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Making an Independent Web Site?

Cliff posted more than 12 years ago | from the whatever-happened-to-the-free-internet dept.

The Internet 484

KinsmanCa asks: "Lately I've been thinking of opening a website - but looking over what web hosts provide, I don't like the idea of having a bandwith limit of so many gigabtyes per month, or having to be mindful of what the provider considers community standards. How can I create a website that's as independent as possible? By which I mean, pay as few bills to as few people as possible, and have to answer to nobody but the law itself as far as my content goes? Assume that I'm willing to pay a lot as far as hardware or initial setup costs go. How much autonomy can a regular person get on the Internet?"

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422031)


EP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422036)

Early post! Logged In Trolls Lick Idiot Turds!

If money's no object... (0, Insightful)

seinman (463076) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422038)

Just get a server, T3, and host it yourself.

Re:If money's no object... (2, Insightful)

BitterOak (537666) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422099)

Just get a server, T3, and host it yourself.

I don't see how that solves the problem of potential content control. The T3 cable has to be connected to an ISP at the other end. And that ISP is just as likely to have content "standards" as any other. Just because you're using a T3 line instead of a cable or telephone modem doesn't mean you don't have to deal with an ISP. It would solve the bandwidth problem as T3's have a fixed, well-defined bandwidth with no total monthly limit on gigabytes, but there still might be content standards.

From my cold, dead hands. (5, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422114)

Do you think a T3 connection is some kind constitutional right? Guess again. People lose their connections all the time, just because somebody objects to how they use it. Slashdotters have seen that happen to interesting sites, like that Tawainese web site that tried to stream movies for a dollar s how. We've also caused it to happen, when we complain about servers with with open mail relays or other spam-friendly features.

I used to be very optimistic about the role of the internet in combatting censorship. I was naive and silly. The internet resists goverment censorship, because it's difficult to enforce laws and regulations against such a decentralized entity. But as long as the key networks are owned by a few media monopolies, you will play by their rules, or your plug will be pulled.

Re:If money's no object... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422220)

Two words: Cogent Communications [] .

fp (-1, Offtopic)

unclelib (552196) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422039)

first post

ha ha ha (-1)

Yr0 (224662) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422040)

obviosly not first but
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One Word: (0, Troll)

penguinboy (35085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422042)


Four Words: Impeach George W. Bush #@ +1 ; True (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422071)

My complaint about Donald Rumsfeld:

