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Neo-Geo : The Game Console That Won't Die

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the still-kicking-around dept.

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xonox writes: "Perhaps you heard about the Neo-Geo game console when it came out some 12 years ago. Most people remember it because it was very expensive. Well, after 12 years, it is still alive and getting brand new commercial games for it. It may be a bit of a niche item but still. The Neo-Geo console was essentially the arcade hardware of the same name inside a prettier case. 3 games have been produced this year for the arcade hardware and two of those 3 have been released for the home console. If you think 2d games are cool, then you should check out http://www.neo-geo.com for more information about one of the greatest 2d platforms of all time. I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)"

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208 comments

fp? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509258)

first post for mom!

Re:fp? (-1)

Whistler's Mother (539004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509493)

I claim this FP. Firstly because you are a stinking AC,secondly, mother's day was Sunday, and your post is on Monday, so you're disqualified. No First Post for you!

Re:fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509652)

You're just mad because ACs are so cool.

Look out Xbox... (3, Funny)

Frank of Earth (126705) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509259)

... because you have some competition from Neo-Geo now!

"3 games have been produced this year for the arcade hardware and two of those 3 have been released for the home console"

Two words... (1)

ChiPHeaD23 (147491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509263)

METAL SLUG

Ok, more words... great little 2d platformer series. Get MAME and play it if you're bored :P

Two (more) words... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509272)

Who cares?

Wow, some piece of shit outdated console that NO ONE CARES ABOUT, AND HAS WORSE GRAPHICS POWER THAN A 2002 EDITION 'SPEAK-N-SPELL' TOY!

"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."

Uh huh, yup.

Emulators (5, Informative)

DarkZero (516460) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509264)

I might as well be the first to mention that most Neo-Geo games are supported by Mame [mame.net] and my personal emulator of choice, Kawaks [retrogames.com] . If you'd like to try the newer Neo Geo games before you consider the high price road, you should download those emulators and then try searching for some ROMs in various websites, IRC channels, and P2P programs. My personal game recommendations are "Garou: Mark of the Wolves", "The King of Fighters 2000", and any of the Metal Slug games, especially "Metal Slug X".

Oh, and if you see any of the PlayStation ports of Neo Geo games in stores, don't bother with them. They're buggy, bastardized versions of the games with at least twenty to sixty times the amount of loading time (and no, that's not an exaggeration).

Re:Emulators (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509270)

I would also recommend that you never buy any software/music/movies again, you can get it all for free on the internet!

w00t!

Mod Parent Down (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509321)


Yeah, let's encourage piracy of games for a game system that's on it's last legs.

Great way to keep it alive people.

Re:Mod Parent Down (1, Flamebait)

DarkZero (516460) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509931)

Who the Hell would buy a ridiculously expensive system with even more ridiculously expensive games without even seeing it in action first? People can't try out a Neo Geo in the local Electronics Boutique, nor can they take it for a spin over a friend's house. The only way to take the NG for a test drive is to pirate the games for a few hours.

Re:Emulators (4, Informative)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509336)

Yes, but there are two things about MAME emulation of Neo Geo titles:

1. MAME has an internal "ethics" clause forcing them to wait two years before emulating a game, so if Metal Slug 4 is released this year then it will be 2004 before MAME emulates it. Granted, if MS4 never hits the arcade, then perhaps MAME will never emulate it (since it's an arcade emulator).

2. Neo Geo games, at least at one point in time, employed heavy encryption. As a result, it takes quite a while to dump the cartridges in any working form. Metal Slug 3 was released in 2000 but it was mid-2001 before working dumps showed up, and of course 2002 before MAME would support it.

Granted, Kawaks supported it right away and the old NeoRageX doesn't have to have predefined games, so as soon as a game gets dumped you can usually play it right away, but it's not like a "on the Internet before it's in stores ala AOTC" situation.

Re:Emulators (2, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509387)

modifying the code to support that new game isn't all that hard.. so getting them to play on your mame-only cabinet isn't that hard.

when i go to arcades i pay for playing the game with the kewl arcade style(DOH!) hardware rather than for the sake of the game itself..(the game does matter tho). i gotta build that cab someday..

Re:Emulators (3, Informative)

imr (106517) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509657)

this link is for you:
here [nuthouse.org]

Re:Emulators (1)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509411)

Yeah, but you can get the source and disable the disability, apparantly.

"Granted, if MS4 never hits the arcade, then perhaps MAME will never emulate it (since it's an arcade emulator)."

I imagine if this is the case, it`ll get emulated BEFORE the 2 years are up, as it wont affect anyones profits and get them sued.

