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Shuttle's SS50 reviewed

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the looking-at-it-under-the-hood dept.

Hardware 140

EconolineCrush writes "What's 200x181x280mm, decked out in brushed aluminum, and supports a Pentium 4 processor with DDR SDRAM? Shuttle's SS50 bare bones system The Tech Report has a review up of the latest aluminum cube from Shuttle, and it's an impressive little beast. Small form factor PCs are becoming more popular, and this is the first platform I've seen with Pentium 4 support, DDR, and decent on board video via SiS' 650 chipset."

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Blackout Week!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414402)

Well, T(TF)SBW - the Totally Failed Slashdot Blackout may be over...

But I hereby declare EVERY week to be * Troll Week! *

Yeeeeee - haw!!!!

Things To Do Today (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414493)

1. Vomit copiously

2. Buy new shoes, make mental note to run faster for bathroom next time.

More Things to Do Today (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414534)

1)Call ex-girlfriend and make cat noises 2)Hang up quick.

That was you?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414541)

You little prick! You scared me to death! I thought Mittens was lost and trying to reach me!

-Your Ex

Re:Blackout Week!! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414590)

I just heard sad news on talk radio - Singer/songwriter Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes was found dead in her Honduras rent-a-car this morning. I'm sure we'll all miss her - even if you didn't listen to her music you've probably enjoyed one of her acts of arson. Truly an American icon.

If this computer... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414407)

was created by Dell, IBM, HP, Compaq, etc.. it would be laughed off of slashdot.
The form factor is nice, but it is heavily lacking in aesthetics.

Re:If this computer... (1)

saveth (416302) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414453)

The aesthetics are perfect. Small rectangular prisms are modular, stackable, and possible to store in odd places. An engineer's aesthetic dream come true!

Re:If this computer... (1)

maunleon (172815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414488)

Oooh..

A mystery is solved. Now I know who Saab makes cars for! :)

Come on. The thing looks like the back end of an oscilloscope.

Re:If this computer... (1)

TheAlmightyQ (306969) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415007)

Stackable eh?
Perfect for a Beowu...oh nevermind.

Page Jumping Post!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415014)

click here to jump!!11! [slashdot.org]

Probably BUT ... (2, Informative)

Tensor (102132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414484)

the price would've been much, much steeper if any of those 4 would've built this.

This is reatailing at $350 bareboned

pretty cheap

Re:Probably BUT ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414503)

Barebones in this case means no processor- I don't think HP, Dell, IBM, Compaq, etc sell computers without CPU's.

Re:Probably BUT ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414539)

An equivalent slimline from Compaq is $630 on their site, probably cheaper through other channels (the Evo D500). According to sales (we were looking to ordering 10 units for a customer), they are coming out with the P4 model.

Now, substracting the price of the memory and CPU, there isn't much of a price difference.
And besides, you usually get better prices when you buy the CPU/Memory with the PC compared to buying them separately.. so why would I want to buy a barebone?

No, the Problem with Compaq... (3, Interesting)

Chasing Amy (450778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414887)

No, the problem most geeks have with Compaq/HP/etc. machines isn't just price-based, it's standards based. If you build a machine yourself or buy this barebones Shuttle system or something similar, you're getting a more standard, interchangeable design, often with more expandability.

See, most 1st-tier mass-market PC companies have their motherboards manufactured according to proprietary designs by companies no one's ever heard of. They seldom live up to ATX or MicroATX or any similar spec, instead using strange form factors that often necessitate weird 2-piece motherboards with segments connected by ribbon cables. This was the case with 2 PCs I opened up recently, a fairly recent Compaq and an IBM. The PCI slots were on a PCB placed at a 90-degree angle to the main PCB.

So, good luck ever moving it to a different case. Not that you'd want to, because while motherboards designed by retail by reputable manufacturers are designed for a large measure of expandability, motherboards designed for big OEMs aren't. I bought my motherboard nearing 2 years ago with a 600MHz Duron and can upgrade to any socketed Athlon or Duron with a 200MHz FSB; if I'd bought a Compaq, odds are it would have used the obsolete slot design, and even if it used the socketed processors it almost certainly wouldn't have the multipliers and support logic for the higher clock speeds.

