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Love Says Caldera's Doing Fine, Despite Losses

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the can't-even-find-my-openlinux-box dept.

Linux Business 120

sanpitch writes: "Caldera is barely scraping along, (in contrast to little brother Lineo, which may not survive). Their latest move is to close the Chelmsford and Erlangen offices, as well as lay off 73." At least not Noel Coward writes: "The bad financial report out of Caldera yesterday is actually good news, says Ransom Love in an interview on Linux and Main. Now, he says, they're ready to go forward with their grand strategy, which unfortunately has nothing at all to do with desktop Linux as we know it."

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frosty piss (-1, Troll)

stallo (575157) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495616)

read it and weep, bitch

Re:frosty piss (-1)

Niggah_Spork (447851) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495647)

A)What the fuck are the sami?

B)I agree. He should have done a better job.

Re:frosty piss (0)

stallo (575157) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497330)

sami = shitty native people in norway

Re:frosty piss (-1, Offtopic)

Whistler's Mother (539004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495765)

Props... Pour out a little liqour for all my homiez in the pen doin 40 n 50 years and shit...

Unfortunately? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495620)

Caldera ClosedLinux was just about the worst linux distro I'd ever seen...

I have to disagree (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495633)

It was THE worst linux distro I'd ever seen.

Is Slashdot becoming The Onion? (4, Insightful)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495627)

First: Love Says Caldera's Doing Fine
then.. Caldera is barely scraping along. Those statements are mutually exclusive.

(in contrast to little brother Lineo, which may not survive)

In contrast to? If Caldera are 'barely scraping along' then surely they might not survive either.

The bad financial report out of Caldera yesterday is actually good news

That makes absolutely no sense.

This story sounds like a giant spoof. Noel Coward.. (of "Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the mid-day sun" fame?).. And 'Ransom Love'? Eh?

Is Slashdot trying to be The Onion of tech stories? If so, do your homework, this is only funny because of how stupid it is.

Haiku explanation (0, Flamebait)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495672)

As this is Slashdot
All news has to be good news
If it's on Linux.

Re:Haiku explanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3496073)

You can imagine what it'll be like when Linus Torvalds dies. It won't be.. "Linus dies of cancer" or "Linus has heart attack".. the Slashdot spin will be something like.. "Linus dies for Open Source cause" or "Linus dies at hands of Bill Gates' goons."

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (0, Offtopic)

Jeff Probst (459812) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495746)

Jon Katz is going to be on letterman [cbs.com] . watch the man make bad arguments in real life!

Re:IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495774)

Good god! What will the twat come up with? If he mentions SlashDot this site will become filled up with even more clueless losers with no idea about technology, but plenty of variations on `first post`!

Katz on Letterman tonight? (2)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495894)

This sounds pretty weird. Usually they have celebrities or people with interesting opinions on there (recent guests include Tom Waits, Mary Tyler Moore, Hugh Grant).. who the hell outside of Slashdot has heard of Jon Katz?

Good luck to him though. Perhaps he'll be making a guest appearance in Friends next.

Re:IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT (2)

elfkicker (162256) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496563)

Silly person. That the comedian Jonathan Katz. You know, from the old Comedy Central Show, Dr Katz.

Re:Is Slashdot becoming The Onion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495854)

I think I read that about the same way you did. How can this guy say that a bad financial report is good news? That's about the worst attempt at a cover up of the actual state of the company in the history of lousy cover ups. So does this mean a good financial report is bad news? He's lying, and everyone should be insulted that these people would even try to fool you with such a bullshit statement. Oh wait...let me guess... they've also gained in market share on redhat? Caldera will be out of business in 6 months.

In other news: Microsoft concedes to the 9 States (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495880)

Microsoft has conceded to the nine 'rebel states' who have filed a lawsuit against them for 'providing services American citizens don't want.'

Microsoft press agent, Uri Frah, said: "This is a good outcome for all parties involved although not for Microsoft. We are, however, optimistic about the outcome of this case, and our shareholders should be delighted with this turn of events in light of the recent events as respective to the relevance of the outcome to this announcement."

Bill Gates was said to be 'depressingly happy' about the outcome.

Re:Is Slashdot becoming The Onion? (2)

Otter (3800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496638)

First: Love Says Caldera's Doing Fine then.. Caldera is barely scraping along. Those statements are mutually exclusive.

Well, I suppose if you work for VA Something, "barely scraping along" and a stock price that's only down 80% sound pretty solid. Compared to "Well, we gave up on the Themes.org guys doing anything useful, so we moved all their stuff to Freshmeat."

The bad financial report out of Caldera yesterday is actually good news That makes absolutely no sense.

Well, what he actually said was that the downturns in the financials were the result of reducing and focusing that will lead to long-term profitability. Not that I actually believe that, but it's not out of the realm of logic.

By the way, what's up with modding down the guy who mentioned Katz's appearance on Letterman tonight [cbs.com] ? It's the most interesting comment to this story. I see I missed Tony Hawk on the show last night -- ironically because I was busy playing his game instead of checking what was on TV.