Re:Emulators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509442)

Neo Geo games were not encrypted, you are thinking of the Capcom System 2

Re:Emulators (2)

dasunt (249686) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509801)

My emu of choice (win32) is NeoRageX [swipnet.se] , a nice little Neo Geo emulator that is fast enough to be playable on a 266mhz machine. In addition, it seems to handle sound better then MAME.

OTOH, the poor bastards who think emulation leads to piracy and thus lack of sales are deluding themselves - I find that emulation works more like a library, as soon as you find something you like, you want a hardcopy for yourself. But that's me, and probably there are a lot of people just like me who are "collectors". And then there are a lot of people who are cheap, or have a casual interest, and only collect roms because they are "free". The sales lost to the emus are more then made up by the sales made because of the emus. However, I do hold to the notion that old emus lead to lost sales of new consoles, since new games seem to be repackaged crap with shiny bits included.

Btw, the NeoGeo was also an arcade game. Standardized controls across the game, and it was easy to swap out games in cabinets.

Re:Emulators (1)

Brandeissansoo (553129) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509958)

Roms are nearly impossible to find, in my experience, on p2p and the web now. MAME's rom archive was shut down by some bastard copyright holder...

Still expensive (5, Interesting)

Brento (26177) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509273)

Most people remember it because it was very expensive.

And most people still do, because they still go for more than a Playstation 2. There are games [ebay.com] for these things that go for more than an Playstation 2, for crying out loud.

Re:Still expensive (2)

Magila (138485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509840)

That has more to do with the fact that the systems have been out of production for many years now making it hard to even find one for sale. And the games are produced in very limited quantities, especialy US versions.

Re:Still expensive (2)

Brento (26177) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509866)

That has more to do with the fact that the systems have been out of production for many years now making it hard to even find one for sale.

You mean like the working Commodore 64's and Atari 2600's that you can routinely pick up on Ebay for under fifty bucks? That argument doesn't hold water.

I've always wanted one... . (1)

The Real Chrisjc (576622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509274)

I've always thought that the neo-geo was special, if memory serves me, they are very quick and flexiable.

Emulator anyone?

More info on Neo Geo (4, Informative)

fabiolrs (536338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509275)

Maybe many of you never heard about this wonderfull console, I got some links here on my bookmarks so you all can have a look at it (and play it on emulators):

Neo Geo Temple [neogeotemple.com]

Some Roms [classicgaming.com]

Emulation [emulationzone.org]

Re:More info on Neo Geo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509283)

Holy karma-whore! Get a life fatboy.

Vague memories (3, Interesting)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509276)

Didn't this console come with a smart-card type thing that allowed you to transfer game stats to and from the arcade machines?

And while we're at it, whatever happened to the PC Engine?

Re:Vague memories (2, Interesting)

Soulslayer (21435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509301)

Yes this correct. The Arcade systems had slots under the joystick table for a card where you could store profiles and stats. If I remember correctly the cards were around $150 when new.

One of my friends was still using his a few years ago. If he is lurking I am sure TaliesinWI will provide more information. :)

Memory Card (2, Interesting)

Soulslayer (21435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509323)

I believe this is the card [ebay.com] . It worked in both the home system and the Neo Geo MVS Cabinets (basically the home system in an arcade cabinet).

Re:Vague memories (1)

bonzoesc (155812) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509423)

Most DDR (Dance Dance Revolution - best arcade game ever) machines also have slots for standard PSX memory cards so you can load the custom steps you make at home on your Playstation to the arcade so you can impress the bitches (by bitches I mean your glow-stick raver friends).

Didn't they just recently kill this system? (1)

cdtoad (14065) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509278)

Didn't I see something [slashdot.org] about how SNK was discontinuing opperations? And why are these games SOOOOOOOOOOO expensive? It's no like Street Fighter is that new!

Re:Didn't they just recently kill this system? (4, Informative)

randomErr (172078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509351)

On the SNK issue: Sengoku 3 is the last game they will be publishing. Also remember the SNK isn't NEO-GEO, although they are the main publisher for the system.

On the price of the games: The games come out with 90-600 meg cartrages. It's nothing for those cart to come out with 20-150 individual burned chips.

That a lot silicon compared to the data stored on a CD-ROM or now a days a DVD-ROM.

Re:Didn't they just recently kill this system? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509738)

Uhm, the largest game that I'm aware of is KOF 2k1 which is 892 megaBITs not megaBYTES. Do the math and that's 111.5 megaBYTES.

Imagine (0, Redundant)

Dutchy Wutchy (547108) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509281)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!

Oh wait, bad timing.

