe the line" as in the sort of regimented conformity achieved when everyone gets in formation like good little mindless drones.

Re:*sigh* (5, Insightful)

firewort (180062) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323218)

Because, it isn't primarily about privacy or Free Speech. It's about the doctrine of Fair Use (17 USC 107) and the doctrine of First Sale (the notion that once something has been sold, the buyer can do as he pleases with the bought item.)

Gateway wants to retain the freedom to manufacture computers as it pleases. It sees this as potentially hurting their sales when buyers no longer want computers that restrict a buyer's possible uses for the machine.

Buyers are the prize in one sense, but the greater prize is "who gets to keep and protect their business model" - the content companies, or the computer companies--

The Car doesn't have free will to stop running reliably if it doesn't like the divorcee who wins custody. The Buyer does.

Singing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323065)

As long as cow-companion Ted Waitt isn't the one singing I think I'm okay with this ...

Surprising (3, Insightful)

rhadamanthus (200665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323067)

I was under the impression that the tech companies were not all to concerned with DRM as long as they still had stuff to sell to "consumers". Gateway is taking a strange stance for a large OEM in actually protecting its customers... what a novel idea...

However, wouldn't it just be easier though for them to fight "fire with fire" and send lots of campaign to some congresspeoples?


Re:Surprising (2)

jlower (174474) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323103)

I think some bright boy at Gateway figured out that once DRM is mandatory on new computers, the pre-DRM Gateways are going to be worth more money than new ones.

That has to be a bit scary for the marketing folks.

Tech companies know what's good for them... (4, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323069)

Old media companies like the RIAA/MPAA are busy trying to control every aspect of their customers' lives in order to maximize profits. Meanwhile, it looks like the tech companies have realized that supporting customer rights (or at least appearing to do so) is more in their favor. If a company is seen as anti-consumer, people are less likely to buy from them. All things being equal, I'd be more likely to buy a Gateway computer with Gateway opposing the CBDTPA than with them supporting it (or remaining silent on it). (Of course, I build my own computers, but that's another matter entirely.)

Re:Tech companies know what's good for them... (2, Interesting)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323282)

"All things being equal, I'd be more likely to buy a Gateway computer with Gateway opposing the CBDTPA than with them supporting it (or remaining silent on it)."

One thing that I just noticed about this attitude that many of us (including me) share is that we're essentially saying that "either you're with us or you're with the anti-freedom nazi media groups"

I hope that we're not falling to the level of Dubyah. (i.e. "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists.")

Corporations (0, Redundant)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323070)

Since the CBDPTA is likely going to be bought by corporate money, it's refreshing to see other corporations fighting it.

What? (0, Offtopic)

Kwikymart (90332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323076)

encouraging computer users to legally download MP3s and burn their own CDs

I think we can all say that this will not help anything in the long run. If anything, it will give lawmakers more of an incentive to make unfair laws that violate consumer's rights.... because everyone knows consumers are just pirates. Why put legitamcy to a stereotype?

Re:What? (-1, Offtopic)

Kwikymart (90332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323104)

OMG I AM A FUCKING IDIOT. I just woke up and I read that at as "illegally". Its too fucking early. Sorry.

Re:What? (0, Offtopic)

Buck2 (50253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323209)

I like how your own correction is marked as offtopic.

On a related note.... (2, Funny)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323082)

Sony's recording division just showed a commercial that promotes breaking into Gateway Country stores and cleaning them out.

Re:On a related note.... (1)

JordanH (75307) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323180)

  • Sony's recording division just showed a commercial that promotes breaking into Gateway Country stores and cleaning them out.

This is not a very good analogy since the Gateway campaign is about protecting fair use rights.

It'd be more like Sony setting up a shop where you could buy reconditioned Gateways. Gateway might not like it, but it's a completely legal use of property.

Re:On a related note.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323223)

on a related note, if i'm not mistaken, there arent any computers in gateway country stores, just a few display models, if you want one you still order it.

Re:On a related note.... (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323262)

You're mistaken. Here's the scoop:

Gateway shifts retail strategy []

Only this weekend? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323084)

I've seen it already, twice.

Strange bedfellows (5, Insightful)

CaptainSuperBoy (17170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323085)

This is certainly a case of strange bedfellows.. you have the content industry and the US Senate in one corner. In the other corner, you have big tech corporations and.. the EFF? It's understandable that Gateway feels their profit margins are being threatened by this bill. The best way for them to fight it is to drum up public support, which means educating users about what they can do with digital music now (rip MP3s, burn CDs, download music) even if it means hinting to people that yes, you can do illegal stuff right now (but you won't be able to soon).

Basically, both sides are rallying around a cause in order to drum up support. The recording industry is chanting, "The artists! The artists!" At the same time, tech seems to be saying, "The consumer! The consumer!" But in the end, everyone's just looking out for their own threatened business model.

Re:Strange bedfellows (1)

eniacpx (463063) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323246)

...The recording industry is chanting, "The artists! The artists!"...

You mean:
"...Our Money! Our Money!..."

Just in case Slashdot gets slashdotted... (-1, Redundant)

Hello Titty (571422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323089)

karmawarrior writes "Gateway [] is launching [] an advertising campaign against Senator Holling's CBDTPA bill, which, apparently will include its cow mascot encouraging computer users to legally download MP3s and burn their own CDs." Wired [] also has a story; see Gateway's website [] for more, as Gateway takes a page from Apple's "Rip-Mix-Burn" playbook.

