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Internet Radio Day of Silence

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the hello-darkness-my-old-friend dept.

Music 200

headless_ringmaster writes "TechTV's ScreenSavers today aired their interview with Wolf FM's Steve Wolf on the CARP bill and how it'll destroy Internet Radio. The Internet Radio Day of Silence is a day of protest for Internet Radio stations to get the word out on the issue. This has been talked about on /. before, but it's very nice to see a significant television/media company like TechTV use their broadcasting advantage to help the little guys, especially when they're up against monied interests." May 1 is Labor Day throughout most of the world except the U.S.; a good choice for internet radio stations to try to get out their message.

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Err (3, Funny)

PlaysWithMatches (531546) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441162)

The Internet Radio Day of Silence is a day of protest for Internet Radio stations to get the word out on the issue.

Wait, you get the word out with silence? :) </lameness>

Re:Err (2, Informative)

Vinnster (572111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441192)

Me tuning in: Ethel, Where'd I put that darned hearing aid? I can't quite tell what they're all saying... The message seems a bit quiet....
20 out of every 1 person in the world are dyslexic

Re:Err (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441381)

I wanted to say that as i am deaf I don't care about radio, I also consider chatting as a pollution and I humbly follow the Zen Grossmeistern on the path towards a distraction-free illuminated world (which is far away from hier).

Re:Err (3, Informative)

Jonathunder (105885) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441215)

I know you're being funny--and thought it was incongruous as well.

But according to the article "Some webcasters plan to go entirely silent, while others plan to replace their music streams with periods of silence interspersed with public service announcements on the subject. (Some webcasters also plan to broadcast or direct listeners to an all-day talk show on the issues produced by WOLF FM's Steve Wolf.)"

Re:Err (2)

DarkZero (516460) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441216)

Yes, yes you do. Why? Because people like TechTV, Slashdot, ZDNet, and Wired will cover it.

Re:Brief panic, then recovery (1)

brodin (200847) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441237)

Shouldn't that be <lameness /> :-)

Re:Brief panic, then recovery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441314)

why?

Re:Brief panic, then recovery (1)

jedir0x (522662) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441687)

why? http://www.w3c.org read up on XML holmes.

Re:Err (2)

56ker (566853) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441273)

Well whenever I check the World Service on BBC's website I get "This programme can not be broadcast over the web due to copyright restrictions" - so they might as well have silence!

Re:Err (2, Funny)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441468)

Looks like ITV digital are supporting this too, as I'm getting the same sort of message. ;)

Please explain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441164)

I'm a first posting moron and I have not been following this fight.

Can you please explain what the situation is?

Re:Please explain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441185)

my god you are such a wanker.
can't even first post!

Re:Please explain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441672)

The RIAA wants every Internet broadcasting site to pay a small fee per song played per user. Even if it's a small fee, it sums up to BIG BUCKS (n songs x m users) that the broadcasting sites cannot afford.

May-Day on the radio (2)

rosewood (99925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441168)

Listen to your favorite radio stations on May-Day. For a VERY long time the DeeJays could not say the words "may day" together such as "Its may-day." Thats a fall back to those old radio days, - where you have to have station recognition every so often, etc. Who knows - but get on the radio waves tomorrow and just yell "ITS MAY-DAY! MAY-DAY!"

Re:May-Day on the radio (0)

HobbitGod42 (568144) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441447)

They also did that becaseu well MAY-DAY is a distress call. I think there are still FCC regulations on it... kinda like shouting FIRE in a crowded movie theater... but what happens when you shout MOVIE in a crowded firehouse?

Re:May-Day on the radio (2)

rosewood (99925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441969)

There are a lot of FCC regulations on a lot of things. "Thats a fall back to those old radio days, - where you have to have station recognition every so often, etc." Why the hell do I now need to hear every 15 minutes (or whatever) that I am listening to KICT T-95.1, FM? Any good talk radio show or morning zoo show just fucking ignores that shitty rule. Thats where this comes into play (now wait for the radio-free internet tie in) - traditional radio is often bound by such really fucking retarded restraints. Im sure some poor pilot is in a storm and all hell is breaking loose and he is on channel 9 yelling may day, may day - need help landing ... but everyone is listening to the morning zoo tell you its a beautiful may day and playing britney spears ... and thats obviously a distress call!

