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XFree86 10 Years Old

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the way-to-go-everyone dept.

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ChazeFroy writes "XFree86 is now 10 years old. To quote from the page, 'What makes this particularly eventful is that it is fully backwards compatible; this is a true testament to the spirit of the original X protocol of which XFree86 is its finest implementation.'" Ten years and still binary compatible. Very cool.

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2nd post (-1)

Anonymous Cunt (571958) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399886)

This is informative.

Re:2nd post (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400007)

Indeed. It's kinda cool. Ten years, and only 4 versions. Certainly not shovelware, and X4 is VERY cool indeed.

fr0st p1st (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399889)

frost pist, bizaaaatch!

Imagine... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399892)

...A beowulf cluster of \"XFree86 10 Years Old\"

10 years with binary compat; you would think.... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399893)

There would be a plethora of decent applications for it by now.

Oh well.

It is strange that in *nix the best stuff is run in 132 columns - still.

Re:10 years with binary compat; you would think... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399913)

You fucking mod troll, you fool What is redundant is that after 10 years the apps still look like shit, and the WManagers rehash other crap that is deprecated.

Spin a top, bubble boy with the propeller hat, you fucking loon. Take a peek at OS X and see what even fucking crapple can whip up like a short order cook. That stuff looks and feels better than any of the festering shit out there attempting to be a GUI for *nix.

I love *nix, man, but the only useable rendition of it on a daily basis is an Apple product right now.

So mod away, fuckmod. It was funny.

APPLE is for Homosexuals like you! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399942)

HOMOSEXUALS like design stuff like that... OS X and APPLE are for HOMOS like you, you fucking dickwad!! Eat your dickcheese!!

Re:APPLE is for Homosexuals like you! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399955)

I don't even care for Crapple, notice the "Crapple" Fucktard. You illiterate fucktard.

My point is rehashing NeXT, emulating a Windos UI or coming up with plain crap, like E, is not working.

GayDE 3.X has a chance. I call it gay because of the old QT being closed/mislicensed horse shit. I use *nix for industrial apps, not viewing k1dd13 pr0n like you do on you win kiddie box. Shut your cakehole.

One word for *nix GUI "COHERENCY" - TIS SI BETTAR - LOOK IT UP IN THE INTARNET GUIDO.

Re:APPLE is for Homosexuals like you! (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:APPLE is for Homosexuals like you! (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:10 years with binary compat; you would think... (0)

ObitMan (550793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399917)

Here are some more links [petersharpe.com] Honoring the event!

Much more importantly (4, Interesting)

rcs1000 (462363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399895)

XFree86 is now easy to install. Does anyone remember, back in the early 1990s, going through the agony of trying to get XFree to run on a Linux box? Why it didn't have 'standard' 1024x800 screen mode, I'll never know.

So driver manuals were dug out, guesses made for my monitor maxmum horizontal something rate. Huge configuration files edited. Even though, as a complete newbie, I had no idea what the various things I was changing did.

But! When it worked... I never went back to Windows again...

Re:Much more importantly (0, Offtopic)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399909)

Happy B-day :-)
Where 's the cake?

Re:Much more importantly (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399915)

1024x768?

Re:Much more importantly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399944)

I sure as hell am not Palestinian you lunatic. I hate that sig. Here is a treatment of WHITE MEN.
Trains, planes, cars, rockets, telescopes, tires, telephones, radios, television, electricity, atomic energy, computers, and fax machines. All miracles made possible by the minds and spirits of men with names like Ampere, Bell, Caselli, Edison, Ohm, Faraday, Einstein, Cohen, Teller, Shockley, Hertz, Marconi, Morse, Popov. Ford, Volta, Michelin, Dunlop, Watt, Diesel, Galileo, and other "dead white males."

All reports indicate that we have a booming economy right now, but few understand why this is so. I hate to disappoint my friends on the radical left, but it has nothing to do with Bonnie and Clyde Clinton or the Democratic Party, or with any other party for that matter. What I'm about to say is tantamount to blasphemy in this politically correct day and age; yet truth is truth. How long are we going to pretend that origins play no role in our world, the origins of the inventions, science, technology, and economics of the world in which we live?

Our present economic boom is due to the revolution in electronics and computer technology. But saying this is not enough, for these things didn't just spring into existence by themselves. They have traceable origins. And all of our "booms," throughout history, have the same origins as this one. It's no mystery. Just look at the list of names in your history books, and their national origins.

The great majority of "booms" past and present have been brought about by the genius and inventiveness of that most "despicable" of genders, the dreaded white male, or, to be exact, by specific, individual white males. This is not to discredit the many contributions coming from non-whites, but fact is fact. Our most important and consequential inventions have come almost exclusively from white males.

Curse me, or all white males, if you wish, that changes nothing. But if you call me a liar, you'll have to come up with the proof that I'm wrong. Remember, I didn't say there were no important contributions by non-whites; I said the overwhelming majority. Of course, I know about such things as the Chinese and gunpowder, but they didn't take it much beyond firecrackers and pyrotechnics. And I know about the pyramids and masonry of South America and the zero of the Arabs.

Would we have atomic physics and electricity if it hadn't been for the ancient Greek philosophers who, for example, had the idea that all matter consists of tiny atoms? Aristotle (5th century, B.C., 25th century pre P.C.) used electric charges to treat gout! Archimedes perceived the center of gravity of solids, cylinders, and spheres. From the basic discoveries of Greek civilization it went to the Romans and after the fall of Rome, it passed to later Europeans who expanded on this scientific knowledge. In modern times these ideas were developed by such Europeans as Volta, Ampere, Watts, Bell, Edison, and Einstein, who provided the basis for most of the technical wonders of today. All of them dreaded white males.

