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Attack of the Clones Cut in UK

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the jar-jar-still-in-it-unfortunately dept.

Star Wars Prequels 481

MartyJG writes "The British Board of Film Classification has demanded a cut in Ep2 AOTC for a head-butt. I don't know which is more extreme: UK viewers insisting on viewing the US version for 1 second of extra film, or that a 1 second cut means the difference between a '12' (~PG-13) and a 'PG' certificate. For some reason the distributors must think fewer people would see the film if it was a '12'. The film report is on the BBFC website."

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CmdrTaco on Thursday (557269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3489974)

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Re:Fp instructions (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490101)

I am real stoned and real bored and real hungry.

First ... (-1, Offtopic)

Big Dogs Cock (539391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490149)

... congratulations on an excellent logged-in first post post.

Jar-Jar (-1, Offtopic)

CaptainMunchies (458558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3489977)

No! They must cut out Jar-Jar wherever they can!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3489978)

fp

the most extreme... (0)

fredrik70 (161208) | more than 12 years ago | (#3489983)

...thing is that it gets cut in the first place...

CmdrTaco - US Flag Desecrator & Anti-Deleware! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3489985)

As noted on the Smithsonian Institution's site [si.edu] , the first official American flag had thirteen stars and thirteen stripes, each representing one of the thirteen original states.

The flag icon for Slashdot's 'United States' section is missing its first stripe - the stripe that represents Delaware, the first state admitted to the Union. While a simple oversight could be forgiven, it should be known from here on out that Slashdot is in fact aware of the missing stripe, and even worse, refuses to do anything about it [sourceforge.net] !

This vulgar flag desecration and rabid anti-Delawarism must be put to a stop. Let the Slashdot crew know that we will not accept a knowingly mutilated flag or the insinuation that Delawarians deserve to be cut out of the union. I ask you, what has Delaware done to deserve this insolence, this wanton disregard, this bigotry?

Eh? (0, Offtopic)

UnConeD (576155) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490001)

It's just a stupid piece of textile. You Americans are way too attached to symbols: get out more.

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490158)

You Americans are way too attached to symbols: get out more.

We Americans don't live in the UK. Get out more.

Re:CmdrTaco - US Flag Desecrator & Anti-Delewa (0, Offtopic)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490024)

Are you sure it's the Delaware stripe? Maybe Delaware is at the bottom and it's Virginia that's been cut.

PG vs. 12 certificate (5, Funny)

dazed-n-confused (140724) | more than 12 years ago | (#3489987)

For some reason the distributors must think fewer people would see the film if it was a '12'.

My daughter is four, and she's looking forward to the new Star Wars film. So that's one.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (-1, Offtopic)

horace (29145) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490000)

And my six year old

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

filth grinder (577043) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490002)

For some reason the distributors must think fewer people would see the film if it was a '12'. Too bad the distributors don't think that more people would see the movie if it were actually good.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

bytor4232 (304582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490009)

My daughter is two and wants to see it! I don't think a "head butt" is going to scar her.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (5, Funny)

Dante_H (537218) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490146)

My daughter is two and [...] I don't think a "head butt" is going to scar her.

Jesus, your daughter must be tough. Last time that happened to me I cried like a girl.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490021)

I don't know how it is in UK. But she obviously won't be attenting the film alone. In the US underaged children can attend a film if accompanied by an adult (except kids under 2 can never go to an R rated movie).

So anyone under 12 will probally be with an adult anyway. So what does it matter? But still it is silly that 1 head butt changes the rating.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490040)

In Canada even with an adult children can't goto R rated movies. I suspect the same is true for the states. Isn't there an NC-17 rating similar to the canadian AA? I think that's what you meant because in Canada kids can goto AA movies with adults.

Tom

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

gaudior (113467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490054)

Other way around. NC-17 means No Children. Period. R means Restricted. Under 17 can still attend with a 'Gaurdian' like your friend's older cousin.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490088)

Gotcha... sorry I don't live in the states... Although I do work for a U.S movie company [starts with A ends with MC]

Tom

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490066)

No sorry that's backwards - R movies can be seen by children with adults and NC-17 is restricted to 17 and up only (No Children under 17)

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (3, Informative)

dylan_- (1661) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490049)

In the UK, children under 12 aren't allowed to view a 12 rated film, even with an adult. PG (parental guidance) is the rating for "under 12 with adult".

