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Mashed-Up Music

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the when-is-a-derivative-work dept.

Music 274

An unnamed reader submits: "The New York Times is running this article (also available here) about "mash-ups:" songs created by digitally synchronizing instrumental tracks with vocal tracks from two (or more) existing songs. Often the source songs are wildly disparate, and the result is frequently better sounding than you might first expect. Who knew that Christina Aguilera mixes well with The Strokes or that Nirvana and Destiny's Child make a good combo?" This is an interesting answer to arguments that online music sharing is nothing but theft.

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Damned jews (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502363)

The jew York Times is controlled by greedy zionists.

Re:Damned jews (-1, Offtopic)

GafTheHorseInTears (565684) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502369)

FIrst drunken post motherfucker! woooooaaaahH!!!!! nigggaaaaaaaaaHHhhhhh!!!

Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (3, Insightful)

DoorFrame (22108) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502374)

Just because something has artistic merit, doesn't mean that distributing someone else's musical creations (albeit in an altered form) without permission is not theft. It's still theft. It's just artistic theft.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (1)

no reason to be here (218628) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502383)

in this case, I think these would receive the protections offered to parody and satire under copyright law.

Hardly a parody (-1, Offtopic)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502435)

A parody is when you come up with your own ideas to make fun of something else. This is just remixing two songs like that thief puff daddy.

Re:Hardly a parody (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502566)

Why is this -1. He is right, this isn't parody at all.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502402)

Kind of like making a beautiful, thought provoking, well-composed piece of artwork from the entrails of the woman you just murdered.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (1, Insightful)

jvagner (104817) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502404)

Performance allows one to play (using the traditional term here) any song at any time without owing anyone.

Why did cultural views change so drastically when digitization became so handy? Why do we lose more rights as technology progresses?

Why is recording so damned special? I posit: because corporations have convinced you it is.

It's not the only way.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (2, Informative)

Jonathan (5011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502504)

Performance allows one to play (using the traditional term here) any song at any time without owing anyone.

No. Even local bands playing in bars have to pay royalties if they perform covers of other bands' songs.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (1)

jvagner (104817) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502606)

Really?

I wonder why the RIAA isn't sending street teams out to every bar in the country (think of the thousands, nay 10s of thousands of bands, every weekend, playing in bars all over this great land of ours not paying royalties) with bands, or a stack of CDs.

All those street musicians (licensed even, say in the subways of NYC) who aren't paying royalties.

There's no great dust-up over these (potential) infractions. It wouldn't occur to most to think of it in moral terms either.

The spirit and letter of the laws differ, since Real Life is so analog (and unquantifiable). Digital life is, obviously, digital, and when network, ostensibly quantifiable, trackable, loggable.

It's still a bad move.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502532)

Performance allows one to play (using the traditional term here) any song at any time without owing anyone.
Wrong. Anytime you perform an artist's work (stage play, song, orchestra piece, etc.) in a public performance someone (you, the venue, the radio station) has to pay for the rights (license) to perform the work.

Quoting from Public Performance Rights: [powermusic.com]

Playing or performing the music in a public setting requires the venue, establishment, or in some cases the individual to secure an additional license, The Public Performance License. The basic concept here is that if you are going to benefit from the performance of a writer's composition, the writer should also benefit. These fees collected by the societies are eventually distributed among its member writers as compensation for the performance of their works.
This is about organizations created to collect fees for the creators of the work. It's not about those 'rotten corporations.'

This isn't new. This is how creators make their money. If you want to stop living in your parent's basement and eating out of their fridge, then create something people want.

Or get a real job. Whichever.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (2, Funny)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502419)

Fear not, Slashdot will make sure those sites are taken down :)

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (3, Interesting)

bbillian (19067) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502421)

What about Andy Warhool's Campbell's Soup [tigtail.org] ?

Is that theft of the trademarked Campbells soup can design, or is it art?

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (0, Troll)

evilquaker (35963) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502467)

What about Andy Warhool's Campbell's Soup? Is that theft of the trademarked Campbells soup can design, or is it art?