Maybe you got your enlightenment from one of the Ivy-League institutions of dis-education. Maybe they taught you that it's all the result of white racism and oppression. That every time a potential Einstein, Edison, or Ford popped up in the Third World, a White hit-squad would swoop down and eliminate him before he had a chance to prove himself. Or maybe their schools refused to teach him in the Ebonics of his day. Or maybe they didn't have proper daycare facilities. Or maybe our would-be innovator came from a "dysfunctional family."

But the facts tell us that many of the great men pursued their genius at great personal risk--like the astronomer Galileo, who proved that the earth revolves around the sun. He and other men of genius and courage refused to be suppressed even if it meant their lives. They would permit no race, gender, group or class to keep them from their pursuit of truth and excellence whatever the cost.

If you eliminate, suppress, or debase the while male, you kill the goose that laid the golden egg. If you ace him out with "affirmative" action, exile him from the family, teach him that he's a blight on mankind, then bon voyage to our society. We will devolve into a turd-world cesspool. Where has there ever before in history been a group of human beings who have brought about the likes of the Magna Carta, the US Constitution, and the countless life-saving and life- improving inventions that we now enjoy?

Now it is certainly true that China did lead the world in technology and commercial inventiveness about 1,000 years ago. They had great coal-mining operations, gunpowder, six-masted sailing ships, and intense commercial enterprise. But it all collapsed because the elites, the long-nailed Mandarins, centralized control--1,000 years before Mao--and crushed the expansion and inventions.

Does this mean we should sit back and let ourselves be governed by someone just because he's a white male? Of course, it doesn't. It means simply that we shouldn't suppress anyone, including white males. Let our God-given gifts run free in a free and just society, free from the oppression and tyranny of social engineers. If anyone has gifts beyond our own, be he a white male or other, be grateful. Maybe we have gifts that in some small way can contribute something of value as well. One way or another, we're all in the same boat. Few of us have truly outstanding gifts. And most of us have to humbly accept that there are others around who are more gifted than we are. In a democratic society it's not for Big Brother to decide who shall thrive and who shall struggle in the hive.

Wah. Wah. Cry wah. Fuck you commie. You leftish shit. Lets make the doors out of paper to let the burgulars in, give a big hug and try to kiss and make friends lalalalalal.

This thread is making me sick, and all the commie leftist biased shit going on makes me even more sick.

There are those few people here which have said some conservative sense to these leftists that would teach gay love to young boys for the sake of diversity.

No one holds a gun to your head to eat that fuckin' McDonalds. NO ONE. These third world saps suck up American culture because they are busy chopping clitorises off of women, suppressing ethnic minority groups though genocide or some other bull shit.

People are way to young and don't read much history. Ask Tibet how it likes China's takeover. Ask the Chinks how they like the Japs when they killed 100,000's during the occupation of Manchuria. Ask any of the down trodden eastern Europeans how it felt to have the long spear of the Soviet Ramrod up their asses during the cold war days? How bout a nice day in a GOULAG? How about making bomb shelters in Iraq near legit military targets to get "bad lefty communist like Christiana AMAPOUR to report civvie deaths even though Hussein is at fault?" How about starving Iraqi "children" aka terrorists in training starving to death because their leader is spending upwards ot 50B/year in WMD research. How about Canada and France selling No. Ko. reactor parts, great fuckin friends we have. How about getting the death penalty in Singapore for smoking a joint? How about giving the Middle East nations the oil fields back (after we built huge oil platforms for them, because the tent dwelling cretins were too fucking retarded to do it themselves). Oh, Mr. Bad USA, gave the panama canal back. How about a USA so weak right now fucking Chinks want to buy out Global Crossing (a big chunk of the FUCKING INTERNET WE INVENTED, PIONEERED) after the chinks were handed all sorts of shit by the CLINTOON administration, and Terry McAuliffe.

FUCK TIHS ANTI AMERICAN shit. all the foreigners who get here legally stay for a fucking damn good reason. And I welcome you, so long as you pay taxes - do what you fuckin want.

This is historically unfounded. We get over our vices and inconsistencies fast here. USA makes mistakes, but the Sudanese still have slavery, we don't. We got over slavery damn quick compared to the rest of the world. We came a long way on suffrage (the right to vote to all the bleeding heart commies who have yet to pay much into the system yet). We may not be perfect yet, but shit, its far from shit. very far.

I hate the commie shit socialists who want the least common denominator for everyone.

FUCK YOU. Id rather nuke your ass and suck up some nice radiation I paid for that share my home with you fucking lazy un-working vermin.

I'll never worry about losing the cure for cancer by nuking dumps like Iraq, because these defunct shithead countries will never make one.

There is so much trash going around on this thread, it makes me laugh. Pseudo educated suppressed homosexuals (not that homosexuality is bad, but suppressing it, geeze you liberal fucks should spread the cheeks and get it done with, you spit your wad a lot harder when the person fucking your ass has a towel on his head) eructating puerile shit.

I'm glad we are planning to make it possible to put me into bondage. I would rather die than be in bondage to these shitty subversive chinks or commies or morally bankrupt suppressive shitass Islamic Towelheads.

We have said for 40 years plus, you do it, you think about it, and you are gone. the red button gets pressed, the red telephone gets slammed on the receiver.