/me shuns Dutchy Wutchy

fond farewell (1)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509284)

I think anyone who came of age in the late 80's and early 90's (colloquially known as "the 80's") will testify to the wonder and mystique of the so-called Neo Geo.

Hours spent playing games.

This was the architecture that paved the way for the 32-bit and better machines and consoles that today are commonplace. In addition to the introduction of parallelism and coprocessing into games, Neo Geo raised the bar for graphics and presaged the whole "multimedia" craze hyped by the media and ignored by consumers.

Modern PC games pale by comparison.

Yet I think they will rise again.

Re:fond farewell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509297)

i must have been really poor or something, but paying a few hundred bucks for a game kinda put the neo geo out of my reach. still now that i am old enough to work for the money, paying a few hundred dollars for a game still seems, um.. stupid?

This is somewhat ridiculous... (1)

Qwerpafw (315600) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509286)

More people probably play neo geo games via emulator than own the console...

I mean, its like saying that Windows 3.1 is an amzingly viable OS right now just because some programs run in it/are used in XP under the compatibility layer.

It seems that "usability" and "playability" is always the argument brought up by die-hard fanatical supporters of dying/dead platforms. And I would know, as a mac user, that this doesn't buy crap in the real world. If the hardware, and more importantly, the games, are crap, then no-one will think even once about buying it. And right now, games with 3d are what people want. I just feel like laughing at whoever would be willing to pay the price to actually buy one of these things, especially when the dreamcast is ultra-cheap. (Now there is a decent 'dead' console. Don't give me that 80's crap)

Of course, I could give you a great deal on an old Amiga, if you're interested ;-)

Re:This is somewhat ridiculous... (2)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509643)

It is a matter of taste. Some people prefer the simplistic action of a 2D fighter like Samurai Shodown. The simplistic hard-core 2D action of the Metal Slug series is also a fun escapist hobby; I certainly have enjoyed many hours of that.

Yes, it's not a "popular" genre, that's why it's called a niche market.

"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)" (3, Insightful)

DarkDust (239124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509291)

That's why my girl-friend and me were playing SNES and Genesis games the last weeks :-) Toe Jam and Earl rules ;-) Besides, is it just me or are there really fewer types of games released today ? I mean, have you seen any scrolling shooters like R-Type lately, or adventures ? Even jump'n'runs seem to be rare today :-( Damn 3D-philia !

Re:"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509345)


Gradius III/IV were released for the PS2, as well as Silpheed.

R-Type Delta and Square's (!) Einhander were stellar PSX shooters that came out in the last few years.

Re:"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)" (1)

DarkDust (239124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509368)

Gradius III/IV were released for the PS2, as well as Silpheed. R-Type Delta and Square's (!) Einhander were stellar PSX shooters that came out in the last few years.

I didn't know that, thnx a lot :-)

Instant gratification (2, Insightful)

Ixohoxi (170656) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509385)

Games and gamers are like a binary star, each revolves around the other. Change in one influences the other, recursively. Yesterday's game maker had to make a great game to make alot of money. Now that there are so many more gamers, the stakes are higher. Marketing can turn a mediocre game into a money-maker.

Take that recipe, and repeat over and over. Eventually, the game landscape looks like it does today. Tons of 3-D intensive games, loads of RTS and their offspring, and a slew of sports games. Indeed, what happened to innovative side-scrollers, stimulating puzzlers, and more traditional games?

Kids today are obsessed with visuals. If the game doesn't look kick-ass, they don't want to play it. If the game doesn't involve fragging and dying every 30 seconds, they don't want to play it. Most of today's kids want the immediate gratification that games like Q3, UT, HL, etc. offer.

True, there are some types of thought that these gamers are exhibiting, that more traditional games might not bring out. But today's game doesn't make gamers really think. Many of today's games are simply proceed to the next goal, then repeat. Whatever happened to games that you wanted to play until you mastered them?

Those types of games are not conducive to money-making in today's gaming market. You have to buy the sequel! The upgrade! The expansion pack! You can't just pay $35 to have a game you want to play over and over. Like Tetris. If games were drugs, the addictiveness of Tetris is like cocaine, whereas that of say a highly popular FPS is like crack. That's why. Don't increase replayability, increase addictiveness!

Re:Instant gratification (4, Interesting)

Croaker (10633) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509912)

Kids today are obsessed with visuals. If the game doesn't look kick-ass, they don't want to play it. If the game doesn't involve fragging and dying every 30 seconds, they don't want to play it. Most of today's kids want the immediate gratification that games like Q3, UT, HL, etc. offer.


That's exactly the opposite of what I think. The games these days require so much investment of time in order to master. Take a look at most FPS games, or most of the console fighting games these days. You need to learn a half-dozen to a dozen different commands, dodges, weapon combos, and advanced strategies. It's hard to get into these games unless you're a kid who has a load of time to kill.



