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Nomad Jukebox 3 Officially Out

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the feature-rich-environment dept.

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An Anonymous Coward writes: "It seems that the long awaited Jukebox 3 is officially out. Features include time scaling, to play files at different speeds without affecting pitch, multichannel effects, optical input, wireless remote and two battery ports. Probably not an iPod killer yet, although it has many, many more features and welcome firewire port. Now when will this thing be available?"

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Damn (-1)

Mao Zedong (467890) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354329)

Hello

Re:Damn (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354336)

Went to work. Got paid. Missed FP. Masturbation.

Re:Damn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354632)

First Klerck is a scab-infested whore post!

Oh my God! I can't believe it! (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354333)

How many fucking stories do you need in one afternoon. Fuckers!

Get it in you!

Yet another way to piss off the RIAA (0, Offtopic)

Ma$$acre (537893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354341)

Time to siphon off some more profit from the RIAA.

Re:Yet another way to piss off the RIAA (0, Offtopic)

jimbolaya (526861) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354631)

I don't think of portable MP3s players as doing any such thing as "siphon[ing] off some more profit from the RIAA," and I don't think to suggest so is constructive. It's the RIAA's largely incorrect belief that this is the effect of such devices that is resulting in their foolish crack down.

Here's the situation...people like to take their music with them. This is why we have and have had for decades portable music devices--radios, tape players, CD players, car stereos, and now, portable MP3 players. People like music, especially when they are on the go. The RIAA surely must realize this, and they profit from it.

If it's convenient to carry a CD with you when you go jogging, it is even more convenient to carry your entire CD collection with you. At least 95% of the MP3s I have on my computer (I'm still holding off on the iPod purchase) are ripped from my own, legally owned CDs (I admit to possessing a few downloaded songs). However,I listen to music far more often while driving than while at home. Once I do get that iPod, and an iPod connection kit, [drbott.com] listening to music in my truck will be more convenient. And I'll be able to listen while running. I'll listen to more music. I'll buy more music. RIAA will make more money. And, hopefully, I'll run more often.

So, let's start a grassroots effort here, and let the RIAA know that players MP3 will not decrease their revenue. They're likely to increase revenue, provided the record companies back off their ill conceived copy protection schemes.

This is it. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354342)

F1rst!

Paid Avertisment??? (3, Insightful)

VonSnaggle (64586) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354346)

Is this one of those paid advertisment/article things????

Slashvertisement (1)

jimmcq (88033) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354393)

That would be a Slashvertisement [slashdot.org]

Your Wife's Been in an Accident (-1)

Mao Zedong (467890) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354347)

Mr. Jones gets a call from the hospital. They tell him his wife's been in a terrible car accident.

He rushes to the hospital, runs in to the ER and says his wife's been in an accident.

They tell him Dr. Smith is handling the case. They page the doctor. He comes out to the waiting room to see a terribly upset Mr. Jones.

"Mr. Jones?" the doctor asks. "Yes sir, what's happened? How is my wife?"

The doctor sits next to him and says, "Not good news. Your wife's accident resulted in two fractures of her spine."

"Oh my God" says Mr. Jones, "what will be her prognosis?"

"Well, Mr. Jones, her vital signs are stable. However, her spine is inoperable. She'll have no motor skills or capability. This means you will have to feed her."

Mr. Jones begins to sob. "And you'll have to turn her in her bed every two hours to prevent pneumonia."

Mr. Jones begins to wail and cry loudly.

"Then, of course," the doctor continued, "you'll have to diaper her as he'll have no control over her bladder and of course these diapers must be changed at least five times a day."

Mr. Jones begins to shake as he cries, sobs, wails.

The doctor continues: "And you'll have to clean up her feces on a regular basis as she'll have no control over her sphincter. Her bowel will engorge whenever and quite often I'm afraid. Of course you must clean her immediately to avoid accumulation of the putrid effluent she'll be emitting regularly."

Now Mr. Jones is convulsing sobbing uncontrollably and beginning to wither off the bench into a sobbing pitiful mass.

Just then Dr. Smith reaches out his hand and pats Mr. Jones on the shoulder. "Hey, I'm just fucking with you. She's dead."

maybe (1)

KaizerWill (240074) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354350)

maybe the price will come down on the previous models, so i can have a shot at owning one...

hacking 'legal' in argentina (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354355)

goto: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/ne wsid_1932000/1932191.stm

I wish... (-1)

Voyager Sucks Ass (570844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354356)

Star Trek: Voyager were officially off my fucking TV set every night. Seriously. When was the last time that shit didn't stink to high heaven?

