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802.11b at 22mbps

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the bring-it-on dept.

Technology 137

Radi-0-head writes "According to this article at, "U.S. Robotics (USR) has boosted the speed of its latest range of wireless LAN products for small businesses to 22 megabits per second, while retaining compatibility with existing 2.4-GHz systems built to the IEEE 802.11b standard..." Sounds to me like a great alternative to 802.11a."

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yuh (-1, Offtopic)

SkaSux559 (528157) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379339)

damn close to first post

Re:yuh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379347)

Nope, definately first post. I doubt this is the second though.

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Faster pron (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379342)

Now it comes to me faster than ever

802.11g (1)

mbone (558574) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379343)

IMHO, 802.11a is DOA. I can't wait for 802.11g - which should interoperate with 802.11b.

Re:802.11g (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379443)

Your opinion is questionable, then, given the massive proliferation and heavy sales of 802.11a hardware in the industry (some companies putting 802.11a hardware in their entire line of laptops). 802.11g offers no real advantage over 802.11a, so given that it's hitting the market a year or so later, I'd say that it doesn't have much of a chance.

Re:802.11g (1)

packeteer (566398) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380323)

i actually have computer that used to be on the wireless network using 802.11b... unfortunatly there was a microwave next to it so there was so much interference i could not stand it... every time the microwave goes on BAM network error... so i got some nice sheilded cable and ran that down to my wired hub... so personally im saving up for 802.11a becuase of the frequency difference so i dont worry about interferance AND it has better range/data rate... you can always get a 802.11a/b access point if your so picky...

Re:802.11g (2)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380786)

What laptops have 802.11a?

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Re:Slashdot Beatitudes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379378)

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Re:Slashdot Beatitudes (0)

beninkster (519179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379436)

Amen brother

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Still 802.11a! (1)

ZeroEpoch (210003) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379354)

This may have increased the possibilities of using 802.11b. But besides cost why not just go all out with 802.11a and enjoy the 100mbps. It may be an alternative but it's still not quite as fast.

Re:Still 802.11a! (1)

doubtless (267357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379370)

I guess for the _average_ home user, it is a welcoming news, double the speed with only roughly $20 in price sounds good to me.

Re:Still 802.11a! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379491)

double the speed with only roughly $20 in price sounds good to me.

It's not like it's a $20 upgrade. You still have to pay full price for new equipment.

Re:Still 802.11a! (1)

mindflux (122573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379512)

802.11a is 54mbps not 100.

802.11a is 54Mbs (2)

clinko (232501) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379699)

As you probably know, 802.11a and 802.11b each define a different physical layer. 802.11b radios transmit at 2.4 GHz and send data up to 11 Mbps using direct sequence spread spectrum modulation; whereas, 802.11a radios transmit at 5 GHz and send data up to 54 Mbps using OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing).

Re:802.11a is 54Mbs (2, Informative)

computer_space (564384) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379839)

Right you are.
And it has been proven by Wifi companies like Atheros that OFDM is more robust that DSSS techniques.
It doesn't matter if you can put 1Gbps into the air channel if your packet error rate suffers so much that you have an effective rate of 10bps.
This is where 802.11a shines with its forward error schemes, interleaving, OFDM instead of DSSS Barker sequences like 802.11b.
OFDM will also allow the use of more channels so 802.11a SPEC could be updated later to more than the 48 channels for data comunication.
They could update it to have 96 true channels and make it work at ~110Mbs or higher with schemes like 256-QAM instead of 64-QAM. That would be a byte encoded symbol per channel! It would then be easy to have 144Mbs with little work on the spec!

Re:802.11a is 54Mbs (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380618)

So, the foward looking question: Does 802.11g use OFDM also (albeit on the 2.4Ghz band)?

US Robotics != 3Com ??? (2)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379355)

This article refers to USR as a totally stand-alone identity. This is news to me. Did 3Com spin off USR recently? Last I heard, they were a totally absorbed identity, thus no more USR modems or USR Palm Pilots (Irrelevant now). And furthermore, if US Robotics exists again, has Bernard Shifman [] returned to work there? :)

Re:US Robotics != 3Com ??? (1)

roybadami (515249) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379441)

Did 3Com spin off USR recently?

Yes. Not that recently, actually.