I don't know if it's trademark infringement, but it sure as hell isn't art.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502635)

I don't know if it's trademark infringement, but it sure as hell isn't art. )

You have no idea whatsoever about the significance of Warhol's work. I guess it's because you are 14 yrs old and believe that our perception of art and related phenomena (i.e., the world) have always been what they are today. You are wrong. Educate yourself on art history

EAT BREAKFAST WITH THE RECIPETROLL (-1)

RecipeTroll (572375) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502422)

DESERT PÖNNUKÖKUR (Icelandic Pancakes)

Ingredients

1/3 cup sugar
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. cinnamon
1/2 tsp. baking soda
1 tsp. baking powder
1 1/2 cups flour

2 eggs
1/2 tsp. vanilla
2-3 drops of almond extract
1/2 cup sour cream
2 cups milk
1/8 lb. melted butter.

Sift and mix together all the dry ingredients in a bowl. In a separate mixing bowl, blend eggs, milk, buttter, sour cream, vanilla and almond extract. Continue blending and gradually add the dry ingredients until a smooth thin batter is achieved. It is advisable to let the batter stand for 20-30 minutes before using.

Use a flat stove crépe pan to make the thin pancakes. Pre-season your crepe pan.

When pouring the batter onto the hot pan, angle and rotate the pan with your wrist to help the batter flow thinly and quickly over the surface. Return pan to the stove as soon as possible so as not to loose the heat. Using the tip of a long crepe spatula, separate the outer thin edge of the crepe from the pan almost immediately to prevent burning. Cook for a minute or until your crepe is a light golden brown on the underside. Flip the crepe over on the pan for about 10 seconds and then flip it onto a plate where you can stack the crepes as they are cooked.

Sprinkle the pönnukökur with mixture of sugar and cinnamon and roll up tightly. Alternatively they can be spread with whipped cream and jam or fruit and then folded in quarters.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502474)

Somewhat overbroad definition of theft is to take something away from someone so that the owner doesn't have it anymore. Care to elaborate what is being taken away?

Re: Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (5, Insightful)

jmegq (33169) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502475)

... distributing someone else's musical creations (albeit in an altered form) without permission [is] still theft.

No, it's illegal distribution of a copyrighted work. Theft involves the removal of property from its owner. The lay term "intellectual property" isn't legally the same sort of thing as material property.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502509)

Not to mention that now they'll probably claim sabatoge, vandalism and violation of trademark.

Its not theft... Its copyright violation. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502519)

There IS a difference. One deprives the owner of their property, the other doesn't.

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (4, Interesting)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502544)

Just because something has artistic merit, doesn't mean that distributing someone else's musical creations (albeit in an altered form) without permission is not theft. It's still theft. It's just artistic theft.

Well, I can't be sure if you're serious when you use the word "theft", but let's entertain that idea for a moment.

1. The original hasn't been touched (literally, the master tapes are intact at the studio), and "clean" originals can still be produced, so no theft has taken place.

2. The song has been combined with another song, creating a new and different work. So if someone downloads a copy they don't actually have the original songs. Hard for me to see that as theft.

3. The constitution says we must "promote progress", and suggests that exclusive rights to writings and discoveries is a way to do that. Since creating something new and interesting (both as entertainment [it sounds good] and as social commentary [MP3s are not evil]) must be part of progress, this activity seems to indicate that progress can be promoted without giving these authors exclusive rights over their writings in this particular case.

Now if someone started claiming he was affiliated with one of the artists, or claimed he WAS one of the artists, it would be fair to argue that he's taking away attention, business, and reputation that should rightfully go to the original artist. But that's another kettle o' fish altogether!

Re:Artistic and Theft are not mutually exclusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502610)

Yes, this is very interesting. I think this would be classified a "derived work", but as the original songs are probably still recognisable, i think it's illegal under copyright law. I can imagine, however, that the original artist thinks it's funny and doesn't really mind, as it won't result in a drop of sales. Record companies, on the other hand, will, greedy as they are, probably try to sue the maker of this derived work anyway.

