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Goodbye Global Warming!...Hello Terraforming?

Hemos posted about 12 years ago | from the not-bloody-likely-anytime-soon dept.

Science 466

silance writes "Here is an article from Science Daily detailing a new method for extracting carbon dioxide from the atmosphere on a large scale and at normal concentrations. Previous systems require placement near high concentration centers such as power plants, and do not address low-concentration sources (such as internal combustion engines) which are responsible for half of the world's carbon dioxide pollution. The article descibes the technology as scalable to the point of repairing Earth's atmosphere to pre-Industrial-Age levels! Next stop, Mars..." I seem to remember something like this in SimEarth ? - but I'm not going to hold my breath (Ha! I pun!) waiting for this.

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Good bye thin pages! Hello wide pages! (-1)

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Re:hey IE whores (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3343022)

he has done what?

you dumb IE whores

Be a better psychiatrist and the world will beat a (-1, Offtopic)

Pi3.142 (538027) | about 12 years ago | (#3342847)

Be a better psychiatrist and the world will beat a psychopath to your door.

HOWTO: Remove Your Erect Penis From a Bottle (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342855)

We all do it. Wanking, that is. The problem is when you find what looks like a nice tight thing to fuck (like the neck of a large bottle, or toilet roll, or piece of PVC pipe), but when the dick goes in and you start feeding the chooks - it gets fully erect and .. Uh. oh. ITS STUCK FAST. You cant get it out, you start to panic - suddenly, there's a knock on the toilet door - Its your Mother, "Are you in there, Tommy?"

Hi. I'm The_Fire_Horse [slashdot.org] , and you might remember me from such postings as 'How to get the most from Windows 2.0' and 'Why does uncle ernie pat my bottom and smile a lot'

Ok - this is a serious situation, but you have to keep calm. Remember, you are not a weird pervert , and the trick is to concentrate on something really unsexy so that the erection goes down. This is NOT a situation that you can just 'wank your way out of', and trying to squeeze butter in there is not going to help either (you really should've thought of that first, young man!)

Think of your old maths teacher, your english homework, the smell of your shoes, the shit stains on your grandpas underpants - anything until it goes down.

Whew! You did it. Well, I think we've all learn't a valuable lesson from this, and remember - DONT PUT YOUR DICK WHERE IT DOESNT BELONG, but If you do - grease it up FIRST.

What about trees? (5, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | about 12 years ago | (#3342862)

When did trees go out of fashion?

Why invest so much money trying to replicate what just about all plants do naturally? I mean, geez, perhaps we will surpass plants' abilities to process Carbon Dioxide, but do you think it will run on water, Carbon Dioxide & dirt?

Re:What about trees? (3, Insightful)

HiQ (159108) | about 12 years ago | (#3342895)

to harvest carbon dioxide from the air, reducing buildup of the so-called "greenhouse gas" in the atmosphere and allowing it to be converted into fuel.
Well, the last part says it all. They can convert it back into fuel. On the other hand, a tree is also fuel, but you try shove a tree up your tank the next time you go for gas!.
Mind you, hope they don't suffocate the trees by extracting too much carbon dioxide.

Re:What about trees? (1)

ecl (563279) | about 12 years ago | (#3342896)

We do this for the same reason we developed automobiles ... why build cars if our feet can also take us from A to B (obviously taking longer, but so will the trees!).

Re:What about trees? (1)

BritInParis (569522) | about 12 years ago | (#3342897)

not really an argument, the tree just stores, and when it dies....

Re:What about trees? (2, Funny)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | about 12 years ago | (#3342966)

not really an argument, the tree just stores, and when it dies....

...we make it into furniture.

Re:What about trees? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3343029)

nah, most likely it decomposes in a forest somewhere, releasing all those greenhouse gasses in to the air :)

Re: What about photosynthesis? (1, Informative)

NorthDude (560769) | about 12 years ago | (#3343032)

Funny you talk about it. i am particulary interested in 'alternative energy'. (Not pseudo-Magnet Motors...). And yesterday I was thinking about Photosynthesis which occurs in plants and some bacteria. My idea has always been that natures way of doing things is way better then our way and that we should learn from it. Well, I am not a chemist, but nature is amazing. IIRC Photosynthesis in plants occur when a photon excites a chlorophylls molecule, which then release an electron and trigger a chain reaction to metabolize h2o and co2 to glucose, which in turn is highly energetic. This glucose can then be used as fuel when 'mixed' with oxygen. So I searched a bit on the web and find this: http://www.nature.com/nsu/991007/991007-3.html
this guy, Darius Kuciauskas, and is team are on an interesting path. They are working on new way of using solar energy by imitating photosynthesis. While I found it clever, I think it might also be a good thing if people were looking a bit more to use the same reaction as found in plants. I don't know what would be the drawback of doing so, but if about all organism run on oxygen/glucose as an energy source, why aren't we looking to use it to? We could mimic natures by creating fuel out of Water/CO2 and release this back as Water CO2 when burning the fuel, thus exactly copying natures way of using solar energy. Anyone whith better knowledge to enlighten me?

Re:What about trees? (2, Informative)

WetCat (558132) | about 12 years ago | (#3343035)

Actually, it's a common misunderstanding.
Trees has breathing, too.
And the balance from the trees are near zero.
The most part of CO2 -> O2 is done by phitoplankton in oceans.

Re:What about trees? (0)

NorthDude (560769) | about 12 years ago | (#3343067)

My understanding was that they do breath mostly at night, in order to 'use' the produced glucose as fuel, the same way we breath to burn our own glucose. Vegetable are just very efficient at 'creating' their own fuel out of water/sun. Am I right?