Me, I'd like to get a quick gaming fix now and again, but I simply don't have the time to invest in the average game these days. Bring back more of the games with simpler, easily accessable gameplay. Stop equating "more complex" with "more fun." You can still create a game that can hold long-term interest while being accessable. It's just harder.



Re:"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)" (1)

MonkeyDluffy (577002) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509498)

We have a playstation 2 with over a dozen games, but my 10 year old son frequently likes to play the games included with KDE instead.

Remember, chess is only a 2-D game :).

-mdl

Re:"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)" (4, Funny)

imr (106517) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509499)

It's true about girl-friends as well.

Re:"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)" (1)

Judge_Fire (411911) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509629)


"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)"

Get both, get a GameCube.

Highly addictive and very playable 3D- titles, like Super Monkey Ball, prove the point. Can't wait for Mario and Zelda... Miyamoto- san knows playability like no other.

J

Re:"I'm picking playability over 3d anyday :)" (1)

NETHED (258016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509795)

Today's games are too hard! How many buttons are on a PS2 controller?

to shoot, hold this button, while pushing this other button every second, while moving the left analog directional joystick around counter clockwise Too much depth in the game to make the casual gamer want to learn.
I like SNES. Great system, cheap games, hours of playability. ZERO learning curve.
And if the game doesn't want to work, you just BLOW on the cartrige real hard. Now THATS interactivity!

Spacetripper (1)

fdsa (78632) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509863)

Spacetripper [pompom.org.uk] is more like Defender than R-Type, but a beautiful game regardless. There's even a Linux version available. Perfect combination of gameplay and graphics, IMO.

Neo Geo has never been popular at home (2, Interesting)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509299)

For reasons including its exorbitant price, the Neo Geo has never been a big hit with the home market.

It has some pretty impressive hardware, which makes it a popular machine for arcades. With the processing power of today's machines, it isn't an exaggeration to say that Neo Geo was ahead of its time.

Neo-Geo? Pah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509300)

I've got a PC Engine and NES, why would I want a Neo-Geo?

Re:Neo-Geo? Pah! (1)

DarkDust (239124) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509311)

Simply because there are great games avaible for the Neo-Geo, especially if you like fighting games :-) I've never owned one but a friend of mine has, and the Neo-Geo is a really cool console with really cool games.

Re:Neo-Geo? Pah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509347)

Or I could use MAME & sell the PC Engine on EBay?

Playabilty... (0)

n4zgl (578195) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509303)

...that elusive x-factor that makes a great game greater. Anyone remember Gauntlet? Hours of few running round a seemingly never ending series of levels. Much later, when Dark Legacy, Gauntlet II came out as new improved 3D, a lot of that rambo effect of decimating hordes of ghosts seemed lost.

Re:Playabilty... (3, Insightful)

mccalli (323026) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509341)

Anyone remember Gauntlet?

I do. I remember it to be a fantastic game, and spent hours and hours playing it. Sadly, the harsh reality of MAME emulation means that I can play today what I simply remembered before. It can be unforgiving experience - loading it up now I find the magic has gone.

However, your general point on playability is well taken and I entirely agree. How about Jumping Jack Flash on the Spectrum? Mono graphics, a stick figure and some 2-pixel high black lines with gaps. A fabulous game that I still play today.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Playabilty... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509365)

I've had the same feeling, but don't worry. It will eventually come to you.

One day, or night, you'll be sitting at a desk, pulling your hair out.

The next thing you know, you're defeating the vile Red Falcon and saving the universe, at the cost of your job.

Congratulations! You're a hero.

Re:Playabilty... (2)

Jon Peterson (1443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509571)

Actually, that's true of most games. None of the old C64 games that used to enthrall me are worth 5 minutes of my time now. Stuff like Elite that seemed incredible in 1985 is just utterly dull now.

But, some games are starting to last the distance now. I still play PC games that are up to 5 years old, and not even the graphics look particularly dated. Apart from games that just hurl workload at the 3D accelerator, there's little advancement now that taxes computer technology that much from generation to generation. Check out the minimum PC specs on the side of games these days - they just aren't changing much.

Us morality (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509306)

There are only three countries in the whole world with death-penalty for children : Iran, saoudi-arabia, and the united states ... isn't it time the US abolishes fundamentalism ?
The US, moral worldleader ? urgh ...

Another Hater Wannabe. (-1, Flamebait)

Mulletproof (513805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509632)

Note parent doesn't list his country of origin. Hypocrite. Lets review some facts-

In 1992, the United States ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Article 6(5) of this international human rights treaty requires that the death penalty not be used on those who committed their crimes when they were below the age of 18

At which point I have to ask the author of the comment if he considers 18 year olds "childern". Also note....

