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IBM Bails Out of the Hard Drive Market

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the spinning-down dept.

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DJ STORM writes: "IBM has decided to exit the hard drive market citing the market has become too competitive.They plan to sell 70% of the their HD business to Hitachi. The new company name is unknown. One has to wonder if this has anything to do with IBM's troubled Deskstar GXP series." IBM will still have part ownership of the resulting venture, but it sounds like no more Deskstars. Update: 04/17 16:33 GMT by T : You may also find interesting some older posts about IBM's work on increasing hard drive storage (1, 2, 3); hopefully, the new company will continue that R&D effort.

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Re:w00t! (-1, Offtopic)

bellings (137948) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358997)

God damn you stupid motherfuckers... could you please fix this?

Or don't the people who read the site using the most popular browswer on the most popular operating system matter to you?

Re:w00t! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359066)

SCREW THE MSIE WINDOW USERS! I don't give a rat's ass about "POPULAR"; I care about "GOOD".

Re:w00t! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359180)

and MSIE is the BEST. It's BETTER than GOOD. SO screw all of you.

Re:w00t! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359111)

Write to MS and have them fix your stupid browser, you stinking LEMMING.

Re:w00t! (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359100)


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Propz to all ACs (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358985)

Homo says "w00t!"

A Question for Mister Trollercoaster (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359061)

Trollercoaster could you explain, in 50 words or less what the suckiest thing about Linux is? I know its hard to choose just one, but I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter.

Re:A Question for Mister Trollercoaster (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359080)


Easy. The suckiest thing about linux is the people who use it. Filthy, nasty commies.

Big Blue... (-1, Offtopic)

nubbie (454788) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358925)

I guess they are shifting focus to there AS/400 support?

Re:Big Blue... (-1, Offtopic)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359108)

That wasn't offtopic, that was funny!

FIRE (-1, Troll)

Sir Beavis (572421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358928)

Heheheheheheheheheh that was pretty cool
yeah firefirefirefirefirefirefire!

Re:FIRE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358970)

Uh, like... Shut up asswipe. Don't make me come over there and kick your ass, or something...

Uh... Huh huh... Yeah.

Re:FIRE (-1, Troll)

Sir Beavis (572421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359009)

Shutup bunghole! Are you threatening me? I am the Great Cornholio! I am from Lake Titicaca! You will give me tp for my bunghole! My people, they are without holio

"Leaving" the market (5, Insightful)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358930)

will this be anything like the numerous times IBM has decided to get out of the desktop PC market?

GOOD!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358932)

IBM's suck and shout out to asciipr0n on dalnet.

Re:GOOD!!! (-1)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359118)

DalNet is easily the lamest IRC network in existance. Except for TrollNet because I can't remember the fucking IP address.

Notebood Hard drives (3, Interesting)

robkill (259732) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358934)

I'd be interesed in seeing the effect this has on the price of notebook hard drives, since IBM's Travelstar series has a large share of the market.

Re:Notebood Hard drives (3, Interesting)

Innominate Recreant (557409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359124)

If the demand remains constant, *someone* -- either Hitachi, if they buy that product from IBM, or someone else -- will supply.

At first, there may be spike in the prices, but market forces will adjust that. The hard drive market, as the story said, is very competitive. And where there is competition (unlike the desktop OS market), market forces generally work well.

Bugger (3, Insightful)

Izeickl (529058) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358935)

Ive actually had zero problems with all my IBM drives, got about 500 gigs worth kicking about and not had a problem in 4 years. Always found their price to size ratio pretty nice. Oh well change as good as a rest.

deskstar? I doubt it (5, Insightful)

parc (25467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358936)

I very seriously doubt the deskstar caused IBM to give up. It was one version of a single product in a long line of products they produced.

Think about it. Prices are $1.4/GB, and people still complain about the price. At what point do you say "we're making...$.50 per drive we sell. Let's give up." ?

Re:deskstar? I doubt it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358993)

Their products were shit and have been for a long time. I'm glad to see them gone.

Re:deskstar? I doubt it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359137)

How is this offtopic? Their IDE drives have a KNOWN BAD MANUFACTURING PROCESS. We've had multiple Slashdot articles on them! My god, fucking moderators, I can't wait to see you assholes in metamoderation.