It's kind of interesting that cutting bits off people is OK, but headbutts are out....

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1, Troll)

tomgilder (255203) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490115)

In the UK, children under 12 aren't allowed to view a 12 rated film, even with an adult. PG (parental guidance) is the rating for "under 12 with adult".
However the BBFC are looking into changing this. In the easter school holidays they ran some trial tests at a few cinemas where they allowed under-12's to view 12-rated films with an adult. From what I heard the trials were a big success.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (4, Insightful)

Ngwenya (147097) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490153)

I guess they figure that young kids are not that likely to lop somebody in two with a light sabre, but they're pretty likely to stick the nut into some little kiddy's face.

I don't really have a problem with the BBFC's decision. The film makers are perfectly entitled to say "Fuck you, the headbutt stays". It's just that they have to accept a 12 certificate. Which means lower revenue (gee, a whole $20m less that $5b) in the UK.

Now we get to see whether artistic integrity will triumph over filthy lucre...

--Ng

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

alecbrown (66952) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490058)

In the UK a 12 means that a kid under 12 cannot go in whether accompanied by an adult or not. So it does matter.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (3, Funny)

corian (34925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490097)


> In the UK a 12 means that a kid under 12 cannot go in whether accompanied by an adult or not. So it does matter.

Is this legistlated? I could just see the problems in the US...whether pregant mothers could see a movie or not would come down to a court decision as to when a fetus becomes a child.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (3, Insightful)

jonathan_ingram (30440) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490134)

We're not yet as lawsuit-crazed as in the US.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (3, Informative)

Jagen (30952) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490159)

Yes it is the law, the certificates for films dictate the ages of those who can watch (in cinemas) or rent films. Unfortunately alot people even in the UK dont seem to realise this, if a cinema lets in a person under the age for that film they can lose their license. I used to work in a cinema and we were always getting parents complaining that their 10 year old kid should be allowed to go into a 15 rated film because they gave "permission".

In response to someone around here who said PG is is for accompanied by adult, thats not true, PG is only an advisory in that its recomended that the parent be aware of the film before letting their child watch it, but they can watch unattended.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

thaigan (197773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490060)

Actually, that's not true. In my state, underage children are allowed to R rated movies with adults. We do, however, have one great theater that never allows children under 6 at any time for any movie. It shows a mix of artsy/mainstream movies that most children wouldn't like anyway. The point is, that children are allowed in R rated films in the US.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490063)

Come on people. This *is* a children's film after all. Yes I know many of you slashbots suffer from a severe case of arrested development, but the film is intended for actual children.

"So anyone under 12 will probally be with an adult anyway."

Maybe so, but don't you think that some adults might be more willing to take their children to a PG rather than a PG-13 film.

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (1)

thaigan (197773) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490033)

I think they mean fewer teens and adults would choose to see the movie if it was a '12'. However, I'm curious:

You won't allow your four year old daughter to see it if it's a '12'(without the headbutt), but you would if it was a '13'(with the headbutt)?

Re:PG vs. 12 certificate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490050)

Just post when you all are going, so I am not stuck in a theather with a bunch of 4-6 year olds.

I love Star Wars (-1, Offtopic)

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Yeah!

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Hmmmmm (1)

Retron (577778) | more than 12 years ago | (#3489999)

Company chose to cut sight of a head butt to achieve a "PG". A "12" uncut was available to the distributor. Wow - that has to be the most worthwhile cut in film history. Of course, you have to be 12 before you can learn how to headbutt someone.....

Re:Hmmmmm (1)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490085)

Also odd is the fact that we know, thanks to the preview trailers, that *someone* in the movie gets a light saber to the face - but a head-butt is a no no.

Re:Hmmmmm (2, Funny)

corian (34925) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490121)


They used a keyword-based censor....the "head" was okay, but they objected to the "butt".

that's weired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490004)

has anyone else noticed the transmeta icon across the top of their browser windows? there ain't a transmeta story in sight!