It is pretty clear that itnernet radio has the ability to serve to just as wide of an audience (if not more) as does traditional broadcast radio. (Sure its world wide but computer use is not, but you can always be syndicated on something like Westwood One and be heard is such wonderful parts of the world as NYC, DC, Philly, and Burrlington Iowa!)

See - it all comes together

Re:May-Day on the radio (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441796)

Yeah, that way some guy who really needs help will die! Won't that be hilarious!

Idiot.

I don't see what this has to do with Internet Radio anyway.

Re:May-Day on the radio (2)

rosewood (99925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441948)

No one listening to public FM radio channels is going to think: Holy shit! They just played the new Britney Spears album and now their plane is crashing, time to help! ... while at the same time someone on a CB is flying through a scary storm.

Also, the words May 1 and Radio were said. I put the two together. It would be similar to bringing up communism if an article about russia and open source were to be posted.

fp? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441178)

damn 20 secs

Let's hope... (1)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441182)

That the lawmakers HEAR the silence....

Hrm. (0, Offtopic)

Perianwyr Stormcrow (157913) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441183)

Hooray, hooray, the first of May.

Outdoor fucking starts today.

Hrm? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441448)

Sounds like you're pinching off a log while you read Shitspot: News for turds, stuff that splatters.

Re:Hrm? (-1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441556)

Now that's an idea.

Take a laptop with WLAN to the crapper and you're set for some serious crapflooding...

Lucky me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441184)

That my radio decided to break tonight. So guess
my place will be a Radio Day of Silence.

Pertinent Info (5, Informative)

gvonk (107719) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441186)

Basically, it's good to see mainstream coverage for this story.

Net Radio Fears Heard in Congress [yahoo.com]
Yahoo writeup showing that we just might make a difference.

USAToday Coverage!!! Suave!!! [usatoday.com]

Most importantly, A sample letter [somafm.com] to your congressman.

Of course, all courtesy of SOMAFM, my favorite internet radio group. [somafm.com]

My fave is Groove Salad [somafm.com] (128k pls feed)

And of course... (2)

gvonk (107719) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441258)

...There's also The Enemy [soundexchange.com] .

This site is replete with RIAA whining about the fact that webcasters are "orchestrating a campaign of misinformation" about the fees. There's also proposed fees themselves and the RIAA's rebuttal to common arguments made in letters to editors...

Re:Pertinent Info (1)

Saeger (456549) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441841)

I dig SomaFM's Drone Zone [somafm.com] myself - nice background music to work to while at the same time reducing stress. :)

btw, a few weeks ago I asked somaFM (via email) if they had any plans to offer higher bitrates (up to 256VBR) - since I'd be interested in paying for that kind of quality - and here's the response I got back:

It's not feasible to do 256k feeds. The bandwidth costs alone would
amount to about $60 per user per month. If anything, we'll be
reducing the bandwidth and using OGG format streams...

I don't know if who I was talking to was authoritative or not... but anyway, here's to wish'n that bandwidth was cheaper and that content distribution was smarter.
--

I read the article (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441189)

but you can't hear what I have to say about it.

Re:I read the article (-1, Offtopic)

TrollBurger (575126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441419)

And no one fucking cares

Radio Free Burrito (3, Interesting)

Da Schmiz (300867) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441195)

Wil Wheaton [wilwheaton.net] 's net radio station, the Radio Free Burrito [wilwheaton.net] , will be observing this day of silence as well.

In fact, it will be observing a number of days of silence... quite a number so far.

BTW: Props to michael for the Simon & Garfunkel reference too.