Finally someone realizing that consumers drive... (1, Informative)

T3chnomonk (301162) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323092)

Finally someone realizing that consumers drive the economy and that we want to be able to listen to music on our computers, rip CDs and burn them. Making your own compilation CD is legal and cool. Why the record and movie dorks keep trying to squeeze more out of us and give us less I don't know, but maybe this will start a wave of companies fighing for the freedom to give us what we want and will FREAK'EN PAY FOR.

Finally? (4, Interesting)

Arcturax (454188) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323216)

Apple computer realized this a good while back. Steve Jobs himself even came out and said that the RIAA is wasting its time and money on this as no matter what they do, hard core pirates will find a way to steal music.

Gateway is only following Apple's lead, just the way the rest of the PC industry often follows their lead. Granted this is a good thing this time :)

True tales of sexual depravity (-1, Offtopic)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323094)

Buy the book! []

Sleep is death's brother. Your eyes are closed and the mind takes you on a journey to places that seem proverbial and oft times oblique. The only difference we see is that sleep refreshes and recharges, while death the other "sleep" disfigures and decomposes. To some the difference is obvious, but to some there is no difference.

It is hoped that death is not the end. After all we spend more time dead than alive. If it is the end then think of all that wasted time. Think of the forever's that slip through your fingers and the moments that you take for granted, because death, the cold sword that hangs above us by a hair, can drop at any time and we leave everyone behind, and of course we are just another mess that needs to be cleaned up and disposed of in a fiery pyre old a cold thankless hole.

Throughout literature there have been tales of madmen who for selfish reasons have tried to cheat death. But is it so mad to be the cheater of that unfair player in the game of Life? Death never plays fair so why should man? It is the moral dilemma. People will constantly fight about the issue. Even to the, dare we say it? Death.

The irony is, that you can have no enemies and still be murdered by a total stranger. You can avoid auto accidents and still die in a plane crash. You can avoid eating meat and still get e-coli poisoning in your water, you can refuse to open questionable packages and still be in a building targeted by a terrorist. You can even live in a place that doesn't have tornadoes and the first one in one hundred years can touch down in your city, right outside your window.

It just isn't fair. Just being human makes you vulnerable. The only solace you can have is that death doesn't hurt. Suffering only happens to the living. Not to the dead.

Sometimes the suffering is too much to bear. Suffering can make people do strange things. People spend outrageous sums of money for flowers, coffins, and virtual plastic surgery on a corpse to somehow keep the memory from being distorted. Bodies that lay in caskets to be viewed by loved ones are virtual wax dummy's to be put on display to either make a memory that never was, or to remove the shocking memory of the emergency room, or the day the body of was found all bloated and decayed at the bottom of the stairs. It's a sickening emphasis on keeping up appearances rather than the value of the person lying in state. We invest in temporary insanity when those around us die. Some of us do. Others remain insane.

One such man lived in Key West Florida in the 1930's. His name was Carl Van Cosel. Van Cosel was a respected bacteriologist who worked with patients who were suffering with tuberculosis. The disease at the time was incurable. Dr. Van Cosel worked with patients everyday that were beyond help. One of the patients was a beautiful Cuban girl named Elena Milagro de Hoyos.

Dr. Van Cosel fell in love with the young woman and tried everything in his power to save her, but three months later she died at the age of 22. Before her death Van Cosel tried everything to persuade the young woman to marry him.

He was so obsessed with her beauty that he ordered that a death mask be made of her face so that after she was buried he could look upon the face of his true love.

While at the cemetery he had heard that if the body of his true love was buried in the ground, it would be subject to deterioration from water seepage. Dr. Van Cosel was not about to allow such a travesty take place and so he paid to have a mausoleum built at her gravesite. Inside he placed Elena in a metal airtight coffin. The coffin had an incubator tank filled with formaldehyde in order to preserve the body. He also had a telephone placed in the mausoleum so that he could call Elena and talk to her. The sophisticated gravesite slowed her decomposition. The 56 year old Van Cosel became obsessed with taking care of the body of Elena and eventually quit is radiology job at the Hospital in order to make personal visits to the little stone crypt that he erected for his lost love.

He would pay nightly visits to his bride and soon the talk was going around about the mad Count Van Cosel and how he would visit his bride when the sun would set.

He kept a diary of his experiences and wrote of his happiness. He spoke of Elena as being alive and filling his life with joy. He also spoke of the time when Elena would live with him again.

The idea of Elena joining him again was not the poetic spiritual metaphor that is spoken of when loved ones hope they will see their departed on the other side. Van Cosel wanted to take his Elena home.

People were noticing that Van Cosel's visits to the cemetery had ceased. No one had seen Van Cosel for many years.

Carl used the cover of the night to transport Elena's corpse to his home. His neighbors would tell stories of how Van Cosel would play a church organ late into the night at his home on Flagler Avenue. He would walk down the street during the day carrying huge boxes of rags and perfume. Neighbors began talking again, and rumors were spreading that Van Cosel was losing his mind.

After seven years of being a virtual hermit Van Cosel was confronted by the sister of Elena. She demanded that Carl take her to the mausoleum so that she could put the rumors to rest about her sister. No longer could Dr. Van Cosel keep his secret. He took Elena's sister into his room. Lying in his bed dressed in a wedding gown was something that looked like a life-sized doll. It glistened like wax and had cold glass eyes which stared up to the ceiling.

Dr. Van Cosel told Elena's sister that it was Elena. Elena's sister was not convinced. She was so horrified to see that something that looked like a wax dummy could be her sister. The police were called and a full autopsy was performed on the corpse turned mannequin.