The Japs did well surrendering to us. They are the second or third largest economy in the World, jeeze, the USA really sucks to surrender to , huh? You tools need to think - you really think the US didn't do them a favor by burning down that house? They made off with our car industry for Christ's sake, and boy, I do love driving my Japanese car - its great. And I fucking paid it off in 9 months, $33,000 bucks. And not, its not public property, you cant have a ride, fuck off , its mine I PAID FOR IT. None of this commie shit.

John Walker scume floating around Marin. Bezerkelyite fuckers with Barney Telletubbie view of the world scumballing their shit subversive agenda.

I must say, piss on John Asscraft for being a fascist shit. I may hate you leftist fuck commies, but this right wing fascist shit sucks too.

Really, really. What is going on? There are circles of power, some leaning left, some leaning right, some existing for themselves. They divide the people of the world, always focusing on what makes us different! Are you a fag or not? Are you black or white? Are you left or right? Are you a fat fuck? You know what - I don't give a shit what you are, and that's still my fucking car. The circles of power want us to fight amongst ourselves while the prance off with all the fucking money and power.

Everyone wants a nice Japanese import car, real medical care (not socialized shit, like that shit in the UK where if you reach a certain age you entitlement to care is GONE, like if you get dialysis, hit age 65, they PULL THE FUCKING PLUG, because they are commie shits), they want halfway decent schools, freedom to think etc. We got all that here. I live it. You fall on your face here because you are lazy, not a caste system.

Tactical nukes are appropriate, and we had the finger on the button the last 50 years, we just want to remind the world, hey, have a wet dream, and well have a coupla kilotons of force to save us some money.

Appeasing Hitler landed Neville Chamberlain in the historical doghouse, and it took Winston Churchill to show the world the right way. To quote Churchill, "'Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others,'"

All high and mighty EU, they armed these fucking countries. Half the Islamic nations shit came from French military hardware, roundly supplemented by the zipper heads. The I hear some leftist shit in this thread quote MAO the DUNG on the US being the "paper tiger". HAH. Nice life expectancy in China there, Mao Tse Dung. Nice going, harvesting organs from political prisoners for the highest bidders and government dignitaries.

Commies say big business is evil. Hah. The "Evil" Big Business: Doesn't exist like you think it does. I am in a small business. My small business was created from money from big business to innovate new technology to stop Internet DDOS attacks. The innovation would be a B2B service for medium and small businesses. I get my health care, dental, paid vacation and education subsidy either directly or indirectly from Big "Evil?" Business. One could way to make things work better would be to give outright tax credits to companies doing good things in their communities, like building schools or repairing roads or bridges. I'm sure HP could negotiate a better price for the "NEW BAY AREA BRIDGE" than the cabal of stupid idiots running Oakland and San Francisco. Now that I think of HP, I think of a huge company that has built several hospitals and given BILLIONS of dollars in charity through the "David and Lucille Packard Foundation" - established 1964. General Electric was run by a bottom-to-top rags-to-riches engineer-to-CEO JACK WELCH [http://www.straightfromthegut.com/ good book]. Mr. Welch, a native of Salem, Massachusetts, served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Electric from 1981-2001. He was nicknamed "Chainsaw" or "Neutron Jack" because he fired people. He was painted as evil He was the epitome of an evil CEO. Yeah riiiight. He fired the lower 10% every year. He removed the bottom 10% with sound metrics. He FIRED losers. And those vocal minority losers who can't work up to corporate standards whined and pissed and made the public think that he was "EVIL." The losers seem to speak up the loudest. By the way, GE has a long standing tradition of employee investment - education subsidy, good pensions, health care, etc etc. Yeah, GE dumped shit in the Hudson. Yes, GE made mistakes. The Chinese STILL dump shit in their rivers, we stopped doing it 30 years ago. Does it help GE to maximize shareholder profit if they are being forced to clean up shit they dump? No, so they stopped doing it a LONG time ago. Are some businesses evil? Yes. Are they all, flat out NO. It doesn't pay long term to be "evil."

Point: Be angry at the media for sucking, be angry at the government for wasting your money. Unless we get a western version of Mohandas Gandhi, be angry with every single Congressman, Senator whatever else. They step on your heads everyday.

Time to go read about some new scientific discoveries or new information about open source software or something interesting. Politics suck.

God I love those Krauts too. The fucking purified leftovers from the National Socialist party. Fuck you krauts. You started two god damn world wars. This Eurotarded Eurotrash Union is a suck bag quagmire of shit.

And these Towelheads and their newfound love for Palestine. Keep in mind these Palestinian vagrants have been booted out of every ISLAMIC nation they try to infect. They are hooligan vagrants , and if you replaced Israel with lets say, a pro Towel regime like France, they would be next on hit list of all the adjacent Arab nations. No one wants to pay for these tent toting Neanderthalic holdovers from the 3rd century. May as well kill them. We wont have to in the long run, the morally bankrupt Islamic nations will mop them up for us when they have expired their usefulness to their twisted cause.

And everyone blames DUBYA, like one person runs the fucking country. Meanwhile, the Congress and Senate make all the fuckin laws, the only power W gets is a big fat Veto. There isn't much the legislative branch can't override. DYBYA has an big administration, so of it is typical Right wing special interest trash, some of it is true blue pro the future of America. Shit, these people have to have some notion of self preservation. Every single Bush family relative isn't surviving WWIII, fuck, I'd be willing to be that 90% of everyone in that administration's extended families would be dead as doornails if there was an all out nuclear conflict. No one wants an extended nuclear conflict, but I would pay front row admission to see bin Towelheads skin get baked off by a tactical nuke dropped off by a Predator or some shit. You don't eve have to aim.