See, Compaq and the other tier-1 PC OEMs don't have a vested interest in letting consumers upgrade their existing PCs. They want to sell new ones. This is in contrast to the retail motherboard market, where there's competition and smaller OEMs and DIYers are the target market. So, whereas a Compaq is likely to have a limited multiplier range, few BIOS updates, and still be using hardware jumper settings, a retail mobo will be likely to have a complete multiplier range, frequent BIOS updates to support newer features and processors, and have more settings accessible in the BIOS rather than in hardware jumpers.

In addition, a Compaq or similar will likely have integrated peripherals geared toward being as cheap as possible, which usually means fewer features and more CPU and RAM dependence. Which reminds me--memory upgrades on Compaqs can be a nightmare. On most retail mobos you'll get 3 RAM slots--at least 2, but usually 3 and on rare occasion on better-designed full ATX boards, 4. On Compaqs and the like, they can make it really weird; for example, a Compaq I recently upgraded had its manual state that the first RAM slot could accept up to a 128 MB dimm, and the second could accept up to a 64MB dimm. Huh? What? Why? A *real* motherboard manufactured for retail by one of the better Taiwan manufacturers would, at the time, have had at least 2 dimm slots, capable of accepting up to 512 MB dimms each. Not that weird bullshit about one 128 MB dimm and one 64 MB dimm. I still don't understand that one...

Anyway, it's about more than just price. It's about quality, it's about adherence to standards.

Re:No, the Problem with Compaq... (3, Informative)

JLester (9518) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415061)

Have you ever looked at Compaq's business systems (Deskpros)? Really awesome design with completely tool-less chassis, mini-tower/desktop swappable case (slide out the drives, slide them back in sideways, flip the case over 90 degrees .. all with no tools). They also use standard components and memory. If we have a hardware problem, the replacement is there by 10:00 am the next day. We support several hundred of these at work.

There's a reason companies don't build their own PCs or buy from Joe-Bob's Computer Warehouse.

Re:No, the Problem with Compaq... (1)

Quill_28 (553921) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415424)

And there's the point. OEM style computers make sense for companies/schools/etc with a large number of computers to support.

But IMHO do not make sense for most end-users who have one or few computers.

Bareboned, eh? (2)

Chasing Amy (450778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414899)

Hmmm. "Bareboned" sounds like a good title for a pr0n film that takes place in a computer store...

"Oh yes! Gimme access to that CPU slot!"

"No mister, your multiplier's too big!"

"Don't worry, baby, I'll tweak your jumper settings before I slide it in..."

"Don't forget to put on your heatsink! And use a little arctic silver to...make it go in smoother..."

Bareboned. I like that new word. :-)

Stop it! You're giving me a woody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414986)

Pervert! :)

S550 (0, Redundant)

Abnormal Coward (575651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414413)

I am sure there has been a mention of the shuttle S550 before on /.

Theres a athlon version of the shuttle as well.

Re:S550 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414502)

Yahoo has a story [yahoo.com] that takes a totally different view on this motherboard, from what I heard, the board is reported to be giving segfaults on installs, this is a pretty interesting insight.

WARNING!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414518)

That's a goatse.cx troll! DO NOT CLICK!!!

Re:WARNING!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414525)

Yeah right.

Re:S550 (1)

JohannRamirez (540533) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414558)

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/20/201325 7&mode=thread Nice to see that /. has started doing reposts.

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LOOOOOOOOOOL!!1! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414438)

.ooOOOoo.!


g-g-g-g-g-gaaaaaaaaaaaaay!


LoL0LolO0L!

small is great and all... (1)

packeteer (566398) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414422)

... but what i want to see is low power consumption... i know that people will just talk about a laptop but thats kinda what im thinking.. just a laptop without the moniter... maybe you could put on in your car or someting...

zimm zimm zimm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414425)

hauhauahauhauahauhauhahuuaha!

g-g-g-g-g-gaaaaaaaa aay!

Upcoming SS40 (AMD based) (5, Interesting)

Gandalf_007 (116109) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414430)

Shuttle also has plans for a SS40 model [shuttleonline.com] , which is very similar to the SS50, except for supporting AMD processors instead of the Pentium 4. It also uses the SiS chipset (745), which is very similar to the 645 Pentium-4 chipset (same GF2MX-level integrated graphics), and is even better than the surprising 735 chipset.

Re:Upcoming SS40 (AMD based) (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414451)

AMD based? It really will be a toaster...