I hope Caldera dies anyway. (-1, Troll)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495632)

It is a little known fact that Caldera Linux includes source code that was stolen from Microsoft Windows to speed up the graphics routines. That's why Caldera Linux has a file called /usr/lib/direct3d8.so. It is stolen code that maps OpenInventor code to DirectX using the special undocumented API that only Caldera can use because they are a monopoly on the Linux desktop.

great (0, Flamebait)

kleenex box (559437) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495635)

f caldera.

and what the hell kind of name is "ransom love"? shouldn't he be serenading some hairy italian women on balconies?

Re:great (0, Flamebait)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495637)

Ransom Love..sounds like a cheesy love ballad from one of those 80s hair bands. I bet he got beat up a lot as a kid. Hell, he probably still gets beat up.

I'm not a violent man but I don't think I could stop myself from punching a guy named Ransom Love.

WORST EVER TROLL FICTION COMPETITION (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495639)

Mandi's voluptuous curves emphasised the singlemindedness of a Reaganite generation. Her wholesome rump, which would do a farmer proud in even the most competitive Texan meat markets, once again interrupted my field of vision to the birds perching nonchalantly on the roof of the opposite building. Two years, three months, four days and one hour into my job at dotcomrevolution.com, and the word on the seventh floor was that the VC's were about to cut off our air supply. These gulls were my only break from the monotony of BSD server administration, and Mandi had to be punished for her countless intrusive hours at the photocopier.
"Your ass is blocking my view," I mumbled.

"What did you say?" she roared. Well, it was more an angry squeak than a raw. I just had to block out the irritating, high-pitched whine that characterised all Mandi's replies, and my instincts caused my right hand to jump onto the air conditioning knob for the server room, turning it up to full blast.

"You -- that again -- I'll -- the manager!" she continued, her voice drowned out by the healthy whir of the most expensive fans in Christendom. I looked at her and grinned. "I can't think -- that -- noise! Turn -- off now!" She was trying to keep her cool (an act made all the easier by the now exceptional air conditioning), but even a blind man could have felt the heat from her cheeks as they began to turn a rosy red with rage.

"I'm afraid I can't do that, Mandy," I responded. I guess she looked like more of a Dave than a Mandy, her smooth but noticeably dark follicles of facial hair contrasting with her pasty skin under the lifeless fluorescence of office lighting, but she would not have understood the reference anyway.

With that, I turned back to my console and resumed my xtank session. But what was this? Out of the corner of my eye, I saw water begin to drip out of the corner of Mandy's eye, while she was sitting in my assistant's chair. (Well, I called it the assistant's chair, I had not actually had an assistant since late 1999, when I selected him to be the scapegoat for my rather poor backup schedule.)

"Why must you always make fun of me? I'm just trying to do my job," she blubbed. Sitting close to me now, not even $10,000 of Taiwanese ventilation could block out her piercing tone. "Ever since I got this job the guys here have made fun of me for my shape, why can't they just respect me for who I am."

A change of heart that would have made Montgomery Burns proud caused me to stand up and walk over to the wreck. I wanted to explain this rationally to her, in terms of the mating habits of the human male, and the desire for a woman fit for childbearing and housework, but there was no time for that (it was ten minutes to five). "I'm sorry," I uttered, and rested my hand on Mandy's shoulder, fearing a lawsuit.

Mandy stood up, and without hesitation put her arms round me, whispering, "Thank you." I reciprocated, grateful for a secure office lacking in inside windows. Instead of letting go, she squeezed me harder, and her tears began to stain the shoulder of my designer shirt. I motioned to back away, and in doing so my hand slipped downwards, brushing against her behind.

"I'm not so repulsive, am I?" she questioned.

I was racking my brain for a diplomatic response. "I guess there are advantages to looking at you over the gulls and the hypnotising router LEDs," I confessed. "And unlike with the routers, I'm not called out when you break down. And you don't leave a mess on the roof..."

"That's the nicest thing anyone's ever told me," she interrupted. "Do you have a girlfriend?"

(I'm a geek. Do you have a girlfriend? Exactly.)

"I'm, um, er.. I'm playing the field," was my closest attempt at honesty without offending my manhood. "I dont like to deprive others of my attention by focussing too much on one person."

"That's a shame," she said, and then her tone of voice changed completely. "Because I was so hoping to score before next week's lay-off."

"NEXT WEEK?" There was no chance that I would be able to return my home-brewed Beowulf cluster of 'borrowed' workstations so soon, and I had expected at least two week's warning from management. "Oh, and I know about your Beowulf cluster," she whispered, "but I'm sure I can use my special relationship with your boss to make it easier for you to return the equipment. The question is, what can you do for me?"

to be continued...

Re:WORST EVER TROLL FICTION COMPETITION (-1)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495663)

ok - I'll bite..

What's the prize?

Joe Sixpack talks about Computers (-1)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495738)

Hi. I'm The_Fire_Horse and you might remember me from such posts as "Backups? Ha - not on my shift" and "How to sneak Christmas card EXE's through the corporate firewall".

There has been a lot of talk lately about if linux is ready for the desktop. Issues such as useability, reliability, security, applications have all been discussed, argued and generally thrashed to the limits. Today we go straight to the source and get an interview with that one elusive user who actually USES all these desktops - Joe Sixpack.