Uh Oh (1)

Mr. Fusion (235351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502377)

Somebody please mirror these mp3's, I have one of those icky feelings at the moment that these will be ./ed in no time.

I sense a disturbance in the force... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502388)

...as if millions of webmasters cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...

Re:Uh Oh (1)

QuodEratDemonstratum (569501) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502471)

They're on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3

Re:Uh Oh (2, Funny)

plone (140417) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502583)

Here [fsnet.co.uk] is a great bootleg, although you may be violating the dmca if you do download it ;)

Re:Uh Oh (2)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502642)

Don't worry, they're not worth listening to anyway. It's not such a great artistic feat to randomly jam music together. Most of them don't even mesh together well ("Oops! Eminem did it again!" is just fucking terrible.

All in all, this is about the artistic equivalent of writing fanfiction where He-Man meets the Transformers...not too high by my measure. A silly novelty at best.

Stupid (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502380)

Linking directly to mp3s on Slashdot's front page?! Could they get any dumber?

Unsurprisingly, the links are slashdotted.

Makes no difference (1)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502479)

All these songs are shite. I mean, honestly; every so often one does the email rounds, where you get a message subject 'FW:FW:FW:LOLOLO@LOL!!!! Brittanie Speers adn EMUNEM remix!!! Funny!!!!'

They aren't funny, or good. People download them, and they are an amusing idea for exactly 10 seconds. Nobody actually puts these into regular rotation on their music list, because they aren't actually good. Anyone who does have it in their regular rotation clearly does not appreciate music.

Penguin Power (3, Funny)

floppy ears (470810) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502381)

I'd like to see a mashup of Bill Gates singing the kids song Penguin Power [bbc.co.uk] . It goes something like this:
Penguin power, penguin power

We've got penguin pow-er
You can waddle when you walk
And hold your head one side when you talk
For standing still for over one hour
You've got a touch of penguin power
Penguin power, penguin power
We've got penguin pow-er

Done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502384)

It's been sufficiently /.ed. D'oh!

Big Deal (0)

xdfgf (460453) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502385)

This is old. Anyone who used to trade tapes in the early nineties heard the MC Hammer and Motley Crue cross mixes of Dr. Feelgood and U Cant Touch This. It sucked of course, but it got some airplay from time to time by late night DJs. Anyway its mainstream media discussing old news.
Rinse. Repeat.

Somebody had to do it... (0)

Mrdzone (562353) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502386)

Do the Mash...Do the Mash... Do the Monster Mash.
I am sorry, someone had to do it and it had to be me.

Re:Somebody had to do it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502547)

They did the Mash! They did the monster mash!
They did the Mash! It was a graveyard smash!

Not necessarily theft? (1)

Ayatollah (172519) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502389)

Who are you kidding? This will increase the number of lawsuits filed, and god help you if you manage to mash a hit.

And for all the good ideas, how many times will I have to sit through "Britney meets GWAR" or something similar? This seems to have much higher usability as an inside-joke generator than an actual musical expression outlet.

Christina Aguilera and The Strokes (0, Funny)

GafTheHorseInTears (565684) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502390)

Yeah, Christina Aquilera mixes well with my Strokes, if you know what I mean...

Re:Christina Aguilera and The Strokes (1)

owenc (255848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502456)

So that's the person who messed up Hard to Explain. Scared the hell out of me when I first heard it.

uh.. rong name (0)

FFON (266696) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502394)

they're called 'bootlegs' not 'mash-ups'

mash-ups are what i do to whiney journalists that don't know shit.

Re:uh.. rong name (2, Interesting)

pommes (538066) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502528)

this "mashed-up" music style is calles "bastard pop".
see more at http://fm4.orf.at/connected/81238/main [fm4.orf.at] (sorry only german).

-pommes

Theft? (4, Insightful)

QuodEratDemonstratum (569501) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502399)

How is it theft?