Berman just keeps on crappin' it out with this Enterprise show, too. Jesus fuck; will it ever end?

I really don't understand (2, Insightful)

madenosine (199677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354357)

why people buy mp3 players shaped like cd players; the circular design is not nearly as convanient as a small rectangle. is there something I'm missing here?

Re:I really don't understand (-1, Flamebait)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354371)

no -- you're not missing anything. creative's industrial design team is. iPod shits all over this piece of shit! FUCK THE NOMAD AND FUCK CREATIVE AND FUCK YOU!!!

Re:I really don't understand (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354415)

Why was this modded to 1? You can get modded up for swearing excessively and praising apple now? Well apple fucking rules. I fucking hate you. Get the fuck off this post. Mod me up, Scotty.

fuck you bitch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354525)

APPLE R00LZ & CREATIVE SUUUUUX MOTHERFUCKER!

Mod me up to 1, thanks. have a nice day.

Re:I really don't understand (2, Funny)

Istealmymusic (573079) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354375)

To keep the corners from poking you, sending subliminal messages telling you MP3s cause harm.

Re:I really don't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354385)

It is a hard drive based mp3 player it needs to have the same circular shape as a hard drive (at least that is what i think)and it would need to be large to have 6gb of space

Re:I really don't understand (1)

madenosine (199677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354436)

No, my archos jukebox is a hard drive. it holds 20 gigs and is much smaller than this one (btw, hard drive cases are rectangular)

Re:I really don't understand (3, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354615)

No, my archos jukebox is a hard drive. it holds 20 gigs and is much smaller than this one (btw, hard drive cases are rectangular)

Looking at the software side the Nomad device looks pretty febble. You still have to download software into the thing. The Archos device is just a USB hard drive that will attempt to play any file with a .mp3 extension if you tell it to.

There are a bunch of drawbacks with the Archos. First the idiots hardwired the batteries into the case. So even though the batteries are standard AA NiMh batteries you have to carry arround a screwdriver and void your warranty to change them. I get about 4 hours actual use from the things so I often want to change batteries in mid flight and I doubt my scrwdriver is compatible with the new security regulations.

It would be much better if Archos et al adopted a common standard form factor for a smallish LiIon battery. Nikon have already developed a camera battery in a form factor that matches one of the new alkaline battery form factors.

The other problem with the archos is that mine skips tracks frequently and often. It is just not robust enough. It appears that errors or what it thinks are errors in the mp3 encoding cause the thing to stop playing.

The other problem with the archos is that the numbskulls have a 20Mb version and a 6Mb version that records but no 20Mb version that records. Also it is not apparent whether the recording version has a microphone input so that it can be used as a dictation machine. The guys appear to be concentrating on the MP3 market and ignoring the tens of millions of people who buy dictation machines. I would like to be able to dictate into the machine and then play back the recording into dragon dictate or Office XP for analysis.

Re:I really don't understand (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354526)


why people buy mp3 players shaped like cd players; the circular design is not nearly as convanient as a small rectangle. is there something I'm missing here?


rounded appliances don't crack as easily as square ones when you drop them?

Re:I really don't understand (1)

madenosine (199677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354591)

you can put rubber on the edges; my archos jukebox has rubber on all the corners and it doesnt get damaged when it drops

i doubt it would be true anyways tho

Re:I really don't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354614)

OK, buy a NEX II, be there, it's square. 'Course, it's limited to compact flash capacity, no more than a gig, and it's $$.

Release date (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354359)

I talked to one of the circuit designers for this project and he expects the Nomad to be ready around July 2002.

RIAA reaction time (1)

sgtsanity (568914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354360)

I wonder how long it'll be until the RIAA releases some new survey blaming music jukeboxes like this for a decrease in sales?

Personalized? (0)

eweu (213081) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354366)

Nice, but can I get my root password engraved on the back? I keep forgetting it...

Steve Jobs... (2, Funny)

IronTek (153138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354368)

I think I must be caught in Steve Jobs's Reality Destortion Field.

...because I still want an iPod over this thing!

Actually, this thing is great, certainly better than the first two (of which I never really liked), but it's still too large to be truly portable.

GMAFB.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354582)

...it's still too large to be truly portable.

