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UK Lab Responsible for VNC To Close

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the we-have-the-way-in dept.

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NexUK writes "Guardian Online has an article about the imminent closure of the UK based AT&T lab , the place that brought us VNC, the popular desktop remote control system. The article talks about a nice "Toys" budget where the employees could buy gadgets without prior authorization." AT&T Strikes again, I'm surprised they haven't bought PARC and closed it down too.

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yup yup (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389435)

P0stus with the m0stus. This one goes out to Mayor McPenisman, wherever you are...

Apple promotes Darwinism, un-Christian like values (-1)

count_sporkula (446625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389489)

apparently ...

from theregister.co.uk :

Apple promotes 'Godless Darwinism and Communism'
By Drew Cullen
Posted: 22/04/2002 at 16:07 GMT

Dr. Richard Paley is a teacher of Divinity and something called Theobiology at Fellowship University, which we guess is somewhere in America.

He's a doughty fighter against anti-Christian hatecrimes, and a fierce opponent of Evolutionism. In his capacity as a member of the OBJECTIVE: Landover Baptist Shutdown ()Landover Baptist is a spoof publication) web site, Dr. Paley has written an article called Objective: Creation Education, an expose of evolutionist propaganda.

A prime exponent of such propaganda is - Apple.

The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (MacOS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under an "Open Source" license, which is just another name for Communism. They try to hide all of this under a facade of shiny, "lickable" buttons, but the truth has finally come out: Apple Computers promote Godless Darwinism and Communism.

Accompanying the article is a picture, captioned: "Hypnotically encased iMacs trick unsuspecting computer users into accepting Darwinism"

Apple, Dr. Paley notes was founded by long haired hippies, and has "consistently supported 60's counter-cultural 'values'".

But there are even darker undertones to this company than most are aware of. Consider the name of the company and its logo: an apple with a bite taken out of it. This is clearly a reference to the Fall, when Adam and Eve were tempted with an apple2 by the serpent. It is now Apple Computers offering us temptation, thereby aligning themselves with the forces of darkness3.

Apple exhibits cult-like qualities, its constant exhortation through advertising (i.e mind control', Dr Paley says) to 'think different' is disturbing. Think different from what?

"The disturbing answer is that they want us to think different than our Christian upbringing, to reject all the values that we have been taught and to heed not the message of the Lord Jesus Christ!".

In a short biog on the site, Dr Paley reveals that he has led "successful boycotts against Sears and Piggly-Wiggly and has spearheaded the movement to stop Evolutionism from being forced on the children of Marian County". His favourite passage from the Scripture is Genesis 1.

Clearly, Dr. Paley is not a man to be trifled with. We wonder what he would make of BOFH, the code name for the Bastard Operator from Hell? You can find his dissection of Apple here.

OBJECTIVE: Landover Baptist Shutdown, is looking for members to help "combat Americhrist Ltd. and other purveyors of anti-Christian bigotry on our Internet".
Its Web host is TruePath.com ("True Path your Christ-Centered Web host"). which seems real enough.

But what about Fellowship University? or Piggly-Wiggly? or Marian County? Or Dr. Paley? Is it the creation of Landover Baptist itself. A tribute site, even?

Update
Piggly Wiggly is real! It's a grocery chain with 600 outlets in 16 states and there's even a Web site at PigglyWiggly.com. ®

'Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under an "Open Source" license, which is just another name for Communism.'

hahahahha, this guy is brilliant....

Re:Apple promotes Darwinism, un-Christian like val (0, Offtopic)

Rewtie (552738) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389623)

Update Piggly Wiggly is real! It's a grocery chain with 600 outlets in 16 states and there's even a Web site at PigglyWiggly.com.

Does this suprise you?

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389438)

props to VNC i use it every day!

Re:fp? (1, Redundant)

n9hmg (548792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389466)

It can't die. It may not be as well-supported, but there are several other projects working on the "platform" (notably TightVnc [tightvnc.org] . I hope it isn't in some kind of freakish licensing where they go out of business in a fire sale, get bought by NA (remotely possible) or Symantec(pcanywhere) and locked away forever.