The geopolitical situation in the world is not solely exacerbated by the US. It is bullshit to think that this country control the world's direction. People want what we have and aren't willing to adopt our ways. We get what we want by worshipping our own dollar, more than POWER or RELIGION. Its only natural cretins don't catch on to this and feel like trying to defeat us "imperialists." Hey, quick secret you fuckers who hate us - STOP BUYING AND SELLING SHIT TO US, STOP USING OUR CURRENCY. I would be willing to bet that most of the world printed US currency isn't even in the US. Out of many one, e plurbus unum. Printed on the fucking money. I don't buy trickle down doesn't work either, our success trickles down. People think we should have the upper hand after we invent all this shit and create a venue for success because they are failures in life and have to resort to communism or socialism to make up for the fact they need Viagra to get it up, another American invention.

I love how America is seen as this pretty glass castle, and the rest of the serfs plowing the fields for a fair wage all start tossing rocks because they or their culture or their family failed to give the intellectual tools to succeed. Yeah, that's our fault.

I don't think an Islamic person will ever set foot off this planet, because anything not of the planet or Mecca or any aliens are probably UNCLEAN, UNHOLY and vile, and they MUST BEND to ALLAHS will. I cant believe people still believe in this superstitious bullshit.

Hey lefty, youll get extra credit for your shit clas at Berkelely - its called the SUNDANESE CULTURAL CLASS, 101, learn to carve a girls clitoris off! 4 CREDITS!
Islam is Death, Death to Islam

Re:Much more importantly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399968)

Well, you certainly seem like a health young man.

Re:Much more importantly (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399976)

Thank god im white and not trash like you.

Re:Much more importantly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400037)

White is a sign of decay.

Feel the chia flow through your veins into your magnificiant heart, now release the bean gas. Cup it in your hands, breathe in. Relax.

Re:Much more importantly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400053)

Bread gets moldy, turns to black.

Lots of things turn dark, moldy and brown with age.

Your kitchen floor was white at some point but you slovenly self had created a swampy quagmire of festering shit.

Black or darkness is an archetype for ignorance in literature, because in the very early days, darkness of the night was a preclusion of the world that was known.

White light is the presence of all the colors in the spectrum, black is the absence of all color.

Your tird-world ape nations have a lot to learn from the crackers. Us whiteys. Us honkies. Us stupid and intellectually inferior (being very facetious here) crackers.

We can cure you. We can. We can dilute your Arab stupidity, we can breed out your nigger sickle cells, we can wane your Asiatic elitism, we can eliminate your Pakistani desire to sell carpets and stink like body odor. We can probably not ever fix the lazy spics and mulattos of the south Americas, but maybe. We have to fuck your women. Let us come in droves and cure you of the animal genes that are mixed in there. Given that you apparently have a cerebral cortex, the animal nigger genes must be recessive.

We can help. Help me help you. Find your wife, and let me knock her up.

On the nostalgia tip (3, Interesting)

twilight30 (84644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399925)

Well, I hadn't started my experimenting with X 'til five years ago, but I distinctly remember buying a crappy PC at the time with low-end onboard video and having to wait six weeks for the X guys to write drivers for it. Man, that was painful! (What did I know, eh?)

Also lacking a proper connection at home, later on I stole literally hundreds of floppies from work to get X, Gnome and Enlightenment onto it. God, I loved that eyecandy. Anyway.

Re:Much more importantly (2, Interesting)

Ankh (19084) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399933)

These days I tend to use Mandrake Linux, which usually sets up X and the monitor and mouse automatically.

I first used X (not XFree86) in 1988 or so, on a 386 with a horribly expensive video card. But it worked.

I still have some binaries from 1990 or so (SPARC, SunOS 4) that still run and talk to the X server. For that matter I still have some NeWS programs (like display PostScript) that don't run because NeWS died.

So, it's cool that we're finally getting antialiasing, downloadable outline fonts, and maybe even user-defined server-side graphics paths. Welcome to 1990. Ten years old, but with a lot of catching up to do.

In other areas, like Keith Packard's new XML-based configuration format, XFree86 is setting trends for the rest of Unix/Linux to follow. And where it's behind, it's being worked on.

It'll be interesting to see if X has enough momentum (I think it does) that Berin [berlin-consortium.org] will die too, a footnote because not mainstream enough. just like NeWS.

NeWS was trivial to install, no config file at all. Installation matters, but applications matter more.

Re:Much more importantly (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400039)

It'll be interesting to see if X has enough momentum (I think it does) that Berin [berlin-consortium.org] will die too, a footnote because not mainstream enough. just like NeWS.
I've been thinking more about Berlin and it's not really necessary. Software evolution tends to work better, and Berlin is unnecessary right now. KDE and Gnome will become resolution independant if given enough time, and because they'll step there slowly like evolution they'll bring many more developers with them than if it were a revolution. I mean when you've got all letters in vectors, and all icons in SVG, then you've got very little left that needs to be resolution dependant. Bitmap images can be scaled - they are already in Opera. The placement onscreen is currently pixel based but there's no real need for that and given time that could be changed. I used to hope for Berlin but it's just too slow moving, and there are other ways there. KDE and Gnome will get there first.