Re:What about trees? (2)

hey! (33014) | about 12 years ago | (#3343061)

Actually, a better choice would be to plant crops that could be converted into fuel such as biodiesel. That way the C02 emitted at the tailpipe would be balanced by the C02 captured by the fuel plants, less lossage. I don't know if this is a permanent solution because of the long term demands on arable land, but it could be a way of replacing some carbon emissions whose source is mineral with carbon emissions whose source is atmospheric.

Re:What about trees? (3, Insightful)

Cade144 (553696) | about 12 years ago | (#3343072)

Trees went out of fashion because they are vulnerable to the very problem we are trying to solve, global warming.
Most species of trees have limited hability zone, raise or lower the temperature or annual rainfall, and the trees die. Dead trees decompose and give off methane (also a greenhouse gas) and C02.

Also, when was the last time you saw engineers tearing up a freeway, parking lot, or strip mall to plant a forest? Current land-use trends are for less greenspace, not more.

The use sounds too good... (4, Funny)

flipflapflopflup (311459) | about 12 years ago | (#3342863)

Surely there must be some way to turn this into a weapon of some sort.

It would make it easier to get funding.

Re:The use sounds too good... (1)

CptNoSkill (528594) | about 12 years ago | (#3343069)

I think it is more sad then funny.. If only because of how true that is...

If penguins where only more violent. I bet the US gov't would have switched to linux a long time ago...

Related story (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342867)

http://www.lanl.gov/worldview/news/releases/archiv e/02-030.shtml

In related news... (5, Insightful)

mcrbids (148650) | about 12 years ago | (#3342869)


Researches found that if everybody planted a tree, the effect on global warming would be similar, and could result in a worldwide reduced cost for lumber...

Re:In related news... (2)

Dutchmaan (442553) | about 12 years ago | (#3342944)

....but what fun is that... when it's so much more convenient for the powers that be to set up something huge and complex that they can overcharge us for...."for our own good"

Re:In related news... (1)

nsanit (153392) | about 12 years ago | (#3342974)

I find this interesting, since before I can plant a tree it must exist already (unless you're talking about from a seed).

Therefore, the act of me planting said tree is rather pointless since it already exists and therefore does not require me to exist.

Ok, now that that the synicism is off, it's not a bad thing to plant a tree now and then, but I just can't accept that it will make the difference people claim it will. Can you site that research you mentioned?

Re:In related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3343027)

Baby trees come from these places called nurseries. There, professionals plant seeds to produce saplings. Those nurseries are businesses, they'll produce as many saplings as people buy.


So, yes, if you plant a tree, it will come from a seed. And, yes, it will be a tree that wouldn't have been grown if not for you buying it.

Re:In related news... (1, Flamebait)

Big Dogs Cock (539391) | about 12 years ago | (#3342975)

Really? [newscientist.com] .

The whole thing sounds like crap to me. The amount of quicklime you would need is so huge it would be an environmental disaster on its own. Let's face it, it took plants millions of years (yes it did you fuckwit creationists) to put all that carbon safely underground. We've now dug most of it up and released it back into the atmosphere. It will take millions more years to get it safely back underground again. Think about that next time you fat fucks get in your SUV to go 400 yards to the video store.

Re:In related news... (2, Funny)

ShavenYak (252902) | about 12 years ago | (#3343059)

yes it did you fuckwit creationists

Damnit, you have to be careful. We don't want that debate on /. again, otherwise there'll be 8000 comments on this story...

Re:In related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342986)

Wasn't that propaganda created by the Chinese govt who actually sent people out to plant trees?
They plant trees, they support Linux, where is the hook?

First MULE, now this (5, Funny)

British (51765) | about 12 years ago | (#3342871)

It's easy. Just send a settler unit to the polluted area, and they will take care of it in a tunr or two.

(if you've played Civilization, you know what I mean)

Civ III (1)

blankmange (571591) | about 12 years ago | (#3342873)

Nothing like this in Civ III, either... maybe in a future expansion pack. OTOH, you can guide your civilization to leaving earth to colonize other planets..... definitely will need this in a future expansion pack....

Re: been there, played that. (1)

echucker (570962) | about 12 years ago | (#3342984)

It's called Alpha Centauri, another Sid Meier classic. The terraforming guide can be found at http://extra.gamespot.co.uk/pc.gamespot/features/a lphac_gg/part2_c6.html

Join the Navy! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342874)

Your mother and I have had it up to here with your lying around the house. You must take responsibility for your life. Son, you need to get up off your backside and join the freakin' Navy!

The word "monkey" is of uncertain origin; its first known usage was in 1498 when it was used in the literary work Reynard the Fox as the name of the son of Martin the Ape. "Monkey" has numerous nautical meanings, such as a small coastal trading vessel, single masted with a square sail of the 16th and 17th centuries; a small wooden cask in which grog was carried after issue from a grog-tub to the seamen's messes in the Royal Navy; a type of marine steam reciprocating engine where two engines were used together in tandem on the same propeller shaft; and a sailor whose job involved climbing and moving swiftly (usage dating to 1858). A "monkey boat" was a narrow vessel used on canals (usage dating to 1858); a "monkey gaff" is a small gaff on large merchant vessels; a "monkey jacket" is a close fitting jacket worn by sailors; "monkey spars" are small masts and yards on vessels used for the "instruction and exercise of boys;" and a "monkey pump" is a straw used to suck the liquid from a small hole in a cask; a "monkey block" was used in the rigging of sailing ships; "monkey island" is a ship's upper bridge; "monkey drill" was calisthenics by naval personnel (usage dating to 1895); and "monkey march" is close order march by US Marine Corps personnel (usage dating to 1952). [Sources: Cassidy, Frederick G. and Joan Houston Hall eds. Dictionary of American Regional English. vol.3 (Cambridge MA: Harvard University Press, 1996): 642; Wilfred Granville. A Dictionary of Sailors' Slang (London: Andre Deutch, 1962): 77; Peter Kemp ed. Oxford Companion to Ships & the Sea. (New York: Oxford University; Press, 1976): 556; The Oxford English Dictionary. New York: Oxford University Press, 1933; J.E. Lighter ed. Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang. (New York: Random House, 1994): 580.; and Eric Partridge A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English. 8th ed. (New York: Macmillan Publishing Company): 917.] "Monkey" has also been used within an ordnance context. A "monkey" was a kind of gun or cannon (usage dating to 1650). "Monkey tail" was a short hand spike, a lever for aiming a carronade [short-sight iron cannon]. A "powder monkey" was a boy who carried gun powder from the magazine to cannons and performed other ordnance duties on a warship (usage dating to 1682). [Source: The Oxford English Dictionary. New York: Oxford University Press, 1933.] The first recorded use of the term "brass monkey" appears to dates to 1857 when it was used in an apparently vulgar context by C.A. Abbey in his book Before the Mast, where on page 108 it says "It would freeze the tail off a brass monkey." [Source: Lighter, J.E. ed. Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang. (New York: Random House, 1994): 262.]

