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Microsoft's Guide to Accepting Donated PCs

CmdrTaco posted about 12 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

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An anonymous reader links us to Microsoft's Guide to Accepting Donated Computers for Your School, which contains humorous statements such as "If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC. " It's just an amusing little read that basically amounts to keeping the license with the PC. Also neglects to mention the Naked PC discussed in this slashdot story.

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Yes, keep Windows on the boxes... (4, Funny)

tepeka (572431) | about 12 years ago | (#3365943)

...it'll be a good learning experience for the kids when they install a new OS...

What a crock (3, Insightful)

bobdylan (30598) | about 12 years ago | (#3365953)

MS is trying once again to takeover the minds of the children. Get them using only Windows in school and watch what they will ask for at home. It worked for Apple a long time ago, and now MS is trying to follow suit. In the words of an obscure tech, "Give me linux or give me an apple"

Re:What a crock (1)

Cornelius the Great (555189) | about 12 years ago | (#3366056)

This is the exact reason why computer science majors get free Microsoft software via MSDNAA. Basically, they're trying to get the next generation of software engineers hooked on their OS and tools - it's a good strategy. But I'm not complaining...I got Windows XP Pro and Visual Studio 6 legally without paying a dime.

I still dual boot with a section of my harddrive partitioned to Red Hat 7.2. Microsoft wont win me over, no matter what they give me.

Re:What a crock (2, Funny)

xZAQx (472674) | about 12 years ago | (#3366154)

Mr. Cornelius the Great,

No more free shit for you!

Sincerely,
Mr. Gates

Didn't work for Apple (2, Interesting)

mccrew (62494) | about 12 years ago | (#3366108)

Actually, it didn't work for Apple. They are still stuck in the education market, and that has not translated into any measurable difference in market penetration beyond their core graphics constituents.

This is Quite Ridiculous (3, Insightful)

as400as2 (560825) | about 12 years ago | (#3365956)

It is a legal requirement to keep the same OS? I'm not so sure....

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (1, Funny)

anonymous_wombat (532191) | about 12 years ago | (#3365965)

I am pretty sure. This means that anyone that installs Linux on a Windows machine (unless they make it a dual boot) is breaking the law.

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (1)

betis70 (525817) | about 12 years ago | (#3365984)

What if it has a different hard drive? And the original hard drive is sitting in a corner collecting MicroDust?

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366020)

I'm sorry, but the law states if you have Linux on your hard drive, you go to jail [bsa.org] .

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (2)

connorbd (151811) | about 12 years ago | (#3366014)

That is a pretty frightening idea. I would like someone who is NNAL (not not a lawyer) to look this one up.

That said, it does seem pretty smoke-and-mirrors. The sad part is that an awful lot of schools are going to go along with this just out of fear or ignorance...

/brian

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366080)

I think he was kidding:

(Score:2, Funny)

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (1)

Walterk (124748) | about 12 years ago | (#3366070)

Good thing I always buy my computers in parts and without any operating system previously installed.

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (5, Informative)

AngryAndDrunk (574308) | about 12 years ago | (#3365996)

No, but the licence agreement with the copy of Windows that was installed on the PC almost certainly specifies that it can only be used with that PC.

What MS is saying is that it is illegal to buy a PC with, say, Windows 2000 pre-installed, then later give the PC away but keep the copy of Windows 2000. That would be in violation of the terms of the licence.

Now, personally I feel that that's a crock, but that's a discussion for another thread...

er.. Upgrades... (2, Interesting)

burts_here (529713) | about 12 years ago | (#3366169)

what happens when you have replaced every single component in a pc, but you did it gradually, does the OEM licence not count anymore then??

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (5, Informative)

donpardo (128815) | about 12 years ago | (#3366177)

What MS is saying is that it is illegal to buy a PC with, say, Windows 2000 pre-installed, then later give the PC away but keep the copy of Windows 2000.

No. That is not what they are saying. They are saying that you must include the OS that was originally installed on the machine, per this statement on the page: make sure that the hardware donation includes the original operating system software.... it is a legal requirement.

This is a gross overstatement and misleading. If there is a legal burden when selling a computer, it applies to the seller, not the buyer. The buyer has NO idea what was originally on the computer and cannot be expected to know. The buyer never saw the original agreement, let alone clicked on the Accept button. In addition, if the original OS is Linux, BSD or other Free OS, there is no such agreement.

You can read your own motives into this.

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (2, Insightful)

Vanders (110092) | about 12 years ago | (#3366027)

Yeah, seems like a bit of a scare tactic. I'm guessing, but I think the general idea (From Microsofts paranoid point of view), is that if you have not recieved the OEM copy of Windows that came with the PC, then the person who has donated the PC must automatically be using that copy of Windows on another PC, thus violating the EULA.