I am writing this letter rather reluctantly. I do not wish to begin an incendiary debate about Donald Rumsfeld's scribblings. However, Rumsfeld has recently made a few statements that I find disturbing to such a degree that I cannot remain silent. Let's get down to brass tacks: I cannot believe how many actual, physical, breathing, thinking people have fallen for Rumsfeld's subterfuge. I'm thoroughly stunned. I don't need to tell you that his opinions are a cesspool of Stalinism. That should be self-evident. What is less evident is that in order to solve the big problems with him, we must first understand these problems, and to understand them, we must place a high value on honor and self-respect. Rumsfeld has taken it upon himself to saddle the economy with crippling debt. That's self-evident, and even Rumsfeld would probably agree with me on that. Even so, there is a simple answer to the question of what to do about his memoranda. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must analyze his cock-and-bull stories in the manner of sociological studies of mass communication and persuasion.
He keeps saying that "the norm" shouldn't have to worry about how the exceptions feel. For some reason, Rumsfeld's deputies actually believe this nonsense. Unless violence and prejudice are funny, it is simply wrong to conclude that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape.
Did it ever occur to Rumsfeld that maybe what was morally wrong five years ago is just as wrong today? Dream on. We must understand that his undertakings, while ideologically grounded in a rhetoric and practice of totalitarianism, are surrounded by a cloak of secrecy and "plausible denial". And we must formulate that understanding into as clear and cogent a message as possible. Because we have the determination to see the truth prevail, we must never forget that I am flat-out tired of his psychological bullying. And let me tell you, this is neither a document written in anger nor something I am being paid to write. That said, let me continue. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Surprised? You shouldn't be, because some scurrilous vagrants actually claim that the laws of nature don't apply to Rumsfeld. This is the kind of muddled thinking that Rumsfeld is encouraging with his perceptions. Even worse, all those who raise their voice against this brainwashing campaign are denounced as hedonism-prone, sappy meatheads.
His cronies are not, technically, officious delinquents, but rather conceited, irritable poseurs. I, for one, think that there is a small -- yet not entirely insignificant -- difference. I myself like to speak of him as "lecherous". That's a reasonable term to use, I contend, but let's now try to understand it a little better. For starters, I must part company with many of my peers when it comes to understanding why what Rumsfeld seems to be forgetting is that only homicidal, surly fast-buck artists are capable of imagining that everyone with a different set of beliefs from his is going to get a one-way ticket to Hell. My peers believe that I get concerned when I see him flush all my hopes and dreams down the toilet. While this is decidedly true, I insist we must add that it's possible that he doesn't realize this because he has been ingrained with so much of incendiarism's propaganda. If that's the case, I recommend that we call for proper disciplinary action against him and his accomplices. No matter how much talk and analysis occurs, different people often see the same subject in different lights. For proof of this fact, I must point out that Rumsfeld should learn to appreciate what he has instead of feeling so oppressed because he can't do everything he wants, every time he wants to.
You've never heard that his intention is to censor any incomplicitous rodomontades? That's because his vicegerents have been staging a massive cover-up for quite some time now. But if you keep your eyes open, you'll notice that we can't stop him overnight. It takes time, patience and experience to guide the world into an age of peace, justice, and solidarity. I could tell Rumsfeld that he is up to no good, although he obviously doesn't care. I could tell him that what really gets my goat is knowing that parasitism is a crime, an outrage, and a delusion, but he wouldn't believe me. He probably also doesn't care that he is unable to deal with a world populated by human beings. So let me appeal to whatever small semblance of reason Rumsfeld may be capable of when I tell him that if he had done his homework, he'd know that many people are incredulous when I tell them that he intends to replicate the most childish structures of contemporary life. "How could Rumsfeld be so jackbooted?", they ask me. "It doesn't seem possible." Well, it is surely possible, and now I'll explain exactly how Rumsfeld plans to do it. But first, you need to realize that I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that he is up to, the more shocking things, things like how he wants to irrationalize thinking on every issue. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but if natural selection indeed works by removing the weakest and most genetically unfit members of a species, then he is clearly going to be the first to go.
My purpose is to lead Rumsfeld out of a dream world and back to hard reality. Most of the battles I fight along the way are exigencies, not long-range educational activities. Nevertheless, Rumsfeld is an opportunist. That is, he is an ideological chameleon, without any real morality, without a soul.
I won't pull any punches here: I like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: To say that self-aggrandizing segregationists have dramatically lower incidences of cancer, heart attacks, heart disease, and many other illnesses than the rest of us is pompous nonsense and untrue to boot. Was Rumsfeld just trying to be cute when he said that he has been robbed of all he does not possess? I sure hope so, because he would love to see me question my existence. Rumsfeld will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact, because if he didn't, you might come to realize that one can consecrate one's life to the service of a noble idea or a glorious ideology. Rumsfeld, however, is more likely to eviscerate freedom of speech and sexual privacy rights.
Allow me to explain. His equivocations are based on a technique I'm sure you've heard of. It's called "lying". I can only reveal some shocking facts about Rumsfeld's morals if Rumsfeld's army of mischievous, offensive flag burners is decimated down to those whose inborn lack of character permits them to betray anyone and everyone for the well-known thirty pieces of silver. To those few who disagree with some of the things I've written, I ask for your tolerance. Most of you reading this letter have your hearts in the right place. Now follow your hearts with actions.
While it is not my purpose to incriminate or exculpate or vindicate or castigate, the next time Rumsfeld decides to create a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism, and ignorance, he should think to himself, cui bono? -- who benefits? But it gets worse than that. If he is victorious in his quest to play fast and loose with the truth, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity. The funny thing is, Rumsfeld is essentially describing a situation that does not exist. So what's the connection between that and Rumsfeld's theories? The connection is that I'm sticking out my neck a bit in talking about his ramblings. It's quite likely he will try to retaliate against me for my telling you that a great many of us don't want him to sully my reputation. But we feel a prodigious pressure to smile, to be nice, and not to object to his repressive, malodorous doctrines. As everyone knows, there's certainly no point in arguing with Rumsfeld. What you might not know, however, is that he really struck a nerve with me when he said that Comstockism is a viable and vital objective for our nation's educational institutions. That lie is a painful reminder that Rumsfeld's backers are too lazy to restore the ancient traditions that Rumsfeld has abandoned. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that Rumsfeld argues that his notions are not worth getting outraged about. I wish I could suggest some incontrovertible chain of apodictic reasoning that would overcome this argument, but the best I can do is the following: I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that his views are propaganda to the point of comedy and are so easily refuted as to render them useless even as such. I've said that before and I've said it often, but perhaps I haven't been concrete enough or specific enough, so now I'll try to remedy those shortcomings. I'll try to be a lot more specific and concrete when I explain that he likes to compare his words to those that shaped this nation. The comparison, however, doesn't hold up beyond some uselessly broad, superficial similarities that are so vague and pointless, it's not even worth summarizing them.
A study of depraved clowns indicates broad political and ideological agreement on the use of force combined with a set of simple tactics to achieve their immediate goal: to force people to act in ways far removed from the natural patterns of human behavior. After all, Rumsfeld should think about how his remonstrations lead evil traitors to put the gods of heaven into the corner as obsolete and outmoded and, in their stead, burn incense to the idol Mammon. If Rumsfeld doesn't want to think that hard, perhaps he should just keep quiet. To recap the main points made in this letter: 1) I cringe at the thought of how Donald Rumsfeld might some day popularize a genre of music whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge rabid, sick mob bosses to take rights away from individuals whom only Rumsfeld perceives as brutal, 2) I think this is tragic, and 3) I must call a spade a spade if we are fully to appreciate the entire menace represented by abominable Philistines.

Re:One Word: (1, Redundant)

saviorsloth (467974) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422081)

on that line, you should check out HavenCo [] , located in the principality of Sealand []
from the HavenCo site:
"The Principality of Sealand is a former World War II anti-aircraft military fortress in the North Sea. Only authorized persons directly involved in the HavenCo project are permitted to land on the island. The Sealand Government is ideal for web business, as there are no direct reporting or registration requirements."

Re:One Word: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422107)

I highly recommend HavenCo for hosting services. I will be setting up the world's largest collection of child pornography and terrorist training information there in the upcoming months.. just as soon as I grease the palms of that fat "prince" who thinks he owns the place. Ironic huh? I can post shit about making bombs but they have a policy against posting pictures of little kids having anal sex? Amazing.

