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Vegas: Monorails v. Gridlock

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the ring-came-off-my-pudding-can dept.

Technology 478

TimeTrip writes "Vegas seems to be taking a little cue from Disney. 'Las Vegas, which never stops thinking big, has just embarked on its most ambitious, costly attempt to solve a problem that once seemed impossible to have in this sprawling desert valley: gridlock. It is building the nation's largest monorail system.'" Or maybe they'll be taking their cue from Lyle Lanly. Frankly this sounds more like a Shelbyville idea.

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how about... (1)

KaizerWill (240074) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399024)

Marge vs the Monorail???

Re:how about... (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399052)

Sir, Would you like to touch my penis?
I would enjoy it if you beat it with a stick and
called me a "Gibbly Nagger"

Prez Sez (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399026)

Monorails are for losers. Take it up the sweet buttery cornhole, slashfags, RMS is waiting for you to suck his cock.

one question (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399028)

Were you sent here by the devil?

one answer (1)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399034)


No... Prolly not.

Re:one question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399041)

no, good sir, i'm on the level.

TP!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399030)

Purd Toast!!
i mean
Third post!!!

Did someone say....... (0, Redundant)

hoya98 (530959) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399032)

MONORAIL!

Is there a chance the track could bend? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399039)

Not on your life, my hindu friend!

Or... (0, Flamebait)

ISEENOEVIL (206770) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399040)

Just make bigger and wider highways like Houston.

Obligatory (5, Funny)

teslatug (543527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399042)

The Monorail Song:
Monorail Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth Like a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail! What'd I say? Ned Flanders: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: What's it called? Patty+Selma: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail! [crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically] Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud... Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud. Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend? Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend. Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs? Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs. Abe: Were you sent here by the devil? Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level. Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can. Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man. I swear it's Springfield's only choice... Throw up your hands and raise your voice! All: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: What's it called? All: Monorail! Lyle Lanley: Once again... All: Monorail! Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken... Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken! All: Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! [big finish] Monorail! Homer: Mono... D'oh!

Re:Obligatory (1)

teslatug (543527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399055)

damn formatting, here you go [geocities.com]

Re:Obligatory (2)

Brendan Byrd (105387) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399139)

And that would be a poor GeoCities site getting /.ed to hell and back...

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399180)

Argh! Where is your .sig from? Who is he again! Argh!

This is by far (-1)

Dick Veiney (553663) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399076)

the most pathetic thing I've seen on slashdot today, and that's pretty fucking pathetic in real life terms. When you've regurgitated some fucking Simpsons script, there's a pretty good clue that you should have been eaten in a soup as a newborn.

Re:Obligatory (2)

Yorrike (322502) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399181)

Ah yes, that episode had some classic quotes in it.

Lyle Lanley: Mono means one and rail means rail, and so concludes our extensive three week course.

TV Voice: Actual institute may not match photo

Homer: Donuts, is there anything they can't do?

I could go on......

Oooh the monorail---- (1)

Gerrioholic99 (309014) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399043)

What a fun and thrilling ride.. Always a real gamble. It really fits into the theme of Vegas too... What a nice family town

Article text In Case Of Slashdot Effect / Laziness (-1, Redundant)

JayAndSilentBob (517888) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399045)

