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Give the Smuggler a hug! (-1)

Grape Smuggler (569838) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469209)

A Loooooow HUG!

Oooh, yeah, that's the stuff!

Find a mirror? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469217)

Other sites just get blindly /.'d without any regard for mirroring or performance concerns. I guess Redhat is special!

What a coincidence (0)

PD (9577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469219)

I just bought a CD burner yesterday! Now I get to use it for something. I was actually hoping that Woody would be finalized, but this will do for now.

You *just* bought a CD-R? (-1)

Grape Smuggler (569838) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469298)

Got tired of installing Linux from floppies?

Re:You *just* bought a CD-R? (-1)

L1nUx h4x0r (574828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469385)

He kept hearing the record companies telling him that CDs were a fad.

Re:What a coincidence (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469401)

Iwouldnt do that man, I burnt linux on my burner and it wrecked it, nasty fire I tell you. DONT DO IT, USE WINDOWS.

First! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469221)

I will be the first to get it and the first to reply!

fp nigerz (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469222)

fp nigerz!

KDE3 (3, Interesting)

magicslax (532351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469224)

you'd think they would have touted kde3 a bit more instead of putting it at the bottom of the list. isn't this the first major distro to ship with the newest version of kde?

Re:KDE3 (4, Insightful)

GrenDel Fuego (2558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469239)

Suse 8.0 includes KDE 3.0, and was released last month.

Re:KDE3 (0)

dmarien (523922) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469245)

click through to their second page of new features. it's first on that list.

Re:KDE3 (1)

1+(smarterThanYou) (539258) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469252)

I thought that Suse 8.0 had already shipped in mid to late April. It was to include KDE 3 as well.

Re:KDE3 (3, Funny)

Mandi Walls (6721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469256)

eh, they're a buncha crazy gnome freaks.

bastards like python, too.

may as well just put hot pokers in my eyes.

--mandi
(fan of purple linux...)

Re:KDE3 (1)

nuOpus (463845) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469263)

No .... SuSE comes with KDE3

Re:KDE3 (1)

prmths (325452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469286)

I have a couple friends doing Debian packaging. I believe they'll be shipping with KDE3 on the next release...

But anyways, It's nice to see a few new things with out-of-the-box releases.

I've never really tried redhat - but I have tried Mandrake - I wasnt too thrilled about the autoconfig programs trying to tell me that the default out of the box NVidia driver is better than the one i had.. Ended up disabling all that stuff, and eventually switched back to my first distro, slackware...

I know redhat does a lot of auto-config stuff.. How well does it work?

Re:KDE3 (1)

jonathan_ingram (30440) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469378)

I believe they'll be shipping with KDE3 on the next release


It won't be in Woody, which will become Debian 3.0. It's not even in Sid yet.

Re:KDE3 (2)

Diabolical (2110) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469292)

Actually, SuSE 8.0 ships since a couple of weeks with KDE3. So, no, Red Hat isn't the first one to ship with KDE3. I don't know if there are other distro's shipping with KDE3...

Re:KDE3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469293)

I'm pretty sure I was able to
cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3
make install clean
some time ago. But, I suppose you're special, too...

Re:KDE3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469321)

KDE3 rocks, btw. And http://www.kde-look.org/ [kde-look.org] has some really neat eye-candy to make it even better.

Finnaly.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469225)

wow, 7.2.97 was fun, but buggy... this better be better..

Missed it by that much. (1)

Chris Hiner (4273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469226)

Of course, I had to install 7.2 yesterday on a machine that couldn't wait. (I saw the closed 7.3 dir, and knew they'd release it the day after I installed 7.2.)

Maybe next time.

Whats new Link (5, Informative)

bruceg (14365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469227)

HERE [redhat.com] is a link to whats new in this release.

What's new? (2)

Delirium Tremens (214596) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469265)

Mozilla 0.9.2 !?
Isn't that a little conservative?

Re:What's new? (5, Informative)

Delirium Tremens (214596) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469296)

Alright, it is probably a typo in their release notes. The full package list [redhat.com] says Mozilla 0.9.9 . Way better.

Re:What's new? (1)

*xpenguin* (306001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469308)

They also screwed up their <title> on that page.