Over a headbutt? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490007)

This is hilarious. Hey, those of you on the other side of the pond, is it OK for kids to watch soccer (where there is much more contact)? If NFL Europe censored? Or how about this: What do you guys do when the Big Show wrestles on RAW? About all that goof can do is throw headbutts...

Re:Over a headbutt? (1)

fredrik70 (161208) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490142)

soccer?? ah, you mean fotball real football... ;-)
Football is not a game though, it's life, and you can't hide your small toddlers from life! :-)
Silly thing this cencoring stuff though...

Jaja Binks (2, Funny)

pknut (571294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490008)

I just wish that they'd cut out Jaja Binks in the UK release of Episode 1...

Re:Jaja Binks (WHO?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490081)

You mean "Jar Jar Binks" right?

or is that one of those UK'isms like
"Aluminum" ;-)

Jar Jar [starwars.com]

Re:Jaja Binks (1)

loconet (415875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490083)

Yah cut him .....cut him into little pieces.

Who pays attention to ratings anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490010)

I've never been fond of British law (gun control for example) but honestly, who the heck cares? I view ratings as a 'suggestion', if I am concerned with the content I watch it first; if I am comfortable taking my kids to it after that I will, but to rely on some quasi-"We know what's best"-entity telling you what you can and cannot watch is utterly stupid.

that extra second. (1)

ahdok (577602) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490011)

But that one second is going to be seen as very important by purists. You get over excessive fans of the series who'd be decimated by missing even the smallest part of it (anoracks of the series.) - the fact that that one second makes the difference between a 12 certificate film and a PG film is just worrying though, how adult in nature must that one second be?

Re:that extra second. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490036)

Curiously, in the last film you had purist fans actually seeking the version with material cut out of it... which really speaks to how bad it was.

Re:that extra second. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490037)

well, that one extra second in the original star wars that Lucas added in in the special ediction proves that Greedo shot Han Solo first, thereby changing the whole dynamic of Han Solo's personality. Not exactly a minor plot point is it?

Ratings system (1)

screenbert (253482) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490012)

I think they are trying to get as many age groups as possible, in the past Lucas has said that he doesn't pay any attention to the demographics of his fan base.

That said I think it is common practice for film producers to add scenes to get certain ratings. For instance I think fewer people would go see a horror movie that wasn't rated R. Then they choose to market that same movies toward teens knowing it makes teens "feel" like adults to go see an R rated movie.

www.screenbert.com - Check out brocolli.

I totally agree (1)

fluor2 (242824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490013)

I totally agree. I found the scene where Darth Maul was cut in half. Even if this character had his amazing footwork, speed and the scary look he still was nothing like the Evil Darth Vader in Episode 4. I guess nobody was really afraid of this man who rarely said nothing, thus they really didn't care about if he even was killed. Still Lucas decided to cut him in half. I almost laughed at this stupid scene.

If he was as scary as Darth Vader I might agree that we really needed to get justice for all his evil.. Lucas, you hear me? Withdraw Episode 2 and make it scary as hell. Then you can cut heads and stuff!

That one second (-1)

Chinese Karma Whore (560174) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490014)

Is obviously a flash of Ms. Portman's crotch.

Re:That one second (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490145)

Was she pouring hot grits in?

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Not the first time (5, Informative)

AmunRa (166367) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490017)

This sort of thing is not uncommon in the UK. If I recall correctly, Jurassic Park (1 or 2) had similar cuts. This is mainly due to the rating system in the UK, which is quite different to the states. In the UK, there are 5 certificates:
  • U - Any age
  • PG - Parental Guidance - If you are under 12, you have to be with a parent to see it
  • 12 - 12 yeras or over
  • 15 - 15 years or over
  • 18 - you get the idea...
These are all legally binding (i.e. the cinema will get fined if they let a 10 year old into a 12 film). Basically, if AotC got a 12 cert, then Lucas would loose all those kids who he seems to be aiming at, and it would be less £££ (or $$$) for George.