Re:Upcoming SS40 (AMD based) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414486)

What's the difference between the 745 and 735 other than the 745 supporting the new 333MHz DDR RAM? I was looking at two ECS boards that had these chipsets and wound up choosing the 735 due to the onboard NIC, audio, and choice for SDRAM OR DDR. The 745 board didn't offer anything except the 333MHz DDR which didn't do so well in the benchmarks.

cute (0)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414431)

This thing is nice and small, but here are some things to consider:

- It's less expandable than a normal board.
- It costs more than a normal board + case.
- Since the case is so small, the internal temperature is much higher, which may create heat problems.

Yeah, it's cute, but who really cares?? It's not like you are going to carry it with you wherever you go. If you have an office so tiny that you don't eat breakfast so you can fit in the door then buy one of these. Otherwise it's just a useless novelty IMO.

Note to moderators: please mod me up, I'm trying to get back to positive karma. I think this post deserves to be at +1, don't you??

Re:cute (1)

maunleon (172815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414450)

I disagree. SFF has its place.. for example, if you have a minimalistic layout for your office (think IKea), the last thing you want is a blocky tower or desktop. A small form factor coupled with a LCD panel looks a lot better.

That said, THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS UGLY! I would end up putting it under my desk and use it as a foot rest. It looks somewhat like my UPS. Their market research people (if they have any) should be shot.

Re:cute (0)

cybermint (255744) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414476)

That shit would make a pimping server in my tiny server room/closet.

Small form factors... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414432)

I'd rather wait for the P4 version of this:

http://www.compaq.com/products/desktops/d500usd/ su bfamily.html

Looks a lot nicer. Video card is not as important to me, since I would not by a small form factor as a game machine (not enough expansion)

Not very useful for home theatre (1)

SHiFTY1000 (522432) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414434)

The main problem here would be heat buildup: from the article it says a noisy fan is required just for normal operation; with a DVD drive it would just be worse due to poor case ventilation. Not to mention the extra heat from a TV-out capable video card. When I'm watching a DVD I want absolute silence in the quiet scenes...

Re:Not very useful for home theatre (1)

Abnormal Coward (575651) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414467)

you be mad to use this as a DVD replacement, DVD players are much cheaper!

it would be more usefull for something like a DivX player (think 6 channel out ;-) and as a MP3/ogg jukebox ...

to reduce the noise you can also down clock one the cpu, I've seen some stuff on the web where someone has removed the fan from the PSU (apprently one of the noisest fans), and mounted heat sinks on the bits of PSU that get hot ...

So you could make it 'very quiet' but not slient.

Re:Not very useful for home theatre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415094)

On my second SV24 due to the fan dieing within a month and cooking the PSU, beware the small PSU fan.

No bearings + 5000 RPMs = death soon

Well... (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414441)

The most important question of all is if the motherboard is anti-semitic in nature. Spending money on zionist products is equivalent to supporting millenia of greed and corruption.

A New Stove (1)

saveth (416302) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414442)

What a cute little box. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if I could cook bacon and eggs on it, though. Does it come with a miniature frying pan, too?

What's completely useless for home users? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414444)

This new machine.

I've outgrown the need to check my email every 5 minutes while away from work. Why haven't you?

(My point is not helped by me posting to /., however... )

Hidden Computers. (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414457)

I know a lot of people would like it if you could just say, store your comp inside of your desk drawer and forget about it. Couple that with a flatscreen monitor, wireless keyboard and mouse, and you have a pretty elite setup. Bonus points if you could mount your CD-ROM and floppy drives on top of your desk, so that they were the only part of the computer you could really see.

Re:Hidden Computers. (1)

MiTEG (234467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414757)

Maybe this [akamai.net] is similar to what you are thinking of.

SV24 Here (4, Interesting)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414459)

I've got an SV24 (with a celeron 1000) that does an excellent job of sitting on a shelf in my closet (dorm room) serving files and running the occasional quake/half-life/etc game. Nice sexy little box, and GREAT for portability.

If it wasn't quite so loud (get a Centaur CPU, no fan! also, some people have modded the power supply fan) it would make a great little computer for acting as a portable DVD/VCD player.

One thing it could REALLY use is a handle on the top...would be perfect for carrying.