TightVNC is Good Version (5, Interesting)

elucidus (245536) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389443)

TightVNC [tightvnc.com] adds variable JPG compression and is optimized for slow connections.

Re:TightVNC is Good Version (0, Redundant)

Xofer D (29055) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389589)

TightVNC [tightvnc.com] adds variable JPG compression and is optimized for slow connections.
It was also broken when I tried it a couple months ago. It doesn't update the display properly, it fails to draw the display sometimes, and it just plain doesn't work. I tried it, then went back to plain old VNC.

Debian uses it. (1)

evil_one (142582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389622)

If it's good enough for The Debian project [debian.org] 's package maintainers, it's good enough for me. TightVNC is the offical VNC of the Debian project.

White and Smelly? (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389665)

Look mom! it's vaginal discharge! Yum Yum!

Re:Debian uses it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389959)

Well that's a stupid reason. How about this one: Windows is good enough for the world's richest man, Bill Gates, it's good enough for me.

SCREW AT&T! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389453)

Yeah its better to use Sprint! Those AT&T are sneaky bastards! Oh yeah, First post BITCHES!

Re:SCREW AT&T! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389479)

Wow, 4 minutes too late and still you think you have a FP... I'm surprised you can even tie your own damn shoes.

Re:SCREW AT&T! (0)

Rock 'N' Troll (566273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389521)

Linux is still a very bad oper-ass-ive system.

So what happens to VNC? (4, Informative)

shaldannon (752) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389455)

I think that's my biggest question. Luckily I've got a couple UNIX tarballs around, but that's just archival. Is development going to continue?

Re:So what happens to VNC? (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389467)

Hopefully it will find a new home on Sourceforge.

Re:So what happens to VNC? (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389511)

Oh Joy! so it can be butchered by amateurs? I can't wait!

Re:So what happens to VNC? (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389566)

Hardly. Sourceforge has source control like any other half-decent rig. Amateurs will butcher it only if someone foolishly lets them in the door. There will still be a project administrator (or many), so there will always be some sort of quality assurance.

Re:So what happens to VNC? (-1)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389661)

This assumes that the project administrator will not be an amateur.

Considering that we are talking about Sourceforge there is a 99.9999% chance that you will be wrong and VNC will end up like 99.9999% of the projects there: A half finished, worthless, Microsoft trailing, unworkable, unsupported, undocumented, lame, weak, buggy, crash prone, cobbled together, ugly, slow, annoying piece of shit that no one will ever use to anything productive at any time ever.

And VNC is pretty far along right now. If anyone can fuck it up, it'll be some guy who uses Sourceforge.

Re:So what happens to VNC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3390187)

If you are reading this, you most likely have no social skills.

hey! how'd you know that??!!! Dude!

Right, SF will always be around (2)

Cardinal (311) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390234)

Hopefully it will find a new home on Sourceforge.

Sure, because we all know SourceForge will continue running and providing free services to OSS projects after VA Linux^H^H^H^H^HSoftware runs out of money in a year or two.

Re:So what happens to VNC? (2)

cmowire (254489) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389468)

I'm hoping that the TridiaVNC folk are not the people who take it over.. They rubbed me the wrong way when I viewed their site.

Of course, this /is/ the advantage of open-source software. Unlike in the case of Blender, SOMEBODY can go on and develop new stuff with VNC, no prob.

Irony? (5, Funny)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389457)

When management shuts them down, will they do it in person or will they just pull up a remote terminal and shut them off that way?

Plans to Continue (1)

s.a.m (92412) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389459)

Are there any groups out there who are going to take up the vnc project and expand it any? Or is it basically a dead project that will remain as is due the fact it's been out for a while?

Re:Plans to Continue (1)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389487)

www.tightvnc.com [tightvnc.com]
You just have to look.