Re:US Robotics != 3Com ??? (1)

blixel (158224) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379501)

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Re:US Robotics != 3Com ??? (1)

stripes (3681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379910)

$10 says gets a noticeable boost in the number of people visiting the site during that time... people's curiosity will be peaked and they'll have to come "just once" to see if the blackout is working.

Doubtful as the "great blackout" is just on the comment pages, and from the front page you can see how many comments there are, and how many are at or above your threshold...

So nobody has to "break the picket line" to see if the store is empty -- in effect it has these big plate glass windows...

Re:US Robotics != 3Com ??? (1)

gklinger (571901) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379510)

> Did 3Com spin off USR recently?

"Purchased by 3Com in 1997, U.S. Robotics re-emerged as an independent company in September 2000."

Excerpted from

USRobotics is back and they're focusing on products like modems, wireless gear and broadband routers as well as some new and interesting stuff like the SoundLink Wireless Audio Delivery System.

I have fond memories of my first USRobotics HST modem and I wish them the best of luck.

Re:US Robotics != 3Com ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3380689)


3Com []

gee.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379358)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

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Two things to do (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379539)

Two things to do today:

1) Lube my penis.
2) Put it inside your ass.

Who needs a Microwave (1)

jimson (516491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379382)

You're not only getting faster speed, you're getting a stronger radio signal

Operating at the 2.4GHz range, this means I can throw out my microwave. This thing will heat up my coffee while giving me bandwidth.....

Re:Who needs a Microwave (2)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379401)

Yessir! 100mW of coffee bean roasting power. A slightly longer wait, but surfing while you wait should be enjoyable. Use a highly directional 26dBi antenna to concentrate that power into a tiny area with an effective power of 25 watts. You might be able to see microscopic bubbles of steam...

Re:Who needs a Microwave (1)

Krach42 (227798) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379413)

Just hope it doesn't heat up your nuts while you're using your laptop...

Re:Who needs a Microwave (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379464)

Oooooh, I just had a thought worthy of alt.tasteless.

Pregnent moms should NOT use this product! *evil grin*

Ok ok sorry sorry.

::hangs head in shame::

Re:Who needs a Microwave (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379532)

I suppose that your sig is a joke, but aside from the cygwin approach, there's a quite nice mingw release of gcc for windows which is good for general-purpose development.

more on this (2, Informative)

doubtless (267357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379386)

More news on the 22mbps USR WiFi can be found here [] , and the 88W8200 Wireless LAN Baseband Processor information can be found here []

802.11g (3, Interesting)

cyr (571397) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379398)

A nearly free 100% speed boost is nice, but I would wait for 802.11g instead, giving 54Mbps in the 2.4GHz band and also being backward compatible with 802.11b.

I'm not an expert, but it seems to me 802.11a is doomed. Is there any reason to prefer it over the upcoming 54Mbps 2.4GHz stuff?

Re:802.11g (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379456)

Is there any reason to prefer it over the upcoming 54Mbps 2.4GHz stuff?

The fact that it's here today, and not "upcoming", perhaps? (Given that 802.11a is available right now, I think a much more reasonable question is "Is there any reason to prefer 802.11g over 802.11a?". To many, the answer is no. The backwards compatability of 802.11g is largely irrelevant because of the ultra-low market presence of 802.11b, hence 802.11a really is the first wireless technology many firms are implementing, so they have little concern if it's backwards compatible with an obsolete standard. On top of that the 2.4Ghz spectrum is rife with interference (cordless phones, bluetooth, etc.).

A couple reasons to choose 802.11a over 802.11g (5, Informative)

Freeptop (123103) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379691)

First, the 2.4 GHz has a ton of other devices sharing the same spectrum, from Bluetooth to wireless headphones, to your microwave. 802.11a runs in the 5GHz band instead.

Second, according to the last proposals I'd heard of, 802.11g is going to achieve higher bandwidth by taking up more of the spectrum. In other words, it is going to use more channels to simultaneously broadcast data, rather than just being able to shove more data down the same channel. This means your own access points will begin to interfere with each other much sooner than your 802.11a or .11b APs will.

In general, it is going to depend on your situation as to which you wish to choose. 802.11g will be great for backwards compatibility, but the news coming out of IEEE seems to indicate that 54Mbps is more like something to shoot for than something they expect to achieve. 802.11a won't have compatibility, and it will also have a shorter range, but it will have higher speeds with less interference.

