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Matt Groening on Futurama, Simpsons and Fox

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the worst-editor-ever dept.

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dipfan writes "Simpsons and Futurama creator Matt Groening, in an interview with the FT, says that the Fox network didn't understand or support Futurama. Groening says: "They haven't really supported it. I think it's a worthy companion to The Simpsons and we're really proud of it. But Fox gave it a bad slot and zero promotion for the last three years." He also accuses the channel of meddling with the show, making complaints that the characters were "too mean". He's hoping to change Fox's mind, and endorses the online petition to try and save the show. The good news is that he's got other ideas for new shows if Futurama really does get canned, and talks about new Simpsons plots involving Enron, and Krusty The Clown running for Congress." His feelings shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who saw the first act of "Homer the Moe", but what I thought was interesting was his comments on Fox and how he's not interested in moving networks over the futurama thing.

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The jews did it (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439162)

Blame the kikes for Futurama no longer being aired.

chrisd: (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439225)

fix yuor typo.
thnx.

Re:The jews did it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439230)

Those dirty jews invented the Golem as well!

http://www.ced.appstate.edu/projects/fifthd/lege nd . tml

Next week on the Simpsons (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439163)

Next week on the Simpsons Homer does something wacky!

fourth (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439168)

fifth?

sixth?

hummina

I heard The Simpsons is being canceled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439170)

It is in Jeffy124's journal

And as Homer would put it: DOH!

Re:I heard The Simpsons is being canceled (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439178)

Well, it's about time.

I love the show, but it's starting to get old. They're just out of ideas.

Re:I heard The Simpsons is being canceled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439216)

Kind of like this shithole website.

Re:I heard The Simpsons is being canceled (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439197)

The link from Jeffy124's journal is here [cnn.com] . Please mod up.

What a headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439177)

Oh man. My first glance at this headline made it look like "Matt is groaning about Futura, Simpsons, and Fox."

Re:What a headline (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439191)

That's why the second glance was invented, idiot.

Looking for good Slashdot troll scripts (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439180)

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Re:Looking for good Slashdot troll scripts (0)

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113435 signitures for the petition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439181)

Lets see how many after this article has been on Slashdot for awhile.

Hopefully... (1, Insightful)

NickRob (575331) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439185)

Hopefully the new ones won't be on par with the quality of the episodes these days. Once they lost Connan, they started steadily going downhill.

Re:Hopefully... (2, Interesting)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439382)

Once they lost Connan, they started steadily going downhill.

I agree with you except I would replace "steadily" with "rapidly". It was painful enough to watch one of my favorite shows go from brilliant to awful but I finally decided to switch the TV off on the episode where I&S Corp decides to change The Itchy & Scratchy Show (was that the Poochy the Dog episode?). Near the end, Lisa tells the animators that there isn't anything "wrong" with Itchy & Scratchy, the reason their ratings are down is because people have gotten used to such great programming or some such nonesense. She goes on to say that the fans should be thankful that Itchy & Scratchy has been great for so many years. That speech was obviously directed towards fans of the Simpsons who were posting negative comments about the shows on the Internet. Rather than listening to the feedback from their most loyal fans, the people running The Simpsons decided to have Lisa berate the viewers! I thought that was too offensive and decided that there was no longer any hope that The Simpsons would realize they were making a mistake with their new direction.

So I gave up hope that the Simpsons would return to greatness a long time ago...

GMD

Re:Hopefully... (2, Funny)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439411)

Are you sure your nick shouldn't be "Comic Book Guy"?

Problems with Fox... (4, Insightful)

ZiZ (564727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439189)

Fox has a long history of utterly failing to pay attention to the worthwhileness of their shows - giving good shows the boot while bad shows - say, for instance, Greg the Bunny - get prime airtime. The Simpsons just happened to be the right combination of edgy and comfortably marketable to get and keep a prime spot for so long - and any show that doesn't live up to those standards seems to be summarilly dropped, despite the fact that the bar is unreasonably high...

Re:Problems with Fox... (2, Funny)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439202)

Greg the bunny is funny.

.