By Rene Sanchez Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, April 23, 2002; Page A01 LAS VEGAS -- The trains will zip through the heart of the Strip, curving along an elevated track that rises 50 feetabove the ground and dimming their lights on nighttime trips so passengers see the city flash by in all of its gaudy neon splendor. "We want them to think it's like a ride at Disneyland," said Bob Broadbent, who leads the project, "not public transportation." Las Vegas, which never stops thinking big, has just embarked on its most ambitious, costly attempt to solve a problem that once seemed impossible to have in this sprawling desert valley: gridlock. It is building the nation's largest monorail system. Plans call for the line to stretch up to seven miles by the time construction ends later this decade, with stops at most casinos, downtown and the local convention center. Sleek bullet-shaped trains will be run by computers, not drivers, and travel up to 50 miles per hour on a winding route above roadways. There will also be unusual safeguards. Since more than a few riders here are bound to be sloshed by more than a few drinks, every stop will be walled and sealed in glass, with doors timed to open only at the moment trains arrive -- so no one in a stupor falls from a platform. "We had to keep the nature of the city in mind," said Todd Walker, director of communications for the company managing the monorail. The $650 million project is unique -- it will be America's first urban monorail built on a grand scale. But it is not just another Vegas thrill. It is also a sign of a budding revolution in the West. The region is growing faster than any other part of the country. And its population boom is creating so much congestion on roads that for the first time many western cities are getting desperate to coax residents out of their cars and on to some form of mass transit. In Phoenix, officials are making plans for a 20-mile commuter rail, now that voters there have taken the rare step of raising taxes to help pay for the project. Denver is extending some of its new commuter rails and a proposed monorail downtown is a subject of fervent debate. Salt Lake City just opened it first light-rail line. In Seattle, one of the few places in the country besides theme parks that already has a monorail, a measure to expand the one-mile line is heading to the ballot this fall. "Forget about the mentality that this is the frontier. It's not anymore, it's getting crowded," said Robert Dunphy, a senior fellow at the Urban Land Institute. "Cities in the West are realizing that they've got to get more serious about transit. And in some places, they're starting from scratch." No place is trying harder to change its mindset than metropolitan Las Vegas. Its population has nearly doubled in the past decade, and many of the 1.5 million people now living here work or play along the four miles of the Strip. Then there are the tourists. About 35 million of them also swarm the city every year, and most of them arrive or get around in cars. The local bus service has three times as many riders as it did a decade ago. Roads have been widened, and widened again. Local leaders have even gone to the extreme of paying some residents to stop driving. One new program is a citywide game of chance: Anyone who comes to work by bus, bike or commuter van at least four times a month is eligible to enter a weekly drawing that rewards 100 people with $100 each. Dozens of local companies are participating in that campaign by recording how their employees get to work. But the streets are still clogged. Even one recent Monday afternoon, when Las Vegas seemed to be taking a rare nap, several dozen cars were still stacked bumper-to-bumper waiting for traffic signals near the Strip to change. Traffic gets choked so often on Las Vegas Boulevard, which rolls through the center of the Strip, that transit officials no longer print schedules for that bus route. It's anyone's guess when a bus will arrive. At some hours of the day, and especially on weekends, walking from one end of the Strip to the other can take less time than driving. But the gridlock also fouls sidewalks with exhaust fumes. Many residents here say they have stopped coming downtown to restaurants or shows because they are sick of the traffic. "We don't have a way to solve this problem anymore just by continuing to add more roadways," said Jacob Snow, general manager of the Regional Transportation Commission here. "We've become a big city, and we have no choice but to deal with this in a big and a different way." Las Vegas has been contemplating a monorail for nearly 30 years. Twice, plans to build a system similar to the one now being built, collapsed. But the latest attempt appears to have all the financing and political support that it needs. The first four miles of the rail project are being funded entirely with private money raised through tax-free bonds. The second phase, which will add another three miles to the line, will take $300 million in public money. Eight casinos, worried that traffic is beginning to hurt business, also are spending about $5 million each to build monorail station stops on their properties. The monorail's initial line is scheduled to open in two years. Eventually, its backers hope to extend the system to the airport and to the city's expanding suburbs. Monorail officials predict more than 19 million people a year will pay $2.50 for a ride around town that will be cheaper than cabs and faster than buses or cars. The trains will come a few minutes apart and be able to transport 400 people. But the project, in keeping with the Vegas spirit, is a big gamble. Several neighboring casinos already are linked by free trams that are popular, but Las Vegas has never placed a larger bet on a form of public transportation that is foreign to many of its residents and visitors. Other western cities are facing similar doubts that rails will cure their growing problems with gridlock. In Arizona, voters placed a 20-year limit on the transportation tax they approved for a rail system, in case it flops. Some western lawmakers also say such projects are unnecessary or too expensive. "This is the kind of place where the car has always been such a big part of your life, some people hardly even know that we have buses," said Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman. "We're trying to give them incentives to get out of their cars, but it takes more than a pittance. It could be very difficult to change people's habits. But there's no question we'll have to if we keep growing like this. What's happening is phenomenal, and there's no end in sight." Planners already are working on strategies to make the monorail enticing. New technology may allow passengers to ride trains by using the same key card they use for their hotel rooms, with charges showing up on their bill when they check out. Frequent riders also may get discount passes. Walker, a Las Vegas native, expects locals to board, too. "It used to take only about 10 minutes to get pretty much anywhere in town," he said. "Now, you almost always have to figure that it's going to take at least half an hour. People are really getting tired of all the headaches of traffic." A nonprofit corporation whose board is appointed by Nevada's governor is managing the monorail system. The state legislature also backs the project. Delegations from other western cities have come to study its blueprint. Monorail officials say they are confident the system will eliminate millions of car trips. They are already promoting it with heavy doses of Vegas glitz. The groundbreaking ceremony last fall featured an Elvis impersonator and showgirls. "Everyone has known for years we need something like this," said Broadbent, the monorail chairman. He is a former county commissioner in Las Vegas who saw the earlier projects fail. "This is just the first time we've got just about everyone to agree it's feasible. We really don't have any other choices. "We're growing so much," he said, "it has to be successful." © 2002 The Washington Post Company

fucking shit (-1)

Dick Veiney (553663) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399046)

look out for excessive retarded Simpson's references, oh wait, too late. You fucking ass-lappers.