Re:A couple reasons to choose 802.11a over 802.11g (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380216)

As a sidenote, it should be noted that in many tests (most recently PC Magazines wireless shootout) have shown a very similar range between 802.11a & 802.11b : The longer range of 802.11b was mostly a hypothetical, but in real world situations they often find them comparable.

Just a point of interest for firms looking at 802.11b because of the hyped extra range.

USR Dual Standard (5, Funny)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379399)

Oh, God no, not proprietary USR hardware that gives superior connection speeds! Not a return to the bad old days!

Re:USR Dual Standard (1)

cyr (571397) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379409)

It does have a sort of "x2/K56flex/v90" feel to it. ..

Re:USR Dual Standard (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379471)

Beh, was fun explaining to n00bs on BBSs though why they couldn't get 56k to their local BBSs. LOL. Alls fun, alls fun.

Besides, think of the +5 informative possabilities on /. everytime an article is posted on the topic and somebody gets confused! Hell if this goes through Karma rates will skyrocket! ;D (joke there folks, haha laugh)

Re:USR Dual Standard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379726)

keep talking fool. There was only one bbs left in my CITY when 56k came out, and they had PPP detection built into the login script so that Win95 dialup boxes could get straight online.

Re:USR Dual Standard (2)

Loligo (12021) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380622)

>It does have a sort of "x2/K56flex/v90" feel to
>it. ..

I was thinking "802.11b.terbo", personally.

Or maybe "802.11b.HST", since it's USR...


Re:USR Dual Standard (2)

CaseyB (1105) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379793)

Heh, I still have my $400+ USR HST (not DS!) 14.4kb modem lurking in my storage room. It's the size of a notebook computer.

I don't consider it the "bad old days" at all. I was running 14.4 amongst all the 2400 bps modems a good year or two before v32/v32bis modems were generally available.

Re:USR Dual Standard (2)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379972)

Bad old days in the sense that the privileged few (rich) get a fast, superior experience, and the rest of us that use the industry standard get a crappy experience.

Re:USR Dual Standard (2)

fwr (69372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380430)

Um, isn't that the way that life works normally? I mean, I don't have the latest and greatest Lexus or Cadillac. Yet, features that were first used on much more expensive cars are now standard feature on run-of-the-mill cars, such as airbags. Most of the time companies will over-charge for new technologies or products because they have to recoup their R&D cost relatively quickly. Once that is done then they can realistically drop the price to make it available to the average consumer. Just wait, sooner or later those 21" LCD displays will be a few hundred instead of thousands. Welcome to reality...

Re:USR Dual Standard (2)

ewhac (5844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380358)

Heh, I still have my $400+ USR HST (not DS!) 14.4kb modem lurking in my storage room. It's the size of a notebook computer.

Pfah! That's nothing. I have a Hayes 300 baud StupidModem for my SOL-20. It's twice the size of your average PCI card (being a full S-100 card), uses an external "brick" for the phone line interface, has no DTMF generator (pulse dialing only), no internal speaker, and no internal software for dialing or connection establishment. You have to write a short program to fiddle the hook relay to count out dialing pulses, then wait and pray the connection works out.

Ah, those were the days...

BTW, who else learned to read NetNews off the screen at 2400 bps? :-)


Re:USR Dual Standard (2)

ewhac (5844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380317)

I'm with you, pal. Everyone who bought one of USR's proprietary high-speed modems ended up having to spend extra money to replace it, because the standard that was ultimately adopted was superior to -- and incompatible with -- USR's.

HST was obsoleted and replaced with V.32bis. X2 was obsoleted and replaced with V.90. I don't plan on wasting my money; I'll wait for 802.11a to get cheaper.


nothing new (4, Informative)

smagoun (546733) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379406)

This isn't terribly new. Companies have been doing 22Mbps 802.11 for awhile now: Link from 6/2001 []

Re:nothing new (1)

smagoun (546733) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379415)

Of course, given the source of that article it could be 11/01, not 6/01. Either way, it was sometime last year.

Re:nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379420)

This isn't terribly new. Companies have been doing 22Mbps 802.11 for awhile now

Check the title again. Slashdot is talking about 22 milli bps. This is quite new (and slow).

