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SuSE 8.0 Now Shipping

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the mmmm,-kde-3 dept.

SuSE 298

MobyTurbo writes "Well, it's technically a day late, but SuSE Linux 8.0 is now shipping. The increase from 7.3 to 8.0 is due to the inclusion of KDE 3.0, a SuSE-modified kernel version 2.4.18 (with Andre's VM), an improved firewall, among other packages that have been upgraded or added. (Including a couple of new games. :-) )"

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WHo fucking cares (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394104)

Mac OS X on a PowerBook 667 owns everything.

Re:WHo fucking cares (-1, Offtopic)

VisualThoy (202019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394124)

With that attitude, you wont get very far in your Theobiology class.

$lashdot meta discussion GONE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394106)

The Meta$lashdot Discussion is now only a memory. This make good sense because if there is no activity on a discussion for 2 weeks the discussion is deleted. But I posted a comment on 2/13 at 11:42am. I was questioning, in that comment, why $lashdot (which is anti-M$) was running ads for VS.NET? There were no replies. I didn't even think twice about looking for it yesterday, but I thought it looked strange... here is how it shows up on my list:

5 Please Explain [lashdot.org] posted on Wednesday February 13, @11:42AM (Score:-1)
attached to

Do you notice what is wrong? What is the comment attached to? (HINT: It should be the Meta $lashdot Discussion) Now try viewing the comment, it's not there...Where is it? Email CmdrTaco [mailto] and ask him to query for CID 3000553 on his database.

By the way, I'll try not to post with this account for a few days so that this comment stays on my comments list so that I have proof that I am telling the truth. Look at my comments [lashdot.org]

UPDATE: Here is a copy of an email from our good buddy Rob Malda:

From :
"Rob \"CmdrTaco\" Malda"

To :
"jajhj oiusd" , krow@$lashdot.org

Subject :
Re: Please Explain

Date :
Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:31:30 -0500

Looks like a bug to me.

On Friday 15 February 2002 10:14 am, you wrote:
> I posted a comment to the meta slash discussion on 2/13 at 11:42AM and the
> comment and the discussion are now gone. Why is that? Was there something
> in the discussion that needed to be deleted?
>
> I know that if there is no activity in a discussion for like 2 weeks then
> it will be deleted. But there was activity with in the past 2 days. What
> gives? here is a link to the comment I submitted
>
> http://$lashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=26638&cid=3000 553


UPDATE: Shortly after posting this journal entry, I was banned.

Sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394118)

I remember being 8.

kiss my... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394120)

bumperdumper [bumperdumper.com]

Thanks.

Frsit Wesley Willis psot! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394127)

Lick a hyena's spermy dick!

Rock over London, rock on Chicago
Slashdot, it's where pedophiles hang out

i installed it last night (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394130)

and it has a couple of problems. they still haven't fixed the memory resource allocator driver ide problem from 6.2.34. also, my pcmcia universal drive-part table is unsupported.

Eeezzzzy (2, Interesting)

Lappie (214857) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394132)

I'm still very impressed with the automaticity of the installation of my 7.3. Almost everything worked out of the box, without one glitch. I'm certain I'll be the first to buy me the 8.0 box when it's in de shops here in Europe.

Suse is great (1)

ulbador (541826) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394133)

Suse has always been a great distro, if not a bit bloated at times {though anymore they all are}

Re:Suse is great (2, Insightful)

hs81 (62329) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394202)

SuSe has always been a bit bloated but they have made huge efforts to allow the user to select what they want to install and later on to install/upgrade new packages. I have used RedHat and SuSe for several years and if anyone asks me what distro to go for I say try SuSe bacause I have so much respect for the install process.

Suse/bloated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394259)

What's better?

(a) a SuSE Linux project

or

(b) sex with a mare

Once again... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394134)

not first post!

w00t!

Re:Once again... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394480)

but are you fr0st p1st?

Screw Suse as long as they don't provide ISOs (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394135)

Assholes. Leave it to Euro-trash.

in 2 weeks... (1)

morgajel (568462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394138)

depending on if I can find the ISO's, I'll give it a try when I fully convert my system over from win2k.

I tried SuSe before, and it was really cool, but it's gonna have a hardtime beating debian as my desktop OS of choice.

it's determinate on whether or not they have the ISO's available... if they don't, they're losing out on me as a user. probably alot of others as well.

and yes, I do plan on buying the distro I decide on.