Re:Problems with Fox... (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439212)

Wow, you really showed him.

Re:Problems with Fox... (0)

ViXX0r (188100) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439240)

Seriously! WTF? Greg the Bunny is fricken hilarious! This is one of the shows that is worth while, and they're giving it a chance to live for once.

Ah-iggit, blah.

FUCK YOU C64 Style (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439254)

10 Print ("FUCK YOU")
20 GOTO 10
RUN

Re:FUCK YOU C64 Style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439289)

Damn your infinite loops!

Lifespan of a comedy style? (5, Insightful)

ZiZ (564727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439263)

Quoth the pigeon:
Greg the bunny is funny.

And the recent episodes of the X-Files are deeply conspiracy-laden, heart-wrenching and mind-busting masterpieces.

Personal preferences aside - Fox has had a history of poor choices where the schedule and programming of their stations is concerned.

On another subject, quoth the interview:
But Groening is also pragmatic about the show's shelf-life. "Because animation is such an intensely painstaking process, it wears people out, and audiences are always looking for surprises. When any character is as stupid as Homer Simpson, it's hard to keep surprising the audience."

Groening has a remarkably mature and insightful view of his own mortality and the limits of a particular genre. While the Simpsons make an excelent foil for poking fun at any cultural situation, economic event, or global personality (and as such, has a much much longer life expectancy than, say, Garfield (no offense to Garfield), who has said just about all there is to say on the subjects of laziness, gluttony, and hatred of dumb-but-cute), at some point, almost certainly, the majority of people watching the show will say "Ho hum, Homer's dumb, headlines, Bart whines, Lisa's smart - who gives a fart? Pass the booze - I'd rather snooze." (Or something, perhaps in slightly less doggerel.) We can only hope that Groening recognizes this point and brings us to a stunning (and satisfying) conclusion before the show becomes bogged down with the dead weight of unfunny seasons.

Re:Lifespan of a comedy style? (2, Funny)

spike hay (534165) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439314)

I liked this quote from the last ep:

Homer: (sobbing) OOOHH!! I'm a rageholic. I can't live without ragehol!!

Re:Lifespan of a comedy style? (3, Insightful)

gnovos (447128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439380)

We can only hope that Groening recognizes this point and brings us to a stunning (and satisfying) conclusion before the show becomes bogged down with the dead weight of unfunny seasons.

I think one of the really neat things about the Simpsons is that it reflects our own cultural insanity. The day when the Simpsons runs out of material will be the day we, as a culture, finally move ourselves out of the wasteland of ignorance and stupidity. It's win-win!

Re:Problems with Fox... (-1)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439213)

A Potency Enema (from old Roman times - recorded in the Satyricon)

1 litter red wine

5 egg yolks

2 tablespoons olive oil

Juice of fresh truffles (or mushrooms etc)

Mix well

Re:Problems with Fox... (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439236)

This also makes a delightful salad dressing.

Note that you should probably not use the same batch for both purposes.

Re:Problems with Fox... (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439270)

Heh. Ew.

Re:Problems with Fox... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439214)

All shows (and people) need a place out of the sun to grow and get legs.

Re:Problems with Fox... (5, Insightful)

RackinFrackin (152232) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439343)

Fox has a long history of utterly failing to pay attention to the worthwhileness of their shows ...

That's the truth. Married with Children is a prime example. It was one of the shows that helped launch the network, and they showed no respect for that. They repeatedly changed the timeslot, and eventually moved it to Saturday night. The worst, though, was that they didn't produce a final episode. They cancelled it after all the season 11 episodes were taped, so there was never a finale That's a pretty rotten send-off for a show that ran for over a decade.

Re:Problems with Fox... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439414)

Married with Children is a prime example. ...they showed no respect for that. They repeatedly changed the timeslot

That's probably because the people who thought it was funny were too stupid to remember what day it was.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439190)

I knew fox was bad... but this?

worst-editor-ever dept. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439192)

that's not chrisd, that's michael. get yer facts straight!

The only thing to say is... (1)

NetRanger (5584) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439194)

"DOH!"