Re:nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379428)

Excellent point, my dear sir. This sounds like a fascinating new technology indeed.

Hackers invade on-line chat rooms!!!! (-1)

GafTheHorseInTears (565684) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379408)

Chatting on-line is something akin to visiting the local mall and sitting down in the food court to gab with total strangers.

Every day, thousands gather on the Internet to gossip, meet people, find companionship and pass the time. But just as in real life, there are bullies in chat groups who seek to spoil the fun for everyone else.

They invade and disrupt peaceful discussions and even kick unsuspecting users out. Sometimes they can even usurp the control of chat room hosts and ban them unceremoniously from their own room.

And there's not a darned thing anyone can do about it.

Such individuals consider themselves hackers, and they accomplish their nefarious ends with little programs called "bots" (essentially software robots) that autonomously perform certain tasks. They're not sophisticated and are available to anyone who is able to find them and download them from the Net.

Unfortunately, Web-based chat rooms -- at least the free ones set up by services such as MSN (the Microsoft Network), AOL Chat and IRC -- are extremely vulnerable to these bots, which use lines of computer code called scripts that perform specific actions.

What makes them so vulnerable is that many chat programs are built to use beneficial bots that automatically respond to actions they observe during a chat. For example, a benign administration bot might be set up to say hello to a user entering a chat area or immediately kick out a user who employs foul language.

But there are those that aren't so nice.

There are bots that just annoy: "Scrollers" that cause a chat room's display to repeatedly jump up and down on the screen, and "flooders" that will bombard a user with spurious messages. The worst will actually take over control of a chat room, boot out the person who set it up and give the hacker administrative control of the room.

That's the extent of their nastiness, though. Bots and scripts used in chat rooms can't affect your computer or let the hacker gain access to your hard drive.

Bear in mind, though, that to register for many chat rooms you have to enter a valid e-mail address into the host system. Hackers will be able to see this address and send you e-mail which could contain a virus. By not opening e-mail you're suspicious about and especially never clicking on any attachments you don't recognize, you can avoid infection. Basically, take the same precautions with such free e-mail addresses that you would with any e-mail.

"It seems some think this is a cute game to kill time," says Lynda, a customer support system operator for MSN, Microsoft Corp.'s chat community. Contacted through MSN's live on-line help desk, Lynda said there are often reports of such misuse of chats. "There are currently two bots that I know of people are using that has made this possible for them to do," she said.

So why don't Microsoft and other chat program developers and managers crack down on such misuse?

Well, for one thing, they are generally free services and aren't actively policed by the parent company -- after all, anyone can visit any of these sites and set up their own chat room. Thousands of users are on-line at any given time at each of the services.

So what do you do if you're in the middle of an intriguing conversation with someone and you get suddenly kicked out into the chat site's lobby? "Most people will come here and report it," Lynda said.

"The best advice is to leave the room and create a new room," said Lynda. "The [hackers] that do take ownership really do not do much while in the room."

And services like MSN will get involved when things get serious. Any room that contravenes MSN's code of conduct by having sexual or illegal content in the name or topic gets the owner or host banned from the service.

mbps?? (4, Funny)

daghlian (113201) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379416)

Wow!! 22 millibits per second. That means it only takes 45 seconds to transfer a whole bit!

I can't wait until 22Mbps devices come out.

Re:mbps?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379432)

What do you call a bit of a bit? Is this like dividing a photon into smaller bite sized particles? Do these subatomic bits have spin and mass? What happens when it comes in contact with an anti-bit? Could I power my computer off a battery containing anti-bits in a magnetic field?

I feel a strong intellegence signal in the bogon force field.

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379451)

the proper SI notation would be

22 Mb/s

Re:Actually (1)

Istealmymusic (573079) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379814)

the proper SI notation would be

22 Mb/s

True, and that space between the unit and the quanity [] is important (see rule #15). Multiplication and division, in this case of Mb and s, is covered by rule #5. Rule #2 shuns "Abbreviations such as sec, cc, or mps", of course that would include "bps".

Interoperability (1)

Traser (60664) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379419)

The most interesting thing in this article, as the speed itself isn't blow-your-mind-out-of-the-sky for current wireless, is that this will be backwards compatible with current 802.11b.
Doubling of the bandwidth for parts of the wireless commmunities that have spread up will gradually take place - and we'll all be the better for it.