Re:Plans to Continue (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389831)

Look at the top post for this story...
I havent used plain VNC for over a year... TightVNC is better/faster/tighter than plain jane VNC.

VNC is GPL though. (1)

SuperBug (200913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389462)

So it should be relatively easy to get the source and start a new project, right?

Guess it could be worse... (1)

balamw (552275) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389490)

They could have been spun off to Lucent [yahoo.com] .

Where's the next PARC [xerox.com] , Bell Labs [bell-labs.com] , IBM [ibm.com] ?

I know all of these still exist in name at least, but they sure seem to be mere shadows of what they used to be...

And, no, I don't think it's MSFT [microsoft.com]

Balam

Re:Guess it could be worse... (2)

brad.hill (21936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389878)

Well, IBM is still producing record numbers of patents every year and doing lots of good research. I've been to a few OOPSLAs, and it seems like the research output from IBM's Watson Labs on object-oriented stuff is nearly equal to the rest of the world's academic facilities combined.

Tragic? Maybe. (2, Troll)

cloudscout (104011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389493)

Nothing terribly revolutionary has come out of the UK Research group recently... at least nothing publicly announced. The bulk of useful VNC development in recent years has been done by 3rd parties working with the open VNC sources.

While it's possible they could have come up with another killer product given their obvious talents, the dissolution of the group probably isn't that tragic for our industry.

Other's have already listed URLs pointing to 3rd party VNC products (both freeware and otherwise) so I won't repeat them here but it's definitely worth your while to seek some of them out and support their work.

Re:Tragic? Maybe. (2)

gorilla (36491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389582)

A lot of this sort of stuff you don't really know what was useful until 5,10 or more years later. Unix was originated around 1970, but it's usefulness didn't become widely aparent until 1978 or so. Engelbart's mouse was invented in 1963/1964, but wasn't patented until 1970, and didn't become widespread until after the PARC stuff in the late 1970s.

Tragic? (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389651)

I wanted to let you know that gorilla's turn me on, and im touching the monitor with my penis. That is all have a great day!

Re:Tragic? (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390242)

Daddy?

Re:Tragic? Maybe. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389677)

> Nothing terribly revolutionary has come out of the UK Research group recently...

Things that have come out of AT&T Labs Cambridge recently:

The Active Bat system, which can locate in 3D better than any other deployed system. They are using Bat transmitters as mice in the air, on 50 inch plasma screens. Now that's a cool interface.

A broadband phone, rolled out across the entire staff, which lets then see train timetables, share a doodling screen during phone calls, have active directories so that they can call the nearest phone to someone (c.f. Bat above)

At least visit their website [att.com] before you start trolling. You might even learn something.

VNC never was revolutionary (1)

lseltzer (311306) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389815)

Remote control software is a really, really old idea. There are at least a dozen commercial products for Windows that do the same thing and many of them are well over 10 years old. VNC is a nice program, and since it's GPL it will live on, but it was never revolutionary at anything. In fact, it's hard to see why AT&T spent any effort on it.

Re:VNC never was revolutionary (2)

cloudscout (104011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389850)

VNC wasn't supposed to be remote control software in the beginning. It was supposed to be the foundation of a thin-client computing environment.

Re:VNC never was revolutionary (3, Insightful)

4of12 (97621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390235)


VNC wasn't supposed to be remote control software in the beginning. It was supposed to be the foundation of a thin-client computing environment.

I swear, some of the best innovations are not carefully planned in advance, but spring forth from where you least expect them.

Re:VNC never was revolutionary (2)

HughsOnFirst (174255) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390203)

Whether it was more remote control software or a remote frame buffer or whatever isn't the interesting part.

What is interesting is that VNC could export a windows NT display to a palm pilot, or Amiga to Nokia 9000 or whatever.

I actually used the NT display on a palm pilot setup quite a bit

This stinks (3, Interesting)

Psiren (6145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389495)

I used to drive past this place every day on my way to work. I often used to wonder what a magical place it must have been to work in. I always hoped I'd get the chance to work there myself someday. Bang goes that idea. Strangely enough I can see the new Microsoft Research Centre from my flat. I guess that would be a cool place to work too, if it weren't for the owners. Cambridge has long been known for its hotbed of innovation. I'm sad to see us lose a bit of that.