Futurama is disappointing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439203)

I've never really been as impressed with Futurama as I have the Simpsons. Futurama just doesn't resonate with me, for some reason. Still, after all these years, I manage to tune into the Simpsons every Sunday night. It's the ONLY TV show I watch (I don't have cable).

Bob [pcweenies.com]

Wow (0, Troll)

MrSloth (544065) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439204)

Futerama would be good if it had better characters, better animation, better plots, better jokes, better acting, and better flow.

But then again....... so would Pokémon.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439251)

"Futerama would be good if it had better characters, better animation, better plots, better jokes, better acting, and better flow."

That's kind of funny, I was just thinking your post'd be good if it had better spelling, better presentation, a better point, better use of grammar, a better style of writing, and better use of commas.

Wouldn't have been easier to type "I don't like Futurama?". Even so, you picked a bad topic to post that under.

Re:Wow (1)

Snoopy77 (229731) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439389)

Before you have a go at someone else's grammar make sure you can construct a meaningful sentence yourself.

Re:Wow (3, Funny)

great throwdini (118430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439279)

Wow is right. Someone on /. wreckless enough to spell Futurama as Futerama, yet caring enough to remember to accent the 'e' in Pokémon?

What kind of God would create a world where such things happen?

Re:Wow (0)

ovit (246181) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439302)

You just dont get it.

Futurama is hilarious. The recent episode where
bender was adrift in space and a microscopic
civilization evolved on his stomach, and came to
worship bender as god had me laughing for days!

Especially when they nuked the microscopic
civilization on his ass!

Tony

Um.... What? (2, Interesting)

CurtisRWC (520668) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439327)

Futerama would be good if it had better characters, better animation, better plots, better jokes, better acting, and better flow.

Compared to what?

The animation on Futurama is on-par, if not slightly better than the Simpsons (which is one of the best animated cartoons out there). If you don't like it, I'm guessing it is for purely asthetic reasons. Personally, I don't like how panning and rotation look, since computers give them a smoothness that just seems jarringly out of place to me - but then again, that's just me. The choice of colors is different as well. Where The Simpsons has a more cartoony look - the colors are brighter and have more contrast, Futurama tends to stray away from bright and primary colors, going for a paler and more blended palette.

The characters, plots, flow, and jokes in Futurama are very different than in The Simpsons. This has everything to do with the universe it is set in being based solely in Science Fiction rather than the mostly realistic universe that The Simpsons has built up over the years. Although most of the "rules" of both the shows are similar, you can easily get away with things in one that you couldn't in the other. Different sets of rules need different characters. Bender wouldn't fit in with The Simpsons just as much as Lisa wouldn't fit in with Futurama.

That being said, I prefer The Simpsons in its prime (although the Homer/Hulk episode this week was pretty good) to Futurama at its best. Why? Futurama's structure is so open that nearly anything can be done plot-wise. The Simpsons was based somewhat in reality, which gave the writing team a bit of focus. When absolutely anything can happen, it isn't as special when it does.

Change it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439205)

Change it all to something cool like a King's Basketball game.

Too mean?! (4, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439206)

> He also accuses the channel of meddling with [Futurama], making complaints that the characters were "too mean"

Fuck, that's the reason I gave up on the Simpsons years ago, and love Futurama!

Hey, FOX, why don't you bite my shiny metal ass? I'm an adult. Now that Bugs Bunny's been censored to hell, I'm left craving cartoons I can enjoy as an adult. If there's a demographic that leaves room in the lineup for Greg The Bunny (who's funny, but is hardly broadly-based social satire), there's gotta be room for Bender and the baby in "Family Guy".

network genius @ Fox (2, Interesting)

iamjim (313916) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439207)

Fox has had some gold in the past that they gambled on and won, and gambled on and lost. Greg the Bunny is boring, Family Guy is great. Although I did not like them, 90210 and Melrose Place were gold for the network. X-files will be generated only syndication funds, nothing substantial.

There has got to be something that I missed, I do not understand how they could cancel shows like Futurama and Family Guy.

What are your thoughts?