Real fucking helpful you moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422125)

Colocate. Yes I'm sure that would help all of us, especially the person who asked the fucking question. You could be a little more descriptive you fucking inconsiderate asshole. I'm sorry if not everyone is as smart as you poindexter. You know what? Take your fucking smarts and shove them us your ass cause when I come after you not the smartest brain in the world will be able to protect your ass.

And, ah, fuck you. You are not even worth thinking of a good insult for.

Re:Real fucking helpful you moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422222)

are you eating a pile of freshly-laid fecal matter yet?



Re:One Word: (1)

sharkman67 (548107) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422131)

It is ridiculous to think that you are entitled to all the bandwidth you can use for $10-20/mo. If you want no restrictions get your own T1 (or better) and do it all yourself. T-1's are available around $800 in my area. Spend about 2k on a Sangoma card + DSU and do your own routing. Now if you can be reasonable about things go for a collocation. My company ( has collocations starting at $125/mo. The only limitation we impose is bandwidth and we are pretty generous at all levels.

Re:One Word: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422152)

Your website ( sucks. But don't worry, you'll be bankrupt in no time :)

Re:One Word: Chocolate (1)

Jerp (135831) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422168)


This thread is taking over the article: MOD DOWN!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422179)

  • MOD DOWN PARENT!!! Like you did with the First Troll Post Conspiracy and How To Get Rid Of Slashdot Ads.

Get your own T1 (3, Informative)

heyitsme (472683) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422045)

Well, the obvious and most straight-to-the point answer would be to get your own T1 or other high speed line, a router, and server(s).

Only through this method will you get the control and administrative capabilities you seek.


First Post! WOOH! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422046)


first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422047)


freehosts (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422048)

Try a free adult host.
You'll have to put up with a banner ad top and
bottom, but it's unlimited bandwidth.

Look on xbiz for lists of them

Adult freehosts -- Don't bother (3, Informative)

serutan (259622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422169)

Adult freehosts are in business to promote specific pay sites, not to provide free hosting for you to use any way you want (duh!!). They will pull non-porn pages, or porn pages that promote non-approved sponsors.

Simple. (5, Informative)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422050)

Colocate a server somewhere.

Hint: You won't avoid bandwidth fees one way or the other. Bandwidth costs money.
You won't avoid them *especially* if you want to be left alone to do what you want to do.

Buy a server, colocate it somewhere, and set up what you want. Do your own mail, dns, everything.

Or... lease a cobalt raq somewhere, that might be a good start. Quick, easy, your own machine.

bandwidth fees (2, Informative)

MattW (97290) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422091)

That's simply not true. Many providers can provide you a fixed-rate setup, where you have a maximum transfer rate that you can sustain constantly and pay nothing more. While the "X gigs of transfer" is popular among many web hosters, most colocation providers offer based on sustained average usage. IE, there is a base price for 1 Mbps/sec, and if you only average that, you pay the base. Then there is a surcharge based on your average for the month being >1Mbps/sec.

It could also be pointed out that colo isn't for the "average joe". Not everyone wants the hassle of running their own box.

Own server... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422051)

You could host the entire thing from a computer on your localnet, and connect it to the net through your regular ISP.
Need I mention Linux as a good possibilty ?

Gibsons (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422052)

Are for hacking!!

sh0utz to:

l0rd n1k0n
z3r0 k001

here's how (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422054)


How much, eh? (1)

soulsteal (104635) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422056)

How much autonomy can a regular person get on the Internet?

As much as you can afford. If you can plink down the chips to get your own lines and servers, then do so and pay out the nose for hella bandwidth.

I think he's asking.. (1, Funny)

S3ph (194624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422058)

I think he's indirectly asking slashdot to host his site. Can't you guys take a hunt? :)

oops, hunt == hint (1)

S3ph (194624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422069)

oops, hunt == hint
I should read what I write before posting

Re:oops, hunt == hint (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422128)

If you proof-read your posts on slashdot, the terrorists have won.

Re:oops, hunt == hint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422208)

Damnit ... I was just seeing if I could get my hands on a cint!

no: oops, hunt == cunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422102)

That was a Freudian Clit. I mean Slit. Oh, never mind.

Netmar (3, Informative)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422065)

Try Netmar []

It's $10 a month for 100 megs, no bandwidth limits (within reason). No porn allowed, but other than that, they aren't trying to censor you.

Other than that, I'd recommend co-loc or a T1. The only real way to get totally free from any restrictions is to get a real T1 from a first tier provider.

No, I don't work for Netmar

Re:Netmar (1)

evilmonkey_666 (515504) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422134)

I bet netmar would censor you hosted copyrighted material...

Re:Netmar (2, Insightful)

pclinger (114364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422142)

"It's $10 a month for 100 megs, no bandwidth limits (within reason)"

So therefore there is a limit. I highly recommend staying away from any company that says "unlimited bandwidth" -- because its BS. You will get charged for the bandwidth, or kicked out of their service. Anyone who has delt with a lot of hosting companies will know this is true.

Re:Netmar (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422145)

Netmar expressly forbids anyone from using Netmar systems for the propogation, distribution, housing, processing, storing, or otherwise handling in any way lewd, obscene, or pornographic material, or any other material which we deem to be objectionable, including, but not limited to, pornography, satanic materials, any and all materials of an adult nature, defamatory materials, slanderous or libelous materials, and any copyrighted materials for which specific reprint permission has not been obtained directly from the copyright holder(s). The designation of any materials as such described above is left entirely to the discretion of the Netmar management.