Countries which have the death penalty for ordinary crimes, of which most have a limiting age of 18.

AFGHANISTAN, ALGERIA, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, ARMENIA, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BENIN, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHILE, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GABON, GHANA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KENYA, KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBERIA, LIBYA, MALAWI, MALAYSIA, MAURITANIA, MONGOLIA, MOROCCO, MYANMAR, NIGERIA, NORTH KOREA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PHILIPPINES, QATAR, RUSSIAN FEDERATION, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SOUTH KOREA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, TUNISIA, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, YUGOSLAVIA (Federal Republic), ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE


So please, check your facts [msu.edu] before spewing your righteous indignation upon people who actually know better.

For the rest, sorry for the off-topic. I just can't stand these people.

What an asshole move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509307)

Linking neo-geo.com from /.? Gimme a break. If you ever visited the site you would know it is a community-based site with boards/chat/etc. I have a feeling many will be pissed at /. for this inconsiderate /.ing.

gosh...... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509313)

I remember back when this was new. I had a super nintendo, and I thought:

"wow neo-geo is a 32 bit system!!!! that has got to be the pinical of gaming technology!!!! it will never get better than that!!!"

little did I know......it didn't :-) (that was a joke)

Re:gosh...... (1)

jallen02 (124384) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509327)

Neo Geo had the same main processors as a sega Genesis (A 68000 and a Z80). IIRC it just had a much, much, better graphics chipset.

Jeremy

Re:gosh...... (1)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509370)

I think the biggest (only?) reason for the superior graphics was that NEO-GEO modules are much bigger (physically and logically) than those of any ROM-based console ever. E.g. Metal Slug 3 has 708 Mb. 708 Mb, IN ROM CHIPS! Compare that to the puny 16 Mb Genesis or SNES Modules.

Re:gosh...... (1)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509503)

Yep, unlike other consoles, they never, ever used data compression in their carts.

Looking for big ROMs? Try GBA (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509638)

I think the biggest (only?) reason for the superior graphics was that NEO-GEO modules are much bigger (physically and logically) than those of any ROM-based console ever. E.g. Metal Slug 3 has 708 Mb. 708 Mb, IN ROM CHIPS! Compare that to the puny 16 Mb Genesis or SNES Modules.

The Game Boy Advance (16 MiHz ARM processor, Super NES-like graphics chipset) may soon top that. Right now, you can buy Visoly flash cartridges that hold 512 megabits [lik-sang.com] . The biggest current games are only 64 megabits, but that will change as prices fall.

Re:gosh...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509469)

One of the problems with porting games from Neo Geo to Playstation is ram. IIRC the neogeo had like 16-20mb Dram. Where the PSX had only 2mb of usable system ram. Therefore heavy compression that takes a lot of CPU power had to be instated. As well as modifying the sprites to work better with the playstation's graphics system for scaling and such.

Niche platforms. (2)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509314)

If you think 2d games are cool, then you should check out http://www.neo-geo.com for more information about one of the greatest 2d platforms of all time.

Check out the Sega Saturn too -- they're pretty close to free in the used game shops around here, and absolutely kick ass for 2d gaming.

Street Fighter Alpha 2, for example. [drool]

--saint

Re:Niche platforms. (-1)

count_sporkula (446625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509335)

the Atari Jaguar is better :)

very cheap on ebay too. I still play Raiden for a few hours every month and Pitfall : the mayan adventure is a kick ass platformer.

then theres the Jeff Minter games, Tempest 2000 and Defender 2000 ... it doesn't get better than that.

Re:Niche platforms. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509543)

Oh, give me a break. Saturn is arguably better than PSX, let alone the Jaguar. Radiant Silvergun and Panzer Dragoon Saga alone are better than any other 32 bit games ever put out.

Re:Niche platforms. (-1)

count_sporkula (446625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509815)

yeah, but -techically- the Jaguar was 64bit ... :)

from: http://www.retro-games.co.uk/atari/Jaguar/jaguar.h tm

world's first 64-bit home console video game system. Developed after three years of research, manufactured by IBM. It was originally bundled with CYBERMORPH

Jaguar Specs
5 Processors
'Tom'
32-bit RISC GPU. [programmable]
64-bit RISC Object PU.
64-bit RISC Blitting PU
'Jerry'
32 bit DSP.
Also PPU: Motorolla 16 bit 68000 running at 13.295 MHz

Jaguar? Uhhhghg... (1)

Mulletproof (513805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509700)

No. The Jaguar sux. Hardcore. Actually, maybe the hardware doesn't but I remember when I bought mine. I said, that's cool... But then I began to realize that beyond a handful of games, everything else was crap. And then I was stupid enough to pick up the toilet bowl CDROM and played "Monty Python's Air Combat", otherwise known as Blue Lightining, and all my hopes for the system crumbled. I'm sorry, but beyond the handful of classics (some of which can be picked up on other consoles easily these days), there's simply no way you can compare it to the arcade emulating console of the Neo. And I don't even like the Neo Geo.