Re:deskstar? I doubt it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359166)

I modded you down, please send all your complains to karmelem@hispavista.com [mailto]

Re:deskstar? I doubt it (2)

Gryffin (86893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359148)

I very seriously doubt the deskstar caused IBM to give up... At what point do you say "we're making...$.50 per drive we sell. Let's give up." ?

If, as you say, they were only making $0.50 per drive, that's an awful narrow profit margin. It doesn't take too many returns to wipe that slim profit out completely.

I think the DeathStar debacle had a *lot* to do with this development.


This is A Shock. (2)

BiggestPOS (139071) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358937)

Until all this recent shenanigans with the Deathstars, I thought IBM made "some of the best drives" now, I've sold my GXP, and bought Western Digitals..... 120 gig, 7,200 RPM, and 8 megs of cache, I love my new "media" drive.

Is it April 1sr again (0)

shine (1502) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358939)

IBM invented the Winchester drive. This is kind of like GM not making the Oldsmobile anymore.

Such as shame, despite how much the Deskstar sucked. I got one, I know.

~S

They were the real competitors (5, Insightful)

Brento (26177) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358941)

IBM has decided to exit the hard drive market citing the market has become too competitive.

Too competitive? They were the ones introducing all the cool features. They were the first ones out with quiet IDE drives, the first ones with adjustable noise levels, the first with the "pixie dust" stuff with awesome platter density, the first big (60+ gig) laptop drives. I can't think of another hard drive company that was nearly as competitive as IBM was, and for them to say the market is too competitive, that really tells you something.

Re:They were the real competitors (4, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358965)

they might have come up w/the cool technology but they were selling it at rates that just could not compete w/the other vendors.

It was like their PC lines. They were always $500 - $1000 more than anyone else. Who the hell would want to pay that?

I have an IBM Microdrive and I love it. But I wouldn't want to pay extra money for a regular HD when I could get something comparable for a shitload less.

Re:They were the real competitors (3, Informative)

Brento (26177) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359010)

It was like their PC lines. They were always $500 - $1000 more than anyone else. Who the hell would want to pay that?

I'm typing this from my Thinkpad, with a 32gb drive in it that spins so quietly I can't hear. They've got my vote, to say the least. But to be fair, I went to CDW's hard drive section to check prices. IBM's 60gb Deskstar 7200 rpm IDE is $136 - exactly the same price as Maxtor's about five lines down. Sounds competitive to me.

Re:They were the real competitors (2)

the_rev_matt (239420) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359114)


OK, I have been hearing "You're paying way more for the name" with reference to IBM. I've owned several IBM computers and would say unequivocally that you are paying more for quality. One example: I bought a low end Aptiva pentium 200mmx about 4 years ago that has had at various times Win95, Win98, NT 4, BSD, and linux. Aside from adding memory and additional hard drives I have never had a single problem with it. It is currently the internal server for my home network (DNS/IMAP/SMTP/MP3) running linux and in the last two years has only ever been turned off for moving. I have freinds who bought computers at the same time (Dells, Compaqs, Gateways, etc) that didn't undergo nearly as much abuse as my Aptiva, and they were all replaced about 3 years ago.

You want quality, you pay for it. You want cheap, you get cheap. Which means lower grade parts, poor assembly, and generally lousy support. I wouldn't know about IBM support, however. In my years of using their laptops and desktops at several jobs I've never needed to use their support.

Re:They were the real competitors (2)

jonbrewer (11894) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359128)

"It was like their PC lines. They were always $500 - $1000 more than anyone else. Who the hell would want to pay that?"

I think you ought to look back at what they've been charging for PCs in the past three years. Each year they've had sub $1000 machines on the market. Granted they've lost money on them, but they have been price competitive, and not, as you say, $500-$1000 above everyone else.

Re:They were the real competitors (1)

sdflkgfljdqshgjkqsfg (129027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358979)

Yeah I thought that they were the trend setters. How many times have I read "IBM breaks its own record by creating bigger/better/faster/smaller" hard-drive. I had the impression that they were undetronable.
This does come as a surprise to me.

Re:They were the real competitors (5, Insightful)

swillden (191260) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359045)

Yeah I thought that they were the trend setters. How many times have I read "IBM breaks its own record by creating bigger/better/faster/smaller" hard-drive.