The pathologists performed the Autopsy at the Lopez funeral home and what they found was gruesome. It was the rotting badly decayed corpse of Elena. Pieces of skin barely clinging to exposed bone. Her Bones were held together with Piano wire. Van Cosel had replaced her eyes with Glass ones and the wig on her head was made from the hair that had fallen out of her skull as she decayed.

Van Cosel had attempted to rebuild Elena using a combination of beeswax, silk, and make up. He stuffed the remainder of the body with rags. He used perfumes to remove the odors from the body as the skin fell from Elena's bones.

The most horrific thing of all was yet to come. Pathologists found a tube inserted in the body in the area where Elena's vaginal cavity once existed. It was there so that Dr. Van Cosel could consummate the union between him and his lovely bride. If he could not have her in life, he decided he would have her in death. Nothing would stop him. It was believed that Van Cosel had sexual intercourse with Elena's corpse for seven years.

Before you pass judgment on Dr. Van Cosel it is important to point out that after a thorough examination of him psychiatrists declared him sane. He was later arrested for wanton and willful destruction of a tomb.

Was it destruction, or did he care for the body of Elena to a fault? Later city officials put Elena's body on public display. Thousands of people would go to the Lopez funeral home and see the body that was used in the now infamous example of necrophilia.

Van Cosel was never prosecuted. All charges were dropped because the statute of limitations had passed. Elena was buried in a secret location so that Van Coselwould never find her again.

In 1951 it was reported that Dr. Carl Van Cosel had died. He was 83. He was found in an abandoned house lying next to a life-sized doll. It was wearing the death mask of Elena.

It may sound odd, but it seems that only 17 per cent of people who commit acts of Necrophilia are psychotic. Most of the time the act is committed as one final gesture of love to the departed. It happens more times than we would care to realize, and not in funeral parlors by perverted morticians. Most necrophiles feel that it is their last ditch effort to rejoin their dead loved one. It rarely goes reported. There are many people who do not feel at all ill at ease at the thought of kissing a corpse at a funeral. It happens all the time before the lid seals shut and the body is interred.

If you still find that hard to believe consider this. Many people do not realize that as children we have heard fairy tales about the acts of Necrophilia. It was Sleeping Beauty and Snow White that were killed by the acts of someone else. It took the act of a loving kiss to bring back the dead.

Carl Van Cosel took his love of Elena further. In seven years time he committed a horrific act, however there are many people who feel that what happened back in the 30's and 40's was truly an act of love. Sometimes people do strange things after someone near them dies. But I think the dead would really hope that we would continue living without them. As Thornton Wilder wrote in Our town "The living just don't understand." Wilder believed that life was meaningful only when lived with full awareness of the value of the present moment. As we are about to take a dark journey into the cloudy future we are forced, not only to look ahead to the possibility of our own deaths, but how we will react when those around us die and not make the journey with us into the new millennium. Maybe there is wisdom in having a positive outlook about life. After all, you never think about where you were before you were born, so I guess it is silly to worry about where you will be when you die.

Re:True tales of sexual depravity (-1, Offtopic)

warkda rrior (23694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323129)


awesome (1)

raelitycheckbounced (558540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323097)

Its good to see that some companies out there realise that there are a lot of bands online who publish songs as freeware.

In their efforts to protect their bottom lines, companies like disney ignore the fact that not all mp3's in the universe contain copyrighted material.

In summary: BOOYAHCASHA!!!!!!!!

Re:awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323222)

Idiot, shut up.

Computer manufacturers come to their senses. (1)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323098)

Computer piracy and illegal mp3s may hurt the artists, but it's a boon to hardware manufacturers. It makes perfect sense for Gateway to take this stance.

Please, no flames about how CD burners and mp3s have legal uses. All I'm saying is that Gateway didn't have some devine revelation that the SCCCAAAAAA or whatever the hell it's called now was a bad bill. They simply realized that free software and no DRM equals lower cost for them and more people that can afford their overpriced computers.

Newsforge has an interesting point of view... (4, Interesting)

graveyhead (210996) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323106)

Open Source advocates may find opposing Hollings bill makes for strange bedfellows. [] It actually suggests that Microsoft might be our ally (gasp!) because of their recently found devotion to streaming media and peer to peer networking.

Analogy (5, Insightful)

fiendo (217830) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323107)

Following the RIAA's logic, I guess car companies that advertise their wares are really encouraging the breaking of speed limits, reckless driving, and driving too fast for conditions when they show advertisements with the disclaimer "professional driver on closed course".

Do insurance companies then complain that auto manufacturers are behaving irresponsibly? No.

Should the RIAA be complaining about Gateway's ads? No.

Moderation - a warning from history (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323117)

Visitors to the website [] will by now have surely heard of the act of Moderation. This is where a contributor's post can be 'Moderated' either positively or negatively, depending on how the Moderator perceives the value of the post. There is a sliding scale of total moderation points, from -1 to 5, along with snappy summaries of the reason for moderation, such as "Funny", "Insightful", or the ever popular "Troll". An additional benefit offered to Moderators is the ability to ban a poster from contributing, by negatively moderating enough of his postings in a 24 hour period.

In order to retain some level of fairness for the Slashdot population, the Slashdot Editors (adopting the role of 'Benevolent Dictators') have implemented a scheme whereby regular users of Slashdot, chosen essentially at random, are given the ability to act as Moderators.