Its still a pretty big leap of logic from that to "You must only accept a PC that has the OEM copy of Windows with it" though.

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (1)

Porag_Spliffing (66509) | about 12 years ago | (#3366052)

Actually its all there in the EULA along with your first born to his Billness.

After M$ finish lobbying it will be a legal requirement too

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (4, Informative)

edrugtrader (442064) | about 12 years ago | (#3366058)

they are not requiring them to KEEP the OS, they are requiring that if you have windows 95 installed on it, and you donate the machine, you are donating your copy of windows 95 and can't use it anymore.

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (2)

startled (144833) | about 12 years ago | (#3366137)

Q. Why should a donor include the operating system with their PC donation?

A. It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine. If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC.


Actually, they do tell a little fib. You can throw away the pre-installed OS, and not give it to anyone.

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (1)

B1 (86803) | about 12 years ago | (#3366090)

Keeping the operating system with the PC is not just a great benefit - it is a legal requirement.

I'm not sure where this 'legal requirement' is spelled out, but I would read this to mean that the OS need only be included with the machine--not necessarily pre-installed.

IANAL though :)

Re:This is Quite Ridiculous (1)

Big Ryan (11871) | about 12 years ago | (#3366130)

Agreed. I would say that Microsoft is off it's rocker by claiming such a legal requirement. Sorry guys, but I would have to see the USC cite before believing such FUD.

AFAIK not (2)

sofar (317980) | about 12 years ago | (#3366167)


Remember, Licenses need to be accepted. Any change in ownership does not automatically mean the receivingparty accepts Microsofts terms. Forcing this to the receiving party can never be upheld in court since when the receiving party does not accept the license, there is no agreement between microsoft and the receiving party. It also means the receiving party cannot use the particular instance of the software of course.

Also, statements like this are on the edgde of criminality. Since Microsoft's website upholds a certain level of authority, customers are thus officially receiving adivisories by microsoft. Where I live, this sort of advice (which is untrue in my country, and unclear at least), statements like these are misleading, which is an offense under the court that governs the laws here.

In other words, I could sue MS for publishing this advice.

I just find it funny... (4, Interesting)

Chicane-UK (455253) | about 12 years ago | (#3365961)

The way that Microsoft try and put such friendly spin on the areas that they are desperate to control.. when really it has pretty serious undertones.

They make it sound all smiley like "And remeber kids.. that PC used to come with Windows, so you have to put Windows back on!" - but really its like "You WILL have Windows on that PC. If you fail to comply, Microsoft will submit you to an audit of all your installed products & licenses!"

Kinda like the teacher in school who you always thought was a witch.. and if you didnt do your homework, she really would turn you into a toad or somthing :)

Re:I just find it funny... (1)

dryueh (531302) | about 12 years ago | (#3366083)

The way that Microsoft try and put such friendly spin on the areas that they are desperate to control.. when really it has pretty serious undertones.

It's not their fault......after all [tomshardware.com] :

...The sad thing is that with Microsoft's recent anti-trust woes, company execs just don't have that same pep, and arrogance of the past. They've become almost too nice and friendly...

Microsoft is just another victim of cut-throat capitalism. Go easy ;)

Re:I just find it funny... (2, Informative)

edrugtrader (442064) | about 12 years ago | (#3366085)

i am going to respond to all of these posts to keep this from getting out of control...

they are not requiring you to keep MS OS on the system... but IF you have ANY OS on the system, you are DONATING THE COPY OF THE OS AS WELL... donate your old workstation with win 2000? well, you can't use that copy of win 2000 anymore, you donated it.

What about HPs? (3, Insightful)

dryueh (531302) | about 12 years ago | (#3365966)

If you feel it is in the best interest of your school to accept the donated PCs, make sure that the hardware donation includes the original operating system software.

Wasn't there a slashdot story a while back (I think it was here) about how HP now doesn't not ship OS software along with new computers (which is true)? If your computer's OS crashes, you have to go through great lengths to actually obtain a physical copy of Windows XP (since, apparently, the system-restore application is all-powerful).

A bit self-defeating, perhaps.

Re:What about HPs? (-1)

October_30th (531777) | about 12 years ago | (#3365985)

What do you mean?

These days most laptops don't come with a physical copy of the operating system. Everything is stored on one of the disk partitions and you only get a crash recovery CD that copies the backup partition to the boot partition.

Re:What about HPs? (1)

Chicane-UK (455253) | about 12 years ago | (#3366011)

Yep, its very true. We recently bought a bunch of HP Omnibooks (XE3) and they only came with a pair of restore CD's - no copy of Windows XP in sight. Pretty bizarre considering that you are actually paying for the OS.