Re:in 2 weeks... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394171)

There are no officially available ISOs of SuSE distributions. You can wait for the setup files to show up on the SuSE ftp server and do an online installation or try the (also not-yet-released) evaluation version, which is a system configured to run directly from CD.

Re:in 2 weeks... (1)

Lappie (214857) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394174)

I would certainly check it out. Debian still is my favorite server distro, but I find it lacking in the automatic(!!) support of new(er) hardware. It all requires a little more knowledge and time than I'm, personally, willing to spend on (any) linux setup or linux box.

IMveryHO distro's like SuSE, Mandrake and Redhat (although I've never used recent versions of the latter two) will be what will open the mainstream (home computing) market a little more. Just because they are little easier to install and, after that easy installation, look a lot flashier than something like Debian, which requires a lot more work to look fancy.

Re:in 2 weeks... (1)

0123456789 (467085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394182)

SuSE don't provide ISOs. But you can install by ftp direct from their ftp server or a mirror. See here [sdb.suse.de] (in English) for details. I'd recommend SuSE highly, I'm using SuSE 7.3 at the moment, but will upgrade once I get around to buying the set (downloaded the last couple of versions I used, feel obliged to contribute some money...).

Re:in 2 weeks... (2)

CynicTheHedgehog (261139) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394230)

I *just* bought 7.3...does SuSE offer upgrade discounts?

Re:in 2 weeks... (1)

grahamm (8844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394256)

Yes. You can buy the update edition, which contains the same 7 CDs and 1 DVD as the professional edition but with only an "update" paper manual. (The other manuals are still provided in electronic format in various languages.)

Re:in 2 weeks... (1)

oever (233119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394258)

Yes they do. As a matter of fact, the upgrade versions, are simply the complete distro without all the books. So if you can read slashdot, you can probably buy the upgrade version and install it without problems. It's half the price.

Of course, as a good slashdot reader, you best support this nice distro and buy the full version. ;^)

Or just buy the SuSE upgrade and buy Mandrake with the money you saved. They can use the money because of their delayed boxed distribution distribution.

Re:in 2 weeks... (1)

morgajel (568462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394280)

sold-
I prefer ftp installs anyways.

my next thought is how close their upgrade utility is to apt-get or rpm-
does anyone know of a good place to get distro comparisons? I'd really like to see the strengths and weaknesses of this vs. redhat and debian.

Re:in 2 weeks... (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394312)

my next thought is how close their upgrade utility is to apt-get or rpm-
SuSE is rpm-based, and does have a few quirks as to package names which may come into play every now and then. All in all, though, it's a pretty nice distro.

Re:in 2 weeks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394327)

It can't be worse than rpm: it is built on rpm.

I've got the ISO's (1)

NighthawkFoo (16928) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394350)

That's not completely true...they don't provide ISO's to the general public. I've been running SuSE 8.0 for about two weeks now, after downloading the ISO's from our internal Linux mirror network. I guess the only reason that they make the ISO's available to us is that we are a partner with them.

I've been pretty impressed, but the kicker in KDE3.0 was giving me problems for a week or so. It seems to have calmed down now, but I don't know why. Kdeinit was taking up 90% of the CPU and the kicker would stop responding to events.

By the way, Yast is now gone - Yast2 has replaced it, both in the GUI and console. It's pretty good, albeit somewhat slow to load its modules.

I've previously bought versions of SuSE, so I don't feel bad about burning this one. I tend to get the whole boxed set about once every major release.

Re:I've got the ISO's (1)

grahamm (8844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394411)

I am seeing the same problem, with kdeinit taking all the CPU, with the released 8.0. So, I decided to use Gnome instead.

Re:in 2 weeks... (2)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394298)

depending on if I can find the ISO's, I'll give it a try when I fully convert my system over from win2k.

In the past, SuSE hasn't provided distros - you have a folder with 7 CD-Roms and a DVD. All the packages are online, however, and a ftp or "download 'em and install" is possible, however, you then say...

I tried SuSe before, and it was really cool, but it's gonna have a hardtime beating debian as my desktop OS of choice.