Re:Jaguar? Uhhhghg... (-1)

count_sporkula (446625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509834)

>And then I was stupid enough to pick up the toilet bowl CDROM and played

i agree the CDROM 'thing' was a waste of space, but the console was pretty good for it's day.

Not a CD based system! (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509521)


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Streaming (2, Interesting)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509676)

Loading....

The consumer version of the Neo-Geo (i.e. the version where each game didn't cost three figures) was CD-based. And loading isn't that bad if you can cover it up with an announcer yelling "Ryu vs. Chun-Li" or something (I don't know SNK characters, so I'm using Capcom here). Plus, you can stream data into RAM as it's needed, which is very useful for scrolling shooters such as the 194? games. If you want to see a beautiful example of streaming in action, try Einhänder for PS1.

Re:Niche platforms. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509564)

Amen, brother. Saturn is one of the most underappreciated systems out there, and my favorite by far.

holy shit I feel old (1)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509317)

I remember when Neo Geo just hit the arcades and I got a neogeo card for Xmas. 12 years is a long time for one of the last "new" things I remember in the arcades.

Maybe I've been gaming a bit too much :P

Samurai Shodown (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509340)

The Samurai Shodown games are still the best fighting games ever. Especially parts 1 & 2. Street Fighter,Virtua Fighter, and Tekken are for pussies.

Re:Samurai Shodown (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509378)

Damn right, and not just because SS had an actual non-testosterone-supplement-taking chick.

Mmm, Cham Cham.

*laugh*

Plus, Jubei had no shortage of Chicken McNuggets, let me tell you.

I swear to god, SS is the only reason I ever downloaded Mame. For me, I disliked almost all fighting games. Steet Fighter was.. too cartoonish. Virtua Fighter, well, everyone was just ugly and all polygonic. Tekken? Well, I loved the background music for Tekken 2, but that's about it.

There was, and is, but one series that had it all - good graphics, blood, stellar gameplay, bitchin' music, and people who weren't plain ugly.

Why it failed (3, Insightful)

Chardish (529780) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509352)

Yeah, the performance was great, but a $1,000 system with games that cost $100 a piece was not going to be picked up by the gaming public in an era where the primary game players were under 18 at the time. Also the hardware was ahead of the time, but Neo-Geo emulates fine on my secondary PC (333 mhZ K6-2 with only 64 MB of RAM).

Bottom line? Stick with a PS2 or GameCube, you get more bang for your buck. (But less geek appeal...)

-Evan

Re:Why it failed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509478)

Umm.. Actually it was a 500 system.

More bang for your buck with a PS2? Sorry, but 90% of PS2 games are crap compared to the great neo geo games.

C64 (2, Informative)

Erik K. Veland (574016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509353)

People are still making games for C64 [c64.com] too...

Re:C64 (5, Informative)

BigJimSlade (139096) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509558)

People are still making games for C64

People are still making the C64 [geocities.com] itself! (I submitted this to /. last week but it got rejected, so feel free to mod me up :)

When I was a kid.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509360)

..I looked in my gaming magazines and said, "WTF is that?"

Yeah. For a few unattainable hundred (Work? Paper route? Fsck that. I didn't waste any time being a kid.), I could've had a Neo Geo.

If not for Mame, I'd still blow several hundred on one. That, or a full blown arcade box.

But, thanks to Mame, I can get my Samurai Spirits fix, without going bankrupt on archaic machinery. :p

AFAIK, you can only get a Neo Geo now from places like E-Bay and such. The prices are ridiculous unless you get lucky.

But if they could take a Neo Geo and shove it into some sort of handheld.. They'd make a killing.

Think about it, how many of you, who waste time travelling to work each morning, grew up on Gauntlet?

How many of you wouldn't pay a fair slice for that retro feeling?

(Okay, okay, how many of you wouldn't mind the stares you'd get when you curse that damned elf for shooting the food?)

Re:When I was a kid.. (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509516)

Does anyone know if Gauntlet has been released or is being made for Gameboy Advance?

Four players, drool....

