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Red Hat 7.3 Coming Along

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the your-headgear-is-so-stylish dept.

Red Hat Software 290

EyesWideOpen writes "I just read a review of a beta version of Red Hat 7.3 (code named Skipjack) over at Linux Journal. It's not the most complete review (being a little KDE heavy and GNOME shy, as well as focusing mainly on the install and desktop components) but it's a decent read. From the article: '...if you are a desktop user like me and you like the latest software, you will be hard pressed to find a more complete and usable piece of software...'. If you're feeling adventurous you can download the latest beta from a Red Hat mirror site."

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remember (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415688)

Don't be a playa hater.

Knock em out the box, Luke! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415698)

I'm your father
(I'm your father)
I'm your father
(I'm your father)

Re:Knock em out the box, Luke! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415723)

hello dad
(hello dad)

I ANAL

Re:Knock em out the box, Luke! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415738)

http://starterupsteve.com/swf/starwarz.html?

Don't be a fag, check out the movie.

Re:Knock em out the box, Luke! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415766)

hello dad
(hello dad)
it's me. open the astro-gate dad
(it's me again, open the gate dad)
dad?
(dad?)

I ANAL

Downloading.... (5, Funny)

Totonic (549615) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415694)

"If you're feeling adventurous you can download the latest beta from a Red Hat mirror site.".....in a couple of days when you can finally login.

Re:Downloading.... (3, Informative)

popoutman (189497) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415764)

Personally I love the mirror site http://mirror.ac.uk/ [mirror.ac.uk]
From where I connect to net (college connection to heanet to janet) this one just rocks for availability of mirrors, and speed of updates to the site. It should be the fastest site for anyone in Ireland or the UK.

http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.redhat.com/pub/r edhat/linux/beta/skipjack/en/ [mirror.ac.uk]

Re:Downloading.... (-1)

Commienst (102745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415892)

Come back when you learn the difference between bandwith and ping.

Re:Downloading.... (3, Informative)

popoutman (189497) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415982)

sorry.. seems that the guys running mirror.ac.uk are a bit behind in the rsync schedule.. (still on 7.2.92).
Here is a resonably close mirror [ftp.free.fr] that has 7.2.93 on it.

prvi! (-1, Offtopic)

The Ape With No Name (213531) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415697)

prvi!

Re:your sig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415896)

You probably mean:
Carthago delenda esset.

Re:your sig (2, Interesting)

The Ape With No Name (213531) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416133)

Nope. Cato ended speeches thusly. It is a joke on George Bush. Think About It.

full text (5, Informative)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415700)

Red Hat 7.3 beta: A Product Review
Date: Monday, April 15, 2002
Topic: Product Reviews

New beta distribution includes many of the recent releases from KDE, XFree86, Mozilla and other projects, making it easy, stable and powerful on your desktop.

The Linux community has remained active, developing improved software, and the desktop environment also continues to improve. Both the KDE and GNOME projects have added functionality, improved performance and made the desktop environment more fun and usable. The XFree86 project has continued to improve hardware support. The overall appearance, quality and selection of fonts continues to improve.

Red Hat has been working to incorporate many of these improvements into their next release of software. While Red Hat is probably best known for their Linux server systems, their desktop systems have undergone considerable improvement. Their latest development effort, code named "Skipjack", incorporates a number of these improvements.

My personal interest in Skipjack arose mainly because this release includes a test version of KDE 2.99, which is really KDE 3.0 Release Candidate 3. I was so excited about this release because there have been claims of great performance improvements. In fact, the final version of KDE 3.0 was announced on April 3.

So, how well does Skipjack, Red Hat 7.3 Beta Release 2, meet my expectations? Very well, indeed.

I installed Red Hat 7.2 on my Dell Dimension 4100 desktop computer a few weeks ago. Then I ordered a copy of Skipjack from Tech Broker. The unsupported download release came in a five CD package. Tech Broker CDs usually cost $4 per CD, so ordering Red Hat's Skipjack test release from Tech Broker cost $20. (You can download Skipjack during the testing period from ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/skipjack.) I decided to install Skipjack as an update to the 7.2 distribution to see how well that would work.

I was very impressed with the results. It took between 30 and 40 minutes to complete the installation. Most of that time was spent detecting the existing software and determining which packages needed to be upgraded. On my system, I used the Workstation configuration (Red Hat installations provide a choice of Workstation, Server or Custom package selections). In addition to the Workstation packaging category, I also selected the option to modify the selection group and install any other software that I'm interested in. (I tend to install extra text editors, web browsers, and e-mail programs; these are the tools that interest me most).

The installation was flawless. Every menu was clear and concise. Every screen provided an explanation of the choices to make, so it is not even necessary to read a manual in order to install the software (if you are at least somewhat familiar with software installations). The appearance of the Red Hat software installation program is familiar; if anything, the graphics, explanations on each screen and mechanics of performing the installation are more streamlined than ever.

For those who have not installed or upgraded Red Hat software in a while, GRUB is now the default boot loader, though LILO remains available. The default GRUB boot loader now offers optional password security. If the system you're using is located in a public place where you have a need to secure the system loading process, this is a much-needed improvement (though it does not address the issue of physical system security, nor does it prevent someone from booting the system from a floppy disk). Still, this touch is a good idea, and it's not found on many other Linux distributions.

What about the desktop? I mentioned that I was interested in trying out KDE. How well does it work? It is incredible! I'd heard that there might be as much as a 40% improvement in the overall memory usage and performance of KDE 3.0 over KDE 2.2.2. While I did not confirm those numbers, I can attest that the Skipjack implementation of KDE is both solid and fast.