I suspect that their research in drive technology will continue, but that they'll make money by licensing the technology rather than building drives. It's actually a common IBM strategy; IIRC IBM receives over $1B per year in revenues from licenses of its research patents.

In true /. style I didn't bother to read the original article, but I also suspect they'll hang onto their laptop drive business, because it's a relatively high-margin business and because that's the area where their researchers have most thoroughly trounced the competition.

Note that while I am an IBM employee I have no direct knowledge of IBM's hard drive division (don't even know any of the engineers to collect scuttlebutt from). My relationship with IBM's hard drives is as a customer.

Re:They were the real competitors (3, Funny)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359129)

bigger/better/faster/smaller

If we edit out the "better/faster/" we get "bigger/smaller" hard drives. I do know what you mean, but I just think there must be a better way of saying, "My new IBM hard drive is bigger than my old drive. It is also smaller than my old drive."

Now if I could just get a faster/slower car.

Re:They were the real competitors (2)

Gill Bates (88647) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359106)

IBM has decided to exit the hard drive market citing the market has become too competitive.

Interpretation: At current market prices, we can't research/design/produce/sell them and make a profit.

Re:They were the real competitors (3, Interesting)

Derkec (463377) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359109)

IBM wants (perhaps more importantly their analysts want it to) to focus their energies on things that they can get a high margin for. Services, big servers, and software. Hard drives are a commodity and not a very lucrative business. Hitatchi is a major player in storage which might explain their desire to own some IBM tech. Anyway, hard drives didn't make a lot of profit, so they trim down thier operation to focus on the big bucks. It's a smart move.

Re:They were the real competitors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359127)

All my drives right now are IBM, including 2 travelstars, 2 9LZX's 10000 rpm drives, and 1 512mb CF microdrive. Man... their reliability can't be beaten. I have the 9LZXs since they first came out and never had any problems with them... sad day for all of us.

Re:They were the real competitors (1)

Gryffin (86893) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359182)

So what?

Innovation doesn't matter. Most drive are sold to OEMs, and all they really care about is price. If an OEM drive goes bad, the OEM pulls it and sends it back to the manufacturer, and the manuf. eats most of the loss.

That's the real danger of a commodity market: that price pressure makes innovation, and even quality, irrelevant.

Good! (-1, Flamebait)

ahfoo (223186) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358942)

Those bastards.
I bought one of those 20 Gig deskstars and the thing died in six months taking out all kinds of wavs that there was no way I could back up. Tech support told me to send it to a data recovery center for two grand. Assholes!

Backups (1)

hendridm (302246) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358988)

Does it really matter? Whether you had these WAV files on it at the 6 months mark or when it died 5 years down the line, would you been any less pissed? Trusting a single mechanical medium to store important, unrecoverable data sounds like a Murphey's law waiting to happen.

Something similar has happened to me, and although I was pissed as hell, I can only blame myself for not having backups.

Can't back it up? Ever heard of mirroring? There is always a way if it's that important, just not necessarily a cheap one. I know it sucks, but that's the nature of the game. You face trade-offs.

Re:Good! (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358998)

what the hell are you doing important irrecoverable work on a consumer level toy drive?

your fault for data loss... a 3 disk SCSI raid doesnt cost much at all and gives you the ability to lose a drive and NOT lose data. 5 drives is better for redundancy and failure recovery. Doing important work on anything other than SCSI in a raid is plain stupidity.

sorry about losing your origional recordings... next time be sure to use quality hardware...

Re:Good! (4, Informative)

yakfacts (201409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359041)

Welcome to the Real World!

ANY hard drive company will tell you that. I've been doing this for 20 years. I've had all the brands crash. From Micropolis (back when they were the Big Thing), Seagate, Shugart, Control-Data, Hitachi, Quantum, Maxtor ("old" and "new") and many
other companies that you have never heard of. Plus, dozens of Western "Plastic Stepper Arm" Digital drives.

IBM makes--or rather, made--some of the best drives out there. They invented much of the technology.

No way to back up? Try a tape drive. 1960s technology, works just fine. Or a a proper RAID. Or just buy another hard drive and copy them over by hand.

