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Hardball Tactics For The Geek Lobby

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the freeze-your-snowballs-of-love dept.

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sfjoe writes: "The San Francisco Chronicle has this story on how to effectively make the point about online freedom of speech. In a nutshell, until a legislator gets slapped around (electorally-speaking) for kowtowing to the narrow corporate interests, nobody in Congress will take online civil liberties seriously. On the other hand if, for example, Senator Disney gets his balls whacked (electorally-speaking), monstrosities like the DMCA will start getting bottled up in congressional committees. The NRA has been doing this for years and it works."

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"Online Privacy" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391276)

Sounds good to me.

I would glady trade my privelege of "online privacy" (whatever that means) in order to live safely in a world free of terror.

What makes you think that you have some inherent right to "online privacy" or "online freedom"? I don't see that in the bill of rights or the constitution itself, do you?

We are living in a new era. Get used to it or go somewhere else⦠Delta is ready when you are.

Re:"Online Privacy" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391321)

I don't see an explicit right to put online privacy in quotes either, you are now sentanced to death. Good Day (Hint Supreme Court Decides the law, and they are in thier rulings)

Re:"Online Privacy" (2, Insightful)

sfjoe (470510) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391324)

What makes you think that you have some inherent right to "online privacy" or "online freedom"? I don't see that in the bill of rights or the constitution itself, do you?

Yes, I do. Go back and re-read your US Constitution. Pay particular attention to 9th Amendment. The right to privacy has long been understood to be one of the unenumerated rights.

Re:"Online Privacy" (2, Insightful)

rand0mx (548320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391345)

because the government watching everything we do we free us from 'terror' right? i'm not willing to give up any privacy, online or otherwise. The world will never be free of terror because humans, in general, are far from civilized. Human beings killing ourselves is not something the government can control through the spying on people on the Internet or through any other means.

Congratulations... (1)

owlmeat (197799) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391382)

First post and biggest fscking troll in one.

Re:"Online Privacy" (1)

Angram (517383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391520)

If you wish to trade your right to privacy (as noted above to be in the Bill of Rights), do so for yourself. The entire country doesn't need to go along with you in this, and more to the point, the whole world. If a guy in Zaire wants to look for some sexual explicit material, what business is it of the FBI's? Heck, if I want to look for it, why should I fear "Big Brother" is watching? Terrorism doesn't stop when you monitor a communicaitons medium. Messages can be sent in as simple a way as a post on a message board saying some nonsense word, no one would know it. Also, if the groups that don't want to be watched know they're being watched, they'll simply use a different medium. Picking up a pay phone isn't all that hard to do, and no one's listening in there. All in all, online privacy is my right. Without a warrant, the government shouldn't be able to get info from any domestic server. If it's international, enter the UN.

a joke! (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391281)

q: why does your mom suck the mailman's cock?

a: because she's a filthy slut!

Re:a joke! (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391308)

i thought of another one

q: how is your mom like a filthy slut?

a: your mom acutally is a filthy slut!

Re:a joke! (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391341)

I just thought of another one

So your mom is at the supermarket and the clerk says "wow, you sure are a filthy slut!" and your mom says "yeah, you're probably right"

i got a million of 'em

Re:a joke! (-1)

Anal Cocks (557998) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391380)

Q: Why does Anal Cocks take cocks up his anus?
A: Because he's a filthy gayboi slut!!

Re:a joke! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391451)

Is no one getting these jokes?

Here's one that's more accessible to slashdot's readers:

q: What's the best linux distro to use for an IMAP server?

a: your mom is a filthy slut!

Seriously? (1)

Warped-Reality (125140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391284)

Isn't this kind of a statement of the obvious?

Politicions don't really care about the corporations unless it helps them get elected. If helping civil liberties gets them elected, that's what they'll go for.

Re:Seriously? (2)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391326)

There's a chicken/egg situation here. A politician that kowtows to corporate interest gets access to a nice fat warchest. With which they can go out and purchase expensive television ads that allow them to spin their record appropriately (as defenders of the economy, friends of the artist, warriors against crime, etc.) Public perception costs money.

Re:Seriously? (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391540)

That reminds me of a joke.

Q: Why does a chicken coop have two doors?
A: Your mom is a slut.

I kill me.

Re:Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391333)

No they will go for Corporations when thier brother (son-in-law, uncle, whore, bestial companion, etc.) runs them, which seems to happen a lot.

NRA? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391285)

The *NRA* has been using this for years?

How about the Brady Bill? Anyone remember that? Our Second Amendment rights are being chipped away every minute Congress is in session!

Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (5, Insightful)

chrisd (1457) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391286)

So it's like this, would you say to yourself "X's policies on abortion are reprehensible, but since he is for freedom on the net, I'll vote for him" and vice versa?

That's the essence of the NRA, their membership votes guns, so the question is are there enough people to vote geek? (and pay a real membership fee)


Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (1)

InferiorFloater (34347) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391339)

No, it's more like this:

"X's policies on online freedom are reprehensible, so run a big ad campaign against him and make sure he doesn't get reelected."

It's more about negative reinforcement for our congressmen then about prioritizing issues.

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (2, Informative)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391437)

That's not how the NRA works, that's how Gun Owners United work.

I'm an NRA member BTW.

The NRA has 7 million people that fork over money, they are thus a powerful organization that uses that money to advertise and influence the local, state and national elected officals.

All the stories in Time and Newsweek and sigs on Slashdot about things like the Copyright Bill and the DMCA don't get the attention of people like the buzz of a large political organization IMO.

I might join an Organization that is a Tech PAC. And even pay money.

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391663)

The fact that the NRA has 7 million people with guns on their members list doesn't hurt in the influence department either.

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391384)

Yes. I know I am, and I think there are enough geek supporters out there to make an impact on an election... or spread a decent smear campaign if necessary.

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391429)

God forbid we should have another knee-jerk single-issue litmus test for our legislators. The very reason we have sound-bite spewing, poll-driven politicians who manage to say very little of substance in the space of many pretty-sounding words is BECAUSE of single-issue voters.