Holy shit. . . . (5, Interesting)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389496)

I am still out of breath, my word, this is. . . . horrible. What the hell is AT&T thinking? Just the other day I was thinking to myself how nice it is that there is such a company still around that is willing to support pure research and development, but now. . . . holy shit.

VNC will live on, but what new ideas might have come this lab? What technology, what science, will now never be invented, or at the very least horribly delayed? This is awful, how could any company get pissy over intellectual property rights when there is so much more at stake? For crying out loud, shutting down not only one of the premier research labs in the world, but a (I think?) profitable one at that!

Look Mommy! (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389546)

I stuck my penis in the potato salad, want some?

Re:Holy shit. . . . (5, Interesting)

sagneta (539541) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389607)


What they think is that they are going out of business in the not-to-distant future.

The Gartner group claims that within 5 years AT&T will be purchased by another corporation and will cease to exist as a serpate corporate entity. The time frame might be optimistic, 5 years seems a bit soon, but the conclustion is indisputable. AT&T just began a 5-1 stock reverse split. First time in its history and the first for a DOW component. That's something that soon-to-be-delisted dot-coms do. Not DOW components.

How the mightly hast fallen.

I'm not sure if those outside the United States realize that MA-Bell is on her deathbed. In fact, amoungst the possible purchasers of the AT&T franchise are any number of the baby-bells such as Verizon or PacBell.

Thus the closing of the lab is just a
sign of AT&T's time. Telco in general is cratering within the United States. The internet is crushing the old to make way for the new.

I have to tell you that, honestly, AT&T had it coming for some time. I am sorry that many good people are getting squashed but the corporation as a while has done much to harm customers and prevent the movement towards the Internet in recent years.

In any event, so goes AT&T and so goes the lab.

Sorry guys.

Re:Holy shit. . . . (1)

pmsr (560617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389799)

"The internet is crushing the old to make way for the new."

What is the new? AOL/Time Warner? Well, talk about jumping from the pan into the fire.

/Pedro

Re:Holy shit. . . . (2, Interesting)

Nexx (75873) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389996)

The Gartner group claims that within 5 years AT&T will be purchased by another corporation and will cease to exist as a serpate corporate entity. The time frame might be optimistic, 5 years seems a bit soon, but the conclustion is indisputable. AT&T just began a 5-1 stock reverse split. First time in its history and the first for a DOW component. That's something that soon-to-be-delisted dot-coms do. Not DOW components

Exactly. AT&T said that they're doing the reverse 5-1 split to buoy their share price to above $10, so that institutional investors will be more interested in their stocks. However, most companies would've created a plan for buoying their share price to above $10/share instead of hatching this hare-brained idea.

It's sad to see a company like AT&T go, because of its history with the research labs, but you're right, they're hurting for money, and that's the real reason behind the closing of these labs (Bell Labs is now owned, in most part, by Lucent).

Re:Holy shit. . . . (3, Informative)

Combuchan (123208) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390084)

AT&T just began a 5-1 stock reverse split. First time in its history and the first for a DOW component. That's something that soon-to-be-delisted dot-coms do. Not DOW components.

You forget that stock value is just one barometer of measuring a company's strength. AT&T's stock is among the most widely held in America, with 3.545 BILLION shares outstanding as of 01 April 2002.

According to this [netscape.com] , AT&T employs 117,800 people, has massive properties (dialup, broadband, long distance ...) No dotgone ever had this magnitude. Plus the Gartner Group is wrong in their assessment of AT&T's future; they've been going under some restructuring in the past couple years and restructuring a company of AT&T's girth doesn't happen overnight.

Lastly, you get delisted from the NASDAQ or NYSE if your stock hovers below $1.00 for a while. AT&T currently trades at $13.75.