TFH : So tell us Joe, how do you think your computing experiance can be enhanced through modern Operating Systems.

J6P: [cracks a tinnie] What the fuck are you on about?

TFH: What do you want your computer to do?
J6P : Lookin at tits and ass - why, what do *you* use a computer for?

TFH: Ok - so you like to look at porn. What else, do you use documents, like resumes for jobs or a database for your Tax Returns ?
J6P: [snorts beer through nose] - HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW - shit, you're some kind of fucking comedian aint yu?
Hell, no I dont do any of that nerdy shit. But the missus likes to play that card game sometimes.
TFH: How do you backup your downloaded porn. I mean, where do you keep it after downloading it - Hard disk, CDR, floppy?
J6P: Hey, watch it boy - there aint nutin 'floppy' about me, alright ?
Hmmm... let me think [scratches nuts... for several minutes] Oh, I git yu - yup. You mean when Jemma Maria is yappin on the blower, who do I git me hooter pics?
TFH: ... yes
J6P: Well - its a pain in the ass, but we go to the folders on the computer and click on them from there.

TFH: So, that would mean you have to go to My Computer, then My Pictures to get your .. um.. porn
J6P: [scratches head] Nope that isnt it... Ummm... its called.. oh, yeh .
All me stuff is stuffed in \home\Joe\ I just go to there and all me pics are there in one spot.

TFH: You use Linux!?!?
J6P: Who? Ah, crap I dont know. Its a PC - I wouldnt know who made the fucking thing
TFH: So how ... why... did you install it?
J6P: Well, you see when we first got it it had this fancy 'Windows 98' screen after you turned the power on, and it looked pretty, but after it finished i didnt know where the fuck anything was - there were icons everywhere. I just wanted Porn and the missus just wanted solitaire.

The we get this CD in the post called "Simple Linux". So , I plugged it in and it took about 25 minutes of chugging away but when it was done I had all my porn in one spot, the missus had here card game (3 of em now actually!).

TFH: So you moved away from Windows98 and installed Linux and it works well now? J6P: Well apart from the missing cloud startup screen - it works a shit load better than before - we can leave it running for days without that Blue screen appearing all the time - and it displays the porn faster too.

TFH: Thanks, Mr Sixpack for your answers - you've been very helpful
J6P: [cracks a tinnie] No worries - you wanna see my collection, I've got...

TFH: ... No - thanks, I've got to go.So there you have it folks - from the horses mouth , all people want is easy access to their Porn - and it looks like Linux can deliver!

Caldera vs. Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495643)

M$ no longer has the monopoly on bullshit.

The costs are what is bringing them down (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495648)

To use Love's term, they are "streamlining" their business.

They may find themselves streamlined out of business soon.

They're downsizing (1)

netringer (319831) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497630)

To use Love's term, they are "streamlining" their business.
After I was let go, a startup I worked for put out a press release that announced they lost the last of their installations and that they were "downsizing."

To which I thought, "Yeah, 'Downsizing.' Meaning 'We're getting rid of those pesky customers.'" They went bankrupt shortly thereafter.

love means never having to say you're aFraUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495653)

well, afturd we proform sum more magical # FUDging, we'll be abull to pay some more yacht fuel fewsures to ransom. doN'T ya just love IT?

0 .contraire (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495664)

we just got dunn tawlking to our broker over at bear on stearno, & he said that buying ransom's funny money scenario would make US all billyunheirs buy nitefall. gooed enough for me.

see y'all at the hamptons partays. doN'T pretend you doN'T know who i'm tawlking to komandeur tahoe.

slashdot confirms (1)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495660)

Caldera is dying.

Caldera has inherited SCO's legacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495662)

Of trying sell stuff nobody wants. Ok other linux distros aren't exactly rolling in cash but Caldera has got to be having the most trouble of any of the top five. I mean you know a company is in trouble when they have to make an anouncement about how everything is ok.

If i were an investor.. (1)

jtrandall (450863) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495666)

I'd be more worried about

"its chief technology officer, Drew Spencer, and chief legal counsel, Harrison Colter, have left the company"

Is this a rats jumping a sinking ship or somehow just bad timing?

Re:If i were an investor.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495780)

Rats jumping a sinking ship I would say.

Re:If i were an investor.. (2)

erat (2665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497142)

You know, it's possible that they were part of the layoff. Caldera did drop 73 people, after all. Upper management isn't necessarily immune to cuts.

If people really want to figure out this puzzle, look to see if Caldera replaces Drew Spencer and Harrison Colter. If not, they were part of the cut. If Caldera hires a new CTO and a new chief legal counsel, then it's safe to conclude that Drew and Harrison quit unexpectely.

Don't jump to conclusions.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495671)

In other news, Caldera says Love is all we need. Back to you, Jill!

Good riddance. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495688)

Caldera sucked.

caldera who??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495690)

what they are still around, they used to make a crapy linux distro right? I almost forgot about them

Frankly... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495694)

...if this guy says "frankly" again I am going to explode.