Scott

Re:SV24 Here (1)

hbackert (45117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414582)

Like this [impress.co.jp]
And yes, it looks like a handle and it's designed to be used as one. It's not only decoration. Harald

The great thing about these (1)

papasui (567265) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414460)

Is how useful a powerful, upgradable pc's actually are. Toss a decent video capture board in it, and some software and you got a TiVO. Toss a 802.11b wireless pci nic in and you got yourself a small little file server you can hide in your closet. Use it as a Lan Party computer. A car based mp3/gps system, etc. There is a ton of possibilites when you can shrink down the size of a normal computer into a small attractive case that you don't mind have sitting next to a tv or can stash away under something.

Page 1 of 8 (2, Informative)

CmdrTaco (editor) (564483) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414463)

Quickest slashdotting of tech-report i've seen so far. I was only able to load the first page, so here's the text:

Shuttle's SS50 mini-barebones system
Cube power
by Scott Wasson [mailto] -- April 25, 2002

SHUTTLE'S FIRST cube computer, the SV24 [tech-report.com] , arrived on the scene last fall, and it created a sensation. The SV24's compact form factor, wealth of built-in features, and potential expandability left our minds reeling over the possibilities. Sold as a "mini-barebones system," the SV24 could be outfitted with a processor, storage, and a single PCI card as its owner saw fit. We could build a home DVD player, or a purpose-built PC, a web-surfing terminal, or just a nice computer for grandma. Fully decked out with a 1GHz processor, the SV24 could become a fairly powerful little system.

Much as we liked the SV24, it wasn't without its faults. The form factor was, if anything, actually a little too small. The inevitable wave of SV24 copycats and competitors, like the Pandora S [tech-report.com] , offered more room for expansion and a much-improved vertical PCI slot configuration. And small as it was, the SV24 still sounded like a much bigger computer. The din of the SV24's exhaust fan was enough to lull an overworked tech writer to sleep at the keyboard.

The SV24's biggest drawback, however, was its outdated Socket 370 platform. See, truth be told, we like the cube-PC-as-second-computer thing, but some of us prefer the option of replacing our massive tower cases altogether. Maxed out, the SV24 could accommodate a 1.13GHz Pentium III processor with a 133MHz front-side bus and PC133 SDRAM. That's a recipe for a brand-new Apple or an outdated PC; we considered it a little pokey. An updated version of the FV24 motherboard added support for faster PIII "Tualatin" processors [tech-report.com] . Yawn.

We said when the SV24 arrived that Shuttle ought to "sell a bundle of these things." And perhaps they did, because Shuttle is already launching a pair of powerful successors to the SV24. These new cubes address most of our complaints about Shuttle's original cube systems. The system we're reviewing today will support Pentium 4 processors as fast as 2.4GHz, and an Athlon version is reportedly on the way. Depending on your needs, this cube might just--maybe, possibly--be able to replace your desktop system altogether. To that end, we've benchmarked this thing to see what happens. Can a cube fulfill a PC freak's desire for both high style and high performance? We'll find out.

The new cube
Shuttle's SS50 is significantly more advanced than the SV24 in a number of ways, but before we get into that, I'm sure you'll want to get a look at the SS50. As you can see below, the new cube is just a little bit larger than its predecessor.


The Shuttle SV24 is just a shade smaller than the SS50


The SV24 has only one horizontal PCI slot while the SS50 has two vertical ones

Obviously, Shuttle hasn't strayed from the original mini-barebones system concept. The SS50 is larger than the SV24, but you'd only notice the extra size when comparing the two systems side by side. The most obvious changes are the number and orientation of the PCI slots: the SS50 packs two vertical PCI slots that rise directly off the motherboard, eliminating the need for a PCI riser card. Shuttle has also equipped the SS50 with an additional IEEE 1394 (Firewire) port up front and a third mini-DIN audio port for six-channel surround sound.

No, I'm not kidding about the surround sound. It's for real. But I'm just getting started on the specs.

Taco violates Tech-Report's copyright, film at 11 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415091)

The editors claim that they can't mirror sites before they get slashdotted because of copyright issues, yet taco can post the full text of the page here? That's baloney. The bottom of the tech report states "All contents copyright © 1999-2002 by The Tech Report, LLC. All rights reserved." yet Taco has just copied the content to make money on his own site (if you think slashdot isn't around to make money then you're a bigger fool than I).

As usual, the editors treat the readers like mushrooms - keep us in the dark and feed us shit. Way to go, taco.