ViaVerio (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422067)

Well, the lowest level verio server doesn't come with a bandwidth cap. Their rules are common sense ones... no pr0n, no warez, etc.

The problem is they limit you to 100 mb storage. Methinks this is how they cap your bandwidth.

your options (3, Informative)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422072)

i would say colocation or dedicated servers. you get root access for both. I have a couple servers from rackshack [] they have pretty good prices and a bunch of diferent configurations. you still get a bandwidth limit (300+GB i think) your only other option is getting youself a leased line ad running it from your location, but then you will still probably run into bandwidth limits (AVOID BURSTABLE DEALS!!!!) The last option, colocation, is similar to the dedicated server route, but instead of using one of thier servers, you build your own, and have it located in a rack at thier datacenter. it's a little more expensive than dedicated servers are, but not much. you can usually rent rackspace by the U, and the prices aren't too bad.

There is no getting around bandwidth costs/limits (5, Insightful)

CJayC (74131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422073)

It sounds like you're looking for a great new car, regardless of price, that has no or fixed fuel costs no matter how much you drive it. You're not going to find one. You can't have a web site without some kind of bandwidth limitation, be it physical or financial.

Bandwidth is the primary cost of every web host on the Internet. The backbone providers allow a specific amount of bandwidth for a specific price, and resellers carve up that bandwidth for sale to you (or to other resellers) at smaller prices for smaller amounts of data transfer.

As you might imagine, it's usually a good idea to avoid any provider who promises "Unlimited Bandwidth". They're lying. Anyone who says that really means, "Unlimited Bandwidth, Unless You Use More Than We Think You Should".

Re:There is no getting around bandwidth costs/limi (3, Insightful)

Arandir (19206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422149)

As you might imagine, it's usually a good idea to avoid any provider who promises "Unlimited Bandwidth"

Unlimited bandwidth, but everyone else on the service trying to get the same unlimited bandwidth acts as a pretty effective throttle.

And, along the lines of content restrictions... (2, Informative)

CJayC (74131) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422157)

No provider of services is going to take on any customer they see as a potential liability. This is why almost any provider you see is going to have restrictions on use of their services, especially thanks to the DMCA.

The few providers that have a completely "hands off" approach to their customers tend to have customers who traditionally deal in spam, pr0n, copyright violations, or some combination thereof. Those are sites you likely wouldn't want to be associated with, and those kind of providers also tend to get blackholed and/or sued on occasion.

Co-location is also an option others have mentioned, but the same basic rules will likely apply (no spam/pr0n/warez, pay by the byte) with any solid provider. It's also not for the beginner, and definitely not for anyone who's not incredibly serious about their site.

PHP Web Hosting (2)

MrP- (45616) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422074)

I like, they are $9.95 a month, "unlimited" bandwidth, 150mb, PHP, perl, shell access, pop3, subdomains, apache access_log access, etc, everything you'll need really. What I like about them is how they work with you, if you need more than 150mb, you just ask, and they give you more space, for free. The only down side is they only offer e-mail support, no phone support, they say this is why they are able to offer the services at a low cost, but so far I've never had a problem with the e-mail support.

Re:PHP Web Hosting (1)

Anarki (442670) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422159) has a 5gb/month transfer limit.

Re:PHP Web Hosting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422171)

odd, that wasn't there last time i read the faq.. i go over that limit every month though and have no problems

Re:PHP Web Hosting (1)

KapnShak (472020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422219)

Its not unlimited, its unmetered. This means you only get 5 Gig, but you can use as much per second as you want. When using my shell I've downloaded DivX movies at 2 MBPs. You get 125 MB, plus more if you give them a reason why you need it, and the bandwith limits aren't hard-coded. If you run over 5 gigs your site isn't shut off, the admin just sends you an email and decides whether or not to charge you for it.

Get to know someone (5, Funny)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422079)

Join a Linux User's Group. Get to know the people there who run ISP's. Pay for pizza and beer activities. You may find the friends you make have an affinity for creating community website opportunities.

Next thing you know, you have a box on a T3 line. Try to get the thing slashdotted. That's pretty much the goal in life as I've seen it.

Re:Get to know someone (1)

Aiku1337 (551438) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422205)

Next thing you know, you have a box on a T3 line. Try to get the thing slashdotted. That's pretty much the goal in life as I've seen it. Haha. Yeah, that IS the goal in life. I know I've tried to brainstorm ideas to make the next big email-this-site-around thing, a la "Hamster Dance", or "You kicked my dog". Of course, getting the thing Slashdotted is a higher class of such things. (1)

EricBoyd (532608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422085) [] is easily the cheapest full service bandwidth I've found. For $12/month, they give you everything you could want - shell access, *unlimited* bandwidth, mySQL, perl, python, php, sweet log analysis, email, mailing lists, etc. Since it's only one (small) bill a month, and you talk directly to their tech people for support, I'd say it's pretty autonomous... short of having you own box on the net, of course.

Websurfing done right! StumbleUpon [] (1)

EricBoyd (532608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422096)

woops, apparently it's *$10* a month now :-)

I love those guys!

No such thing (1)

Backov (138944) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422112)

.. As unlimited bandwidth. If any host says that to you, they are lying. Just see what happens when you actually stress that bandwidth out - it will either slow to a crawl and/or die, or the host will cut you off and/or slap additional fees on you.