So we end up with people who are great on privacy and free speech. So what! What if they're also xenophobic anti-environmental nut cases who wanna use taxpayer money to teach kids about Jesus?

If you only ever focus on one issue, you're going to lose out on all of the others. You also get locked into a bipolar polital spectrum on that issue, where there are only two acceptable positions on the given issue, both of which are probably wrong. Reasonable positions are unacceptable to both parties involved.

Case in point: abortion (-1; Flamebait).

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (1)

davidcorny (467721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391605)

"So we end up with people who are great on privacy and free speech. So what! What if they're also xenophobic anti-environmental nut cases who wanna use taxpayer money to teach kids about Jesus?"

Well... the idea is that certain issues are generally linked together. I'd like to clearly state that I am not for simply drawing a line between "liberal" and "conservative" and then distributing all issues on either side; but one has to admit that certain issues can commonly be found on either side.

I'd like to say I agree with you on the single-issue ordeal; but if a candidate as the one you described becomes a famous, then that doesn't mean we HAVE to vote for him or her. That's just the problem, people seem to think they only have limited options.

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391439)

I think it largely depends on the weight of the issues to the voter. If we, as voters, make online privacy, the defeat of the DMCA, etc, our priority and vote that way it will get politician's attention.

Another thing that should happen is that more of us (and by "us" I mean the average slashdot reader - not mom and pop AOL) should actually seek office.

Sure, it's expensive, but somebody's got to bring down jackasses like Hollings, Feinstein, Daschle, Leahy, and Biden. Not to mention Jeffords..

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (1)

MrZaius (321037) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391585)

>are there enough people to vote geek

I would and have, but surprisingly my vote seems to have gone unheard. Mr. Brown lost every state to an anti-geek presidential candidate.

Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (2)

Fat Casper (260409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391654)

I see where you are coming from, but I don't think anyone with real feelings about freedom (net or meatspace) will have reprehensible views on abortion. Of course, no one with real feelings about freedom would have voted for the USAPATRIOT act. Or the DMCA.

Screw it, folks. I don't care if you vote geek or not; just fucking vote! We'll get better government if we vote instead of whine. I do both- voting just shows that I actually care about what I'm whining about.

It doesn't matter if *we* would vote... (1)

chennes (263526) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391705)

The question IS NOT if any one of us would vote for the opposing candidate. While it may seem only slightly different, the point is that we are not encouraging any single candidate, but rather obliterating another. There will always be some issues on which you disagree with both of them. So we are running issue-ads about one specific thing. The point is to MAKE AN EXAMPLE out of someone, so that the rest will think twice. So we're not even talking about voting for a candidate - that's just the byproduct of the smear.

Excellent Point (5, Interesting)

Stephen VanDahm (88206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391665)

Warning: this post is seeping with my political views, many of which are controversial. I'm using them as an example, not to try to convert folks or pick a fight.

I'm from Senator Disney's home state. Hollings is a Democrat, so voting against him means voting for a Republican. In other states, this might not be a problem -- there are a lot of moderate Republicans in the Senate that I respect, even if I disagree with some of their opinions. Unfortunately, they aren't on the ballot in South Carolina. Republican politicians in the South are fucking scary. If anyone doubts this, think about Strom Thurmond (segregationist), Jesse Helms (well-known racist), and Trent Lott (pork-barelling thug). I don't know if I can vote for a Southern-style Republican after seeing what damage out-of-control conservativism has done to the South.

In effect, saying "no" to Hollings is saying "yes" to the religious right, "yes" to corporate welfare, "yes" to the war on drugs, "yes" to irresponsible military expenditures (that, unlike much government spending, do nothing to grow the economy), "yes" to wiretapping the Internet, "yes" to mandatory censorware in libraries and schools, and the list goes on. It means saying "no" a woman's right to an abortion, "no" to affirmative action, "no" to spending money on public education, "no" to space research, "no" to any and all liberal social programs. You may not have a problem with all of these issues, but if any one of them is dear to your heart, you've got a real dilemma.

I'm a CS student, and I hope to work in software development one day, but frankly, if I never saw another computer again, or never bought another CD, I could live a happy and rewarding life doing something else. However, I don't think I could, in good conscience, advance a destructive conservative agenda just so I can use Linux instead of Windows, or use a traditional, uncrippled PC. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm just saying that I can't, and that many people won't. Technology issues are important, but is it worth abandoning everything else that I believe in just to vote a few (OK, a lot of) crooked Democrats out of office? Sadly, I don't think so.

We have a couple of choices, in my view. We can lobby in the traditional manner -- attempting to purchase influence via campaign donations. This is very expensive, and we'll get spanked by Microsoft and Disney, but maybe it will work if we generate enough public awareness. Barring that, we could just leave. I question whether other countries are still scrambling for computer programmers, but frankly, I'd go to Scandinavia or the Netherlands in a heartbeat if I could.

I hate that this sounds so negative, but I'm pretty demoralized about the whole thing -- it would be interesting to see if someone comes up with a solution.


Re:Would you being willing to Vote Geek? (1)

037 (309843) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391672)

Reading the other posts, I have to say that this is the proper direction to be arguing. If you look at the political action groups that stricke the most fear in political chest cavities (hearts being absent), it's groups with religious or near-religious fervour.

The NRA, the Anti-abortion lobby, these people are fanatics. Political fanatics who are willing to spend a lot of time, effort, and money on nothing but a particular looney belief.

As much as I am devoted to liberties of information and so on, it's not the sort of thing that makes me want to scream, weep, and get into a club devoted to. As much as I'd love to spend a few bucks, this isn't the actual right route.

No one is ever going to be intimidated by a group of geeks because (and I know none of us get to hear this often, so relish it) we have a life. Compared to members of the Christian right or other highly-motivated looneys, we have a life.