Re:Whats new Link (2, Interesting)

christooley (215314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469269)

Thankfully their "New Features" page is wrong. It lists the new Mozilla build as 0.9.2 but the RPM for the installation is for 0.9.9. On the other hand I notice that the page title still reads "New Features for RedHat Linux 7.2" so it's probably not done yet. :)

Oh brother... (2, Offtopic)

Linux Freak (18608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469229)

Just great, now my LAME Guide [linuxninja.com] is even _MORE_ out of date. ;^)

Re:Oh brother... (1)

magicslax (532351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469259)

so take it down! please! one of the biggest obstacles i faced when trying to 'learn' linux was the vast ammount of horribly out of date liturature online. does a newbie really want to see this? [linuxninja.com] you're doing more harm than good, i say.

Re:Oh brother... (1, Offtopic)

Linux Freak (18608) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469437)

Well sue me for not having had the time (YET) to update it. I do have a pre-release of the next version. Now I'll need to update it to 7.3, but one of these days...

It's considered bad form to complain about volunteer efforts, btw. Maybe if you pay me the salary I am earning at my full-time job I could quit it and devote more time on things like LAME.

By the way, a newbie guide written for Red Hat is considered "Off topic"? What moderator and what drug?

Great plug, way to show off your skills (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469376)

I was very impressed by your LAME guide, as well as your attempt to gain some kind of acceptance from slashdotters (who are mostly "linux gurus" like yourself [read: use linux sometimes, know a smattering of C and perl]). Your website is 'codingstyle.com', but according to news posted there, you don't know anything about compiler design. Maybe if you were a CS student you would, eh?

hopefully it's better than the latest Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469231)

http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24861.html for the registers first look.

That review is ridiculous (2)

Apostata (390629) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469338)

Regarding that review, the guy may have some salient points (XFS), but he goes about it like an absolutely elitist asshole. Half the time he doesn't explain what kind of errors he's experiencing, nor does he attempt to troubleshoot. Lastly, and most clearly, his level of professional journalism is revealed in his childish anti-Gnome rant which - to this - reader dropped any respect I had for his article down 10 places.
Mandrake 8.2 is not the Grail, but to call it a f'ing disaster is just juvenile.

In related news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469233)

Adore 7.2 patches out now.

Nice spoiler, jerk! (5, Funny)

PD (9577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469236)

Press release doesn't contain any surprises, just lists a bunch of stuff thats included with the dist. (Evolution, Mozilla, Apache)

Well thanks a lot, jerk. Some of us in California haven't even had a chance to read it yet, and you've given away the ending. Didn't the negative feedback from the Lone Gunmen snafu teach you anything?

Sheesh!

Linux still sucks (-1, Flamebait)

weird mehgny (549321) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469240)

This doesn't change any facts. A new version number? Great, but this new kernal still sucks compared to a real OS e.g. Windows XP.

Re:Linux still sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Cnik70 (571147) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469262)

troll flame bait.....

OS2 Rullz (-1, Offtopic)

Tungursk (513343) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469279)

Yeah... Lets start again one funny OS-A vs OS-B talkshow (read WAR) :)
Or maybe even new poll !

and is not nor will be downloadable for a while (1, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469241)

It's not available on any mirrors or the ftp.redhat.com site.

Hmmm. I wonder if they are going to pull a Suse and not offer iso's anymore.

Re:and is not nor will be downloadable for a while (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469273)

Ack ,call me stupid and beat me over the head...

Where I looked I didn't see it but it's there in my face... Valhalla is the name of it..

Yes it's there on msu.edu so the redhat ftp server it must be lurking somewhere...

Re:and is not nor will be downloadable for a while (1)

havardw (180104) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469295)

I'll tell you which mirror I'm getting 500 KB/s from after I finish my download. ;)

Re:and is not nor will be downloadable for a while (1)

NickisGod.com (453769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469297)

It's not available on any mirrors or the ftp.redhat.com site.

Downloading it right now. Check the .edu's.

Re:and is not nor will be downloadable for a while (1)

dstanley (244917) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469302)

You must have looked too soon.
I saw the iso's sitting there. I just hope my usual mirrors have them so I can get them after work.

Re:and is not nor will be downloadable for a while (1)

brodiedreamyou.ca (542180) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469313)

No actually it is avaliable right now, i'm downloading it from the official ftp right now. Most of the mirrors arn't updated yet though.

What, no Red Hat 8.0? (1)

bytor4232 (304582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469243)

Isn't Red Hat supposed to go x.0, x.1, then x.2? Whats with x.3? A real break from their traditional release model.