Re:Holy shit. . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389905)

Tax, is what AT&T is thinking.

That's why they bought the place 3 years ago, and now the minimum term for a tax write-off is up, they carry through and dump it.

Beancounters 1, Engineers 0.

What? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389505)

>> AT&T Strikes again, I'm surprised they haven't bought PARC and closed it down too.

Or at least buy Microsoft Research Labs and close it down.

Yes, how dare they! (0, Funny)

UVABlows (183953) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389506)

AT&T Strikes again, I'm surprised they haven't bought PARC and closed it down too.

Brilliant witticism! What jerks the guys at AT&T are for closing down something it wouldn't have been profitable to maintain. If only one of the slashdot editors had been there, maybe they could have helped save it. Let's have a gander, shall we:

AT&T Exec: Hmmm, looks like the lawyers drilled us, we can't afford to keep open that lab, we'll have to shut it down.
AT&T Employee/Slashdot Editor: No way MAN!! That place is COOL. You can't just like, shut it down, man.
AT&T Exec: You're fired.

6 months go by and the SE has not found another job....

Slashdot Editor's wife at work:
Wife: Hey MyBoss, looking good today, with a job and all.
Boss: Motel 6 at the corner of Cherry and Shamrock, room 35, 7pm.
Wife: You betcha!

SE's kid:
Kid: Mommy, how come you have a lot of meetings at the hotel with your boss?
Mom/Wife: Because your father is a limp-dicked loser and mommy needs some real play.
Kid: Daddy's a loser! Yay!

Later:
SE/Dad: Hey kid, wanna do something fun with me?
Kid: No way, you're a limpdick! I like mommy's new friend more, he gives REAL play mommy said. We're leaving tomorrow. No one likes you, not even your stuffed penguin.

Well folks, there you have it. Put on some shoes, clean the ejaculatory emissions off the keyboard and get a real job in the real world.

This totally blows... (1)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389515)

Another example of corporate idiocy! What these guys could have accomplished left to their own devices will now never be known. VNC is great, I use it for hours a day, and I don't know what I would do without it! AT&T should get their head out of their a$$ and fund this lab _more_, not ditch it altogether.

ISOTP (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389573)

IShitOnThisPost!

Re:This totally blows... (3, Insightful)

krlynch (158571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389660)

But how much did you PAY AT&T for VNC? They don't run this lab for your benefit alone ... they run it to make money. If in their cost-benefit analysis the lab is a liability to the corporation, then they have not only the right, but the fiduciary responsibility to shut it down. Just because a lab comes out with neat stuff doesn't mean there is a good reason for the owner to keep it open.

If you are so convinced that it is worth pouring money into, it shouldn't be that hard to find a group of investors willing to give you the cash to buy and run the place as you see fit. That's the way commerce works! The fact that no one is interested in buying the place indicates, to me at least, that it might not be such a valuable property as many comments seem to think it is....

Re:This totally blows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389706)

research labs are typically places where future products are developed. they dont bring in cash ASAP but usually have products for the parent company in 3-5 years.

Re:This guy is an idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389839)

intel wanted to buy it you idiot. didnt you even read the friggin article ?

Re:This totally blows... (1)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389871)

As much as I use VNC, I would be happy to pay ($50?) to use it and to encourage further development.

As far as investors giving me money, I don't think that will happen. You see, I ran this research lab that wasn't quite pulling it's weight, and well, you know the rest.....

The problem (1, Redundant)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389517)

I bet that a lot of these labs aren't "profitable." The average user, now, has little use for such devices. Most of my friends kind of wow over the x-window system, and that I can use my own computer remotely, or ssh for that matter.

So what happens? Well, 20 years from now, everyone will have keyboards over rf to their tv's with their computer interfaces on them. Today it's useful to me, so I have to rig it myself. None of them will want it for 20 years, because they don't have a "reason."