With "traditional" filesharing, you can argue that if you download Christina whats-her-name's latest album then you're not going to buy it and therefore Miss Aguilera is losing out on the 15 cents that the RIAA will begrudgingly pay her.

But the record companies are never going to release Christina Aguilera mixed with The Strokes, so who is losing anything? For there to be a theft, there has to be a loss.

Re:Theft? (2, Interesting)

lambadomy (160559) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502506)

If I put out a book that was nothing but paragraphs of faulkner alternating with paragraphs of hemingway, I'd still be violating both of those copyrights. Same thing here. I guess the level of mixing could alter the content sufficiently (alternating words or even letters probably would be indistinguishable garbage), but these mp3s are pretty identifiable.

Re:Theft? (2, Insightful)

elmegil (12001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502523)

If I put out a book that was nothing but paragraphs of faulkner alternating with paragraphs of hemingway...

...you wouldn't sell very many copies. So who would care?

Re:Theft? (2, Insightful)

JAVAC THE GREAT (239850) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502622)

Faulkner's still copyrighted?

Copyright violation (4, Insightful)

DarkMan (32280) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502540)

Leave aside wether it is theft or not, let me indicate why this activity is illegal.

Copyright. Copyright is a right given to the author to allow them to control how thier work is used, with the intention that (but not restricted to) the rights granted to them will promote production of further works.

There means that, if you wish to use an authors work , then you have to get thier permission. They can say no. It's that simple. Consider the GPL, which relies on copyright. It is not acceptable for a company to take GPL code, add a few bits, and then sell it on. The same applies to musical works.

Granted, there is the clause of fair use. However, fair use is inherently limited, either in scope (to a few friends prehaps), or in extent (a 5 second sample, or a shot quote from a book). With my understanding, fair use doesn _not_ extend to the works outlined above.

(Consider also, that there is more than just the perfromer, there is also the writer to be considered, in terms of claims to copyright).

Re:Copyright violation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502554)

I think it's definitely not immoral - these are genuine creative works, and in fact part of a tradition of reframing that goes back to beginning of the 20th century. As to the legality involved, that's a sticky wicket IMO (IANAL, but I'm an AC so I don't even need to say that). Has there been any precedent set regarding this sort of thing?

Re:Copyright violation (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502611)

The legality of using a copyrighten work to create a parody of the work has withstood trial attacks. It does not relly upon the creator allowing the work to be used.

The problem here is that neither the lyrics nor the background music belong to the person performing the work, or making it available. I do not think that this would fall into the catagory of parody, so I doubt that such a defense would stand up to trial.

Then again, I could be wrong...

-Rusty

That's flat wrong about the GPL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502641)

You can in fact take GPL'd, add a few bits, and sell it. The requirement is that you give your source code to anyone who buys what you are selling. You don't have to give anything away for free, but you do have to make the source available to anyone you sold (or gave) the binary.

Try reading next time.

Well, that took... what, 4 comments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502405)

Quickest... /.ing... ever.

Nine Inch Nails and Enya (2)

dallen (11400) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502413)

'Carribean Blue' and 'Down In It' sound really good together as well. I wish I had a MP3 to offer, but then again, I don't want my server slashdotted either. :-)

DJ Z-trip (2, Informative)

Voivod (27332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502424)

Anyone interested in this kind of music should check this guy out. He puts out albums of this stuff, and they rock. I saw him live recently and he was mixing Star Wars books-on-tape, then Rush, then Nirvana, then Public Enemy, then Madonna, even some country music, and somehow it all just works, and the croud was jumping the whole time.

If you can find it, get "Uneasy Listening, Vol 1" although I think they only put out 1000 because he didn't license any of the songs he mixed on it. :-)

A good review of the album [sfweekly.com]

a new twist on an old technique= (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502501)

DJs from the 60s and 70s did something like this all the time.

They'd take the hooks from 4 to 8 dozen songs and string them together to do imitate all sorts of crazy things. One of the funniest was a Chicago DJ who redid one of Gerald Ford's State of the Union speeches.