IDE drives are all crap. They are the cheap end of the line. You get what you pay for....

Re:Good! (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359090)

"I bought one of those 20 Gig deskstars and the thing died in six months taking out all kinds of wavs that there was no way I could back up. "

I say PHOOEY to you sir!
PHOOEY!

If you do important work, you had better be sure to have a back-up solution. There are many cheap solutions.

Re:Good! (2)

bluGill (862) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359102)

I yelled at my grandpa a couple years ago for storing critical, but recoverable data on his harddrive without backups. Now I get to yell at you for storing critical (your own words), unrecoverable information without backups.

Unfortunatly I can't use words like "idiot", "stuid", "reckless", and "asking for trouble"; without getting modded down (correctly) as flamebait. So just consider youself chasties with the above words and don't do it again.

Sometime I'm going to have to take my own advice and do backups...

Price reduction? (2, Interesting)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358943)

"Hard-disk drives, similar to other components for computers, have experienced sharply reduced demand and corresponding reductions in pricing."

Price reduction? This guy must be crazy... memory, for example, is costing many times more they were costing last december. Same goes for LCD monitors and HD...

Good Riddance... (2)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358945)

A friend of mine bought one of their drives. It was the only one he had that spun up REAL fast, then died immediately. The replacement for it worked of for 2 months, then decided it wanted all the other devices' IRQ numbers...caused conflicts. The drive after that seemed ok...4 months down the line, smoke started pouring out of it. I say "BAH" and good riddance.

Just my $.02

JoeLinux

Re:Good Riddance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359016)

Ok so you are talking out your ass...

no IDE drive on the planet even knows what an IRQ is let alone try and request any....

I'm betting your friend is an idiot, or was stupid enough to listen to your advice.

Re:Good Riddance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359021)

"The replacement for it worked of for 2 months, then decided it wanted all the other devices' IRQ numbers"

worth about $0.02 as well...

Since when do IDE devices use IRQs???
...Bunch O' FUD if you ask me

Re:Good Riddance... (2)

yakfacts (201409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359057)

The drive cannot "decide it wants the other IRQ numbers". That is a problem in your BIOS or OS.

I have purchased at least 40 IBM drives and been very happy with them.

Re:Good Riddance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359120)

No hard drive, including IBM hard drives can politely request, let alone demand an IRQ. That's up to the IDE controler, and has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with the drives' behavour.

Kinda hard to compete... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358946)

...when you have a pending class action lawsuit, people complaining about dead drives, and that whole "only use it for 333 hours a month" fiasco.

I don't know a geek who's bought an IBM drive since last July, and there's a reason for it...

WD (1, Offtopic)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358947)

I just bought a WD 7200 RM ATA-100 60GB drive yesterday for $89.99. That's money that Big Blue could of used to prop up their share price....

Re:WD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359186)

Does it bother you that your nice new Western Digital drive will be giving you the click of death in under 3 months? I would think people would've learned their lesson by now, it's not like IBM is the first (and for the record, WD will always be the biggest joke in my book).

Shitty drives (-1)

flaw1 (572429) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358948)

IBM used to make good drives but then they really let things slip with that line of 60GB-ers. Quantum made Fireballs, IBM took "fireball" literally.

Not quite out... (5, Funny)

zodar (141552) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358951)

Actually, IBM is going to stay in the hard drive market, but only for 330 hours per month.

manufacture vs. research (5, Interesting)

buzban (227721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358952)

what i don't think this article talks much about is whether or not IBM will continue to conduct the voluminous research it has traditionally done relative to data storage. IBM has patents on tons (a technical term) of HDD and related technologies; the company has a hand in many such products, even when their name isn't on the label.

personally, i hope they keep their labs working on the research end of data storage, because i'm not sure that there's anyone else to pick up the slack. if there isn't, the pace of "bigger capacity, faster, smaller footprint, more, more, more ..." just might slow down a little.

Re:manufacture vs. research (3, Interesting)

CynicTheHedgehog (261139) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359081)

Perhaps they are leaving the "hard disk" market to persue some other means of mass storage.

Re:manufacture vs. research (3, Interesting)

parker9 (60593) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359113)

being in this field (magnetic storage research) for over two years now, I might actually have something to say...