Well, the lame battery life and small capacity of the iPod compared to this make it unportable and unusable as a storage device. Everything is an absolute, black or white, there is no gray, only what Steve tells you.

Did Nomad Pay for This? (5, Interesting)

Cheshire Cat (105171) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354373)

I don't mean this as a flame, but articles like this do beg the question of whether or not advertisers are paying to have the products promoted as a Slashdot story. Especially when there's nothing really that insightful here. Furthermore given the financial strugges of Slashdot's parent company, its not unthinkable to see them accepting advertising funds in exchange for Slashdot hits.

Just wondering, I guess....

Re:Did Nomad Pay for This? (4, Funny)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354475)

I guess that April Fools story [slashdot.org] about the updated slashdot advertisement policy wasn't an april fools after all...

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354563)

Maybe someone at Creative submitted as AC

Re:Did Nomad Pay for This? (1)

nucal (561664) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354566)

You'll know if you start seeing banner ads for Nomad tomorrow...

Re:Did Nomad Pay for This? (4, Interesting)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354621)

articles like this do beg the question of whether or not advertisers are paying to have the products promoted as a Slashdot story

As someone who has sent a product [slimdevicies.com] to Slashdot for review, let me tell you that this is *not* how it works. These guys like gadgets, and they consider product announcements to be worthy of "news for nerds". Judging by the number of comments attached these stories, most slashdot readers agree. That's why you see a lot of MP3 and PVR related stories.

We didn't pay slashdot to review the SliMP3. All cmdrTaco got out of it was a free prototype. I wasn't even the one who submitted the original story about my project. Somebody just found us on the web, and submitted a story. That's usually how slshdot works. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't see the slashdot effect - don't you think sites would prepare for the traffic if they knew a story was coming out?

no vorbis? (2, Insightful)

bani (467531) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354379)

no sale...

better luck next time, creative.

Exactly (2)

krmt (91422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354421)

Is there any techincal reason why no one supports vorbis yet? I know... I know... it's not as popular as MP3 and therefore probably not worth the money, but in terms of the purely technical, why isn't there a portable ogg player? The project is in the 1.0RC phase, and we all know it's a high quality product. Given that the software itself is free, how hard would it be to put the decoder in to one of these things? I just don't understand.

Re:Exactly (3, Insightful)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354462)

Someone has to manufacture an ASIC to decode vorbis. You can't do it on a general purpose processor because the usual embedded processors like ARM are not fast enough and processors that are fast enough use too much power. I don't think anyone will produce a vorbis ASIC until a huge market for portable, low-power vorbis players exist.

The only likely scenario would be an existing MP3 ASIC manufacturer adding vorbis support to their product. At least that wouldn't require (much) more space on the circuit board.

Re:Exactly (2, Informative)

ikeleib (125180) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354506)

You are wrong. The ASIC based decoders have less horsepower than the ARM based decoders. It's lack of a codec that's holding it back. The ammount of NOR flash on most player boards is more than enough for an additional codec. NO ADDITIONAL PARTS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR MOST MP3 PLAYERS.

To help in making a fixed pont Ogg codec, see: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ivdev

Re:Exactly (2)

krmt (91422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354638)

Interesting... how much work is this project going to entail? I don't know much about encoding, but if you could point me towards whatever docs need to be read to help out, I'd like to help. I feel like I've been waiting for a portable vorbis player forever, and if this would really be the key, then I'd like to help.

Re:Exactly (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354509)

Free vorbis decoders use floating point.

Portal players use integers.

There aren't integer vorbis decoders that are free (beer or speech).

Re:Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354540)

portal=portable.

(brain hurt)

Re:Exactly (1)

named (3909) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354522)

One of the problems is that the present decoder requires a floating point unit to be present (or to use the horribly slow emulation). Apparently, there is/will be a integer decoder available for sale from the creators of Vorbis that will fix this situation. Apparently, there's even been interest in said decoder. Maybe soonish we'll see some hardware players supporting Vorbis... that will be sweet.

See this thread [xiph.org] for details.

Technical reason (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354574)

Well, technically, nobody gives a shit.

Re:no vorbis? (2)

javilon (99157) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354511)

... And no Linux! At least in the system requiremets page.

I guess I'll have to wait.

