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Dreamcast Reading An IDE Hard Drive

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the this-isn't-a-cd-dave dept.

Hardware 178

evilpaul13 writes: "Somebody got an IDE Harddrive hooked up to his Dreamcast! He plans to build a new case for it as a later project. Maybe this will encourage new Linux for Dreamcast work with the greater possibilities it presents for a small SH6 based web server?" This is still a work in progress -- but it's encouraging, especially given the current price of Dreamcast consoles.

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haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422781)

See, the Dreamcast is NOT dead. Nobody can stop the Dreamcast - nobody!

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Dear Professor Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422871)

Dear Professor Linux,

How can I steep from boiling myself with windignation every time I smear wee Frenchers referred to as "cheese-eating surrender moonkeys"?

Jean-Marie LePen *mold* us we shouldn't be our usual slug French selves when we laughed about the Borida recount!

Sacre blew!

Sinceerely,
Francois P.

Top Sandwiches (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422931)

Five knuckles of TRUTH right hea in yo' face WHAM!

Here for your ED-ification and EAT-itication are the top sandwiches!

1. PBJ: the bestest ever, now and forever

2. Bacon and Avocado: on wheat bread with sprouts! Melts in yo mouth!

3. Provolone and Swiss: gotta be real swiss, 'cause then you can't miss!

Gayest sandwich: egg salad. I'm sorry to say, egg salad is VERY gay.

This is neither... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422788)

...doodie nor boogers.

Things To Do Today (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422986)

1. Attend Lisa Lopes memorial dance party

2. Break down sobbing uncontrollably while shakin' it to "No Scrubs"

Dreamcast Porn. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422789)

...they just can't wait, now can they?

oh yeah, first post!

Ralph JewHater Nader stinks
Klerck is the man at goatse.cx
Trollificus rocks

NAT server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422791)

Cool, I've been looking for a low power device to use as a NAT server on my home lan... if this matures, this will be just what I'm looking for

Re:NAT server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422834)

um.. whats wrong with a nat router?

Re:NAT server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423137)

Nothing, just this would be "cooler" ;-)

Re:NAT server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422878)

Mod parent up! He oughta be elected president of NASA or sumpin'!

Re:NAT server (2)

Junta (36770) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422929)

Of course, you can only have one interface connected at a time, BBA or Modem.... No HD needed for a NAT box (you would shoot the low power req right there). Get a cheap cable/dsl "router". This interface may even take up the BBA slot, so no network with this. To make Dreamcast a Good NAT box, you would need an adapter with two Ethernet ports and a bit of nvram (if you want to have any sort of persistant, yet flexible rules..)

btw... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422792)

Here's the text of the website, since it may get Slashdotted pretty soon:

Some new hardware pics

Posted by Dan on 2002-04-27 01:33:41

I haven't quite finished my new ISA/IDE interface for the DC, but I have verified rudimentary communications between the DC and an IDE hard disk today, so I figured I'd post some pics. =D Sorry for the crappy webcam pic quality.

#1 #2 #3

(note stylish blue LED ;-)

I call this a "bridge" rather than a "bus" because that seems a bit more accurate to me -- it just hooks two existing buses (ISA and DC EXT) together.

This is actually built up from the diagram of Kiyoshi IKEHARA, with some modifications of my own. Specifically I had to resolve the 6-way NAND gate, and I got sick of looking for an ISA IDE controller, so I wired up my own directly into the board. This isn't as bad as it sounds because IDE is basically designed to plug directly into ISA anyway.

This is the beginning of my "DC Navi" project, which I'll keep people posted on, in case anyone is interested. I'm eventually planning to outfit a Dreamcast motherboard with a flash BIOS, reset switch, and IDE/ISA interface, and put it into a new case. This will also involve writing a new BIOS for it, which will be based mostly on KOS.

Yeah, I know, I'm crazy, but it's fun ^_-

Small update: I've confirmed it 100% now. I've got a small KOS program that reads this data from the HD info block (IDE cmd 0xec):

Drive is a 'WDC AB1210F', C/H/S=988/12/34 (196MB), buffer size 0MB

Matches the disk exactly. Whoo hoo! On to driver and file system goodness =)

Good ol fashioned hardware hacking

Posted by Dan on 2002-04-21 20:52:17

Just got my first real DC hardware hack installed on my "sacrificial lamb" DC. }-D This one is pretty simple though, just mainly warming up. I installed a reset switch in the side of the case. Very handy if you do any amount of DC dev and have to reset your DC once in a while. Thanks to Bitmaster for the diagram on where to solder things! It's a little ghetto looking right now but I'm not really planning to keep that case forever.

Now I just have to get ahold of some flash memory and a few other odds and ends and I'll start on my more ambitious project of replacing the BIOS with a flash chip.

KOS 1.1.7 posted

Posted by Dan on 2002-04-20 16:27:51

Well, after ~3 long months of development time, KOS 1.1.7 is posted on the SourceForge download page:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?gro up _id=23791

You can find the release notes and changelog here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?rel ea se_id=85710

If you've worked with KOS in the past (and haven't been following CVS) then please look through the release notes. Quite a bit has changed since 1.1.6.