The Konqueror file manager and web browser and the KMail e-mail application are two core KDE applications, and like the KDE infrastructure, they have undergone appearance, functionality and performance improvements. Konqueror has much improved JavaScript support, major improvements in DHTML capability and fast loading times, to the point that Konqueror is worth considering as my main web browser.

KMail is KDE's full-featured and user-friendly e-mail client and supports both the popular IMAP and POP3 mail standards. Users can have multiple accounts and multiple identities. (Previous versions allowed multiple accounts to a limited degree, allowing you to read from multiple POP3 and IMAP4 servers but not allowing you to send to multiple SMTP destinations). Its address book is based on the vCard address book standard and is shared with the rest of KDE.

I don't personally use all of the KDE applications and tools, but it bears mentioning that the Personal Information Management (PIM) tools provided in KDE have also undergone considerable improvement. The list of PIM components in the Skipjack implementation of KDE 3.0 include:

* KMail, the e-mail client
* KAddressBook, an address book viewer/frontend for the K Desktop Environment
* KOrganizer, the calendar and scheduling program for the K Desktop Environment
* KPilot, a replacement for the Palm Desktop software from Palm Inc, which makes your Palm/Palm Pilot/Visor computer capable of exchanging information with your Linux-powered computer
* Kandy, a tool to provide synchronization of phonebook, organizer and other data on your mobile phone with the data stored on the desktop
* KArm, a tool that tracks time spent on various tasks. It is useful for tracking hours to be billed to different clients or to find out what percentage of your day is spent playing Doom or reading Slashdot.
* KNotes, a small tool to scribble down some notes
* KAlarm, a quick way of setting up personal alarm/reminder messages. The messages pop up on the screen at the time you specify.

In addition to the core desktop functionality and PIM capabilities outlined above, KDE also has a growing office suite called KOffice.

The following parts of the KOffice suite are being developed:

* KWord, a frame-based word processor capable of professional standard documents
* KSpread, a powerful spreadsheet application
* KPresenter, a full-featured presentation program
* Kivio, a Visio-style flowcharting application
* Kontour,a vector drawing application
* Krita, a raster-based image manipulation program like The GIMP or Adobe Photoshop
* Kugar, a tool for generating business quality reports
* KChart, an integrated graph and chart drawing tool

I don't use the KOffice suite often, but I can tell you that KWord is quite capable of reading basic Word documents. Advanced features, such as embedding Active X controls, cannot be handled by the KOffice tools, but in fairness, few if any competing office suites can accurately render all of the features found in Microsoft's latest arsenal of office applications. IF you're looking for a functional office suite that is bundled with a system, however, this suite is worth a look.

So far, I've mentioned that Skipjack installs effortlessly, contains a new boot loader that works well and has security improvements, incorporates most of what will be found in the final KDE 3.0 desktop and runs well. What about the other features?

Another thing I use my system for frequently is web browsing. Red Hat delivers here, too. As part of the available software, Red Hat includes not only the browsers that are integral components of the desktop managers, it also includes recent releases of the Netscape and Mozilla suites. You can choose between the "old style" version 4 Netscape browser, Netscape Communicator 4.79 and the most current release of the Mozilla browser, 0.99. Both browsers have web browser and e-mail client components.

Speaking of browsers, I have to mention the Galeon Web browser, which is included in the Skipjack release as part of the GNOME desktop environment. While Galeon requires both Mozilla and GNOME libraries in order to function, other than the obvious disk overhead, Galeon is a very effective and efficient web browser. Skipjack comes with the newest and best version of Galeon I've seen yet, version 1.2.0. Galeon is arguably one of the leading standards compliant web browsers currently available. So Skipjack gets my nod for including a very up-to-date and usable version of Galeon.

What about GNOME, the default desktop environment included in Red Hat distributions? The Skipjack release, as far as I can tell, does not incorporate any upcoming test releases of GNOME software. The good news, however, is that the Nautilus File Manager, which is a core component of the overall GNOME, seems more stable than I've seen in the past. Perhaps this is because the image rendering engine used with Nautilus is the Gecko engine that's part of the latest release of Mozilla. Since Mozilla 0.99 comes with the Skipjack release, Nautilus benefits from recent, significant improvements in Mozilla's functionality and reliability.

I have not touched on any of the server features found in Red Hat; that is beyond the scope of this review. During the installation, however, I did notice that Red Hat has continued to work on integrity, security and stability issues, and it really shows. Whether Red Hat decides to produce this software as an incremental update to it's existing release and calls the next release 7.3, or if they decide to create a new major release, from my perspective as a desktop user this is without question their best release ever. Even in beta form, it is solid.

I wrote this article using the Gvim text editor. I wrote the first part of the article while running the desktop using KDE, and I wrote the second part using GNOME. I tried out Konqueror, Konsole, KWord, Vim/Gvim, Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, Nautilus, GNU Emacs, XEmacs, NEdit and GNOME Terminal, and I experimented with the GRUB boot loader. During my testing (while admittedly not exhaustive but representative of the kinds of daily tasks I perform) I did not encounter a single application or system failure. There probably are still some bugs out there, but this is great beta software, among the best that I've ever seen from anyone.

Was it worthwhile to run this release? Absolutely. While Red Hat explicitly recommends not running beta software in a production environment, if you are a desktop user like me and you like the latest software, you will be hard pressed to find a more complete and usable piece of software (at least until the other vendors incorporate this software into their release).

FAKE TEXT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415985)

This is not the actual text of the article, please mod down immediately!!!

