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Wireless, GPS-Loaded 'Bait Car' Traps Thieves

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the they-take-it-back-to-their-nests dept.

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captainClassLoader writes: "The Washington Post is reporting that a late-model car, loaded with wireless surveillance gear, a remote kill switch and GPS, is being left (unlocked, presumably) on the streets of the Washington, D.C. metro area as 'bait' for car thieves. This article reports that they've just made their first bust with the vehicle."

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M$ is the worst! (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366432)

There. I bashed M$. MOD ME UP!

I got moderated right here!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366484)

MODERATION [archive.org]

Re:I got moderated right here!!!!! (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366626)

your helpful web portal seems to be slashdotted, or something. (must be running m$ software! yeah!) could you post an ascii representation of your content?

Thanks in advance.

Re:M$ is the worst! (-1)

Yr0 (224662) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366511)

you even used the dollar sign.
i'd give you +5, informative

vroooom vrooom vroooom bwaaaaaaaaaap vrooom

Slashdot (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366434)

baited me into thinking I could get a first post.

Re:Slashdot (-1)

Yr0 (224662) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366568)

turned me into a newt.

hi (-1)

CofWheat (464490) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366437)

firdt

Things To Do Today (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366611)

1. Shake it to the left

2. Shake it to the right

I've got your bait right here!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366450)

BAIT [archive.org]

I wonder.... (5, Funny)

the_radix (454343) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366451)

Who pays the parking tickets on these?

GPS: "Help! I'm being towed!"

Re:I wonder.... (0, Offtopic)

rirugrat (255768) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366620)

...if these cars also have the 50,000 volt car-jacker traps like the one in RoboCop!!!

Chris

Thats not really new... (2, Informative)

ScUmM_BoY (17825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366452)

They've had that here (Hamilton, Ontario) for a while... they leave them in movie theater parking lots.

Hrm... (2, Interesting)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366457)


Thieves in my area steal the cars with OnStar right off the light...sure, they catch them but usually it's a little too late.

were the (2)

Fishstick (150821) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366462)

keys in the ignition also?

sounds like a good use of technology to me (1)

xarfel (250123) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366465)

right on, maybe people will think before taking other people's stuff.

Re:sounds like a good use of technology to me (0)

bananaape (542919) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366490)

Yeah, criminals are jerks.

Re:sounds like a good use of technology to me (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366645)

You wanna say that to my face, asshole!?

Kudos for technology in law enforcement (2)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366545)

I am all for this type of law enforcement. I think this type of sting operation ought to be cheap enough to manage with centralized administration and small teams. Maybe this will be a decent deterrent, as jail time obviously isn't enough.

none (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366466)

fuck post

How to get more thieves... (1)

whmac33 (524094) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366469)

You could get more thieves if you had a beowolf cluster of those.

A BSD User's Experience With Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366472)

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I however, was about to start my own fun. Working up my penis to a nice, firm erection with some AstroGlide [astroglide.com] (which I had first learned about on that Linux/cyberterrorism web site "slashdot"), I slowly guided into the penguin's tight ass. Tux , still slightly conscious, let out a few half-hearted screams of pain, and twitched slightly. Once my penis was all the way inserted, I got up on Tux's back and grabbed his chest firmly. Without much ceremony, I began to bang the creature hard, like he was a Salvation Army drum. He appearantly love d it... or hated it. I couldn't tell. All I know is that the more he screamed, the harder I fucked. It didn't take me long to reach climax! I exploded deep in his ass with a gigantic load. The pres sure was too much at this point and all around my penis, there was a gushing of cum, blood, and feces that flowed like a waterfall onto the floor. Tux was unconscious by this time, so were free to do w hatever we wanted.

And that's when it really got crazy!

Awesome! (4, Funny)

Gorimek (61128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366476)

Now I'm only waiting for the bicycle version. I lose at least one bike a year in the mean streets and garages of San Francisco.

Good use of technology (5, Insightful)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366477)

It catches car thieves, but only car thieves. This is one of the few uses of technology that has zero probability of catching "the wrong guy".

I wonder if this technology would be extended to the private consumer level?

Re:Good use of technology (0, Insightful)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366560)

Just wait until some idiot lawyer gets involved. He'll portray his client as a law-abiding citizen who was "entrapped" by the police into hotwiring the car and trying to make off with it, only to be caught by those nasty police officers.