Re:Much more importantly (1)

fktup (528896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399937)

Oh do I! Sometimes when I help someone new get 3D working under Linux I reflect on those days. When I bought my first computer I returned my windows CD and they gave me a 150$ rebate. Spent 2 weeks editing that stupid file *sigh* Say did you blow up any monitors back in the 90's? hmm shouldnt rant incoherantly on slashdot after a coding binge. -- note to self

Re:Much more importantly (1)

BiggyP (466507) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399950)

we call that the Debian Potato method :P
but hell, it's more fun than having X set up automagically during installation, mandrake's just plain cheating.

http://www.vmlinuz.freeserve.co.uk/

Re:Much more importantly (4, Interesting)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399960)

Yes! Those were the days.

My first Linux box monitor (a 14" Emerson) blew its top after only a few weeks use (I had been running the monitor at 65Hz when it only supported 60Hz), so I got ahold of a 19" fixed-frequency Tektronix sync-on-green monitor and built a sync-converter circuit with a little resistor coming out the top pot to help align the signal. I still have the schematic filed away somewhere...

Then I spent the afternoon trying to see what I could get out of the monitor, finally settling on 1088x702 or something like that at about 58Hz (ugh, flicker!) with of course no hardware text mode or CTRL-ALT-PLUSMINUS magic, just that one mode. When I booted the machine, I saw nothing at all until the magic 'X' cursor in the middle of the stipple pattern would appear. Beautiful. I probably still have the XF86Config file on a DC6150 tape somewhere. ;)

Damn fun. These days it's all about water cooling and big CPU fans and neon lights in case holes, but it's somehow less entertaining...

interesting (0, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399966)

Last time I tried Linux (Slackware, sometime around 1996) I gave up trying to get X work, because it wanted all sorts of arcane details about my video card and monitor and kept warning me that it could permanently damage my hardware if I guessed wrong. So I went back to Windows, which auto-detected the information correctly.

But if XFree can auto-detect now, perhaps I should give it another try...

Re:interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400034)

It can still damage your hardware, but now it does it automatically. Maybe you should stick with Windows. But if Bill Gates was telling the truth about Microsoft being destroyed by the antitrust case, then you might be left with nothing. NOTHING. NOTHING

Re:Much more importantly (2)

xtremex (130532) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399973)

Yes...I remember..it was around 93-94 or so. It was FUN doing that stuff. It's still fun.

Re:Much more importantly (3, Interesting)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399993)

I remember when you had to set up the xconfig by hand.

One thing I think is funny is setting up XFree86 on sparcstation - aside from the fact that it should have been called xfreesparc - none of the configuration scripts that came with it were suited to sparc - so I'm answering questions about vga, resolutions, colour depths and monitor info when I'm using an sbus, 8 bit, fixed frequency monitor :( - worked anyhow ;)

FIRST POST (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399896)

GOT IT MUDDA FAWKAZ

Meh (-1)

Rock 'N' Troll (566273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399899)

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Sure, but... (2, Funny)

NetRanger (5584) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399905)

...it still doesn't have Albert Einstein helping you search for files on your computer. You call this advancement!?!

Re:Sure, but... (2)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399990)

Could Windows XP be considered to be way ahead with a puppy helping you search? ;)

Re:Sure, but... (1)

AVryhof (142320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400019)

hehehe, that Puppy comes from MS BOB [toastytech.com] so I guess it wasn't a total flop....just had to wait and resurface when more dumb people were using computers.

Re:Sure, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400012)

...it still doesn't have Albert Einstein helping you search for files on your computer. You call this advancement!?!

Huh? Why should it? That's the job of GNOME, KDE, and other similar environments. XFree86 is the backbone of these, but it's kind of like saying that your engine should be responsible for turning your wheels, or having a machine that paints the Mona Lisa as part of a basic art kit. I would be scared if a graphical file searching assistant suddenly became an Xlib primitive.

suggested X changes (2, Insightful)

Partisan01 (547933) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399906)

Congrats to X on it's birthday. I've noticed in the past on /. that everyone has opinions on what should be changed in X. I havn't had any problems with it and I'm quite pleased with it's performance. But i'm wondering what do you guys thing should be changed/added/taken out etc?

Re:suggested X changes (3, Interesting)

Chainsaw (2302) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399947)

A standard widget and graphical component library. I don't care if you use GTK+, Qt, Motif or some other more or less perverted set of functions, they should all result in using the same components with the same look and feel. Let's say you create a menu in GTK+ with the ordinary commands. These instructions should be converted to draw the standard toolbar, using the user preference (menubar on top, in window, detachable...).

I don't see any disadvantage by doing this. You still get to program in the language you prefer with the library commands you prefer, but they all draw the same widgets. While you are at it, design a new clipboard system that works - base it on the existing code from the Gnome and KDE people if you want to.

Is there a reason not to do this? Is it technically impossible? If so, please explain why. I'm a programmer, but I'm not very experienced in X development.

Re:suggested X changes (2, Informative)

finite_automaton (302001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399975)

A standard widget and graphical component library. I don't care if you use GTK+, Qt, Motif or some other more or less perverted set of functions, they should all result in using the same components with the same look and feel

The problem with this is that X is intended as a much lower level toolkit. X is what you you when you want to create a widget set such as Qt or GTK or Motif of Athena. As far as X is concended (and rightly so), widgets are "someone elses job"

Re:suggested X changes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400018)

The functionality you are suggesting does not belong to X. It belongs to the toolkit, which is an abstract thing. Instances of toolits are GTK, QT, Lesstif etc. what you are suggesting (or meaning to suggest) is probably that all these toolkits should have different API's but draw the same thing onscreen. Now why exactly is that good?