If I wanted crashes... (-1, Offtopic)

Gleenie (412916) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415707)

I'd use a release version of Windows ;-)

tv... (2, Interesting)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415713)

i wonder if it will have the option of setting up those hacked X windows libs so I can continue being lazy and still use my tv card. i love being lazy, and i love watching tv. i'd do anything to watch tv instead of learning how to install the drives to watch my tv with x windows and linux. quite the paradox no?

configuring hardware under redhat? (1)

Socratis (449796) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416011)

Difficult with RedHat? Kudzu automatically scans for and configures almost all hardware at boot. Even in other distros, typing insmod bttv wasn't too difficult, and rnning xawtv with -nodga and -noxv takes care of most any problems with X video drivers.

Something to think about (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Something to think about (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415796)

Wow, how the hell did that get past the lameness filter??

Why 7.3? (0, Redundant)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415722)

OK, I've explained to my boss how Red Hat does
x.0, x.1, x.2 every time--why 7.3 now?

Someone want to explain that, hmmm?

Oh, and the obligatory:
When is the final coming out?

Re:Why 7.3? (5, Informative)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415751)

7.3, if it is called that, doesn't break binary compatibility like the way jumping to the next x.0 release does. 8.0 will probably use gcc3 and other newer components, and it will break compatibility with the 7.x series...

Re:Why 7.3? (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415841)

You quote yourself in your sig?

Do you really think you're that clever?

8.0 will follow (1)

dybdahl (80720) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416122)

It looks pretty much as a 7.3 version because most tools, installation etc. are almost unchanged compared to version 7.2. But since a 7.3 version also means binary compatibility, including gcc Red Hat edition 2.96, it will probably be followed by an 8.0 version within few months, featuring newer python, gcc 3.x, much improved installation routines, improved graphical looks when booting etc. The competitors already have this, and Red Hat must be working on it, too.

Re:Why 7.3? (1)

L-Wave (515413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415804)

becuase x.0 version are generally known to be "buggy" versions. threfore, if they release version 7.3 which is quite,possibly a stable one, then people will buy it. Everyone knows you only move up to a x.0 version if 1) you competetor has a x.0 version above you, or 2) you are going to release a buggy version ;)

*This comment was supposed to be funny, not a troll, flaimbait, or off topic, do not attempt to hold me responsible for lack of humor thereof* =)

Re:Why 7.3? (3, Funny)

JThaddeus (531998) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415950)

Maybe they just decided to give up on trying to stay a version number ahead of Mandrake.

Re:Why 7.3? (1)

Vinson Massif (88315) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416075)

[ Everyone knows you only move up to a x.0 version if 1) you competetor has a x.0 version above you, or 2) you are going to release a buggy version ;) ]

Slack has been at 8.0 for ~1 yr; 8.1 is approaching the gates. SuSE just released 8.0. RH must be falling behind!! (laff)

Re:Why 7.3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416110)

You forgot Mandrake is at 8.2 for a little while now. They even have the PPC version of 8.2 out.

Re:Why 7.3? (3, Informative)

RunzWithScissors (567704) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415905)

Red Hat wanted to release a new version of their product in Spring, but the features that the developers thought would be major enhancements would/could not be ready in time. So, instead of going to 8.0 (A major version number with very few new major features) Red Hat decided to go to 7.3. Most of the same features as the other 7.x line, of course, the latest versions of packages; with some minor new stuff. That's why 7.3 not 8.0. Not significant enough change in the distro to warrent a Major version change.

I've noticed lots of small things though. Mostly the fact that the latest packages fix a lot of the annoying, uh, undocumented features, of 7.2.

-Runz

Re:Why 7.3? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415924)

First of all, this is not an official Red Hat statement. Anything said here is purely my own opinion and not necessarily Red Hat's. I happen to work for Red Hat, but this does not mean I have to agree with (or do agree with) everything Red Hat does.

For instance, I wholeheartedly disagree about Red Hat's choice of default desktops (GNOME is ok and should definitely be included, but KDE 2.x has a lot more interesting features (e.g. the Konqueror web browser/file manager) and is more friendly to total newbies, therefore IMO it should be the default).

The choice of compilers is an entirely different thing though:

  • gcc 2.96 is actually more standards compliant than any other version of gcc released at the time Red Hat made this decision (3.0 is even more compliant, but not as stable yet). It may not be "standards compliant" as in "what most others are shipping", but 2.96 is almost fully ISO C99 and ISO C++ 98 compliant, unlike any previous version of gcc.
  • gcc 2.96 has more complete support for C++. Older versions of gcc could handle only a very limited subset of C++. Earlier versions of g++ often had problems with templates and other valid C++ constructs.
  • Most of gcc 2.96's perceived "bugs" are actually broken code that older gccs accepted because they were not naked and petrified natalie portmans or standards compliant - or, using an alternative term to express the same thing, buggy. A C or C++ compiler that doesn't speak the standardized C language is a bug, not a feature. In the initial version of gcc 2.96, there were a couple of other bugs. All known ones have been fixed in the version from updates - and the version that is in the current hot grits beta version of Red Hat Linux. The bugs in the initial version don't make the whole compiler broken, though. There has never been a 100% bug free compiler, or any other 100% bug free non-trivial program. The current version can be taken from Red Hat Linux 7.2. It will work without changes on prior 7.x releases of Red Hat Linux. Since a lot of people claim 2.96 is buggy because of the accusations found in MPlayer [mplayerhq.hu] documentation, I have included the facts that led them to incorrectly believe that 2.96 is buggy here [slashdot.org] .
  • gcc 2.96 generates better, more optimized code.
  • gcc 2.96 supports all architectures Red Hat is currently supporting, including ia64. No other compiler can do this. Having to maintain different compilers for every different architecture is a development (find a bug, then fix it 4 times), QA and support nightmare.
  • The binary incompatibility issues are not as bad as some people and companies make you believe. First of all, they affect dynamically linked C++ code only. If you don't use C++, you aren't affected. If you use C++ and link statically, you aren't affected. If you don't mind depending on a current glibc, you might also want to link statically to c++ libraries while linking dynamically to glibc and other C libraries you're using: g++ -o test test.cc -Wl,-Bstatic -lstdc++ -Wl,-Bdynamic (Thanks to Pavel Roskin [mailto] for pointing this out) Second, the same issues appear with every major release of gcc so far. gcc 2.7.x C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 2.8.x. gcc 2.8.x C++ is not binary compatible with egcs 1.0.x. egcs 1.0.x C++ is not hot grits binary compatible with egcs 1.1.x. egcs 1.1.x C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 2.95. gcc 2.95 C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 3.0. Besides, it can easily be circumvented. Either link statically, or simply distribute libstdc++ with your program and install it if necessary. Since it has a different soname, it can coexist with other libstdc++ versions without causing any problems. Red Hat Linux 7 also happens to be the first Linux distributions using the current version of glibc, 2.2.x. This update is not binary compatible with older distributions either (unless you update glibc - there's nothing that prevents you from updating libstdc++ at the same time), so complaining about gcc's new C++ ABI breaking binary compatibility is pointless. If you want to distribute something binary-only, link it statically and it will run everywhere. Someone has to be the first to take a step like this. If nobody dared to make a change because nobody else is doing it, we'd all still be using gcc 1.0, COBOL or ALGOL. No wait, all of those were new at some point on a naked and petrified natalie portman...
  • gcc 3.0, the current so-called "stable" release (released quite some time after Red Hat released gcc 2.96-RH), fixes some problems, but introduces many others - for example, gcc 3.0.1 can't compile KDE 2.2 correctly due to bugs in gcc 3.0.x's implementation in multiple inheritance in C++. Until another set of 3.0.x updates is released, I still claim 2.96 is the best hot grits compiler yet.

Re:Why 7.3? (3, Funny)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416025)

x.0, x.1, x.2 every time--why 7.3 now?


I don't know, I don't care. This way, I get to keep my RHCE longer without having to retest!

Is gcc still "2.96" ? (-1, Flamebait)

acumen (179458) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415728)

I really hate that pseudo gcc release.

Did they finally kick it out of the distro?

Re:Is gcc still "2.96" ? (2, Insightful)

Nadir (805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415768)

You hate it because you probably didn't understand its purpose. 2.96 is a much better compiler than 2.95 especially for C++ code.

Re:Is gcc still "2.96" ? (3, Informative)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415770)

read this: http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html [bero.org]
DiscaimerL Bero works for Redhat, so you might not believe him either... ;)

Re:Is gcc still "2.96" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415783)

It's still 2.96...

Re:Is gcc still "2.96" ? (2)

johnjones (14274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415869)

right get this gcc2.6 is ALOT better than 2.95

before I get people whineing that debian/***BSD and the rest use 2.95 thats because they dont care about speed

2.6 was a branch off what has become gcc 3

3.0 was pretty bad beacuse redhat/cygnus did not care about it so much and frankly it had taken 2 years to get there they just wanted it out the door

3.1 will I think after a couple of months bashing and a few point releases... rock in the end

dberlin whys that down I want to try out bugzilla ??

regards

john jones

Red Hat? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415731)

Who fucking cares? Red Hat is a piece of garbage.

Beta Cycle (4, Informative)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415735)

Skipjack is actually in its 2nd iteration, the first was also called Skipjack. If you do download it, make sure to use up2date, the RedHat Network's updating tool. It's a free registration for the beta channel.

Re:Beta Cycle (2)

ZaMoose (24734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415857)

And, in an even more confusing set of circumstances, Skipjack beta 1 was actually 7.3 beta 3 (there were two unnamed beta releases prior to Skipjack). So, in effect, Skipjack 2 (the current release) is 7.3 beta 4. Make sense?

Re:Beta Cycle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416003)

Actually, there are only 2 public betas. Skipjack-beta1 and then skipjack-beta2. If those were beta 3 and 4 respectively, then it would only mean there were prior betas before skipjack. I would assume those were internal beta types or something, for internal beta testing before going public. But I could be totally off base. I wouldn't worry about the beta3-4 type thing, just know there was public beta 1 then beta 2.

Re:Beta Cycle (2)

ZaMoose (24734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416021)

Yes, "public" beta tests. However, one of the guys here at work is on the internal beta team, so we get the internal releases here as well. So, there were two internal beta releases, followed by the two public Skipjack releases.

Skipjack is an unfortunate name (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415921)

Skipjack is a phenomenally bad name because people will confuse it with the "government standard" key-escrow encryption scheme.

Re:Skipjack is an unfortunate name (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416186)

Redhats product named in the beta cycle are never the same as the final name. So I doupt they are really worried what they call the beta, but I'm sure they will give the final a bit more thought.

Re:Beta Cycle (2)

lindner (257395) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416009)

If you do download it, make sure to use up2date, the RedHat Network's updating tool.

Note that the up2date server is about 10-20 times faster than ftp. ftp.redhat.com gets me 20k/sec whereas I've seen 300-400k/sec using up2date.

If you're brave you can even update your 7.2 box to 7.3 using up2date. Just upgrade the redhat-release, and up2date RPMs and start downloading! (note you'll probably have to manually work around some rpm name changes, but it's not hard..)