This underlines an inherent flaw in the system. Psychological studies have shown that in any community, no matter how small, should a random sampling of people be given the slightest grasp of power, they will immediately abuse it. There is a primal, evolutionary desire in Man to place himself higher than his peers by whatever measurement they can muster. Slashdot Moderation provides the ideal means for which a man can prove himself more equal than others.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law at such an early point in my thesis, I have no choice but to compare Slashdot Moderation to the systematic genocide of the Jewish community in 1930's Germany.

A bold statement, I admit, and deliberately designed to shock, but I feel the statement is necessary. I shall now offer a more rational explanation, as well as a comparison of the parallels between Slashdot Culture, and the National Socialist regime.

First, some history. National Socialism did not spring up overnight. It grew from a feeling of national bitterness and resentment at the war reparations Germany was forced to make after World War One. Germany was a broken country, populated by desperate starving people. And to the desperate, an extreme ideology begins to seem like a rational choice.

The advent of new technology forces a paradigm shift in the way the beholders of that technology think. The Christianity Meme was made wide spread by the invention of the Gutenberg press. And the rise of National Socialism was made popular because of the invention of Cinema. Here we had a new means to control the flow of information to the populace, that they are willing to unquestioningly listen to due to the 'novelty factor' of moving pictures. It is no coincidence that some of the best Cinematography of the early 20th Century came out of the National Socialist propaganda machine.

Why is this the case? It is yet another fault of man that a new means of distributing memes is perceived, due to the 'newness' of the medium, to have a greater 'validity' than older media. Those harnessing new inventions have the power to win control of the hearts and minds of others.

With the tools in place, who should the National Socialists target? Clearly, as a counterpoint to Man's desire to hold power over others, there is also a desire to resent the success of others. If someone is successful, they reduce the self-worth of their beholders. Although times were harsh in Germany in the prelude to World War II, there were still successful inhabitants of that country. Possessing shrewd business acumen as well as the contacts in other countries needed to maintain support in such a poverty stricken and broken land, who else should deserve the wrath of the populace more than the Jews?

Fast-forward to the latter quarter of the 20th Century. Computing technology is focused in niche markets, and limited to big successful companies like IBM and Microsoft. As the markets were limited, there were also limited opportunities for employment. This gave rise to a rising number of college dropouts, seething with resentment and unable to relate to society beyond the staccato clatter of keyboards and the pallid green glow of an 80x24 text display, and lacking the basic business skills (and a smart suit) needed to secure employment at one of these companies.

At this time, a new invention was beginning to take hold in College campuses throughout the world. The Internet. As with the Gutenberg press and Cinema beforehand, this new technology would grow to spread one of the most virulent memes of the modern age - Open Source Software, created as the antithesis of successful business practise.

So, the parallels between the birth of Anti-Semetic National Socialism and the birth of Open Source Software have been made. Of course, it is easy to claim that A=B without providing further logical evidence in support. So, the next task of my thesis is to provide further parallels, and bring this discourse back to the initial focus on Slashdot Moderation.

Slashdot was conceived, in it's original 'Chips 'n' Dips' incarnation, as a vehemently anti-corporate Open Source website. Roughly 10-15 years down the line from the birth of Open Source, it has become saturated with propaganda, and now forms the centrepiece of the Open Source Development Network. An authority in it's field, Slashdot's success is in no small part due to the ability of the editors to 'pick and choose' valid news articles submitted by users, and present the same old tired "Open Source Good / Closed Source Bad" rhetoric time and time again, dabbling with anti-copyright and the right of the 'common man' to remove an artist's ability to gain compensation for the work. In essence, this is similar to the 'paring down' of artistic worth in 1930's Germany. If no-one is willing to contribute valid and vibrant art to the community, then all art shall become harsh and functional, possessing a certain intimidating aesthetic.

Which leads onto Open Source's shining achievement - Linux. This diatribe is not aimed towards Linux in particular, as it is a well-oiled, well-tuned machine. A technically adept Operating System, it is worthy of admiration by any rational man. The point of this thesis is not to attack the art produced by Open Source coders, which in itself is worthy, but to enlighten all as to the political processes behind the OSS movement.

By the same scale, it is hard to fault Mercedes for the technical excellence of the vehicles which were used by the National Socialist party. But the politics behind the party are what taint the image of Mercedes' vehicles of the era. The Swastika itself is a benign symbol, found this day in such diverse locations as Pokemon cards, but is permanently tainted with the history of the acts made under its auspice. In the same way, companies switching to Open Source solutions will begin to regard the Penguin with the same trepidation as their profits fall.

It should be worth noting at this point that IBM, previously one of the world's greatest companies, has begun reporting servere financial losses, no doubt due to its adoption of Open Source practises. This epoch-making event was NOT reported on Slashdot, even though articles were submitted.

And what of the other great company mentioned above? Microsoft, aka Micro$oft, Mickeysoft, Microshaft, Kro$oft, and many other derogatory and undeserved names. Throughout the previous 25 years, Microsoft has grown from strength to strength, again possessing shrewd business acumen as well as providing products that people want. This makes them the number one target for the OSS movement. Incapable of standing by their own merits, the OSS zealot would rather attack Microsoft as a priority than produce anything of worth for their community.

Slashdot Moderators, crazed with their limited new-found power, exhibit this behavior. It is a sad state of affairs that the majority of article moderations are negative. Where is the positive feedback and sense of social contribution? Nowhere to be found. Moderators are too focused on putting their peers down to make themselves appear superior, rather than doing the hard work and becoming better on their own terms.