Metal Slug = greatest shoot 'em up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509369)

If anyone hasn't had the chance to play through the Metal Slug series, you must! It is, without a doubt, the greatest shoot-em-up ever.
Other Neo Geo titles to check out:

King of Fighters series -- particularly '98
Last Blade 1,2 -- LB2 is a masterpiece
Garou: Mark of the Wolves -- my fav fighter
Samurai Shodown series -- particularly 2
Blazing Star -- incredible shooter
Shock Troopers -- just the 1st one.

SNK fighers simply blow away Capcom's in terms of gameplay. Last Blade 2 and Garou particularly have tighter more strategic gameplay than any offering from Capcom. It is no wonder the greatest gamers in HK and Korea eat SNK's offerings up.

Pocket Colour? (1)

Te1waz (453498) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509375)

Everybody seems to be reminiscing about when "every game was unique" in the 80's. I just looked at the Neo-geo site, and most of the games appear to be 'Street Fighter' clones or variations.

Get a grip, I have a Pocket Colour I bought just before the unit was pulled from Europe and all I can get are the same few game types.

What about the early to mid 80's(C64, Speccy etc.)? There were far fewer game clones then.

Hang on, I think I've turned into Granpa from the Simpsons...

In my day.... blah blah yadda yadda rhubarb

Re:Pocket Colour? (3, Interesting)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509664)

Most of the fighting games are "Street Fighter" clones, heck I thought that the characters from World Heroes were direct rip-offs (one character had the appearance of M. Bison(US)/Vega(JP) and the "stretch" ability of Dhalsim). Samurai Shodown had its own unique style however. The Metal Slug series is hardly an original genre, but its intense action and cartoonish humour gives it a cult following.

Yes, many of the fighting games are SF ripoffs (which is why it was so easy to create Capcom vs. SNK) and many of the other games were rips of other genres (lots of Double Dragon/Final Fight type games), but there were a few gems amongs the bunch and almost all of them looked pretty.

Failed? (1)

Eitch (52541) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509389)

I don't think so. The Neo-geo bios is always running in every place, on arcade machines. There are LOTS of Games running, and they're the best choice for all the gamers I know. Specially the King Of Fighters games are the preferred fighting game for everybody I know.

IMHO, SNK make the best fighting games, like Fatal Fury series, King Of Fighting series, Last Blade, Samurai Showdown, ... There's a place here in town that I always go, and while the King Of Fighters machine is always occupied by someone, the "Capcom vs. Street Fighter" machine running a dreamcast is always empty... Playability is all! The fancy graphics aren't always the best choice...

Get a Neo Geo MVS (4, Informative)

nuxx (10153) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509397)

If you're looking for a Neo Geo and find the prices of the home consoles high, look into one of the arcade games themselves. The arcade versions are high, but the low price of the games balances things out. I picked up (locally) a 4-slot (meaning, capable of holding four games at once and switching between them) Neo Geo with a 27" monitor for $500 - $600. Throw in another $30 for new buttons and joysticks (that anyone with a basic knowledge should be able to install) and it'll play just like new. MVS (arcade version) games on eBay typically go for much less than their AES (home version) because they were produced in larger quantities. Many games weren't even released for home play ever. You can find games anywhere from $3/ea to $300/ea, but you should be able to assemble a complete Neo Geo MVS arcade collection for under $1000. I did.

There's just something so much nicer about the original hardware. Even if you do build your own emulation machine. (Which is also in my collection: http://www.nuxx.net/gallery/arcade)

Mmm... Magical Drop III tournaments on a 27".

-Steve

Re:Get a Neo Geo MVS (1)

peteshaw (99766) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509798)

I think you can get a JAMMA cabinet even cheaper. I picked up one for about 250$.


Then a Neo-Geo 1-slot Jamma Card for about 100$, and top it off with Metal SLug, both found on ebay for 150$ and 50$, respectively.


And I agree-- go with the arcade flavor. much nicer.

Cart prices killed (2)

squaretorus (459130) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509431)

I remember the NeoGeo being up against the Sega MegaDrive (Genesis) in the old playground 'my console could have your console' battles. The Nintendo was for poofs and kids, the MegaDrive was mainstream, and the techie boys loved the NeoGeo to pieces.

Only the PCEngine was worth more street cred - but that was because you could actually get games for it! The NeoGeo games available in the UK went for at least £100, sometimes £250.

Mmmmmmm.... Metal Sluuuuuug

Re:Cart prices killed (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509528)

I'd say Super Nintendo was more mainstream than Sega Megadrive. SNES pretty much reamed MD.