Re:suggested X changes (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400043)

X standardised Xt, a standard for toolkit interoperability at the component level (it is possible to embedd an Xaw component in a Motif application, for example).

Unfortunately, neither Gtk nor Qt honour Xt, nor X's excellent "resource database" generalised configuration and theming (yes, theming!) system.

Gtk because it was written by a bunch of people initially without the faintest clue how X actually works, and Qt because Qt is like "Swing for C++" - it's intended to be cross-platform, and thus handles most drawing "itself", merely requiring prettu much a dumb framebuffer underneath.

Thus, the two most popular toolkits on Linux are abysmal from an X standpoint.

Re:suggested X changes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400006)

It's not X, it's Xfree86, a specific X server. Linux idiots. . . read three issues of PC Week and now they're congradulating software standards that are older than they are

Re:suggested X changes (1)

AVryhof (142320) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400031)

A clipboard supplied by X itself so the Window manager doesn't need to supply one.

Re:suggested X changes (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400048)

Er... the window manager doesn't supply a clipboard. The X selection mechanism does - it's major problem is that, for reasons of statelessness for easy network-transparent operation, the "cut"/"copied" clipboard only lasts as long as the source - i.e. there's no independent "buffer" for the clipboard - it was always the X designer's intent that a clipboard daemon be used (just like the one that is deeply buried on windows, BTW), but people didn't progress it beyond the proof-of-concept xclipboard, which only handles text/* mimetypes..

"X"Free86 (4, Funny)

popeyethesailor (325796) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399908)

Now the X has another meaning :)

Re:"X"Free86 (1)

mosschops (413617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399978)

I've always thought the 'X' meant 'Close'. Oh wait, wrong window system...

Re:"X"Free86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400021)

I've always thought the 'X' meant 'Close'. Oh wait, wrong window system...

Arrgh.. no, no, no! X is NOT responsible for providing window decorations. That is the job of WINDOW MANAGERS. There is NOTHING in the X protocol that provides titlebars with a close box with an 'x' on it. It's MUCH more primitive like that, and on purpose. It is made to be the foundation on which all of that is built, not to provide that functionality itself. This allows for many many more possibilities of what you can do with X, versus if X provided built in widgets and window management.

XFree86 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399911)

It really is a testament to....OHH, PUPPIES!

Seems a bit... odd (2, Insightful)

AaronStJ (182845) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399920)

Ten years and still binary compatible. Very cool.
I hate to be a boor, but isn't this the sort of thing Windows get's criticized for all the time, having "broken" backwards compatibility? It seems like if Microsoft is going to get flamed for retaining (somewhat kludgy, perhaps) backwards compatibility, the same standards should be applied to X windows...

Re:Seems a bit... odd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399928)

that is why both are also bloated...

Re:Seems a bit... odd (2, Insightful)

JLTech (571307) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399952)

The problem is the "somewhat kludgy" part. The idea here is that X has efficiently managed to maintain full backwards compatibility efficiently. Windows, however, has many issues with their backwards compatibility. I feel that complaining about actually letting you use your old software is foolish. Complaining about not being able to use it WELL...now that's something I would listen to.

Re:Seems a bit... odd (3, Funny)

spectecjr (31235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399961)

The idea here is that X has efficiently managed to maintain full backwards compatibility efficiently.

... by not really adding anything new in the last 10 years.

;-)

Si

Re:Seems a bit... odd (3, Interesting)

psavo (162634) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400038)

The idea here is that X has efficiently managed to maintain full backwards compatibility efficiently.

... by not really adding anything new in the last 10 years.

;-)


I see your smiley =)

xinerama, render, shared memory, xv, truetype. To name just a few.

Re:Seems a bit... odd (5, Insightful)

Baki (72515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399998)

It is not really binary compatible, but protocol compatible. X11 is a (network) PROTOCOL that describes how to send drawing instructions from client to server and how the server should send events (mouse, key) back to the client.

And exactly that is the genius of X (in contrast with most other windowing systems that are based on API's). Therefore, it is easy to get network transparency, and backwards compatability does not confront you with the headaches that API binary compatability causes.

Maintaining compatability is just as simple (OK a bit less since it is a complex protocol, but the extention mechanism was very clever) as backwards compatability for ftp,nntp,dns etc.

Whooooo!! (1)

XfleckX (575838) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399923)

haha for a second I was gonna say "hey way wasn't X started in the mid or late 80s?!" but then i realized we're just talkin about X*FREE*86 here not X11 itself. woops. but why did i share my idiocy anyway??? whatadork.

color depth (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399924)

It should be possible to change colordepth in runtime!

Re:color depth (0)

Hyperfrog (575345) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400075)

Err CNTL-ALT-+ ? Have you set your resolutions up in your config?

binary compatibility (0, Insightful)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399926)

MS windows retains compatibility with 20 year old DOS programs and they are considered behind the times, but XFree86 retains compatibility for 10 years and it is "impressive"?

Re:binary compatibility (1)

Komarosu (538875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399970)

but Windows is not 100% compatible with old DOS apps. tbh i think you will struggle to run anything created before DOS 5.0 and anything that uses special graphical extensions.

On the other side, ive not seen a old X app that wont run on the newest server version.

Please prove me wrong if u want :)

Sitck that DOS up in your ass!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399979)

Are you really that dumb, you FUCKNUT??? DOS is KINDERGARDEN stuff compared to XFree86 you FUCKING RETARD!