Re:Taco violates Tech-Report's copyright, film at (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415247)

You really are a moron, aren't you?

Re:Taco violates Tech-Report's copyright, film at (1)

Dr. Damage (123558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415508)

I have no problem with Taco posting the page's contents here. Nobody seriously thinks he was trying to steal our article. I just wish our server hadn't blown up!

For the record, our server usually handles a Slashdotting pretty well, but this dead-of-night episode caught us off guard. Things when kablooey when our log analyzer cron job kicked off and chewed up all the memory. Doh! And I thought it would be safe to run it in the wee hours of the morning...

Also... (4, Informative)

Binary Tree (73189) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414465)

More here [viahardware.com] .

I have one of the previous models (1)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414473)

I have an SV24 (the previous model, actually smaller and uses a P3 Coppermine CPU)

The thing is quite nice looking and incredibly well laid-out. Everything inside it is so tight you have to carefully fold your ribbon cables, but man does it look cool all stuffed in there. No overheating problems BTW, though it is a touch too noisy for an always-on media server. I used the extra PCI slot to throw in another NIC and now it is my very-capable home firewall/DNS/Web server running Gentoo Linux.

someday (1)

yawnmoth (534382) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414480)

someday slashdot.org will have to stop posting reviews of every new computer like this - i mean, as the article said, small form factor machines ARE becomming more popular!

Tips for the ultra-bright LEDs (1)

piranha(jpl) (229201) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414481)

To reduce the harshness of the LEDs, you could probably remove them from the case and use something like a green scouring pad (or the back of most kitchen sponges) to dull out the LED's surfaces and help diffuse the light.

If the plastic is too hard, or if that's not good enough, put a resistor in the LED circuits. (However, I don't know crap about electronics and could probably get something as trivial as that wrong, so if I am wrong, please correct me.)

Re:Tips for the ultra-bright LEDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414498)

But blue LEDs are so 1337!!!! Why would you want to do that???????

Re:Tips for the ultra-bright LEDs (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414530)

Here's the real solution for anyone who's dumb enough to buy this shit.

1)Cut through shielding on power supply wires.

2)Place tongue on wires

3)Plug in power supply.

That should fix your problem.

Re:Tips for the ultra-bright LEDs (2)

Peyna (14792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414924)

No kidding! Although the reflection the blue LED makes on my wall at night is pretty impressive sometimes =]

Aren't we going backwards here? (1)

icestormstudios (543439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414483)

The point of these boxes is to be small, and unobtrusive as possible, correct? (See Apple G4 Cube) P4 + DDR SDRAM? I guess all of us could use a few more degrees in our computer room saunas. The preceeding comment was brought to you by Captain Morgan. Yes, you and the Captain CAN make it happen!

Cube??? (5, Funny)

Jester998 (156179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414485)

"200x181x280mm" ... "the latest aluminum cube from Shuttle"

As the object is a cube,
200 = 181 = 280

Therefore,
200 = 181
19 = 0
and
280 = 181
99 = 0

Therefore,
99 = 19
80 = 0

Cool... I like these new cubes. Next lesson: Using the circumference of a Pepsi can to disprove the theory of relativity.

- Jester

Re:Cube??? (1)

driftingAimfully (516201) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414531)

They should call it cuboid. Neatly solving the maths (math?) as well as being a smart marketing move because it sounds a little like android, humanoid etc.

Re:Cube??? (-1, Offtopic)

goatkoran (576235) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414557)

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Re:Cube??? (1)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414646)

Next lesson: Using the circumference of a Pepsi can to disprove the theory of relativity.

You know, I'd kinda like to see that one!

Re:Cube??? (1)

tconnors (91126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414733)

<snip>
Therefore,
99 = 19
80 = 0

Cool... I like these new cubes. Next lesson: Using the circumference of a Pepsi can to disprove the theory of relativity.


Which one?

--
TimC

The path to enlightenment_0.16.5-6 is through apt-get

This thing wants to be a LAN box, but... (1)

DJ-Dodger (169589) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414487)

Come one Shuttle! What do we have to do to get an AGP port in one of these things!?

Re:This thing wants to be a LAN box, but... (3, Funny)

nukey56 (455639) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414509)

You're not a true lanner unless your main form of exercise is hauling your computer around.