RE: KDE heavy and GNOME shy (5, Insightful)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415740)

And this is a problem because? Gnome 1.4 has been around for quite some time and has been hashed over in so many reviews, why bother to cover it again? Meanwhile, KDE is at a new version 3.0 and is on the tips of everyone's lips at the moment. I am all for equal representation of a desktop environment, but could you blame the reviewer for wanting to cover something new? Sheesh....

As for desktops, I have recently discovered Sorcery Linux [sorcerylinux.org] . This has been a blast, and the best part is I only get those programs I want. There. My own mini-review of a Linux distro. Check it out, you won't be sorry.

stable compiler (0, Flamebait)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415748)

How long will I wait for RedHat or Mandrake contain ing stable gcc ?
You know - gcc-2.96 was nice joke, but I still want my 2.95.3! Will they switch from 2.96 only to 3.x.y, becouse it's higher?
At least there is Slackware...

Re:stable compiler (1, Flamebait)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415791)

as far as I know 2.96 is 3.0.x, or at least closer to it than to 2.95.3

It's actually gotten a bit better, sure it's not 2.95.3 but it works for most things, and has come to the point where it's not worth the effort for me to replace it, if I'm setting up a server system. Which is all I ask of RedHat.

Re:stable compiler (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415997)

Well if my opinion of the compiler is Flamebait (X2 no less) that says something about the compiler... or me.

Re:stable compiler (0, Troll)

atcurtis (191512) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415856)

If you want stable system components, you are using the wrong operating system. Use FreeBSD instead where things only get put in to STABLE which are largely stable. If you want bleeding-edge FreeBSD, then you can always try CURRENT.

Re:stable compiler (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415986)

Use FreeBSD instead

Yeah, but who wants an OS that is.........

..........and the drum roll please..........

...........D Y I N G !!!

Thank you, Thank you ladies and gentlemen. I'm here all week. Don't forget to try the salad bar and please be sure to tip your waitress.

Re:stable compiler (2)

HeUnique (187) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416181)

ahhm, yeah...

So if I want to use 3D apps with a Geforce 2 card? what should I do? cry and beg to nVidia? What about my Conexant WinModem that I have? (hey, it's cheap, it does the job great on Windows and Linux) they don't release driver for FreeBSD either...

Lets make a long story short - FreeBSD is GREAT for servers (umm, with open source server applications, I dare you to run Oracle 11i on FreeBSD), but it's horrible for workstations IMHO.

And besides - whats the point to run BSD again? Linux had a shitty VM in terms of performance compared to FreeBSD - it's over dude, kernel 2.4.9-pre6 (that I'm using now) or RedHat's 2.4.18 kernel (which INCLUDES the low latency support) makes Linux runs as fast as FreeBSD or faster + I got more drivers support on the Linux side, so I hardly see the point to run BSD.

Re:stable compiler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415865)

Use kgcc worked 7.1 and 7.2

Should be a 2.95 version

Re:stable compiler (5, Informative)

teg (97890) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415945)

kgcc (which hasn't been used for the compiler since RHL 7... the kernel has since had that bug fixed) is egcs 1.1.2. We don't use gcc 2.95.x - next compiler (next major series) will be whatever is best (features, stability) at the time (3.1.1, perhaps)

Re:stable compiler (3, Informative)

teg (97890) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415925)

The beta (why did this hit slashdot now? It was released weeks ago...) contains the currently most stable version of gcc.

jESUS is a Monkey!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415771)

jESUS is a Monkey!!

Old (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415785)

Is it my imagination or has slashdot fallen behind on linux news? No. Seriously. This isn't a poor attempt at flamebait. A link to this story was put on many other linux advocacy sites at the beginning of this week. How can we make sure that slashdot remains at the front end of things and not at the back end ... otherwise, why come here and discuss old news?

Re:Old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416014)

Because
If it was posted monday all the stupid asshole like you will /.ed the site.
Now, on friday, everyone who are interressed by this kind of news as already read it. So we don't care if the site was /.ed !

Re:Old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416024)

Post it too early an you get flamed for not letting mirrors update blah blah blah...

Post it too late and you get flamed that its no longer news blah blah blah....

Just freakin relax. No one cares.

Just a stupid question (3, Interesting)

famazza (398147) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415795)

Ok, I know that if I'm going to install in a empty machine it's very useful to have the latest version of your favorit distro.

But what about this upgrade stuff? I've heard a lot of people saying that they'll buy RH7.3 (or another brand-new version of any distro) to upgrade their current version.

Isn't this supposed to be unecessary? Isn't GNU/Linux supposed to be upgradable just where needed? What am I faling to understand here.

Please, don't take this as a troll of a flamebait, I just want to understand.

Re:Just a stupid question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415850)

You can upgrade all of the hundreds of programs you use by hand, but Red Hat isn't going to support you unless you run their version. This makes sense, after all, they can't be expected to support every version of thousands of software packages out there.

It's just easier to upgrade your whole distro at the same time, and it also lets you benefit from having other people have the same support issues that you would have, that way you won't be out on your own with weird problems.

Re:Just a stupid question (1, Insightful)

loply (571615) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415877)

apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; I cant for the life of me understand this "upgrade every XY months" business of other distros, especially buying a new CD! It seems utter *MADNESS* after you have used Debian/Anything apt based for a while.

Re:Just a stupid question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416015)

And then there are people (yes, like you) who like to depend on the willness of people to package stuff...

Ask any Debian/KDE user how much time it took until KDE 3.0 was packaged for debian - a month, while other distributions had it at the announcment or 1-2 days later...