"Unmetered" vs. unlimited (2)

Straker Skunk (16970) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422143)

Phpwebhosting offers "unmetered" bandwidth transfer. They have a few restrictions on what they'll tolerate (frowning on porn, warez, large file archives, etc.), but outside of that, they don't seem to mind bandwidth surges as long as they're not sustained.

(I'm not a customer of theirs, but may probably become one in the future; the above is my reading of their terms of service)

Re:No such thing (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422162)

Then you sue them on the ground of false advertising. (1)

KapnShak (472020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422214)

Its not unlimited, its unmetered. This means you only get 5 Gig, but you can use as much per second as you want. When using my shell I've downloaded DivX movies at 2 MBPs.

Cheap solution (1)

H0bb3z (17803) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422086)

For less than $60/mo (in my case), I have 640 DSL, a P90 Linux firewall, and a webserver in my DMZ. I get 8 (5) static IP addresses, priority packets, several e-mail addresses, no metering or content filtering. My ISP is purely Linux based and promotes this type of independence because its less for them to manage when I can manage it myself.


Re:Cheap solution (1)

pinqkandi (189618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422097)

what ISP are you using?

Re:Cheap solution (1)

rbruels (253523) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422098)

You have your own demilitarized zone? That's sweet.

Re:Cheap solution (2, Funny)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422133)

No, he's using a P90, so I wouldn't exactly call it demilitarized ;-)

Re:Cheap solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422160)

I truly hope you were being sarcastic. If yes, then fine. If not, then get yourself a 486, 3 NICs and OpenBSD. Setup pf and WOW! Your own DMZ!

Re:Cheap solution (1)

BravoXL (248870) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422153)

That's almost exactly what I'm doing, I too get 8 IP's. I use USinternet in minnesoata and they have provided cheap and very effective access.

DSL cable? (1)

meshko (413657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422087)

I mean this might sound stupid, but we are running a marginally popular web site on a DSL connection.
I don't know what kind of traffic you are talking about here, but I'm serving some 10-15Gb a month from my Earthlink DSL on a PII-300 running FreeBSD.
Can I take a slashdot effect with this setup? No. Will I ever be slashdotted? Not likely :)
So before answering the question of hosting, you have to (realistically) estimate what kind of traffic you are facing.

Re:DSL cable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422116)

Will I ever be slashdotted? Not likely :)

Hmmm... why dont you tell us the URL? :)

Re:DSL cable? (1)

meshko (413657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422132)

it's already here, you are just not looking hard enough :)

Re:DSL cable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422135)

Re:DSL cable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422158)

Awww man, still up. Well, I did my part and visited.

Re:DSL cable? (1)

meshko (413657) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422213)

I forgot some technical details:
most DSL won't give you static IP. I think will. But even if you don't have static IP, you can get a hostname associated with a dynamic ip from the great guys at
They can also host your domain name, I think, or you can get free domain name hosting and webhop redirection from

HavenCo? (4, Interesting)

jconley (28741) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422090)

Maybe our friends in Sealand can help you?

HavenCo []


Jesus was a Homosexual! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422093)

A man by the name of Moses H. McGee once told me a story. The horrible story revealed the truth, JESUS WAS A HOMOSEXUAL!

There he was, almost naked, walking through the streets all sweaty and hot. Men stood on the sides cheering homosexual cheers of joy. Jesus, carrying an oversized wooden penis over his shoulders raised the giant shlong and began to climb it. He was stroking it like no other person has ever stroked a giant 15 foot shlong before! He began to give the wooden phallic a blow job, but lost his footing and was impaled down the throat by the giant cock. Three days later, a man came over to the dead Jesus corpse, and began fellatio. After several minutes, Jesus awoke, and ejaculated. It was a miracle, Jesus was alive!

That fucking faggot!

You don't need Jesus to come into your life... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422123)

...You need Jesus to come into your mouth!

first post? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422094)


Netmar is the only way to go: (1)

Eros (6631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422100)

Check out I heard about them on Slashdot about 3 months ago when the latest Star Wars trailer came out. The owner created a mirror on his server and told everyone they could download, but asked that they consider throwing some business his way.

I have a client that needed a website and the price was right so I went for it. They have been a great company so far. The high points of what they offer are 1) Unlimited bandwidth. 2) They will install anything you want. Perl modules, Tomcat, PHP, etc. They already have Postgresql and Mysql on the systems. 3) Linux based. 4) $8/month -- I shit you not. 5) I haven't received a single piece of spam from them -- period.

A word of caution (2, Informative)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422104)

Before signing up with any ISP or host or whatever, make sure they're clean and not on any spam blacklists. Dejagoogle for the company name in|sightings).

Linux Motor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422105)

I love these guys sometimes my page loads a bit slow but I can deal with it for the price.
Unlimited Space
Unlimited Bandwidth
$50-200 / YEAR!