Note, for example, that the feminst lobby doesn't exactly have politicians shaking in their boots. There are more women then there are geeks. Instead of trying to beat entertainment concerns dollar for dollar, it would make more sense to spend your time and energy on campaign-finance reform. That's the whole problem here. That's the battle that needs fighting.

BackLog (1, Troll)

tenman (247215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391294)

yeah, i can see it now... the courts will become as backlogged as the patent system. There will be infrengments that lose the media they are infrenging on, before they can make it into court, and the only people that will be makeing money off of this law (as with all laws) are the phat lawyers that will take everybodies money.

Re:BackLog (2)

JesseL (107722) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391375)

What in hell are you talking about? This article is talking about geeks being more active in political issues that concern geeks, esp. with regard to raising support against politicians who act contrary to geek interests.

Re:BackLog (2)

tenman (247215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391443)

I was just say'en that I this artical made me think about how the courts could become so clogged with DMCA cases that the law itself could become impotent. the DMCA is not a that the government can't enforce because they can't catch the us, but rather they can't enforce it because the culture is such that there isn't enought court dockets to hold all of the violators on trial. I am etreamely interested in what politician are doing, and I thought that the two comments has something to do with each other.

Sorry :)

Re:BackLog (1)

JesseL (107722) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391516)

Ah, that makes more sense now. Thanks.

A link to the "manifesto" (2, Informative)

burrows (112035) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391300)

Read the manifesto here. [] .

Vote with your /.ing for starters...

Reminds Me of What John Bonham Used to Say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391318)

"Who are our enemies? Who are our friends? This is a question of the first importance for the revolution. The basic reason why all previous revolutionary struggles in rock-n-roll achieved so little was their failure to unite with real friends in order to attack real enemies. A heavy riff is the guide of the masses, and no revolution ever succeeds when the heavy riff leads them astray. To ensure that we will definitely achieve success in our revolution and will not lead the masses astray, we must pay attention to uniting with our real friends in order to attack our real enemies. To distinguish real friends from real enemies, we must make a general analysis of the economic status of the various classes in rock-n-roll society and of their respective attitudes towards the revolution.

No wonder AC/DC sucked so bad after he died!

Re:Reminds Me of What John Bonham Used to Say (1)

schuster (39361) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391619)

Are you an idiot or a troll? (Is there a difference?) For those (hopefully few) who don't know, it was Bon Scott that was the AC/DC front man and John Bonham played drums in Led Zeppelin. As it turns out, both are now dead, though AC/DC continues to rock. Brian Johnson is no Bon Scott, but he's good enough to keep AC/DC hella fun to listen to.

Bzzzt. Try Again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391655)

Brian Johnson is no Bon Scott, but he's good enough to keep AC/DC hella fun to listen to.

That's Brian Jones, you dipshit!

Only Half!!! (2) (142825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391320)

You must have a stick and carrott.

They do talk about providing money to candidtates that help. But, there is more than just money.

People can question the bad candidates about their position and publically humiliate them.

People can use the web to expose the i>bad candidates.

And the carrot would be the publicity and assitance for the good candidtates. Money helps, but it takes more.

I'm begging.... (5, Insightful)

mikosullivan (320993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391328)

... please let's not call it the "Geek Lobby". Even if we use the term amongst ourselves, it just won't fly for the general public.

Re:I'm begging.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391356)

I suggest Natural Equal Rights for Digerati instead.

Re:I'm begging.... (2)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391360)

The bad news is that the most effective name would probably be (gulp) "The CyberFreedom Lobby."

I feel dirty.

definitely (2)

Trepidity (597) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391370)

Especially when other terms like "Tech Lobby" are so readily available and better understood by the general public. When an average person thinks "geek" they likely think either "pimply-faced kid who sits around all day playing either Diablo 2 or Dungeons & Dragons" or if they're too old to think that they think "carnival freak who bites the heads off chickens."

Now "technology" on the other hand is a word whose meaning is mostly understood by the general public (even if the technology itself usually isn't...).

Re:I'm begging.... (2)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391374)

Sounds good to me. The name won't matter, we have our man:

Senator Disney.

Read the following quote what we are going to do with him, all else is irrelevant:

When the National Rifle Association, or the Christian Coalition or Emily's List, for that matter, want action on an issue, the strategists behind those well-run groups usually pick a smart fight with one or more of their key opponents. They target their resources to just those specific races, sometimes to just one race. Rather than give 200 politicians $1,000 each, the savviest PACs instead will spend $200,000 or more kicking the bejesus out of just one single office holder.

Re:I'm begging.... (5, Insightful)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391403)

The problem is that Senator Disney's consituency is in South Carolina. We will never get enough critical mass together to threaten his lock on his voter base - not enough of the right demographic is there (and please, all 5 of you in Columbus and Charleston, don't take umbrage.)

The person whose cage we should be rattling is in California. Dianne Feinstein. I'm a Democrat, yet I don't vote for her. She's generally vulnerable on civil liberties issues. If we could threaten her seat, it would make a lot of people sit up and take notice.

Re:I'm begging.... (1)

einstein (10761) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391419)

The problem is that Senator Disney's consituency is in South Carolina. We will never get enough critical mass together to threaten his lock on his voter base - not enough of the right demographic is there (and please, all 5 of you in Columbus and Charleston, don't take umbrage.)

maybe redhat could move south?

Re:I'm begging.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391420)

We will never get enough critical mass together to threaten his lock on his voter base

Never underestimate the power of a little child pr0n.

Right. Let's make an example of someone (3, Informative)

sl956 (200477) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391695)

The person whose cage we should be rattling is in California. Dianne Feinstein.
That's damn right. From 1997 to 2002, she raised $22,750 from Disney (4th contributor) and $18,100 from AOLTW (7th contributor). I think GeekPAC can raise much more than that. And throwing that money on his opponent would be a good complement to grassroot actions (grin). I don't like senators to be for sale, but so it is. Then why not just buy them ?

disclaimer: I sent my check to GeekPAC two days ago, and I'm not even an american citizen. So what are you waiting for ?