Re:The problem (1)

Zurk (37028) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389565)

the thing though is that these labs had the financial firepower to do research tightly focused at the commercial market. now the only people doing research are the people in universities who dont have the budget to do the nifty whiz bang gadgets..they do pure research only. which means a lot of university developed research will not be developed into whiz bang gadgets and hence improve the market place or the company stocks. it just means the public wont be able to buy really kewl new technology and companies wont make huge profits selling this technology. the effects are usually felt in 3-5 years or so when AT&T will find itself without any new products to develop since the research base has gone.
its a tragic loss. i hope someone can keep up the VNC GPLed tree at least.

The REAL Problem (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389616)

Is my lack of fiber, this shit is really going to tear me a new one.

No surprises here (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389518)

Take a look at what Telco stocks have been doing over the last year or so. They're looking under couch cushions in the employee lounge for spare change!

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what about omniORB?!?!?!?!?!? (3, Insightful)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389520)

Anyone know what'll happen to omniORB, the good C++ CORBA ORB produced outta bell labs?!

Re:what about omniORB?!?!?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389605)

CORBA's yesterday's news. XML RPC and SOAP. Learn them, live them, love them.

Re:what about omniORB?!?!?!?!?!? (3, Informative)

balneary (56298) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389648)

This is from the omniORB mailing list:

AT&T Laboratories Cambridge will close on 24 April. Some time before
that, the majority of the www.uk.research.att.com web site, including
the omniORB bits, will move to a new home at the LCE, part of
Cambridge University. Links to omniORB's web pages will continue to
work. The FTP site and the mailing lists will move too.

Re:what about omniORB?!?!?!?!?!? (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389761)

Ah, I unsubscribed recently. Good to know its going to live on. Thanks for the low-down!

VNC development should continue (2, Interesting)

compugeek007 (464717) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389526)

I bet the ATT lab FTP servers are going to be slammed for quite some time as source is being leeched by every sysadmin in the world.

I myself use VNC extensively for my network. Combined with SSH2 it makes a decent little VPN (plus it works in a browser window!)


OT, has anyone here gotten VNC to run in the Windows CE / PocketPC OS? I like the idea of controlling servers from my wireless PDA at home.

Re:VNC development should continue (2)

matth (22742) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389647)

Yeah I have it working on an HP-PC. (Pocket PC) Windows CE. It's not nearly full screen and on a 14.4 modem it's slow.. but I bet on a ethernet card on a cable modem it wouldn't be half bad. Speaking of which.. know of any ethernet cards that work with the Windows CE o/s?

Re:VNC development should continue (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389964)

Even better, get the PC-Card sleeve for the iPaq and put an 802.11b card in it, wireless palm based computer with the power to sync to your desktop and run things like VNC, pocket office, ssh, etc.

Re:VNC development should continue (1)

hemp (36945) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390006)

http://www.cewindows.net/wce/20/ethernet.htm
has a nice list of compatible ethernet cards.

Re:VNC development should continue (1)

Snotboble_ (13797) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389834)

Yep, it works just fine and you can pick it up here - http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/cevncviewer.htm l - before Wednesday, that is! :-(

oh, i see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389527)

Chrisd writes: "AT&T Strikes again, I'm surprised they haven't bought PARC and closed it down too"

Well Chrisd, /. is now taking subscription fees. How much of that money is going towards general research for the benifit of all mankind? what? none of it? Typical...

Thanks for using the GPL for VNC (1)

fetta (141344) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389530)

Thanks to the folks who decided to use the GPL for VNC.

They deserve a lot of credit for ensuring that their software would continue to be freely available to the world.

Does this have to do with... (1, Troll)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389538)

... the fact that it's illegal to use VNC with WindowsXP now? :)

source: WindowsXP License Agreement

Re:Does this have to do with... (1)

saarbruck (314638) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389705)

well, that, or perhaps Microsoft threatened to bump them up to a higher tier of the corporate pricing structure unless they divest themselves of GPL projects...