Re:network genius @ Fox (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439246)

"What are your thoughts?"

I wonder if I could sneak off to the john for a quick wank.

Where do they make erasers?

Is it almost 5 yet?

Re:network genius @ Fox (5, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439315)

> Greg the Bunny is boring, Family Guy is great.

I've seen this comment a few times.

I think what it comes down to is that GtB is a great sendup of what life is like in Hollyweird. It's a great, biting satire about the kinds of things that TV executives can relate to.

Greg the Bunny is TV executives what Dilbert is to the IT worker.

Family Guy (the episode where the Grim Reaper took a holiday was sheer brilliance) and most Futurama episodes are just as biting as Greg the Bunny -- but most of the jokes probably have no real meaning for a TV executive; they're aimed pretty squarely at what life's like for Joe and Jane Sixpack. (Incompetent managers, bad investments, the Internet, Star Trek geeks :)

Trouble is, most Joe and Jane Sixpacks don't like to see themselves made fun of. It reminds them of how lame they are. Hence the fact that most Simpsons episodes have their funny moments, but they've lost (if indeed, they ever had it) that acerbic, biting cynicism that the original "Life in Hell" comics had.

That leaves the Slashdot crowd - most of whom loves satire as an art form - for stuff like The Tick, Family Guy, and Futurama. I mean, c'mon, how could we not laugh at the "Napster" episode of Futurama? Or the AOL episode ("My god... it's full of spam!"). We love satire, even when it's directed at us.

(And yes, I also lament the loss of the Dilbert series, but that was a UPN thing, not a FOX thing, so it's not really on topic here :)

Bottom line: GtB is being given a chance because TV executives probably think it's riotously funny. I think the gags are "kinda funny", but I can't even tell you when the show airs.

In contrast, I tuned in to Dilbert (and tune in to Futurama) religiously - the jokes that TV executives think of as "kinda funny" are the ones I find riotous.

I don't think I've regularly watched the Simpsons in years, though. Yeah, Life in Hell had to be toned down for TV, but that's probably why I never got hooked on the Simpsons.

FGP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439210)

First Golem Post!

I am the Golem! This is my fifth dimension! I will send you the fifth dimension constitution. From this day on, I WILL BE RIDING AND SURFING ON YOUR CYBERWIND!

Re:FGP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439273)

JeffK, do you know what time it is?

It's PAIN O'CLOCK

FYP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439276)

First Yakisoyba Post!!

yes!!!! WE have YAKISOYBA!!!!

Krusty for Kongress! (1, Funny)

Codex The Sloth (93427) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439215)

Hey hey! I heartily endorse this candidate and/or proposal.

To paraphrase Krusty: Do we really want to live in a world without the Simpsons? I think the living would envy the dead!

Re:Krusty for Kongress! (3, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439394)

Help support the Krusty for Kongress Kampaign!

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plagarism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439223)

So does /. have a script to pull articles [cnn.com] straight off of cnn.com or what?

Do not adjust your browser ... we control the ... (1)

great throwdini (118430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439231)

The FT.com article is wonderfully awkward to read with the Mozilla RC. Ah, well...

scroll scroll scroll

Re:Do not adjust your browser ... we control the . (1, Troll)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439317)

No what made it hard to read was the fact that the Brittish no nothing about the proper use of English.

I could barely read it, there were so many mispellings in the dumb thing.

And their colloquialisms are terrible, but that's a "different kettle of fish". Oh please.

.

Re:Do not adjust your browser ... we control the . (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439362)

No what made it hard to read was the fact that the Brittish no nothing about the proper use of English.

Oh, Stoolie, you so crazy.

I love Futurama but, (1)

Openadvocate (573093) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439244)

I love Futurama but I still think that a good Simpsons ep can beat a good Futurama EP.
I must say that the recent "Weekend at Burnsie's" where Homer where high most of the time or "Blame it on Lisa(rio ep)", shows that The Simpsons still can cut it.
But of course nothing beats time before the got a heavy dose of the PC junk, that sure did ruinda season or two. And I'd like to see Conan O'Brien back on the team, but I guess that is very unlikely.
Still Futurama are a fresh breath of air and I must say that I enjoyed the latest ep of Futurama on Star Trek. Had a lot of what we like, references to things outside the show that is only funny for thow "who knows".
I think that one of the great things about The Simsons have always been that there was a lot of "inside" jokes/references that added a lot of value for hardcore fans and still providing entertainent for those not "in the loop". It has always shown itself when looking at many people watching the show together, some would crack up while other just didn't get it and there was still plenty of laughs for all to share.