You can apt-get it. No, really. Although I don't know how much of a stub of a SuSE install you need (and I *seriously* doubt you can go from debian to SuSE without much anguish). Technically, apt-get is for upgrades, and the repository base, or whatever you call it is on ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/, and you need apt4rpm at http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/. 7.3 and 8.0 are unofficially supported, but are reputed to work find, and that's an offical SuSE mirror site as well.

--
Evan

Re:in 2 weeks... (2, Informative)

StarTux (230379) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394506)

You'll be able to do an FTP install in about 3 weeks to 4 weeks.

They do have an eval CD that is an ISO though.

I was wondering... (1)

mikkado (535011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394146)

how this compares to Lycoris? Because if there is one distribution that's suited for normal users, it's lycoris. Suse has been trying hard to reacdh the same goal, but version 7 was still far off....

Lycoris... (2, Interesting)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394264)


Any affiliation with MS? Just wondering, cause I saw this at the bottom:

Lycoris and Desktop/LX are Trademarks of Redmond Linux Corp. © 2001, 2002 Lycoris All Rights Reserved

Re:Lycoris... (1)

mrscorpio (265337) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394405)

Just because they're perhaps located in Redmond, WA, doesn't mean they're affiliated with MS!

There's lots of tech companies in Redmond, WA.

Chris

First distro? (2)

ciryon (218518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394148)

This must be the first distro shipping KDE3, or am I mistaken?

Re:First distro? (1)

Deacon Jones (572246) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394169)

You are not mistaken.

At least not according to Suse themselves. http://www.suse.com/us/products/suse_linux/i386/kd e3.html

Re:First distro? (1)

(startx) (37027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394221)

well, it's been in slackware-current for a few weeks, but I guess that's not technically a "shipping" distro yet. However, slackware-8.1 does seem to be shaping up quite nicely and looks like it might be out any day now.

Re:First distro? -- Not Quite (1)

socratic method (15936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394227)

Not if Gentoo Linux counts as a distribution. KDE3 had been part of the official Gentoo install set since version 1.1a, released on 8 April.

sm

First distro with KDE3? Nope. (2, Informative)

rmstar (114746) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394254)

This must be the first distro shipping KDE3, or am I mistaken?

If you take the word "shipping" literally, maybe.

But I've been using KDE3 for a while on my laptop, running Gentoo 1.1 [gentoo.org] , which, btw, is the best distro I've ever tried.

rmstar

Re:First distro with KDE3? Nope. (1)

salsashrk (573024) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394260)

Yep, I've been running KDE3 quite happily on my Gentoo box for about a week and a half now. Very sweet.

Mandrake too (1)

Salsaman (141471) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394373)

There are also rpms for Mandrake. The upgrade (kde 2->3) worked almost flawlessly for me.

(I had to add /usr/lib/kde3 to my ld.so.conf and also add /opt/kde3/bin to my path).

Re:First distro? (1)

MoogMan (442253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394384)

Well, the first distro 'available' with KDE3 was RedHat SkipJack (ie 7.3beta1), but its still in beta since it uses the KDE3beta2 I think

Can't update online to it yet. (1)

Deacon Jones (572246) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394151)

The online update tool in 7.3 does not automagically update to this version yet, and the 8.0 files aren't present in Suse's ftp server. So at the moment it would appear that 8.0 is only available for purchase, not for download/online upgrade.

8.0 should have 2.5 (-1, Redundant)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394153)

KDE 3.0 and some minor things do not really merit such a great change, it would have been better if itwould have been kernal 2.5, what will they call with kernal 2.5 ...version 9.0?

Re:8.0 should have 2.5 (1)

AngryAndDrunk (574308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394170)

There won't be a release with kernel 2.5, that's the development branch. The next stable kernel, ie the one targetted at the not quite so bleeding edge users amongst us, will be 2.6.

Re:8.0 should have 2.5 (1)

GnomeKing (564248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394172)

I would hope no distro includes 2.5

atleast while kernel.org is calling it a beta kernel

Re:8.0 should have 2.5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394179)

2.5 would be a beta kernel. I think you mean 2.6.

Re:8.0 should have 2.5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394231)

No, it shouldn't. It should have the latest stable kernel, which is 2.4.18 (or maybe 19 by now).

What are the advantages of Suse over RH, Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394155)

Just curious.

Re:What are the advantages of Suse over RH, Mandra (2, Funny)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394245)


The basic differences are:

Suse is by fat, sausage scoffing crauts.
Mandrake is by irritating, garlic loving frogs.
Red Hat is by noisy, burger munching Yankees.