I'll Still Trade Security for Bandwidth (2)

superid (46543) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379423)

So at twice the speed, I can gather enough packets to crack WEP encryption keys in half the time using Airsnort [] . Seriously, I really want secure security! My office won't move to wireless until there is cheap and proven FIPS-140 compliant security.

Re:I'll Still Trade Security for Bandwidth (5, Informative)

u01000101 (574295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379777)

Seriously, I really want secure security!

Run ipsec or some other form of end-to-end encryption or vpn. Put the wireless network on a separate interface (a la DMZ) on one of your routers. That's it - it's probably safer than your cat5 now.

What's the REAL speed? (5, Insightful)

chill (34294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379429)

11 Mbps to 22 Mbps SOUNDS like a 100% increase, but what is the real speed/range gain? Given an 11 Mbps system with 3 nodes each at 10m from the access point, what is the actual thruput? Is switching to the USR system going to actually DOUBLE that?

Network speeds rank right up there with CRT sizes, CD-ROM spin speeds and tape storage capacity as some of the biggest bullshit numbers in computing.

Re:What's the REAL speed? (0, Redundant)

oPless (63249) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379446)


What he said.

What's the REAL speed? Who Cares! CINNAMON TOAST (-1)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379475)

Cinnamon Toast (a personal favorite of RecipeTroll)

1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/4 cup white sugar

Butter a piece of bread. Sprinkle bread with a mixture of cinnamon and sugar. Place in a toaster oven and toast until the butter is melted and the sugar has started to glaze over. Let cool sufficiently before eating.

Re:What's the REAL speed? (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379492)

Don't forget your network architecture, collision rates, and so forth. Since you are going wireless, what type of other possible issues does this new technology have?

Definitely a ton of questions to be asked, and this is why the OFFICIAL Wireless specs take so damn long to get through committee.

Ok actually it is the fact that they ARE a committee, but there _IS_ a review board in there someplace and they do do some good.

This technology here has not yet been properly scrutinized by the community at large, sure it can get twice the data rate, but hell the official specifications could likely have done that to if they just made a few sacrifices. While technology has improved over time and it sounds like this little diddy here is an actual improvement how much of its gain is due to being improved and how much of its gain is due to fudge factor?

The truth about slashdot privacy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379447)

# taco claims IP are anonymized via md5 algo
# just run this perl this perl script with
# the "md5" as argument to prove him wrong
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219,204,53,44,25,10,68,73,1,5,133,197,2 17,55,113,1 08,112,
6,164,217,77,1,36,188,47,254,121,129,6,38 ,152,97,1 28,21,
22,24,97,131,230,211,252,249,152,224,127,9 9,130,23 1,99,134,32,
207,88,188,41,102,193,175,204,145,25 ,88,39,236,101 , 0,226,226,
54,68,102,53,109,223,21,16,95,158,190, 229,186,70,1 02,233,175,
170,98,134,101,34,75,100,198,35,13,21 4,202,164,0,1 96,180,220,
182,68,128,38,144,64,99,100,182,35,11 9,76,8,181,23 7,190,159,
209,246,68,177,42,36,208,22,153,230,44 ,24,169,117, 114,15,18,
30,76,3,234,15,82,134,76,69,93,171,163 ,35,25,82,14 8,48,
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97,196,31,56,161,216,237,87,210,214,0,25, 206,136,6 4,172,222,
138,63,214,43,148,125,132,161,58,216,7 0,130,8,67,1 21,77,252,
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15,127,110,78,180,85,128,37,196,135,63 ,142,9,62,20 2,77,36,
54,127,248,29,145,118,4,36,237,152,219,1 47,213,159 , 7,68,23,
175,223,61,171,63,126,27,248,196,100,127 ,254,250,1 23,147,217,47,
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$n=join "",@m; open P,$k2; print P $n; close P;

Is this... (2)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379460)

Is this going to be like the X2 non-standard modem but for the wireless world? If so, then as words taken by the Duke Nukem," Blow it out YER ass!!"

That's the last we need it a half assed proprietary kinda-standard that only works well when you use their equipment.

Really, 22Mbps? (0)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379465)

I'll believe these speed ratings when they come out with Gigabit WiFi. I never got more than 8Mbps with an Avaya GOLD card even if i was in the same room as the base station.