Kierthos

"Remote Kill Switch"..... (1)

Dr_Marvin_Monroe (550052) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366481)

Sounds like more of a "Candid camera" type gag to me.....let thieves start car and run for 3 seconds, then kill the engine....repeat as necessary.

Bad Boys (0)

gato_mato (572107) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366485)

Seems to me that I have seen this done on the TV show COPS more than once and for a while now...I'd say they are slow on the news today.

Presumably Locked? (1)

rde (17364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366486)

You presume the car was locked? What kind of wussy criminals do you have in the US, anyway?

Re:Presumably Locked? (1)

suicidal (111181) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366596)

The column is already going to get busted. Why lock the doors inviting more unnecessary damage to be repaired before redeploying it? Everytime my car gets theft attempts, the bill is like $900 bucks just to put the column back together again! Sure I only pay the $250 insurance deductible, but it still hurts.

Death Wish (0)

First_In_Hell (549585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366488)

This almost reminds me of the First Death Wish movie where he baited the guys to car jack him only to kick their asses a second later.

Seriously though, I can't wait hearing from the car thief's legal team trying to get him off because methods like this are "unconstitutional"

I am sure the scumbag lawyers will have a field day with this one.

-Mod me up, I need the karma

Re:Death Wish (0, Troll)

goldspider (445116) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366589)

Sounds like entrapment to me, but the police get away with this all the time.

I'm not sure how common this is in other states, but here in Pennsylvania, it is a standard practice for the police to send a 16-yr old into a Quickie-Mart to try to get the clerk to (illegally) sell them cigarettes.

Do the police not have enough real crimes to solve that they have to manufacture them? Comon now...

Re:Death Wish (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366630)

Do the police not have enough real crimes to solve that they have to manufacture them? Comon now...

Stealing a car is no longer a real crime?

It stands to reason that someone who tries to steal these "booby-trapped" cars has also stolen other cars in the past. This seems like a good way to stop these people.

Re:Death Wish (3, Informative)

JCCyC (179760) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366601)

There's much worse than that in Death Wish. Bronson walks around with a camera hanging from his shoulder, the target (a pickpocketer) runs from behind him, grabs the camera and keeps running in front of him. Then he gets his BIG GUN and shoots the guy DEAD IN THE BACK! How's that for punishment fitting the crime? I was expecting him to shoot his leg. Note, this is not just "shown", this is ADVERTISED AS THE RIGHT AND HEROIC THING TO DO!

The bait described in the article, on the other hand, is 100% correct and clean. I wish "real" cars had that too.

Now I suppose..... (0, Offtopic)

Xistic (536149) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366492)

were going to see a mydrid of posts condeming this as entrapment. No one forces these people to commit these crimes. So what have we to fear?

Re:Now I suppose..... (2)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366579)

were going to see a mydrid of posts condeming this as entrapment. No one forces these people to commit these crimes. So what have we to fear?

I wonder what it would take to entrap you? We all have our limits. I bet it would be possible to devise a situation in which you would knowingly break the law. Where do you draw the line?

Re:Now I suppose..... (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366653)

. I bet it would be possible to devise a situation in which you would knowingly break the law.

Devise a situation, I'm curious. (One that doesn't involve my MP3 collection, please - I'll admit to much of that being illegal.)

Re:Now I suppose..... (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366603)

Technically, it does not mean the legal requirements of entrapment (which boil down to the cop egging you on, saying, "Go ahead and do it."), but yes, some lawyer will probably try and play that card the first time someone caught with this tech manages to get someone besides a public defender.

Hell(tm), it will probably happen the first time some "otherwise upstanding citizen" does it.

Kierthos

Out of Curiosity (2, Funny)

blankmange (571591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366494)

Would there be an entrapment angle to this? Taking a normal, older model and adding electronics to it to make it more appealing and therefore enticing the thieves to steal.... I really am kidding....

No entrapment here ... (2)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366569)

Entrapment is when, say, an undercover cop suggests the idea of the crime in the first place. For example, if some plainclothes cop came up to the guy and said "Hey, Jose, look at that: some jerk left his Camry unlocked. If you steal it I'll help you fence it".

Re:Out of Curiosity (1)

big_cat79 (156695) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366583)

In the article, the police say they feel they can avoid a defense attorney pleading entrapment, because

Entrapment is where the government plants the seed of a crime in the mind of individual who would not otherwise be criminally inclined," Trodden said. " . . . We don't want that. But if we had somebody who was out there, ready to steal something . . . it's good police work."