As the National Socialists required a scapegoat, Slashdot Moderators require a constant stream of Postings to label '-1, Inferior'. Once a posting is reduced to the score of -1, it becomes invisible to the casual user. Again, this is a parallel to the Ghettoization of Germany upon the election of Hitler.

In essence this would not be so bad, were postings to be evaluated on their own terms. However, alongside the moderation of their postings, each user has a 'Karma' value, namely the sum of their worth to the Slashdot community. As a user's posts are moderated up or down, so their Karma fluctuates. As Karma becomes negative, a user's default posting score is reduced, until they are posting at a default of -1. Again, ghettoizing PEOPLE, not just their opinions.

This ghettoization is reinforced with the often fake belief that a negatively moderated post, and therefore the poster, is a "Troll". (Is it any wonder that such a name has been chosen to describe these people, invoking mental imagery of facial disfigurement and hooked noses?) As the Jews were accused of fraud, dishonesty and being subhuman animals, so too are Trolls accused of FUD, Crapflooding, and obfuscated links. Quite often, these 'undesirables' are capable of providing a valid insightful comment on a topic, but because it is in opposition to the Political dogma of Slashdot they are moderated back into their ghetto. The person becomes moderated, not their opinion.

This is just the thin end of the wedge. Although, as memes are transient, it is difficult to silence an opinion, it is trivial to silence a person. Upon the rise of National Socialism in Germany, the populace were motivated by propaganda into entering the Jewish Ghettos en masse with the sole purpose of causing as much damage as possible to Jewish businesses and residences. This parallels far too accurately with the Slashdot Editor's non-discouragement of the act of IP-banning. As mentioned above, this occurs when an individual user's postings are repeatedly moderated down in a short period. They then become incapable of posting any contributions themselves. In essence, they have been silenced, regardless of the worth of their postings.

Of course, the editors claim that Meta-Moderation is the panacea to solve this clear abuse of moderating privledge. But if a Meta Moderator is presented with a list of moderations that they disagree with, such as this targetted 'silencing' mentioned above, they cannot note them as such without in turn becoming an 'Undesirable' themselves, as too many Disagreements with the Moderation groupthink also result in loss of Karma.

Throughout all of this, the Editors have claimed a false level of detachment from the acts of moderation. In a same way, as the National Socialists gathered their power and began working on their Elite Political wing, The SS, they too remained detached from the civilians working in their name. Why? Because after inspiring the populace to such acts of violence through their propaganda, they could then claim that they were only giving the people what they want.

And then began the next stage of the atrocities. The Gestapo, Germany's secret police, were recruited from the best and the brightest of Germany's elite. As is the case now, the best and the brightest of society were often shunned and ostracized in society. In essence, the Gestapo were a tightly controlled 'Geek Army' of intelligent young men with a burning, seething resentment of normal society. The perfect psychological profile for the cause.

After all, give a normal man (with an active sex life) a gun and he will use it responsibly in self defence. Give a geek a gun and he will behave according to his sociopathic logic and hatred of the world he arrogantly presumes to be distant from. Ask yourself why Slashdot flat-out justified the murder of innocents at Columbine. And then ask yourself why, even for a brief moment, you almost began to sympathize with the killers after Jon Katz' manipulative and pseudo-emotive Hellmouth articles.

How this relates to Slashdot is clear. The majority of Slashdot posters are Sociopathic OSS zealots, unable through lack of social finesse or personal hygiene to mate regularly. Sexually and emotionally frustrated and with grudges to bear, incapable in their blinkered sense of self-righteousness of accepting any dissenting opinion than the OSS cause. Now give these people the opportunity to Moderate these dissenting opinions. Of course they are going to want to silence them, by any means necessary.

Now, the Slashdot Editors have admitted taking this silence of opinion into the next stage, by moderating whole swathes of 'undesirable' posts negatively. And then permanently banning anyone who moderates said posts back up from moderating EVER again! The result of this new policy? The few Moderators with any sense of fairness and decency are removed from the moderation pool, leaving the power ENTIRELY in the hands of the zealots. Clearly, positive moderation is discouraged under this regime, which is a direct parallel with the way the National Socialists moved their own sympathisers into positions of power throughout Europe.

So how does this compare to the genocide performed in Auschwitz and their ilk? I would like at this point to explain that in NO way do I wish to belittle the horrors that were performed in the name of National Socialism. The six million innocents killed were a cry of anguish from which humanity may never recover. And a vast distance in time and scope from a few banned posters on some shitty "My Favourite Links - now with comments" website. But these stories need to be retold before the horror is lost forever.

For the only thing that we learn from history is that we never learn anything from history. Time and time again, the St. Vitus dance is played out, we make the same mistakes, and we perpetually fail to see the warning signs.

So, moderators, the next time you moderate a rational, insightful post down, maybe because you disagree with it or because it's posted by a 'Known Troll', just ask yourself this...

"Am I really contributing to the Slashdot Community, or selfishly destroying it?"

errr.... (1)

SnAzBaZ (572456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323111)

but if they're promoting the downloading of LEGAL mp3's, how does this go against the copyright bill that prevents ILLEGAL pirated music..?

Head of Nail, meet Hammer... (3, Interesting)

somethingwicked (260651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323189)

It shouldn't.

HOWEVER, indirectly, things will trickle out of legislation such as this that will affect legal users-

Maybe ISPs will start filtering for all MP3s due to fear of legal action or the such...