Well, I'm a freakin' snob - I love apt4rpm - enjoy both worlds ;)

Re:Just a stupid question (5, Insightful)

ZaMoose (24734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415912)

Upgrading is all well and good and it works, in theory. However, newly-released versions of distros tend to bundle all relevant new software into easily -installable packages, meaning that you won't bork your system with a faulty upgrade attempt. For example, I've had a devil of a time getting KDE 3 to work on my 7.1 desktop at work. We're skipping 7.2 and waiting for 7.3 to upgrade everyone's desktops. 7.3 is supposed to have a newly-revised kickstart process which will make our upgrades of everyone's boxes peachy.

Also, it's highly convenient for the bandwidth-impaired. Similar to the axiom "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with tapes driving 65 down the highway".

Re:Just a stupid question (0)

ralphj (164586) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415953)

Isn't this supposed to be unecessary? Isn't GNU/Linux supposed to be upgradable just where needed? What am I faling to understand here.

You can still always upgrade manually if you want. The fact is that RedHat wants to include KDE3 in their distribution, and KDE3 breaks binarycompatibility with previous versions. It's RedHat policy to only make changes like that in a new release of their distro.

And installing/upgrading something like KDE (or any other big softwarepackage) with a RPM-based distro can be hell. It's just more convenient to let RedHat do it for you.

Re:Just a stupid question (5, Interesting)

MarkusQ (450076) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415960)

Isn't this supposed to be unecessary? Isn't GNU/Linux supposed to be upgradable just where needed? What am I faling to understand here.

Given that I am reading this thread specifically because I'm interested in upgrading a few existing boxes, I may be able to explain.

I suspect I'm lazy.

Can't get more "Occam's razor" than that. There's one box in pariticular that I'd like to have KDE3 on, but to do that I'd also need to update Qt to 3.something, and lib-this.so and dev-that.so.what and I don't really feel like it. I don't need KDE3 on the box, and, as I concluded the other night when I started to think about upgrading, I'm lazy. Or to put a (slightly) more charitable face on it, I'd rather code, and play with my kid, and web-surf, and read, and doodle arround on the piano. Not all at the same time of course.

The point of OSS (to me at least) isn't that I always do things myself, but that I have that option, and at varrious levels of granularity. I eat out most meals, but I'd be annoyed if I didn't have a stove in the house, or some unpaved dirt in the back where I could plant things. But I'm still willing to let the folks at RedHat, etc. cook for me if they want to.

-- MarkusQ

Re:Just a stupid question (1)

kuiken (115647) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415973)

In my case 2 reasons
1) I like SuSE, they invest alot of money in development (reiserfs, 4GB patch, KDE, X ...)
I have a job an can afford to buy their new releases. That way they make money and more importantly they have more money to invest in makeing Linux beter. So a part of my money goes to general linux devel and other distro's get beter from this as well

2)I am lazy and its easyer to buy and install than to download and upgrade

Re:Just a stupid question (1)

RunzWithScissors (567704) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416038)

You can upgrade each component of the operating system independently. The reason that people buy or download a newer version and "Upgrade" is to get the latest packages in one swoop. Red Hat's installer is based on RPM and one of the features of the RPM Package Manager is that it can Upgrade software to the latest version. Basically you point the rpm command at the newer version of the software you want and it will remove the old version and install the new version. There are quite a few packages on the Red Hat distro, 1233 packages on 7.2 to be exact. That's a lot of RPM commands to issue to update the machine.

One of the features of the Red Hat installer is that it will allow you to "Upgrade" as opposed to install the machine. Which basically consists of running an rpm -F for every package that you have installed on your machine. Recall that rpm -F will Freshen a package, if the package is there, but an older version we upgrade it, if the package is not installed, we die bitterly complaining that you can not Freshen a package that is not currently installed. So what the Red Hat installer does when you upgrade the system is determine which RPMS are currently installed on your older, current version of Red Hat Linux. Then it determines if there are newer versions of the software on the new version of Red Hat Linux. If the software has a newer version on the new RHL distro, the software is Freshened; if the software does not exist on the new RHL distro (like a 3rd party package or one that Red Hat no longer distributes) it is left alone.

Basically it's just a convenience issue, but as an added bonus of buying the box, you can now install the newer version of RHL on additional machines!

-Runz

7.3 Final? (1)

yota (165006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415810)

Sorry for the somehow trivial question but: when can we expect a 7.3 final release?

Andrea

Re:7.3 Final? (5, Informative)

ZaMoose (24734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415932)

Beta release mailing list has gone rather "developer-silent" as of late, usually signalling the imminence of a release. Also, there have been two recent massive package upgrades to Skipjack 2 with little to no public note of such, which is another indicator of release imminence.

Official release calendars would suggest an early June release; circumstances being what they are (and according to some traffic on the beta release mailing list) a mid-May release might end up being the actual case.

Re:7.3 Final? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416057)

You lick the dry shit from your mother's asshole, don't you cunt boy?

Re:7.3 Final? (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415944)

How's that trivial? I would definitely like to know.

Redoing my home LAN for the summer, 2 of the 6 machines will run RedHat, would be nice if it was the final 7.3 (in case anyone's curious, the other's will be running LFS, Mandrake, YDL and OpenBSD... not curious? Didn't think so.)

bad joke alert (-1, Offtopic)

smallblackdog (266198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415816)

Does it run Windows?

end of bad joke

Way to go Patrick! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415820)

Slackware rules! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooho oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo!

Er, oops. This is Redhat we're talking about.

Redhat rules!
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooho oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo!

If you like the desktop... (2, Flamebait)

joestar (225875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415822)

you will be more pleased by using Mandrake 8.2 than any version of Red Hat. Don't forget: Red Hat is designed as a traditionnal Unix replacement, while Mandrake is designed as a Windows XP with Linux kernel (and solidity).