Caldera, isn't that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495695)

... the 'properterial' version of Leenooks?

sad.... (1)

codingbytes (577572) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495701)

I know that this post may start a large discussion, but I just absolutely feel like saying something. Caldera was definitely in the game a few years ago, but the momentum which they had has been usurped by RedHat and some other distros. Caldera is now a large company which will soon be a small one. It seems that the main reason that Caldera is hurting right now is they simply lack vision. Love talks about selling to server-side clients and Unix clients, but it seems that this focus has changed from his mentioned graphical install and the desktop presence of Linux, something which he once thought that Linux could achieve. This interview shouldn't have taken place. If he doesn't have a business plan, he should do something about it or step down and find someone who can get a vision for Caldera. The last thing we need is to hear of another Linux company which isn't on the ball. Especially with the successes of new releases of OpenOffice, KDE, Mozilla, WineX, etc. (although WineX could arguably be a failure for Linux strategically).

I've got 40 strong reasons why Linux will have a powerful desktop presence in the near future and Microsoft is running scared, and Caldera needs to wake up and stop trying to market to the wrong target. And no, I'm not biased about Linux, I've just done my research. I'm prepared to remain in the top of the software industry no matter what curve balls come my way.

./cwide

Re:sad.... (2)

tzanger (1575) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495719)

I've got 40 strong reasons why Linux will have a powerful desktop presence in the near future and Microsoft is running scared,

Care to list them?

Re:sad.... (-1, Offtopic)

linux_avenger (573747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495730)

this is offtopic, but why does the "care to list them?" get a higher mod than the original message? Moderators are a strange breed.

Re:sad.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495735)

umm, read the faq you fag

slashbots are a strange breed

Re:sad.... (1)

ztwilight (549428) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495960)

I've got 40 strong reasons why Linux will have a powerful desktop presence in the near future and Microsoft is running scared, ---Care to list them?

I think he was hoping that you would guess what they were (they're not too hard to figure out, right?). Teach a man how to chew gum, he'll chew for a day. Teach a man how to scrape gum off things, he'll chew for a lifetime - anonymous.

Re:sad.... (2)

tzanger (1575) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497282)

I think he was hoping that you would guess what they were (they're not too hard to figure out, right?).

I must be really slow today, I didn't see a list of 40 or any reference to 40 anything elsewhere in the thread. <shrug>

Re:sad.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495785)

"main reason that Caldera is hurting right now is they simply lack vision."

No, it's because they don't have a working business-plan, just like most other Linux companies out there.

Re:sad.... (1)

ztwilight (549428) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495912)

No, it's because they don't have a working business-plan, just like most other Linux companies out there.

I hate to break the news to you, but a business plan comes from the vision of the leader.

Re:sad.... (2, Insightful)

vorpal22 (114901) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495786)

I've got 40 strong reasons why Linux will have a powerful desktop presence in the near future and Microsoft is running scared

Linux fanatics have been saying this for a *number* of years now. I got into Linux three years ago and used it exclusively. Every issue of Linux Magazine and Linux Journal that was released at the time sang the success stories of Linux, and how mainstream Linux adoption was just around the corner.

Well, it's three years later, and Linux still only appeals to a very small subset of computer users.

I think Linux had its chance to make it big when the stock market hype was building up around it. Unfortunately, it missed this chance by being unusable by the average person as a desktop OS, and a financially unsound choice to build companies or business strategies around (*cough* Corel *cough* *cough*).

Linux will, of course, never die. But I don't suspect that we will we see a significantly huge increase in the Linux userbase.

Especially now, with the arrival of Mac OS X - many Linux users, tired of waging constant (and unproductive) sysadmin war, switched when OS X was released *raises hand*. Hopefully someone will release a well-supported (in terms of both industry-standard software and hardware) UNIX variant for PCs with a consistent user interface experience. As far as I'm concerned, Linux doesn't cut it here. Linux offers choice, which is good when you're knowledgeable enough to make those kind of decisions. But the average Joe Blow doesn't want 30 different GUIs on his computer.

Re:sad.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495878)

Especially now, with the arrival of Mac OS X - many Linux users, tired of waging constant (and unproductive) sysadmin war, switched when OS X was released *raises hand*. Hopefully someone will release a well-supported (in terms of both industry-standard software and hardware) UNIX variant for PCs with a consistent user interface experience. As far as I'm concerned, Linux doesn't cut it here. Linux offers choice, which is good when you're knowledgeable enough to make those kind of decisions. But the average Joe Blow doesn't want 30 different GUIs on his computer.

All of this really has not much to do with the Mac. You simply don't see the big picture. The rest of the world, which makes up 85% of the global population, is not going to use expensive U.S. software because they simply can't afford it (among other political reasons). So they were pirating Windows, but this only lasts so long until they decide, what's the point, and just install Linux instead. With a Linux user base of 85%, the U.S. has to follow along, only that now they're several years behind, because they didn't take Linux seriously. End of story.

Re:sad.... (1)

vorpal22 (114901) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496019)

I don't deny that something might replace Windows eventually, especially with all their new licencing policies and business strategies.

However, in its current incarnation, I just don't think that Linux is going to be *it*. I'd love to be proven wrong.