Some of the highlights of this release:

Rewritten 3D API ("ta" has been replaced by "pvr") which allows one to use some or all of the lists in various configurations, fog, paletted textures, etc; also includes "direct render" macros which allow you to inline your 3D pritimive creation and TA submission for super speed (I've seen up to 2.4M triangles/sec with this method)
Rewritten maple system, with interrupt driven I/O and hotswap
Unified network API for both types of ethernet, and working lwIP port
Much more GL compliant KGL library, and a KGL manual
Lots of updates in various 'addon' libs, and a ton of new ones
A lot more examples
And of course, most importantly, includes a port of Hunt the Wumpus and Adventure from the BSD games tree.

E3 Tickets?

Posted by Dan on 2002-04-10 17:45:30

This is pretty unorthodox and I'll probably get in trouble for it, but what the heck. =)

Seems that our supplier for E3 tickets can't get any extras this year. I figured I'd post here and see if anyone had some extras they'd be willing to donate. I'm looking for the "retailer" type like you get for owning a game store (read: requires no admission fee, for the main show only, get to stand in line for 2 hours upon arrival -- that type). I'm looking for 8, but beggars can't be choosers, so if someone has some they'd like to donate, please let me know!

Technically CA could probably get official for-pay tickets at this point, but we can't afford those right now, so it's free ones or bust =)

Updated FoF shots, KOS status

Posted by Dan on 2002-03-30 22:51:35

First off, I have an updated screen shot for in-game play of FoF, just so you all know I'm not sitting back livin' it up instead of working on the game ;-). All the graphics you see there are pretty much finalized graphics that will go into the game itself. This also shows off the new scoring system, with step ratings and health/combo meters. Finally, you actually see two player mode there, each player with a different difficulty of Rhythm and Police from DDR. Unfortunately I'm playing by myself here, and the controller input goes to both, so I'm not doing so well on Maniac mode! =D

On the KOS front, things are slowly moving along towards a 1.1.7 release. It's taking a lot longer than I originally expected, because I want to make sure that it's good and solid after so many core systems being replaced and tweaked. It's looking REALLY nice though. I think everyone will agree it's worth the wait and the small amount of porting that will be required to take advantage of the new features, including a fully async, interrupt driven maple system with enumeration capabilities, nice PVR API to replace TA, newly ported lwIP with support for both BBA and Lan Adapter, etc.

Some FoF screenshots

Posted by Dan on 2002-03-18 21:38:36

Still working on getting all the art and such together, but here are some "in progress" screen shots showing the main menu and in-game play. The steps you see on the second screen shot are for Lupin '78 from DDR 4thMix Plus. Of course this song will not be in the final game, just using it to test out the sync'ing of the arrows =)

Update Mar 19: Sorry, my bad for misunderstanding the intentions of the article there on Boob (update last night). =) Late -> Brain Tired -> You Know. ^_^

Feet of Fury

Posted by Dan on 2002-03-14 23:20:00

On behalf of the other members of Cryptic Allusion, I'd like to announce our current game project! The game we're working on is called Feet of Fury, and will be somewhat DDR-like, with more of an emphasis on player-vs-player interaction like the current puzzle fighting games. We are currently on track to have a decent pre-release ready for E3 this year, which will most likely include the development tools and source code once again. Over the next few weeks, we'll be getting a web site ready for the game and dribbling out some screen shots and other fun "multimedia" pieces. =) Stay tuned!

Site Redesign

Posted by Dan on 2002-02-25 23:12:40

Finally got around to giving the main page a makeover. The front page isn't actually using PHPSlash anymore, I'm just using it to handle the back-end story creation. Eventually I'll also replace this part since there's a lot more (and a lot nastier) there than I really need for this site. Feedback welcome!

Also if you haven't been following, we've got the new maple system in place in KOS, along with some KGL upgrades.

Big KOS changes last night

Posted by Dan on 2002-02-09 11:12:04

Last night I made some fairly substantial changes to the KOS tree, so if you are following CVS, please do an update to your whole tree and a make clean / make from the root of the tree. This will make sure everything gets rebuilt appropriately.

Libc has been split out into its own library now, so if you have "-lkallisti -lgcc" at the end of your link line, it needs to have a "-lc" added before "-lgcc". Or you can replace all three with $(KOS_LIBS) if you use the Makefile.rules from KOS.

I also have switched KOS' default 3D API to the PVR API. If you were loose in your usage of the old TA API (manually allocating textures, etc) then you'll have to correct these problems before your program will work with the emulated API, but almost all of the examples are working now, as is KGL.

I again urge anyone who's following KOS CVS (or using the release versions, even) to join the mailing list so you know when big changes are coming up.