Re:Radio Free Burrito (2)

tolldog (1571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441355)

Perhaps its late....

But I don't see the S&G reference????

-Tim

Re:Radio Free Burrito (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441391)

from the hello-darkness-my-old-friend dept.

and particularly apt would be the closing line "the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenement halls and whispered in the sounds of silence"

Re:Radio Free Burrito (2)

tolldog (1571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441857)

Ah... Thanks... I see it now. I completely missed the small italic font they like to use for the department...

-Tim

shock (0, Redundant)

mlk (18543) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441197)

people want to be paid for there copyright works!

NOOO Say it's not so!

Re:shock (1)

Danse (1026) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441292)

Are you a European troll, a nocturnal troll, or a jobless bum troll?

Then why don't Radio stations pay the fee? (3, Informative)

ouija147 (467204) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441293)

That is the problem with this proposal. AM or FM only Radio stations don't pay this fee.

AM or FM Radio stations that also simulcast on the Internet will pay 0.07 cents per song per listener.

Internet only radio pays twice that fee.

That may not sound like much but do the math. Wolffm will owe $500,000 as soon as this goes into effect. The rate is retroactive.

Netradio liquidated as soon as they heard about this proposal.

This was pushed by the big companies trying to make sure you hear the music in which they have an investment.

If they don't play it, we won't hear it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441483)

Tune in to SOMAfm.com
Listen to a few stations...
Look at the artist/song titles. Ever heard of them before? Probably not.

Betcha want more though, Hmm?

Ever hear stuff this good on a commercial (bland) station? If these guys get snuffed, you lose a wonderful channel for exposure. You'd never hear this great sound otherwise.

Nitin Sawhney, Leggo Beast, De Phazz, Solar House, Tosca, Electric Skychurch, Leftfield, the list goes on and on.

All great. All unknown to me before I tuned in

Re:shock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441825)

people want to be paid for there copyright works!

You're an idiot and this comment proves it. You obviously don't realize that traditional AM/FM broadcasters have never been charged a fee like this.

Hmm (2)

nebby (11637) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441199)

The article says that radio broadcasters will be charged on a per listener per song basis. Is this how normal radio stations are charged? If not, it seems a bit unfair. Hell, even if they are charged that way, it's pretty tough to estimate how many listeners their are to a normal station anyway.

Seems like the same logical fallicy in "per-click" advertising payment models.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441235)

Do all /. posters get a "-1 Poster Has No Life" thou?

[-2, Stupid, Anal, Poster Has No Life]

yes I know AC's post at 0... work it out stupid.

well (3, Insightful)

martissimo (515886) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441241)

i could understand some sort of logical fee arrangement but they are asking internet broadcaster to pay double the rate of terrestrial based radio stations.

i would imagine if they tried to charge these fees of thoose land based stations there would be a huge fit (and many of them out of business shortly)... but since it's the internet the RIAA has to be "tough"

Re:Hmm (2)

bonzoesc (155812) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441243)

Normal radio stations aren't charged per listener, simply because you can't count listeners. I'm not sure about fancy satellite radio and stuff like that, though.

At least per-click advertising is better than "maybe people will click, but we have no way of knowing."

Re:Hmm (3, Informative)

martissimo (515886) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441257)

Normal radio stations aren't charged per listener, simply because you can't count listeners. I'm not sure about fancy satellite radio and stuff like that, though.

incorrect. taken from this article (and many others if you Google a bit) [businessweek.com]

Goldsmith's dream could be short-lived, however. On Feb. 20, the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP), a body appointed by the U.S. Copyright Office, ruled that under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), Internet radio stations must pay the record labels a fee of 0.14 cents per song, per listener. Traditional radio stations would pay 0.07 cents per song, per listener

they do pay fees, just half that of whats being asked of internet radio

Not quite right (3, Insightful)

ouija147 (467204) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441318)

From http://www.saveinternetradio.org/pressroom.asp

HISTORICAL NOTE : Over-the-air radio stations have historically had to pay royalties to composers (in total, about 3% of revenues, via ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC), but not to the record companies or artists, as Congress felt that those parties benefitted sufficiently from the promotional value of radio airplay.