George W. Bush Indicted For Treason (Good !) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422106)

Courtesy of Bush Indicted For Treason []

Call it a Conspiracy? Yes, No, Still Vacillating 'Twixt the Two
April 27, 2002

By Scaramouche

I believe in human nature. Sometimes good, sometimes evil, that is the dichotomy we all face in trying to make sense of this crazy mixed up world. Neither black, nor white, the truth exists in the world of gray.
I read "None Dare Call it a Conspiracy" when I was about 14 years old, some 25 years ago (yes I'm 39 years old - a la Jack Benny). While I could have agreed on some of the book's assertions. It reminded me way too much of the James Bond books I was reading at the same time. If I recall right, that was also one of the arguments in the book. Ian Fleming had been an intelligence operative and he knew what he was talking about. But I couldn't see the Trilateral Commission as SPECTRE. Or identify who Blofield was, Kissinger maybe?
There once was a psychological experiment where they ask volunteers to decipher the pattern of a series of flashing lights. Yet there was no pattern. Upon exit interviews, once told that there was no pattern, those with the most complicated theories refused to believe the testers and were adamantly defending their theoretical constructs. After all how could they be wrong? The final treatise of the experiment pointed out that the more complicated, or convoluted, the explanations posited, the stronger the ties to emotional involvement in the testees belief. Emotional investment solidifies belief. This goes a long way in explaining the beliefs of conspiracy theorists, fundamentalist, and an X-File fans.
Regarding Bush's planning on overthrowing the Constitution and establishing a dictatorship on the pretext of 9/11, I find that flying in the face of human nature. Many who worked in WTC were of his party. If not Republicans, they were ideologically leaning towards his economic policies, and were likely his type of campaign contributors. The risk vs. reward of this kind plotting makes no sense. The man may be dumb as a cactus but he is shrewd. And who knows what would happen when the posse catches up, if it ever came to light.
Remember the movie Armageddon, and that other non-memorable meteor-will-destroy earth-film where they decide we can't let the public know because the panic will be destructive. Maybe there was no intelligence failure. Maybe they thought they could contain it. Oops, there was an intelligence failure but not on part of the intelligence community. That could explain why the White House doesn't want an investigation. Bush has a record of covering up past mistakes and hiding the evidence of such.
This might explain why we get constant terror alerts. They are terrified of screwing up again. We are constantly at yellow alert. Yes, they turned yella', what would happen if the truth gets out.
But then again, I read articles like this:
In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. Cities The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. Ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." ...
The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.
Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof ... that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]." ...
The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.
There were reports U.S. Military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election....
Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.
"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford
Read the entire article here.
Does this sound familiar? Is this a repeat of history or an aberration of Cold War history??
I read constantly from both sides of extremist's point of view. I adjudicate based on my understanding of human nature, read between the lines, as it were. This is how one deciphers the nature of man.
Hobbes said, "And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." If this is the state of nature, men have strong reasons to avoid it.
Yet Rousseau said differently, "This common liberty results from the nature of man. His first law is to provide for his own preservation, his first cares are those which he owes to himself; and, as soon as he reaches years of discretion, he is the sole judge of the proper means of preserving himself, and consequently becomes his own master."
So which argument carries more favor? "Humans are selfish and must be constrained" or, "Humans are innocent and can be strive for perfection." It's Pepsi vs. Coke. It's Capitalism vs. Communism. But I don't see the world in terms of black and white. Nor do I have an emotional attachment to either.
I see many shades of gray. And sometimes I dream in color.

Do you own a mac? (0, Redundant)

jcenters (570494) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422108)

If you own a macintosh, just sign up for iTools [] . You get 20mb free space with few restrictions.

Go overseas! (1)

handsomepete (561396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422111)

If you really were willing to spend the money, you could locate your own 'facility' in a country with lesser restrictions on content and maybe less of a strain on bandwidth (if such a thing exists). There are some interesting (read as bandwidth consuming rom site) examples of this in China and France and a few other countries that have minimal advertising and no subscription type service. The obvious disadvantages would be not having hands on access to it without moving there (and probably some amount of data security depending on who's watching it for you), but certainly a high level of autonomy could be achieved.

Got a good ISP for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422113), based in New York City, was started by 2600-affiliated hackers in the early nineties. I've been using them since 1994, and I've really "pushed it" as far as content on my site, activities of users on my own server, and bandwidth use. They even weren't too pissed when I snuck into the owner's ~directory. Despite that, their security is excellent, they are cheap, they have a shitload of bandwidth and they dont have limits, and they don't care what you do.

One time, this guy used my server to break into a govt website. The owner of called me telling me the FBI wanted my info and threatened him with a court order, but he didn't give it to them. He just told me to knock it off.

Very cool guys, and they are professional, not just a bunch of 2600 hacker chumps.

Whether you're in NYC or not, they can take care of you: 1-800-985-HOST

Re:Got a good ISP for you (2)

telstar (236404) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422216)

They even weren't too pissed when I snuck into the owner's ~directory.
  • Yeah ... that's what I want. A hosting facility that doesn't care if people mess with the system. Sounds secure.

Server on Cable Modem (1, Offtopic)

XBL (305578) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422115)

I used to run a web server on my static IP @Home connection, until they went under. Now it's DHCP so no DNS possible.

No more warez! :-( J/K

Re:Server on Cable Modem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422139)

Dynamic DNS service...

Co-lo (2, Informative)

punker (320575) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422117)

I work at a hosting company, and there are a couple ways to do this. Some hosting companies will offer a shared hosting environment for between $50-100 a month + bandwidth. Otherwise you can co-lo a server, which usually runs between $300-500 + bandwidth a month. In those situations, they will usually provide the routers, IPs, pipes to the telco's, etc and just expect you to provide your server. Your costs may very based on things like server size (1u, 2u, 4u), power connections (if you have hot-swap power supplies), etc.
For bandwidth, industry rates seem to go $3-5 GB for bandwidth if you're working on a usage type basis (some sort of shared connection), as opposed to a dedicated bandwidth type basis. If you're looking at the dedicated bandwidth type (drop with some guaranteed MB/s) the costs move in much bigger blocks, but usually cost you less if you use that much.