Re:Sitck that DOS up in your ass!! (1)

Komarosu (538875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399985)

ahhh the maturity of it all. |m r33t Ur n0t...phht

Links honoring the anniversary (0)

ObitMan (550793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399932)

Here are some links [petersharpe.com] honoring the event!

in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (0, Offtopic)

smallblackdog (266198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399934)

You were talking about not going back to windows. How I wish that I could say the same thing. I've only been using linux for like, 1 year now, since I was 14. XFree86 is cool I use it a bit when trying to find my bearings. But I've been thinking recently why people don't want to move to linux. I've got this bloody Alcatel Speedtouch USB modem and for the life of me I can't get it working. My friend has the same problem. I got it set up once, then activated connection sharing then the modem went down.
Its bcause there isn't enough well-explained newbie help and people feel like they're in the dark. This may sound trivial to the weekly kernel recompilers out there. All the howto's are great, if you allready have some knowledge of what the hell you are supposed to do. So, coming from windows 2000, where everything is done for you (it even wipes your ass with the next service pack release I hear) its pretty hard to just get stuff working.

Shit, that didn't come out as it was laid out in my head but nevermind. This is probably gonna be offtopic too but I feel I needed to say something about it. Infact, just ignore this post. Why are you still reading?

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (0)

ObitMan (550793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399951)

If you ever get laid you won't care too much about such nonsense...
Now go back to your room young man.

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (1)

smallblackdog (266198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399994)

I do get laid, thanks. But still I worry about that. And don't give me any of that young man crap. Heh.

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399992)

Actually, Mandrake 8.1 comes with support on install for the Speedtouch USB modem. It worked first time for me.

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400003)

sure, but the great thing about linux is the community. Many UK ADSL users have the speedtouch working. ADSLGUIDE has the biggest forums, visit them and search, you will find detailed step by step guides for all distros posted by users:

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist.pl?Cat=&Boa rd =linux

I have it working on debian :)

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400020)

and theres also #speedtouch on irc.openprojects.net :)

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (1)

smallblackdog (266198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400057)

Cough, ok. Maybe there is help for newbie problems. Thanks for all the links, irc channels and stuff. I'm using mandrake 8.2 and on install, it partially install it. Like, it can see the modem but when I try to dial out it says the connection failed and from there I'm lost. I'm gonna go check around. Thanks again.

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400013)

Getting the alcatel Speedtouch USB up and running is really easy, just don't use the drivers that are comming from alcatel (ther are crap) or the linux modules. Use http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/

Good luck

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (1)

larien (5608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400023)

I can attest to how good the "benoit" drivers are; I use them on my linux firewall/webmail server and it ran solidly for almost 3 days while I was in London and I used it to access my e-mail from cybercafes there.

However, even that recommends some kernel patching (HDLC stuff) which may scare beginning users. It also took me a little trouble to get working, although that's more down to my mistyping some stuff and not noticing :)

Re:in relation to rcs 1000's post.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400055)

Well, USB modems in general are dodgy, since they tend to be "winmodems" - i.e. Microsoft encourages the manufacturer to offload lots of the work normally done by the modenm chipset onto the CPU.

This has two main effects - if you're a geek who actually _uses_ his CPU, winmodems wastefully eat your CPU time, and manufacturers tend only to produce drivers for windows - the linux drivers tend to be volunteer reverse-engineered efforts.

X kicks ass, XFree86 doubly so. (4, Interesting)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399935)

For the inevitable "X sucks, I hate X, let's replace X, screw X" crowd: Suck eggs.

X works, works now, and has worked for over a decade. I can still run some very old, but very useful software, and I can do it in a network-transparent fashion. X is fast, elegant (not the code necessarily, the functionality), does 2D, 3D and applications wonderfully, and is free and fully multiplatform, across all *nixes, Linux, MacOS and Windows.

Come back when you have something that works for real work that isn't just a theory, and if it's better than X without losing any of the benefits or extensibility, I'm suree the *nix community will thank you for it. Until then, X and XFree86 (the gold standard) are here to stay, and that's a good thing.

You're right... (1)

brooks_talley (86840) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399962)

X is the best thing around that meets the exact specifications that X does.

Heck of a job, that.

-b

Re:X kicks ass, XFree86 doubly so. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400056)

Come back when you have something that works for real work that isn't just a theory, and if it's better than X without losing any of the benefits or extensibility
Well I would say BeOS [beincorporated.com] and Directfb [directfb.org] Fits most of that, but still people like "10 years of binary compatibility" better the a gui that feel 10 times as fast ;-)

Time for twm to die? (1)

ramoth4 (575593) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399938)

TWMis old. Nobody really uses it. Sure, GNOME and all the other WMs sit on top of it, but it seems to just slow X down for me (I'm running it under XDarwin on my G3). Why not just make it a bunch of Libs instead? Or am I misrepresenting this? Just my 2

Re:Time for twm to die? (1)

shippo (166521) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400011)

At least you've got TWM working under XDarwin. For me it segfaulted every time I tried it on my iBook.

Re:Time for twm to die? (2)

joto (134244) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400022)

I really hope you are joking and pretending to be misunderstanding things. I can't for the life of me understand how you can achieve this catastrophical level of confusion, and still think you can understand it enough to comment on it on slashdot. Oh wait, this is slashdot, well, I guess it's quite normal then...

Re:Time for twm to die? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400033)

Amen, brother.