Another review at VIA-Hardware (2, Interesting)

Tensor (102132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414491)

with pics too ..
ViaHardware [viahardware.com]

advertising campaign (1)

isli (543429) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414499)

Dude! you're getting a SS50!

Mr. Penis (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414505)

Mr Penis, meet Ms. Vagina. Mr. Penis!!! She's married!

I would rather get one of these.. (3, Informative)

minidoug (576237) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414506)

http://www.american-media.com/ the gBox P4 comes with an AGP port.. then I can really use it as my lan party box

Slashdot mafia (4, Funny)

Kasmiur (464127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414508)

Slashdot :So unless you pay mr Neal the amount we agreed upon bad things may happen.

Techsite : What ya gonna do tony. You can't do business like this.

Slashdot Tony: Lets just say your site will pay oh yes they will pay.

Techsite : You will never get the money from us.

Mr Neal : Tony unleash the hounds upon the site. Make a example of them.

Hounds : oo tech review lets check out the website.

Techsite webserver : AAAAAHHHH!!!!!!*puff of smoke*

Re:Slashdot mafia (1)

|<amikaze (155975) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415013)

wait a sec... *my* name is Tony.... what did I do?!?!

Shuttle caues segfaults on Linux and other Os's (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414511)

Yahoo has a story [yahoo.com] about this MB causing kernel panics and segfaults on Linux and cousin OS's and suprise!! Microsoft XP. They are warning consumers not to buy a repacked brand with bar code numbers "AD0040c04", the story gives an insight into the backdoor hackers of the asian market and talks about gloomy stuff like how this might be espinoage (come on!)

Trying to figure out (-1, Troll)

abhikhurana (325468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414513)

Actually I am just trying to figger out how big a negative nymber can slashdot score handle...what kinda variable is that....if U still don't understand, this is a troll dude....I am gunning for the record of most negative score...or highest absolute valuse of the acore.... ;)

surfeit of links in stories (0, Offtopic)

psycho (84421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414514)

here's something i've always wanted to ask in Slashdot [slashdot.org] : Why do you have so many links in posted stories? When you have a link to the tech report story, why is the site's home page linked too? Is it that we don't know enough to go to the site's home from the story itself? Or perhaps you want to show off your l33t html coding skills by putting in one more of those ooh..so geeky.. < a href >'s ?

Cute little MAME/Video/Jukebox (2, Interesting)

galaga79 (307346) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414519)

The more and more I read about these barebones/minicases the more I think that could make a tiny entertainment box in the living room. Especially after a few case mods, like clear casing and/or neon lights.

You could have MAME and other emulators running on it, and just connect up some Playstation controllers via a USB adaptor. Then it could double as a DVD/video/music system via an infrared remote control, cordless keyboard and/or mouse. It wouldn't be that expensive either as looking at the specs [ocworkbench.com] it looks most above are already taken care of. The only concern would be the noise generated but I don't know enough on that to comment. Maybe you could downclock the machine and use a smaller fan.

Anyone know the availability of these in Australia? I couldn't find anywhere via google that sold them locally.

Re:Cute little MAME/Video/Jukebox (1)

maunleon (172815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414551)

By the time you are done setting up your jukebox, might as well buy one of
these [comark.com] .

Re:Cute little MAME/Video/Jukebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414684)

I've already got the older SV24 running as a MAME/MP3 box - it's pretty good! It also doubles as a file server and internet gateway ...and it's good for watching divx and mpeg on my TV too :)

The fans that ship with the box are pretty crappy and noisy, so budget to buy some good replacements (e.g. Papst or Panaflo)

As long as you don't cram it full of heat generating hardware, you should be able to get away with running the fans at 7 volts too - I've done this on mine and my 1ghz Celeron peaks at around 45'C

what? can't hear you over the roar of my ss50 :P (4, Informative)

pangloss (25315) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414535)

One person measured the SS50 at 56dba:
Viahardware Small Form Factor & Quiet PCs Forum [pcstats.com]

And a number of ppl on that forum have complained about the noise--the SV24 was loud, but the SS50 is even louder :P

Apparently the excessive noise is die in large part to the crappy PSU fan, but

And incidentally, for the crowd that thinks undervolting the fan or using a low rpm fan is the solution, note that at 26'c ambient, the CPU already measures >50'c (more figures on page three of the above link).