In contrast, the Apple Titanium Powerbook that we recently bought came not only with Restore CD's, but original install CD's for both MacOS 9 and MacOS X - perhaps PC vendors should learn somthing from this.

Choice is bad (3, Insightful)

ajs (35943) | about 12 years ago | (#3365971)

Quoth MS:
WHAT IS A NAKED PC?
Naked PCs are machines sold without operating systems preinstalled. Think of selling a house without a roof...selling your customers Naked PCs leaves them equally exposed.
Yep, I agree, but it's worse. Selling a naked PC is like selling someone lumber to build a house when you could lock them in to one choice of roof vendor by selling them a pre-assembled frame+roof!

Remember, kids: Microsoft doesn't hurt people. Choice hurts people.

;-)

wow? (1)

xarfel (250123) | about 12 years ago | (#3365973)

is it really illegal to buy a system, dump windows, install linux, then donate it? who is hurt here? ms got their money, noone is harmed? i am apparently waaaaaay more naive than i thought.

Re:wow? (1)

purplebear (229854) | about 12 years ago | (#3366026)

If you do not transfer the OEM copy of Windows that came with it, then that copy of Windows is now forever useless.
No, it is not illegal to do what you ask, but it is illegal to use that copy of Windows on a different system.

You know, some how some way FUD needs to be made illegal. But then wouldn't that cripple M$'s marketing machine?

Re:wow? (1)

Lussarn (105276) | about 12 years ago | (#3366172)

then that copy of Windows is now forever useless.

Yeah, like it wasn't useless before that.

Seriously though. What is so different about the OS and say the Soundcard. They are both part of the computer. Why can't I sell OS to someone? Maybe because it's useless.

WTF? (3)

fobbman (131816) | about 12 years ago | (#3365974)

"It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine. If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC."

What the hell sort of scare tactic is that? Last I checked when I purchased a computer I could install whatever I wanted to on it.

Re:WTF? (1)

edrugtrader (442064) | about 12 years ago | (#3366116)

YOU STILL CAN!

RTFA.

the article is simply saying that if you donate a computer with an OS on it, you are DONATING your license to that OS. the only evil M$ is doing is forcing you to either format or buy another copy of win 2000.

Oh yeah!! Keep Win in the Box!! (3, Informative)

blankmange (571591) | about 12 years ago | (#3365975)

I can understand their point -- that specific PC is licensed with that specific copy of Windows. How many schools will read this and treat it as gospel, however? Hopefully, not many. As a gov't agency, our PC's are completely wiped prior to donation -- it is our policy. Keeping Win in the box does teach kids how to reboot, though...

Re:Oh yeah!! Keep Win in the Box!! (2)

edrugtrader (442064) | about 12 years ago | (#3366143)

they are NOT forcing you to keep win on the box.

just that if you DO keep win on the box, you are donating your license to that copy.

(getting very frustrated...) RTFA.

Ha Ha! Another Laugh at Microsoft story! (-1, Flamebait)

Pave Low (566880) | about 12 years ago | (#3365976)

really, this was amusing 3 years ago when you were laughing at pointing at Microsoft, but eventually it just gets old and tired. surely you can find more constructive means for this site than endless mindless MS-bashfests.

FUD (4, Funny)

vrmlguy (120854) | about 12 years ago | (#3365977)

I especially like the bit where they say that schools should decline any computer that doesn't come with the original media.

"Hey, I want to donate this computer for the school's Beowulf cluster."

"Do you have the original disks that came with it?"

"Err, no."

"Sorry, I can't accept it."

Original media?! (1)

sulli (195030) | about 12 years ago | (#3366148)

Vast quantities of PCs are sold wither with bullshit "recovery disks" or no backup media AT ALL. In the Win95 days they actually asked you to supply 35 or so floppies to back up the copy of Win95 that was on the HD! So it makes zero sense to ask recipients to ask for original media.

Anyway, who cares? If the OS license is somehow wrong or expired, then wouldn't this be an opportunity for the linux horde to march in? I don't see why this is bad.

Upgraded OS? (2, Interesting)

B1 (86803) | about 12 years ago | (#3365980)

What if the machine had its original OS upgraded? For example, the original machine came with the OEM Win95, but then was upgraded to Win98? Can't you donate the Win98 license along with the machine and its original license?

Also, what if the machine is donated with a non-MS operating system, or for that matter, no operating system at all?