Re:I'm begging.... (1)

Heironymus Coward (548839) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391706)

The person whose cage we should be rattling is in California. Dianne Feinstein. I'm a Democrat, yet I don't vote for her.

the problem is: feinstein has the democratic nomination locked down.

this means that the only challenge to her continued reign-of-terror would be a republican. aside from the moral problem with voting republican, they are even more beholden to corporate interests than feinstein.

as the saying goes: democrats tell you they're on your side, then screw you over. republicans are honest about it, though.

Re:I'm begging.... (2)

MeNeXT (200840) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391503)

Now this is someting we all know. We've been on the receiving end through school so we should be able to dish it out.

Now I can say look mom I learned someting in high school...I learned how to be a BULLY

Re:I'm begging.... (2)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391405)

... please let's not call it the "Geek Lobby". Even if we use the term amongst ourselves, it just won't fly for the general public.

Why not the "Geek Lobby"? If you look around society recently, you'll find that "geek" no longer has the negative connotations that it use to. Take, for example, Comedy Centrals boring game show "Beat the Geeks" (which should be called Pop-culture Trivia Extravaganza, I mean seriously, a South Park geek? C'mon... but I digress). The "geeks" are recognized as the experts they are. And aren't ridiculed. Call it Geek Pride, call it a social movement towards a technocratic society, but there's nothing wrong these days with the word "Geek". Be proud of what you are. Embrace your trackball. Tell your friends how quickly you reached the karma cap on slashdot. Go out into the sun with your pasty-white arms raised on high and cry out to the world "I AM GEEK...WATCH ME CODE". And let the world tremble...for we are coming.

Re:I'm begging.... (1)

allism (457899) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391474)

Sure, go ahead and proudly proclaim yourself a geek loudly while you go ask that girl in the grocery store for a date--and I'm not talking about the girl with no social skills and glasses thicker than yours. Let me know if she runs screaming or kicks you in the balls.

Re:I'm begging.... (1)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391582)

Sure, go ahead and proudly proclaim yourself a geek loudly while you go ask that girl in the grocery store for a date--and I'm not talking about the girl with no social skills and glasses thicker than yours. Let me know if she runs screaming or kicks you in the balls.

Regardless of the girl in the grocery stores' reply, my wife will probably be the one to kick me in the balls. ;)

please (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391426)

Please, please, can i spend all my karma to get this post at a score:10?

"Geek" is just not a good word to describe this. Slashdot users use that word so often they forget *it means something totally different in the real world*. On slashdot, "geek" means "a person of an intellectual bent who is interested in science or computer esoterica, and open to internet subculture." That's JUST to slashdotters. To EVERYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE, geek means "geek". You know, a perjorative term for a person who thinks they're really intelligent but has no social skills.

This is a problem becuase the point of a geek lobby, or of the GeekPAC that they had those stories on a couple weeks ago, is to communicate to people who don't read slashdot and don't know what "source code" is and don't know what the slashdot definition of "geek" is. Thus, if a geek lobby cannot figure out how to communicate with "the norms" in their own language, it becomes absolutely pointless. Can ANYONE come up with a better name for this? Even "open source lobby" would be better, even though it doesn't quite cover the issues at hand, because it doesn't sound so.. geeky.

"Open Computing Lobby"?
"Computer End-user Forum"?
"Copyright Fair Use PAC"?
"Americans for Consumer Freedom"?

It doesn't matter. All i know is that in my dictionary, "geek" is defined as "a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake". This is not how i want my political views being presented to society at large.

Re:I'm begging.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391465)

It's so simple:


Violence is the answer (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391342)

I've said it before and I'm going to keep saying it. Online petitions don't get noticed. Peaceful protests aren't effective. Since every news outlet is owned by our enemies, they will simply ignore us and we will continue to go unnoticed by the general public. The way to get the message across is to take to the streets. Turning over cars and smashing windows will guarentee us media coverage. They cannot ignore it at that point. Violent protests get attention. We need to start some fires and loot some businesses before the media will take us seriously. Also violent protests create plenty of sympathisers who are for anything "the man". If they see someone being beaten by the police on TV, they are going to take our side. It worked in Seattle for the WTO protesters. They probably would have got no attention if it weren't for the violence and the police brutality. It can work for us. Grab your baseball bat and molitov cocktail and lets go cause some damage. They can't ignore us forever.

Gay LOTR fanfic! (-1, Troll)

Fanfic Troll (575340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391343)

Frodo sat with the rest of the Fellowship at a fork in the path. Gandalf sat up top, pondering the past. Frodo sat bored, like the others. A noise behind him startled him and he turned to look down into the dark abyss. A small dark creature was jumping up the stairs to where they sat. He ran up to Gandalf who was sitting in deep thought.

"There's something down there!" he gasped out.

"It's Gollum," Gandalf responded.

"Gollum?" Frodo could hardly believe his ears.

"He's been following us for three days," Gandalf said calmly.

"He escaped the dungeons of Arabdul?" Frodo asked earnestly.

"Escaped, or was set loose," Gandalf said and looked up to meet Frodo's gaze.

"He hates and loves the ring, as he hates and loves himself. He will never be rid of his need for it."

Frodo lay pondering his memories of Gandalf, choking back tears that wanted to come. The rest of the Fellowship lay quiet in their slumber; they were safely hidden and protected in the forest of Lorien. Finally asleep crept over him.

He woke with a start and sat up. He looked around and found himself in a cave of some sort. He could hear the soft splash of water against a shore, though he couldn't see anything. The hard, cold stone beneath him made him visibly shiver and he was met with a purring voice in his ear.

"Is it cold, my preciousss?"

A rancid, hot breath streamed over his neck, and though he could not see its origin, he knew its owner. He shivered again and realized he now sat only in his shin-length pants. A second breath swept across his skin, though this time it was much closer and directed to his ear. He froze as his ear was taken hostage by two leathery but surprisingly warm lips gently tugging and sucking it. A warm rough hand traced his other ear. It was strange that this creature knew his weak spot.