I thought "entrapment" too when I first read the headline, but the above quote rings true. It's not like the guy was looking to steal a car anyway. He just happned to pick the wrong one.

Re:Out of Curiosity (4, Insightful)

TheViffer (128272) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366613)

If a female officer dresses up like a Pro, and busts a potential client is this entrapment? No.

If a male officier acts like a drug dealer and busts a potential client is this entrapment? No.

If the Dukes of Hazard are flying down the road at 55 mph and pass by a speed limit sign that says 55 mph, just to have Rosco flip a switch which changes it to 35 mph construction zone, is this entrapment. Yes.

Wait a minute... (1, Troll)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366498)

Doesn't this constitute some form of entrapment? And what if I were to place a valuable item out on the streets with the intention of having it stolen? Is the person who takes it guilty of theft?

Re:Wait a minute... (5, Funny)

cheese_wallet (88279) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366530)

There is a difference between finding a watch on the street and finding a car on the street.

"Holy cow, look at all the cars people lost in this parking lot!"

--Scott

Not necessarily (2)

laetus (45131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366536)

If you read the article:

He does not anticipate any successful challenges from defense attorneys that the tactic is entrapment.

"Entrapment is where the government plants the seed of a crime in the mind of individual who would not otherwise be criminally inclined," Trodden said. " . . . We don't want that. But if we had somebody who was out there, ready to steal something . . . it's good police work."

BTW, Jose doesn't look happy in his booking photo.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

chill (34294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366539)

If it doesn't belong to you, it is theft.

Now, if they wired it to automatically start the ignition and pop open the driver's door when someone walked by...

Re:Wait a minute... (2)

EFGearman (245715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366546)

No. Because you are neither forcing nor coercing them into stealing said object. Just leaving it out does not mean entrapment. It's the same when cops go undercover to buy or sell drugs, catching the sellers or buyers. They are not coercing the future jailbird into buying or selling, just like in this, the cops are not coercing the auto thieves into stealing said 'wired' vehicle.

EFGearman

Way to read the article! (2)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366553)

I'm so glad that the people on Slashdot read the article before posting.

"Entrapment is where the government plants the seed of a crime in the mind of individual who would not otherwise be criminally inclined," Trodden said. " . . . We don't want that. But if we had somebody who was out there, ready to steal something . . . it's good police work."

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

cheese_wallet (88279) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366564)

Entrapment consists of creating the crime. This is just temptation.

A person still has to decide that it is a good idea to jump in the car and drive off.

No (2)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366566)

The guy stole the car. It happened to belong to the ACPD. And it happened to have fancy electronics in it. But he still stole the car. So he's toast.

Re:Wait a minute... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366577)

Please, Please, Please mod this bozo a troll. Stealing is stealing "I'm sorry your honor, but that car was just sitting there, it would have been a crime NOT to steal it."

or in the immortal words of Ken Lay, "But the pension fund was just sitting there."

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366582)

not the same, we're talking about a car here, there isn't many places you can put a car (safely) except in streets, parking lots & garages.

Jaysyn

Re:Wait a minute... (2)

leucadiadude (68989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366585)

Doesn't matter a damn what your intention is. Only matters what criminal scum intentions are.

As long as the car looked and "behaved" exactly like the other cars in the area, the police are off the "entrapment" hook BS. I.e., locked up no keys in ignition, parked normally... etc.

Re:Wait a minute... (2)

nizo (81281) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366587)

How can this possibly be entrapment? You get in the car (that isn't yours) and you drive off with it, and you get caught. It doesn't matter if the engine is running or what, the only exception might be if they wrote a big sign saying "Please steal me" and stuck it on the car (in which case they would only catch the really really stupid criminals).

As for leaving something out on the sidewalk, I suspect there are laws about abandoned property that would apply (since someone could pick it up with the intent to turn it in/return it). I don't see how someone could get into someone else's car and drive off with the same intentions.....

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

misfit13b (572861) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366598)

The car thief was out looking for a car to steal, he chose the wrong one - he's arrested. That's not entrapment. No one forced him to steal the car.