And let's face it. Microsoft has been pulling crap on its userbase for years, yet it's still the dominant player in the desktop market. I'm not sure this will change. They screw us little by little, so that your average computer user doesn't even notice that it's happening. I thought the WinXP licencing would be the last straw, but no one I know has complained about it.

I don't use my PC much anymore for the simple reason that I don't like any of the OSes that are currently available for PC.

Re:sad.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3496007)

Especially now, with the arrival of Mac OS X

Mac OS X isn't a viable alternative. An Apple desktop costs me $2000, but I can build my own PC for $300 and run Linux on it.

Re:sad.... (3, Informative)

x mani x (21412) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497350)

Your points would all be valid if Linux was primarily a desktop OS, like MacOS 9 or Windows 9x.

The truth is, not many people aside from enthusiasts, students, software developers or sysadmins use Linux on the desktop. I personally always used to develop software on Linux since 1996. I recently switched to using Windows XP with Cygwin, using XEmacs/Win and the MSVC++ 6.0 debugger as my development environment. (IMHO!!) It beats using XEmacs and ddd (or gdb) hands down.

All that aside, walk into any server room and you'll see Linux _everywhere_. Admins can set up servers to their heart's content without having to worry about getting audited for it. Most IT managers by now have realized the TCO advantage of going with Linux/*BSD, and if they don't go Linux/*BSD its because general cluelessness (this is a major problem among IT managers) of political reasons.

For smaller shops going for a Dell or IBM Linux server is almost a no-brainer. For bigger Sun Enterprise-using shops, they're phasing out their older servers with these shiny Dell and IBM rackmounts as well. While Sunfire servers are still pretty much unmatched, IBM's Linux on Big Iron hardware must be scaring the shit out of Sun.

All this is just the tip of the iceberg, in my opinion. I haven't even mentioned how fast Linux servers are quietly eroding MS Exchange and MS file/print serving marketshare.

So, yes, Linux is years behind in terms of desktop useability ... but the truth is not many people really care. The server market is where the real money is at, anyway.

Re:sad.... (2)

mgv (198488) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495853)

I've got 40 strong reasons why Linux will have a powerful desktop presence

Funny, I can only think of one: Open Office (/Star Office). Then again, I can only think of one reason why M$ have a strong desktop presence: MS Office. I mean, seriously, everything else has a non MS equivalent which is better. But in terms of a proprietary standard which everyone has to have, its MS Office. Just for Word alone they dominate the market.

Even MS know this - I can't see them issuing a version of MS office for Linux until they are facing a real risk of a minority share of the office market. Which is why they have never issued a version of office for Linux.

As for the rest, well. Photo editing? GIMP, PSP, Photoshop. Whatever. If you are a professional you may want all three. Video editing? Get an iMac now. And so on. But office dominates, and will continue to do so for a long while, at least in terms of file formats.

Having said all of that, I'm incredibly impressed with the open office stuff. Its great on Linux, but its probably even better for having a win 32 version. I can think of a heap of computers that I could install that on. Its version 1.0, it will still lose out feature wise with MS office, but from what I can see of it, most end users won't care for what it doesn't have.

By MS own figures, over 90% of feature requests for the next version of office are already implemented in the current version - most users have no idea of how to use even a fraction of the features. Thus, most users will like open office, and its good enough now to use now, even though it doesn't come close to the full feature set of MS office. And I don't doubt that version 2 will become very threatening to MS.

Anyway, 'nuff said - my 2c worth

Michael

Re:sad.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495901)

Funny, I can only think of one: Open Office (/Star Office)

You are so clueless. If M$Office was so important, you would be able to buy an OS that was JUST M$Office. You're so Microsoft-centric you can't tell the difference between Bill Gates and your own reflection in the mirror.

Re:sad.... (1)

Jason_Knx (244168) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496409)

Though, MS Office helps that's not the only reason for MS presence on the desktop market. If it was only for MS Office than a lot more people would be using Macs. Especially since the new iMac line came out and with the presence of MS Office for OS X. MS Office on Macs have been better than the Windows Counterparts for a while now.

I'll just take the small-medium sized business arena. Here there's a huge amount of niche market applications that only run Windows platforms. For instance AutoCAD is the defacto standard for 2d/3d drafting/design software here. When a company needs a more powerful alternative they switch to a few Unix machines as that's the platform that most of the heavy 3d analysis and structural modeling software run on.

Then there's all the specific software that is used to actually manage and support a company with. Most of the software here runs on Windows as well. This software is generally expensive enough and if there does happen to alternatives then it's either Windows based to or Unix based and a lot more costly.

For this Linux developers need to focus on providing software that can be used by these niche markets. There also needs to be a way to present developers currently in these markets a feasible way develop Linux versions of software and have a business model that will keep them in business.

Re:sad.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3496421)

Funny, I can only think of one: Open Office (/Star Office). Then again, I can only think of one reason why M$ have a strong desktop presence: MS Office. I mean, seriously, everything else has a non MS equivalent which is better. But in terms of a proprietary standard which everyone has to have, its MS Office. Just for Word alone they dominate the market.