Re:what? can't hear you over the roar of my ss50 : (4, Informative)

Peyna (14792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414919)

I've got one of these and it isn't very loud at all. My CPU stays a cool 40 C most of the time, so the fan is able to stay at 2400 RPMs, even when the fan has to speed up when the CPU heats up (which is customizable in the BIOS), it isn't too incredibly loud. My laptop overpowers this thing by a quite a bit. Maybe they just put a noisy hard drive in =]

Re:what? can't hear you over the roar of my ss50 : (1)

d^2b (34992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414922)

Does anyone know of an out-of-the box quiet alternative? I am intersted in a compact
compute server, so graphics and sound are not really a biggie.

I'd never trust... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414544)

anything with a SiS chipset again after the bloody time I had getting my last one to play nice with Linux :-(

Good fucking lord... (0)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414570)

...the site has been Slashdotted, and it's four o'clock in the fucking morning. Don't you people ever sleep?
Oh, don't give me that crap about Ukians on the other side of the world. We all know the earth is flat and that Ukians are a shameful Liberal myth.

Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez dead at 31 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414581)

R&B group TLC's Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez was killed violently in a car crash in Honduras earlier today. Though you may not have particularly enjoyed her music, there is no doubt that American culture was heavily influenced by such songs as Waterfalls and No Scrubs.

She will be missed by all.

Re:Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez dead at 31 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415117)

She will be missed by all
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry but this planet is better off with her gone..

She heppily set fire to her ex-lovers home when he didnt buy her the right kind of Nike shoes.

Oh yeah... she was real loveable...

NOT....

Great little routers (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414600)

These make great little routers... We are rolling them out to approx. 10 stores at the company I work for... yes, they're WAY more than we need for a router, but the "IT" person in corporate that I had to fight tooth and nail with to go with a Linux solution was only won over by way of the "that's neato" factor than by factual and financial information (I was competing against the vomit-inducingly overpriced watchguard fireboxes... nice product and all, but pay a per-user fee and negate the possibility of running other services or protocols, ever? fuck that.)

Dear /. ... (2, Insightful)

Chuqmystr (126045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414656)

Hey guys, I don't intend this as flame-fodder and I know it's been said many times in many ways and I still must ask. When will you see fit to have the common courtesy to start temporarily caching these stories from obviously underpowered sites? The ol' /. effect is becomming, IMHO, more of an annoyance than a phenominon. Please don't get me wrong, what you do is a great service but I think you have a responsibility to attend to this matter. What about the non-Slashdot readers who are just trying to get to these artices by other means and have no idea of ferreting out google caches and such? That's my Dollars American .02 worth. Thanks much for the freebee place on the web to spew my opinion

-DrMPF

<Leslie Neilsen mode=on >
Sit on my lap Timmy! Oh, it's ok, I'm not a priest!
</leslie Neilsen>

Re:Dear /. ... (1)

fyonn (115426) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414722)

would it be legal? sounds like an unauthorised copy to me where the banner owner don't get any hits. I imagine that caching pages would cause more problems than it solves

dave

Re:Dear /. ... (2)

Webmonger (24302) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414937)

Major copyright issues.

It might be legal for Slashdot to set up a caching proxy server, (like ISPs do), but can you really see that?

Hmm, that might just be a subscriber feature. . .

Re:Dear /. ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414939)

This has been addressed by the editors MANY times. They will NEVER do this. It's a copyright issue. They can only link to sites and not actually copy content or they will violate the copyright of the other site owner.

I hope they didn't run thier webserver (1)

Kasmiur (464127) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414764)

off that box. It crashed and burned under the mighty slashdot.

Not with Linux (1)

AntEater (16627) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414849)

I bought one of the Shuttle SV24s this winter after reading several reviews of the machine. I've never had a machine that was so unstable running Linux. Played with win98 on it just for kicks and it ran fine. Tried several different flavors of Linux on it and each one had problems with X randomly crashing, sound was hit and miss and the overall performance was disappointing. It may make a good little file server but it was lousey as a desktop. Unless they've done something radically different with these newer boards I wouldn't touch it with Linux.

Calling the fans loud would be a gross understatement. Replace them all with some ADDA fans and at least that problem goes away.