Re:I love Futurama but, (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439264)

The Simpsons has wider appeal than Futurama. Futurama is definitely tuned more towards the scifi/geek/even Slashdot audience. That might be part of why Fox is messing with it.

The humor in Futurama definitely has better bite than the Simpsons. If you don't believe me, watch an episode that has a lot of Bender in it. Some of Bender's robotic anatomy is well.. uh.. more functional than ours. ;)

Re:I love Futurama but, (3, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439335)

> Had a lot of what we like, references to things outside the show that is only funny for thow "who knows".

"Church of Star Trek: The Sci-Fi Religion that doesn't take all your money!"

Thanks for the reminder of why I keep watching Futurama. It's a cartoon for adults who actually keep track of what's going on in the world beyond what's reported on the lamestream news.

(I probably shouldn't have said that - it's such a small demographic as to assure Futurama gets canned :)

I comfort myself by thinking that for every "in-joke" I spot on Futurama, there are probably a dozen that I miss.

Plenty in Ouvre; Indifferent about plug pulling (4, Insightful)

StefanJ (88986) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439249)

While I don't agree that The Simpsons has "Jumped the Shark,*" I must confess that there's a downward trend in overall quality. The show has always had its ups and downs, but the ups are not as high as they used to be and the downs are more frequent.

I wouldn't mind The Simpsons ending its run at this point. Better that than risk something awful happening, like one of the voice actors quitting or getting canned or Fox insisting on some egregious change.

Anyway, there are so many episodes in syndication that I can watch reruns for weeks without getting bored.

What WOULD be tragic: Groening not having a shot at another show. Surprise us, Matt!

Stefan

* #1 Candidate for overused annoying chic media term.

Re:Plenty in Ouvre; Indifferent about plug pulling (3, Insightful)

swingkid (3585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439358)

Better that than risk something awful happening

Have you seen the Simpsons at all this season? The whole series has been a train wreck. It's like they're deliberately trying to kill off interest in the show by making the worst possible episodes.

Re:Plenty in Ouvre; Indifferent about plug pulling (2, Funny)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439384)

"Jumped the Shark,*"

* #1 Candidate for overused annoying chic media term.

Did I miss something? I feel like I'm in Back to the Future II.

re: Simpsons Jumping the Shark (2)

freeweed (309734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439391)

Funny you should mention this. A LOT of otherwise knowledgable people I know completely missed it too - on the recent "clipshow" (Homer Gump or some such title), watch towards the end credits where they start making jokes about future Simpsons episodes.

They quickly show a picture of Homer waterskiing - and he happens to be taking a jump, right overtop a shark.

I think milk came out of my nose when I saw that.

Control of TV series (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439257)

As some of you are aware, when J. Michael Straczynski attempted to make a sequel to his popular Babylon 5 series, the network in charge (TNT) tried to control the creative direction of his show, Crusade. After only 13 episodes, Straczynski walked away saying that he either does Crusade his way or not at all. TNT had refused to relinquish creative control to the creator. Apparently, a similar showdown occurred between Simpsons creator Matt Groening and the FOX network while developing the Futurama series.

Groening said in a Playboy interview: "The current atmosphere in television is one of anxiety and fear. And Fox has been worried that Futurama isn't like the Simpsons. And I've said, 'No, it's exactly like the Simpsons: It's new and original.' But that hasn't calmed them down. Also, Fox expected to have our show under its thumb and was quite surprised when I adamantly insisted that we put this show together exactly as we do The Simpsons, with complete autonomy. So that's why you haven't heard anything positive about Futurama from Fox during the past year."