As for putting a valuable item on the street - if someone takes it, they stole it, and are now guilty of theft, yes. But, since you didn't force that person to take it, it's not entrapment either. They took the item of their own will. Premeditation doesn't factor in.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

xarfel (250123) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366606)

I believe the story mentioned the entrapment angle, and I don't believe that applies. Anyway, it's pretty cut and dried, it wasn't his car, and he took it. Where are the blurry lines there? I've had a car's and goods from cars stolen more than once, and the insurance on my Toyota Celica GTS is higher just because there is a threat of theft. I think this is great technology to use.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

Hitokage_Nishino (182038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366627)

They aren't leaving out cars with the intention of having them stolen. They are leaving out cars to catch people who DO steal them. Nothing is making them do this except their own criminal intent. There is no entrapment.

Slashdot is Shit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366499)


and Malda drinks horse cum.

Look at the fascist crap in this story, the USA sucks.

Come to Kuro5hin [kuro5hin.org] for great Justice.

Catching thieves? (1)

JZ_Tonka (570336) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366505)

Maybe they're just hoping these cars get stolen so they can cash in on the insurance.

Happens all the time here in Philadelphia.

entrapment (1)

sirtimbly (528760) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366512)

I am not a lawyer or even a person familiar with the law in any way, but isnt there something about entrapment in there. I personally agree with this idea, it's great, but my legal spidey sense is tingling on this one.

Re:entrapment (1)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366533)

What entrapment?

No one but me and anyone I invite belongs in my car. Anyone breaking in is obviously doing something wrong.

No entrapment here, just a good deterrent.

Isn't this illegal? (1, Troll)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366515)


It certainly is in the UK. It's called entrapment I believe.

The problem with entrapment is, where do you draw the line? Is it ok the leave the door unlocked? Is it ok to leave the keys in the ignition? Is it ok to have the engine running and $10,000 in used banknotes scattered around inside the car?

I'm sure everyone of us could be encouraged to do something illegal if the setup was correct.

Re:Isn't this illegal? (2, Informative)

Phoex (412808) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366590)

Entrapment is where police are getting someone to commit a crime where they would not normally commit one. In this case, they just leave a car in a parking lot (locked or unlocked) and wait for someone to come by and steal it. Since they are not making th vehicle more enticing to thieves or not so regular passersby(by leaving the car on or something) it's not entrapment

mod parent up (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366624)

Yeah, it's not entrapment, nor particularly sleazy, if someone goes and steals a car that happens to be rigged to catch them. It's just making people pay for being unlucky.

Re:Isn't this illegal? (2)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366649)

I don't think it's entrapment. Entrapment is encouraging a crime to happen. These cops aren't encouraging anything.

To the average law abiding person, it's just a car, nothing special. It's an average Accord/Camry/whatever, something you see a thousand times a day. Even if the doors were unlocked, so what? It's not like there's a neon light flashing above the car saying "I'm unlocked", you have to take a close look into the car to see. Most people don't look into every car they walk by.

This is a far cry from a undercover cop walking up to your car and offering to give you drugs or a blowjob for some money. In that case, the police are actively encouraging you to do a crime.

Just hook up a stungun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366518)

to the 12v car battery. Build it into the car seat. Of course, you'd put warning stickers on the windows. Save the court costs and stop recidivism.

Fishing for dumbass... (1)

MonkeyBot (545313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366521)

So instead of investigating existing car robberies, they use our tax money to buy a car that is meant to be stolen. Great.
I mean, yes, they find a guy who is stealing cars and take him off of the streets, but he or she will be back on the streets within a few years (if it is their first offense), probably doing the same thing. And yes, there is a CHANCE that they may find some kind of organized crime going on, but there is publicity for this car being left in the open to be stolen, so anyone in the area stealing cars that can pick up a newspaper is going to be on the lookout for it, so mostly, this is just a bunch of cops sitting around fishing for dumbass.

Re:Fishing for dumbass... (2, Insightful)

ornil (33732) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366558)

If the potential thieves read the newspapers and stop stealing cars (they don't know which one is the trap) that would do just fine.

Re:Fishing for dumbass... (3, Interesting)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366609)

What do you think a car theif does with a stolen car? They bring it somewhere. And then what happens? Someone else brings it somewhere else. Eventually it winds up in a chop shop. Just as they're getting ready to rip it apart, every link in the chain gets busted.

Then you grab their address books and check out their phone logs and see who they associate with...