Actually the internet and www access is (unfortunately) converging on the MS model. This is bigger, although much of it builds on interoperability with the office tools. For example, I have a bank [charterone.com] I want to do more business with, but their on-line banking defeats every Linux browser I've tried to do what I think are Javascript idiosyncrasies. This is hardly isolated, and many users are frozen out of parts of the web by this.
The other area M.S. is moving into is WinCE for PDAs but that market is still up for grabs.

Re:sad.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495922)

And no, I'm not biased about Linux, I've just done my research. I'm prepared to remain in the top of the software industry no matter what curve balls come my way.

Seems like you've wasted your time. And, yes, you are biased. Commodore 64 will take over the world!

What's Love got to do, got to do with it? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495708)

What's love but a second hand emotion?

If that's the way, So Long (3, Informative)

cigarky (89075) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495713)

Ransom and Caldera have always been rather "offbeat" members of the Linux community. I see no problems with them further withdrawing from the community into the proprietary software world - which is where I think Love is planning to take them. This recent spate of business "writing off" or "taking" losses is in part due to the Enron scandal. No company wants to be seen as hiding losses which might be discovered by the SEC, plantiff lawyers for shareholders' lawsuits, etc.. So no surprise as many other companies are rushing to confess losses.

Caldera... (2, Insightful)

Qwerpafw (315600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495714)

Apparently their strategy is to copy what IBM did with OS/2. Brilliant.
LaM: So your desktop interest would be in the areas that, for instance, IBM pursued with OS/2 [...]

Love: No question there.
This could be bad news. Very bad news.

leave it to slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495718)

to create FUD for the OS which they love the best. Kind of self-defeating, huh? M$ is probably laughing their heads off right now. Caldera, you sucked. goodbye.

asdfasdf4qw3r4325 126547zn27 6357524 62546n resgfd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495721)

who actually cares if caldera disappears .....

Re:asdfasdf4qw3r4325 126547zn27 6357524 62546n res (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495985)

I DO!

rumor has it (0)

linux_avenger (573747) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495726)

Caldera, our beloved penguin, is in desperate need. Apparently, he is being held for Ransom by Mr. Love. For 10 million dollars, Mr. Love will release him, and once the Ransom is paid, things will be back to normal.

*growl* (3, Interesting)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495744)

The bad financial report is actually good news. Yeah, good in a sense they can MAYBE show a little profit, or atleast a decline in losses. However, (comma) it is never a good thing to put a "happy" statement right next to the statement that says how many people they are laying off...remonds me of my former employer:

www.lucent.com

Those open source guys really are pirates (1)

codefungus (463647) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495748)

They share and make illegal copies of all their music, they steal bandwidth. Man! Will they stop at nothing?

I would hate to hear someone say that. We don't need more reasons to enforce crazy laws!

Hehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495777)

The bad news is actually good.

Yeah, right :)

The Hurd (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495781)

Yet another crippling bom.... *BSD is Dying! The Hurd will rule the planet!

The Sunshine Rule (2)

Spoing (152917) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495796)

The more sunshine management spreads around, the more likely rain is in the forcast.

Yay (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495805)

Caldera is dead! Hooray!

heh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495807)

Screw Caldera. They've never been anything but an aberration riding on the coattails of the open source movement. Their philosphy has always seemed to have been "Gee, free marketing. Too bad we can't make this stuff proprietary so it's Ours". I've never had anything but loathing for that besotted company.

As little interest as I have in Mandrake, I suppose it has a place, among the "liek i wanna run linux but make it just like windoze plzthx k" types who want to be able to tell their coworkers that "Yeah, I've used that Linux thing. It sure is neat." as well as a strong following among the "so it's gcc install smurf.c rite" script kiddie sorts. Redhat is ok. I dislike RPM systems as a matter of course, and find Debian to be the most usable linux distro, but whatever.

My point is, not that I particularly had one, Slashdot is falling victim to their "anything related to linux is good!@#!!!!!" bias, ignoring the fact that Caldera is just yet another moronic dotcom wanna be company riding on the Open Source hype. Name a single worthwhile thing they brought to the table(m$ folk read; innovations) and I'll change my tune. Seeing as you can't, stop posting this absurd fodder about a failed company as interesting news. "Stuff that matters", cmon, ring a bell?

Yeah. Feel free to flame away at this, kiddies and crapflooders. Just don't count on me answering.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495966)

Yes, Caldera deserves to run out of the Linux bussiness.
Mr. Love with his anti-GPL stance has managed to
alienate too many linux users. I am glad they
are out of Linux.

Title. (4, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495833)

Love Says Caldera's Doing Fine

That sounds like the beginning to a really dreadful country song.

--saint

Re:Title. (1)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495950)

So I guess when we get to the point where his girlfriend leaves, takes all his beer, drives off with his pickup truck and runs over his dog we know Caldera is REALLY going down?

Re:Title. (1)

schon (31600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496719)

That sounds like the beginning to a really dreadful country song.

In that sentence, isn't "really dreadful" redundant? Or are you implying there are other types of country songs besides dreadful ones? :o)

Serious marketing and concre acts are required (1)

jukal (523582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495848)

Frankly ;) my current opinion on Caldera is not very flattering. Frankly, I do not know anything concrete about them, I just have the image, that they have tried to knock multiple doors to enter the desktop. Now, I read that they are not aiming to hit the desktop. Frankly, I do not have any hunch on why buy something from Caldera.... I just think that they decided to choose "business customers" to have better change to survive only by effective lobbying and no realworld evidence.