Re:Upgraded OS? (2)

hardaker (32597) | about 12 years ago | (#3366127)

I'm sorry, but you'll simply have to downgrade your OS before donating it. I'm going to go donate a machine today and remove windows and put back on the original DOS I guess. The schools will like that better, according to Microsoft.

Or maybe I'll go donate a machine and put OS/2 back on it instead of windows.

Disclaimer: the author doesn't actually have a machine that ever had DOS or OS/2 installed.

Alternative guide! (5, Interesting)

sofar (317980) | about 12 years ago | (#3365981)

We should write an alternative guide and provide these to schools!

Here's some ideas:

- You are under no obligation to accept any software, hardware or other parts provided.

- You may refuse any (software) licenses donated since you have not accepted them.

- You are free to reinstall any software to the machines provided that you aqcuire valid licenses for this software

- etc.

Re:Alternative guide! (1)

purplebear (229854) | about 12 years ago | (#3366094)

This is actually quite a good idea. Of course, the hard part would be getting it distributed out to schools and having them believe it since it did not come from the mouth of Redmond.

Slashdotting web.archive.org ? You dumb faggot. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3365991)

web.archive.org is an extremely slow server under normal circumstances. Thanks CmdrCockhole for ensuring it goes up in flames. Really, you're a fucking lamer.

Re:Slashdotting web.archive.org ? You dumb faggot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366073)

Better tell them to lube up, cause they are about to get an ass reaming.

yeah right... (1)

bashbrotha (41617) | about 12 years ago | (#3365998)

if it is a law to keep the operating system on the machine, why didn't microsoft mention it? How can anybody force somebody to keep the operating system on the machine? besides, most machines donated by sources (in my school, the military often donates) are formated or have the hard drives removed because of security reasons.

It's all about the upgrades, of course... (3, Funny)

dmorin (25609) | about 12 years ago | (#3365999)

Look at the last question on the list. Can I upgrade the OS on my donated PC? Why of course you can!

Where else have I heard the expression "First one's free?"

Not Likely (2)

Col. Panic (90528) | about 12 years ago | (#3366013)

Due to security concerns, my present company does not allow hard drives to have *anything* on them when donated, including the OS. They might even rip the h/d right out.

So I ask you - is this not still a computer? A license was purchased with that machine at one time and the OS is necessary for the machine to run. Why the hell can't the next tech slap on the same version?

Re:Not Likely (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366089)

The last company I worked for "blanked" the hard drives when they gave them away. It turned out the boot sector and possibly something else was erased. I hardly noticed as the directory information was found and mounted without any special effort on my part. It may have worked under Windows, but Linux found it with the mount command.

in some countries... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366015)

I it mandatory to ship an OS with a computer... but not the original... so... Linux/BSD (or anything like those) is the solution!

Workarounds (3, Interesting)

stoolpigeon (454276) | about 12 years ago | (#3366016)

If this 'must keep originally installed OS' were a law (and I cannot for the life of me imagine that it is) there would be plenty of workarounds.

One would only need to find out what constitutes the PC. Is it the processor, the case, the hard drive? Whatever it is - change that so that you no longer have the original PC. Then install whatever you want on it.

I'm sure there are many more ways around such a thing.

.

This cannot be true (2)

smagruder (207953) | about 12 years ago | (#3366029)

It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine. If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC.

This is one of the most outrageous, egregious things I've ever seen Microsoft spew out of its venomous corporate lips. Please tell me this is not true. If it is a legal requirement, then the law must be changed.

Re:This cannot be true (5, Funny)

Anonnymous Coward (557983) | about 12 years ago | (#3366081)

Of course it's outrageous and egregious! But then, taking legal advice about software licensing issues from Microsoft is like taking airline safety advice from Osama bin Laden.

Re:This cannot be true (2, Insightful)

Paul Neubauer (86753) | about 12 years ago | (#3366088)

I suspect what is meant is that the OS supplied with the machine is not meant to go anywhere but on that machine. As for force of law, that seems dubious. Why shouldn't anyone be able to move it to another machine, provided they remove it from the first?

What should be said, rather than what is said, "If you are going to put a commercially licensed OS on a computer, or are given a computer with a commercial OS, you must have a valid license for that instance of that OS." Of course, they didn't say that. They said something far sillier instead.

Beat me to it (2, Informative)

codefool (189025) | about 12 years ago | (#3366099)

I also found this statement hung in the air like a brick. It cannot be a legal requirement to include the "pre-installed" OS with the computer. Since, like a lot of people here, the first I do with a new box is wipe it and configure it the way I want it.

When donating a box, I would also wipe it beforehand, and make sure that all the OS materials (backup CD's, documentation, etc.) went with it. It's really up to the receiving institution to do something with it.