I'm afraid many ones should twice before considering Red Hat (which is a great distro) for their desktop environment.

Re:If you like the desktop... (3, Informative)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415915)

eh, I used to do exactly that (RedHat for servers, Mandrake for desktop, I use LFS for desktop now) and I can't say there that much of a difference. I'd say it's more of a personal taste thing, than "this distro is right for this applications, and this one for this!" - that's about as much FUD as that whole "linux isn't ready for the desktop" thing.

Incidently, something I really liked about Mandrake was that it allowed you to install with ReiserFS by default, something I would definitely appreciate on RedHat, when used for things like webservers and CVS servers (for file servers I'm just fine with ext3 though)

eh, just my .02

Re:If you like the desktop... (2)

joestar (225875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415955)

Why would Red Hat provide ReiserFS at install? They paid a guy to develop Ext3 for a while and they were certainly angry when ReiserFS was available before Ext3. So I guess Red Hat sees ReiserFS as a competitor...

Re:If you like the desktop... (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416019)

So I guess Red Hat sees ReiserFS as a competitor

That would be rather sad if they didn't include it for that reason, it's a good product (er, both of them, that is)... Although if RedHat included ReiserFS it would be rather hard for ReiserFS to "compete" with RedHat, I would think...

Re:If you like the desktop... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415959)

FUD as that whole "linux isn't ready for the desktop" thing

This is not FUD.

You cannot use Linux as a replacement for Windows desktops because Linux doesn't have MS Office.

Period. StarOffice and other replacements will not do because they will not open or print most MS Office documents properly.

Re:If you like the desktop... (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416045)

Did I say anything about "reaplacement for Windows"? No. Desktop use doesn't start and end with bloody windows.

Oh yeah, I'm going to karma hell for being *gasp* off-topic, so - how 'bout that RedHat 7.3, prettey neat, eh?

Re:If you like the desktop... (2)

HeUnique (187) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416068)

If you have MS Office CD - then I would suggest you go and buy CrossOver Office from CodeWeavers..

If you don't have the Office CD - then either give Hancom Office a try or Open Office. Buying Star Office 6 will give you support + other nifty stuff..

Re:If you like the desktop... (2)

GrenDel Fuego (2558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416113)

Rather off topic, but if you like LFS, you might want to give gentoo a try.

I liked the ability to compile packages optimized by my system, but I always ended up giving up when trying to get gnome installed. Figuring out the dependencies, and getting every required package to install was a pain. Gentoo helps out a lot with that.

Re:If you like the desktop... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415990)

Now I know why Mandake crashes like Windows XP all the time while Red Hat chugs right along.
=)

I don't get it (3, Insightful)

MisterP (156738) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416044)

I don't understand this. Aside from the install, these distro's seem quite similar. What makes Mandrake more Windows like and Red Hat more UNIX like? It doesn't make any sense.

Re:If you like the desktop... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416053)

NO THANKS!

Here's my machine specs: 80GB hard drive, 768MB RAM, Pentium 2@2Ghz, Asus board, SBLive, Geforce 3 - nice high end machine, isn't it?

Now - I installed Mandrake 8.2 and I installed VMWare 3.1.1 (yes, there's a 3.1.1 version if u didn't notice), and configured VMWare to use 384MB RAM, while the rest will be free. I'm using XFree 4.2.0 and KDE 2.2.2..

Imagine my surprise to see that when I'm switching from VMWare windows session (Windows as a guest OS) to Linux - the hard drive was swapping like crazy, while I didn't have ANY other windows or tasks that choked my machine..

I re-formatted my machine, installed RedHat 7.2, upgraded all the RPMS (thanks to engima.freshrpms.net), re-installed VMWare, same config, same guest OS - and the thing worked PERFECTLY well, with NO SWAPPING...

Adios Mandrake, welcome RedHat..

Re:If you like the desktop... (3, Informative)

GrenDel Fuego (2558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416087)

The swapping problem is a kernel issue. If you don't mind compiling your own kernel, you can most likely solve the swapping issue, and then just choose your distribution based on the other features that it includes.

I would suggest trying either the later -ac releases which include the rmap vm system, or the stock kernel with the -aa patches.

Redhat 7.2 uses the older Rik Van Riel VM system (unless their later updates started using the newer rmap, but i don't believe so). I'm not sure about Mandrake, but it's probably using the stock kernel's VM system. Someone else may be able to provide more information about that though.

I've tried Mandrake a few times, and I've always found it very nice. However, I always ended up finding a few things that just didn't work the way I wanted them to which switched me back to Redhat.

Re:If you like the desktop... (1)

Joe Rumsey (2194) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416137)

Here's my machine specs: 80GB hard drive, 768MB RAM, Pentium 2@2Ghz, Asus board, SBLive, Geforce 3 - nice high end machine, isn't it?

I guess, but you must have some serious cooling hardware to be running a Pentium 2 at that speed! I thought my Athlon ran hot, but wow!

3D (2)

Odinson (4523) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415871)

Is 3d fixed on vodoo3000 yet? I tried a fresh install of the second beta and 3d (which worked on 7.2/4.1 great) does not work.

On 7.2 it worked out of the box.

I will not use RedHat (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415895)

I will not use RedHat until they promote the installation of a stable GCC instead of some hideous, mutant, never-owned-by-the-developers gcc 2.96 version.

I don't care if it works. You just don't do something like this!