Re:Not with Linux (4, Interesting)

Peyna (14792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414951)

I've got the latest Skipjack beta running on my SS50 just fine. Only problem initially was with the video, but I found a helpful person on the XFree86 mailing lists that makes drivers for the SiS chipsets and now for the most part, everything works great. (If I had more time to test the drivers, it would probably work even better, but I hardly get the chance to install his daily releases of them as it is). If you have one of these and want to know where to get the video drivers for X, send me an e-mail. I don't dare post a link to his website for fear of killing it.

The fans on the SS50 are not very loud at all. Even when they speed up they are fairly quiet, not much worse than my other PC. I suppose if it wasn't sitting next to my monitor and under my desk, I'd probably hear it even less =]

aaaarrrrgggghhh no AGP (1)

dmiller (581) | more than 12 years ago | (#3414876)

Half my kingdom for a mini PC (available in .au) which takes a AMD processor, has built int ethernet, a PCI slot and an AGP slot.

Worse than 'loud' -- annoying. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3414907)

For those who haven't tried the SV24, let me reiterate -- it is loud. really loud. loud enough to make the machine impossible to be around.

Even when every other fan is replaced, the power supply fan is so loud and annoying that it's beyond redemption.

The fan itself is tiny, and spins incredibly fast, leading to a high-requrency whine. So it's not just quantitatively loud, but qualitatively aggravating as well.

If you buy one, don't say you weren't warned. (And don't even think about using it for a "media center". You may as well put a Hoover Upright next to the TV.)

Simple idea: separate the power supply from the PC (2, Insightful)

hqm (49964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415015)

People are complaining hard about the noise
from the power supply fans in some of these
small form factor PCs. The problem is you are
stuck with a hard-to-replace small power supply which may be noisy, built into the case.

Here's an idea, how about remove the power supply from the PC case entirely. Just put a connector on the PC to accept 5V and maybe +/- 12V.
You don't need 110 VAC
flowing into the machine, it just needs 5V internally. The +/- 12V don't need much power, and could probably be run from a small DC/DC converter in the case. But the high current 5V supply should come from an external box. It could be a
big quiet power supply tucked under a desk or something. It seems stupid to keep buying expensive high-end quiet power supplies for a PC.

Just bought one (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415059)

Well, an ss25, actually - for one of my employees who uses mostly word processing and other various office suite things. With a flat screen, a 1 Ghz CPU, and 256 megs of ram, the whole thing came out to less than a grand. Runs great, but the graphics don't quite cut it for 3D tasks.

More importantly - my employee loves it, mostly for the size. My daughter wants one, too. For most tasks, it's a pretty cool machine.

Dear Shuttle... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415099)

If you want to sell tons of these....

MAKE ONE WITH AN AGP SLOT AND NO ONBOARD VIDEO.

Dammit, I want a nice tiny lan-party box... I want a Geforce3 in it. I dont care about any pci slots or the super-crappy integrated video. (integrate audio if you wish, integrate 10/100,firewire,USB,DSP,TCPIP,MSETP,GPs,DVD,MEEP.. whatever... Just please please make one that has an AGP slot and no onboard video....

and if you want to make one with 1 AGP and 1 Pci so I can install a real soundcard and make it double duty as a lan-party box / portable digital record/mastering system.

they could do it... I know it..... I want my AGP slot.

ooOOOOOooo! So Original! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415144)

maybe I'm mistaken, but, didnt I buy something like this, in a much nicer form factor over a year ago from a company called Apple? I'm sure I did. In fact, yes, its sitting on the desk next to me. Innovation is only innovation if you INVENT IT. Not to mention doing something nobody has done before. Cube systems were built, marketed and sold by apple previous to this. They worked and they were well liked. However, most people out there werent ready for a cube computer. yay, this is yet another moment in history when someone built something thats allready been done yet the whole world in its short-sightedness, missed the real deal. oh well. Apple gets the credit again.

Re:ooOOOOOooo! So Original! (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415284)

I thought NeXT invented the cube...

Or was it Pythagoras?

Re:ooOOOOOooo! So Original! (1)

Quill_28 (553921) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415302)

Yes, but you probably paid a couple grand more for it.

Everything on a board (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415544)

The VIA Eden Plattform has everthing on a board:

The processor core: x86 that doesn't need active cooling.

Graphic, sound, ethernet...

plug in as much RAM as you want, an additional PCI and there You go. The smallest PC I have seen for so little money.

http://www.viatech.com/en/Products/eden.jsp
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