This isn't a new phenomenon (1)

taernim (557097) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502427)

Electronic music has used this technique for quite some time. One of my favorite bands, Orbital [loopz.co.uk] , used this in their song Halcyon... combining Belinda Carligle and Bon Jovi. They mesh better than you would think. :)

Re:This isn't a new phenomenon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502486)

First off, it's been done in the live version of the song, but it's not on the studio track. The live version is on the Bonus CD that came with in-sides(but not the bonus cd that has the 28 minute version of the box).

Second, it's not really meshing like what's being talked about in the article. It's one bit from each song round robin'd.

1 -> Shot thourgh the heart and your to late
2 -> Ohh baby do you know what it's worth
2 -> darlin' you give love a bad name
3 -> We'll make heaven a place on earth

Just looped three or four times, then they play the heaven is a place on earth bit backwards.

Plus after the second time(?) of the Bon Jovi song the music for Halcyon and on and on comes back in.

--jah

where are they? (1)

Darth Cider (320236) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502436)

I saw this article, too, and went looking for mp3's, but they aren't that easy to find..

Mp3's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502437)

Linking to mp3's? hellooooo.... /. editors..... anyone thinking today?

Moulin Rouge (4, Informative)

tshak (173364) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502440)

Moulin Rouge featured a lot of very interesting repurposes and so called "mish mashes" of music. My favourite was the "Nirvana/Can-Can Techno Remix".

Re:Moulin Rouge (1)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502534)

My favourite was the "Nirvana/Can-Can Techno Remix".

I think they chorused way too many times on that one.

Re:Moulin Rouge (2)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502644)

The type of music used in Moulin Rouge is called a "medley," where several unrelated songs are joined together with music segues.

I believe these "mish mash" songs in this article are something different.

RIAA's secret weapon (2, Funny)

ThunderCow (568538) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502442)

This could be the RIAA's secret weapon, post mp3 sites on the /. and get them /.'ed. Muhahahaha!

For those in the UK with digital TV (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502443)

The Q channel (453 on sky digital) has been playing a "Destiny's Child / Nirvana" mix that sounds similar to the one described above for a few weeks now. They've got another mix on now, but I can't remember what went into that one...

Personally, I can't say I like either of them, but it does work better than I would have expected...

Re:For those in the UK with digital TV (1)

Dazza (2865) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502485)

I've not seen that one, but they often play the Strokes/Aguilera mix.


Also, Sugababes are at number one having done a similar thing with Are Friends Electric and Freak Like Me


It's been done for *years*

Re:For those in the UK with digital TV (1)

happyhippy (526970) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502493)

That nirvana/child one is shit.

Sounds exactly like a female wigger singing at a party.

Whats with everything getting /.ed today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502448)

There seems to be a large volume of sites getting smashed out of existance by /. today.

I think it's because every high-school kid in America is supposed to be studying for AP exams, and Slashdot is an excellent source for information regarding the Meiji reforms in 19th century Japan and central-asian pastoral migration in the early post-classical era.

Heeeey Yooo, TINA!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502452)

"If you can find it, get "Uneasy Listening, Vol 1" although I think they only put out 1000 because he didn't license any of the songs he mixed on it."

What a fag. Go outside, it's a saturday morning for fucks sake!

herb alpert + public enemy (3, Informative)

caffeineboy (44704) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502453)

search on a p2p for evolution control committee. They put herb alpert and public enemy a few years ago with great results. The "rebel without a pause" still cracks me up.

Re:herb alpert + public enemy (2)

elmegil (12001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502517)

One article I've seen (maybe this one) gives ECC credit for inspiring the current mashups with the herb alpert/public enemy mix from oh so long ago. Down at the very tail end of the article....

The videos are on sky in the UK (1)

Puggs (562473) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502454)

I dunno if the music channel 'Q' is shown in the US or not, but here in the UK the two songs in the article have been 'available for selection' for weeks . They've done a few others as well (Britney & Eminem for example).

"Creative" DJs (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502460)

Now we're going to have to listen to stuff like that in clubs, as egotistical DJs who think they're musicians try to act creative.