Vegas Twist (5, Insightful)

yintercept (517362) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399047)

Anyone who comes to work by bus, bike or commuter van at least four times a month is eligible to enter a weekly drawing that rewards 100 people with $100 each.

I love the vegas twist on mass transit. Instead of throwing your dollar into a meter, you get to toss it into a one armed bandit. I can see the lines of blue haired ladies lining up for their chance to play a role of the bus.

Re:Vegas Twist (2, Troll)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399138)

No doubt they'll find some way to install slot machines on the monorail too - or even maybe a blackjack table in the restaurant car!

The glass protected stations (4, Informative)

Cheetah86 (136854) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399050)

Glass protected stations that protect people from walking on the track are not new. In London I remember going to an underground stop which had glass doors so you couldn't go on the track. It is a good idea to implement it in Las Vegas though.

Re:The glass protected stations (2, Insightful)

H1r0Pr0tag0n1st (449433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399191)

Seattle, which has had a monorail since 68 to transport between the space needle and down town has a really cool enclosed track siding with little ramps that reach out to the sides of the cars once the train is in position. This is of course to keep the shivering tourists from plunging 50 feet to their deaths. They only have them at one of the two stops though. Back in the day when I was but a lad you would occasionally see the more daring (or stupid) teenagers jump out onto the rail and back at the down town (now enclosed) end of the line.

Yeah, but read that again and think about it... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399197)

There will also be unusual safeguards. Since more than a few riders here are bound to be sloshed by more than a few drinks, every stop will be walled and sealed in glass, with doors timed to open only at the moment trains arrive -- so no one in a stupor falls from a platform.

Hey, that's great, we can look forward to drunken sots riding around all night on the monorail in their own pool of spew. That's a real attraction, isn't it?

"Look kids, a pyramid, Venice, a castle, a pirate ship! Honey, don't keep away from that man Aren't the bright lights don't stick your food in that, it's disgusting beautiful? Would you like to go to the top or the Mister, put that whiskey bottle away and don't look at my kid like that or there's gonna be some real trouble Stratosphere?"

Sounds interesting to me... (1)

JakeSpencer (119978) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399054)

Well, I've never been to Vegas, but I've heard that the dry desert air plays some funny optical illusion tricks with your eyes and makes distances look much shorter than they actually are, tricking people into walking much more than they normally would. Riding a monorail beats all that exhausting physical activity any day of the week in my book.

Re:Sounds interesting to me... (2)

gUmbi (95629) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399185)

I've heard that the dry desert air plays some funny optical illusion tricks with your eyes and makes distances look much shorter than they actually are

I think it has to do with the fact that the casino's are MASSIVE and there's nothing in between to help judge the distance.

Jason.

Monorail (0, Redundant)

rmohr02 (208447) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399058)

Lyle Lanley: Well sir, there's nothin' on earth like a genuine, bonafide, electrified, six-car monorail!
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle: What's it called?
Patty & Selma: Monorail
Lyle: That's right, monorail!
All: Monorail, monorail, monorail...
Ms Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud
Lyle: It glides as softly as a cloud
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle: Not on your life, my Hindu friend
Barney: What about us braindead slobs?
Lyle: You'll be given cushy jobs
Grampa: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle: No, good sir, I'm on the level
Chief Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can
Lyle: Take my pen knife, my good man
I swear it's Springfield's only choice
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle: Once again!
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken
Bart: Sorry, mom, the mob has spoken
All: Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!
Homer Mono- d'oh!

Re:Monorail (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399097)

How is that a troll? The moderators really are on crack, aren't they?

The Odd Mod (2)

realgone (147744) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399187)

Bah, mod this parent up to at least its base 0.

Seriously, I mean the AC's right. The post in question clearly wasn't a troll. Heck, I'd even hesistate to mod the original down as Redundant, seeing as it came only two minutes after the first posting of the song. And come on, given the article topic, it's not like you didn't expect the song to make a showing, right? =)

Re:Monorail (0)

gotr00t (563828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399130)

I'm pretty suprised at the fact that a LOT of people actually get the joke (you'd have to be a Simpsons fan). As for me, I don't remember the whole entire song, but it sure was a good episode. I seriously doubt that the Las Vegas monorail would be a huge scam, though....

Nice project (0)

Slash Veteran (561542) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399059)

The good thing about Vegas is the city really does put its money where its mouth is. Other cities hem and haw with city planning, impact fees, trying to please developers, homeowners, and real estate agents. It's an impossible trifecta.

Vegas has consistently chosen to identify the problem and solve it, telling the various special interests to love it or lump it.

Make no mistake -- it's the dollar in action, but I say: whatever works.

Re:Nice project (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399087)

Join the Great Slashdot Blackout [slashdot.org] April 21-27

Might I suggest changing your sig...