Re:Not the first time (2, Informative)

gowen (141411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490059)

PG - Parental Guidance - If you are under 12, you have to be with a parent to see it
Thats not actually true. PG [bbfc.co.uk] and U [bbfc.co.uk] are both open to all. The PG is a warning to parents to use their discretion as to whether little Johnny should be allowed to go (harking back to a previous age, I fear).

Re:Not the first time (0, Redundant)

csteinle (68146) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490100)

Actually, not strictly true about PG. From the bbfc site [bbfc.co.uk] :


PG

General viewing, but some scenes may be unsuitable for some children

'PG' Parental Guidance

Unaccompanied children of any age may watch. A 'PG' film should not disturb a child aged around eight or older. However, parents are advised to consider whether the content may upset younger or more sensitive children.

(My emphasis)

Re:Not the first time (5, Informative)

karmawarrior (311177) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490155)

They're not actually legally binding for films in cinemas. The system is a little more complicated than that.

Local government has the absolute right to allow or disallow a film to be shown in local cinemas in the UK. To make things smoother, there's a policy that there will be little or no meddling in what films can be shown as long as the BBFC rates them and cinemas agree to restrict access according to the ratings. Cinemas who do not comply risk being unable to show films, either because the local council will withdraw their right to do so, or (more often) because the cinema chain will remove troublesome managers to prevent exactly this kind of showdown from happening.

Occasionally ratings are ignored and censorship goes ahead anyway: many local councils banned Life of Brian and also The Last Temptation of Christ, though generally the public doesn't stand for this kind of thing: bus tours were organised to neighbouring towns and counties where the films were being allowed to be shown. On the flip side, many art house cinemas are able to show films that aren't rated, if they have a liberal enough local council.

The BBFC ratings do have a legal mandate in one area, videos (and DVDs) where during the early eighties, the Thatcher regime responded to a "moral outrage" panic fanned a hysterical press about so-called slasher movies and passed a law making the ratings compulsory for video cassettes, and forcing sellers of video cassettes to abide by the certificates. There's at least one film, The Exorcist IIRC, that isn't available on video because the BBFC refuses to rate it.

Incidentally, on your rather specific definition of PG: PG is a voluntary code in more ways than one - there's no requirement that a parent accompany the child, and I recall seeing films when I was below that age without needing a parent to come with me. It was assumed that my parents had given me the necessary "guidance". This may have changed in the last 20 years, but I'm pretty sure I'd have heard if it had.

No big deal (2, Insightful)

buckeyeguy (525140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490020)

I'm sure it happens all the time; it's just that THIS movie is far more noticeable in the details that its fans pay attention to.

Acc. to the site, run time is 2 hours, 22 minutes. A good long film... one second will likely not be missed.

How nitpicky can they get? (3, Insightful)

Black Aardvark House (541204) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490023)

All those over a one-second headbutt? I wonder how many British children are exposed to professional wrestling? They'll see loads there.

But even on the other side, this is one of those things where ignorance is bliss. If this was never reported, no one would have complained, since one second is a trivial amount of footage.

I'd have to side with leaving the footage in. After all, there's much worse violence than a lousy head-butt.

Re:How nitpicky can they get? (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490073)

I'd have to side with leaving the footage in. After all, there's much worse violence than a lousy head-butt.

Perhaps. But I would rather see this butthead [angelfire.com] get cut, rather than a head butt.

Re:How nitpicky can they get? (3, Insightful)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490107)

Actually, what probably happened is they were told that they had too many violent images to get a PG rating and they had to cut at least one - best to cut the least interesting/important one (light saber to the face = important, head butt != important)

I'm just glad to be in the USA where movie ratings aren't enforced by law.

No Spoilers!!! (5, Funny)

JHromadka (88188) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490029)

Argh! Now I know there is a head butt in AOTC! Please no spoilers please! Next thing you know someone is going to go around telling everyone that Yoda is Luke's uncle.

THIS JUST IN!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490065)

WASHINGTON, MN -- The script for the new Star Wars movie, Attack of the Clones, was stolen by a fat man with a greasey t-shirt. It has been revealed, as many had hoped, that Yoda is Luke's aunt. Sorry for the spoiler.