Re:What, no Red Hat 8.0? (2, Informative)

Nighttime (231023) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469328)

Redhat only increment the major version number if the release will break binaries compatability.

Re:What, no Red Hat 8.0? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469339)

Means they've got nothing to say that they hadn't already said in 7.2; ie nothing to justify any more than a point release...

Re:What, no Red Hat 8.0? (2, Informative)

Burnon (19653) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469351)

The story (as I've heard it, mostly just speculation) is that 8.0 will come when there are enough changes to justify some major breakage in compatibility. I guess the new version of gcc isn't where it needs to be for Red Hat to switch to it, nor is GNOME 2 ready. No kernel 2.6.x, no new glibc, etc... Everything else (even KDE3 I guess) is considered to be more evolutionary, rather than revolutionary.

A Question (5, Interesting)

Jouster (144775) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469247)

With up2date, how much longer can RedHat release CDs?

It has been our policy at work for some time now to grab whatever the latest release is, run up2date on it, and modify a CD image of the old CD so it has the new RPMs.

Is this prevalent? Will it become more so?

Jouster

Excellent (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469250)

For all my mission critical systems I always deploy RedHat Linux, coupled with the excellent EXT2 filesystem and MySQL.

Beat my uptime! [netcraft.com]

Re:Excellent (1, Troll)

Apostata (390629) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469363)

...and when my man comes home from a tough day at the office, he wants Stove Top Stuffing. Stove Top; no other stuffing will do.

Re:Excellent (2)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469440)

Beat my uptime!


Wow; 10 days on Windows XP!? You mean you either didn't have to reboot or have to put in a security patch in a 10-day span?


My longest uptime on my personal box was 4 months. Then my uni cut the power -- damn them, and I didn't even have a good UPS.

Skewed Information (0, Troll)

Qwerpafw (315600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469251)

Just because slasdhot's readers mainly use linux doesn't mean that we need to almost facetiously notify readers of all the patches et etc.

I mean, most people would complain, wouldn't they, if slashdot ran a headline "Microsoft releases Windows update--adds minro functionality change and stability" or "Apple release new MacOS X change. Nothing much new". Just because its "news for nerds" doesn't mean the editors should ignore the "stuff that matters" part.

The vast majority of people who read slashdot are probably more interested in things like NASA, copyright law developments, et etc. It might be nice if there were a slashdot page specifically for linux kernel, distro, et etc updates. ala apple.slashdot.org, perhaps.

Just a thought (not a flame.)

Oh, and BTW, I'm going to download 7.3 now ;)

What? No 8.0 (0, Redundant)

graystar (223824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469257)

When was the last time there was a x.3 release? I am disappointed, I was expecting version 8 by now...it musnt be as good as they thought!

Re:What? No 8.0 (1)

essdodson (466448) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469439)

Yes, everyone knows that version numbers are all that matter. I'm sure if FreeBSD bumped to 11.0 you guys would swarm to it.

conflicted information (1)

sebol (112743) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469261)

http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/rhl_new_featu res.html [redhat.com] mentioned that, mopzilla is 0.9.2
but
http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/pl_rhl.html [redhat.com] said it's 0.9.9

and with galeon 1.2.0 too :)
Yes!

Re:conflicted information (1)

Burnon (19653) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469365)

Yeah - I noticed that too. I sent a message to the webadmin - I wonder if they'll fix it.

thanks (not) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469264)

I am watching the throughput on my mirror download drop from the 162.94 kB/s I got for disk one to less than 60 since this announcement on /. Now I'll have to wait till this afternoon to install! I guess I should be happy I got this much so far, though.

Is This a Stable Release? (1)

ras_b (193300) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469266)

I thought RedHat's stable, production level releases all were *.2 (i don't remember a 6.3, and 6.2 was the release for a while). Is this considered a stable release that can be used in production systems?

Re:Is This a Stable Release? (2, Informative)

ispel (266661) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469398)

I thought RedHat's stable, production level releases all were *.2 (i don't remember a 6.3, and 6.2 was the release for a while). Is this considered a stable release that can be used in production systems?

The 7.3 version number indicates that the release is a incremental upgrade from (the excellent Redhat 7.2), w/o major feature changes.