*cough*hypocrite*cough* (3, Funny)

jaxdahl (227487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399092)

Look at your sig... this is the 3rd day of said blackout.. and you're POSTING constructive comments to the story? I don't think this tactic is working out very well, sorry to say. I pity you.

If you really wanted to make an impact, you'd really need to get together way more users to boycott slashdot than what is going on now.

Re:*cough*hypocrite*cough* (3, Troll)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399140)

Hey, it's like a bumper sticker that says "Take Mass Transit!" Every driver I know wants everyone else to take mass transit, may be this guy wants everyone else to boycott Slashdot comments.

Re:Nice project (0, Troll)

charon_on_acheron (519983) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399177)

I was planning on pointing out that for years the Mafia built and controlled Las Vegas. They are not the type to abide by anyone's wishes but their own. They may put their money where their mouth is, but they also put their guns where their money is.

Also, I was planning to say that there is little to no native wildlife to worry about. Sure, there are a few cactuses ('cacti' looks so idiotic) and lizards left, but most everything has already been transmorgified into the perfect vacation spot. Why do any environmental impact studies when there isn't any environment left?

As I say, I was planning on posting this response to your post, but then I saw your sig. Since I know you are obviously boycotting Slashdot right now, there is no point in saying any of this. It will just be ignored.

cmdrgordita (1)

alphaparadigm (306270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399060)

Even with your simpsons references you shall never be cool or accepted! And this story is something for WIRED to fill up their crappy pages with, not something I actually want to leran.

Monorails are great! (0, Redundant)

clintp (5169) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399061)

Just ask Ogdenville, North Haverbrook, and Brockway!

Well, sir, there's nothing on earth like a genuine, bona fide, electrified, six-car monorail!

Monorail (1)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399062)

They've been trying to expand the monorail in Seattle for years without any luck. It's a great idea if it can be implimented. I think it would work quite well in Vegas as it's an amusement park in and of itself.

Re:Monorail (3, Interesting)

PurpleFloyd (149812) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399183)

The problem with expanding the Seattle monorail is that it was designed more as a novelty than anything: it took people from downtown to Seattle Center (the site of the World's Fair). As such, it was never designed to be expanded; the planners never really thought beyond the end of the fair (although it was pitched as a marvelous solution to all sorts of transit problems, it was built almost entirely for the "Wow, neat!" factor). If Vegas builds a monorail network as part of a serious public transit program, it will probably be built with expandability in mind.

The monorail song. (-1, Redundant)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399064)


For those interested:

Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth Like a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail! ... What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail! [crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll all be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man. I swear it's Springfield's only choice... Throw up your hands and raise your voice! All: [singing] Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: [singing] Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! [big finish] Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!

To quote Mayor Quimby: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399065)

"We're twice as smart as the people of Shelbyville! Just tell us your idea, and we'll vote for it!!" :D

Ahh, Marge vs. the Monorail, one of the many amazing episodes of The Simpsons, Season 4.

build your own backyard monorail (2, Interesting)

rtphokie (518490) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399067)

http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Niles.html

Let me be the first to ask... (1, Troll)

kypper (446750) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399068)

For a population of 2 million, why?
I mean, they have a bus transportation system (the CAT bus, which apparently sucks, but anyway)

The world... she makes no sense!

Sigh... (4, Insightful)

Silver222 (452093) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399108)

It's for the tourists, not the residents.

Re:Let me be the first to ask... (2)

ZxCv (6138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399118)

The monorail is mainly meant for the downtown/Strip area of the city. That is where 95% of the touristy shit is, so it is always congested in that area of town, no matter what time of day or night it is. They say something about expanding to suburbs down the road, but I truly wonder if that will happen.

Re:Let me be the first to ask... (2)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399127)

I remember the monorail at Disneyland. It is a smooth, efficient ride along what is pretty much a bridge. Not a big bridge, but pretty much an economical, space efficient concrete covered I-beam that twists around the taller buildings and sights.

Quite a view. Much less obtrusive than paving right of ways for new highways or widening the existing roads. I don't think you would find too much objections from business owners having supports for the system mounted next to their billboards and such. It doesn't cast much of a shadow, and they are very quiet with their electric motors.

They are not very fast due to the mechanical aspect of gripping the structure. It wouldn't be efficient on maintenence to have them flying at 150mph or anything. Too much wear and tear on the tires and concrete structure for something that has to grip at such high tolerances.

Its more the scenerey, I guess. Economical. Quiet. Relaxing.

Extending to the airport (4, Insightful)

PhunkyOne (531072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399070)

It would be great if they extended it to the airport right away...this is one of my favorite features of paris or london. You don't have to mess around getting a taxi or bus into town. You grab your bag, catch the tube and away you go. This would be great for people who JUST want to gamble, and it seems there are many of those...catch the train and get to business, especially if there will be rail stations at major casinos

Personally though all I can think about is the Monorail Simpsons Episode...Doh!