Hey, I agree! (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509483)


I'm picking playability over 3d anyday

Looks like I'm not the only one who hasn't been brainwashed by SCEA that unaliased jagged jumpy polygons AREN'T the future!

$$$Money$$$ (2, Informative)

Mulletproof (513805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509488)

Yeah, and this had to be one of the most expensive consoles ever sold with the most expensive games to boot. I'm one for playability, but damn. If only every console had such a long shelf life and retained their value as well as this one... Maybe my NG Pocket will do the same ^__^

Perhaps some of you already know. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509501)

SNK filed for Chapter 11 last year and the rights for the games were picked up by obscure companies (among them are Playmore and Korea's Eolith). Anyone who has seen the latest King Of Fighters game (2001) knows that the NG's glory days are over.

Also, the system can be easily emulated on low-end computers (NeoRageX ran full speed on my 400mhz laptop) and all of the games are floating around the net.

Someone should do what Capcom did and move the classic franchises to a more advanced, more difficult-to-emulate system.

Playability... (1, Troll)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509508)

I'm picking playability over 3d anyday

And you're talking about the Neo Geo here?

Uh... the same game system which had some of the world's crappiest games on it, both in the arcade and on the home system?

Look, if you want cheap and playable then go out and get a $200 PC and play PC games from yesteryear. Go get MAME and other emulators and also play old arcade games like Qbert, Qix, Dig Dug, and so forth.

Neo Geo 3D (2, Interesting)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509513)

It should be noted that there is a 64-bit version of the Neo Geo. It's called the Hyper NEO GEO 64, although I think it's only an arcade board. The only game I know of released on it was called Samurai Shodown 64, which I suppose is not the same as Samurai Shodown 4.

You know, you could probably buy a NEO GEO arcade motherboard for about $50, then pick up a JAMMA cabinet with a crap game in it for $200, and you wouldn't have to worry about encryption OR copyright violation OR finding ROM dumps.

Playability over 3D? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509556)

I'm picking playability over 3d anyday

Hey, listen, I am all for 2D gaming (stubbornly so, in fact), but that attitude is silly. A better attitude would be saying you pick playability over graphics, or something of the sort. Just because a game is 3D doesn't make it crap compared to 2D. I mean, hell, look at Ico.

Geo had the magic (1)

sat985 (579148) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509648)

Hand drawn animation, well thought out music. Characters WITH character. SNK did it right. They've had their ups and downs, Should have stuck with the NGCD system, just needed a little more ram and a slightly faster cd drive. As a sidenote, those guys at neo-geo.com are a little crazy, so much as a mention of roms and they'll ban your ass. I suppose it'd be because the guy that runs the place makes a livin off those fools that will pay upto $5k for a cart. Mind you they were never more than $400 tops direct from SNK. Once its sold out from snk, and been dumped just get one of those x-sticks or whatever they are called and play it on mame. some anti-aliasing definately makes it better. I'd suggest trying out last blade 2, damned good game. Neo-Geo=arcade fighters Saturn=Best shooters Latest and greatest=flashy crap There was also a system SNK released, hyper neo 64 I believe, 64bit arcade machine. you can pick one up for $500 or so. there were only a handful of games made for it. Essentialy just a step up in the graphics.

3DO anybody? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509728)

I think it was soon after the NEO GEO and just before the original Playstation that the 3DO came out. Great graphics, nice design, up to 8 players with the controlers daisy chained and each controler had it's own headphone jack with volume control. But there were few worhtwhile games and the console went the way of the dodo once the playstation hit the street. But it was the first time one could play Dragon's Lair at home whith graphics that matched the arcade version. The 3DO FIFA game is still the best soccer game on any platform. I just plugged my system back up for some 4 on 4 FIFA action!!

Why only Action and Fighting games? (1)

Mupp252 (263650) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509822)

It's amazing how SNK has been able to keep somewhat of a hold on the gaming market with what would be considered "outdated" hardware by industry standards.

What I've always questioned, though, is why are they only focusing on fighting and action based games? I think they would get much more exposure if they ever released a sequel to Crystalis. Just a thought...

I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3509841)

Whose idea was it to come out with all this 3D crap?! When I first saw Super Mario 64, I thought it looked like pure crap. I knew I would play it, and I did, and I hated it. I miss the old 2D games.

Rom Sizes (2, Interesting)

racerx509 (204322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509898)

I was always wondering, why were NeoGeo titles so expensive. Besides manufacturing a limited amount of titles, its the rom size. Has anyone ever taken a look at the rom size of these things? Some of the games are 48mb, some are 64mb. Thats gotta drive the cost up. Aside from N64, I don't think any other cart based systems have had roms this large.
Whats the largest Neo Geo cart anyway?

insert subject (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3509961)

Woo. [penny-arcade.com]
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