Come Join the Fun

Posted by Dan on 2002-02-07 22:58:57

Not a whole lot has been posted to here lately... because all the fun is happening over on the SF KOS list! If you are at all interested in up-to-the-minute updates on what's going on, then hit the SourceForge link in the top navbar and join the cadcdev-kallistios list. There's also a CVS commit list showing what got committed when.

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WINDOWS USERS CLICK HERE! [paware.com]

FUCK YOU (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422796)

this topic eats my ass you little faggot monkeys

Sorry still wonder why. (1, Troll)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422799)

Given the relative slowness of the dreamcast, even at less than a $100 buck it still can't compete with a PC. You can easily put together a Duron sytem for around the same cost and have a far more useful Linux box. Being able to run binaries and not recomiling to run on the dreamcast will save a boatload of time in the long run too.

Re:Sorry still wonder why. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422824)

No way man -- check this out [slashdot.org]. hehe

Re:Sorry still wonder why. (5, Insightful)

magicslax (532351) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422830)

Given the relative slowness of the dreamcast, even at less than a $100 buck it still can't compete with a PC. You can easily put together a Duron sytem for around the same cost and have a far more useful Linux box. Being able to run binaries and not recomiling to run on the dreamcast will save a boatload of time in the long run too.

You missed the point. This isn't about "useful," "practial." or "cheap." This is Good ol fashioned hardware hacking. (see look, it even says it on the site. neeener.) It has much less to do with how usable it is as it does with its coolness factor.

Re:Sorry still wonder why. (1)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422894)

True, point taken. There is always the "hey lookit what I can do" factor. But I would still like to see hardware hacking of stuff I could use. How about someone hack a laptop harddrive on to the back of a IPAQ or that new sharp thingy. I would definately give up some thiness for a few gigs.

Re:Sorry still wonder why. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423060)

A dreamcast can be had for like $30 or less on eBay. The CPU isn't that slow (200Mhz), and it is a 128-bit RISC processor. You can't get a PC that good for the same cost.

Re:Sorry still wonder why. (-1)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423254)

It's a 32-bit RISC processor with an onboard 128-bit vector processor you fucking gobshite. Even I know this, and I'm a bitter old man!

Re:Sorry still wonder why. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423263)

It makes a lot more sense than a goofy $600 PS2/linux system.

cluster (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422800)


imanage a beowolf cluster of these!

Re:cluster (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422829)

just had to say that, didnt you, heh

Re:cluster (0)

SiskellAndEbert (576493) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422957)

Siskell: When will trolls learn? I mean HOW many times have we seen this troll Roger? Thumbs down. Ebert: baaaaaaaaaaaaah! baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Dreamcast is Cheap, but not easy to find anymore (5, Interesting)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422802)

A friend of mine was / is looking to purchase a Dreamcast, but none of the large retailers carry them any more. Unless you can get one off of E-Bay or a Pawn Shop, you will probably have great difficulty finding any these days.

END COMMUNICATION

Re:Dreamcast is Cheap, but not easy to find anymor (3, Insightful)

DarkEdgeX (212110) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422811)

Agreed, they're no where to be found on places such as Amazon.com or EBworld.com (or Gamestop.com), which are the big three retailers AFAIK. Smaller online specialty shops may still have them, but I imagine they're asking more than retail given the shortages these days.

Re:Dreamcast is Cheap, but not easy to find anymor (2, Interesting)

saveth (416302) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422881)

There's a store just up the road called GameStop. It's a part of Barnes and Noble, so I assume you can find GameStops pretty much anywhere you can find a Barnes and Noble. Anyway, they sell used consoles, including Dreamcasts. I bought my N64 there about a year ago for only about $50, and it's worked wonderfully since then. Good quality, low prices. Check them out.

Re:Dreamcast is Cheap, but not easy to find anymor (5, Informative)

sparcv9 (253182) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422959)

Hit up a Babbage's or FunCoLand (same parent company). Babbage's sells mostly new stuff, but has some used/refurbed DC stuff, and FunCoLand is primarily a used game/console store. The one near me has about a half-dozen used DCs for sale. I even got a DC keyboard at FunCoLand for $10, new in the box. The Electronics Boutiques around here seem to be dropping the DC merchandise and just selling off the remainder, though, and the local Wal*Marts have stopped carrying it completely.

CHOCOLATE ECLAIRS - COWBOYNEAL STYLE (0)

SiskellAndEbert (576493) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422978)

CowboyNeals Chocolate Eclair

Ingredients

2 (3.4 ounce) packages instant vanilla pudding mix
1 cup confectioners' sugar
3 cups milk
1 (8 ounce) container frozen whipped topping, thawed
1 (16 ounce) package graham crackers
1 (16 ounce) container chocolate frosting

Directions
In a large bowl, combine pudding mix and confectioners' sugar. Whisk in milk until mixture is smooth, then gradually fold in whipped topping.
Place a layer of graham crackers in the bottom of a 9x13 inch pan. Spread 1/3 of pudding mixture over crackers. Cover pudding with another layer of graham crackers. Continue layering until pudding mixture is gone. Cover last pudding layer with another layer of graham crackers.
Remove lid and seal from frosting and microwave at 20 second intervals, stirring between intervals, unil frosting is pourable (about 1 minute). Spread frosting evenly over top layer of graham crackers. Refrigerate 24 hours before serving.