They will not pay this fee. If they did then payments to the RIAA from broadcasters would total $3.3 BILLION and this is even ignoring ignoring overnight.

Re:Hmm (2)

BCoates (512464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441984)

Internet radio stations must pay the record labels a fee of 0.14 cents per song, per listener. Traditional radio stations would pay 0.07 cents per song, per listener

they do pay fees, just half that of whats being asked of internet radio


No, the $.0014 rate is for internet-only broadcasters, and the $.0007 rate is for internet rebroadcasts by a traditional radio station. There will continue to be no royalty to recording companies for analog broadcasts.

--
Benjamin Coates

Re:Hmm (1)

mstyne (133363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441321)

Here at WHRW in Binghamton we pay ASCAP and BMI a flat annual fee. There's no way of telling how many people are listening at any given time with a traditional FM broadcast, although we guesstimate at any given moment we have about 1,500 listeners.

Re:Hmm (2)

BCoates (512464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441965)

The article says that radio broadcasters will be charged on a per listener per song basis. Is this how normal radio stations are charged?

Normal radio stations don't pay the recording companies anything. (there is some history of recording companies paying the radio stations to play certain songs, since it's so good for album sales) They do pay some royalties to people like songwriters and composers (i think?) and I believe many or most online radio stations pay these royalties as well, and that they are reasonable.

That's the whole reason for this uproar; Congress and the RIAA decided that the RIAA was somehow entitled to a cut from digital broadcasts, and then the CARP decided that the cut should be, um, more than the pie.

--
Benjamin Coates

This Can't Fail (1)

IronTek (153138) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441201)

So they're going to show those morons behind the bribes that are behind the bill who's boss by ceasing broadcasts for the day...that'll show 'em!

Actually...since this stupid bill will make payments retroactive, a day of silence could save these internet radio companies quite a bit of money!!! Even better though, it could end up eventually costing the RIAA a little bit of money...and that's better than it costing them nothing...

Re:This Can't Fail (1)

Hyperfrog (575345) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441565)

It could cost the RIAA a lot more. Imagine if this extended to a 'day of silence' involving not buying music CDs for just one day - people have been put out of business like this before.

Yes, the RIAA is trying to do what the government does all the time: collect some more taxes and hope we don't notice. It's a pity they are picking on a crowd with very little money (unlike the Govnmt who pick on salary earners) - basically it does look like they are forcing us (the public) to use 'accepted' channels to get music from. Can anyone see pirate Internet radio stations on the horizen?

RIAA fees and Internet Radio (4, Insightful)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441205)

From what I understand, according to this bill/law/whatever, you're supposed to pay a fee o RIAA for the songs you're playing PER listener. Which makes up for a killer amount of money if you look at stations like DIGITALLY IMPORTED. What I don't understand is, are you supposed to pay a fee to RIAA, even though you're playing music from INDEPENDENT LABELS ONLY ?

I'm asking this because I've been vising the homepages of some internet radio stations that do not depend on RIAA as the "content provider" of their music, but rather play music created by indepandant artists. Yet, all of them seem to be worried about this law. Anyone cares to elaborate ?

Re:RIAA fees and Internet Radio (2)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441804)

It's like MS. They make you pay protection money per computer, even if that computer doesn't have any MS software on it. If you don't pay said protection money, they you have to face their audit. I'm thinking the RIAA has a similar thing going.

Do you really want to trace down the legal history of every song you ever play? What if one of those independant artists once signed a contract that they no longer think applies since the label dropped them like a hot potato? Do you really have the reseouces to do that sort of background check on everything you play, or are you just taking the word of the artist?

I'm not in this industry, so I may be wrong, but I think it's something like that.

The RIAA doesn't care either way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441208)

This one-day blackout will probably be as successful as the Great Slashdot Blackout.