Moderaters smoke crack. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389985)

First posts marked redundant. Anything even slightly tangental is offtopic. Funny comments marked as troll or flamebait. Over-rated used on comments with only 1 or 2 mod points. And I'll only get to moderate once every few months? How am I supposed to be able to fix even a small part of it?

I've been eligible to meta-moderate for a week now, and I've not been allowed to m2 anything but positives.

I'm perilously close to dipping below 25, or I'd not post this AC. Christ, at the very least, let people vote on what should be m2'd first.

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This is what breeds true innovation... (4, Informative)

lw54 (73409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389557)

In Hopper's lab there was a rule that anyone could buy anything on his own authority so long as it cost less than £1,000. If you wanted something more expensive, you had to get another signature, but that was usually a breeze.

It was known colloquially as the 'toys budget' and it was, no doubt, sometimes used for frivolous purchases. But in the main it was not. And it meant that the lab's researchers always had the latest gizmos - and the freedom to take them apart and see how they worked.

My first thoughts were how on earth could management implement and afford a policy like this. But in the end, I thought true innovation requires liberal policies such as these.

The dotCOM era was full of excess, perhaps too much so, but this is proof that there are still companies out there striving to be the best.

Re:This is what breeds true innovation... (2, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390047)

Well when a Purchase Order costs ~$250 total to cut I can see why they would do this. Where I work most people have a Visa card that they can put small purchases, up to $5,000 on. This way the admin cost is greatly reduced and the employee can be more productive by getting what he needs when he needs it, not after 3 managers and a vp sign off plus it goes through finance.

Re:This is what breeds true innovation... (2)

swb (14022) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390162)

Wow, $1500 per thing? And no annual cap?

My guess about management's tolerance would be that it was seen as an expense budget and not a capital budget, although who knows what the accounting rules are in AT&T or the UK.

If you just said $150k expense budget for toys and nobody asks for shit like $5k desks, new chairs, carpeting/paint maybe it would work out.

Lame header (4, Troll)

wakaramon (301145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389574)

"UK Lab Responsible for VNC To Close" is lame.
A better header would be "AT&T Kills Lab that Created VNC".

The "UK Lab" is responsible for VNC, not for its closure. AT&T is responsible for closing the lab.

Re:Lame header (3, Insightful)

Pfhreakaz0id (82141) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389795)

Indeed. That head is horribly passive. Want real headlines? Read a reputable newsource ... where real editors with real journalism backgrounds write the headlines. Headline writing is part art, part science and it definitely requires some dedication.

Re:Lame header (1)

nexUK (575458) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389897)

Your comment is bloody pedantic. "AT&T Kills Lab that Created VNC" is hardly the Queens English either!

Re:Lame header (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3390019)

This is off-topic of course, but aren't headlines written by the submitting reader? And isn't all this nitpicking?

Re:Lame header (1)

nexUK (575458) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390086)

exactly, I was the guy who submitted, and it was info that I thought that slashdot readers would want to read. I didnt expect someone to nitpick over the headline.. I wont bother next time....

What a shame... (3, Insightful)

MonkeyBot (545313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389596)

AT&T research facilities are wonderful, magical places that shouldn't be allowed to shut down or see their demise. These things should be heavily subsidized by the government. Bell Labs (now Lucent) is going down the shitter, and AT&T is closing the research labs that they still own. AT&T's research facilities (Bell in particular) are the people that brought us things like Unix, the laser, and the transister, not to mention countless other things. It's a real shame that they are closing down these facilities--like the article says, research facilities are delicate organisms, and they can't be reassembled after you've broken them up.

Pork tastes best when: (-1)

Rock 'N' Troll (566273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389598)

You buttfuck some Anal Cocks!

There's been more to them than VNC... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389629)

We do not just owe them the VNS stuff, but also things like omnyORB, one of the free CORBA implementations available. And moreover, have you ever looked at such fine projects as PEN or CLAN over at their site? Less of practical use for the meek of us, but really interesting and insightful. A shame they will get shut down...