Their new stuff costs nearly as much as 802.11a! (1)

tandoor (571899) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379466)

802.11a has dropped drasticly in price and continues to fall.

There is no reason for this silly US Robotics specific solution. (except marketing to fools)

If you want more speed, pay a little more and get 802.11a, or wait a short while for it to be in the same price range.

Or, put your money into a better antenna on your WAP since few get the full bandwidth with existing 801.11b because of those tiny cheap antennas built into most WAPs.

Re:Their new stuff costs nearly as much as 802.11a (1)

camelrider (46141) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379480)

802.11a is fine if all you want to do is talk to other 802.11a equipment. That leaves you out of the 802.11b loop!

Would someone please explain... (1)

KC7GR (473279) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379487) me WHY the WiFi manufacturers are focusing on speed BEFORE they worry about security? WEP is still a joke.

Re:Would someone please explain... (0)

cyr (571397) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379579)

WEP isn't secure, but I wouldn't call it a joke. Getting enough data to crack a WEP key can take a *long* time, it's not something you do while driving by.

Besides, there are workarounds for the know weakness: ti on=m52&envelope=90&page=3267

WEP Weak Key Avoidance.
The key that is input to the WEP64 or 128 RC4 encryption algorithm
consists of the secret key configured by the user (or via 802.1x)
concatenated with the IV (Initialization Vector). The IV is
determined by the transmitting station. By excluding certain IV
values that would create so-called "weak keys", the weakness of
WEP as described in "Weaknesses in the Key Scheduling Algorithm
of RC4" by Scott Fluhrer, Itsik Mantin and Adi Shamir, and
demonstrated through the AirSnort program, are avoided.
Note that, as the IV is always determined by the transmitting
station, there is no impact on interoperability. Stations/APs with
weak key avoidance implemented can interoperate with stations/APs
that do not have this. Of course, protection against this attack
is provided only if all stations and APs implement this new scheme.

Because you can always... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379588)

run a more secure protocol like IPSec over the wireless connection, which is what they should have been doing anyways.

Thats nothing. Apple is working on 112Mbps (3, Informative)

CokeBear (16811) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379508)

According to Mac OS Rumors [] :

Apple has reportedly demonstrated a 112Mbps version of its Airport wireless networking technology for educators in certain West Coast US locations, in anticipation that the new standard, which is up to ten times faster than the current Airport and can sustain original Airport speeds at distances upwards of 50% greater than today's devices. Release dates vary between reports, but the general consensus is Apple will release at least a partial implementation of this technology at Macworld New York this summer, just in time for the 2002-2003 school year buying season.

Re:Thats nothing. Apple is working on 112Mbps (1, Offtopic)

CokeBear (16811) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380320)

How is this offtopic?

What kind of crack are the moderators smoking today? (And where can I get some?)

what is wrong with 802.11a? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3379513)

why is everyone against 802.11a? i thought that everyone was b***** and moaning about how 2.4ghz affects your phone and every damn thing that seems to run at 2.4ghz nowadays... yet you are just waiting for 802.11g just so that you can b**** and moan again? geez....

food for thought, 802.11a is pre-history (1)

Jacer (574383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379555)

the cost of upgrading all of our equipment to 802.11a was astrnomical, if this is compatible with 'b' we could do our access points and all new network adapters slowly phasing out 'b' in a much more cost effective manner

Works only with cat 5 air (5, Funny)

roguerez (319598) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379568)

These chips double 802.11b speeds by functioning full duplex. The drawback however, is that this requires category 5 air.

Not all offices and homes fulfill this requirement. Location plays an important role: in the city you'll most likely not be able to communicate full duplex. In suburbs you'll have a fair chance if you're not too close to the city. In rural area's you'll most probably always have full duplex.

You can communicate at 22 Mbps over short distances using category 4 air, but when the peers are more than a few meters apart, category 5 air becomes a must.

Just something you might want to know before you buy these things..

Re: cat 5 air (1)

distributed.karma (566687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379651)

Is that like the Perri-Air from Spaceballs?

Re:Works only with cat 5 air (0, Redundant)

AndyMcL (65518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379864)

HAHAHAHAHA! That was a good one!


Re:Works only with cat 5 air (2)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380318)

New Error:

Your room has the wrong type of air for this network to function. Please remove the air and try again.