ARE YOU TRYING TO START A TURF WAR?? (-1)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422997)

CHICKEN AND BROCCOLI ALFREDO

4 to 5 cups broccoli florets (from about 1 large bunch)


2 tablespoons olive oil
4 skinless boneless chicken breast halves, cut crosswise into 1/2-inch-wide strips
1 large red bell pepper, thinly sliced
1 2/3 cups whipping cream
1 1/2 cups grated Parmesan cheese
1/2 cup grated Monterey Jack cheese
3/4 pound penne or mostaccioli, freshly cooked

Steam broccoli florets until just tender, about 3 minutes; set aside.

Preheat broiler. Butter 13x9x2-inch broilerproof baking dish. Heat 2 tablespoons olive oil in heavy large Dutch oven over medium-high. Working in batches, sauté chicken strips until just cooked through, about 4 minutes. Transfer chicken strips to bowl. Add sliced red bell pepper to Dutch oven and sauté until just tender, about 5 minutes. Add whipping cream, 1 cup grated Parmesan cheese and all of Monterey Jack cheese. Simmer until sauce thickens slightly, about 5 minutes. Add chicken strips and any juices in bowl to sauce. Add freshly cooked pasta and steamed broccoli florets and toss until sauce coats mixture, about 3 minutes. Season to taste with salt and pepper. Transfer pasta mixture to prepared baking dish. Sprinkle remaining 1/2 cup grated cheese over. Broil until just golden on top, about 3 minutes, and serve.

Serves 4.

Re:ARE YOU TRYING TO START A TURF WAR?? (0)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423128)

God damn, that sounds good. Do you have the culinary skills to prepare that meal? Invite me over to your place some day.

Oh and here, have a song.

New Order - 1963

It was January, 1963
When Johnny came home with a gift for me
He said I bought it for you because I love you
And I bought it for you because it's your birthday, too
He was so very nice, he was so very kind
To think of me at this point in time
I used to think of him, he used think of me
He told me to close my eyes
My gift would be a great surprise
I saw tears were in his eyes
He never meant to hurt me
Oh, God, Johnny, don't point that gun at me
There's so many ways our lives have changed
But please, I beg, don't do this to me
Johnny, don't point that gun at me
Can I save my life at any price?
For God's sake won't you listen to me?

And though he was ashamed that he had took a life
Johnny came home with another wife
And he often remembered how it used to be
Before that special occasion, 1963
There was too many ways that you could kill someone
Like in a love affair, when the love is gone
He told me to close my eyes
My gift would be a great surprise
I saw hatred in his eyes
He never meant to hurt me
Oh, God, Johnny, don't point that gun at me
There's so many ways our lives have changed
But please, I beg, don't do this to me
Johnny, you keep on using me
Can I change my life for any price?
Oh, Johnny, won't you listen to me?

He told me to close my eyes
My gift would be a great surprise
I saw hatred in his eyes
But he never meant to hurt me
Oh, God, Johnny, don't point that gun at me
There's so many ways our lives have changed
But please, I beg, don't do this to me
Johnny, you keep on using me
Can I change my life for any price?
Oh, Johnny, won't you listen to me?

I just want you to be mine,
I don't want this world to shine
I don't want this bridge to burn
Oh, Johnny, do you miss me?
I just want to feel for you
I will always feel for you...

Re:Dreamcast is Cheap, but not easy to find anymor (1)

draziw (7737) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423094)

You can pick one up with very little effort from Gamestop.com ( http://www.gamestop.com/ [gamestop.com]) They have several deals on used systems with 1 or more games starting around $69. As you mention - ebay works well too. If you're gonna hack it anyway, why buy new?

I don't know about you guys... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422806)

But I think it would be really cool and really cheap to buy a bunch of dreamcasts and create a beowulf cluster out of them! Hehe... it's thinking.

_
Windows Users CLICK HERE! [paware.com]

Play from hard drive? (2, Interesting)

gss (86275) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422807)

I'm not as interested in running linux from a dreamcast but this would be rather handy if you could play games from the hard drive. I'd probably play with my dreamcast more often if the damn games loaded quicker.

what happened to linuxx on the xbox??? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422808)

i heard something about someone putting linux on an xbox and running it on that. where can i find information?

Re:what happened to linuxx on the xbox??? (1)

galaga79 (307346) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423002)

i heard something about someone putting linux on an xbox and running it on that. where can i find information?

I believe you are referring to www.xbox-linux.org [xbox-linux.org]. Looking at the website it looks like are making progress slowly though I don't think it will be easier than porting to the Dreamcast despite the x86 architecture. I believe part of the reason the Dreamcast port was successful was due to hardware documentation, namely the leaked SDK document.