Take your pick.

Re:What are the advantages of Suse over RH, Mandra (2, Funny)

larien (5608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394279)

*laugh* however, quick speeling flame: it's usually 'krauts', not 'crauts', after sauerkraut. Yes, we name a country's residents after.. a type of cabbage.

Still I'm not sure if that's worse or better than frogs, wops or dagoes (French, Italian and Spanish respectively, but not respectfully).

Re:What are the advantages of Suse over RH, Mandra (2)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394326)


Actually I regret posting this now. I have a lot of respect for the Germans and the Americans. ;-)

Re:What are the advantages of Suse over RH, Mandra (0)

NorthDude (560769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394527)

When I bough SuSE 7.1, I got a nice pin and some sticker. That's a big plus, the pin is really nice on my 3 foot tall Tux! :)

Great! (1)

GnomeKing (564248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394158)

Wow!
new games???
great! well worth the download!

and I spose including KDE 3.0 is a plus point too...

RedHat (2, Insightful)

BlueTooth (102363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394160)

So, unlike RedHat, they have a legitimate reason for a major version increment?

Re:RedHat (1)

Lappie (214857) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394189)

In my opinion they have. From the 7.1 to 7.3 installation has been improved greatly IMHO. I expect that this trend will continu. Besides this, they are the first distro to include KDE3 as their standard desktop.

Red Hat's major numbering actually makes sense (1)

mapnjd (92353) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394211)

Er, Red Hat historically have incremented major version numbers when they've shipped major new versions of the kernel, glibc, gcc or rpm. A major number tweak at Red Hat implies binary incompatibility, package incompatibility or a real important upgrade to glibc or the kernel.

nic

Re:RedHat (2, Informative)

software_non_olet (567318) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394303)

No, they simply had to follow the market leader in their version numbering.

Small changes - and I don't see a KDE 3.0 as such a BiG change to justify a major version increment for the whole distro.

Appearantly, they focused their efforts lately on 8.0 polishing, hence I feel it's better than 7.3. After all, the new kernel is worth the upgrade for my taste (that is if you don't go for Red Hat).

KDE 3.0 is as stable as the old version (ahem). And the installation speed is said to have improved (according to SuSE's advertisments). The latter I don't know much about, because I had to go for a coffee, and a snack and make some telefon calls until the installer gave me the obligatory error messages about some packages which I had to reinstall later by hand etc. (I mean after having tried the whole game 3 times in vain, with deinstalling and reinstalling via the cludgy YAST installer.

I should've stayed with Red Hat, but that could as well be my illusion, that the grass on the other side of my reality-fence is allways greener.

After one month (and 4 servers) experience I'd say:

You can use it, but you mustn't. If you allready have a SuSE, it's OK to upgrade. Especially if your servers are in Europe, the support for local ISDN and DSL services and hardware is probably (or should I say slightly) better than from US distros.

Acceptable.

Reviews... (2, Informative)

Iberian (533067) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394168)

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6015 If you are looking for a review before you just go out and buy software based on free code. Any readers actually have the product yet. Impressions....

Re:Reviews... (1)

KingKire64 (321470) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394289)

For the Lazy People [linuxjournal.com] Or maybe im _That_ Lazy

Re:Reviews... (1)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394290)


Oh for the love of! We are too lazy to copy and paste, please provide a link [linuxjournal.com] next time.

Thanks.

Re:Reviews... (2, Interesting)

d3xt3r (527989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394297)

I have been running SuSE since 7.0 and have purchased 7.1-7.3 and each release has brought more features and better integration to an already great distro. I don't have 8.0 yet, but when it arrives, I can almost guarantee that I'll be happy with it. =)

Like Red Hat, SuSE releases their own patched version of the Linux kernel which have always been extremely fast and reliable (in my experience) and their installation is easy. The other nice thing is the setup tool, Yast2, it's the best integrated setup/control center tool I've seen yet.

The nice thing about SuSE is that everything just works. SuSE offers upgrades to KDE and GNOME that can be downloaded and installed automatically with Yast Online Update on the same day that KDE and GNOME annouce their new releases. They are definitely on top of things. Also, Yast can be used to configure just about every aspect of the system, no need whatsoever to edit config files.