Arlington, VA (5, Interesting)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366523)

My hometown! Well done guys. Arlington is cool in a number of ways - many police officers live in the county, so they drive their patrol cars home and keep them in the driveways. When a cop is your neighbor you can have a better relationship with the PD.

But I'm surprised the headline wasn't: Grand Theft Auto Illegal in Arlington, VA (yro, games)!

so.. (1)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366526)

Who's going to come to my house today to build a device to scramble GPS/Cell Signals in a 50 meter radius? We'll go on a car stealing spree, they'll never know what hit them.

World's Most anti-cliamactic car thefts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366531)

There is a television show that exhibited one of these bait cars in action. Was two or three years ago, however. Good news stories this is not.

Who Cares?? (1)

HappyCycling (565803) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366532)

I would much rather have a car thief steal the "bait-car" rather than yours or mine, right? Why does /. consider this a "Bad Thing"?

Hello, my name is K.I.T.T.! (3, Funny)

Zenjive (247697) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366534)

...and I am driving you to the nearest police station where you will be handed over to the authorities. Thank you and have a nice day!

Smart thief (-1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366537)

A smart thief will steal the car and leave it outside for a few days to see if it has a locator and is towed away.

Entrapment! Or, not... (5, Insightful)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366542)

I can already hear the cries of "entrapment" about to spring up all over this article, so I'll point out this definition of entrapment [lectlaw.com] , which would seem to indicate that this method (placing a "bait" car in likely spots) is NOT entrapment. I imagine that a court would actually need to rule on this (IANAL), but it's fairly clear-cut to me. Simply placing a car in an area where it is likely to get stolen would not, to any reasonable person, qualify as "government agents [persuading or talking] the person into committing the crime".

Re:Entrapment! Or, not... (1)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366647)

Forget those urban legend prison stories. Why don't you test this legal theory out and steal one of these cars yourself? You might be pleased to know justice does prevail.

Except... (0)

bananaape (542919) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366544)

Its only a matter of time before thieves figure out how to disable it...

Scary! (4, Funny)

Dr Caleb (121505) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366554)

"The car called us -- 'I'm being stolen,'...

Cars can't talk.

Why don't they 'salt' a few 1982 Lotus Turbo Esprits? Don't those blow up when you break into them?

Re:Scary! (1)

JordanH (75307) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366632)

  • Cars can't talk.

They can't? I'm sure I saw this TV show the other night with David Hasselhof where this Firebird talked. Then, there's "My Mother The Car".

Re:Scary! (1)

DickPhallus (472621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366633)

Cars can't talk.

This one [knightrideronline.com] does!

Pretty Cool (1)

Microsift (223381) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366555)

I remember seeing something similar on Donahue about 10-12 years ago. The guy had a recumbinant[sp?] bike with a ton of computer equipment on it, and he rode around the country, if someone tried to move the bike when it was locked down, it would call 911 and give its location.

I think the bike was called Behemoth, I think that was an acronym, but I don't remember what it stood for.

Increasing the 'catch rate' (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3366556)

Why don't they put a buxom blonde in the car to increase the steal metrics?

Entrapment (1)

garren_bagley (413546) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366562)

RE: He does not anticipate any successful challenges from defense attorneys that the tactic is entrapment.

"Entrapment is where the government plants the seed of a crime in the mind of individual who would not otherwise be criminally inclined," Trodden said. " . . . We don't want that. But if we had somebody who was out there, ready to steal something . . . it's good police work."


Doesn't this depend on the car they actually use?

Great! (3, Interesting)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366572)

Now thanks to the Wasington Post, I know there are a bunch of cars sitting unlocked, and all I need to do to steal them is bring some radio jamming equipment! Sweet!

Hmm, Didn't I see this on COPS about 5 years ago. (0, Flamebait)

UnkaFuggly (465568) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366574)

This is not news in any sense, except possibly in the "local news sucks" sense. Slashdot... Maybe you ned to get a few more people with a bit more ability to discern what are actually important changes & announcements in technology and what is merely recycled "Real-People" "stories".

What bothers me.. (1)

CptNoSkill (528594) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366576)

Are the lawyers who are going to claim 'entrapment' and get these criminals off...

Entrapment (2)

moniker_21 (414164) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366580)

"A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case."

The guy they arrested was arrested with burglary tools on his person. So quite obviously he did in fact have previous intent to commit, and enrapment won't be an issue.