With the X-Box it aint so easy because anyone who applies for the dev-kit has to sign a NDA. So the only way Linux on the X-Box is going to happen is to reverse engineer the system, just like the aforementioned group are doing. Microsoft are no doubt quite determined to stop unauthorised development for the X-Box.

A success? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423189)

Dreamcast Linux distro isn't a success yet from what we've used (on the DC we bought specifically). It's certainly got potential. Just a shame about the broadband adapter drought.

Re:what happened to linuxx on the xbox??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423138)

I don't know either. Linux zealots were claiming that because the Xbox was a PC, Linux could be loaded onto it easily. Looks like they were wrong.

xbox as a compute farm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423232)

An interesting idea for the xbot would be to make a compiler for the gpu on the thing.

This would be much more effective on the xbox as you can read from the gpu *a lot* faster than on a pc, as they share memory.

Don't think it would be too hard. Want to do 640*480 additions thousands of times a second (~300,720,000 ops)? Get two textures and blend them. I'm sure something similar could be done with the vertex processors, and the sound processing unit.

The controllers are very low latency. Which could be used for message passing in a cluster situation.

The xbox at its price is a bargain for someone with a lot of cash to hack it, and make a useable platform out of it.

Set up a shelf company with some fake game developers, join the xbox incubator program to obtain enough of the specs. Make a bunch of other seperate companies, hiring hardware/linux/compiler hackers. Stir for six months, and you should have it.

Buy 30,000 xbox's. Then you have one of the worlds fastest clusters for a song.
500 * 30,000 == $15,000,000 including transport. Note: that xbox's are 200 USD in australia.

240 terabytes of disk
1.8 terabytes of memory

Why run linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422812)

When Dreamcast already runs NetBSD. :)

Getting Linux to Work would be impressive... (2)

suwalski (176418) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422813)

...but getting it to work on an X-Box would be even more so!

But seriously, I'm constantly amazed by the ideas people have of devices to run Linux on -- perhaps more so than the actual hacking required to do it.

Check out this Linux on a toaster [k12.or.us]... Crazy teenagers! :)

Re:Getting Linux to Work would be impressive... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422858)

Um, it won't be linux running on that dreamcast. Netbsd, baby. Netbsd. Upgrade today.

Re:Getting Linux to Work would be impressive... (1)

galaga79 (307346) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422949)

...but getting it to work on an X-Box would be even more so!

I could be wrong on this, but I believe it's easier to develop for the Dreamcast as the SDK was illegaly leaked on the net. It is because of that there was a large flux of emulators and other unoffical programs developed for the Dreamcast.

Microsoft is no doubt more protective about it's SDK and stopping unauthorised for the development for X-Box. According to the X-Box development site [xbox.com] you need to sign a NDA to get access to the devkit. So any GLPed program let alone Linux is quite unlikely, that is unless you reverse engineer the console but these days that would probably land you in hot water.

I've got to wonder... (1)

alouts (446764) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422814)

Why anyone would really consider this "promising". Cool, yes. Geeky, yes. But come on, for the price of the hardware, you can buy a two or three generations old real machine on ebay and have a MUCH more funcitonal webserver without any of the do-it-yourself hassle. Can you really see someone going out and buying up a whole slew of dreamcasts and hard drives to build out a cheap server farm?

Wow! (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422823)

That's so fucking cool! I mean, that's just so FUCKING cool man! A hard drive! On a dreamcast!!! Wow! Wow, wow, wowowo!!! Wowie!!! That's... just... wow, man! That totally like... BLOWS my whole fucking mind!! WOW!!!!!! Just... totally.... wow!!! That's so fucking cool!

Oh, and: Fuck you.

* MY GIRLFRIEND -- NUDE -- HOT * (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422825)

my girlfriend [consumptionjunction.com]

Your girlfriend is not hot. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422891)

She looks like she is being prepared to have dinner with 40 humans in space. Just throw an apple in her mouth, dump her into a pan of scalding hot oil, and into the oven she goes.

She'ld make a good JewRoll.

Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422826)

If I remember correctly, the Dreamcast sports a first gen Kyro graphics chipset. Also noteworthy, PowerVR has just released its 2nd wave of BETA X11 XServer, GLX, and DRI drivers for their Kyro and Kyro II graphics chipsets. I submitted this as news, but apparently Slashdot doesn't think it's noteworthy. What realy is noteworthy is POWERVR has NOW opensourced their DRIVERS! Check it out on their download page...

SuSE 7 [powervr.com]
RedHat 7
Mandrake 8
SOURCE RPM
and SOURCE TARBALL ;)

PowerVR has just made the Dreamcast into an aspiring platform for Linux gaming! Good graphics, 128 bit SuperH CPU, good BUS, affordable(less than $100 at retail, cheaper used), and now a harddrive... shame on them ;)

Re:Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (1)

Egonis (155154) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422850)

Think of the possibilities here...