What this seems to suggest is that it's bound by law that you cannot modify a PC from its factory state.

Re:This cannot be true (1)

AngryAndDrunk (574308) | about 12 years ago | (#3366113)

It'll be in the licence agreement that accompanied the pre-installed copy of Windows. That's what they mean by "legal requirement" - the licence will say something to the effect that it can only be used on that PC, and no other.

Therefore, by disposing of the PC, but keeping the copy of Windows, you are technically in violation of the licence (you'd only actually be in violation if you then installed it on another machine, but if you weren't going to do that, you wouldn't have kept the copy of Windows, right?).

Re:This cannot be true (3, Insightful)

ahrenritter (187622) | about 12 years ago | (#3366173)

It is a subtle twisting of the truth. The law says that you should not violate the license agreement of the OS you are using. There are two ways the license agreement could easily be violated in the case of a donated PC.
1. The person who donated the PC kept the OS that was originally installed on it, and is still using that OS on a different machine.
This is a violation because OEM licenses specifically state that the OS is only licensed for the original computer it was installed on.
2. The person upgraded the OS on the donated PC, but did not give you all of the appropriate materials required to legally transfer the license of the new OS.
An example of this is: Person A buys a computer with Microsoft Windows® CEMeNT on it and later upgrades the computer to have Microsoft Windows® eXPlode. They then donate the computer to a school, but fail to include any of the documentation, CDs or licenses for either OS. At this point, the school is not legally allowed to use eXPlode, and Person A is not allowed to use CEMeNT and violated their eXPlode license agreement by distributing the OS to someone else.

Rather than giving you the blunt facts and letting you interpret the fact that as long as you have a legal license for whatever OS you decide to use on the PC (such as the GPL license of a Linux distro), Microsoft decided to twist the truth to make schools spend more money either buying new PCs (with Windows® installed) or buying new Windows® licenses for the donated PC.

Of course keep the OS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366030)

...why change from OS X ?

Is this legal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366031)

Of course.

You may have this mobile phone for free, if you buy this 24 month subscription.

So what did this 'Govt CIO' do for IBM ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366041)

Run around asking 'why market OS/2 ? Can't we just sell Windows ?'

Free PC? (0)

theblacksun (523754) | about 12 years ago | (#3366045)

I really can't see a school turning down any donated PCs. It mentions the cost of integrating it with the current hardware, but I'm sure they could find a use for any old computer as long as it's not that slow. Red tape like this depresses me.

Another One? (0, Insightful)

wazootyman (555696) | about 12 years ago | (#3366054)

I don't want to come off as totally pro-Microsoft, but this is getting ridiculous. So I'm gonna waste some more Karma (hah, like I have any left to waste!) REMEMBER GUYS - EVERYBODY AT MICROSOFT WANTS TO KILL YOUR DOG AND RAPE YOUR WIFE! THEY'RE THE "EVIL EMPIRE" AND THEY HATE YOU. I heard that somebody at Microsoft gave somebody a displeasing look! OMG! TIME FOR A SLASHDOT POST!

Software Worth More than Hardware (3, Funny)

yintercept (517362) | about 12 years ago | (#3366055)

This blurb from Microsoft is absurd, but in many cases the software on the machine is worth more than the hardware. Both the donor and the charity should be attentive to the value of the software. I assume you would get an extra tax break if you donate your unused software licenses with the computer. BTW: It is also good to take all of the pictures of nekkid ladies off the computer as well. You don't want your donation to be too educational.

No wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366061)

A. It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine.

AH! That explains why there's no "Install Linux Boot Partition" Wizard in WinXP...

I'm no lawyer, but.... (2)

Rahga (13479) | about 12 years ago | (#3366063)

quote:
If you feel it is in the best interest of your school to accept the donated PCs, make sure that the hardware donation includes the original operating system software. Keeping the operating system with the PC is not just a great benefit - it is a legal requirement.

Of course, in Microsoft's point-of-view, the only operating system for the PC is Windows, and cleaning the hard drive means you need to pirate a copy of Windows to bring it back to life.

BTW, Google has automatic spelling correction now. Rejected slashdot submission, go figure ;)

I liked the third and fourth questions... (5, Funny)

grunby (90338) | about 12 years ago | (#3366066)

Q. How does the PC owner transfer their license rights for the operating system?
A. The GPL can be found here [gnu.org] .

Q. What if the donor can't find the backup CDs, End-Use License Agreement, End-User manual and the Certificate of Authenticity? Can they still donate the PC and operating system?
A. It can be downloaded from here [kernel.org]

- [grunby]

Q: Do I have to use Geniune GM Parts? (2, Funny)

abernathy (165091) | about 12 years ago | (#3366068)

A: Keeping the original parts with the vehicle is not just a great benefit - it is a legal requirement. Use of non-GM parts (often referred to as "deadly aftermarket assault parts") or hiring non-GM-certified mechanics will not only void your warranty, but may result in prosecution, injury, or death.