It's my understanding that Redhat considers all their numbered non-beta releases to be stable and production ready. Their 7.0 release had some major component upgrades which gave their x.0 releases a bad wrap for some people, however, the issues (with GCC, security fixes) were fixed timely in the form of downloadable upgrades. The 7.x series has been great and rock-solid on the desktop (I've been using 7.1 and 7.2 as my desktop at home), and I'm looking forward to trying 7.3.

mirror mirror on the wall.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469267)

I got a mirror [209.242.124.241] for you all.

Mirrors are found :-) (5, Informative)

French Thias (188992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469270)


I've put up a list of mirror servers that are known to be fully synced with the release here :

http://freshrpms.net/mirrors/valhalla.html [freshrpms.net]

I've also already rebuilt a pre-configured apt and its reposiroty for use with Valhalla, as well as many custom packages (lame, gkrellm, glimmer, nessus, xmame...)

Having already tested it a bit, I must say this release looks darn good and stable so far! Maybe it's because there are fewer changes than usual (which explains this being 7.3 and not 8.0).

Matthias

Remember folks! (2)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469371)

If you can bet better than bitrate on a mirror; it's not there!

Anyone used MrProject? (1)

nagora (177841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469271)

Project management is one of those "Linux still doesn't have ..." items that MS'er come out with and its something our growing company is going to need soon, so has anyone used it "for real"?

TWW

Re:Anyone used MrProject? (1)

prmths (325452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469409)

I have the power management functions i need up and running.. I never trusted the HD shutdown thing in *any* OS..also never trusted the full sleep function on *any* os.. that includes windows which claims to be king of power management. Besides that, I have the basics like screen blanking, auto-shutoff, battery monitoring, etc on my C Series Fujitsu lifebook (Slackware 8, 2.4.18-pre9) via APM .. It works great... The problem is when you have issues with power management under windows (like i always did) you just shrug it off as a hardware incompatibility.. if people have trouble with it under linux.. then they assume something's wrong with the OS. Power management has always been problematic for me... and I've just learned to avoid certain aspects of it... regardless of OS.

Re:Anyone used MrProject? (1)

nagora (177841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469451)

I agree with and understand everything you said, but I was asking about the project management software in 7.3.

TWW

Re:Anyone used MrProject? (0, Troll)

essdodson (466448) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469449)

Ick! We all know that this would be determental to Linux. Productivity is something we choose to leave for Microsoft to handle. We may not actually get anything done, but damnit, I've got the source! That's what matters, right?

openoffice? (1)

guacamolefoo (577448) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469280)

I didn't see open office listed - is this going to be included with the 7.3 standard package?

Guac-foo.

LUNIX SUCKS! LOLOLOLOL! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469284)

LUNIX SUCKS! LOLOLOLOL!

versions questions.... (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469289)

What version of xfree comes with the new distro? Specifically, can it support a SiS 6326 card?

Re:versions questions.... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469377)

You'll be lucky (or clever) if it does... I used to have a 6326 and nothing supported it; I ended up having to get a new mobo... (btw, I can recommend nvidia's Geforce cards).

Re:versions questions.... (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469447)

the most recent version of xfree has support for it, but it is extremely buggy and slow. worse, SiS seems to have no interest in developing a driver for it, so it's up to the community to write one. i havent checked on the status of the driver in a while, maybe i should do that. i'd but a new card, but money is a bit hard to come by for me recently. I'd also help xfree out, but i dont have experience or anything dealing with hardware interactions.

Something's broken... (1, Funny)

Voidhobo (219337) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469306)

[red@hat]# apt-get dist-upgrade
bash: apt-get: command not found

Anybody else experiencing this problem?

Re:Something's broken... (2)

Enry (630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469325)

Depending on how Debian works at times, that's not exactly a problem...

-Enry
Running Debian unstable and RH 7.1 servers

Install apt4rpm (2)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469335)

and watch it go away

Don't think I'll go that way again... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469307)

After a brief fling with Slackware, I used RH from 5.2 to 7.1, learning to live with and work around their broken packages.

I switched to Mandrake 8.1 and liked it, but IMHO 8.2 was rushed out the door too quickly, and I love it no more. :-(

Now I'm just hanging out for Woody to be released...