VNC ./'ed already (1)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389643)

I've never used VNC, but was planning to use it in a current project-- thought I'd download it and start experimenting with it next week sometime. When I saw this, I went to the site and downloaded all the files I'd need. When I first got there, the downloads were quick, but just in the time it took me to download 4-8 files, the response time slowed quite a bit.

Re:VNC ./'ed already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389752)

wow thanks for the play by play of you being a dumbass. without such quality comments like yours on /. i don't think people would come here.

vnc users forum (-1, Troll)

christfokkar (575436) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389653)

Fortunately, it looks like AT&T's rather permissive licensing of VNC may allow the project to continue after the lab's demise. This site [cjb.net] has a pretty good discussion of some of the ways that other people inside AT&T might be able to keep the project afloat, and possibly even convince the behemoth to open-source this great little program.

WARNING : GOATSE.CX LINK !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3389728)

dont follow it.

Toys Budgets Anyone? (3, Interesting)

squaretorus (459130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389680)

Does anyone else have a toy budget - surely the /. crew do?

We have a CD budget at work - idea being that we all listen to CDs all the time and if anyone takes on in it gets assimilated into the office collection so we ended up buying replacements all the time.

By having a 'CD a week' thing anyone can order up a new CD on the Amazon account whenever they like. Beats being able to take money out of petty cash for milk!

Costs what - 50 x £20 a year and keeps us happier than a bunch of pigs in poop!

Ungrateful Users (3, Funny)

MarkedMan (523274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389754)

One reason that companies are reluctant to provide ongoing public services is that when they discontinue them, instead of getting kudos for all they contributed, they get negative reaction for pulling support.

Re:Ungrateful Users (1)

Quickening (15069) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390009)

snort. And we're supposed to be grateful for them shutting down?!

VNC was a community effort. It ran on so many different platforms because of outside support.

Re:Ungrateful Users (1, Flamebait)

benedict (9959) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390093)

Prove it.

I have a mirror of VNC up (3, Informative)

Squeezer (132342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389802)

The Linux and Windows Source and binaries plus docs

http://free.house.cx/~adam/vnc

Buying out and closing down PARC (2, Interesting)

wjr (157747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389892)

I don't think there'a ny need for AT&T to buy out and close down PARC - Xerox seems to be doing a good enough job of that. They've been trying to sell it to venture capitalists for a while, with a notable lack of success. I don't think that PARC will last another 12 months, which is very sad.

Xerox also has (had?) a research lab in Cambridge, colloquially known as EuroPARC. I visited there a few times and saw some quite neat stuff.

Olivetti was the creator. and its not dead anyway. (4, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389896)

ATT only bought them and changed the source to reflect ownership. they *created* nothing.. barely even a bug fix since the buyout..

Thats why groupls like tightVNC ( gpl ) or TridiaVNC ( commercial ) came about.. and will continue it far into the future..

Its not going anywhere.. do some homework people.

Still sad, though anyone could see it coming...

Thank you AT&T (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389947)

thanks for letting them create and Release VNC as a GPL'd item.

it was a great ride... and thanks for the freebies.

-1 misinformative (2)

benedict (9959) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390045)

They did that before AT&T bought them.

Will the next "Bell Labs" be named SourceForge? (1)

ScrewTivo (458228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3389982)

If anyone stops and looks around to see where innovation is happening they will surely see the Open Source community cranking! I bet if you look real close you'll see all the top names spying on the Open Source comm. and trying to "out patent" them:)

Bummer no Broadband Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3390174)

The broadband phone:

http://www.uk.research.att.com/bphone/

This was one of my favorite projects, something our company would buy today,,,I had asked them about a month ago if they had any expected release date, no was the answer guess the closing of the lab had something to do with it.

Hopefully AT&T will license the rights to some company to produce them.

Anyone remember Interchange? (1)

EdlinUser (50699) | more than 12 years ago | (#3390186)

An AOL type network (Great GUI, lots of content and downloads).
AT&T bought it just before it was released and killed it a
few months later. I was a beta tester; I had such high
hopes for Interchange.
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