It has often been claimed that the "brass monkey" was a holder or storage rack in which cannon balls (or shot) were stacked on a ship. Supposedly when the "monkey" with its stack of cannon ball became cold, the contraction of iron cannon balls led to the balls falling through or off of the "monkey." This explanation appears to be a legend of the sea without historical justification. In actuality, ready service shot was kept on the gun or spar decks in shot racks (also known as shot garlands in the Royal Navy) which consisted of longitudinal wooden planks with holes bored into them, into which round shot (cannon balls) were inserted for ready use by the gun crew. These shot racks or garlands are discussed in: Longridge, C. Nepean. The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships. (Annapolis MD: Naval Institute Press, 1981): 64. A top view of shot garlands on the upper deck of a ship-of-the-line is depicted in The Visual Dictionary of Ships and Sailing. New York: Dorling Kindersley, 1991): 17.

"Brass monkey" is also the nickname for the Cunard Line's house flag which depicts a gold lion rampant on a red field. [Source: Rogers, John. Origins of Sea Terms. (Mystic CT: Mystic Seaport Museum, 1984): 23.

PI, 10000 digits (-1)

Rock 'N' Troll (566273) | about 12 years ago | (#3342876)

Well, if this ain't +5 Informative, then I don't know what the hell would be

Pi = 3 .
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5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679 : 100
8214808651 3282306647 0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 : 150
4811174502 8410270193 8521105559 6446229489 5493038196 : 200
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9833673362 4406566430 8602139494 6395224737 1907021798 : 550
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5695162396 5864573021 6315981931 9516735381 2974167729 : 5050
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5578297352 3344604281 5126272037 3431465319 7777416031 : 5250
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7723554710 5859548702 7908143562 4014517180 6246436267 : 5500

9456127531 8134078330 3362542327 8394497538 2437205835 : 5550
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2742042083 2085661190 6254543372 1315359584 5068772460 : 6000

2901618766 7952406163 4252257719 5429162991 9306455377 : 6050
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2540790914 5135711136 9410911939 3251910760 2082520261 : 6150
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2784768472 6860849003 3770242429 1651300500 5168323364 : 6250
3503895170 2989392233 4517220138 1280696501 1784408745 : 6300
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6198690754 8516026327 5052983491 8740786680 8818338510 : 6400
2283345085 0486082503 9302133219 7155184306 3545500766 : 6450
8282949304 1377655279 3975175461 3953984683 3936383047 : 6500

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2183564622 0134967151 8819097303 8119800497 3407239610 : 6650
3685406643 1939509790 1906996395 5245300545 0580685501 : 6700
9567302292 1913933918 5680344903 9820595510 0226353536 : 6750
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2711172364 3435439478 2218185286 2408514006 6604433258 : 6850
8856986705 4315470696 5747458550 3323233421 0730154594 : 6900
0516553790 6866273337 9958511562 5784322988 2737231989 : 6950
8757141595 7811196358 3300594087 3068121602 8764962867 : 7000

4460477464 9159950549 7374256269 0104903778 1986835938 : 7050
1465741268 0492564879 8556145372 3478673303 9046883834 : 7100
3634655379 4986419270 5638729317 4872332083 7601123029 : 7150
9113679386 2708943879 9362016295 1541337142 4892830722 : 7200
0126901475 4668476535 7616477379 4675200490 7571555278 : 7250
1965362132 3926406160 1363581559 0742202020 3187277605 : 7300
2772190055 6148425551 8792530343 5139844253 2234157623 : 7350
3610642506 3904975008 6562710953 5919465897 5141310348 : 7400
2276930624 7435363256 9160781547 8181152843 6679570611 : 7450
0861533150 4452127473 9245449454 2368288606 1340841486 : 7500

3776700961 2071512491 4043027253 8607648236 3414334623 : 7550
5189757664 5216413767 9690314950 1910857598 4423919862 : 7600
9164219399 4907236234 6468441173 9403265918 4044378051 : 7650
3338945257 4239950829 6591228508 5558215725 0310712570 : 7700
1266830240 2929525220 1187267675 6220415420 5161841634 : 7750
8475651699 9811614101 0029960783 8690929160 3028840026 : 7800
9104140792 8862150784 2451670908 7000699282 1206604183 : 7850
7180653556 7252532567 5328612910 4248776182 5829765157 : 7900
9598470356 2226293486 0034158722 9805349896 5022629174 : 7950
8788202734 2092222453 3985626476 6914905562 8425039127 : 8000

5771028402 7998066365 8254889264 8802545661 0172967026 : 8050
6407655904 2909945681 5065265305 3718294127 0336931378 : 8100
5178609040 7086671149 6558343434 7693385781 7113864558 : 8150
7367812301 4587687126 6034891390 9562009939 3610310291 : 8200
6161528813 8437909904 2317473363 9480457593 1493140529 : 8250
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1509682887 4782656995 9957449066 1758344137 5223970968 : 8500

3408005355 9849175417 3818839994 4697486762 6551658276 : 8550
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2609275249 6035799646 9256504936 8183609003 2380929345 : 9000

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2645600162 3742880210 9276457931 0657922955 2498872758 : 9950
4610126483 6999892256 9596881592 0560010165 5256375678 : 10000

he who rules the oxygen supply.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342878)

rules the world.