Re:Time for *BSD to DIE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400049)

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [sysadminmag.com] [sysadminmag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dying

10 years of binary compatibility (1)

PSC (107496) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399943)

Ha! Now that's an aim for the G++ guys to shoot at... :-)

(Yes, yes I know the GNU C++ compiler isn't ten years old yet, but that's the least of hindrance :-)

BACKwards compatible.. (1)

sudog (101964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399949)

I doubt if it's binary compatible..

Re:BACKwards compatible.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400000)

Look at the protocol. It transmits binary data. And a program running on a Linux/Intel box can be displayed on a Solaris/SPARC box, and vice versa. It kinda renders moot the whole question of application linkage. The way the server and client are linked (on the network layer) really blurs the distinction between them, even more so than a DB engine and its client.

Lets party (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399957)

I mean we really should celebrate ten years of a system that by design is a bad solution for todays desktop, but which everone sticks by "for backward compatibility", f*#% backward compatibility and go with somthing that does what BeOS does (I had to change did to does there :-( ) "responsive gui first, then let the application do their jobs". Directfb [directfb.org] is an atempt in the right direction. For a modern (alpha blending, antialiased) desktop you need to be the most efficient comunication between the hardware acceleration of the graphics chip and the application that uses it and the x-protocol just is not that.

Don`t get me wrong, having remote x terminals is a realy boutifull thing, but *not* at the cost of a single machine desktop speed, I am back getting the leaked BeOS dano to work to celebrate this birthday ;-)

Re:Lets party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400002)

Leaked BeOS?

Information!

Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399958)

I don't think X binaries from my Sun 3 work too well on my Alpha or PA-RISC or Intel machine or whatever the fudge those crazy guys at MIT wrote W on...

BACKWARDS != BINARY

shut your mouth ya damn jibba jabba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3399964)

Happy birthday Xfr
Segmentation fault. (core dumped)

X rules the waves! (3, Informative)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399984)

X rules:
- it's flexible, allowing a multitude of different window managers to front-end for it
- it's network portable, allowing me to run X-sessions off another box completely over a ssh-connection
- it's cross-platform, running on almost any architecture and operating system (with the obvious exceptions of course)
- it allows me to run a screensaver in root-window as background, dazzeling all those MSWindows folks =)
- it's free!

In my opinion, there are very little GUI's able to beat that, not OSX for all it's beauty but lack of flexibility and not MSWindows for it's compatibility but ugliness.

Nothing compared to mother nature (2, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399988)

Men and women have lived in millions of years and we're still compatible. Ain't that cool? Mother nature must have been a heck of a designer.

Re:Nothing compared to mother nature (2, Funny)

Galvatron (115029) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399996)

How do you know? Have you gone back to 1 million BC and tried impregnating a cavewoman? No? Then you don't really know if we're backwards compatible or not. Besides, there's been far less design improvement in that amount of time for humans than there has been for XFree86

Mother Nature still has problems, tho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400010)

Even if men and woman are genetically compatible with humans of 5,000 or 500,000 years ago, are the men and women compatible with each other? 99% of human history is all about how we aren't that compatible after all.

History Please (2)

shomon2 (71232) | more than 12 years ago | (#3399995)

Can anyone give a quick rundown of the most notable points in X's 10 year history? Or is there a URL that does that?

Thanks

Ale

Re:History Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400016)

Year# Accomplishment
1 Sucked
2 Sucked
3 Sucked
4 Sucked
5 Sucked
6 Sucked
7 Sucked
8 Sucked
9 Sucked
10 Sucked

Why has Citrix surpassed X?

Why has X only been a server with no attempt to make it a coherent and useable UI?

Why has X been horribly unsupported by Video Card manufacturers?

Why does Apple whip up a better rendition of a complete GUI an order of magnitude faster than these MIT peeps?

Why does everything in *nix's, particularly Open ones, that has to do with usability get fucking canned before it gains traction?

I found it amusing that Sun's most useable GUI comes off the Sun Freeware disc and its still a piece of shit.

Wake up! Lets start to get behind people who can lead *nix, BSD, Linux, to the promised land and get out of this festering quagmire of mediocrity and shitty implementations of half assed nostalgia.

I cant believe nothing has been done by the Unix vendors, sitting idly by, letting *nix become in increasingly less useable compared to other stuff on the shelves.

I personally think XFree, Gnome, KDE, Window Managers in general have a *long* fuckin way to go before grandma can use and we can finally fuck Billy Boy Gates in the goat ass.

Mac... (1, Interesting)

david_nelson (8827) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400029)

Mac OS, 20+ years and still binary compatible. ;-)

(If this is not entirely accurate, I apologize...not trying to troll.)

Xfree86 is great -- I'm using (occasionally) it on Mac OS X.

APPLE IS FOR HOMOSEXUALS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400042)

Homosexuals fancy Apple's design stuff shit, so keep on wanking you fucking dickwad!!

And... (-1, Troll)

davidsmind (524428) | more than 12 years ago | (#3400035)

It is about as mature as a ten year old boy. It still has a hissy fit or two, sometimes It picks its nose or craps in its pants. It is will soon phase out these childish tendencies and will then enter puberty, god help us all.

XFree86 is great ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400041)

But I don't understand why are there *BSD ports ? The reason I'm asking is: *BSD is dying

Yet nother crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [sysadminmag.com] [sysadminmag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick nd its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For ll practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BS is dying

Re:XFree86 is great ! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400060)

Jesus man, you dont have to be fucking Kreskin [amdest.com] to figure this out.

*BSD is DYING (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400047)

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [sysadminmag.com] [sysadminmag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dying

taco's neigbor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3400066)

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