- Linux Distro on DC
- X11 running on DC
- IDE Capabilities

This could make a CHEAP, but Uber Kewl Workstation!!

Re:Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (1)

magicslax (532351) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422869)

I hope you realize your "CHEAP, but Uber Kewl Workstation" would only have 16 megs of ram.

Re:Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422876)

DirectFB (framebuffer) instead of an X Server.

the SVGA X Server requires about 12MB of system RAM, swap helps a little, but just use a the Vesa-compiant FrameBuffer API and you'll have applications running without any X overhead. yay.

Re:Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (2)

Junta (36770) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422920)

Hell, it's a lot more than 640k, and you'd never need more than that...

But seriously, I have a P60 w/ 16 megs of ram running Linux. swaps like hell but it works..

Re:Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422870)

Oh fuck yeah! Imagine a fast Linux system you won't feel bad about letting bake in your car! I'ld like to see a Dreamcast using a Playstation1 portable television display and 802.11b. That'll rock as a zombie slashdotting uber-hacking toy. Cheers

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Re:Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422899)

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Re:Dreamcast videosystem is designed by PowerVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423102)

Newsworthy? No, it's not. It would take a significant amount of work to make it from X86 to SH4 and then from the PC video architecture to the custom chipset within the DC. The video isn't that great and the CPU is dog-slow for unoptimized use. The modem does not work in linux and broadband adapters are impossible to find outside of ebay. And the DC itself is almost impossible to find new.

Don't get me wrong, the DC is a fun toy, but don't try to make it into a 'great linux gaming platform', which it is not.

Cheap Kiosk (2, Interesting)

geoffsmith (161376) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422833)

Here's a recipe to roll your own cheap kiosk:
  • 1 el cheapo Dreamcast for your local walmart with dreamcast linux installed
  • 1 inexpensive little TV (you've probably got one in your garage)
  • 1 spare ide drive -- I've got one sitting on my desk
  • Plywood and paint
And as a bonus, you can play Sonic the Hedgehog on it!

Websurfing done right! StumbleUpon [stumbleupon.com]

Re:Cheap Kiosk (1)

Garak (100517) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423231)

You don't even need a HD for this, you could just burn all the data onto a CD.

This was posted bout a year ago on /. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422835)

Someone else made it, a team of college students I believe. They made an interface 4 it. now that the dc is rather dead and its cpu dated it doesnt much matter. Well it might to those linux nuts that want to run linux on everything from a wrist watch to a cash register

Why bother, Timothy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422842)

Why make a Dreamcast web server? So you can post a link to it and cause it to burst into flames?

Timothy, you're a cruel, cruel, man... :P

DC NAVI (1)

thanjee (263266) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422868)

This is cool.
If we incorporate the DC Navi with Lain OS, then we will have a full NAVI styled DC NAVI :)

More Information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422882)

Much more information here:

DreamcastDK [fazigu.org]

Linux on the DC... (4, Interesting)

Junta (36770) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422900)

It has beend done, here is a url:
http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/dreamcast/
You can even get an ISO for the modified RedHat/eCos there.
It supports the video card (unaccelrated framebuffer, maybe improved by now), and the BBA (if you are lucky enough to have one). You *could* make it into a web server through nfs, or static on CD, but see no good reason. Doesn't support the sound though.
Personally, If I had a BBA and linux supported the sound, it could make a convenient MP3 jukebox with neato visualizations, or even an MPG player. You can get software to play MPG and MP# from CD already, but over NFS would be so much more convenient... Home theater applications, that could be useful, since it's form factor is so nice. Linux on the XBox would be a truly great Home Theater thing (hard drive and ethernet built in). Hell, any general purpose OS on the XBox would make the box more attractive, the games sure as hell don't excite me.

Re:Linux on the DC... (1)

h0tblack (575548) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422972)

and done a long time ago too, like a year, so this is very much a case of non-news.
You gotta love the DC signed by Stallman :)
http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/images/lwe01.jpg
There's also a LinuxDC site at sourceforge:
http://linuxdc.sourceforge.net/

Re:Linux on the DC... (1)

dcocos (128532) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423047)

Has anyone actually gotten this to work? I've never been able to get it to make working CD.

Re:Linux on the DC... (1)

TC (WC) (459050) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423071)

Unfortunately some Dreamcast units cannot read CD-Rs. A list of these versions and how to identify them is out there somewhere, though I don't have a URL.

Re:Linux on the DC... (1)

ksheff (2406) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423233)

I have, but it required getting a different CD burner in order to create the multisession cd-r. My SCSI burner wouldn't work so I picked up a plain IDE one at a computer show and it works just fine. Also, I think the version of the kernel they are using is 2.4.5, which has a broken version of the RTL-8139C ethernet driver. It keeps reporting 'no medium found' when it tries to load the driver. This apparently was a problem with the driver code in the main kernel tree and was fixed later. This distribution just hasn't added that fix yet (I haven't yet either, so I can't complain). X seems to work ok.