He succumbed to the touch and suckling and lied down once again on the stone floor. His eyes closed, though it made no difference in the darkness, as those lips traced down his cheek to his neck, where they continued their massage. Frodo slowly licked his lips as he began to get unexpectedly aroused by the wet, soft touch. He was soon caught off his guard when that mouth betrayed him and bit and sucked hard. At first, his reaction was to pull away from it, but soon it too became quite arousing and the pain evoked great fires in him. He let out a soft moan as Gollum sucked hard on his neck.

"It likes this, yesss, my preciousss," Gollum whispered in the nearest ear while pausing for a moment. He suddenly attacked another part of the innocent white flesh in front of him, which sent Frodo into an arch and a gasp.

Frodo did not know how to respond to this at all. It was incredibly arousing, yet incredibly strange. His face became more and more contorted with pain as Gollum began to bite harder on an already sore spot. But Frodo could not make his vocal chords work to tell him to stop. It felt so good and the pleasure and pain mixed into an intoxicating poison that tempted him to no end.

The pain felt so good. It washed over him in spasms and his chest felt heavy. It was a different kind of heavy than the ring. This weight pierced him. It devoured him and made him feel as though he was sinking into a dark abyss where there was no escape and no hope. He heard a voice whispering to him. Who's it was, he could not tell, for Gollom was ensnared by his exposed throat and he did not sense another soul around for a mile. This voice seemed to be speaking in his head, telling him that it was over. Everything was gone now and there was no hope. Pain twinged in his soul and it began to swallow him up. He arched into Gollom's grasp and let the pain wash over him again. The sensation outweighed that in his chest and he begged for more pain from Gollum.

Gollum responded by dragging his coarse fingertips across the smooth milky skin that lay before him. He bit harder and grabbed Frodo's hair and pulled him up and into his mouth. He began to bite hard enough to draw blood and a trickle dribbled down from Frodo's shoulder. Gollum wiped up a large drop onto his forefinger and touched it to Frodo's lips.

Frodo opened his lips hungrily. He felt Gollum rub it on his lips and he licked them. Frodo did not move, but let the creature lick his lips and felt him kiss and nibble his way down his face and sore neck to his torso. Gollum began to devote his lips to the two stiff nipples on the hobbit's chest. He licked slowly around one and bit softly. He repeated this on the other and then nibbled and bit his way downward while raking his fingers down Frodo's arms and chest.

Once Gollum found his new treasure, he began to tenderly but eagerly stroke it and lick and kiss it. Frodo's face twisted into different expression with each new sensation washing over his body. The roughness of his hands, the smoothness of his tongue and the overall warmth was driving Frodo wild and he began to wriggle under the leathery creature pleasuring him.

Gollum didn't bite much here, but he did nibble and he found that Frodo liked this very much. He continued and quickened his motions and finally Frodo came into Gollum's mouth. He enthusiastically swallowed all of it and began to bite and nibble his way back up to Frodo's bleeding neck. He rested himself onto the frail hobbit's body and began to lick up the spilled wine from Frodo's wound.

Suddenly a sound echoed off in the darkness and Gollum got up immediately. He planted one last, warm, leathery kiss on Frodo's neck and disappeared into the darkness.

Frodo was not afraid of the darkness, nor bothered by the cold stone beneath him. Just now he lay catching his breath from the short exciting escapade. He closed his eyes and ran his hands over his thin body, remembering the unique sensations. His hand rested upon the bleeding bite mark and felt a warm sticky wetness. He smiled in memory of the pleasure. He let his hand traipse across the rest of his neck, finding that it was very sore. He let his hand rest momentarily and he suddenly realized what was wrong. The chain around his neck was gone, along with the ring.

He sat up suddenly and opened his eyes. A soft glow of moonlight and grass under him woke his senses up. He was back in Lothlorien. He threw his hand up to his throat and found the ring safely where he had left it. He rubbed the back of his neck, for he had begun to sweat. His hand draped down on his sore neck and he felt a peculiar sticky wetness. He brought his hand up and looked at it. A smear of his blood was present.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391344)

Bad visual. There are some things the should never be publicly discussed. And Fritz Hollings balls are one...two of them

Where's the beef? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391346)

Why not dig in and find out who the NRA learned this from? That's the kind of info we want.

More info about lobbying tactics by phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391348)

Call 1-800-544-3746 or 1-818-882-2878.

Standard American Values (1)

theblacksun (523754) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391351)

I love the line about how much more money is involved in the IT industry that is the entertainment industry.

And it shows. Computers are calculating nuclear blasts, while America has fallen in love with Britney Spears and pays to see wonderful works of cinematic art like "All About the Benjamins." Think of the quality difference there.

The point is, the general populas couldn't care less, and neither do their duly elected representatives. The shit is going to have to hit the fan before anyone does anything, but with any luck on their side the gross changes will happen slowly enough that not enough people will feel obliged to take action.

in short, we're screwed.

Re:Standard American Values (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391708)

Ya, the fact that geeks represent something like 0.5 percent of the voting population doesn't help much either.

Put your $$$ to work for your rights (5, Insightful)

Bowfinger (559430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391396)

So when is Senator Hollings/Disney up for reelection, who is his opponent, and is he at all vulnerable? If he is, what's the address for a contribution?

If even 5% of the geeks who are appalled by the SSSCA/CBDTPA sent a small check to Disney's opponent, we could turn the election. If we include a quick note explaining the contribution, our message will be loud and clear. Formal lobbying groups, public education campaigns, and all the other trappings are nice to have, but the fundamental force comes from lots of people putting their money where their hearts are.

I think one key, however, is that Hollings must be vulnerable. If he has a token opponent, we should focus on someone else - key word being "one". Sending money to the opposing party, or to several candidates won't cut it at our level. Our pockets aren't deep enough, and we don't have enough of them.