Re:Entrapment (1)

JordanH (75307) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366651)

  • and enrapment won't be an issue.

If the police recite poetry while arresting you, could you plead that it was enrapment?

I'll bet it *was* locked (1)

dscottj (115643) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366586)

Guys, check out one of the last lines in the story:


" In addition to facing a grand larceny auto charge, Gonzalez, 40, was charged with possessing burglary tools" [emphasis added]


Burglary tools = slim jim & other sorts of unlock tools. I'll bet nickles to quarters that the car was locked, and this guy jimmied it open somehow.


Leaving a car on a street unlocked with the keys inside is entrapment. This isn't.

I am puting in my order for one of these (1)

cosmicpossum (554246) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366588)

...to track my teenage son!

I especially like the remote kill switch.

I've got a better idea... (2)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366595)

...but it probably wouldn't go over well and might be difficult to implement.

Instead of GPS trackers, the cars could be rigged to explode when the ignition was started. Of course in this case you need failsafes to make sure that nothing else will set off the bomb. You also need to worry about collateral damage and it'll get expensive after awhile...

...then again, it is government spending. And it will insure a low repeat offender count.

Stolen Truck (1)

yintercept (517362) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366597)

Most interstate truckers these days have satellite tracking devices. The primary use of the satellites is mondane stuff like tracking shipments, filling out driving laws, routing and the like.

One of the first four trucks my company installed the system on was stolen. After stealing the truck, they drove it to several warehouses; so one GPS/Satellite unit took down both the thief, but several chop shops and stolen goods warehouses.

Having even a small percentage of cars with tracking devices will take a big bite out of car theft. It would be cool if someday we did the same thing with bikes; Then I could ride my bike to University without having it or its parts stolen.

entrapment? (1)

fewl (133959) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366604)


ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.


I can see it all now...
thief: "Really officer, anyone dumb enough to leave their car unlocked in DC is just ASKING to get their car stolen. I didn't WANT to do it. The car made me do it."

Oh, gee, thanks. (1)

I am the blob (239590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366608)

...selecting from among the most commonly stolen vehicles. Nationally, that list includes Toyota Camrys, Honda Accords and Oldsmobile Cutlasses.

Great, if this works, thieves will stop picking on the most commonly stolen vehicles, thereby increasing the risk that my Kia Sportage will get stolen!

Who am I kidding, I could leave that thing in a dark lot with the engine running and the doors open and nobody would touch it. Bad, bad Kia.

Learn from my mistake. Don't buy a Kia, kids.

--blob

Sounds like a good place to steal $3,000 worth of (1)

trentfoley (226635) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366612)

How long until thieves break in to the cars to steal the gps and wireless equipment?

All well and good, but (1)

BoBaBrain (215786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366619)

I think I'll stick with my "bottle-of-poisoned-whisky-in-the-glove-compartmen t" system.

I live in DC.... (2)

dryueh (531302) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366641)

..and if I see this thing parked in front of my apt, it's so keyed.

More danger to people... (2, Interesting)

rtstyk (545241) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366648)

More danger to people when they're entering/leaving the car if this gets really popular because the thieves will stop trusting the free standing car. I can imagine the thieves resorting to using a gun to get the person out of the way and then steal the car.

Also I suppose the thieves can just observer the car for a while. If no one uses it for 2 or 3 days then it's a given that's a bait. The cops might have to have people using the car in some realistic way.

d.

This is cool but... (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366656)

They designed it poorly. The damn thing should not just shut off with the kill switch, but lock the dumbass in.

It should take still photographs of his face with a hidden camera, while he's in the act.

Hell, the thing should have external hidden cameras, so that it can take pics of vandals.

If they wanted to, they could make this car a REAL pain for criminals.

Ricochet wireless modems did it first (2)

t0qer (230538) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366658)

I forget what the original name was but the Ricochet modem was used in NYC so taxi companies could track down stolen taxi's. Later that system was purchased by Metricom and reworked to become the Ricochet wireless system we know today. Even after Metricom purchased it, there were times it was used to track things like stolen customer laptops, cars, basically anything that was attatched to it could be tracked.

? entrapment ? (0, Redundant)

duran.goodyear (257083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3366669)

uh.... doesn't that constitute entrapment???

I'm no legal expert, but that seems a bit over the line to me.

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