So, where TNT failed to compromise and save Crusade, the FOX network acquiesed to the creator and now has had a successful show in Futurama.

The 7 pm Sunday death slot (2, Insightful)

cowboy junkie (35926) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439261)

I'm amazed Futurama has lasted as long as it has considering that it's not only in the 7 pm Sunday death slot, but that it's preempted continuously during the football season. Add to that the fact that this past season didn't start with regular new episodes until January, and you've got a recipe for lost viewers.

Re:The 7 pm Sunday death slot (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439282)

I'm amazed that when they aired Star Wars IV, they cancelled Futurama that night. Funny thing is, normally Futurama would have been right after SW, instead they put on two eps of King of the Hill.

Why they preempted Futurama from following Star Wars I'll never know.

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439267)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:*BSD is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439322)

must be rough having this be the high point in your day. I recommend a .45 to the brain. It will be over in a flash, we will thank-you, your mother will thank-you, in fact i'd go so far as to say the WORLD would thank-you. But the bottom line is PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT REPRODUCE for the good of our species.

dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439329)

The Simpsons is dying. BSD don't have shit to do with this thread.

Family Guy.. (1)

VoiceOfRaisin (554019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439277)

..was also canceled cause Fox put them on in a bad timeslot and didnt promote them. And im not alone when i say that it was/is the best show EVER.

Re:Family Guy.. (2)

spike hay (534165) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439296)

..was also canceled cause Fox put them on in a bad timeslot and didnt promote them. And im not alone when i say that it was/is the best show EVER.

Family Guy is awesome. Like a less politically correct Simpsons. Personally, I think it was even funnier than the Simpsons. It pissed me off that they canceled it. When they give a show a bad timeslot and no promotion, why the hell to they expect it to do well? The Family Guy could have been another Simpsons.

Matt Groening is a sellout (1, Troll)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439278)

If you want to really see his best work, you'll have to look at his early Life in Hell comics (pre-1984 is best). His satire bites, it hurts, it actually has teeth.

The Simpsons was basically a Punch-and-Judy show when it premiered on Tracey Ullman. It staggered through a mediocre first year, propelled mostly by Bart Simpson's "negative role model" image which was further sensationalized by the media.

Conan O Brien's writing talents mad the show somewhat more watchable, however, most episodes consist of predictable sitcom plots, poorly conceived visual jokes, and celebrity guest appearances-the modern equivalent to Scooby-Doo. And it's part of pop culture for all the same reason-it's formulaic structure and catchphrases. Yes, "D'oh!" has become the "Zoinks!" of the year 2000.

Matt, it's been a long, dull ride, and you've made a lot of money. I can't say I blame you, but I do feel sorry for the people who think the Simpsons are "clever". I wonder if they've ever read anything by Evan Dorkin [houseoffun.com] or Dan Clowes [fantagraphics.com] .

Re:Matt Groening is a sellout (5, Insightful)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439307)

"I do feel sorry for the people who think the Simpsons are "clever". I wonder if they've ever read anything by Evan Dorkin [houseoffun.com] or Dan Clowes [fantagraphics.com]."

Okay... so the Simpsons really isn't funny. I guess all my laughter was an allergic reaction to really bad TV?

I think it's funny how people use their individualism to try to rise above other people. They never seem to realize that the tip of their nose ends up higher than their forehead when they do that.

I have no regrets. Both the Simpsons and Futurama are quite amusing to watch, and their style of humor has yet to be replicated by anybody. Hmm... isn't that the definition of clever?

Re: Hey, Its the Comic Book Guy! (1)

Patrick Lewis (30844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439369)


I dooo feel sorry for the people who think the Simpsons are "clever" (use finger quotes).

Re:Matt Groening is a sellout (1)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439390)

If it was really that awful, it wouldn't have done so well. Time Magazine named it as one of the 25 things that changed the 20th Century - no small feat for a cartoon show.

You might feel sorry for those of us who enjoy the Simpsons, but if you think about it, we should be feeling sorry for you. Sorry your pseudo-intellectual snobbery has stopped you from enjoying what the rest of us find a very funny show.