Re:Works only with cat 5 air (1)

Arandir (19206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380390)

Not as funny as it sounds. My buddy (who I mentioned in another topic) is in rural Redneck County. His ISP is already using this. I, on the other hand, in the middle of Silicon Valley, don't have this option available to me.

Re:Works only with cat 5 air (1)

Datasage (214357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380524)

Cat5 air, i behind... must upgrade. what did they do, double the amount of pixies in it?

So is this really something from Eumitcom? (1)

Halvard (102061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379570)

USR OEMs their 802.11B products from Tiawanese company Eumitcom, recently bought out by Addtron [] . The SMC, USR, Linksys, Belkin and quite a few other PCMCIA Intersil based 802.11B cards are Eumitcom WL-11000s and the access points are also Eumitcom, sometimes in different cases, sometimes not.

Given that, is the doubling of claimed bandwidth actually USRs doing or is it Intersil's doing, Eumitcom or USR that has doubled claimed performance. Perhaps, USR is just first to market with this.

Market Release (3, Informative)

hari (15720) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379614)

USR does not have a esitmated market release for their new cards (this from a USR sales person).

Some other companies have also started producing the new standard, notably BuffaloTech. io n2x/index.cfm

Any insider information as to when these cards can bought at a local Bestbuy ?

Re:Market Release (1)

Halvard (102061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380203)

These cards and access points are on the shelves now at MicroCenter in Cambridge, MA.

"802.11b at 22mbps" ? (1)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379716)

Quoting the headline... "802.11b at 22mbps". Who the heck would want a 22 millibit per second connection? Sure, I wouldn't mind a 22 megabit per second (Mbps) connection, but that's a whole different story I guess. :)

Here's a link [] if you're confused or need to brush up. As well as a link [] for extra info regarding binary multiples.

Have a nice day!

Airport 2 (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379722)

Isn't Apple already shipping 54Mbps Airport cards? I thought I heard about that several months ago, but I just checked their site and it just says 11Mbps, so maybe I'm confused?

802.11g (2)

kenneth_martens (320269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379798)

Sounds to me like a great alternative to 802.11a

Rather than use a hacked non-standard modification of 802.11b, why not use 802.11g? It offers the same transfer speeds as 802.11a, but was designed to be compatible with existing 802.11b networks. So you can upgrade an existing 802.11b network to 802.11g gradually. With 802.11a, you have to rip out your old 802.11b wireless network and replace everything.

Re:802.11g (1)

smashin234 (555465) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380022)

Read this.. especially the part about backwards compatibility []

The backwards compatibility problem has not been solved yet for the legacy 802.11b systems to inter-operate with 802.11g. Until that happens, 802.11a, despite its problems with permeating substances such as brick and other building materials, is still the better alternative.

This new higher speed for 802.11b mentioned in the article gives buisnesses NOW the opprotunity to upgrade their current hardware without installing a brand new system to operate in the 5ghz range.

Re:802.11g (2)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380151)

If you want that just get a Cisco 1200AP, 802.11b now and a few months from now 802.11a. And when 802.11g gets ratified we will have an adapter for that too =) more info can be found here [] .

Re:802.11g (2)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380769)

It's funny that you call 802.11a nonstandard when 802.11g is the one that hasn't been finalized. 802.11a/b combo chipsets will arrive before 802.11g chipsets, and at that point 802.11g will be mostly pointless.

You don't have to rip out your 802.11b network to use 802.11a; you can have two sets of base stations and migrate incrementally.

22 milibits? (2)

chompz (180011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3379855)

lets see, at 22 millibits/sec it would take 1000 seconds to get 22 bits. I don't see how this will be a practical form of networking, it would be faster to read hexidecimal over the phone to the other end.

Not new... (1)

Quiezent (206373) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380135)

802.11b at 22Mbps isn't new. Another company called Artem ( does it as well. They have this access point operates as a bridge and access point at the sametime, it splits the available 22Mbps. Where as a conventional setup would require 2 seperate set of equipment.

New fine print (2, Funny)

Burdell (228580) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380136)

Soon to be seen on the bottom of USR wireless hardware boxes everywhere:
* Maximum speed 22Mbps, but FCC regulations restrict speed to 11Mbps.