Re:Don't think I'll go that way again... (3, Insightful)

spongman (182339) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469402)

why wait?

seriously, Woody is more stable than most other distros even before release. Yes, it's still got a few critical bugs, but they're mostly for non-x86 platforms. it's not like getting the final bits is going to be any harder than typing 41 characters.

red hat 7.3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469318)

enough of this crap don't we have enough already. Linux is all about cash now, I mean i can purchase windows and linux for the same price. Who wants to sit and configure their system so it can work while windows already does it for you sure its neat but its a waist of my time i have better things to do than to search for a driver so my sound card can work or to configure the damn mouse for crying out loud

Re:red hat 7.3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469366)

I agree Linux bites, They should outlaw it in north america, and only be allowed to use it in Ethiopia.

Differences from Beta? (1)

Bilbo (7015) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469319)

I just finished downloading the recent RH Beta release and burning to CD, though I haven't had a chance to install anywhere yet. Anyone know of differences between the Beta and the official release?

Re:Differences from Beta? (1)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469442)

Bug fixes?

dawgnabit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469324)

Dude this is rediculous, I JUST finished compiling KDE for my fresh install of RH. And if you have never done it before, on my K6-2 500 it took about 18-20 hours of pure compilation not including the configure scripts and installs. I just paid about 60 dollars for 7.2 becuase now Redhat doesn't release the workstation version. Will they please this time release a cheaper (@ 30 bucks) workstation buid? I dont mind giving money to the "cause" but 60 bucks is pushing it with my small amount of unemployment money.

x.3 release (5, Interesting)

Goronguer (223202) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469334)

This may be a minor point, but Red Hat deserves credit for calling this release "7.3" instead of "8.0". Especially when their pattern for years now has been x.0, x.1, x.2, x+1.0..., it shows admirable restraint for them to break the pattern and resist the temptation to call this a major-version release, when it is in fact an update release. Let's hear it for truth in advertising!

Who cares? (2, Insightful)

glrotate (300695) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469374)

They could call it 7.2345346 or 56.8. I think most Gnu/Linux users try to be a bit more rational than to worry about whatever version number they decide to slap on it.

I think Red Hat should be given credit based on the quality of the release, not the version number.

So... (1)

NickisGod.com (453769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469336)

So, do I need to download all three discs, or will they let me get away with one, like Mandrake and Debian do?

This isn't a troll. I'd truly like to know...

Old version of Mozilla? (1)

Fatal (31133) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469354)

Redhat 7.3 only comes packaged with Mozilla 0.9.2 according to the release notes. Isn't that a bit old? I would have expected 0.9.9 at least!

Re:Old version of Mozilla? (4, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469423)

Error in the announcement. It's actually 0.9.9.

From looking at the release notes (5, Insightful)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469368)

It seems that if you have RH7.2 and you have run up2date weekly you have everything except for Moz, kde3, Evolution, and some gnome collab app. Since I've been running kde 3 since the release and have Moz 1.0-RC1, I see no need to download the ISO's.

Re:From looking at the release notes (2, Interesting)

Burnon (19653) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469452)

I've noticed a serious improvment in kernel interactivity. GUI applications on the 2.4.9-ish kernels that Red Hat was shipping for 7.2 ran like a dog whenever I tried to run a build or two of a large software project in the background.

I had been applying the preemptive kernel patches, which improved things a little, but still left GUI response jerky (completely subjective on my part). The 2.4.18-ish kernels in the 7.3 beta didn't have this responsiveness problem at all.

So, if you aren't into rolling your own kernels, and you frequently find your CPU load higher than 1, the upgrade may be worth it for you for that alone.

Linux is dying! (0, Offtopic)

essdodson (466448) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469392)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: Linux is dying


One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Linux community when IDC confirmed that Linux market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers> Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Linux has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Linux is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict Linux's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Linux faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Linux because Linux is dying. Things are looking very bad for Linux. As many of us are already aware, Linux continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeLinux is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenLinux leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenLinux. How many users of NetLinux are there? Let's see. The number of OpenLinux versus NetLinux posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetLinux users. Linux/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetLinux posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Linux/OS. A recent article put FreeLinux at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeLinux users. This is consistent with the number of FreeLinux Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeLinux went out of business and was taken over by LinuxI who sell another troubled OS. Now LinuxI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. Linux continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Linux is dead.

Fact: Linux is dying


Oh wait, nevermind

Unfair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469395)

Hey! How come they can release it with Mozilla? Isn't that anti competative? I think they should make a modular version of Red Hat so that OEMs can include IE if they choose (and IF MS would write a version of IE for such a buggy OS).