Re:"Creative" DJs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502513)

You obviously don't go out to clubs now, as mixes of two songs are quite common (althought they're not called "mashes" in the DJ/club world I work in). They're usually released commercially as "white label" mixes, having only a blank label on the record. Most seem to be imports from England for some reason.

Kazaa(lite) is your friend (1)

Duvzo (221790) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502463)

Artist: dj vene
Title: Smells Like Teen Booty
ETA: 1:08:00 - What the ...! :(

the original mash-ups (2, Interesting)

jeffehobbs (419930) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502469)

John Oswald's entire "Plunderphonics" album, which was as far as I remember is also not able to be legally sold, is available for download in wav and mp3 format here [plunderphonics.com] . Fascinating stuff -- also check out Oswald's "Plexure" album on John Zorn's Tzadik label if you're interested in this kind of music.

~jeff

Re:the original mash-ups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502541)

Negativland's publishing company released Plunderphonics as a book-CD combo. There are other fascinating artists in this genre, like the phrenetic Stock, Hausen and Walkman and the 80's Culturecide.

This side of art scares the merchants of IP to death. After all, collage is a pretty well established art form - they'd be going up against some pretty major works if they went against Joseph Cornell, Max Ernst, and Marcel Duchamp for violating the IP of the images they used for collage.

Re:the original mash-ups (2)

elmegil (12001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502581)

Or if you want something a bit more legal (but not much) check out the reissue of Plunderphonics as a 2 disc set in a beautiful book with lots of notes about the songs. Basically Oswald split the tracks up into "songs" and "tunes" (songs are mostly with lyrics, tunes are mostly without) and added a bunch of additional things, mostly stuff that was commissioned at one time or another. Things like the 4 (?) tracks for Elektra's Rubayat covers, commissions for Naked City, Kronos Quartet, etc. Really fantastic stuff, and worth the trouble to find (in the bay area, Ameoba should have it; that's where I got mine). Published by Negativland's label Seeland....

BTW "a bit more legal" means they tried to get licensing for everything but failed (rumor has it it foundered on the Michael Jackson track, "Dab"), and Seeland went ahead and published it anyway, allegedly without Oswald's cooperation.

It's also worth noting that while this stuff is very much *like* the mashups, it is also very much *different* as well. I can only think of a couple of the songs that are much like a mashup, most of the rest cut the songs up and "reduce them to their essence" in some fashion that is still recognizeable, but not necessarily much like the original.

Reply to this, Parent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502477)

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Welcome to 2001! (2, Informative)

plone (140417) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502494)

This has been going on for quite a while now, especially in London. The boomselection [n3.net] blog probably has the latest bootlegs available, although some of the more recent ones have been rather dodgy

can't find... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502495)

..the file names on p2p right now. Weird. LimeWire hasn't been giving me good results lately.

Wouldn't agree (1)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502499)

Last time I was listening to radio it was playing pop variant of "Pink Floyd - On the wall" which you can buy on CD legally. Sounded bad and band was one of the worst kind of human degradation. But band being from my country I know they haven't really purchase license to make a song killer.

That's illegal, they almost killed my favorite band and extending that to the legal matters where does that end?

Copy protection and patent on two consequtive notes? Three notes? Extend that on Internet asnd what do you get? Few companys bitchin' just because they aren't the ones that would make money out of it.

Mixing (1)

FullClip (139644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502515)

I don't know if Christina would love to mix
with the Strokes, but I guess the guys
from the Strokes would really like to
mix themselves in a kinky way with Christina :)

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502520)

> from the when-is-a-derivative-work dept.

I am a derivative work, therefore I...am?

Synchronizing (1)

FullClip (139644) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502526)

Is there good Free software to do this kind of syncing ?

Re:Synchronizing (1)

hilker (69291) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502631)

Is there good Free software to do this kind of syncing ?
gdam [ffem.org] works for me. Useful for DJ-type mixing in general, although I'm such a perfectionist I try out ideas "live" in gdam and then do the final mixes using the laborious combination of the "speed" effect in sox [spies.com] and audacity [sourceforge.net] to do the actual mix.