Re:The RIAA doesn't care either way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441227)

Ohh I forgot about that!
Wow, sucksessfull

History behind Labor Day (1)

kcomplex (414253) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441213)

A good history of the May 1st Labor Day and why it takes place in September for those of us in the states is here [indymedia.org] . I hope this day of silence brings attention to the CARP bill and copyright stupidity in general.

College campuses hit hard (3, Interesting)

X-os (470015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441214)

Recently in my school newspaper, there was an article detailing how laws such as the DMCA and other copyright "protection" laws have been making our campus radio station doubt whether it can continue it's online broadcast. We were informed that we would need to buy new hardware and software to monitor what songs were being played and how often, as well as how frequentlty they were aired. They also said that due to certain legislation we would not be able to play whole albums on the air, or multiple songs by the same artist. All in all it was said that we would need to pay back fees (royalties? i'm not sure) somewhere to the tune of $4000, just to keep our internet broadcast up.

i don't know about you, but i think this is a bunch of crap and is limiting the expression of our student body as well as keeping us from using new technology. (being that we're a well known Tech/ Engineering school, you might expect us to do stuff like this.)

oh well thats just my 2 cents.

Re:College campuses hit hard (0)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441901)

No offense, but you don't have the rights todo what you were doing so stop your whining.

Have you ever read the EULA of MPAA or RIAA material? Almost always they mention public broadcasts as prohibited.

I agree it sucks but let's recall some things

1. *You* bought the music
2. *You* agreed to their terms

Suck it up.

Tom

Re:College campuses hit hard (3, Funny)

BCoates (512464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441934)

Have you ever read the EULA of MPAA or RIAA material? Almost always they mention public broadcasts as prohibited.

I'll suspend my disbelief that EULAs have any legal weight at all, and ask where i would find this EULA? I don't recall needing to read, sign or even click through anything while playing my CDs.

--
Benjamin Coates

Re:College campuses hit hard (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441968)

Look on the top of a VHS cassette or the cute little FBI warnings [even funnier when you live in Canada....]

And you don't need to sign something to agree to it or even be bound by it. After all its their content, you're just paying for the right to see it.

You honestly believe when you buy that 20$ DVD that you own the content? Hahahahahaha you make me laugh.

Its been said time and time again. If you don't like the RIAA "way of bidnez" then don't buy RIAA material. Quite simple.

Tom

Denial at its best (0)

unicron (20286) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441223)

"We've decided to postpone the day of silence indefinately"

"You mean the bill went through, don't you?"

"Potato-Patato"

Define success (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441249)

If it's as successful as the /. Blackout of a week ago, there's no telling the havoc that will ensue!

Re:Define success (0)

HobbitGod42 (568144) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441460)

There was a /. blackout? coulda fooled me.

Save Internet Radio (5, Informative)

geekgreg (545135) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441259)

Save Internet Radio [saveinternetradio.org] is a great website, there's lots of information on the bills that are threatening internet radio, and what you can do to help stop them from passing legislation.

Idiot moderators (0)

hettb (569863) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441268)

Mod me down!

Re:Idiot moderators (-1, Offtopic)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441481)

I'd love to mod you down sir, but I have no points with which to do it.

FUCK CHINA!

success? (0, Offtopic)

First_In_Hell (549585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441271)

Hopefully this will be more successful than the Slashdot blackout.

i never listen (1)

andrewtea (208706) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441282)

so i guess ill be doing my part

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Say what? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441294)

Now... how gives a fuck about Internet radio. Isn't that just a waste of bandwidth?

Simple: (3, Interesting)

gerardrj (207690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441296)

Internet broadcasters stations should be subject to the same royalties and restrictions as any other broadcaster. At lest those that are not from the FCC, since no public airwaves are used here. If a radio station has to pay $1000 for an album to be able to play it any time they want in a public forum, then Inet broadcasters should have the same fee.