OLD News! (0)

Mike Mentalist (544984) | about 12 years ago | (#3342883)

Bah - didnt Sid Mieir invent this in one of the Civilization games?

Not sure which one though - Sid has obviously been taking lessons from Bill Gates, and has gone on to release about 56 versions of the sodding thing.
Sid is better at it though - 'Cos Civ is fantastic, and Windows... isnt...

Dont order one for your car just yet (1)

imrdkl (302224) | about 12 years ago | (#3342884)

According to the article, these need to be deployed in large, open, arid regions (like a desert) since
air that is deficient in carbon dioxide could have consequences on nearby plant life.
but it sounds interesting. Like a forest without the trees, in a way.

Re:Dont order one for your car just yet (2)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | about 12 years ago | (#3343023)

Actually it wouldn't be like a forest without trees, as trees releases oxygen into the atmosphere. The tech mentioned would simply remove the carbondioxide from the atmosphere without releasing anything back in again.

At last! (2, Funny)

Smuffe (152444) | about 12 years ago | (#3342886)

Large expanses of desert would not be affected by the CO2 deficit however, and could provide the wide-open spaces necessary both for the facility and to allow the discharged air to become well mixed with the atmosphere again.
Wohoo! I know we would find a way to colonize the deserts. After all, it's about the only piece of land we haven't paved yet.....

/Smuffe

Re:At last! (2)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | about 12 years ago | (#3343036)

Let's see.

1 yard^2 per person in the world => 0.83 m^2 per person in the world ~> 5,016 km^2 desert. That's actually not very much.

Elegy for *BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342889)


I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a cheerful tune
but keeping happy is so hard,
*BSD will be dead soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.

Crazy (3, Insightful)

photon317 (208409) | about 12 years ago | (#3342890)


Messing with the planet is what got us here in the first place. Attempting to mess with it on a more massive scale is quite dangerous and stupid. Just stop polluting and let mother nature sort herself back out of the course of a few decades.

I agree (1)

Carnivorous Carrot (571280) | about 12 years ago | (#3342912)

The worst of global warming is the flooding of a few coasts, and it may bring about better plant growth (something needed with larger and larger populations.)

Worse, it may stave off a mini ice age. Pulling out the CO2 on a massive scale might reverse what may be, unknowingly or not, gains we've made on preventing such a thing. An ice age is many times worse than any flooding.

Re:Crazy (2, Flamebait)

garcia (6573) | about 12 years ago | (#3342973)

I still say, pollute like hell, mother nature will fix herself anyway.

If that means causing problems for our way of life, tough. We fucked up, she will fix it.

It has happened before, it will happen again.

Re:Crazy (2, Insightful)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | about 12 years ago | (#3342995)

Normally when it happens, large numbers of animals die. What makes you so sure you won't be one of them?

Re:Crazy (2)

garcia (6573) | about 12 years ago | (#3343031)

not worried. not worried at all. If we die it was b/c we deserved it and the earth needed a change. It's all for the greater good.

Re:Crazy (2)

phaze3000 (204500) | about 12 years ago | (#3343054)

I still say, pollute like hell, mother nature will fix herself anyway.

If that means causing problems for our way of life, tough. We fucked up, she will fix it.

He's right you know people. Earth will go on no matter how much we pollute the earth!

Of course, mammals like us won't do too well, but hey, they and reptiles have already had their turn at running the planet. Isn't it time we handed the planet over to insects?

Re:Crazy (1)

Razzak (253908) | about 12 years ago | (#3343012)

Just stop polluting

Rofl. So, just give up all cars, factories, and, oh yes, beef and poultry?

Bahaha.

Re:Crazy (2)

photon317 (208409) | about 12 years ago | (#3343068)


I don't advocate any of that, so please dont attribute any "earth-first" ideas to me. I eat raw meat at least a few times a week and drive a gas-hog V8 Trans-Am because I like my accelerator pedal.

My point was in the context of solutions to the planet's problems that these scientists are seeking. Perhaps I should have prefaced the comment with "If you are worried that much about the environment..." or something.

In any case, "stop polluting" is a pretty viable option, just nobody really wants to do it. I'm not talking about you and me, we're just consumers. It's up to industry and government to find ways to give us everything we want and have now on less pollution. They just don't really have any good reason to pursue it, they're short-sighted like all of us.

Re:Crazy (2)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | about 12 years ago | (#3343071)

There's a huge difference between the carbondioxide released by animals and the carbondioxide released by burning fossile fuel.

Animals eats plants that at most has stored carbondioxide for say 15 years, though I can't quite think of any fodder that old. Compared to the time it takes an ecosystem to rebalance itself, this is like you missing out on about two seconds of breathing; in other words - it's not something it will notice.

Fossile fuel has stored carbondioxide for at least 15 million years (if I'm not mistaken brown-coal is 15 million years old, normal coal about 60 million years and oil and gas about the same age as normal coal). Unless I'm mistaken (which I often am), the general rule of thumb is, that an ecosystem can rebalance itself in aprox. 10,000 years. This is like you not breathing for say ... two days.