Re:Head of Nail, meet Hammer... (2)

warpSpeed (67927) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323261)

It is hard to filter out encrypted connections. The only thing that this bill will serve to do is force the use of FreeNet (and others) and HTTPS. At that point the ability of the Govt and ISPs to "monitor" their clients is moot.

How long until all P2P connections are encrypted? This is spy vs. spy, and a tremendous waste of effort by the RIAA/MPAA.


Re:errr.... (2, Insightful)

demon (1039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323192)

Because the CBDTPA (is that right?) intends to stop ANY copying, even copying which under fair use precedent would be allowable. That means NO RIPPING, for _any_ reason - even if you just want to load up you computer or MP3 jukebox for some long-play action.

Re:errr.... (1)

SnAzBaZ (572456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323229)

What about non-commerical artists that distribute their music over the net for free? Or artists that distribute specific free tracks for publicity?

Talking cow commercial (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323112)

Last night my brother was watching FX when this commercial came on. I watched it, and was amazed to see it, but this only hit me as important, while my brother didn't care.

The point that I'm making is that now, even with commercials made to reach everybody, the mainstream still doesn't really know what the CBDTPA even is.

[OT] Can the USA enforce it's laws on Europe? (1)

haedesch (247543) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323114)

I once had a discussion about this with a friend... He claimed it was possible for the US to enforce it's laws on it's allies in certain situations? Does anybody knows more about this?

Re:[OT] Can the USA enforce it's laws on Europe? (1)

demon (1039) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323161)

Well, I don't claim to know (IANAL - duh), but the US certainly has tried hard, particularly in the case of stuff like the DMCA, to enforce its laws even outside its boundaries. As a citizen of the US, I don't think it's a good idea, if for no other reason that if we can enforce our laws outside our boundaries, others could do the same - and then trouble ensues. Who knows whose laws I'd be subject to tomorrow?

Go Gateway! (2, Interesting)

zaren (204877) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323118)

As a die-hard Apple user, I've always said that if I *had* to get a Win box, it'd be a Gateway, even if they do have a spokescow now.
They seemed to use decent components, and their products felt like they had a personality, like they weren't just another mass-produced consumer computer. The cow spots added a touch of irreverance that made them feel like less of a corporate tool.

This just increases their chances of getting my business when that dreaded someday comes :)

Rip. Milk. Burn?

Aww, FSCK! []

Re:Go Gateway! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323273)

No product has a personality. You've just been brainwashed by Gateway's marketing department.

*waves hand in front of zaren* this is the computer you've been looking for

zaren: this is the computer I've been looking for

*waves hand in front of zaren* you can download some music now. Mo(oooooooooooooo)ve along.

We need more companies echoing this line (3, Informative)

cygnusx (193092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323119)

From the article:
The spot, a continuation of the company's campaign, features CEO Ted Waitt and a bovine companion driving into the sunset singing a cover version of Gordon Lightfoot's "Sundown" by hip-hop artist Elwood.

As Waitt and the cow trade verses, messages appear on the screen that read, "Like this song? Download it for free on load it on an MP3 player. Gateway supports your right to enjoy digital music legally."

Emphasis mine. Way to go, Gateway! Just what we need -- a few more high profile companies to echo this particular line. First Apple, then Gateway. Maybe if the moneybags at IBM and Intel stepped into the game, this war could be considered won. But (sigh!) they're too busy planning copy-protected processors and hard disks to actually think of the consumer :-(.

Re:We need more companies echoing this line (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323227)

We need to rally behind Gateway for this initiative. We can convince other PC makers and broadband providers to purchase the right to legally distribute songs from the artists, skipping the RIAA, under a maketing guise. More digital content will sell more PC's and encourage broadband adoption. One of the reasons for the tech slump is the lack of content because of the RIAA/MPAA crackdown. Let's get the tech companies to pump up the demand.

Twice last night. (1)

auswipe (469391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323123)

I saw this commercial twice last night. Once on TNN (I believe) and once on UPN.

Everything you need to know about Gateway... (0, Offtopic)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323130)

...can be summed up in this story:

A couple years ago, I was in the market to buy a new monitor. I had saved up $500 or so to buy a new 21" multisync monitor, and knew the ones that Gateway sold were of good quality (this was 1997, 1998 or so)... So, I gathered up my money and went down to the new "Gateway Country" store that had opened up here in town to go buy a monitor.

With $500 in hand, I was turned away within 30 seconds of entering their store. Their reason:

"Sorry, we don't sell the monitors separately. You'de have to buy a whole system to get the monitor."

So? (1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323194)

They're a computer maker, they make and sell computers. That's like going to your local Ford dealer to buy an engine.

switch (1)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323135)

*Throws away his Metallica CDs* Time for some good ol' country music! Sing on my bovine friend!

Re:switch (1)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323201)

I wouldn't switch just yet. Remember, country artist Charley [] Pride [] was the first artist to switch to those crappy "Copy-protected" CD's which degrade playback quality.

Stop giving Crapple undue credit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323140)

Why the hell do you need to mention Apple in this? PC users were rip/mix/burning before Apple could even pull its head out of Job's iAss and realize there was such a thing as MP3. I recall my CD burning software in 97 touting rip/mix/burn when Apple was still pushing ZIP and LS120 hahaha.

Please please please... (2, Funny)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323142)

Tell me the cow's name is Hillary!

Something about the article... (1)

Jonny_Haircut (558908) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323149)

There's something about the yahoo article that rubs me the wrong way.

The country's fourth-largest computer maker is taking to the airwaves in a bid to rally consumers against a copyright-protection bill that would prevent computers from playing pirated movies and music.