Charles Ives was first (1)

BenitoM (571442) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502527)

He [charlesives.org] mashed together various American folk tunes, marching, music, the works. Did this in the analog era, which involved writing sheet music late into the evening. Eventually suffered a breakdown from overwork (had a day job as an insurance company executive and I guess caffeine had not yet been invented). His spirit must be pleased. Best thing to happen to him since Frank Zappa [bbc.co.uk] paid tribute to his influence.

See Live at King of the Boots! (1)

christophercook (21090) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502537)

We've been to see the DJ's who put those songs together (Osymyso and Freelance Hellraiser) at the King of the Boots club night at The Asylum in London (near oxford street). Most of the stuff is preformed from a pre-recorded track but some DJ's do perform live (there are some ace Star Wars mixes!), smells like teens spirit Vs saturday night fever is a particular favourite.. Think there going to move it to a bigger venue soon as that club is way too small for the amount of people that turn up (and it's currently free to get in..).

Easy, so do it yourself! (3, Insightful)

3rnst (578960) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502538)

Go get Sonic Foundry's "ACID". (http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DI D=307) Doing this stuff is a piece of cake. I really can't believe all the attention this gets, especially given how simple it is. It's a lot of fun, but does a better job of showing how much all pop music is the same than allowing one to devise exciting "new" compositions.

Re:Easy, so do it yourself! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502633)

I don't get it. Could you please explain?

I know how Acid works, but how do you rip the vocal track out of a song? I suppose a de-vocalizer program takes the voice out of song #2, but I just don't get how to do the opposite.

More sites here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502543)

These are the sites most frequented by me in my travels for so called 'bastard pop', as it has been coined (mainly by the press) in the UK.
boom selection [n3.net]
BSX [base58.com]

The phenomenon has been around here in the UK for 6 months to a year now and is huge on the London DJ scene, with The Sugababes getting a chart #1 recently with Adina Howard's 'Freak' and Gary Human's 'Are Friends Electric?' (Although the NYT article probably mentions this).

For all you UK readers, the Grange Hill Theme & Eminem track is quite surreal. :o)

Acid (1)

asavage (548758) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502545)

It is funny that software used to do this (Acid) can also be downloaded from Kazaa/Grokster.

Don't Bother (3, Insightful)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502553)

You can find them on Audiogalaxy, just search for the two artists in the same search.

Personally, I think they suck.

  • Low quality bitrate, sounds like FM stereo in most
  • The songs have different tempos, so the vocals are speeded up or slowed to match the beat
  • The genres aren't that compatible. Who would want to mix Destiny's Child Pop with Nirvana's grunge? The fans of each genre don't play well with each other. Upbeat "Bootylicious" mixed with a mellow "Teen Spirit." Ick.

Re:Don't Bother (1)

elmegil (12001) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502593)

a mellow "Teen Spirit."

The only "mellow" version I've heard of Teen Spirit is Tori Amos' version. What are you smoking?

It's all simple mathematics really... (1)

slipgun (316092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502556)

Who knew that Christina Aguilera mixes well with The Strokes or that Nirvana and Destiny's Child make a good combo?

Well, two multiplied negatives make a positive, don't they?

It's a lightsaber! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3502557)

No really, the soulwax [phink.net] trax is. Well, if you have the Synaesthesia [monash.edu.au] installed as you listen to it. Most stuff should spread nicely around the screen, but this comes up with a phalic lightsaber in the centre of the screen, with pink around it. Most odd...
Still, the tracks are pretty good if you can get hold of them!