There is a difference, and anyone with half a brain and no vested interest in the proliferation of fossile fuels will tell you the same thing.

'X'? (1)

dryueh (531302) | about 12 years ago | (#3343019)

Stop polluting or become a Dragon of the Earth and destory Tokyo! Since it's common knowledge that Tokyo holds all 7 (or was that 8?) power shields (propogated by the Dragon's of the Heavens), destory Tokyo=destroy Earth.

Human kind is thus destroyed and mother nature gets to re-heal herself before it's all too late! Genius!

Re:'X'? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3343074)

well, no. We just have to wipe Americans from this planet.

Ooh, SimEarth... (2, Interesting)

zaren (204877) | about 12 years ago | (#3342901)

I managed to get Mars terraformed in SimEarth within 50 years... wonder how quick it'll be able to happen in real life, since there aren't many ice meteors floating around for us to grab...

Then again, it doesn't have to be done all at once. Scientists can start by just terraforming one chunk of Mars, and then build out from there. It would make sense to start near one of the poles, where there's a large concentration of ice; that would definitely make things easier at the start.

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Re:Ooh, SimEarth... (0, Offtopic)

dryueh (531302) | about 12 years ago | (#3343034)

Ice Meteors + Nanotechnology = SimEarth invincibility!

Of course, once the inhabitants of SimEarth began to enjoy the benefits of nanotechnology, they all moved into bubble-cities--flying bubble cities--and flew off the planet. Nanotech is, apparently, a double-edged sword.

Other effects on the environment? (2, Insightful)

jacobcaz (91509) | about 12 years ago | (#3342903)

OK, this sounds fine and dandy, but if we're vigorously scrubbing our environment of CO2 isn't there to much of a good thing?

I mean, at what low levels of present CO2 is plant life starting to be affected? I would hate to crank up a system like this and see vast forests just dissapearing because of lack of CO2 levels. I assume there have to be some checks to how much we remove, but if profit is as stake, will there really be those checks?

How can they really simulate this to test all the effects on our environment?

We're looking at MASSIVE changes in our environment if they think they can just rollback the air to pre-industrial revoluiton air quality!

Re:Other effects on the environment? (1)

Cheeko (165493) | about 12 years ago | (#3342970)

In the article they state that it would be implimented in arid regions, like a large desert, were the impact on plantlife would be minimalized. The natural air currents would then distribute the decreased CO2 levels around the planet.

The figures are extremely optimistic (5, Insightful)

arivanov (12034) | about 12 years ago | (#3342905)

As a chemist I can say that the idea of capturing CO2 with CaO on an industrial scale is extremely optimistic.

It will consume huge amounts of energy to convert back and the efficiency will be very low. The figures come out so optimistic only if you forget about the fact that CaO gets covered by Ca carbonate quickly and in the absence of water the diffusion of CO2 to the remaining CaO will slow to a crawl.

Only alternative to this is to disperse the CaO to micron sizes which means emitting insane amounts of dust into the atmosphere. Same is valid for extracting back. Unless you make the CaCO3 granules of micron or less size the energy efficiency in recovering CaO is very low.In either case you either need huge amounts of water or you will pepper with CaCO3 dust everything several thousands miles windward.

This reeks of "reaserch" sponsored by specific global warming villains. Just the mentioning of "there is enough fossil fuels" about says it all. No names mentioned... We know them all...

Re:The figures are extremely optimistic (2, Informative)

TeaDaemon (544727) | about 12 years ago | (#3343010)

If you read the article, the CaO is in solution, with the CaCO3 precipitating out, so the dust problem should be adequately controlled.

I do agree with you about the amount of energy required to convert the CaCO3 back to CaO, I wonder if that will be from renewable sources that do not produce CO2?

Already done on a large scale (1)

Veramocor (262800) | about 12 years ago | (#3343065)

A system similiar to this is already done on the large scale in paper making.

Where CaO is slaked to form CaOH2 in water and used to recaustizice Na2CO3 back to HaOH.

The resulting CaCO3 is recovered and converted back to CaO at the cost of a great deal of energy and time in a unit op called a lime kiln.

There is no way this system can work, assuming the same fuel source you'll using more energy then you gain. And don't eventhink of alternative sources for this one, the reaction requires too muh concentrated energy.

[Insert rimshot here] (3, Insightful)

eples (239989) | about 12 years ago | (#3342906)


a new method for extracting carbon dioxide from the atmosphere on a large scale and at normal concentrations

In the study, the old method called Planting a tree, was found to be too conventional and made the landscape too pleasing to look at.

But seriously, this is a GoodThing(tm).

Wow... (2)

Derkec (463377) | about 12 years ago | (#3342908)

This is very, very cool. But we should be very, very careful we know what's going on before we start experimenting with terraforming earth.

The SimEarth Effect (2, Funny)

rgoer (521471) | about 12 years ago | (#3342915)

We'd better watch out... if we've now got terraformers, the next thing you know someone will have kept placing alien monoliths straight onto one protozoa until, lo and behold, "Protozoa have gone sentient!" Now we just have to wait for all those damn nanotech protozoa cities to blast off into orbit...

Don't go too far... (2)

Bonker (243350) | about 12 years ago | (#3342916)

repairing Earth's atmosphere to pre-Industrial-Age levels!

While I beleive that there is a definite global warming problem and that most people don't understand what that really means... (More severe, chaotic weater, just not hotter weather)

I think that any radical change to the atmosphere should be taken with *EXTREME* caution so as to not make a bad situation worse.

Anyone read Niven's 'Fallen Angels'?

Before the turn of the century, it was not Global Warming that scientists were worried about, but Global Cooling. Several harsh and long winters, some due to violent volcano explosions, had decimated crops and reduced the world's food supply.