Re:Extending to the airport (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399188)

.this is one of my favorite features of paris or london. You don't have to mess around getting a taxi or bus into town. You grab your bag, catch the tube and away you go.

I'll agree. Having only experienced the Boston T, I was quite doubtful about mass transit options.

Then I visited Switzerland (Zurich in particular). For about $35 you get a full month on *all* the public transit in the near Zurich area. And it's convenient. Along the main tram lines, there are stops every 2-3 blocks or so, and the trains come so often that if your going anymore than 1-2 stops down the road, it's quicker to wait and grab the tram for the next 2 stops than to walk it.

One thing I particualrly liked was the ease of transfers. Zurich has Bus, Trolley Bus and Trams - not subways. The upshot of this is that all public transport stops are on-grade. There is no hastle of walking underground as with a subway. This makes transfering to a different line as easy as walking across the street. Compare this to Boston, where a Blue line - Orange line transfer has you walking the equivalent of 5-10 blocks. Not to mention the fact that the stops, being above ground, are more scenic than the concrete tubes of Boston :)

I think one of the things that makes it work is that tickets are on the honor system. There's an automatic dispenser at the tram stop, buy a ticket (or just buy a monthly pass at the railway station) and get on the tram. No gates, no turnstiles, no queue as you wait for the conductor to check your ticket. They take care of abuse by having the public-transport police conduct random ticket checks. If you don't have a valid ticket, you pay about $50 on the spot. Your're likely to run into them about once a week. (Since monthly passes are only about $35, traveling without a valid ticket isn't worth the risk or the hastle.)

I have an irrestible urge to break into song.. (1, Funny)

Dr. Carl Jung (559378) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399071)

Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth Like a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail! What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail! [crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man. I swear it's Springfield's only choice...Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! [big finish] Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!

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no danger (3, Funny)

Skizamaskidz (306343) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399074)

I see no forseeable danger in this at all. Just keep a big letter 'M' on the side of the train for emergency braking, along with an oversized steel donut.

Capitalism Wins! (0)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399075)

That's right folks. Take your winnings from Vegas and spend it on the Monorail to get home. And hope Homer's not driving.

Simpsons Wisecrack (5, Funny)

Stephen VanDahm (88206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399077)

Let's get this out of the way early:

SELECT *
FROM smartass_remarks
WHERE simpsons='t' AND
topic='monorail'


There.

Re:Simpsons Wisecrack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399099)

<Nelson>Haa haa!</Nelson>

Re:Simpsons Wisecrack (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399195)

"The Simpsons" sucks. It's one of the longest-running shitstains in the history of American television, and that's saying something. Matt Groening is a fucking sellout.

Monorail, shmonorail! (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399078)

Las Vegas could start by having free hotel shuttles from the fscking airport!

Am I right? Eh?!?! Ever been there, you know of what I say.

Every fscking time I've been there I have to fork over ~$10 for a Bell taxi or something, which all smell like they last scrubbed inside with a dead cat! Seriously, every other major city I've been in the big hotels have shuttles, but not LV, I swear it's a labor thing of somesort or a major bribe has been paid.

In either case, I would certainly like to see how well the monorail plan gets around to the airport.

Re:Monorail, shmonorail! (-1)

Chinese Karma Whore (560174) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399090)

you post WAY too fucking much.

Re:Monorail, shmonorail! (2)

zeno_2 (518291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399126)

Hmm.. thats pretty amazing, when I was at the Las Vegas Airport (id say around.. 1998) there was a shuttle for me when I was saying in a motel. The motel was across the strip with the airport in between the 2, so it was a pretty cheap motel and I had a shuttle.

I also had to wait for about 15min while it got there, and saw about 100 other shuttles.

Re:Monorail, shmonorail! (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399175)

The motel was across the strip with the airport in between the 2, so it was a pretty cheap motel and I had a shuttle.

Lucky you. I've stayed at the Tropicana, the Nugget and another I forget, all big hotels. Even the MGM Grand has some insane number of rooms, like 9,000+ and has no free shuttle. I just checked out the map and you'll notice the planned route for the Monorail doesn't extend to the airport, gee, that's fascinating, don't you think? It's like there's this amazing agreement that you have to pay $10 upon entering LV and another $10 upon leaving. Do the math and see how long it would take to add up enough to extend that monorail to the terminal.

Re:Monorail, shmonorail! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399199)

Interesting. When I stayed at Circus Circus, they had a shuttle to the airport, but none from it. I have to agree with your assessment that there is likely some colusion between the city and the taxi/limo companies.