Old news... (2, Informative)

Daniel Wood (531906) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422910)

bITmASTER32 [compuserve.de] made an IDE interface and Kiyoshi Ikehara [nma.ne.jp] built released a driver for NetBSD a long time ago. What this guy did was nothing special. They have been Lan booting NetBSD on a dreamcast and using the HDD (albeit slow, 800k/sec) for a while now.

And when the DC is /.'ed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422925)

Heres the text....

Some new hardware pics Posted by Dan on 2002-04-27 01:33:41

I haven't quite finished my new ISA/IDE interface for the DC, but I have verified rudimentary communications between the DC and an IDE hard disk today, so I figured I'd post some pics. =D Sorry for the crappy webcam pic quality.

#1 #2 #3

(note stylish blue LED ;-)

I call this a "bridge" rather than a "bus" because that seems a bit more accurate to me -- it just hooks two existing buses (ISA and DC EXT) together.

This is actually built up from the diagram of Kiyoshi IKEHARA, with some modifications of my own. Specifically I had to resolve the 6-way NAND gate, and I got sick of looking for an ISA IDE controller, so I wired up my own directly into the board. This isn't as bad as it sounds because IDE is basically designed to plug directly into ISA anyway.

This is the beginning of my "DC Navi" project, which I'll keep people posted on, in case anyone is interested. I'm eventually planning to outfit a Dreamcast motherboard with a flash BIOS, reset switch, and IDE/ISA interface, and put it into a new case. This will also involve writing a new BIOS for it, which will be based mostly on KOS.

Yeah, I know, I'm crazy, but it's fun ^_-

Small update: I've confirmed it 100% now. I've got a small KOS program that reads this data from the HD info block (IDE cmd 0xec):

Drive is a 'WDC AB1210F', C/H/S=988/12/34 (196MB), buffer size 0MB

Matches the disk exactly. Whoo hoo! On to driver and file system goodness =)

WTF!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422940)

Maybe this will encourage new Linux for Dreamcast work with the greater possibilities it presents for a small SH6 based web server?

god damn it!!! there are other OS's out there other than linux you fucking posers!!!

WHY DONT YOU JUST TRY TO PORT LINUX ON YOU ANAL VIBRATOR!!!?????

Re:WTF!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422991)

WHY DONT YOU JUST TRY TO PORT LINUX ON YOU ANAL VIBRATOR!!!?????

Wouldn't that be ANUX? [slashcode.com]

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It is not an SH6... (2)

sagei (131421) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422960)

Maybe this will encourage new Linux for Dreamcast work with the greater possibilities it presents for a small SH6 based web server?
The Dreamcast is SH4-based, not SH6. The SH5 chip is just about ready to be released.

yeah, /. !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422977)

They can turn it into a web server so it can get slashdotted within nanoseconds. SOunds like fun. :P

Already done in Japan... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3422984)

...as mentioned even on the guy's web page:

Link [nma.ne.jp]

Summary of Sega consoles/CPU's (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422993)

Sega Master System - Z80 cpu. no idea of mhz
Sega Genesis - MC68000 cpu, z80 cpu for sound
Sega 32x - SH2 cpu, able to utilize 68k as coprocessor
Sega Saturn - Dual Hitachi SH3's, 68k for sound
Sega Dreamcast - SH4 cpu, (SH3 for sound? heh)

Anyone have any idea what the Game Gear used? I'm guessing z80, though it might have been others.

Re:Summary of Sega consoles/CPU's (1)

Serfer (11135) | more than 11 years ago | (#3422999)

Eh, the z80 in the genesis wasn't really for sound. There were a handful of games (3 or 4 if I recall) that did use it, but it was mostly there for the Master System compatibility.
And the Game Gear used a z80 as well.

Re:Summary of Sega consoles/CPU's (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423013)

Not what I've read. I was under the impression that the SMS converter for genesis sported its own z80 for just that purpose.

Re:Summary of Sega consoles/CPU's (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423201)

Despite its bulky size, the SMS converter did not have a Z80 in it. It was just necessary to convert between the cart pinouts which varied greatly between the 2 systems.

Except for some minor differences, the Genesis is able to run SMS software in its SMS compatibility mode. It isn't emulation, it's just the way the Genesis was designed to work. The Z80 subsystem's memory is easily remapped to work with SMS carts and if you've ever taken a look at how the SMS and Genesis video processors work you'd notice some funny similarities.

The Genesis VDP can be programmed to act like an SMS VDP (which was similar if not the same as the MSX's.)

Re:Summary of Sega consoles/CPU's (1, Insightful)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423228)

The Genesis used the Z80 for both sound and Master System/Game Gear (same box, different resolution screen) compatibility. I believe that there was 1 or 2 licensed games that used it for SMS compat, the rest were 10 in 1 pirate carts and the like.

Re:Summary of Sega consoles/CPU's (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423185)

As someone who has written a Genesis emulator, I can assure you that the Z80 is indeed the sound CPU. There was only 1 game which used the SMS compatibility mode that I'm aware of (Phantasy Star -- exact same game as the SMS counterpart, in a Genesis cartridge.)