Another nice thing about SuSE is that it's Oracle certified. SuSE offers a nice rpm that sets the system up for installing and running Oracle, making installation as simple as on Windows (at least for 9i).

I've tried Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE and debian and I am happiest by far with SuSE. It has easier config tools than Mandrake, the speed and reliability of Red Hat, and the advantage that it is commercially supported by many companies, meaning that if a product claims it will run on linux, it WILL run on SuSE Linux. :-)

Sun's Grid Engine comes with SuSE 8.0 (4, Informative)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394175)

Sun's Grid Engine [suse.com] is included in SuSE 8.0... I think that's a significant addition, as grid computing becomes the "hot" topic amongst CS researchers nowadays. Good to see Linux on the cutting edge.

Already in store (1)

it0 (567968) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394180)

I believe I saw it already available at a local software store in the Netherlands yesterday...

Get the Whole Load (2)

4of12 (97621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394192)

I'm running SuSE 7.3 and have bought their distros since 6.1.

I really like the way that SuSE comes with so many applications that you can install. With large disks, there's little reason to be without any of the many open source applications out there.

Yes, once in a while you can see the European origins of this distribution, like in the A4 bias for default paper sizes, but generally they're pretty good about providing "en" language users a good interface.

Re:Get the Whole Load (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394434)

Yes, once in a while you can see the European origins of this distribution, like in the A4 bias for default paper sizes, but generally they're pretty good about providing "en" language users a good interface. What, you mean with default currency set to '£', for instance?

SuSE 8.0 (2, Informative)

noodlez84 (416138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394198)

Anyone interested should view the SuSE Linux 8.0 page [suse.com] .

  • Reasons to Use SuSE Linux
  • Choose from among XFS, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, and others during install
  • choose to encrypt your filesystem
  • free security updates, unlike RedHat
  • improved YaST2, the ultamite in system configuration utilities, let's you configure everything from a DHCP server to CUPS
  • YaST Online Update, for automatic upgrading of your RPMs
  • conformance to the LSB [linuxbase.org] , the only compliant distro so far
  • the most secure distro, according to LWN.net research [lwn.net]
  • Personal Firewall configuration through YaST
  • 90 days of tech support through email or telephone with the Professional version

Re:SuSE 8.0 (1)

waspleg (316038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394270)

well.. i just put mdk 8.2 on my laptop, i bought hte 5.3 SuSE box set a while back.. i was impressed at the time until i found half the documentation in german, a fucked up hacked series of init scripts (rc.d and its ilk) and YaST which i utterly loathe.. it was quickly re-replaced with slackware at the time.. i'm sure they've come a way since then but old biases die hard ;)

Re:SuSE 8.0 (3, Informative)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394275)

# free security updates, unlike RedHat

gee, I better uninstall those Redhat security updates, apparently they're not aware that they were supposed to be charging me for them. Thanks for spreading misinformation.

Red Hat update *IS* free (3, Informative)

salimma (115327) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394285)

Updates are available via FTP servers for free, and through their Red Hat Network channels it's free for the end user (1 free token per user account).

So what you're paying for is to be able to manage all your computers through one interface. SuSE's YOU last time I tried it (7.3) works like Ximian's Red Carpet, or Microsoft's Windows Update, in that all the work is done on the client's side.

Michel

Re:SuSE 8.0 (2, Informative)

agi (17926) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394300)

> free security updates, unlike RedHat

AFAIK all Linux distros offer free security updates. And even not security related updates. Including RedHat.

SuSE 8.0 (Mis) Information (1)

salsashrk (573024) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394417)

Security updates for RedHat boxen has never been a problem. Just an binary FTP away..

We even went so far as to install the apt package [tuxfamily.org] for our servers so we could always have the latest packages a la debian. Sure, I can see how it's not really *free* to su - and then apt-get dist-upgrade if you mean the man hours for me to type two lines...

Unless the bitch is about the kernel install, but how hard is it to download the rpm and type: rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.whatever.rpm?
I choose not to use the prepacked kernels, but for the lazy, it's hell of a *free* way to go!

Re:SuSE 8.0 (2)

Matts (1628) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394430)

Conectiva 8.0 (in beta now) is also LSB compliant, fwiw.

I'm really looking forward to when Red Hat finally moves to LSB compliance. Maybe then we'll be able to take almost any RPM, be it Red Hat, SuSE or Conectiva, and install it on any linux distribution without worrying too much about wierd issues.