A good idea....but too small (1)

littlerubberfeet (453565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399081)

Even though the 500mil plus price tag is large, this is a small project. 7miles first phase. To be of any use, it has to stretch south just a little farther to the airport. IT also needs expansion into the HUGE suburbs of vegas. Have you ever flown over Los Vegas? THe suburbs are huge, how do the support them? Anyways, Mass transit can't be something a municipality carefully wades into. They have to go and jump in with lead weights. Thats the only way for this to besome well used. And why is it so expensive? DisneyWorld has a cheaper monorail that carries less people, but proportionally, the costs of the Vegas system seem very high.

thank you, everyone who posts without reading (1)

joedoe (12577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399088)

First responses to the idea of a monorail almost always assume that it's a toy, but that mentality is only really present in the US, thanks to, of course, Disney. But stop and think about how many visitors their durable monorail systems carry, and those were designed decades ago. Modern monorails carry millions of passengers a day, mostly in Japan, where monorail technology has progressed in leaps and bounds.

So try to realise that this is real, effective transit, where it is desperately needed. Try to lay off the monorail jokes, and go visit The Monorail Society [monorails.org] for more info.

Re:thank you, everyone who posts without reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399152)

As a current resident of Japan, could you tell me where I can find these monorails that carry millions of passengers every day? It seems to me that trains are the mode of transportation of choice in these parts.

Re:thank you, everyone who posts without reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399218)

here [monorails.org] .

Reminds me of this guy.... (1)

JayAndSilentBob (517888) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399089)

This reminds me of the guy who built his own monorail in his yard. I've gotta wonder which is cheaper per mile. This guy's or the one going in Las Vegas.

Slashdot Article About Him [slashdot.org]

aoeu (-1, Offtopic)

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Someone Plz Delete Post? (0)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399117)

Scrollshock. Nuff said.

Re:Someone Plz Delete Post? (0)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399124)

sorry if that post showed up as a re: to the original topic. intended for a anonymous coward lamer post.

"I call the big one 'Bitey'" (5, Funny)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399102)

If Vegas gets a monorail, will we have HBO's "Monorail Confessions" to look forward to?

~Philly

Wish Seattle new how to start construction. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399103)

It is good to see Las Vegas actually pour some concrete. Seattle (unlike the article implies) already passed a measure to extend by up to 40 miles the mono-rail, passed taxes (well, rammed them down the throats of the sensible people that knew they'd never see service under the planned terms) for a light rail system, and has managed to spend all the allocated money without breaking ground. (they did buy the trains already, and have taken deliver on some, but not facilities to actually even house them, let alone track to run them on.) And, to make matters worse, several of the officials have admitted they grossly underestimated the costs because the voters would never have passed it with legitmate figures. So Vegas gets it right and Seattle bites.

Re:Wish Seattle new how to start construction. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399113)

My cats knew that 'new' should have been 'knew' not new. But they like to make me make mistooks :-).

Re:Wish Seattle new how to start construction. (2)

zeno_2 (518291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399135)

Washington seems to have a big problem with money. I live in Idaho myself, but work in Washington, so I hear about things here and there. Probably the most interesting fumble, is this big parking garage in Spokane Washington, that no one wants to seem to pay for. I believe some of the money was put up front by the city, but they arne't making it back or something.

I also hear that they want to use people's property taxes to help pay for the crappy roads there, because they had used the Gas Taxes for something else, or because they are trying to find the cheapest contractor to pave the roads with gravel, that gets all messed up when the winter hits here, and all the water gets under the roads, freezes, and makes potholes.

Its quite a mess, im just glad I dont live there..

Links (5, Informative)

axlrosen (88070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399104)

A few cool mockups, and some more detailed maps.

http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/LasVegas.html [monorails.org]
http://www.lvnvmonorail.com/ [lvnvmonorail.com]

Re:Links (-1, Offtopic)

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Will Spock be doing the grand opening? (2, Funny)

Remik (412425) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399110)

Quimby: And now, I'd like to turn things over to our Grand Marshall,
Mr. Leonard Nimoy.
Nimoy: I'd say this vessel could do at least Warp Five.
[appreciative laughter from the crowd]
Quimby: And let me say, ``May the Force Be With You!''
Nimoy: [annoyed] Do you even know who I am?
Quimby: [indignant] I think I do. Weren't you one of the Little Rascals?

Excessive? (1)

teslatug (543527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399116)

Why would you have it go at speeds up to 50mph if it's only 7 miles long? I would guess most people getting on it would want to see the sites around.

Vegas Mass Transit .. a Monorail?!? (1)

strredwolf (532) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399119)

A monorail? For Vegas? Talk about being a bad design if Vegas is packed full of casinos. That would involve a raised track no matter what, people going through gates, and other niceties. Plus, it may not be very stable.

But a dual-rail track design would be more stable and cost effective -- you can run regular trains if your rails are speced the same. Take Baltimore, MD's Light Rail system. They're so exact that all they need is to pass NTSB regulations.