I have not used any time to find out what Caldera really is, or wants to be, but this is what they have been able to communicate to me so far - not very convincing. By looking at their financial figures I assume they have been able to communicate the same image to others as well.

Redhat, instead, might not be "that" different, but they have been able to create an image, that they are thriving to do something concrete and something that might become beneficial - Caldera just is - atleast for now.

Bad news is no news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495860)

It's no surprise to "insiders" that Caldera is face down in the mud. People inside the Linux business have known for years that Caldera has had almost no clue about how to run their company. If they don't get their act together soon, Caldera will be bought by RH and Love will be vice president in charge of RH's new corporate middleware division.

Oh, wait, that would assume that RH is making real (as opposed to pro forma) profits. Never mind.

Maybe Caldera will get lucky and sell themselves to either HPaq ot IBM.

Caldera sucks anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495872)

Why worry they will be gone soon

I think it would be a very good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495884)

if Caldera simply went belly up. I mean that way it would take the last remenents of SCO out with them. I mean SCO really sucks and since Caldera sucks too that actually would be twice as good.

It's going partner now. (1)

eliphas_levy (68486) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495904)

Conectiva [conectiva.com.br] announced [conectiva.com.br] this week that it's going to sell Caldera products here in Brazil.

Use the fish [altavista.com] , luke.

Re:It's going partner now. (2)

morcego (260031) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496750)

<off-topic>Hiya Eliphas. LTNS.</off-topic> Let me just add something to your post...

Conectiva will not only be selling Caldera products in Brazil. It will be taking over the whole Caldera operation on Latin America, including consulting and support works. I was not mentioned on the PR, but I think it also include SCO and friends.

Why all the negative comments about Caldera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495920)

Why does everyone seem to hate Caldera so much, I mean what did they do? Aren't they a Linux distribution that has been around for a while? What is the problem? I would have thought that they are the good guys. I know not eveybody likes every distribution, but you don't see too as much of this desire for a linux version too disappear. Lots of people hate Debian or Slackware for being too hard. Many people dislike Mandrake for being too easy. Yeah people will say "Mandrake sucks, get a real distro" but you don't see "Mandrake sucks, I hope they fold" So what makes Caldera deserving of more venom than usual?

Re:Why all the negative comments about Caldera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495973)

they tried to make Linux proprietary, apparently.

Re:Why all the negative comments about Caldera? (1)

ecc0 (548386) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495974)

They're not releasing the source for their proprietary stuff. Which makes them evil

Re:Why all the negative comments about Caldera? (4, Informative)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496789)

Try per seat licensing. THey are charging an arm and a leg for a so called free operating system and all there unix apps are proprietary. Ransom Love at one time believed in opensource. This was right before he purchased sco. Appearently the sco employees convinced him otherwise. Also not to mention they were supposed to opensource unix and make a low cost distro based on the real thing. He paniced at the last minute and just released some very old 1970's source under a restricted license. He then stated some nasty comments about linux and agreed with Microsoft that the gpl was VIRAL! Ouch. This guy should keep his mouth shut and step down. If I was an investor I would of tried to get this guy canned along time ago but now its too late. In other words you get alot more for less money under any other distro and you do not have a draconian EULA. Think about it. The whole reason Linux even exists is that users were tired of paying for and living under oppressive EULA's of proprietary operating systems. What caldera did was get linux, then try to make it as bad as Windows. I can trust RedHat a hell of alot more then Caldera.

This is a shame because my distro was caldera openlinux lite version 1.1. Those days are long over and its time for caldera to go. May they rest in peace.

What desktop Linux strategy? (2)

heroine (1220) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495926)

Don't think Caldera ever supported desktop Linux. For Caldera, RedHat, VA I.O.U. it was a brief experiment. Caldera and RedHat went embedded and VA I.O.U. dissappeared.

Just a public opinion poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3495945)

This posting to slashdot was just a cheap way to find out public opinion of Caldera. Now that it is known, Caldera will be tucking their tail between their legs and running away...

Caldera was my first (1)

christurkel (520220) | more than 12 years ago | (#3495980)

Caldera OpenLinux was my first Linux distro a few years ago. It really helped me get started; it had a graphical install, which was a novelty at the time (complete with a game, Tetris, I believe) and a great manual to help you get going with KDE. Without Caldera, I probably would have never gotten into Linux. Now years later, Caldera makes you buy per seat licenses (!) for OpenLinux, has a slow development cycle and it seems to ignore GNOME completely. Other disstros have passed it by in the ease of installation and use. Sad.

Re:Caldera was my first (1)

rinsoblue (300699) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497168)

It was my first too. I used Caldera Network Desktop. All I have left from it is the thin mouse pad.

I loaded OpenLinux 3.1.1 last week to see the latest. It is OK but nothing to get excited about. Before someone buys a product there has to be a reason to do so. A product needs differentiation beyond a free mouse pad.