Proxim doubled 802.11a last year... (1)

BobC (101861) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380206)

Late last year Proxim delivered their Harmony 802.11a PC-Cards that are capable of "2X" mode, which yields 108 Mbps. At the time, a 2X AP wasn't available, so I tested using two PC-Cards.

Unfortunately, the 5 GHz band used by 802.11a has trouble punching though anything much thicker than paper. I only obtained above 100 Mbps when standing within 8 feet of the other card. And that's with the antennas optimally aligned to each other.

Repeating the tests using 802.11b cards showed vastly better range at full bandwidth, and much better fade resistance.

We wanted to use 802.11a in 2X mode to send live 1500x1100 video about 50 feet. No way, no how.

I'm planning to try again when 802.11g ships. The 2.4 GHz band simply has much more "punch" within the limits of the 802.11 family of protocols.


Short summary of 802.11a, 11b, and 11g (3, Informative)

svindler (78075) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380665)

11Mbps at low cost. Many vendors.
802.11b operates in 2.4GHz, which collides with among other things, bluetooth, wireless phones, and microwave ovens.

Higher speed at 54 Mbps
Operates in 5 GHZ which is less used
New radios and antennas required if used to replace existing 802.11b network

Higher speed at 54 Mbps and includes backward compatibility to existing 802.11b equipment
Antennas can be resued if used to replace existing 802.11b network
Operates in 2.4GHz, which collides with among other things, bluetooth, wireless phones, and microwave ovens.
New radios required because of new chipsets

Sorry, I can't tell you whether a or g is going to replace b, and at what speed existing b users will change to new technology.

11a,b,g factoids (4, Informative)

xtp (248706) | more than 12 years ago | (#3380753)

11g is really 11a-style OFDM at 2.4 Ghz rather than the 5 Ghz band. There would be two (at least) 11g modes: a compatibility mode whereby OFDM packets and legacy 11b CCK packets coexist, and one which is "pure" OFDM at 2.4 Ghz.

The compatibility mode adds a huge overhead to each transmitted packet. An 11g transmitter in this mode must first complete a legacy 11b RTS/CTS operation on the air which, if successful, is followed by the actual packet. Even if the actual packet were transmitted at nearly infinite bandwidth, the effective bandwidth you'd see on a connection would be quite low - think 10 Mb/s on average. That's not exactly chopped liver and its way better than legacy 11b, but it's definitely not 54 Mb/s.

There are suprisingly large differences between 11a products, even those using the exact same vlsi chips. There are two primary reasons: differences in choice of output power amplifier (or lack thereof) and differences in choice of antenna.
You can deduce some of what's going on by looking
at power and sensitivity ratings in manufacturers product specs. By the way, this also a great way to distinguish between 11b products as well.

Second generation 11a products have much better receiver sensitivity and output power than the first generation versions. And they do transmit through walls... although not concrete or metal or mirrors or some ceramics.

The main reason why 11b can reach farther than 11a in some situations is that 11b can ratchet down to 1 Mb/s whereas 11a is defined for rates from 54 down to 6 Mb/s (11g is identical to 11a in this regard). The difference in SNR and sensitivity needed at a receiver to pick out the 11a or 11g signal accounts for nearly all of the differences in range ... and these differences are quite small if you have a good 11a radio with a good antenna.

Thus, 11g will have the same power, SNR, and receiver sensitivity challenges as 11a in the 5 Ghz band, but will also have a small boost in signal propagation efficiency in the lower band.
Don't get bamboozled by the hype about compatibility with 11b. Compatibility for sharing the channel does not imply that the radio properties of 11g are the same as 11b.

Most vendors are busy bringing out 11a+b base stations and NIC cards. 11g in compatibility mode looks like a nightmare, whereas 11g in "pure" mode looks like 3 more channels of high performance OFDM if you have an 11a radio that can tune to both the 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz bands. Aside from the higher-power outdoor channels at 5.8, this provides 11 channels for OFDM (8 at 5 Ghz plus 3).
And this means that a group of base stations in an AP-dense environment will certainly be able to find a clear channel.

I didn't say much about the PBCC-based 22 Mb/s products. PBCC is actually a clever design but is likely going to be overshadowed by OFDM at 5 Ghz (11a) and OFDM at 2.4 Ghz (11g variants).
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