Of course, with all the drunks out there, you may want to use Washington DC's design, which is a go-anywhere subway/ground system, using gates so all the drunks don't "accidently" run infront of a train. Baltimore's light-rail system has this annoying habbit of crushing any truck/car/semi that tries to ram into it head-on....

Built by Bombardier Transportation Systems (3, Informative)

jerryasher (151512) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399121)

Here's a page (framed, mozilla unfriendly, slow jsp) [bombardier.com]
from the principal contractor, Bombardier.

This is the largest of three monorails they are building (although they say 4 miles, not 8). What's cool is that two of the three are for systems to get around downtown, not just for a system to get you to the airport parking lot.

Unfortunately, the careers page doesn't reveal any openings. Sigh, this is the sort of socially responsible project that so many aerospace companies were to turn to after the cold war ended.

Vegas, eh? (1)

dhclab49 (567553) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399122)

I figured that was more of a Shelbyville idea....

A possible solution (1, Funny)

jconley (28741) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399125)

When a cat is dropped, it always lands on its feet.
When toast is dropped, it always lands buttered side down.

It was proposed to strap giant slabs of hot buttered toast to the back of a hundred tethered cats; the two opposing forces will cause the cats to hover, spinning inches above the ground. Using the giant buttered toast-cat array, a high-speed monorail could easily resolve Vegas Gridlock!

a different take on monorails (1)

zor_prime (42665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399128)

How about this [skytran.net] .

Though the site is cheesy in parts, the idea is sound.

Simple, fast, cheap transportation. I am a big fan, and think it would be better than a $650 million 7 mile monorail. Capacity would be a little lower per line, but lines are WAY cheaper to build.

Just a thought.

Re:a different take on monorails (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399155)

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Best... Quote... Ever... (1)

Halo- (175936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399142)

"There will also be unusual safeguards. Since more than a few riders here are bound to be sloshed by more than a few drinks, every stop will be walled and sealed in glass, with doors timed to open only at the moment trains arrive -- so no one in a stupor falls from a platform."
"We had to keep the nature of the city in mind," said Todd Walker, director of communications for the company managing the monorail."


How come I've never lived in a city where the public contractors freely admit building around the general drunkeness of the public? "Don't trust your citizens around sharp objects, electricity, or fire? No problem in our town!"

Re:Best... Quote... Ever... (1)

pennsol (317791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399202)

I lived in Reno for 2 yrs. Same rules apply. There's two rules about alcohol in NV. 1)If your outside it has to be in plastic no bottles or glasses 2)If your in a car you can have a drink as long as your not sitting in the drivers seat( which is why there so many chinese fire drills performed on the streets of Reno)..;)

length of the monorail may be good for now (1)

deft (253558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399147)

although yes, getting to the airport would be crucial in my eyes, the way that this may service the sprawling urban areas is that most people will not enter the city, but in fact drive to the ned of the run, where they will leave their cars.

i did this recently to avoid the 405 here in california (a horrible freeway for traffic), by leaving my car at universal studios, catching the train, and getting to staples center in about 10 minutes.... normally a hour at least!

its going to be a goos start... but please oh please get it to the airport terminal!

Mass Transit should be taken up more widely anyway (2)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399151)

There are plenty of reasons to encourage this sort of thing, especially when you consider the benefits from it. I am not even talking about the envrionmental benefits either. The real motivator for this should be Self Intrest. Cars are simply too expensive to be worth it.

You pay for the Car, gas, parking, insurance, and maintenence. If your able to take advantage of a decent mass transit system, you will at most need to pay for the access pass. The costs of such passes are always cheaper then the costs of using and maintaining a vehicle.

The money you save as a result of using Mass Transit can be redirected to other, more fun costs. Like Videogames, new computer gear, and other electronic goodies.

END COMMUNICATION

Coming along nicely (2)

flieghund (31725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399158)

I was just in Vegas a few weeks ago. The monorail is in various states of completion along its route, but it is very impressive. I was initially confused, as some places looked as though they were already operational; alas, there was only the track. Other places just barely had formwork in place, not even the concrete poured yet. But the really interesting thing is that the monorail seems to be "integrated" into a few of the casinos along its route, passing under/over/through some of the casino eye-candy.

From a purely selfish point of view, it makes a lot of sense for the casinos to support the project. It took 30 minutes to drive the length of the Strip during rush hour... at 3am it was closer to 5 minutes, even including a few red lights. Now, casinos really don't want you leaving, but most realize that half the people in Vegas aren't there to gamble -- but they spend money anyway, be it in the buffet line or in the themed casino shopping malls. Allowing all those mobile customers to more easily patronize your establishments makes a lot of sense.