Re:SuSE 8.0 (2, Informative)

prefect42 (141309) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394498)

Reasons for using it over any other major linux distro:

# Choose from among XFS, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, and others during install

Nope, Mandrake's the same.

# choose to encrypt your filesystem

Mmm, same.

# free security updates, unlike RedHat

Wrong.

# improved YaST2, the ultamite in system configuration utilities, let's you configure everything from a DHCP server to CUPS

Just what we need, and also covered (badly) by webmin/linuxconf on other distros.

# YaST Online Update, for automatic upgrading of your RPMs

Same as mandrake.

I've yet to see anything major to swing me. I'm far too used to the old tools (chkconfig, ifconfig) and the like that it doesn't make much difference which distro I use, linux or otherwise. That's one of the main reasons I'm against pushing things like YaST2 too hard, or people will simply turn linux into open source M$.

jh

Got it! (1)

oever (233119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394215)

It just arrived by mail today. I can't wait to try it.

I'm especially keen on seeing how they added Sun Gridware to the distro.

The 8.0 has me a bit puzzled: they still compiled everything with gcc 2.95.3.

Other cool stuff in 8.0... (3, Informative)

lessthan0 (176618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394216)

SuSE 8.0 also includes:

Sun's grid engine software
Star Office 5.2 and Open Office 641c
Updated YaST2 and much improved YaST2 console mode
X 4.2
Alsa 0.9
One of the best firewall scripts anywhere

Fairly major changes in how admin settings are saved, with a lot of stuff moving out of /etc/rc.config and into a Red Hat-style /etc/sysconfig. It is still managed by YaST2, just stored in a different place.

It is polished and solid, and as always, stuffed with so much software, you could not absorb it all in several years. The upside is that almost everything you might want is in there already. SuSE may not be perfect, but they contribute huge chunks of code to the kernel, KDE, Alsa, Xfree, and NIS projects and that's good for everyone.

Some updates to KDE3 and other packages are already posted to their ftp site, so fire up the YaST Online Update right after the install to get the new goodies.

x86 only? (2, Interesting)

gecko19scl (465953) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394218)

I run SuSE 7.3 SPARC at the moment and its really good...is the new 8.0 release for i386 only? or do they have a sparc port on the way? i hope they dont kill it off like Red Hat did, they have done a really good job with 7.3 :-)

chris

.sig : bad command or file name

Re:x86 only? (2, Informative)

Mongr (238) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394269)

The developers have already stated that they will skip the 8.0 release and release the next sparc at 8.1

They also claim that dropping 32-bit sparc support is probable....though I certainly hope not.

Re:x86 only? (1)

gecko19scl (465953) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394319)

thats a shame cos i was thinking about picking up a used sparcstation 5 :-(
i hope they dont 2

o well i guess im stuck with my ultra 30 *grins*

A lot of changes... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394235)

... have come with SuSE 8:
  • YAST has gone, just YAST2 is left (as text and as X version). BTW: The text version is awfull to use
  • rc.config is away, now s
  • Boot disks aren't shipped anymore
  • Changing the dummy NVidia driver to the original one crashes X when you don't adjust it manually
There have been a lot of other negative voices on alt.linux.suse, it seems like SuSE is doing the "buy our box and become our beta testers" like M$ :(
And, especially when you are doing an update from 7.3 to 8 it can be tricky.

Re:A lot of changes... (2)

c=sixty4 (35259) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394301)

YAST has gone, just YAST2 is left (as text and as X version). BTW: The text version is awfull to use
Is it possible in SuSE's 8.0 YAST2 to install new packages through FTP? In 7.3, you couldn't do this - YAST2 would only accept CD, NFS or a hard drive directory.

Re:A lot of changes... (1)

grahamm (8844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394381)

If it is then I haven't managed to find it yet. Prior to release the SuSe people on the suse-e mailing list kept saying that the new "improved" Yast2 would make the need for Yast1 redundant, but I cannot see how to use Yast2 to (for example) install packages from the "supplementary" directories on ftp.suse.com, which could be done with Yast1.