Try firing up some games in your favorite Genesis emulator and then disabling the Z80. What's that? Sound stops? Oh! :) Some games did PSG sound through the 68K but the bulk of sound output was done through the YM2612 FM (and its DAC) using the Z80.

The SMS compatibility mode was activated via a cart pin. It disabled the 68K, put the VDP in SMS compatibility mode, and the made the Z80 think it was an SMS Z80.

The Game Gear is basically just an SMS (the only real difference is that its palette can define more colors.)

The 32X used twin SH-2s in a set up that was somewhat similar to the Saturn. The Saturn used 2 SH-2s, NOT SH-3s. There was an SH-1 in the CD-ROM drive, but you couldn't load code on it, so it basically worked like a black box.

AFAIK the Dreamcast uses an ARM CPU for sound.

If you can't already tell, programming old Sega consoles for fun is something I've dabbled in :)

Re:Summary of Sega consoles/CPU's (2, Interesting)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423216)

The DC uses a Yamaha AICA chip for sound, which is just an ARM that runs code given to it to process sound. Pretty flexible beast, from what I've heard.

I can actually think of a use... (5, Interesting)

Paradoxish (545066) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423022)

...for running Linux off of a HDD hooked up to a dreamcast, although the PS2 serves the purpose a little better for me (just based on its shape and its PC-like CD tray): car "PC" systems! Think about it, a console is generally cheaper than a PC, has a smaller profile, doesn't generate as much heat, and has more "out of the box" uses (A PS2 placed in a car is already capable of playing games, DVDs, AND CDs - and with Linux running on it could probably very easy serve as an mp3 player).

A Dreamcast might not be as useful for that specific purpose, but the moral is don't immediatly assume any Linux project done "just for the hell of it" has no practical use. Anyone with the creativity and skill to get Linux running on unusual hardware (and in this case modify the hardware itself) can definetly come up with a good use for it.

Been there, done that. (2)

alhaz (11039) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423027)

This has been done before, it's actually been done a lot better before.

I apologize for not being able to find the URL. For some reason, dreamcast hackers don't link to eachother much at all, so the info is hard to find with google. Somewhere around here, I have a PDF with a schematic.

About a year and a half ago, someone released an unfinished schematic for a board that connects where the modem or BBA connects and has an onboard IDE controller and an ISA slot. The website for it also had pictures of an improved design with a notebook ide connector and mounting hardware, and a pcmcia slot instead of an ISA slot. All this hardware being supported under netbsd, with source provided.

the creator / author said on the page that the complete design was unfinished but very close to finished. It was uncertian whether he was planning on printing and selling boards, or even telling anyone else how to do it.

huh.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423057)

I am sorry to have to be seen to do this but I have finally, after 2 years and 6months, had enough of the absolute bollocks discussed on this site.

It has become apparent to me that very few of you posess a sense of humor.

This is of course because most of you are American.

Wankers.

Re:huh.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423086)

Those dolts can't even drop a bomb properly.

OT: Game Cube? (1)

petyou (61251) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423063)

I've Googled and Googled, but have yet to find any resources covering homebrew on the Game Cube. It uses a modded IBM G3 and some interesting SRAM-ish [anandtech.com] memory. I'd be nice if a resource like Marcus Comstedt's [mc.pp.se] existed. So far the closest I can find are photos [gamesx.com] of the guts, and some marketing from Metrowerks [metrowerks.com].

Re:OT: Game Cube? (1)

or_smth (473159) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423077)

The problem faced by many is the fact that it uses mini-dvds as a format rather than full dvds. Those "leetos" with DVD burners have a tough time with that, and mini-cds don't hold enough. I expect that in due time, there will be projects, but by design it is not nearly as PC-like as the dreamcast (could work with MS windows CE) or the Xbox (well... it is a PC :).

puckmd is da man (-1, Offtopic)

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Good use for the Dreamcast (0, Flamebait)

Tremul (190113) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423107)

Using the dreamcast as a webserver will give the Dreamcast new life considering it's gaming aspects are completely worthless

Re:Good use for the Dreamcast (1)

jerkface (177812) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423172)

I take it you know that because you've played all the popular Dreamcast games, and found them worthless? Or is it possible that you're making broad comments about a system that you actually don't know much about? Just curious.

NetBSD runs on dreamcast also (1)

epseps (39675) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423161)

It runs on pretty much everything, probably more stable than Linux too (it has been for me on x86 but not as much fun stuff)

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/dreamcast

evilpaul you a fuckin idiot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#3423176)

hahahah

you are the goatse.cx man

Filtering help please (1)

isoteareth (321937) | more than 11 years ago | (#3423261)

I'd really prefer the "I made X into Y" articles were in their own category, rather than hardware. There's enough of them to warrant a category, and I suspect I'm not the only person who has no interest in them but still wants to read legitimate hardware news.
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