But the best thing Las Vegas could do would be to extend the line to McCarran Airport. It's not that I minded the $5 I paid for a van ride to my hotel, it's the hour I waited for said van and the additional 30 minute ride down the Strip. A monorail would solve that problem very nicely. It would also be a natural extension of the "light-rail" line that shuttles passengers between the old and new terminal buildings within the airport. (As an architectural aside, the new terminal building is a very nice example of "high-tech" design. The cable-truss window walls [photovault.com] are especially beautiful to behold...)

They already have one... (2)

NineNine (235196) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399160)

I know that Vegas isn't really for geeks, so I figured that I'll mention that Las Vegas already has a small monorail. It goes between MGM and Bally's, and every time that I have used it it is *packed*. Not just full, but packed, and you often have to wait for 2 trips to get on. It's a *great* idea. I'll definately use it when it's done. It's hot as fuck there in the summer (120), and it's a long fucking walk between even the casinos that are close together. I'm young and healthy, and during the summer, I have trouble walking from say, Bellagio to New York, New York. I can only imagine that older people will love it. I know that I'll use it.

Re:They already have one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399212)

I'm sure you mean "Vegas isn't really for geeks" in the same way that people in Seattle say, "It rains all the time". ;-)

So why a monorail? (1)

trubador (172912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399167)

Why a monorail? How is it superior to the standard two-rail trains and subways that populate the land? Is it more stable? Safer? Cheaper to build? Cheaper to maintain? Or is it just nifty-looking, like the rest of Vegas?

Too low tech (2, Funny)

grinwell (138078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399170)

Vegas should just skip the monorail phase and go straight to transporters.

Or Segways [segway.com] . Close the strip to cars and fill the city with Segways. It'd be the perfect commercial for both the city and the Segway.

Or Trebuchets [trebuchet.com] . Boy, I'm full of helpful ideas tonight!

Shelbyville? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399171)

Isn't that a town in North Carolina?

Seattle is working on this too... (5, Informative)

km790816 (78280) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399174)

The Seattle Monorail Project [elevated.org] aims to put a monorail in downtown Seattle. It's set to be put to a vote in November, I think.

Seattle suffers from the same problem: too many damn cars. With the 2nd worst rush hour traffic in the US (behind LA) I hope they can pull it off. There have been fights with light rail folks, but I think monorail is a much better option. Keep it above grade so there is little disruption of traffic. Many claim that monorail is Mickey Mouse transit. (no thanks to certain Simpson's parodies). Keep in mind that millions use monorail daily for transportation in Japan. When the people from Seattle went over to look at Japan's system they were blown away by its efficiency and capacity. After spending time abroad, I've become very disappointed with the mass transit systems in the US (or lack there of).

We love our cars way too much.

Odd about the west. (2)

standards (461431) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399176)

I still find it curious that the west really doesn't depend on public transportation.

I live in Boston, and there is no doubt in my mind that today, tomorrow, and next week I'll be taking the train to work. It's about 10x cheaper than driving & parking in the city. And lots easier too.

I drive into work about once a month. That's plenty.

But I guess each to his own. If you love to be seen in your car, well, then I guess then that settles the issue!

Not just a Disney idea. (2, Interesting)

lostchicken (226656) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399193)

Not only is this an idea used by Disney, the trains themselves are Disney Engineering Mk.IV. class monorails. They were designed and built by Disney.

Disney replaced the Mk.IVs with Bombardier built Mk.VIs (The Mk.Vs are at DisneyLand). The new trains are inferior according to the drivers, but the trains had been aquired already. They are, in all fairness, more roomy to the passengers. Disney then sold the old Mk.IVs, still in perfect condition, to the city of Las Vegas.

So, when you are riding on a train between hotels, you are most likely riding the same train you might have riden 10 years ago at Walt Disney World.

$2.50 per trip? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399209)

The monorail could cut-out most of my commute to work each day, but at $2.50 each way, there's no way I could afford it. I make just over $6 per hour, and after taxes, SSN, etc., that comes-out to about $4 per hour. So, I would spend 1 hour 15 minutes each day working to just pay for the ride? No thanks. I'll have to thank the city counsel for building something that isn't of use to most of the people that live here.

just like north haverbrook... (1)

cypr355 (573627) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399213)

Ok, who wants to bet on when the city goes bankrupt...

I got 20 to 1 odds on 2006, place ya bets.

Oh, lord. (2)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399216)

Monorails again.

Sheesh. If monorails were really so good, they would be all over the place. But 200 years (okay, 198) years after Richard Trevithick [schoolnet.co.uk] invented the steam locomotive [google.com] (btw, the , birail systems are quite prevalent throughout the known universe [google.com] ).

Must be their inherent simplicity and stability, no? If you really look around [monorails.org] , there aren't really much monorails...

Hmm... Disney?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399220)

Monorails are a Disney thing, mainly, right? How many city officials did the Mouse buy? Judging from their track record, who knows...
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