The ad campaign underscores the furor over a bill introduced last month by South Carolina Democratic Sen. Ernest Hollings that would prevent new computers, CD players and other consumer-electronics devices from playing unauthorized movies, music and other digital media files.

They seem to be (intentiaonally?) missing the point. This bill is being opposed because its solution to copyright infringment is to destroy fair use capability. Sorry if we don't like being assumed to be criminals simply for owning a computer.

In other news, a new anti-rape bill proposed by Senator Hollings will see the castrating of all males over the age of 10.

Hmmm. Something about karma whoring at work makes me feel dirty...

Okay, it's a pretty funny ad, but... (3, Insightful)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323150)

Apart from saying they support your right to mix-rip'n'burn, this doesn't really take issue against the CPDB... CPTDB... Bad Law Thingy(TM). (Maybe because it's so hard to remember the acronym, especially since they keep changing it)

This ad doesn't go far enough, or bring home the true horribleness of the law. We need shock tactics, like those highway-safety ads. I want to see the cow standing in the middle of the highway with a big placard, screaming "The CBDTPA SUUUUUCKS!" and then getting run down by a Disney truck, preferably driven by a Senator Hollings impostor.

Well... (3, Informative)

MrP- (45616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323177)

If you watch the commercial, then go to to download the song at ml, if you click the "Protect your rights" link, it talks about the CBDTPA, sort of. It doesn't actually name it but it talks about how the senate wants to take our rights away and links to for more information. So it helps a little, to bad they don't link to digitalconsumer or on the commercial.

How is this any different from... (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323153)

When Sony has a Minidisc commercial, showing the guy sitting in his apartment, making a 'mix', and then hitting the street jammin' to his tunes?

Re:How is this any different from... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323239)

Isn't that guy making a "mix" from CDs he owns? Not the same as downloaded music, my friend.

The Hippie and His Singing Cow (1)

TagrenHawk (19856) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323165)

Just saw the new commercial last night. They were singing some hip-hop song that I didn't recognize (it was not the Devo - Whip It).

All I have to say is that it would be funnier if the cow could carry a freakin' tune! Man!

Is It Just Me Or... (2)

EXTomar (78739) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323166)

...when you post something about "launching" and "cows" I picture a certain movie [] and catipulting bovines?

Editorials (3, Informative)

Misch (158807) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323170)

For those of you keeping score at home, here's another one for the opposition of CBDTPA (or whatever they're calling it today)

This one from eWeek []


I saw this last night (4, Funny)

SkyLeach (188871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323171)

On NBC while watching the Great Race. It was funny as hell.

My wife rolled her eyes and it gave me the perfect chance to let her know *why* they were running that commercial.

Now that Gateway has clearly chosen sides, I think we can start selling tickets to the battle royall:

"In this corner weighing in at a puny few billion in stated revenues is MPAA, AOL/Time Warner/CNN, RIAA and the BSA. In the Far corner, weighing in at an incalcuable sum is Gateway, IBM, Sun, Dell, Apple and all the people. This ain't really gonna be a long fight folks so don't blink."

In other news..... (1)

OzPhIsH (560038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323174)

...RIAA President Hillary Rosen has announced an initive to collect royalties on all dairy products sold in the US.

"Its about time something was done to combat the evil practice of 'cow milking' that millions of people and cows partake every day. We grossly overpaid one of our interns to sit in front of a cow all day and milk as much as they could. They were able to produce an astounding 10,000 squeezes. This clearly represents the actual habits of every cow user and results in Billions of dollars lost to our cherished artists. Soon we hope to lobby for legislation that requires all cows to have a milking-rights management genetically imprinted. Only then will be able to truely protect our artists and stop this most evil virus among us." Senator Ernest "Fritz" Hollings plans to introduce such a bill later this week.

emusic? (2, Insightful)

bilbobuggins (535860) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323175)

anyone catch the link in one of the info windows to emusic [] ?
apparently this is one of gateways 'partners' and a 'good place to download music legally' or something like that.
anyone know anything about them?

To celebrate Gateway's decision (1)

Kasmiur (464127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323176)

i say we all goto Mcdonalds or burger king and order a hamburger:-)

I am glad someone major is bringing more attention to that bill and the attempt to get it passed. the more the general public knows the better.

Jesus H. Christo! Two things.... (1)

Timmeh (555676) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323178)

From the Yahoo/Reuters news story:
The country's fourth-largest computer maker is taking to the airwaves in a bid to rally consumers against a copyright-protection bill that would prevent computers from playing pirated movies and music.
If the people at Reuters really think that is all this bill will do they are sorely misinformed. []

From the Wired Article:

"If only they would devote a little bit of the millions of dollars they're spending on this ad campaign to help stop illegal downloading ... but that wouldn't help them sell more CD burners, would it," said Hilary Rosen, CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America.
If only you would actually go after these supposed 'pirates' in the first place instead of trying to buy yourself laws. How many piracy rings have they busted up? How many IPs have they logged from music sharing programs? None? Or at least they choose not to even try to enforce them. I'll give them their damn law (over my dad body) when they actually try to enforce the ones already on the books dammit. And why the hell is the tech sector responsible for stopping this? Is my local baby bell responsible for stopping illegal activities from being planned over phone lines? Why don't we sue car companies for allowing drunk drivers on the road. I would really like to know where they get the balls to get off thinking piracy is someone elses problem. I really and truly do.

The Crux (1)

BoBaBrain (215786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323179)

"It's up to all of us to make buying music about as easy as stealing it," Williams said.