IBM has done some wonderful research- they were the first to demostrate 10Gb/in^2 (yeah, dumb units) a few years back w/ a new Read Head. at the time it widely accepted that such densities couldn't be realized. today's products are shipping at these densities.

personally, i think IBM made the right choice. historically, areal densities have been increasing by over 100% each year. the past year, it's been reduced to 60% and i would expect it won't get better. we're running into hard limits in convential recording.

i just hope the people at IBM (some of the best in the field) either stay w/ the new venture or at least stay in the field (w/ Maxtor or Seagate).

oh, please, avoid Western Digital. the horror stories those drives made me go through...

Mission accomplished (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358955)

Good shot, Luke! Oh, wait...Deskstar...never mind.

Wedge is a pussy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359030)

Wedge is a pussy
Wedge is a pussy
Wedge is a pussy
Wedge is a pussy

I WILL BREAK HIM WITH MY HAND !!

Unfortunate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358962)

Despite the Deskstar fiasco, this could be really unfortunate for the progress of harddrive technology. It's been my impression that most of the research & breakthroughs in the field recently have come from IBM.

They will be missed (3)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358963)

Their UltraWide3 Scsi drives and the Hotplug drives were top quality and actually ran a bit cooler than the Segate drives I have.(The cooler running is very important when you have 12 of them in a server rack case) I really liked their SCSI drives and really never touched their IDE products.

I hope the new company will continue to make enterprise and commercial class drives.

Competitive = the market was faster... (2, Funny)

alapalaya (561911) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358964)

...than IBM's harddrives!

Kudos to Big Blue (5, Insightful)

nesneros (214571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358966)

For following the "real" rules of capitalism, and bowing out when they can't compete. I've seen too many companies lately either using legislation (telcos, entertainment) or shady business practices (MS) to avoid competition, instead of re-structuring their business or leaving the market. All this does, in the long run, is stifle the economy and give capitalism a bad name.

Doh!!! (1)

huginOGmunin (258110) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358967)

Just bought a 80GB this weekend

Re:Doh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359085)

Considering what has been happening with IBM drives, you made the mistake.

Holographic drives (5, Interesting)

commonchaos (309500) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358969)

I really hope that this means they will be coming out with a holographic drive soon, I went to a science fair back in '99 (if memory serves) at the IBM Almaden Research Center. They demonstrated a table sized holographic drive to us - they played a IBM commercial off of it... I've been waiting ever since.

Re:Holographic drives (2)

brer_rabbit (195413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359149)

It's likely IBM will still do research in the field. I mean, come on, we're talking about IBM here, right? No company patents more crap annually than IBM. A likely scenario would be research continues and is licensed/sold to other companies.

The Register has also an article... (5, Informative)

u01000101 (574295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358971)

... about this, at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/24896.html [theregister.co.uk] which also details the preliminary agreement between IBM and Hitachi.

A possible cause... (3, Interesting)

ZiZ (564727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358972)

It seems to me that numerous times recently, purchasing IBM hard drives labelled as "new" from authorized IBM resellers, what is in fact received is often not new (for instance, with stale installations of Windows 2000, memos, and in one instance, porn) and - in fact - sometimes not even an IBM drive, but a similar case with a well-faked IBM label applied to the top. Every time complaints have been sent to the company, gotten the run-around, complained to IBM, gotten backup, and gotten a refund from the fradulent company - but this isn't a single, isolated event or merchant here...

Anyway, maybe that has something to do with the 'competetive' market.

FP? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358976)

FP I am eLEET!

Too competitive? (3, Interesting)

fiendo (217830) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358978)

IBM is unclear on the concept. When a market experiences a decrease in the number of suppliers, the market becomes less competitive.

I think what IBM meant to say is that they are less able or willing to compete.

FIRE!! (-1, Troll)

Sir Beavis (572421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3358981)

Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh that was pretty cool dilhole. Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah firefirefirefirefirefirefirefirefirefirefirefirefi refire!!!

There ARE firmware upgrades for the DeathStars (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3358992)

Just go to support.dell.com, select home or small business, pick any dimension or optiplex system. You'll get a search box in the upper left of the screen and search for the word "deskstar", two links for different series' of these drives will appear.