Gnome programs (1)

daserver (524964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469400)

What strikes me about the release notes is that allthough kde 3.0 is a big update there is no kde programs mentioned.
Instead they show us all the great gnome office programs, gnomemeeting evolution.... And yes gnome 1.4.1 is also mentioned so it's not to compensate.. :)

Re:Gnome programs (2)

Enry (630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469428)

Red Hat effectively started GNOME, or at least was heavily involved with the beginning of it. There were a few releases where they did not distribute KDE because it was not GPL'd. Red Hat has a very long history with GNOME, and so it doesn't suprise me that they would emphasize their GNOME apps over the KDE ones.

Try it in Test Drive (5, Informative)

Test Drive (236441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469415)

I have our Red Hat Test Drive system updated now to Red Hat 7.3. As always, accounts [compaq.com] with us are free, and you get access to a number of different systems [compaq.com] . Try out the latest releases of operating systems on our hardware before you commit it to your own!

Features.... (1, Redundant)

DeadBugs (546475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469426)

I'm still waiting on Mozilla 1.0, KDE 3.1, GCC 3.0 but here's the list anyway...
Here's the full package list [redhat.com]

KDE 3.0 Open Source graphical desktop environment

Quick access to programs, utilities, and tools

Customizable desktop for added convenience

Manage settings easily with KDE Control Center

Applications include Konquerer file manager and internet browser, KInternet automatic Internet dialer, KOffice Office Suite, and Kooka multimedia viewer.

GNOME 1.4 with Nautilus File Manager

Seamlessly view content locally or on the internet via URL-based naming.

Choose the right user interface for your level of expertise, from novice to expert.

Evolution comprehensive personal management system integrates e-mail, calendar, and contact information functionality:

Evolution Mailer -- e-mail environment with features enabling you to easily create, send, forward, save, and print e-mail using standard POP3 and IMAP protocols.

Evolution Calendar -- keep track of appointments, deadlines, and task lists.

Evolution Contact Manager --maintain lists of people and their phone numbers, addresses, and other identifying information.

XFree86 4.2.0 for improved graphic display and hardware support

GNOME Meeting video conferencing solution

MrProject open source project management software

Updated Mozilla Web browser

Printing Configuration Tool

Scalable printing configuration architecture that supports over 500 printers

Automatically upgrades older systems configured with printtool

Redesigned boot program speeds system startup.

USB 2.0 support

Improved support for digital cameras with gPhoto2, gtKam, and Kamera Server Features

Complete Web, mail, ftp, file and print servers included.

Apache Configuration Tool

Quick configuration of Apache options

Easily create and manage multiple virtual hosts

BIND Configuration Tool

Simple setup of forward and backward name resolutions and DNS lookups.

LPRng and CUPS print daemons

Sendmail and Postfix message transfer agents (MTAs) with switching tool

LBA48/ATA133 support for drives > 137GB

Updated PostgreSQL open source database System Security and Administration Features

Firewall Configuration during installation allows you to select from three predefined levels of security or customize your own security level.

Graphical Kickstart Configuration

Red Hat Network maintains system security Upgraded Core System Components

The following major system components are included in Red Hat Linux 7.3:

2.4.18 kernel

gcc 2.96-RH

glibc 2.2.4

XFree86 4.2.0

Mozilla 0.9.2

OpenMotif 2.1.30

Perl 5.6.1

Apache 1.3.23-9

Prez Sez: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469427)

Linux is for losers. Take the advice of the president and stop using crappy Linux operating systems. I find it highly amusing that Lusers have decided to construct this totally haphazardly functioning OS from scratch, when the Berkely license code was already very mature out in the wild. Morons.

Bush loves WINDOWS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469433)

BOYCOT LINUX it is Osama's operating system. Download the new osama bin linux at the afghan mirror site ftp://69.69.69.69

crap! (1)

0x20 (546659) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469436)

I just finished downloading the skipjack ISOs about 30 minutes ago.

Does anyone know the differences between skipjack and valhalla?

Did anyone else notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469443)

that the features link shows "Red Hat 7.2"?

no Enlightenment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3469446)

Where is Enlightenment in this release?

Valhalla? (1)

MJArrison (154721) | more than 12 years ago | (#3469454)

So what does Valhalla mean? I found a lot of google hits, but what is RedHat specifically referring to?
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