I think artists/performers/producers do have a right to control their artistic and intellectual property. I don't think the politicians should keep passing bad laws based on information gleened from over-paid lobbyests.

Re:Simple: (1)

thewalledcity (559461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441555)

But many of these stations are going to be charged this fee even when many of the artists it playes are not invovled or helped or controled by the RIAA.

It Should Have Been Called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441300)

T(H)GIRB

The (Hopefully) Great Internet Radio Blackout

Half-off sale (2)

Dan Crash (22904) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441302)

The statutory royalty rate for Internet simulcasts of FM radio broadcasts is only half that of Internet-only broadcasts. So couldn't any web station cut their royalties in half by spending $34.95 (plus shipping) to buy a micro-FM transmitter [ramseyelectronics.com] ? Why not?

Re:Half-off sale (1)

thewalledcity (559461) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441563)

Well there are probably major FCC isues involved. I am sure this loophole only applies to FCC Licensed stations (its not cheap to be licensed)

Re:Half-off sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441814)

Who said you'd need FCC clearance. There are other countries than the US...

You could just broadcast from some remote pacific island with either no FM regulation, or dirt cheap licenses.

Re:Half-off sale (2)

BCoates (512464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441911)

Yeah, you have to be licenced, not just broadcasting on FM to get the lower rate, not that the half-off rate is anywhere near reasonable anyway.

--
Benjamin Coates

Damn Spelling ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441305)

How many times do we have to go through this ... SPELLING is EASY.

It's spelt CRAP ... CRAP ... not CARP.

WHRW, Binghamton (5, Informative)

mstyne (133363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441307)

As General Manager of a small college radio station [whrwfm.org] , here in Binghamton, NY I know a lot of people outside of our listening area depend on our RealAudio feed to get alternative news, music, and opinions. While it might piss them off that we're participating in the Internet Radio Day of Silence, it might make them angry enough to get involved. We have cut our feed and will be running Public Service Announcements on the air to get the word out. It's unfortunate that if CARP's decision goes through, we'll have to pull our Internet Feed. Small stations like ours (broadcast or just Internet) can't afford the high royalties. We already pay ASCAP and BMI, shouldn't that be enough!?

[shameless plug]
Don't let that stop you from tuning in *after* May 1st though!!
[/shameless plug]

Of dinosaurs and mice ... (2, Interesting)

ninewands (105734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441308)

I wonder how long it will be before the dinosaurs' (RIAA and NAB) abusive grasping for control at all costs will attract the asteroid that wipes it out?

I can only hope that it is soon so that the mice (developers of new media and distribution technologies) can attain their rightful ascendancy.

Internet radio threatens the monopoly of the National Association of Broadcasters because no FCC license is required for IP-casting. After all, there is no "common property" (spectrum) occupied when the broadcaster has to pay for the bandwidth it consumes.

Internet radio also threatens the monopoly position of the RIAA because IP-casters can provide airtime to anyone who can provide them an MP3. Indie music can live large on the 'net and the labels DON'T like that one little bit. This may be the motivation for the extortionate royalties awarded by the CRAP^H^H^HARP.

Despite what the article says, the RIAA knew that they had exactly ZERO chance of getting the .4 cents per song that they "sought". They asked for that much and hoped for half that because they knew that even one-half of what they asked for would crush the upstart industry.

A new entertainment industry segment has been temporarily destroyed by the entrenched powers. I say temporarily because, given the quality of the music being pushed^H^H^H^H^H^Hpromoted by the RIAA, it won't be long before the ranks of the indies include everyone worth listening to.

Starve the dinosaurs, support IP-casting!

Re:Of dinosaurs and mice ... (1)

xeromist (443780) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441451)

I'd like to see Microsoft and the RIAA pissed off at each other. I'd say they deserve each other. It would be interesting to see them pick on someone their own size for a change because this abusive bullying of the little guys is getting old.

Question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441316)

Why didn't this topic have This [slashdot.org] picture? It would've been more appropriete.