Re:No Spoilers!!! (5, Funny)

dylan_- (1661) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490071)

I guess I'd better not mention that Anakin becomes Dar....oops!

Re:No Spoilers!!! (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490104)

around telling everyone that Yoda is Luke's uncle.

or worse. they could go around telling everyone how Anakin gets with Amadalia, turns to the darkside, and becomes darthvader as he helps destroy the Jedi after which, only Obi wan and Yoda will survive!!!

oops...sorry :-(

Re:No Spoilers!!! (1)

GnomeKing (564248) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490108)

You may know that theres a headbutt in AOTC... but that doesnt mean that you get to see it

I live in the UK and I cant believe their considering cutting such a vital second of the film!

Re:No Spoilers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490125)

oh I am sure they will include it in the cut scenes on the DVD :-)

Re:No Spoilers!!! (1)

Kredal (566494) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490112)

No no no. Owen is Luke's uncle.

And the Lone Gunmen are dead.

Actually (0, Troll)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490032)

They're just afraid that seeing a head-butt will inspire all the soccer-hooligans in the audience to riot.

Well, that takes care of my UK-bashing for the day. Now on to the French...

Kids are impressionable (3, Funny)

rde (17364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490034)

It's all very well cutting out Head-butt (who was much funnier than Beavis, IMO), but what happens when a bunch of impressionable six-year-olds watch the movie and emulate the language of their heroes?
I can just picture them reciting their twelve-times-tables in class...

Four times twelve, forty-eight is
Five times twelve, sixty is

This is a much more egregious assault on our children than a guy with a lightsabre quoting Ezekiel 25:17 as he pops a photon in a bot's ass.

Re:Kids are impressionable (2)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490156)

This is a much more egregious assault on our children than a guy with a lightsabre quoting Ezekiel 25:17 as he pops a photon in a bot's ass.
I bet you meant to say " shiny metal ass "...

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Does anyone else find it interesting... (5, Insightful)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490039)

...that while a movie that shows graphic violence, including decapitations, disembowellings and other acts of torture and sickness that turn viewers' stomachs can still a 'PG-13' or 'R' rating in the US, while just about any sort of hint of sexual acts, both heterosexual and homosexual, will merit at the very least an 'R' or an 'X' rating?

American censors and the film ratings boards seem to believe that it's OK for people to see violence because it won't affect them at all. Hey, the country was founded in a pit of blood during the Revolutionary War. But it's a hell of a lot better to have that on screen than it is to see two people who love each other show it intimately. Better that we have teenagers running into their school brandishing easily-purchased assault rifles than it is to have them falling in love with someone and spending time with them.

I'm just curious when the culture of violence and hate that the United States pushes on its citizens will finally become tiresome or offensive to them. Look at crime rates in Europe, where guns are near impossible to get hold of and where there are no restrictive anti-sex laws on television. Is it any wonder that their crime rates per capita are significantly lower than the US?

Let's keep producing more violent movies and glorifying war, like Platoon, Saving Private Ryan and all the Rambo movies do. That'll make everyone safer...

Re:Does anyone else find it interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490114)

Platoon, Saving Private Ryan

You didn't see those films if you think they glorify war. That's like the people who say Trainspotting glorifies drug use, or Kids glorifies underage sex. "Wow, everyone in the movie got HIV! I'm going to go have underage sex right now!"

Re:Does anyone else find it interesting... (2)

hawkestein (41151) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490150)

That's like the people who say Trainspotting glorifies drug use.

There were people who said that Trainspotting glorified drug use. Of course, those people hadn't actually seen the movie. I once read that 1984 was banned in some places for promoting communism (yes, you read that right).

Moral of the story: some people are very, very stupid.

shut up faggot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490151)

eurotrash faggots like you are why we should have let hitler win. go suck some more dicks, faggy mcqueercakes.

Re:Does anyone else find it interesting... (2, Insightful)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490161)

how does the government push culture on us? last time I checked, Corperations are owned by private citizens.

and, BTW the reasons of our culture come from 2 points.