Re:Put your $$$ to work for your rights (1)

Lothar+0 (444996) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391489)

Hollings (a Democrat) faces re-election in 2004, perfect since it's also a Presidential election, and more people are bound to go to the polls than in an off-year race. Right now, South Carolina is having a gubanatorial race with a Democratic incumbent, Jim Hodges, so look for the front-runner on the Republican side (assuming they don't win) to try to take down Hodges in 2 years.

Re:Put your $$$ to work for your rights (1)

Lothar+0 (444996) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391501)

I meant to say, "take down Hollings in 2 years". I slap myself for not hitting the Preview button.

*slap* Ow.

Finally, a realist. (4, Interesting)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391398)

Still, I think this guy underestimates how easy/cheap it would be. I'd donate a few bucks to such a PAC, but I'm not rich. And if we all banded together somehow, and wanted to votefuck Hollings when he's up for re-election, could we win? Imagine that we somehow come up with enough cash to mount a decent tv ad campaign. We'd still be the new guys, and they would retaliate. Does anyone believe they are somehow above lying and namecalling?

"These hippy anarchists, aren't even from your district. Yet they want to dictate to the good people of N. Carolina who you should vote for. They want to allow dirty thieves to steal movies and games from struggling artists, bankrupting them, and stealing from you in the long run. We can't tell you to do anything illegal, but by god, if we ever see them on the street alone at night..."

Remember folks, if you pick on one of Hollywood's bought and paid for politicians, you are **picking on Hollywood**. There is no way that we could ever do political ads that are as slick, as decietful, and unfortunately, as effective as they could. They'd have Cher saying how she supports Senator Asswad, and we'd have some finnish geek saying something that Joe Sixpack doesn't understand, in an accent that annoys him.

The system is broken, and can't fix itself. No matter how much we help it from the inside.

AntiDisney in SC?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391490) many people from SC are perfectly happy sitting on the couch and watching TV for 10 hours (without tivo) with the cars up on blocks...


Re:Finally, a realist. (0)

christfokkar (575436) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391513)

Still, I think this guy underestimates how easy/cheap it would be. I'd donate a few bucks to such a PAC, but I'm not rich. And if we all banded together somehow, and wanted to votefuck Hollings when he's up for re-election, could we win? Imagine that we somehow come up with enough cash to mount a decent tv ad campaign. We'd still be the new guys, and they would retaliate. Does anyone believe they are somehow above lying and namecalling?

Well, in order to play political hardball you need political expertise. Open Source has some teams, like the EFF, OSI, and RSA that have legal experience now. But they are not very political.

There was a guy on here last week from the SEIU union who was suggesting that open source could team up with a union for real political backing. Typically, the idea was pretty much ignored which is too bad because it would work. I think you are overestimating the fact that this is still pretty achievable goal, OSS just needs to pull together and line up with the right players.

Re:Finally, a realist. (1)

lunenburg (37393) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391532)

Sen. Hollings represents Disney and SOUTH Carolina, not North Carolina. We've got our own cranky old white guy, but he's retiring after this term. :-)

Re:Finally, a realist. (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391668)

Sorry. I'm in Virginia, and I'd probably even mess up who our own senators are. Not that there is much difference between one and the next. All are worthless.

Re:Finally, a realist. (1)

chennes (263526) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391660)

Of course they can fight back. Of course they will fight back. But the example of the NRA is a good one - if there is enough money to make them fight on a level playing field, we stand a much better shot of winning. They can call names, but as long as we can keep running the ads, it won't matter - they aren't fighting a PAC, they're fighting another candidate. They'll probably save most of the name-calling for their "real" opponent.

Re:Finally, a realist. (1)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391688)

The system is broken, and can't fix itself. No matter how much we help it from the inside.

I disagree. Run for office yourself. If you understand the issues well enough, you ought to be in a position to make policy, and at a governmental level, we are sorely lacking these types of people.

I just jerked off to this (-1)

Mao Zedong (467890) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391402)

here [] . Heavily arousing.

Geeks, hackers and computer users of the world... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391408)

... On the other hand, anybody not USian is going to have to either join the American Open Technology Consortium, which apparently hopes to raise and allocate funds for the purpose of educating the public and people in political office on technology related issues, in accordance with our common beliefs and ideals, or start their own group - neither of these look like they are in fact meant for 'geeks of the world...' More like America.

In fact, they say themselves that: The focus of this organization is domestic, and so we invite groups from around the world to form OTC groups of their own.

So... who's starting the British Open Technology Consortium? Or will they be persuaded to join the European Common Consortium? Or do we in fact need a third group which is actually for Geeks of the Whole World, In General, With No Particular Focus On Any Country? Dunno.

Emphatically Yes! (5, Insightful)

frost22 (115958) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391409)

Both the article as well as the slashdot poster hit the nail on the head.

Do It ! Please !

You would be amazed how good political muscle can work if applied this way.

Just take someone and (politically) string him up! And don't take Hollings - as much tempting he is as a target he's far east of seventy and probably doesn't need (or even maybe doesnt seek) another term in the Senate. Take one of his allies instead. Get one who's prominent enough to be associated with Hollings' legislation, one who is young enough to loose something when booted out of Congress (The Never Come Back), but too old already to just shrug it off and do something else. Preferably have him (or her) squeal all over the place.

In short, inflict maximum pain. Make the guy (or the lady) an example.

It's an old principle of Germanic Law: Justice has to be seen.

Just like the NRA? (4, Funny)

jvollmer (456588) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391412)

The NRA has been doing this for years and it works."

Perhaps this is the key.

Under some circumstances, exported computers are classified as munitions. Can't we simply apply the Second Amendment to assure our freedom to use computers as we see fit?

Re:Just like the NRA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391537)

Yes! The courts treat the second amendment just like the first--which is why convicted felons never lose their right to own a gun; no one ever needs a permit to have a gun, manufacture guns, or operate a shooting range; and there's no Department of Treasury organization that occasionally burns down newspaper buildings in their zeal to collect taxes on the printed word.