Re:Matt Groening is a sellout (2)

benedict (9959) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439412)

Aren't you cool.

There are people who are familiar with Dan Clowes
and still like the Simpsons, you know.

But we're probably not as cool as you.

Call 911! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439281)

I think we've got a suicide attempt here... Fox is terminating Futurama, X-files, and Ally McBeal to replace them with new shows like... Greg the Bunny?!? WTF?!?

NOT an INTERVIEW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439285)

that is NOT an interview, it IS an article sprinkled with a few quotes from Groening...

WHY WIL WHEATON SHOULD BE SHOT AND EATEN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439288)

brap! brap brap!

ho hum network TV (2)

Archfeld (6757) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439297)

is merely a place holder because if they showed ALL ads some people would turn it off. The Simpson's had a good run, but is old hat now and hardly even brings a chuckle. I tried to watch Futurama, but it failed to impress me.

UK Censorship (1)

fatgraham (307614) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439301)

It seems moderatly relative to this article (fox's argument that its too mean etc) but in the UK(terrestrial wise), we only get futurama on channel 4 (and not regular enough). but i noticed they cut out a lot of sex-related jokes/quips/comments. i still cant understand why, especially when you compare to everything else thats on tv these days.

But after noticing how much they cut out, futurama has a lot of sex-related jokes. something simpsons doesnt... in my opinion the simpsons is well past its sell-by date, but then thats just my opinion.

I'd hate to be matt groening, in the sense that anything he does will be compared to the simpsons, no matter what. some jeff and akbar stuff would be good, but im not sure how well that would transfer to TV

Futurama Movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439313)

How well do you think a Futurama movie would go down? Start off with Y3000 Pilot, to introduce the story then followed by I, Roommate, then continue on with a whole new plot from thereon.

I think it would be extremely popular!

Re:Futurama Movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439372)

In a recent interview with BBC Radio Bristol, Matt Groening talks again about the possibility of a Simpsons movie and says it's likely sooner rather than later. Wouldn't a much better project be a Futurama movie? This could keep the current team of writers and animators together during the hiatus and the consequent profile-raising might even stop the hiatus becoming cancellation.

Re:Futurama Movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439399)

Futurama the Movie!

Now with 20% new footage.

Groenig should move Futurama to UPN... (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439320)

... Then they'd have 2 good shows to air!

Re:Groenig should move Futurama to UPN... (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439352)

I'm curious - what's the second?

Re:Groenig should move Futurama to UPN... (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439383)

*Flame shields activated*

Enterprise.

(Before you flame me because you hate Trek, consider that Voyager and Enterprise are really the main shows that put UPN on the map.)

Re:Groenig should move Futurama to UPN... (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439409)

*Flame shields activated*

Not gonna bother. Just read that sentence over again - the one about UPN and "the map" :)

Someone should tell Matt... (4, Insightful)

tb3 (313150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439328)

That online petitions don't work.

This came out of a report from an anime convention last week. The studio reps said that they would pay attention to petitions for new series, but not online petitions. I suspect that Fox would pay even less attention.

I don't think there's been a single example of an online petition having an effect. Please provide examples if I'm mistaken.

Re:Someone should tell Matt... (1)

smart.id (264791) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439344)

I have wondered the SAME EXACT THING. Someone please mod this guy up, his comment needs to be noticed.

Re:Someone should tell Matt... (2)

great throwdini (118430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439403)

I don't think there's been a single example of an online petition having an effect. Please provide examples if I'm mistaken.

Well, there is at least once recent example of FOX responding to letter-writing campaigns. One such campaign rescued Party of Five - the second story on the other side of this link [viewersvoice.org] is supportive of that claim.

I don't believe that online petitions work, but if I recall correctly, online communications did assist in the PoF fight by mobilizing people on PoF-related email lists (yes, this was quite a while ago) to write letters. Likely, this approach would prove more effective. Kill a tree, save a show!

Not exactly to your point, but close.