Let us not forget that an ice-age will trap valuable freshwater that could otherwise be raining down on crops in the form of glaciers.

Stopping the increase in and even reducing the amount of greenhouse gasses may be a very good thing, especially if it helps reduce the amount of incredibly severe weather caused by global warming.

Reducing it to a set level just because we 'ought to' is not a bright idea.

Re:Don't go too far... (2)

buckeyeguy (525140) | about 12 years ago | (#3343045)

Might happen anyway... between the aforementioned volcanic activity (I'd say we're due for a big blast, but then I'm not a geologist) and other natural factors, like iron-rich dust blowing off of Africa and spawning large algal blooms in the Atlantic (mentioned here [nasa.gov] ), we could just as easily go backwards on the CO2 chart. Or, as mentioned here [nasa.gov] , it may be the Amazon kicking it up a notch.

Either way, like the old margarine commercial said, It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!

Power (2, Insightful)

Kensaro (441844) | about 12 years ago | (#3342921)

Hang on, you'd have to cook the stuff to get your lye back as well as pure CO2, wouldn't that require power? Hmmm, lets burn some fossile fuels to get that, we can burn unlimited amounts of fossile fuels now since we can just extract the CO2 from the air again.

Oh, and I've got this model of a perpetum mobile for sale.....

Just dont crack the planet in half.. (2)

ZaneMcAuley (266747) | about 12 years ago | (#3342924)

*recalls a scene from the new Time Machine movie remake where the moon gets destroyed* :D

There is no room for mistakes.

Mayor Quimby! (2, Funny)

Chayce (199487) | about 12 years ago | (#3342926)

But Quimby promised if he got elected as president he would HELP global warming so that we could turn antartica into a tropic paradise and also we could have all the fried fish we wanted from the gulf of mexico... I voted for him for president, why didnt you?

Environmentalists (2, Funny)

NetAngler (209960) | about 12 years ago | (#3342927)

How many people want to wager that environmentalists will think this is a bad thing. Anything that will allow me to drive my SUV, can't be good, can it?

Re:Environmentalists (2, Interesting)

elvum (9344) | about 12 years ago | (#3343073)

They'll be rightly sceptical, because the holes in the theory as presented in this article are big enough for you to drive your SUV through them quite comfortably.

More to the point, how many people want to wager that the energy / motoring lobbies will take this single study and claim it as proof that people can pollute as much as they like, because their children will have the technology to clear up after them?

Here at Los Alamos, we can do both! (3, Funny)

bachelor3 (68410) | about 12 years ago | (#3342929)

Los Alamos enhances global security by ensuring the safety and reliability of the U.S. nuclear stockpile, developing technologies to reduce threats from weapons of mass destruction...

Just covering all our bases, I guess :)

other solutions? (5, Insightful)

Apps (21158) | about 12 years ago | (#3342930)

For 20 cents per gallon, you could subsidise a better fuel such as Biodiesel [biodiesel.com] which absorbs more carbon while growing than it emits while being used as fuel.

Also you could plant a lot of trees!!

Memorable Quotes from Scarface (-1)

Mao Zedong (467890) | about 12 years ago | (#3342936)

Tony Montana: I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.

Frank: Rule number one: don't underestimate the other guy's greed. Rule number two: don't get high on your own supply.

M.C. at Babylon Club: Another great night here at the Babylon, right? Okay. All right! Do another gram, you'll all be babblin' on.

Tony: I'm Tony Montana. You fuck with me, you fuckin' with the best.

Tony: I kill a communist for fun, but for a green card, I gonna carve him up real nice.

Frank Lopez: You thought Omar was a stoolie because Sosa said so? You bought that line!

Bernstein: Every day above ground is a good day.

Tony: You wanna fuck with me? Okay. You wanna play rough? Okay. Say hello to my little friend.

Tony Montana: I never fucked anyone over in my life who didn't have it coming to 'em.

Tony: In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.

Tony: Make way for the bad guy.

Tony: Why don't you try sticking your head up your ass? See if it fits!

Elvira: Don't toot your horn honey, you're not that good.

Tony Montana: Who put this thing together? Me, that's who! Who do I trust? Me!

U.S. Officer: What about homosexuality, Tony? You like men, huh? You like to dress up like a woman?
Tony Montana: What the fuck is wrong with this guy, man, are you kidding me or what
U.S. Officer: Just answer the questions, Tony
Tony Montana: OK, no! OK? Fuck, no!

Tony Montana: All I have in this world is balls and my word and I don't break 'em for no one. You understand?

Tony Montana: You know what capitalism is? Getting fucked!

Tony Montana: This is paradise, I'm tellin' ya. This town like a great big pussy jus' waitin' to get fucked.

Tony Montana: What are you lookin' at? You're all a bunch of fuckin' assholes. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers, and say "that's the bad guy." So, what'll that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you.

Immigration Officer: Where'd you get the beauty scar, tough guy, eatin' pussy?
Tony Montana: How'm I gonna get a scar like that eating pussy?

Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me.
Manolo 'Manny' Ray: Oh, well what's coming to you?
Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it.

Omar: Watch my back.
Tony Montana: Better than your front, lemme tell you. Much easier to watch.

Alejandro Sosa: I only tell you once. Don't fuck me, Tony. Don't you ever try to fuck me.

Alejandro Sosa: Alberto is an expert in the disposal business.

Elvira: Can't you stop saying fuck all the time?

Tony: You've got a look in your eye like you haven't been fucked in a year.
Elvira: Hey, Jose. Who, when, why, and how I fuck is none of your business.

Where does it get its power from? (3, Interesting)

cperciva (102828) | about 12 years ago | (#3342939)

Wouldn't such an operation require rather a large power budget?