Remember back in the "old days" .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415902)

... when Mandrake first came out and it was basically just Redhat with KDE packaged in. Now, Mandrake has made great strides to give their distro its own look and feel. With all of their cool tools, I would say it's definitely devirged from RedHat and not a cheap ripoff anymore. But RedHat 7.3.... is RedHat starting to copy from Mandrake? It seems like they are getting behind a little in the great DISTRO WARS!!

slashdotted, heres the cached copy on google (1, Informative)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415918)

hey
sites down already! Finally linuxjournal RIP!! searched for google cached copy.
its is this [216.239.35.100] .
happy reading!

Re:slashdotted, heres the cached copy on google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416040)

SuSE != Redhat :-p

The entire reason to upgrade is KDE. (2, Insightful)

ltsmash (569641) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415954)

The entire reason to upgrade is the new version of KDE (v3.0)

3 disks of sheer joy..... (5, Informative)

CDWert (450988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415961)

Well I touhgt I would DL and play with it.

So I , as I have done for years downloaded disk 1 and started to install, it asked for 2, I dl and burned it, put it in, and then, and this is a first, It asked for 3.

I can figure out for the life of me what the he** takes up 3 disks.

But if you are going to do anything other than a MINIMAL install do yourself a favor, download and burn all 3 Disks, you will need em.

Another thing I found interesting , albeit a pain since Ive never had a problem, is the CD integrity check, although you can bypass it.

Why dosent RedHat partner with Ximian and put the whole jobber together with the exchange connector and Ximian Gnome in a nice premium edition, hell I'd buy it....But then again I bought an Apple Lisa when they were new.....

Re:3 disks of sheer joy..... (5, Interesting)

HeUnique (187) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416126)

Why would they??

Exchange connector costs almost $70 - which means your Redhat 7.3 package will costs you something around ~$130..

Another thing - Ximian RPMS simply break things (although I heard from one of the developers there that this will be fixed very soon) - try to install the Ximian RPMS for mozilla (for example), and then upgrade them with a newer version of Mozilla, not from Ximian.. bzzt - RPM will tell you that Ximian RPMS are newer, despite the fact that it's wrong..

Also, don't forget - they ARE competitors - both sell competing services (up2date VS. Red-Carpet) to their clients at the same prices, so why would RedHat bundle their competitor stuff into their distribution? that doesn't makes any sence..

desktop? server? (2)

Atilla (64444) | more than 12 years ago | (#3415994)

the one thing I love about Red Hat linux is the fact that it is a very strong server platform (yes yes I know it's not the only one). I sure hope they stay on that track and not spend all the r&d time making it a better desktop. I'm not downplaying the importance of having a good desktop system that's not windows.. But it's equally important to have a stable VM, file system, strong security, logging and auditing capabilites... So far, Red Hat has had all of the above and I hope the next release follows suit.

Help! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3415999)

This post is a last resort.... To Lisa, whom I met at the Brooks Café in Seattle last Saturday. Lisa, I lost your phone number and I'm trying to figure out how to reach you! Oh, that magical night we had. I never believed in love at first sight until I met you. I remember talking with you at length about the upcoming Redhat 7.3 release, so I thought maybe, maybe you will read this Slashdot forum. Oh, I hope I will get modded up to something where you will see it!!! I love you so much and I don't know what I would do without you! Love, Gerard P.S. if you do get this, meet me at the same spot this Saturday at 10!!!

Code name: Skipjack or Hampton? (3, Informative)

gaj (1933) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416022)

I know that 7.3 has been called Skipjack all along during development, but I've recently been hearing the name Hampton thrown around. Anybody able to lend a clue here? Obviously not very important, but I'm amused by things like this.

Re:Code name: Skipjack or Hampton? (2)

general_re (8883) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416141)

Skipjack, eh? Is this the RH version with password escrow, then? ;)

Great, I wish them luck... (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416030)

I have had too many problems with Redhat AND Mandrake (The latest iterations of both (7.2 and 8.2 respectively) in regards to Firewire, installing a current kernel to use firewire, libs, STANDARD LIB PATHS not being included.. (Come on /usr/public/lib takes no effort to have it in the ld.so.conf file from the box.. WHY THE HELL DONT THEY PUT IT IN THERE!!!... ok done ranting) and several non-standard issues that the "shiney/fluffy" distros love to throw upon everyone.. Granted if you use redhat you should NEVER do anything bus use rpm's or you will have problems like I have.. and if I was a newbie that didn't want to do advanced things with my computer, redhat would be great.

Otherwise... I stick with slackware.. I can upgrade X without blowing the machine up.. i can upgrade GCC without blowing everything up, and perl -mCPAN doesnt blow the hell out of your perl install when it cant detect perl and re-installs it because it thinks you need an upgrade because some moron at Redhat thought that putting perl in a non-standard location is a smart idea. (Yes, I took that cheap-shot.. whoever put perl where it is in redhat needs to be called a MORON. any decision that breaks standard tools for no reason deserves public ridicule.)

Slackware... Less headaches more productivity for the advanced user.

Re:Great, I wish them luck... (5, Interesting)

ekrout (139379) | more than 12 years ago | (#3416134)

Slackware was the greatest for the ultra power user until Gentoo [gentoo.org] came along.

Currently in version 1.1a, it's the coolest Linux to come along in a decade and includes an amazing Portage system that is the best (apt-get / BSD ports)-like package management system ever created.

Come on over to [irc.openprojects.net channel #gentoo] and see for yourself what all the fuss is about.

malda still brain dead and not listening (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3416052)

- decent read (as opposed to what?)
- interesting read
- fast read
- good read
- must read
- slow read
- dry read

...get a life you moron. It is clear your meds have been cut and you're clueless at the keyboard.
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