I personally just couldn't stand the timeslot (1)

Bluetick (516014) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439345)

The show was pretty good, but doesn't have anything close to the charm and appeal of The Simpsons. Which isn't to say it couldn't have succeeded. It had the worst timeslot available. 6:00 PM CST, that's not even primetime yet. Even worse, there's that useless cartoon between it and the Simpsons (King of the Hill, which is atrocious). Hell, they should've scrapped X-Files like three or four years ago and moved it back an hour, and kill King of the Hill of course.

When they do cancel Simpsons (3, Funny)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439351)

I wont even notice. Usually I am busy when the new shows get aired. I watch the Simpsons 3 or 4 times a week but it is all syndication.

That's part of what makes it so awesome. Each time I watch an episode again it cracks me up as much as the first time. Plus I notice little things I missed the first time around.

I figure all the new episodes I've missed give me a buffer of at least a few years. And you know that the Simpsons are going to be on for a very long time on some channel.

Sort of like that 8 minutes of light we get after the sun goes out one day.

.

Futurama sucked anyhow (0, Troll)

natersoz (239301) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439361)

Almost as much as the 70's show. That's sucks more. Yup, major suckage.

Re:Futurama sucked anyhow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439375)

shut your mouth! That redheaded chick [imdb.com] is pretty hot, dontcha think?

Speculation (3, Interesting)

gnovos (447128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439366)

I have no inside knowledge of FOX or other broadcasting companies, but if they function the same way that other companies that I have worked at do, then I know exactly why you see the really fantsatic shows being canned in thier prime: new blood. Every time managment changes or restructures, there is some subconcious need from the newbies to change things around, if for no other reason than to justify thier existance. The usual route is to attack what was successful before, tear it down, and bring out the solid gold shnazzy New Thing(tm) that will wow everyone. Maybe it works one time out of a hundred, but that doesn't stop people from trying to be the lucky golden boy.

This is just a guess, but I'll put a tenner down that the reason why Futurama never really got the support that it should have, and why it's being dropped now, is becuase maybe a week after the pilot, the heads of that department in FOX got restructured and the pastic wrap came off a whole new lineup of fresh-faced marketing and programming execs. They couldn't drop the Simpsons (it just has TOO MUCH momentum), so they decided to carve up everything else they could touch and fill the void with the neeto ideas they had during thier training in the frat house.

Simpsons may go soon too (4, Informative)

alanjstr (131045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439368)

Yahoo News carries an interview [yahoo.com] with Groening. My favorite quote it "Although what happens generally if we win the Emmy for best animation show is that that gives us another couple of years to run it into the ground," he said.

Remember Dilbert? (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439371)

There was a Dilbert cartoon on UPN that really wasn't bad. Unfortunately, being UPN and being on at an unusual time (well for me anyway...) made me miss alot of it. So I really didn't notice that it had disappeared. One night, I was inspired to check Kazaa for Dilbert and grabbed a few eps. That show was actually pretty good!

I think what killed that show was not so much time slot, but rather FOX has a virtual monopoly on prime-time animated shows. Sunday nights are when I watch like a string of cartoons. And ... well damn, if Fox had bought Dilbert from UPN, that would have worked out really well:

7:00 PM: King of the Hill
7:30 PM: Family Guy
8:00 PM: Simpsons
8:30 PM: Futurama
9:00 PM: Dilbert
9:30 PM: X-Files

Tell me that wouldn't have been a cool night lineup.

Groening vs the "New Simpsons" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3439386)

I don't know how most original Simpsons fans feel, but I pretty much stopped paying attention to the show after the first horrendous post-Groening season aired. Fans' opinions aside, I was wondering if Matt Groening has publicly commented on the "new Simpsons". Though I'm sure that the current incarnation of the show makes him want to puke blood, I have yet to come across any interviews that feature him denouncing the new episodes.

it is a shame... (2)

AnimeFreak (223792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3439405)

FOX Broadcasting has a nasty habit of cancelling good shows and keeping bad shows. One such show was the Critic, from where it lept from FOX to ABC. Due to that leap, the show only lasted two seasons (One on FOX, one on ABC).

Now FOX is treading on both Family Guy and Futurama...

Tis a shame...
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