SomaFM (3, Informative)

saveth (416302) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441380)

It's May 1. And, SomaFM [somafm.com] is still broadcasting.

I don't know if they're supporting the Day of Silence, but every 30 minutes, a short advertisement comes on the air. It always says something to effect of "The RIAA is trying to exercise its control over internet radio. Stop them before you can't hear your favourite artists, again." And, the ad is right. Forcing fees on already underfunded radio stations is terrible for the future of music.

Some of the lesser-known ambient music artists, for example, *ONLY* have their music played on SomaFM. What happens when SomaFM can't afford to keep their station anymore? I call it a tragedy. Call it whatever you want. Either way, it sucks. For us and for them.

Groove Salad. [somafm.com]

Re:SomaFM (2, Interesting)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441500)

Funny that, I just got an Email from SomaFM...

Check SomaFM's channels in about 5 more hours..

I'll let the rest of the friendly rumors come from other sources. :)

How is Internet Radio Different From FM? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441386)

I don't see the difference between the two that would justify such a gap in the royalty fees. How can FM be seen as promotionally benificial to record companies, but Internet Radio isn't? What's the freaking difference? Are they worried about people recording the streams? Umm..have these people ever heard of tape players? Seems to me the average person would know how to tape off their stereos much easier than figuring out how to record the stream off of realplayer or winamp.

Congressmen that get it!!?!?! (2)

cdf12345 (412812) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441411)

20 members of the House, sent a letter last week to Librarian James H. Billington, who's approval is ultimately necessary to begin charging the fees CARP recommended.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/042302/in de x.asp

My friends, please make note if any of these members of the house represent your state, and please remember this the next time you vote.

Oh yeah, vote dammit!

Re:Congressmen that get it!!?!?! (2)

Chops (168851) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441532)

Amen. Patsy Mink (HI) penned the first letter [kurthanson.com] of this type that I know of (on March 13th), by the way.

The congressfolk who signed the letter were (sorted by state):
  • AZ: Jeff Flake
  • CA: Anna Eshoo
  • CA: Michael Honda
  • CA: Tom Lantos
  • CA: Zoe Lofgren
  • FL: Corrine Brown
  • FL: Ander Crenshaw
  • IL: Lane Evans
  • UT: Chris Cannon
  • VA: Rick Boucher
  • VA: James Moran
  • WA: Brian Baird
  • WA: Norman Dicks
  • WA: Jennifer Dunn
  • WA: Doc Hastings
  • WA: Jay Inslee
  • WA: Rick Larsen
  • WA: George Nethercutt
  • WA: Adam Smith
Unfortunately, there are two Tim Johnsons (one in the senate from South Dakota, one in the house from Illinois.) One of them signed the letter, and I don't know which one. Does anyone know?

In any case, Inslee, Cannon, and Boucher wrote the letter, and the rest of 'em signed off on it. Sending any of these nice ladies and gentlemen $50 (come on, you can afford it) with a note explaining why will do more to protect net radio than a year's worth of slashdot stories.

And, oh yeah, vote.

There are no trolls yet on this topic (-1, Troll)

TrollBurger (575126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441414)

Doing my part
Click here [goatse.cx]

hrm (0)

HobbitGod42 (568144) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441432)

isn't this what the CARP bill wants to do? Basically they are not making a stand they are folding. what I would do is maintain service but play ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO! or even better after the CARP bill shuts em down continue to play music even though they are shut down.

There's a problem with playing nothing but silence (5, Funny)

Ilan Volow (539597) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441488)

What's to keep mimes from capturing the music stream, burning mp3's of it, and then sharing it on KaZaA? Until we can eliminate piracy of silence, I seriously doubt we'll get the record industry to shut up.

On the Mexican oh... a-Radio... (1)

Vidmaster_Steve (455301) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441497)

Awhile back, some friends and I were lamenting the obscene amount of "power" that Diz-nee and co. have. One of us piped up "why don't we just set up a pirate teevee station, place the transmitter on Indian land?"