I think the first step in reducing athmospheric CO2 must be to stop the use of fossil fuels for large power plants where clear alternatives (eg, solar/wind/wave/tidal/nuclear) exist.

Re:Where does it get its power from? (1)

linzeal (197905) | about 12 years ago | (#3343008)

Especially nuclear. We have ng power plants out here in california that make the energy cost ass loads more than it would from a nuke plant.

It's OK, there's a cure... (2)

digitalhermit (113459) | about 12 years ago | (#3342940)

Oh, I get it. There's no need to cut down fossil fuel emissions or take active measures using existing technologies because this method of CO2 reduction will cure everything. We can continue living our lifestyles unaffected. Woohoo!

I remember when the media latched onto the AIDS epidemic. People abstained because there was no cure. As soon as word got around that some researcher somewhere thought of an idea that could "cure" AIDS, the risky behaviour started again.

www.dictionary.com says... (1)

aug24 (38229) | about 12 years ago | (#3342945)

pun Pronunciation Key (pn)
n. A play on words, sometimes on different senses of the same word and sometimes on the similar sense or sound of different words.

So you don't pun, you just make a weak joke. No wonder the yanks have such a downer on puns: They don't know what they are!

They're still not looking at the big picture... (1)

Cloud 9 (42467) | about 12 years ago | (#3342949)

After reading the article, two issues immediately spring to mind...

1. What do they plan on doing with all the calcium carbonate? That stuff isn't going to go away, as opposed to carbon dioxide, which will go away, if not as quickly as we can produce it.
2. Reclaiming the CO2 won't replenish fossil fuels, and if there are no risks in using them anymore, you can be certain there won't be any more legislation calling for restrictions on emissions. Eventually, we will run out.

While this would be a solution for removing atmospheric carbon dioxide, they're still not offering a solution about how to reduce the depletion of our fossil fuels.

In effect.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342954)

So, in effect, they are using the chemical reaction to create limestone, and then change the limestone back into the original chemical agent using lots of heat, releasing pure CO2 for collection.

They then say that if this was done on a large enough scale, it could reduce CO2 levels.

What I'd like to know is how large is "large enough"? Sounds like to me that for every coal-burning plant, we'd need a CO2 'eating' plant to compensate for the CO2 release.. that is, unless they were integrated. And if they were integrated, it would most certainly just cost us more for our electricity.

This doesn't appear to be very profitable. The company that does this will get lots of CO2, which can be sold to oil companies, as the article states. But is CO2 valuable enough to make a decent profit out of having hundreds of these CO2 extration plants running?

The article also states that the cost of doing this would cost about 20 cents for each gallon of gas used, to reclaim the CO2. Well, for one, gas prices are already very high in some places in the world (Europe comes to mind). But one thing isn't noted: 20 cents a gallon for the millions of gallons of gasolene used every year is a whole crapload of money.

I'm not a CO2 extraction expert (INACO2EE?) but this plan does not seem as economically feasible as the article seems to suggest.

Sounds good (1)

delphin42 (556929) | about 12 years ago | (#3342957)

But what about other pollutants. It isn't as if CO2 is the most harmful of fossil fuel products. What about carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, sulfur oxides, hydrocarbons, and particulates?

Who's gonna pay for these plants to be constructed and operated??

1 square yard per person? (1)

capt. eyeball (24670) | about 12 years ago | (#3342961)

That's a lot of area. If we consider that only a third of the world is developed, use the current estimate of the number of people in the WHOLE world (6,218,162,742/3), That's (trusting my elementary math skillz) 2007 square miles -- A square roughly 45 miles a side.

Of course, if this turns out to be feasible, then we encourage "pollution" by saying that CO2 emissions are a nonissue. What about emissions of NO2 (major smog/low-level ozone contributor)?

And then we start the endless cycle of:
more CO2 -> more "limestone" converters in the dessert-> more CO2 -> more converters -> wash -> rinse -> repeat

Maybe a temporary "fix" at best?

uhm - and where is the oil going to come from? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3342962)

"...which could allow sustained use of fossil fuels while avoiding potential global climate change."

and for how long can we sustain the use of fossil-fuels?

Extremes are always dangerous.. (2)

tcc (140386) | about 12 years ago | (#3342967)

You pollute to the extreme, you see something happening... you wait till the last extreme minute and you do another 180 degree extreme solution to repair it.

I mean this is like punching someone's face untill he's almost dead, and then applying bandages until he suffocates and overdosing him with painkillers. yeah, it might work, but there's always going to be permanent damages in the process, you cannot just do something massive on a planetary scale and "think it'll act like this" with no doubts.

How can you tell that you could fix up the atmosphere to pre-industrial age and not suffocate plants (to name one "possible" example) if you cannot even predict weather correctly? how can you talk about a planetary system when you still have a hard time analyzing the data that you took a century to gather and trim?

Of course, applying such a technology let's say, locally (i.e. car exausts, petro-chems, etc) would fix a BIG part of the problem and be more plausible. I just don't trust someone that comes and claim this big. I am all for revolution but in this case we need evolution (that doesn't mean I wouldn't want RAPID evolution), that way we can rollback if there's something going wrong.

my 0.02.

interesting... but what about (1)

kritikal (247499) | about 12 years ago | (#3342983)

the more potent green house gases, like methane, nitrogen compounds, and chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's)? each of these does exist in the atmosphere in smaller quantities than those of CO2, but they have strong heat-absorbing properties, which may make them a greater threat than CO2. furthermore, they are complementary, in that they each tend to trap a different spectra of thermal radiation.

studies show that in the early 80's a very large rise of these gasses was detected in the atmosphere, and their output has hardly slowed either.