Re:Just like the NRA? (1)

jvollmer (456588) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391677)

Just remember that I'm the one who thought of it - and I'm releasing this idea under the GPL.
Alanis Morissette would think this is ironic.

Preemptive post... (2, Insightful)

Rothfuss (47480) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391414)

Will the person who is going to write "send real letters through the mail... do not email... do not fax... yadda, yadda" please shut up.

Insert obvious anthrax analysis here.

There, now that all of that is out of the way, please continue with other more lucid points.


You have cerebral palsy! (-1)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391423)

Hi there. Today, I want to talk about a subject near and dear to all of our hearts.


There are many types of waffles. Some are belgian, some are fruity, some come from Waffle House and taste like baked shit. Some have sugar in them, but it's rumored that this is a European Communist Plot to make everybody fat. Some are "Eggos", which you are supposed to "Leggo". Some are cheap and generic, others cost upwards of a thousand dollars for a single helping. There are those you eat plain, and others go better with toppings, such as powdered sugar and Maple Syrup.

My favorite type of waffle is Belgian with fruit and stuff on top. Now that's a fucking good waffle. But there are other options... in fact, there's something for everyone!

Yes, waffles. A timeless American tradition.


This has been a presentation of the National Waffle Council.

2002 targets (5, Informative)

Rev Snow (21340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391424)

Representative Adam Schiff of California.

Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska.

They are the highest profile supporters of SSSCA who are facing election in 2002.

Re:2002 targets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391536)

What the hell is the former D.A. from Law & Order doing in California?

Re:2002 targets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391552)

Dunno about Schiff, but Stevens is about as vulnerable as a lump of adamantium. He's one of these small-state senators that have been around forever and GET THINGS DONE for their states. Stevens? Naah, don't waste your money.

Yes its not exactly great...but it works (1)

Tranvisor (250175) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391434)

Yeah for all us idealists this seems horrible. But you know you just have to fight fire with fire sometimes. I'm sure the guy who is going to be up against Hollings next election would love such an easy ploy to play. The geek nation gives him alot of money, he reveals to the public that Hollings is an asshole. It's not exactly clean but politics is often dirty if you want to get anything done.

If a senator is annoying you give money (lots of money) to his compititor to scare them back into line. We don't need all the little senators to care much about our issues, frankly, thats not going to happen, what we need to do is show them that the tech industry is tired of being pushed around by Disney and its ilk. We just designed the house Disney, if you don't want to come live in it, you keep all your valuable intelectual property out of it. Oh, and don't sue us because the door locks we create don't lock the consumers inside the basement, make your own god-damn doorlocks!

Vote Geek? (2, Interesting)

Lothar+0 (444996) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391453)

It takes a fundamental shift in ideology by the masses, not a "whistlestop tour" of geeks going from one gathering to another where maybe 50 people at most will show up, for anything to take effect. People have to change their minds about capitalism and how it does not necessarily equate democracy, not just about the evils of the DMCA or [insert hated law here]. Otherwise, the RIAA and MPAA will simply invoke the "they're stealing our stuff" BS rhetoric because most Americans are convinced that intellectual property equates physical property in terms of stealing.

Until the bigger issues are addressed, these concerns are always going to crop up in a public that has been taught to buy into the unexamined idea of corporate priviledge since birth.

It's not just the NRA (1)

deanj (519759) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391454)

It's not just the NRA either. Very single special interest group does this.

Making Points Count (5, Interesting)

Baldrson (78598) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391464)

how to effectively make the point about online freedom of speech

Everyone and their brother has free speech as an issue.

What "geeks" need right now is to know how to make a point about the fact that:

The problem with this (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391508)

Is the NRA is a properly run orginization that all the members are active in permoting it and following through with the beliefs and goals of the org.

There is NO WAY IN HELL you can get geeks,dweebs,nerds and spaz's to agree on anything. Hell when it comes down to the wire the bulk of us are too damned lazy to even write a letter to our congressperson or a letter to the editor, let alone become an activist.

and then you try and get geeks to pay dues... Hell they wont pay for a slashdot subscription (Me included) what makes anyone believe that anyone would pay the $150.00 a year dues that would be required?

Re:The problem with this (1)

EverDense (575518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391686)

Agreed that a lot of "geeks" are too lazy to become activists; or simply do not have the time. However, there are already technologically savvy groups lobbying against issues raised by our potential corporate overlords.

In the U.S. there is the Electronic Frontiers Foundation [] .
I myself donate to our own similar organisation Electronic Freedom Australia []

Anyone wanting to, can easily make a difference by supporting these and similar institutions.

Just being aware of the issues at hand is a good start.

Campaign finance reform (5, Insightful)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391510)

I know that we're all supposed to be for reform and all, but didn't Senator McCain just make this tatic illegal?

Get the special interest groups out of Washington!

If GeekPAC were to target a single Senator for removal with political adverstising, like the columnist suggests, it would violate the 60-day rule in the new laws.

Maybe those anti-Campaign Finance Reform people whining about free speech had a point after all. How does it feel to be a special interest?

Woo Hoo (0, Flamebait)

Agarwaen The Tired (471456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391528)

I think that man has got it right. Seriously, even you goatse people can distribute a lot of badly photoshopped pictures of Sentor Disney with animals. Rest of us can work on digging up some dirt on him. It's time to get dirty and underhanded. Let us descend upon him like plague of locusts. Why is Microsoft where they are, they're vicous. We need everything from anti-Hollings sites with righteous indignation to parody sites to pure fact and idealogy sites. Hollings bills aren't the battle Hollings is. Take it to the streets. Smear campaigns have a way of gathering force especially when they have a base of truth.
Down With Hollings!!! The way becomes clear.
Waves of outburst start with the smallest comments. Hit him high or low, we need both. Low blows make people not feel comfortable supporting him, he becomes a joke. High blows make people think and changes their actions, he loses support.
Sorry, it's life smear works, just be careful your ends justify it.