Interesting... (2)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502558)

I have a couple of these remixes, and it's interesting because it serves as a sort of proof-by-example of one of the central theses of The KLF's The Manual: How to Have a Number One the Easy Way, namely, that all pop music is essentially "the same old plate of meat and two veg". Eminem and Britney Spears are at virtually opposite ends of the spectrum from a market appeal standpoint, yet their songs are so similar, down to details such as tempo and chord changes in the right places, that the vocals of one can be overlaid on top of the instrumentals of the other, and the result sound arguably better than the original tracks did. (Look for an em pee three of "The Real Slim Shady" superimposed on "Oops, I Did It Again". The result of this DJ's experiment is quite surprising.)

Been done before.. (2, Informative)

LogicBroker (578961) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502570)

Evolution Control Committee [evolution-control.com] has been doing this for nearly a decade now.

Besides mixing Public Enemy songs with Herb Alpert songs they've also been on the wrong side of some lawsuits from CBS regarding 5 minutes of remixing of Dan Rather's broadcast [evolution-control.com] .

Woohoo! (1)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502584)

Say, this reminds me of one of my favorite artists, WEIRD AL YANKOVIC!!!!!!!!
Polka Power! from Running With Scissors[Parody of: various artists mix] Lyrics [davesfunstuff.com]

Uh... (2)

blair1q (305137) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502585)

This is an interesting answer to arguments that online music sharing is nothing but theft.

Didn't you say that about the post announcing Vanilla Coke?

--Blair

This just in (-1)

DivineOb (256115) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502587)

gOD is dead...

A good argument for open source music (1)

hashhead (560057) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502594)

The quality of these homemade mixes and the ease with which they can now be made at home makes a good argument for releasing music under 'open source' music licenses.

Of course, I have to agree that it really is copyright infringement to do this with existing music, as long as you do anything with the result other than listening to it and playing it for your friends (i.e. fair use).

So what's needed is some progressive (in the open-minded not musical genre sense) artists out there willing to create groovy songs and/or snippets and release them under GPL-like terms. A whole scene could grow up around people endlessly mixing and remixing them together to create totally new tunes (which would of course then also have to be released under the same 'viral' terms of this license).

Of course this is not going to have the same popularity as remixing well known bands, but if enough of a scene were to grow up around this concept, there would be another great argument against these nasty "manditory digital-rights hardware" proposals the RIAA seems to love so much, as in "I only listen to 'free' music so there's no reason to taint my hard drive with your evil schemes."

works with literature too! (5, Funny)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502617)

Ladies and gentlemen, courtesy of Project Gutenburg and a short Perl script I just threw together, I give you the first paragraph from my latest novel:

A Moby Tale of Two Dick Cities

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Modern english music sucks ass (-1, Troll)

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I love playing these things (5, Interesting)

szyzyg (7313) | more than 12 years ago | (#3502628)

When you're a DJ and you need something to grab the audiences attention an unheard bootleg always gets them going, they're like secret weapons in you DJ box.

The one that always works for me is the Modjo/Eminem mash up - single sided 12" with the words 'Shady Lady' scribbled on it. Probably one of only a couple of hundred copies. The girls love the silly disconess of Modjo and get on the dancefloor..... then after the first chorus Eminem starts rapping over the top and *boom* suddenly there'll be a rush of wannabe MC's towards the DJ booth all pulling Eminem poses and gestures. It's great - it seperates the audience and pulls them together.

But you've gotta use these things sparingly otherwise you begin to sound a bit lame.... DJ'ing is all abotu teasing. I'll sometimes finish up with my other favourite bootleg - AC/DC vs Missy Elliot - Missy had more records released than anyone else last year, and most of them weren't exactly cleard through copyright.

In my mind there's no real crime being commited, only a few hundred copies get released, and if it does get popular then it can usually get licensed and make money for the affected artists. if not well they're losing a few pennies. And they're intended for DJ's - people who generally introduce people to music. I know people who've gone out and picked up AC/DC just because they loved the guitar riff on a bootleg.

Given Acapellas on vinyl a lot of DJ's will do this kinda thing live - check out one of my live mixes [djsnm.com] which shows off a couple of live mash ups.

Oh - and you should check out
BBC radio which has a
Cool Documentary [bbc.co.uk] on bootleg culture which lets ou hear a lot of these.
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