Who cares what brand name is on the drives ? (1)

sjhwilkes (202568) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359029)

I have several UltraStar SCSI and Travelstar 2.5" drives - only ever had problems with one and it was about 5 years old at the time.
Hard drives have become a commodity - there's not much money to be made actually making and selling them. IBM makes money on its many storage patents though, and I'd expect them to keep up their R&D in that arena advancing the state of the art for years to come.

Click Of Death (1)

terracon (70374) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359039)

Does that mean no more click of death on IBM hard drives? I have a 75GXP just starting to click, so I will RMA soon and don't forget there's that class action law suit on the IBM 75GXP http://www.sheller.com/ibmclassaction.htm

Corrections ... (5, Informative)

ProfMoriarty (518631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359051)

They plan to sell 70% of the their HD business to Hitachi.

Uhmmm .. this isn't exactly correct. From the article ...

Separately, IBM and Hitachi also said they plan to combine their various hard-disk drive operations into a new, stand-alone joint venture. Hitachi would own 70 percent of the joint venture and pay IBM for its hard drive assets, subject to the completion of negotiations, the companies said.

It would appear that the headline is more correct than the story, IBM is out, but own a 30% stake in the new company ... this is not the same as selling 70% to Hitachi ...

No longer selling, but does this mean no more r&am (0)

pstreck (558593) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359053)

So IBM is no longer selling harddrives, not to big of a deal. One company can't be the best at everything and IBM is learning that. The question at hand is IBM currently has over 90% of the hard disk patents out there will they continue there r&d into the latest disk storage technologies? Heck, IBM probably makes more money off there patents on harddrives then they ever did by selling them.

Market too competitive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359055)

No. IBM were just crap at making hard disks.

Smart move (2, Interesting)

zorba1 (149815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359056)

IBM has been innovating in the disk drive market for years, but it's important to note they've been innovating a sustaining technology. They haven't been as fleet-footed about leading the industry in alternative modes of storage, opting rather to make incremental improvements on a decades-old technology.

I think IBM has seen the industry getting undercut by small co's who are focusing away from the desktop/server market and onto other devices for their storage needs. Given these are still small (but emerging) markets, it's really tough for a company to wait & see what happens and THEN innovate on top.

I think IBM learned their lesson in this scenario from the disk drive wars circa 20 years ago, and they don't want to waste more investments of time and money into an ever-decreasing-margin business.

Microdrives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359065)

AACK! what happens to the cool little IBM microdrives I love so much?!

Too competitive once your premium rep is gone (3, Interesting)

Jay Carlson (28733) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359069)

For many years, IBM was the performance, feature, and credibility leader in the IDE market. I regularly paid significant price premiums for their drives, and wouldn't recommend any other drive brand for machines that I cared about working. Sometimes they got overtaken on capacity, but my view was that the extra 20% of drive space wasn't useful if the drive was slow or died after a year.

Then, IBM's reputation got hurt; you all know that story by now. Of course, this happened after most of the IDE machines I run ended up with IBM drives in them. :-( I'm no longer willing to pay $50-100 extra for that IBM brand name. In fact, I don't know if discounting the IBM drives would convince me to buy them at this point.

I just wish IBM had fixed their quality problems, and without looking like they were covering something up. The "you are only allowed 333 hours of uptime per month" hack didn't help them at all.

I'd like to go back to the days when I could say "buy IBM brand drives or lose". Now I don't know what to buy or recommend. This sucks.

Low Yields? (3, Informative)

Angleworm (174702) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359072)

One reason could be shocking manufacturing yields. The IBM manufacturing plant in Ireland has had terrible yield problems (even after the Telesto upgrade (aluminium to glass platters)).

I suspect their problems could be due to badly designed and inefficient processes. The drives may work but if there is too many failures from the cleanroom no amount of sales is going to make a profit.

I know this because I know 3 techs who used to work there!

my supplier predicted this 1 month ago (1)

unger (42254) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359079)

when i was talking to my supplier last month about switching to seagate drives because of all the trouble i'd been having with ibm, he said he wondered if ibm would exit the biz. espcially since they were exiting the desktop biz.

now i just have to return my 3 dead ibm drives while i still can.

Microdrive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359104)

Does this include thier Microdrive products as well?