Re:no vorbis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354545)

i just called creative's U.S. sales support [creative.com] telephone number (800-998-5227) and asked about vorbis. the guy said he'd vaguely heard the term, but that since the product was already in production, vorbis wouldn't be in there.

i said, "it's firmware upgradeable, right?"

he said "yes, it's firmware upgradeable and can support future formats."

so if someone can convince creative to release enough technical info to be able to port the vorbis decoder to the unit (fat chance), it should be possible to do. the question is (as one of the replies to the parent post points out), is the hardware capable of doing the decoding fast enough as-is, or is an ASIC absolutely necessary? based on the "support future formats" bit i'd guess it shouldn't need a new ASIC, but i'm not sure about that.

anyway, if you care about seeing vorbis in this thing at some point, a phone call wouldn't be a bad idea.

-fp

Re:no vorbis? (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354549)

No Vorbis?

Probably because only 1% of the people they're marketing it to actually want it, so it's not worth the effort for them to put it in.

It's like going to Ford, and asking why the hell their cars don't support MiniDisc. (Which I personally love.)

That, and Ogg Vorbis NEEDS A NEW NAME BEFORE IT'S EVEN MARKETABLE!

Re:no vorbis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354583)

Oh come on - Vorbis on it's own sounds pretty cool.

What the hell is SB1394? (2)

red5 (51324) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354381)

Is it like (or compatible with) IEEE 1394?
AKA FireWire/iLINK.
Anyone else find it funny that the non apple version is called 'iLINK'?

Re:What the hell is SB1394? (1)

Kevinv (21462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354408)

firewire is apple's trademark and i believe if you call your device "firewire" you have to give them more money (more than just the royalty for the firewire patent, which apple also owns)

so everyone comes out with their own name.

Re:What the hell is SB1394? (1)

Fletch (6903) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354413)

sb1394 is IEEE1394. and, AFAIK, only sony refers to IEEE1394 as iLink.

Re:What the hell is SB1394? (1)

red5 (51324) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354438)

sb1394 is IEEE1394. and, AFAIK, only sony refers to IEEE1394 as iLink.

I thought so.
Do you think sony trademarked iLINK just to pissoff apple?

Re:What the hell is SB1394? (2)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354600)

no, sony's i.Link is a little different -- the cable doesn't carry any power (allowing for a smaller plug on the external device) so an i.Link device is 1394 but needs a different cable and external power.

Re:What the hell is SB1394? (2)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354419)

FireWire is a trademark of Apple, iLink is a trademark of Sony; they both describe the same thing... So, pick one, pay them, and then use the name... Or go with IEEE1394. I'm guessing SB1394 is Creative's own little take on it..SB..SoundBlaster? Creative? Sigh...

Re:What the hell is SB1394? (1)

jimmcq (88033) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354445)

Anyone else find it funny that the non apple version is called 'iLINK'?

The only people that call it iLink [sony.com] are Sony.

Firewire [apple.com] is mostly an Apple term, although it doesn't seem to be exclusive to them.

SB1394 just means that it passed Creative's "comprehensive SB1394 Certification evaluation" (which is just marketing-speak for saying that it works with the ports on their SoundBlaster cards).

Re:What the hell is SB1394? (1)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354469)

Also, sonys iLink is not firewire because iLink has no power integrated. Firewire provides power to the device, Sony does not.

Total cost to Canadians... (4, Interesting)

neksys (87486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354386)

Lets see.... $21 per gigabyte, if this tariff passes. $21 * 20 = $420 + retail. Somehow I doubt Canadian consumers are going to be shelling out around $1000 for something like this. How long before companies like Creative step in to try to put a stop to our new proposed levies?

Re:Total cost to Canadians... (0, Flamebait)

porkface (562081) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354455)

Try voting ya hoser!

Re:Total cost to Canadians... (1)

neksys (87486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354484)

Voting on what? It's not an issue that will be brought to a national referendum or anything like that. It's strictly a bill proposed in the House of Commons that will eventually work its way to royal assent, where it then becomes law. The best we can do as private individuals is try to get our Members of Parliament to vote *against* the bill - unlikely, given that a vote against your own party is more often than not a great way to spend the rest of your career as a backbencher.

Re:Total cost to Canadians... (2)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354505)

Yup, you have to love our concept of 'social democracy;' get voted in on a specific platform, then do whatever your party head tells you, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FUCKING VOTERS TELL YOU TO DO. At least in America, you can BUY votes...