If you think about using aftermarket assault parts, think again -- for the kids.

That's not all! (1)

Moneky-Boy (569762) | about 12 years ago | (#3366069)

Q. Can I upgrade the operating system on a donated machine?

A. Well of course you can silly. Since Windows will be the only OS that we will accept into our generous Education initiatives, we will give you special price just %10 cheaper then a home license. But even better than that, as stated above you might need to purchase some additional hardware to be compatible with you current network. Don't fear though we know the perfect place to get it.

And if that is not a deal after spending $400 on new equipment $200 on a new license we will give you at a small fee $100/hr, a Technician whom is fully qualified and just out of the MSCE education, whom will gladly train you and your staff AFTER you inspect all of the donated computers.

A quote (2, Funny)

techstar25 (556988) | about 12 years ago | (#3366075)

"Keeping the operating system with the PC is not just a great benefit - it is a legal requirement."

That sounds nice and all but they fail to describe the great benefits. If they did it would sound something like:
It will crash all the time.
It will be insecure and probably allow outsiders access to your network.
You will need to upgrade every X amount of years, just because we say so.
You will need to download patches every week, or else deal with viruses and trojans.

I like my PC's how I like my women - NAKED!

http://www.unf.edu/~rita0001/weblist/form.html (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366079)

go to http://www.unf.edu/~rita0001/weblist/form.html and type in some random horrible site like http://goatse.cx just make sure u include the http:// THANX!!!! DAMN THE MAN

Don't buy hard drives off eBay!! (1)

kingharrison (574393) | about 12 years ago | (#3366082)

If you get one that used to have windows on it, you have to reinstall windows back on it! No matter if you just use the drive for storage!

Pop Up Ads? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366086)

I know this is off-topic, but I need to know.

Is slashdot using pop-up ads now?

I had my browser parked on slashdot.org and when I came back to my computer I had 5 pop-up ads that I needed to close.

They're just begging for a parody... (2)

dcavanaugh (248349) | about 12 years ago | (#3366087)

Something that looks like the M$ page, except it would describe how easy it is to take the donated computers, ditch the OS, and install Linux.

I'm still laughing about www.wehavethewayin.com [wehavethewayin.com] , although it's only half as funny as the site it emulates www.wehavethewayout.com [wehavethewayout.com]

Same thing (5, Informative)

Psmylie (169236) | about 12 years ago | (#3366091)

Keeping the OS with the machine is the same thing as keeping those tags matresses. They are required to be on there if you are a company that sells matresses, but once an individual buys the matress, they can do whatever they like to the tag. It's their property at that point.
If they then give away or donate the matress, the lack of the tag really doesn't matter.
I'm really curious what law they are referring to when they saw "legal requirement". If they're going to say stuff like that, I'd like to see where it was written. Anyone can just say that something is "legally required". I can say it's "legally required" to mod all my posts up. That don't make it true, tho.

With regard to WinXP (4, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about 12 years ago | (#3366093)

This might be a bit offtopic, but while we're talking about Windows "licenses":

If I were to sell or donate my PC to someone else and that PC has XP installed (which I activated using my name), what must I do to dissociate my name from that activated copy/serial number?

Hah! Fat chance (5, Informative)

S Nichol (230334) | about 12 years ago | (#3366097)

I've done work for about half a dozen schools (junior highs and high schools) that have quite substantial commitments to computers in the classroom.

In my experience, whenever donated computers arrive, that's all that arrives. I've never seen a computer arrive with the documentation that probably accompanied it when it was purchased by the donating company. All you get is the computer and associated peripherals if you're lucky (often they forget to send mice).

At one school, they have about 120 donated PCs, and I think there is maybe half a dozen valid Windows licenses in the whole place. Of course, there are numerous burned copies too, which makes imaging these machines really easy (thank you Norton Ghost).

I find it rather surprising that some enterprising person/persons haven't started to produce an educational Linux distribution... just pile on a lot of idiot proofing ;-)

Licences... (1)

burts_here (529713) | about 12 years ago | (#3366104)

so if your school has x number NT licesnes and over the time they own the machines three get blown up, one has coffe spilt on it, and one has all the components nikced from it, its still illegal to reinstall a copy of NT back on a donated box.
What about if you completely upgrade a machine from one spec to another but keep the OEM licence that came with it, what does that mean?
confused and worried... mind you having worked as part time tech support in education, they dont care if they have licences.