A sad day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359122)

I remember when IBM drives were some of the best on the market. At the current time I have two 30gb IBM 75gxp, and two 75gb ibm 75gxp, and two 18gb IBM drives.... They were great drives, hell, they are still in use... I have had them for a good long time.

RIP

And so the empire... (1, Funny)

Cryogenes (324121) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359123)

loses another death star.

What about SSA drives? (2)

medcalf (68293) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359125)

Since IBM is the major (only?) producer of SSA drives, such as are used in their ESS product, is the new joint venture going to produce these now, or will IBM retain that part of the drive manufacturing business?

It appears that this is a move by IBM and Hitachi to develop a coherent SAN alternative to EMC - and having used both IBM's and Hitachi's SAN products, this will put EMC in quite a bind.

Remember Micropolis? (2, Interesting)

saihung (19097) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359131)

They made the most absolute rock-solid hard drives as far as I'm concerned. I have a 14 year old ESDI drive that they made and it STILL works like a charm whenever I need to grab something off of it, but in the end it didn't save them. When things become commodities like ram and hard drives have, people simply won't pay extra for quality. Unfortunately for IBM, a rep for quality was the only thing that their hard drives had going for them before the whole Deskstar fiasco, and now there isn't even that. IBM cannot and SHOULD not compete in the commodity market, so this move makes perfect sense.

surprising (2)

Suppafly (179830) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359141)

I find this kinda surprising and somewhat disappointing since IBM has always been at the forefront of harddrive technology, designing the technology that many of the other manufactorers use. Still.. maybe the whole deathstar thing was a wakeup call showing that IBM has lost their game a little.

Merger, not sale! (5, Informative)

rkgmd (538603) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359143)

IBM and Hitachi are *merging* [marketwatch.com] their disk business so that IBM gets a 30% stake (and Hitachi, 70%). The story's comment "They plan to sell 70% of the their HD business to Hitachi." seems incorrect to me; IBM is simply estimating that its current disk business is worth 30% of the joint disk business. Also, note that Hitachi has a very strong storage systems business HDS [hds.com] (right behind EMC) that is very profitable (also resold by SUN as Storedge9900 [sun.com] series datacenter/enterprise storage products, I believe), so big blue may have merged their disk business with a view to ensuring future profitability in the overall storage space.

microdrive? (2, Interesting)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359147)

i can imagine hitachi is "buying" the HD "company" primarily for the microdrive tech, and to licence out the "pixie dust". the deskstar is no more. Glad i bought my WD1000BB when i did :)

so is IBM or hitachi going to keep good on their warranties for the umpteen billion deskstar drives on the market still under warranty?

why didn't WD or Maxtor buy this HD company spinoff? i'm sure IBM's hard drive tech research division is more than worth the money...

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I always hated those deskstar HDDs anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359163)

Those damn drives practically took down the company due to down time, let alone any sleep on my part. I guess the real bummer is that IBM probably won't be replacing any of the new crap drives they've shipped out.

someone may have figured out GXP click of death (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3359171)

http://www.soliton.net/content/comp/ibm/

almost too simple to be true.

Viva Microdrives! (1)

kvn299 (472563) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359175)

I hope the new enterprise continues to market those cool microdrives. They are so small and have so much potential. They also seem to have been integrated into a great number of devices. Although I haven't looked much into it, I don't know of any other similar options.

Of course, with all the fun people have been having with I-Pods, maybe we already have a replacement!

And history passes (2)

zerOnIne (128186) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359179)

kinda sad to see IBM leaving the hard drive business, seeing as they invented the technology ... ibm came out with winchester drives way the heck ago (dates anyone?), and nary a drive today doesn't use this technology ... i've got two IBM deskstars in my system right now, a 13Gig and a 60 Gig ... the 60 started the "click of death" thing at one point, but after dealing with overheating / underpowering problems and marking those sectors as bad (there were only 2, adjacent, sectors affected), i haven't had any problems with it since ...

first PCs, now harddrives ... this is akin to ford no longer selling cars, or something ...

sad to see it go, but hopefully the new company can put out drives of the quality of the IBM of a few years ago ...

damn right (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3359184)

IBM hard drives kept crashing and id lose all my porn..that's bullshit man..I expect IBM to cover my lack of wanking emotional and physical anguish during the recovery time.

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