Yummy (2)

ViceClown (39698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394249)

Pre - ordered a week ago. Now when it shows up in my office and my boss askes what for?? Uhh... I dunno what I'll tell him :-)

Re:Yummy (0, Redundant)

Mignon (34109) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394292)

... and my boss askes what for
^^^^^
I dunno what I'll tell him :-)

How 'bout you'll tell him it comes with a spell-checker? ;)

Re:Yummy (2)

ViceClown (39698) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394494)

Ha! Good catch. That was funny. :-)

Mandrake 8.2 also shipping... (2, Interesting)

joestar (225875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394252)

They announced it yesterday - it includes StarOffice 6.0 for ProSuite & PowerPack Editions. The announce is here [mandrakesoft.com] .

Does SuSE 8.0 include StarOffice 6.0 as well?

Re:Mandrake 8.2 also shipping... (1)

software_non_olet (567318) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394333)

Does SuSE 8.0 include StarOffice 6.0 as well?

Yes, if you buy the discs (an update is sufficient). SO is never downloadable AFAIK.

Re:Mandrake 8.2 also shipping... (1)

software_non_olet (567318) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394378)

Does SuSE 8.0 include StarOffice 6.0 as well?

Ooops, sorry, if didn't switch the brain on before reading your posting.

No, it's StarOffice 5.2

Re:Mandrake 8.2 also shipping... (2, Interesting)

oever (233119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394382)

No, still StarOffice 5.2.
Source: The SuSE 8.0 Professional box on my desk.

Re:Mandrake 8.2 also shipping... (2, Interesting)

NuMessiah (7486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394423)

SuSe 8.0 comes with StarrOffice 5.2 :(.

Too bad that they were unable to strike a deal like Mandrake did with Sun. SO 6.0 would be a very good addition to KDE 3.0 and stuff.

Odd thing is that SuSe usually has a very good connections to other companies (read: SuSe Linux Database Server = IBM DB2 UDB + distro, SuSe Groupware Server = Lotus Domino + distro, SuSe Certified Oracle 9i ...).

bb4now,
PMC

Version numbers (2, Interesting)

prefect42 (141309) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394262)

It's amazing how fast the numbers go up in distributions compared to that of the packages within...

Maybe companies should be forced to number their distros based on the average version number of the packages within; that'd cause an interesting non-linear numbering scheme. ;)

jh

Re:Version numbers (1)

PsiPsiStar (95676) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394404)

I'm assuming you were joking, but I'll respond just for the hell of it because I have free time. yay.

Maybe the package numbers go up quick because you don't have to have an upgrade to all the package components to get a package upgrade. If 1/3 of the packages components were upgraded you would very easily get a version number upgrade.

This should be good... (1)

CrazyBusError (530694) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394267)

Looking forward to getting this - currently have 7.3 installed and apart from a few minor niggles it's been superb. Only problem I ever had was that it could never install the AC97 on-board sound on my ECS-SIS motherboard. Definitely looking forward to KDE 3 though...

I wonder how many CD's this one will arrive on...

Linux math. (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394281)


> The increase from 7.3 to 8.0 is due to the inclusion of KDE 3.0, a SuSE-modified kernel version 2.4.18...among other packages that have been upgraded or added.

7.3 + 3.0 + 2.4.18 = 8.0 ???

Maybe some of those other packages had negative version numbers.

Been Shipping for a couple of weeks already! (5, Informative)

4im (181450) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394287)

See subject - SuSE 8.0 has been shipping for a while, I've been seeing comments about it in german and swiss newsgroups. These comments range from rather critical to absolutely enthusiastic.

Unfortunately, it's been "in" for a while to bash the "Windows from Nürnberg". IMHO SuSE is very easy to setup for newbies and gurus alike (no time to waste on configuring stuff, leaving time for tinkering on the non-obvious things) and gives you all the power of linux in a nice package.

Can't wait to get my hands on this new version, the features list is quite impressive. I'll get around to it this weekend, probably...

(using SuSE, Debian, RedHat, IPCop, ... on x86, UltraSparc, Alpha)

Re:Been Shipping for a couple of weeks already! (4, Interesting)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394348)

SuSE is very easy to setup for newbies and gurus alike (no time to waste on configuring stuff, leaving time for tinkering on the non-obvious things) and gives you all the power of linux in a nice package.

Amen - I want to develop the software I get paid for or I want to play with, and I want to have my servers working rock solid without devoting myself 24/7 to them. SuSE offers a very solid base, incredibly logically laid out system, very stable releases (I'm even trusting the x,0 release here), and not only fast security updates, but software version updates for quite a bit of software, even for releases several minor version old.