Could the govies/Disney pursue suit, should we be about six feet into Indian land and broadcasting Disney movies over free air?

Just curious.

(also, I could have SWORN that I saw said Screensavers interview a month ago)

DNA Lounge silent. Damn the Man! Damn the Man! (5, Informative)

Jamie Zawinski (775) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441502)


I took the DNA Lounge webcast and archives [dnalounge.com] down for the day, as well as the audio portion of the video webcast. [dnalounge.com] Well actually I replaced it with a synthesized voice explaining why there's no music. If you run your own webcast, I hope you'll do something similar, to help shake the listeners into action.

I've written up an explanation [dnalounge.com] of how the webcasting rules currently work, and how they will work if the CARP crap goes through. The whole situation is fairly egregious, and shafts the small operator far more than it will affect the major corporations who are able to play in the same sandbox as the Big Five who control 90%+ of the global entertainment industry.

This is all about legislating the internet out of existence, to preserve their previous and now-obsolete business model.

Under the new rules, if a webcast had only a single listener -- the webcaster -- he would be expected to pay $184/year for streaming music to himself!

Open source music (3, Informative)

jonasndiku.dk (547971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441582)

What is the problem ? Why do slashdot users keep promoting commercial music and ignoring the free multimedia scene (scene.org) :-) ? Try scenemusic.net which has a playlist of 9095 free mp3s. You can actually download the source code to most of the music (.mod, .xm etc.). Commercial netradios could also learn from it's advanced request and comment system.

Re:Open source music (1)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441937)

We keep promoting commercial music because some of us actually like to listen to: Pink Floyd, The Police, Skinny Puppy, Yes, Nine Inch Nails, Art of Noise, Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, Enya, or any of the other vast majority of commercially published bands.

Don't expect me to abandon music I like just because it costs money.

Please keep in mind that it's not just the In-Style-Band-of-the-Day radio stations that broadcast on the net, but classic-rock, jazz, and other established genre's do too.

Re:Open source music (1)

jonasndiku.dk (547971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3442016)

I don't at all. It was only meant as an informative message. I was just trying to use the "slashdot rhetorics". I guess "Don't expect me to abandon software I like just because it costs money" is the standard thought the first time you hear about oss. But like with oss you will be surprised of the quality of this "scenemusic" (at least I'm impressed).

May 1st (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441642)

"May 1 is Labor Day throughout most of the world except the U.S"

And Europe, and Africa and ... well everywhere actually since Labour Day.

May 6th is Labour day.

Internet Radio killed the video stars! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441712)

Internet radio killed the video stars!

Bandwidth (1)

blixel (158224) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441818)

Hundreds of Internet radio stations and channels across America are shutting off their music streams on Wednesday, May 1st

Hundreds of broadcasters, thousands of listeners. I wonder how much bandwidth this will "free up" for the day?

Come to Canada (1)

Retief65 (539644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441874)

Screw the RIAA. All net radio stations should relocate to Canada. We're more wired than the US (per capita), business costs (including connectivity) are cheaper, and we don't give a rat's ass what big US record companies think. Just make sure to play a Canadian song every now and then and the government will love you all over.

Free Market (2, Insightful)

seven89 (303868) | more than 12 years ago | (#3441985)

The situation might benefit from a truly free-market solution. Content producers, copyright holders, etc., should be able to set whatever terms they like, which potential users, broadcasters, etc., could accept or reject. In practice, this would mean going through clearinghouse type organizations. Stations would pick the clearinghouses they wish to deal with.

The only real justification for the old system was the difficulties of detailed record-keeping in pre-computer era. Now that such fine points can be automated, there is no reason at all for governmental bodies to impose uniform fees and procedures on everyone.

By the way, I don't believe that "the free market" is a universal solution to every situation, I just think it would work well in this particular situation.

YAY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3441994)

This rocks [radiokaos.com]
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