Bill... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366105)

"If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC."
If a box were been donated without hard drive and then without OS, would MS give the school a Windows license free of charge? I seriously doubt.

I liked this one... (2)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | about 12 years ago | (#3366110)

From the archived NakedPC page:

"Acquire software from Authorized Microsoft OEM Product Distributors"

So, can I get Linux from my Authorized Microsoft OEM Product Distributor?

This says it all (1)

xZAQx (472674) | about 12 years ago | (#3366112)

Microsoft recommends that educational institutions only accept computer donations that are accompanied by proper operating system documentation. If the donor cannot provide this documentation, it is recommended that you decline the donated PC(s).

I would wise-crack about this, but there's no need to

8^)

MS OS can only be used/sell to a person (1)

GdoL (460833) | about 12 years ago | (#3366119)

When you buy a MS OS you are forbidden to pass it to others.
So when you give away you PC away how do you transger the OS license?

When in Doubt (2)

Alien54 (180860) | about 12 years ago | (#3366128)

Send Microsoft Money.

Your friendly sales person will tell you how much.

and remember, if you haven't been sending enough, penalties may apply.

So what? (1)

hij (552932) | about 12 years ago | (#3366129)

MS wants you to think that they are the only OS for a PC and that this is one of the good kinds of monopolies. Why would anybody be surprised at this? Many elementary and middle schools are mac based, and those that aren't are ms based. Linux doesn't have much of a hold here (yes there are exceptions).

All in all, this isn't bad advice. They are telling schools to cover their a$$. I don't like it, but I would make the same recomendations. I've tried to sell linux to folks, but they don't have the time nor know-how to make what they see is a huge change away from mac or windows.

My Experience With Linux... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366133)

We put Tux on the table, belly down. That probably wasn't so smart, but we figured if he tried to slide, we could just beat him over the head with the dildo. He was already beaten up pretty badly, but my buddy and I enjoyed the fight he put up. We weren't quite sure where to begin at first; it'd be a shame if the party was over too quick. We figured a bit of fondling was in order, you know, to get us worked up and get Tux's juices flowing. As I "grepped" his buttocks and groin, my friend caressed his face with the long, pink dildo. The penguin let out a few cries of discomfort, wanting obvioulsy to be set free. He knew what was in store for him. But at the moment of one of his bellows, my friend was able to stick the dildo in his beak! Tux was enraged and he began to twist and spasm, trying to get out of our grip. "Seems the little fucker's got his strength back!" To solve the problem, I hit him over the head a few times. Not too hard, of course. We wanted him to be conscious so he could enjoy the eXPerience to the max. Not wanting to risk the same thing with his own cock, my friend thrust and withdrew the dildo from Tux's mouth slowly. "If only we could get rid of that beak," he says. I thought it was an interesting idea, something to consider later.

I however, was about to start my own fun. Working up my penis to a nice, firm erection with some AstroGlide [astroglide.com] (which I had first learned about on that Linux/cyberterrorism web site "slashdot"), I slowly guided into the penguin's tight ass. Tux, still slightly conscious, let out a few half-hearted screams of pain, and twitched slightly. Once my penis was all the way inserted, I got up on Tux's back and grabbed his chest firmly. Without much ceremony, I began to bang the creature hard, like he was a Salvation Army drum. He appearantly loved it... or hated it. I couldn't tell. All I know is that the more he screamed, the harder I fucked. It didn't take me long to reach climax! I exploded deep in his ass with a gigantic load. The pressure was too much at this point and all around my penis, there was a gushing of cum, blood, and feces that flowed like a waterfall onto the floor. Tux was unconscious by this time, so were free to do whatever we wanted.

And that's when it really got crazy!

This makes me mad (5, Funny)

pubjames (468013) | about 12 years ago | (#3366138)

People, out of their good nature, give computers to schools to help educate children.

Microsoft lie to the schools to try to stop them accepting generous gifts that might make a tiny dent in their massive profits. This makes me so mad.

It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine. If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC.

Is this true? Even for Microsoft operating systems? They're saying it's illegal to remove an OS from a computer, any computer? F*ck*ng w**kers.

PC owners have to transfer their license rights to the operating system to your school along with the PC. They may do so as specified in their End-User License Agreement (received at the time of purchase) as part of a permanent sale or transfer of the PC.

Listen Microsoft. You've made it very difficult so that I, as a PC purchaser, can buy a new PC without buying a Microsoft OS. You know that. So, 99% of computers that are donated to schools are likely to have a legitimate, paid for, Microsoft OS on them. You bunch of complete t*ss*rs.

The following should be included with the donation of the PC.