1)we are a country that has been born and defined by its conflicts over its young life

2) Puritans and other sexualy represive religions founded this nation back in the 1600's and stayed relevent in our country up until the 1960's, so we still have a lot of growing to do in the sexual realm. remember, Europe is the place that did not want the folks that first setteled the US, so we will be diffrent from them just because of that.

Violence in the ratings (1)

misfit13b (572861) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490047)

PG:
Violence
Moderate violence, without detail, may be allowed - if justified by its setting (eg historic, comedy or fantasy).

12:
Violence
Violence must not dwell on detail. There should be no emphasis on injuries or blood. Sexual violence may only be implied or briefly indicated and without physical detail.

So headbutt in the fantasy world of Star Wars, etc. etc. Whatever, I don't think anyone will
a.) miss the headbutt if they cut it or
b.) let such a small ratings differential for violence stop them from seeing the film.

Who cops it? (5, Funny)

shut_up_man (450725) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490048)

If Jar-Jar is the one who gets headbutted, I'm flying to the states to see the full version, ooooh yeah.

Give me a break...becareful minor spoiler. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490051)

I single 1 second headbut is going to really make a diference?

I saw a press preview of SW:AOTC Tuesday. With all of the other things going on during the epic battle, they are going to worry about a headbut?
What a bunch of morons. If they really want to get critical, then they need to cut out the beheading that happens, and the picture of the little boy holding the head of the beheaded person (his father)....that's far more disturbing.

My 6 year old son can't wait to see it either...it's not a real big deal. Plus my son knows that is is "Just a movie"....

"Ciones" ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490053)

Am I mad, or did the topic just say "Attack of the Ciones"? It was fixed right after, but I could swear..

One second is a long time... (2, Interesting)

jbarr (2233) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490056)

I don't know which is more extreme: UK viewers insisting on viewing the US version for 1 second of extra film, or that a 1 second cut means the difference between a '12' (~PG-13) and a 'PG' certificate.
It doesn't take that long to graphically show a throat being slit or to flash nudity. Obviously, these types of scenes are not in this movie, but one second is pleanty of time to "cross a line."

PG-13 sells more tickets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490061)

Because mom/dad have to take them.

-PG movie-
Johnny $7
Sally $7

-PG-13 movie-
Johnny $7
Sally $7
Mom $7

The Clones are also attacking in Hungary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490064)

Someone edited the EP2 trailer so that it's about the elections in Hungary. The major Hungarian politicians are all included (the prime minister, etc.). The bad guys are the socialists, the good guys are conservatives. There are party symbols on spaceships, etc.

You can see pictures here:

http://index.hu/kultur/showbiz/redalert/

Links to the AVI are on the bottom of the page.

Wasn't Episode 4 modified to get a "PG" ? (2, Interesting)

ThinkingGuy (551764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490072)


I seem to recall that Episode 4 was originally going to get a "G" rating, but Lucas was worried it would be thought of as a "kid's movie" and wouldn't be as popular. As the story goes, the shots of Luke's family members' burnt bodies was inserted to bump it up to a PG.
Can anyone verify/debunk this?

Episode IV was "G" (5, Informative)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490076)

From what I recall, when the MPAA originally screened the first Star Wars (now referred to as Episode IV), they gave it a G rating. Lucas believed that such a rating was a kiss of death, being associated with movies exclusively for small children, and so added a one-second shot to make it "PG".

It's in the cantina scene -- when Obi Wan shuts up the guy who'd been bugging Luke ("I'll be careful." "You'll be dead!"), we see a quick cutaway to a severed arm lying on the ground. In hindsight, it looks sorta out of place -- no characters in view, etc., just an arm on an unidentifiable floor.

At least, this is what I remember being told way back when...

Head-butt is a problem? (5, Insightful)

Karl Cocknozzle (514413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490077)

How many kids saw Mike Tyson bite Evander Holyfield's ear off? Certainly plenty under 13, have we heard of a rash of ear-biting incidents? Lots of boys watch boxing with their father... These kids, so far it seems, haven't been scarred for life.

Also, there's plenty of "dirty moves" in "professional" wrestling (quotes mine,) perhaps we should label those as innapropriate for children under 13 as well? (The fact that I think it IS inappropriate is at my discretion as an adult, I wouldn't presume to stick a label on the show because I find it distasteful.)