When will music companies learn that they can make money out of the MP3s? When we start giving them money for MP3s.
We can rant on all we like against their policies and get nowhere, but slip them a few bucks for music and they'll take notice.

Mahatma Ghandi knows all about this: (5, Funny)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323183)

From Hollings's Point of View:

"First, they attack you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they moo at you.
Then they win."

Gateway's going outta bidness anyways (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323191)

So who gives a flyin fuck!

RIAA Quote (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323197)

If only they would devote a little bit of the millions of dollars they're spending on this ad campaign to help stop illegal downloading ... but that wouldn't help them sell more CD burners, would it.

Hilary Rosen, CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America.
Gee, if only the RIAA would devote a little bit of the millions of dollars they're spending on campaigning for legislation, maybe they could actually develop a plan for giving consumers what they want!

This is so awesome I cannot even believe it! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3323206)

Fight the power!!!!

Respect (1)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323207)

Gateway isn't a perfect company by any measure, but atleast in this particular case, supporting consumers and making money are in alignment. The RIAA has ceased to respect the consumer. Make that all major record labels no longer respect the consumer. Their folly will result in the death or at minimum a shock to their industry. Some punk kids will rise and de-thrown the current crop of lamer pop BS idiots.

Why Gateway? (3, Insightful)

Boone^ (151057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323208)

Gateway is a struggling PC manufacturer. Why can't a few tech companies with deeper pockets spend money for this quest? I admire what they're doing, hopefully people buy a Cow next time they're buying a pre-built box so their $$ isn't spent without a return.

Re:Why Gateway? (2)

eaddict (148006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323238)

I bought a Gateway awhile back and have been very happy with it. I am upset that GW has dropped AMD as a processor [] . I am happy that GW is doing something against this stupid legislation. I still don't know if I would buy another GW PC though.... and I am in the market for 2 [] for my kiddos.

Computer-Manufacturers Will Finish MP3 Revolution (1)

ltsmash (569641) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323211)

Now that Dell, Gateway, and others have started issuing cd-burners as standard equipment, you will start to see the 55 year old casual user burning CDs. For a long time, email was only used by tech-savvy people, until computer-manufacturers like Compaq started making computers "internet ready". What's going to happen when the manufacturers start making computers "cd-burning ready"?

More FUD from the RIAA (5, Informative)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323217)

"If only they would devote a little bit of the millions of dollars they're spending on this ad campaign to help stop illegal downloading ... but that wouldn't help them sell more CD burners, would it," said Hilary Rosen

<sarcasm>Yes, because all CD burners are sold to make discs full of illegally downloaded music!</sarcasm>

Maybe if the RIAA would price their CDs more reasonably, actually give money to their artists, and stop the overwhelming and unnecessary homogenization of the music which they promote to (read: push on) the public, people wouldn't be so inclined to download music.

Pot calling Kettle something or another (1)

ziriyab (549710) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323242)

from the Wired article (the better of the two, should've been linked first):
"If only they would devote a little bit of the millions of dollars they're spending on this ad campaign to help stop illegal downloading ... but that wouldn't help them sell more CD burners, would it," said Hilary Rosen, CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America.

If only the RIAA would devote a little bit of the millions of dollars they're spending of buying politicians to help promote legal downloading of music or reducing CD prices..."

But seriously, I like seeing greedy capitalists go after each other's throats. Of course it's often like Mothra and Godzilla fighting: the rest of the city gets destroyed in the process, but we don't really count. There's more of us consumers born every minute.

What ticks me off... (5, Insightful)

s390 (33540) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323260)

is the broad adoption of Jack Valenti's misnomer "piracy" to denote "unauthorized copying." It's an improper usage of an emotionally loaded word and it unfairly biases the audience, albeit in a subtle way, every time it's used, even by journalists and others in support of Fair Use. It's like the popular but WRONG equation of "hacker" with "cracker" - which is also gleefully promoted by all those authoritarian a**holes who would like nothing better than to enslave us all to the RIAA and MPAA.

Real "piracy" is rape, pillage, and murder on the high seas or some remote godforsaken mountain pass or desert wadi. It still happens in the seas around Indonesia and Malaysia, and in the Caribbean, and it still happens on land in places like Africa and continental Asia. To equate sampling a piece of music by MP3 prior to deciding to purchase it with "piracy" is all so over-the-top hysterical that it would be merely comical if it hadn't gotten widespread currency.

Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen should have their mouths washed out with soap for hammering on this to the point that even their opponents adopted their skewed language.

Faggoty fucking flea market gimicks (-1)

Profane Motherfucker (564659) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323265)

Great....a fucking cow. That's real fucking impressive. Whodda thunk that some worthless computer company, known for making rather shitty boxes, would be a champion of certian freedoms.

Fucking fools are making this a fucking joke.

I want to see those motherless fucks at Dell get that stupid fucking dolt out there and have some bullshit marketing campaign "Dude, getting you're getting a law!." This base fucking whorebile is about as intelligent as that.

Choose your side wisely.. (2)

nolife (233813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3323275)

Interesting to see a large corporation take a side and be actively involved in such a debate. I'm sure other companies feel the same but are remaining passive to test the waters first. Businesses tend to choose sides based on what other businesses want first, the consumer usually gets what is left over.
I wonder if Compaq would be so outspoken and in support of consumers rights if one of thier suppliers had a different opinion, like Intel or Microsoft. I would like to believe that a company has a true care to please the the consumer but in the real world, business decisions always come first.
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