What I do... (5, Informative)

pclinger (114364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422130)

I know you want to have full control over your server, but that really isn't going to happen unless you buy your bandwidth straight from places like Qwest, Level3, etc and have your own high speed lines running to your house/work, the whole deal. It really isn't worth the amount of effort that it would take to setup something like that. You might as well start your own hosting company for all the work involved.

Currently I have 16 servers to handle my Web sites (eg and some others). I use for all my servers. They charge basically a hundred bucks a month (plus tax) per server, and you get 400GB of monthly transfer (25 cents a gig, pretty damn good!). I'm fairly happy with their service (hell I pay them $1700 a month, I better be happy).

Content wise, they basically have fairly lax restrictions. No cracking sites, no illegal stuff, etc. They don't have rules against pr0n sites. What exactly are you looking to put up on the Web?

If you do colocation, you will be paying upwards of $1 - $1.50 a gig on your bandwidth. I swear I've looked at a hundred companies for servers (I always want to save some money with the amount of servers I have), and I haven't found one that beats RackShack. The price, the support, everything is right. I highly recommend them.

Second RackShack.Net (2, Informative)

rhedin (91503) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422176)

I'd been hosting some servers for several years with Dialtone, but just shifted over to Rackshack [] . Got 2.5 times the server and more bandwidth for half the cost.

This morning they were offering a 1Ghz box with 512mb ram 40gb disk & 400gb b/w for $100/month and $1 setup. It's hard to beat.

So far the service has been fast and excellent.


The answer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422138)

The answer []

Abdullah Meets Bush @# +1 ; Useless #@ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422180)

Courtesy of The WhiteHouse []

Press Briefing by the President

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Thank you for joining me here in Crawford. As you know, I spent a good portion of yesterday in the company of Saudi Arabiac Crown Prince Abdullah. And while he departed hastily to return to his beloved sand people, I am pleased to claim that our meetings were very productive and friendly. I gave him the nickname of Prince Picnic Basket, on account of how that tablecloth he wears on his head looks like the one my mother used to spread out for fried chicken picnics under the oil wells back in Midland - and he called me Captain Zionist Pigboy. It was all very positive.

Laura and I were honored that the Prince came to our humble Texas home. Over the years, the Saudi royal family has played gracious host to the Bush family on dozens and dozens of occasions while we negotiated private and fabulously lucrative oil deals, so it really was a pleasure to finally return the hospitality. Of course, I was sad to be unable to entertain the Prince with the wonderful after-dinner beheadings I know he and King Fahd enjoy so much, but I did assure him that on his next visit, we would go down to the prison and electrocute a mongoloid or two. He seemed to like that.

The Prince and I spoke at length about the ongoing situation between the Israeloids and the Palestinos, and I have to tell you, he seemed pretty worked up over it. Why all these Muslimian people continue to squabble over that little swatch of desert with no oil under it I will never know. But the Prince was adamant - he says that unless my administration stops playing footsy with Ariel Sharon - that all the kindergartners in his country will stop being taught to wave sticks of dynamite and screech "Death to America," and start being taught to wave sticks of dynamite and screech "Super-Death to America!" I didn't like the sound of that. Not one bit.

Of course, my administration remains firmly committed to preserving the appearance of friendliness with the Saudi Arabiac royals. Never mind that they nurture and support the very terrorists I have pledged to destroy. They also keep the tank of my beloved 3-ton ivory white pickup perpetually topped off, and for that I honor them. I also honor their millions of explosively volatile subjects, whose talents are limited exclusively to extracting oil from beneath the arid, scorched wasteland that is their entire nation. And I sincerely feign respect for their religion, and hope that its peaceful adherents will prevail on that inevitable day when the Saudi oil deposits are tapped out, and a panicked and newly impoverished populace wastes no time in ritualistically disemboweling the entire royal family. So let's hope Prince Picnic Basket can hang on for awhile, OK? (Laughter.)

In closing, I have a message for you folks in the press corps. Now I know you're here doing a job, but I want you to remember that not only is this private property, this is my home - and while I know that the single Port-o-Potty behind the chopper hangar isn't enough for all of you, I'm afraid that all this sneaking behind the ranch to do your squirtin' is going to have to stop - especially with my mother-in-law Jenna Welch visiting. She's tired of looking out her window and seeing Wolf Blitzer's nubbin spritzing his morning coffee all over Laura's champion yellow roses. Do I make myself clear? Good.
Thank you, and God Bless.

Re:Abdullah Meets Bush @# +1 ; Useless #@ (-1)

Fuck You Faggot (560952) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422215)


DSL is how (1)

joost (87285) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422147)

I host four websites on my Solaris box, connected via ADSL. Works like a charm, you only get 128kbit upstream but it doesn't seem to matter, HTTP is fast enough. I can even SSH to my box without any problems.

Monthly fee is nothing compared to colocation or a T1 line. My provider allows servers on the DSL line, pick one that does too. I run everything from DNS to SSH, a friend of mine is secondary MX, just in case.

Every now and then the DSL router (the dreaded Alcatel Speedtouch) somehow forgets the static NAT routes and they have to be reloaded (takes two seconds). For that reason I have purchased a Watchdog service, which barks once every month or so.

The Solaris box has ipfw and connects my home network.

500 meg, php, asp, coldfusion -- $10/month (2, Informative)

lo_fye (303245) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422165)

I have an account with for all my personal and lower traffic stuff... it's $99/year... they don't do mysql, but they do give you unlimited odbc, and for an extra $25/year you can get 1 mssql database... 500 meg of space php, asp, coldfusion 4.5 livestats unlimited transfers unlimited pop3 email unlimited email aliases web-based email they pay for your domain name... and for the yearly renewal of it you can't beat it for the price.