Re:Total cost to Canadians... (2)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354561)

dont be an idoit, it has nothing to do with Canadian Social Democracy vs. American Plutocracy; it is corruption plain and simple.

Dont like it? See my .sig -- that will make ruling parites accountable...

BTW: if you live in Windsor, ON: Caboto club @ 19:00 all candidates for the by-election.

Im OTW now, only stopped to reply to this Torontonian.

Re:Total cost to Canadians... (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354603)

I just have a fundamental problem with our gov't system. An elected official must vote along party lines, even if each and every one of his constituants wants said offical to vote a different way. Otherwise, the Party Whip will come get you! I don't know what to call what we have, but it certainly isn't democracy. Other than a referendum, I have aboslutely no say in the operation of my government, because my MP has an almost legal requirement to do what his party leader tells him to do. Other than, of course, a vote of concience, or a referendum. As far as I'm concerned, the technology exists to make referendums an easy and standard part of the process of passing a bill.

Re:Total cost to Canadians... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354578)

You should be able to find them on eBay, or maybe selling black market mp3 players in Canada is a good idea.

I wonder if the battery life is really that good (2)

Drakino (10965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354387)

I wonder if the battery life is really anywhere near 22 hours, and also if it is turned into a brick with two batteries.

Also, can it act as a normal hard drive?

I just wish the empeg group of SonicBlue would release a hard drive portable player. But with the Riot out, it dosen't look overly promising to have a linux hackable MP3 portable player anytime soon. The iPod is nice, but I doubt it will just get OGG support, dynamic compression, a web server, and other interesting features hacked into it. OGG support on the empeg-car will be so nice.

Re:I wonder if the battery life is really that goo (1)

Fletch (6903) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354528)

Also, can it act as a normal hard drive?

yes. it must not mount as a normal portable hard disk in windows, though. it comes with the "creative file manager" app for transferring non-music files to/from the device.

there's one bullet about this on the features page [nomadworld.com] ("Creative File Manager - Use the player as a portable storage device").

Re:I wonder if the battery life is really that goo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354556)

For integration with Windows Explorer, check out Notmad Explorer [redchairsoftware.com] .

www.nomadness.net (2, Informative)

Britano (183479) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354389)

The source for all Creative Labs news, and not paid for by CL! www.nomadness.net [nomadness.net]

Alternative third-party software for the Jukebox (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354390)

A lot of people who have used the original Nomad Jukebox do not like the software that comes with it called PlayCenter. An alternative that has become very popular in the Nomad community is Notmad Explorer [redchairsoftware.com] .

It provides full Windows Explorer integration, access to the Jukebox via a built-in webserver, and search and report generation features using a built-in SQL database.

There's a free trial version [redchairsoftware.com] . Notmad Explorer is also mentioned in the first full review of the Jukebox3 at TBREAK.com [tbreak.com] .

8,000 songs (1, Redundant)

blugecko (152079) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354397)

I wish they would say how many Megabytes this thing holds, not how many songs. I am assuming they are assuming that the average mp3 file is something like 4megs, who knows. My average song size is something like 60megs, since I listen to a ton of live electronic music. I guess it's a step up from library of congress or (gasp) that stupid story that measured things in terms of the human genome....

Re:8,000 songs (2, Informative)

Fletch (6903) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354432)

from the specs page [nomadworld.com] :

Memory
16MB DRAM buffer
20GB hard drive storage (333 hours at 128kbps MP3 encoding)

Re:8,000 songs (2, Funny)

greenius (300851) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354599)

It holds enough megabytes that if a football pitch sized colony of ants were to hold one bit per ant and stood on top of each other it would reach to the moon in more time than Concorde could fly between London and New York if all the passengers were listening to inferior MP3 players during take off and landing.

First Offtopic Post with +1 Bonus (-1, Offtopic)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354399)

Yeah that's right bitch. Mod me down! MOD ME DOWN. I've got more karma where this one came from.

eh? (1)

AKA da JET (280057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354403)

"It seems that the long awaited Jukebox 3 is officially out." "Now when will this thing be available?"

OK, that confused me at first. (I thought 'out' meant it was 'available')

Re:eh? (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354483)

I think he meant to say "officially announced", not "released."

You'd think that a geek would know the product lifecycle...

Vaporware! (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354538)

Just like the 100s of Mozilla 1.0 announcements we see on slashdot

Ogg Vorbis player (1, Offtopic)

2Bits (167227) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354404)

Wake me up when there's a player for Ogg Vorbis.