Movie ratings are such a goof in this country and abroad. At least they made the cut over an act of violence, not sex. I mean, what's worse for a kid to know about? Everybody (at some point, hopefully) has sex. Everybody does NOT perpetrate violent crime on society. Yet shows like "Walker: Texas Ranger" are considered reasonable "family" viewing fare, despite long brutal hand to hand combat sequences in every show. Some of the moves Chuck Norris does in that show would kill a man if applied by an untrained person.

What's worse: Your kid seeing a breast, or your kid being given a video tutorial on how to kill somebody?

(FLAME OFF: The question is rhetorical for you to consider for your own lives and families...)

Re:Head-butt is a problem? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490113)

Everybody (at some point, hopefully) has sex. Except the readership of this site!

effect on continuity? (2, Funny)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490093)

Aren't they afraid that UKian audiences will be confused when one of the characters suddenly gets blood all over his face for no reason?

A head butt of all things (2)

galaga79 (307346) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490095)

Company chose to cut sight of a head butt to achieve a "PG". A "12" uncut was available to the distributor.

I am surprised of all things in this film they could out for being violent they choose a head butt (it better be some impressive head butt). This film is ofcourse set during the clone wars so I thought there would be some more violent scenes they would cut out first. Hell I have even heard a major character gets killed.

Carry on cutting (2)

Yarn (75) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490096)

When it gets *down* to 1sec I think their work will be done.

(not a fan :)

You can see the clip in a TV spot (5, Informative)

keesh (202812) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490098)

It's in the 2nd Jango TV spot. You can get an MPEG here [theforce.net] .

Too many variables (1)

hyperherod (574576) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490111)

But it's ok to see Luke's hand getting lopped off?

They got that all bass-ackward... (2)

Paul Lamere (21149) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490118)

They didn't cut out the head butt, they cut out the butt-head (jar jar of course).

I hope they release the 12 version as well. (1)

jkcity (577735) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490123)

I hope they release the 12 version for late night cinema in the uk which is when I will be watching it.

Lucas probably loves the thought of them cutting a bit of the movie because now he can make more money off the "To hot for cinemas" release at the video stores.

Lightsabers are out (0)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490126)

In a related story they're changing the name of the movie from "Attack of the Clones" to "The Clones are Coming Over for Tea". This should bring in more of the younger, 11 year old audience, because they're the REAL fans, having been devoted since the late 70's...

Headbutts vs Light sabres (5, Informative)

awol (98751) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490128)

To quote the BBFC rating for a 12

Imitable techniques
Dangerous techniques (examples include: combat, hanging, suicides) should contain no imitable detail. Realistic and contemporary weapons should not be glamorised.

and for a PG

Imitable techniques
No glamorisation of realistic, contemporary weapons. No detail of fighting or other dangerous techniques.

So I reckon this is why a head butt would be enough to get a PG and light sabres and laser guns don't make a big deal.

Beheadings okay?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3490139)

According to the reviews out there, there are numerous beheadings of humanoids in the movie. Those are fine, but the head-butt must go?? Why, because a 12-year old can't get his hands on a lightsaber which means he can't imitate the scene?

Just a little bit of peril... (2)

nesneros (214571) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490148)

Did anyone else see the "Contains sci-fi action, violence, and peril" part? This just begs for a Python tangent of some sort.

"No, No, the headbutt is far too perilous"

Head butts vs dismemberment (1)

bovril (260284) | more than 12 years ago | (#3490154)

I was 3 years old when SW:ANH came out and for some reason my brother had to take me to see it. At around about the time that Luke was saying "Red-5 standing by..." I explained to my brother that I was about to pee my pants. So, he did the hygienic thing and took me to the toilet. When we got back, the death star was history, Luke had called Leia "Carrie" and everyone was getting their medals.

Every bad thing that has happened to me since then I consider cosmic payback.

Oh... and didn't someone get their arm chopped off in a bar fight somewhere in that movie? Is that maybe a little worse than a head butt? What was the rating back then? It was NRC (Not Recommended for Children) in Australia.

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