Warning! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422166)

I look at linux exploiits reveal over three times as many known exploits than windows? []

Because the source code is avalible, hackers can easily find security holes and exploit them!

Be secure! Upgrade to windows XP! Even Red hat software agrees that you should!

Anything... (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422172)

How much autonomy can a regular person get on the Internet?

You can get pretty much any autonomy you need, but you might have to go to multiple places to get it. If you're not breaking laws, serving porn, sending spam, or hosting sites which are referenced in spam, then you can go just about anywhere. If you want to serve porn, send spam, or host sites which are referenced in spam, then you're going to have a much harder time finding a location, but it is possible. If you want to break the law, well, you already said you don't...

As for bandwidth, you pretty much have three choices: cap your maximum bandwidth, cap your monthly transfer, or be willing to pay additional fees.

Freenet. (3, Insightful)

alphaseven (540122) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422173)

Want no bandwidth limit, no fees, no hassles on "community standards"? Just upload your page to Freenet [] . And it's anonymous so you won't even have to answer to the law. Sure it's a painfully slow to access most pages, but what do you want for free?

Bandwidth isn't free (3, Informative)

twenex (139462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422177)

You need to pay for the bandwidth one way or another. There are three basic ways:
1. Buy a circuit and pay for the bandwidth yourself (DSL, T1, etc).
2. Rent part of a circuit and (possibly) computer, and pay someone else to host. Most services cap bandwidth or charge directly for bandwidth. You can either go hosted or colocation (their computer or yours).
3. Go on a hosted service that is advertising supported. Everyone I'm aware of caps bandwidth.

The decision should be based on how much you have to spend and how much bandwidth you really need.

As you can see from the above options, there's no free ride - bandwidth costs *someone* and usually those costs are passed down to you.

Of course, I shouldn't preach.... I share a T1 speed SDSL with folks in my building and only pay $20/month ;-)

Colocation (4, Insightful)

MalusCaelestis (172079) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422185)

Though mentioned several times before, I feel that no one mentioned the most important aspect of colocation: redundant connections. T1/T3 lines probably won't fail, but there's still the chance, and if they do, you're screwed for however long it takes the phone company to fix the problem (and if you've ever tried to get a Baby Bell to fix something, you'll know why this will be a problem).

A redundant connection will keep your site up and running even if the primary connection fails. Ideally, the redundant connection should be able to handle 50% of peak capacity and should be leased from a different provider than the primary line (so that an entire company outage won't shut down both lines).

Now, you CAN get redundant lines into your house, but it won't be cheap and you'll end up paying for a redundant connection that you may never use. Colocators already have redundant connections set up, which means you won't have to worry about any of this. You may have to pay a dollar amount per Gibibyte of throughput over a certain amount, but this is unavoidable when using anyone else as a host. Just be sure to agree on a deal that will provide you enough base bandwidth so that you won't wind up paying thousands of dollars in excess bandwidth fees.

With the right colocator and the right agreement, you'll end up getting the right amount of allotted bandwidth and you won't have to bother yourself with all the things that make hosting your site from home troublesome.

borrow your employer's bandwidth (2, Interesting)

stinkfoot (21610) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422197)

if you work in any kind of hi-tech field, chances are there's a nice fat pipe available to you somewhere...

build a little server, buy the network administrator eight or nine beers, stick your machine in the server room, and go to down. (the beer trick works especially well if you happen to BE the network administrator.)

i haven't paid for server bandwidth in probably seven or eight years (i.e., "ever"); the downside is that you may have to move it around a lot, as you might change jobs, your company might fold, that sort of thing.

DSL works nicely for low-impact serving, too.

The solution (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422203)

Just steal a few servers from your local government's traffic light control center and set up shop. Of course, your vistors may be annoyed by the cycling go, caution, stop, go, caution, stop bandwidth.

Indy Web Sites (1)

pavera (320634) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422206)

I have a web server connected through 1mbps sync DSL. the DSL costs me $80/mo. the ISP is $26/mo. and that includes 8 static IPs. I run DNS on my 2 computers so I have that covered, so for $100/mo. I have basically full control over anything I want to put on the web. The initial setup was very cheap (router came with my DSL, cisco 678) and I just use standard desktop machines running linux as servers, I've got a UPS that gives me 30 minutes of power outage coverage. I have very little downtime, basically if the power goes out for more than 30 minutes is the only time I reboot the web server.

Colocate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422207)

What does colocate mean?I've seen the word in a lot of posts here but I don't know what it is.

DSL and your own hardware (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3422223)

Just host it yourself off of a local DSL line.

I've been hosting myself and a few other sites off of my old P200MMX (debian) on a 640/256 line for a few years at less than $50/month. I could go as high as 7Mb/1Mb for $250/mo, but I really don't need that.

Speedwise, it's great. Things start slowing down only when the server gets overloaded (hey, it's a 200...) and I've yet to have any serious problems with bandwidth. The dsl modem dies rarely, and takes five seconds to reset.

Don't believe me? (shameless plug) runs plenty fast!

Colo with Us (3, Informative)

lw54 (73409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3422226)

We colo for $87 per 1 Mbps [] (316 GB data transfer).

From 1 Mb to 1000 Mb, if you find a lower price, we'll beat it by 5%. It's that simple.

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