I've converted most of my CDs to Ogg already,
and getting rid of the mp3 formats.

While we're at it, please make one for my car
too, will ya?

Still no Ogg Vorbis (2, Interesting)

bmw (115903) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354416)

According to their page it seems to only support WMA, MP3, and WAV formats.

I'm aware that Ogg Vorbis hasn't reached 1.0 yet, but still, you'd think they could include support for it pretty easily. Anyone know if you can upgrade the software on these things? Their site doesn't mention anything about it.

Re:Still no Ogg Vorbis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354560)

Pree easily. Yeah, I mean, all you have to do is integerize it. It's open source, why haven't YOU done it yet?

Look at the size of that thing (1)

Akito (222802) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354422)

Maybe its just me, but I like the tiny little iPod. Why oh why can't they make them smaller than cd players?

Re:Look at the size of that thing (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354595)

I'm guessing the HD the Nomad uses is a laptop drive - much larger than the matchbox sized Microdrives from IBM that are used by iPod.

Microdrives don't hold as much as laptop drives...is there even a 20GB microdrive? If there were, I'd guess it'd cost Creative over $500 per device, meaning the Nomad would cost close to $1500 MSRP. I may love music, but that's a bit steep for a dedicated portable device, no?

So it comes down to price vs. capacity. Want big drives, buy a Nomad or other device that uses a laptop drive. Want a small device? Buy an iPod.

Required equipment not included??? (2, Informative)

dw5000 (540339) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354440)

PC Minimum System Requirements:
Microsoft® Windows® 98 (Second Edition required for SB1394 transfer)/2000/Me/XP
Intel® Pentium II 233MHz or AMD K6®-2 266MHz (Pentium III450MHz or higher recommended for MP3 encoding)
SVGA graphics adapter (256 colors, 800x600)
Internet connection for Internet content downloading or CDDB® support (any charges incurred are the responsibility of the end user)
64MB RAM (128MB recommended)
USB or SB1394 port (found on Sound Blaster® Audigy(TM) series of audio cards)
30MB free hard disk space (more for audio content storage)
Installed Mouse
Sound Blaster® Audigy(TM), Extigy(TM) or Live! for EAX® enhanced MP3 encoding
CD-ROM drive with digital audio extraction support

end thieved content from NOMAD page

I have to buy a new SOUNDCARD to use this thing? I just got my 5.1 Platinum six months ago. I'm not sure a lot of people are going to be up for paying $100 for a new card just to be able to use "SB 1394."

I can get an 10GB iPod with XDrive for under $450. Yes, the storage site is only 10GB, but with true Firewire I can shift files on and off in minutes rather than the hours USB1 takes.

Come on Creative, give us REAL Firewire support!

Re:Required equipment not included??? (1)

MalcalypseTheYounger (398517) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354477)

Only if you want the EAX encoding. No clue as to what that adds, sound-wise, but I don't think creative is stupid enough to try to force you to buy a card to go with that expensive mp3 player.

However adding functionality to said player with certain cards means at least a couple power users are destined to plunk down a bit of extra change for one.

Re:Required equipment not included??? (3, Informative)

Fletch (6903) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354481)

it is real IEEE1394. it's just passed their audigy firewire port compatibility tests, so it's called sb1394.

it should work with any other IEEE1394 card you might have.

Re:Required equipment not included??? (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354503)

Well, of course Creative would love it if you bought an Audigy...but that shouldn't be required.

If nothing else, this thing also says it has a USB interface, and 1394 is 1394 - no matter what marketting name is applied to it.

Re:Required equipment not included??? (2, Informative)

Shabazz (29233) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354609)

dude, sb1394 is real firewire, except it can't power devices. So this thing'll hook up to any workin 1394 connection you may have. Just don't plan on recharging devices with sb1394.

Wow, the Creative marketing dept passed math (2, Informative)

Longing (23218) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354449)

20GB storage space holds up to 8000 songs encoded in WMA at 80kbps or 5000 MP3s encoded at 128kbps

ika:/home/derek> bc
8000*80
640000
5000*128
640000

Derek

Does it play oggs? (1, Offtopic)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354460)

Almost my entire music collection is in oggs now.

Time Scaling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354479)

Well, I wouldn't be all that interested by this story except for that mention of time scaling.