All fine and dandy..... (1)

Mhrmnhrm (263196) | about 12 years ago | (#3342989)

Except the article makes it sound that there's an unlimited amount of fossil fuels. Great, so we can burn all the coal, oil, tar, trees, and whatnot because now we have this incredible CO2 removal system, but the underlying problem of there being only so much dead goopy stuff underground remains. I doubt anybody smart enough to actually do something is reading this (Brains and gov't just don't seem to mix), but on the off chance...

Don't take cough syrup to hide the symptoms, cure the disease itself!

How irresponsible... (4, Interesting)

DickPhallus (472621) | about 12 years ago | (#3342991)

Imagine No Restrictions On Fossil-Fuel Usage And No Global Warming

I kind of found this headline a bit disturbing... I hate things like this because they really discourage any responsibilty... It reminds me of all those miracle diets; "Eat all the fatty foods you want and don't gain a pound." Seems like people today just don't want responsibility.

I'm sure it would be a lot better on the planet on a whole if we aimed to reduce emmisions gradually, thus *if* there were any consequences to the environemnt they could probably be dealt with a lot easier than massive forest die-offs or the like.

Of course reducing emissions need some sort of united effort *cough* kyoto *cough*...

Goodo! (1)

lobsterGun (415085) | about 12 years ago | (#3343003)

We can adjust the atmosphere back to pre-industrial levels?!?
COOL!

I want to go back the the mini Ice Age of the 14th century!

Ohh Ohh! Then lets raise temperatures so that Greenland is LUSH and FERTILE again!

So many things to do, so little time! Lets get cracking!

enginneering already in progress? (2)

Alien54 (180860) | about 12 years ago | (#3343004)

Remember Chemtrails?

For anyone not following this bit of madness, Chemtrails are the contrails of jetaircraft that seem to have unusual persistence. The conspiracy folks have had a field day with this, and I remain somewhat skeptical.

One angle on this (see site here [teksphere.com] ) is the speculation that the chemtrails are caused by additives to the jetfuel designed to reduce global warming by reflecting more of the solar radiation into space.

They even cite this US Patent (5003186) [uspto.gov] as proof of concept.

truely strange stuff.

The thought that someone may already be engineering or terraforming the earth is slightly disturbing.

A crutch, great! (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | about 12 years ago | (#3343006)

We'll never have to learn self-control or willpower, some technology will always bail us out! Yay!

Fighting fire with gasoline? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3343014)

So instead of letting the CO2 stay as petrolium underground, we pump it up, free it, capture it and use it to pump more?

Wouldn't this be just a little big? (1)

Gord.ca (236984) | about 12 years ago | (#3343018)

From the article:
A typical extraction facility that could extract all current carbon dioxide emissions would require only an area of one square yard per person in the developed world.

Okey... Change that to a meter^2/person (so we can use metric, a REAL measuring system. Just like language wars, eh? Guess where I'm from.) Say 500 million people in the developed world (this number depends less on the population than what you call 'devoloped').
500 Mil m^2 = 500 km^2 = square 22 km (36 miles) on a side.

That would be a rather large plant. Construction costs wouldn't be aided by the fact that the article suggests building it in the middle of nowhere. Why do I get the impression that the oil companies would lobby their way out of having to pay for it?

..another atempt to justify wrong politics? (1)

CaraCalla (219718) | about 12 years ago | (#3343026)

Look at who sponsered the research. Isn't it the same guys within the Bush administration who profite from continious exploitation of natural resources?

Isn't it just another atempt to justify Bush's decision "to do nothing that could endanger the groth of our economy"?

Does any independent source actually think this could work?

fart extraction? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3343028)

Does a fart contains carbon dioxide???

No Need to Nuke it from Orbit (1)

Mad Man (166674) | about 12 years ago | (#3343030)

Didn't anyone ever see "Aliens"?

Don't they know what one of those terraforming plants can do?

Not to mention the kind of business executives who own the plants, the space monsters attracted to them, and the fate of the people who work there.

No thank you. Not on my planet.

As with usual PopSci / PopMech articles... (1)

reynolds_john (242657) | about 12 years ago | (#3343050)

This will never make the light of day. Let's review promises and predictions:

1. Flying cars (1950s)
2. Personal Planes (1960s)
3. 1/2 the world living peacefully underwater in huge cities like 'atlantis' (1970s)
4. "No one will ever need more than 640k of ram" (1980s)
5. Cold Fusion (no damnit, not from Macromedia!) (since 1940s)

I'm sure we'll all hold our collective breaths for this one!

Wasn't there a Star Trek Episode NG about this? (1)

jjn1056 (85209) | about 12 years ago | (#3343062)

And didn't they nearly all die? I remember the inhabitants of this world all walked around with inhalers or something to help them breath? In the end, only the miracle of that Q girl saved them all.

Something like that, anyway.

BTW, notice this comes from the DOE, which is a government ageny run by President Oilman Bush, so it's no surprise they are coming up with this far out pseudo science to distract us from demanding a real enviromental policy. Think about it.

This seems to be Pie in the Sky (1)

kvn299 (472563) | about 12 years ago | (#3343063)

The whole article has a gee-whiz-we-can-do-it feel to it. It seems to me that trying to capture CO2 once it's in the atmosphere isn't the best solution. Of course, I'm not an expert...

Another thing that caught my attention is this quote:

Cost of the entire process is equivalent to about 20 cents per gallon of gasoline - a nominal cost when one considers the recent price fluctuations at gasoline pumps across the nation, Dubey said.

I filled my tank this weekend at $1.44 per gallon. .20/1.44 = 13.8. I hardly think that's "nomimal."

For another interesting take on this topic go to:

www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.11/ecohacking.html

The article is a couple of years old and I'm not sure how things turned out, but it's still an interesting concept.
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