Why? I'll tell you why! To make it difficult for people to donate PCs to schools, that's why. I ***king hate those money grabbing, selfish, **bhe*ds at Microsoft.

Microsoft recommends that educational institutions only accept computer donations that are accompanied by proper operating system documentation. If the donor cannot provide this documentation, it is recommended that you decline the donated PC(s).

Why? So Microsoft can profit at the expense of the education of our children? You absolute ****ing *i*si*ng i*i*tic bunch of *uc*ing a**eh*les! *an** *a*s*** of the *i*** *rd***! You ****p** **s** **e*s*s!!!

What would happen if you don't? (2)

xtremex (130532) | about 12 years ago | (#3366141)

Is microsoft making this part of their EULA? If I have an old PC that had Win95 installed 7 years ago, but since then has been replaced by Linux, and has served as my firewall and gateway for the past 5 years, what would happen if I donated this machine as is as the firewall for my local Leukemia Society? Can MS enforce this? Will they be reminding other organizations that there machines must have Windows on them? Will they not accept my donation unless it has windows?

What I understand by reading this (1)

Machuidel (224096) | about 12 years ago | (#3366142)

It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine. If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC.


What I understand by reading this, is when donating a PC
currently running Linux I previously bought with Windows
pre-installed I'm violating the law (at least the American
law). Correct me if I'm wrong?

Legal requirement, eh? (2)

tswinzig (210999) | about 12 years ago | (#3366144)

It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine.

So anyone that has bought a machine from an OEM and wipes the drive is breaking the law?

Bitch, bitch ,bitch (1, Funny)

kalislashdot (229144) | about 12 years ago | (#3366147)

All you people ever do is bitch.

Microsoft is talking about wintel computers. For example if I donate a Dell to a school, 99.9% of the time I bought it with Windows preinstalled, and this lets them know that it should come with an OS.

So the 00.1% that came preinstalled with another OS, they are not concerned about this because it is such a low number. Also why would anyone donate a home-built machine since you can always swap out parts and keep it alive forever.

Don't you guys get it, EVERYONE uses Windows. Get over it. Microsoft sucks, I totally agree and I always fight my spyware XP with a firewall, but moving to Linux as my Desktop OS will never happen. Trust me, I have tried many times, but it is not worth the pain and suffering. MacOS X is the only usable unix based desktop solution, and I hate Apple too.

I think they should use Windows in schools since that is what 99.9% of the kids will use at home and a a job later in life. Plus there is a lot of educational software avaialbe. Iam glad they are gettign away from Kacs in School, since they most likely will never use them later in life.

Go ahead, flame away.

Riddle me this (2)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | about 12 years ago | (#3366157)

Given: "It is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with a machine for the life of the machine. If a company or individual donates a machine to your school, it must be donated with the operating system that was installed on the PC."

At what point in the nearly constant component part upgrade cycle my machines go thru, does the original machine cease to be? I have boxes that have only the case as the only remaining part of the original unit, and I have a (mostly) Dell thats in a generic case.

What constitutes a PC?

GNU "Guide" (1)

WetCat (558132) | about 12 years ago | (#3366161)

It will be very wise if EFF will issue its own version of guide and try to distribute it to schools as wide as possible...

Typical FUD (even baldfaced lies) (5, Insightful)

CaptainPhong (83963) | about 12 years ago | (#3366163)

Some of the statements are factually wrong (unless you live in a Microsoft world where there is no such thing as a free operating system). Others are wrong even in the Microsoft world!

If I build my own PC and install Windows on it, I can give it to someone else and keep the copy of Windows as long as I remove it from the PC. This article implies that it is illegal for me to keep my copy of Windows if even if I give away the PC without it. If I install Linux, I can keep my copy and give away the PC with the OS still installed. Their statement is only true for pre-installed Windows (i.e. Dell installed it) where the license is tied to the particular PC.

All copies of the software on original disk or CD, including back-up and/or recovery materials
Manuals and printed materials
End-User License Agreement
Certificate(s) of Authenticity

This is misleading, and encourages institutions to only accept computers where these items all exist (i.e. MS operating systems). Such is not necessarily the case if, say for example, I installed Linux over the Internet.

Yes, once the machine and installed operating system is transferred to your school or institution you own the PC and the licensed software. You can upgrade via Microsoft Academic Licensing Programs...

Oddly, they neglect to mention that this also only applies to Microsoft software. What if the donated computer is a Mac?

These sorts of things are like Halloween documents that MS makes public INTENTIONALLY! You'd think they'd raise some eyebrows at the DOJ.

I've got your naked PC here!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#3366171)

NAKED PC [archive.org]
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