Caldera was special once, a leader. They seem to have devoted much effort and money making their way to the Linux fringe with one disastrous decision after another.

Does this company have a Board of Directors? When are they going to do something?

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3496207)

"The Community" loses a really dodgy distro from a company that doesn't understand open source.

What have Caledra actually done for Linux, in the past 2-3 years? (Yes, that was a serious question.)

I don't know a single person who has even considered using OpenLinux in any way, shape or form. Maybe that's why they're dying.

Re:So what? (1)

Prizm (52977) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496940)

Caldera has done more for Linux than most any company I can think of. For example:
-Created that graphical interface you see on every installation nowadays. No more boot/root disks and console difficulties.
-Pioneered the concept of the automatic linux update utility for automatic updates of security patches, upgrades, etc.
-Created WebMin, which is a fantastic tool and a lot of distributions use now.

Furthermore, when Caldera bought SCO - they released the source code for it. How many other flavors of commercial UNIX have you got source code access to?

Kris

SCO (2)

talon77 (410766) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496255)

Caldera bought SCO, and thus has a HUGE Unix market share... they will not be going anywhere.

Re:SCO (1)

ShawnX (260531) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497159)

SCO Is also a dead dinosaur AFAIK. It should bite the dust as soon as possible ;-)

Good news?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3496369)

I told that to my bank once while dealing for a House loan...

My bad financial report is actually good news...

Now, I live in a fridge recycled box...

Am i the only one who cares? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496378)

Am i the only one who uses Caldera? Its always gave me what i needed, with much less fuss then the others.. More geared to business users...

True they have given little back to the community lately, but is that a crime, or just someting to be frowned apon?

Good Riddance (2)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496560)

Don't know much about Caldera's Linux, but Ransom Love is an idiot. Anyone else remember when he said he has done more for Free Software than RMS? Ummm.....yeah. In the immortal words of Dr. Forrseter to TV's Frank: "that's an interesting world you've created for yourself there..."

Re:Good Riddance - he doesn't support customers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3497310)

I had a promo copy of Caldera 1.3, the first with the Lizard install. It is still great.

Howsomeever, there were really stupid quality control problems with the version. xinitrc was hosed, along with 10 other problems with text files. It would only run as root. I compiled a list with fixes for the newbies, and had the audacity to suggest it be posted on the home page as errata. Caldera told me to stuff it.

By the way, that was the first and last time my manager looked at the highly touted Linux. "What a piece of crap!" was his comment.

Hey Ransom, quality and execution matter. You couldn't manage a janitorial business.

Motley Fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3496685)

At the risk of sounding like a post from the motley fool...

I bought in at 15

'nuff said.

Lineo struggling, huh? (3, Interesting)

SwedishChef (69313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496810)

Now *that* comes as no big surprise. We tried to use the Moreton Bay (I guess they're called "Snap" now) line of NAT gateways but the prices kept going UP. When we could buy NAT gateways for less than $100 and these things were going past $250 we could no longer justify recommending them even though their use of Linux made them easier to admin (from our standpoint).

What do we do now? We use freeSCO on salvaged 486 boxes with no hard drives unless we need a full blown firewall... then we install SuSE 8.0 and use their firewall and/or netfilter. We've also not fallen for the $1,000 linux-based "firewall" distributions which license 10 or 20 internal IP addresses... hell, we can build the entire firewall for less than that and have unlimited internal IPs.

In my opinion (which is worth every nickel you've paid for it) the Linux-based companies are still struggling to find a profitable niche. Except for companies like ours, which simply design and build working solutions using open-source tools on an individual basis. We don't have "products", we just go in, solve their problems and leave. Oddly enough, they're happy to pay us to do that.

Caldera Hurting (1)

Prizm (52977) | more than 12 years ago | (#3496906)

As a caldera stockholder and previous beta tester, I've been a caldera fan for a long time. When they were involved heavily in the desktop arena, they had the best distribution without-a-doubt. They pioneered so many things which are common to our distributions today, like the graphical installation (no more boot/root disks!), the automatic update utilities, and they even created WebMin.

However, they're in bad shape now. Their stock price was hovering around 1.00 a few months ago and so they decided to do a reverse stock split 4-1. Yup, I've now got 4x less shares, and guess what the stock price is? It's a 1.02 as of this morning! Now, they've chased out all of the institutional investors because the float isn't even large enough to allow for large share blocks. I don't know what that management team is doing, but they had better get their act together quickly.

Once predicted a few years back by Linux Journal as being 1 of the 3 linux companies that would make it through the dot-com burst and software buzz (the other two being redhat and va linux), I'm starting to have my doubts.

Kris

RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3496924)

This really one article people should read to the END before commenting on. Sounds like Caldera has a good business plan and a decent strategy - too bad one has to read the whole thing to see what it is.

Really shows how poor the commenting is, or the moderation, or whatever it is....

Be nice to have a discussion about the what the Caldera business model really is, as opposed to this sort of tripe. They have all those SCO resources, which is intriguing, to say the least.

How do I get a name like Ransom Love (2)

treat (84622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3497154)

1) How did Ransom Love get a name like that?

2) If I change my name to a powerful name of that sort, will I be more successful in life?
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