It allows me to get my work done, and provides a nice CLI, GUI and "install and ignore" server experience. Plus, if you're doing enterprise work, check out their more powerful packages (the ones that start at $1000 and move on up). They provide the packages for IBM's enterprise applications, not to mention the Linux for IBM's big iron. Simply having a team that can provide the necessary QA and support to big customers makes me feel confidant as a minor customer of theirs.

--
Evan

Already in shops here in .de (3, Informative)

NuMessiah (7486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394295)

Well, it's technically a *week* late. I had my copy of SuSe 8.0 Personal Package in the mailbox (Germany) already at Friday the 12th. (Preordered directly from SuSe.de web site).

Just one comment: Installation went flawlessly on the Gericom Webgine 1630 Notebook. All of the hardware (expect AMR Modem) automatically recognized and initialized :).

bb4now,
PMC

RedHat to Suse (3, Interesting)

joe_fish (6037) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394311)

I'm using RedHat 7.2 right now, but it isn't very stable - Galeon occasionally locks everything up solid. So I need a way out.

I was hoping to wait for RH7.3, but perhaps this is a better option.

My real question is how hard will I have to work to move accross all my configs? There's samba/printers/sendmail/etc/etc. Anyone know of a good way of doing RH->Suse without any pain?

Re:RedHat to Suse (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3394446)

I'm using RedHat 7.2 right now, but it isn't very stable - Galeon occasionally locks everything up solid. So I need a way out.
I thought that the way out [wehavethewayout.com] was already found.

Re:RedHat to Suse (1)

StarTux (230379) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394484)

Go to the SuSE suppiort page and sign up for the excellent mailing list there. Also search the databse for answers.

Improved firewall? (-1, Offtopic)

bunungs (536665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394355)

#!/bin/bash
# --
# Slashdot Opensores Firewall Script
# --
# Distributed under the superior BSD license
#
# Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
# modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
# are met:
#
# 1.Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
# notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
# 2.Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above
# copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following
# disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided
# with the distribution.
# 3.The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote
# products derived from this software without specific prior
# written permission.
#
# THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR
# IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED
# WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
# ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY
# DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL
# DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE
# GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS
# INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER
# IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR
# OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN
# IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE
#
# -- Start Here
#
IPTABLES="/sbin/iptables"

# Being gang raped by sinos is not fun
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies

${IPTABLES} -t filter -F INPUT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -F OUTPUT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -P INPUT ACCEPT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -P OUTPUT DROP

# The rulz
${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s male/16 --sport penis --dport mouth -j ACCEPT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s male/16 --sport fist --dport anus -j ACCEPT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s male/16 --sport finger --dport anus -j ACCEPT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p protected -s male/16 --sport fist --dport anus -j ACCEPT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p protected -s male/16 --sport penis -j ACCEPT

# I know this may seem controversial but it feels good
${IPTABLES) -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s female/16 --sport fist --dport anus -j ACCEPT
${IPTABLES) -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s female/16 --sport finger --dport anus -j ACCEPT

${IPTABLES} -t filter -A OUTPUT -d female/16 -j DROP

# TODO: IMPLEMENT NAT AND DMZ
# -- Finish

SuSE is not free (0, Troll)

babychess (452803) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394375)

Yast, the SuSE installation program is not free [suse.com] , and does not comply to the Open Source definition. Remember that when choosing between SuSE and other distros.

Using it since 14 days / kernel problems (5, Informative)

tjansen (2845) | more than 12 years ago | (#3394412)

I am using it since 14 days now (live in Germany and subscribed it). It's ok, not many noticable improvements over 7.3 beside KDE 3.0. But what really annoys me is that the kernel is not very stable, at least for some activities. When trying to rip a CD my system freezes after a few minutes. I ripped several dozen CDs with 7.3 without a single problem. Another good way to crash the kernel is to listen to audio using an USB audio device. Sometimes it crashes after 5 minutes, sometimes after 60 minutes, but it will always crash. Since 7.3's had a bug that prevented USB audio from working it's still an improvement, but not a very good one. Playing Tribes 2 with the Nvidia drivers is better, it only crashes after several hours, and I had the same problems with Suse 7.3 as well, at least after the last driver update.
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