I have been using my mp3 players of late (I have a d-link 32 meg thing and a Rio Volt) to listen to Project Gutenberg [promo.net] etexts converted to mp3 with TextAloud MP3 [nextup.com] using AT&T Natural Voices speech engine [att.com] . (You can hear a sample here [att.com] .

Anyway, with time scaling, I'm guessing I'll be able to choose how fast to listen to my texts. That's exciting because your ability to listen to these things at high speed increases the more you listen. (As blind people can listen to audio books at surprisingly high speed, you will find your ability to listen increases as your practice increases.)

So, this seemingly minor feature could actually revolutionize the way you take in media.

Yet Another Non-Ogg Player (1)

Streyeder (569869) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354482)

When will people learn that WMA and MP3 support isn't enough anymore? Really, how much more would it take to decode Ogg or, even better, allow for writing to the device. Just my -$0.02

Re:Yet Another Non-Ogg Player (2)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354627)

When will people learn that WMA and MP3 support isn't enough anymore?

but it is enough. there may be .001% of the music population that even knows what Ogg Vorbis is, but most folks buying this stuff only know MP3.

I suspect most people wind up with windows media files more by accident (because the media encoder does them by default) than because they know anything about the format...

Buy a bunch (1)

cdf12345 (412812) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354493)

I'm buying a bunch then going to sell them to canadians to avoid their tariff on blank media.

$Ch-ching$

In other news..... (1)

beta21 (88000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354494)

AC reports that you could look more like a geek with new Apple cupholders that display the temperature of your liquid (using a cut down AMD chip), only $9.99.

No wireless remote I could find (1)

JTMON (313481) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354513)

Wired only and costs extra.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354515)

Not an iPod killer? Have you kept track of what features the iPod _actually_ has, or are you still stoned on the idea that apple made an mp3 player?

Compare...hd based MP3 players (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354531)

Here is an online chart to compare these types of devices - when/if this new Nomad goes on sale, it will be included. [kentidwell.com]

So, to sum it up vs. the iPod.... (5, Insightful)

jht (5006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354535)

Reasons the iPod rules over the Nomad:

-iPod is way smaller.
-iPod software (iTunes) rocks.
-The iPod is a pretty rugged little box.
-Proven to be extensible.
-Works as a standard IEEE 1394 external disk.

Reasons the Nomad rules over the iPod:

-Holds 20Gb of MP3 data (as opposed to iPod's 5 or 10GB).
-You can add a second battery and double the life to 22 hours. The iPod only is good for 10 or so.
-Safe assumption - the Nomad works better with Windows, no 3rd party software needed. No Linux drivers for either.
-Both USB _and_ 1394 on board. Hopefully the port isn't some kind of funky "almost-standard" version.

Reasons the Nomad may kind of suck anyways:

-Size. Why make it look like a CD player if it relies on a hard drive?
-Ruggedness - every Nomad I've seen yet has been kind of flimsy. Until proven otherwise, I'll assume this one is, too.
- It uses a Sound Blaster for "enhanced MP3 encoding". Requiring an add-on product for best results is lame. Though I guess to some a Mac is an add-on product for an iPod...

Pun intended? (4, Funny)

cygnus (17101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354629)

Requiring an add-on product for best results is lame.



yes, LAME is an add-on product that will produce the best mp3 results...

I'd still rather have an iPod... (1)

Link-chan (566296) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354622)

The iPod does so much more than any other MP3 player right now.

in reply to the ogg trolls (3, Interesting)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354625)

aparently the newest thing to bitch about when /. runs the latest story *cough* ad *cough* for any sort of mp3 player is "if it does'nt play ogg, i won't buy it!"

so? it is a mp3 player, not a ogg vorbis player. note the key word, mp3.

ogg is open source, which is nice. but not too many people use it, that don't read slashdot anyways.

get over it.

wait about 2 or 3 years, and they will come. when was napster really popular? 1999? how many portable mp3 players were available then that had more than 1 GB of storage?

Archos vs. Nomad (2)

nucal (561664) | more than 12 years ago | (#3354634)

One advantage of Archos Jukebox [archos.com] players is that they double as hard drives. In practical terms, what this means is that you transfer .mp3 and other files back and forth between the Archos Jukebox and other PCs. As far as I know, the Nomad units can only receive files from PCs - I guess as an "anti-piracy" measure.

Mac version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3354639)

So, is there a Mac version of the software yet? :-)
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