The NRA? (1)

TheGonzoKid (544822) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391550)

Well if the NRA does it, than it has to be okay.

Get other groups interested (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3391571)

There are many other groups and citizens who share concerns about corporate influence over public policy.

Detailing how the technical/copyright/patent stuff feeds into civil rights and consumer choice issues is a good place to start generating interests with these people.

Once that crossover interest can be established, sharing a voice and resources can become much more of a reality.

Senator Disney (3, Funny)

aoeuid (250239) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391583)

You know, it's kind of funny that I'm not even American, hardly follow American politics, and yet I still know who you mean when you refer to Senator Disney.....

The medium..... (2, Insightful)

Stromfeldt (462230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391608)

"They also wonder out loud why the $600 billion-a-year information-technology sector is letting itself get pushed around by the $20 billion-a-year entertainment industry.
The answer to that question seems pretty obvious. The IT industry is getting pushed around because it isn't pushing back."

That's such a ridiculous answer. It isn't even an answer and more of a cop out. It's like saying X is getting beat up by Y because X isn't fighting back. It's not stating why this could and is happening.

Who imposes greater control over people? Computers or the actual medium (entertainment industry)? Computers are the messenger, but it's the message that people are affected by, and why the entertainment industry is a much more important asset. This is how the people are influenced and controlled.

A good book to read (if you haven't) is "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky and ___.

And as a side note, I think today happens to be the first day of TV Turn off week:

Change in Constitution (3, Interesting)

Beliskner (566513) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391615)

We need a precedent that specifically extends Bill of Rights Free Speech protections to computers.

Current state:

1. Physically shouting at people - Free Speech.
2. Talking over the Phone - Free Speech (correct me if I'm wrong)?
3. IM, IRC, email - in dispute
4. Website links - apparently Free Speech (but see 5. wtf?)
5. Links to sites local+offshore sites breaching laws e.g. DMCA(DeCSS), child porno, deep-linking-to-acertain-JPG (any deep links), Al-Qaeda Jihad Manual of Terror
6. cgi links (e.g. s+wooly+mammoth) - not necessarily Free Speech.
4. Code C++, Java - NOT Free Speech, they are direct/indirect instructions to CPU to perform data manipulations.
6. Books? If books are Free Speech, then what if that book is typed on a computer, is it then not free speech? Under 3,4,5,6 it might no longer be. If what you type on a computer is Free Speech, then great. But what about typing C++, why is that not free speech then? What is the difference then between writing a book in English, and speech recognition? If I use voice recognition to code C++ then my Free Speech is protected, but when does it suddenly become "computer instructions" and therefore DMCA-protected? Can heavily commented code pass off as English and therefore be Free Speech protected?

Only a temporary solution (1)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391635)

There is a bigger problem here. Most politicians can't/don't understand the technology and implications of their actions. Many are being told to support such items because it serves their own greater good -- IOW, they keep their jobs or committee positions. When the purse strings are being held from above, it doesn't really matter what the politican thinks -- in many cases, they're just puppets of the system.

And I don't think that throwing $$$ at opponents is going to solve the problem. Most likely, eventually, they'll do something that gets them booted out of office, and then what do you have? Lots of money down the drain to solve a temporary problem.

Let's realize the problem by addressing the situation. Today's politicians do whatever it takes to keep their job, which most of the time means placating the people that get them there in the first place. And what gets them there are votes. And how do they get votes? By appealing to people that support their views. And many of their views are driven by whatever makes their chances of being [re-]elected possible. This means supporting issues that can get popular support from their districts. In some situations, this may mean supporting issues that corporations want because corporations can throw massive support in the way of votes at a candidate. Given low voter turnout, a skewed vote with heavy corporate support can likely put a less-than-worthy candidate in office, which is a situation that we get a LOT of the time nowadays. And the only way that unpopular candidates get elected is if their opponents can't get the citizens to understand why the issues they support are better than the ones their opponents support.

So here's my solution -- run for office yourselves. Those who understand the issues will make better legislators, and that's what America was based on in the first place -- people who got it. Think about this -- a nation of informed congresspeople. Perhaps it won't stop the abuses, but it will certainly get rid of those who can't/won't understand the issues at hand and whose only goals are to get re-elected and will support any cause that gets them there, regardless of the consequences to their constituents.

No More Mr/Miss NiceGeek (1)

LightForce3 (450105) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391645)

For those of us who have tried to remain out of politics, I think now is the time to jump into the fray under a united banner.

We've realized that being the nice geek doesn't work well; now, we need to beat them at their own game.

I can vote now, and I'm getting a 'real job' soon, so I can vote with my dollars as well. What about you?

Instead of shouting from outside the boxing ring that is Congress, we need to lace up the gloves and deliver a few punches. Go Geeks!

What it costs (1)

adminispheroid (554101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391702)

To get an idea what it costs to buy an election in the US, have a look at the FEC [] ftp site. Lots of interesting stuff in there, but in particular, I see that in Feinstein's last reelection campaign (2000) she spent about $10M.

Finally (1)

release7 (545012) | more than 12 years ago | (#3391715)

It's good to see someone advocating for political action. Until citizens start getting involved, things will never change.

To compare such a group with the NRA is probably overstepping what this lobbying arm will be capable of. The NRA is well-armed with money from the gun industry. It's going to be tough to get that kind of muscle from computer geeks. I don't have statistics on the breakdown of how the NRA gets funded, but I'd say it's a safe bet that at least 80% of their money comes from gun manufacturers. Someone needs to be able to pay the lobbyists to go schmooze with the politicians and get the voice of the geeks heard. There also needs to be money for conventions to set the agenda, etc, etc.

The groups proposes raising $200K. But honestly, just how far is that going to go? Maybe it'll cover the expenses and salary of one lobbyist for a year if we're lucky. I wonder what the operating budget of the NRA is. Anybody have an idea?

Anyway, it's a noble idea and should be pursued further. I hope they find ways to raise some serious cash or at the very least, get geeks more politically active.

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