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Post-it Notes vs. Copy-Inhibited CDs

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the look-forward-to-computer-yard-sales dept.

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rjoseph writes "MacUser is running an article about how the new Celine Dion CD A New Day Has Come with copy protection mechanisms to prevent the CD from being played on a PC not only won't play on an iMac, but it will lock the CD tray (so it can't be removed) and fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac. Ouch." We mentioned this interesting experiment in consumer relations last month as well, but now it's getting noticed a lot more. However, emkman writes: "What was first thought to be an April Fool's joke, now appears to be true. Some Audio CD protection schemes such as Cactus DATA Shield 100/200, KeyAudio, and perhaps others may be defeated by invalidating the outer ring of the CD with a black marker or post-it sticky note. www.chip.de has their report in German, here is a translation."

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Class Action Lawsuit! (4, Funny)

NETHED (258016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513772)

GO buy one now!! I want a new computer at their expense!

Re:Class Action Lawsuit! (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513799)

Two words:

Alton Brown [altonbrown.com]

Boba Fett is a slope (-1)

ObitMan (550793) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513926)

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But hey.. (0, Offtopic)

distributed.karma (566687) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513773)

An iMac is not a PC!

Re:But hey.. (0, Offtopic)

CaptainCarrot (84625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513893)

You kids... Back in the old days, PC was generic for "Personal Computer". The Apple ][ was always called a PC, as were most CP/M machines. It took IBM's marketing machine to attach the term exclusively to their machines -- and later, those compatable with them.

There's really no reason to reserve the term exclusively for one particular architecture.

Re:But hey.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513946)

I don't know why, but I was told that a company does not want its brand name used generically (Coke, Kleenex, etc.).

If true, your "IBM marketing machine" theory goes out the window.

Oh no! (2, Funny)

Villain (19081) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513779)

Damnit, I was really looking forward to that new Celine CD too. Guess I'll have to spend my money on Aphex Twin instead.

Re:Oh no! (1)

Invictus2.0 (570276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513925)

According to the Campain for Digital Rights: "druqks" by Aphex Twin: Reported protected by key2audio in Germany by several people. Can't be played on a computer or laptop, nor copied to MiniDisc or a hi-fi CD recorder. UK release appears to be unprotected. Also reported unprotected in Belgium and the USA."

first post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513780)

w00t

WoooooT! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513782)

fp, llamas are good!!!!!!!

But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (1, Funny)

squidinkcalligraphy (558677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513784)

Certainly not anyone I know who owns a mac

Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (2, Funny)

Brigadoon (520066) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513821)

Certainly not anyone I know who owns a mac

I hate to stereotype, but at the risk of doing so, I'd wager that Mac users are more likely to listen to Celine Dion than otherwise.

Pooling from all of the computer users I know - if that's any decent demographic - Linux users would most certainly not fall under the Celine Dion fans. Windows users, it seems, tend to be more alternative, pop, rap, ad nauseum. And finally, Mac users are more oldies, soft rock, etc. This of course is NOT any real indication of what people listen to; not science, just my own personal observations generalized.

I've never seen a person sing "My Heart Will Go On" while recompiling their kernel.

-X

Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513853)

I hate to stereotype, but at the risk of doing so, I'd wager that Mac users are more likely to listen to Celine Dion than otherwise.

This is the most obnoxious sentence I've seen in a while.

You *hate* to stereotype? Really? I guess you don't hate it enough to NOT DO IT.

Pooling from all of the computer users I know - if that's any decent demographic

No, it is not a decent demographic.

This of course is NOT any real indication of what people listen to; not science, just my own personal observations generalized.

It is also TOTALLY useless and has no bearing on anything.

Having a disclaimer like "I really hate it when people do this, but..." just makes you seem like even *more* of an ass than if you come out and say it.

Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513856)

Gee, and they say us -1 posters fill the board with garbage...Mr. Bridgadoon, if you need attention, might I suggest saying something of substance?

Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513869)

substance [altonbrown.com]

Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (1)

rot26 (240034) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513859)

I hate to stereotype, but at the risk of doing so, I'd wager that Mac users are more likely to listen to Celine Dion than otherwise.

I have to disagree. As a mac owner, my only characterizations of typical Mac owners would be that they are more likely to drive Volvos and more likely to think that their presidential candidate was robbed in the last election. (Neither of which apply to me, I have a Honda, invariably vote Republican or Libertarian)

Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (1)

farfolen (567038) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513923)

if it means anything, im getting a mac and im republican driving a chevy lumina.

Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513953)

Republicans on Slashdot? Jebus. What happened to the vast left-wing conspiracy we had going on?

What garbage (0, Troll)

smaug195 (535681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513785)

It's goddamn ridiculous that this CD can break a computer, when you are performing a legal action with it. This is illegal, and I think Sony should be fined extremely heavily for it.

Re:What garbage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513898)

Forget fined. How about drawn and quartered? Or keel-hauled? Or put in a room and made to listen to the Cilion Dion CD over and over untill there brain shuts down in self defense.

Re:What garbage (1)

smaug195 (535681) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513924)

Or put in a room and made to listen to the Cilion Dion CD over and over untill there brain shuts down in self defense.
NO! How could one human being inflict such things on another?

Punishment (2, Funny)

line-bundle (235965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513788)

They are just punishing you for listening to Celine Dion. YOu deserve it.

Re:Punishment (5, Funny)

kisrael (134664) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513815)

They are just punishing you for listening to Celine Dion. YOu deserve it.

No, this is your karmically-correct punishment for buying the Celine Dion CD...listening is its own punishment.

Oh for goodness sakes! (0, Informative)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513789)

The firmware doesn't go foobar. The iMac isn't destroyed. Most CD drives have a mechanical (manual) eject that can be hit with a pen or paper clip. In that case you can just pull the CD out and you're fine.

In other cases, perhaps you might need to get creative to get that CD out. Perhaps you need to pull the drive apart - who knows. The point is, the article made it clear that there is no permanent damage to the machine. Get the CD out, and everything goes back to normal.

Clarification (1, Redundant)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513800)

Sorry - money where my mouth is. I read a different article on this subject with more detail at New Scientist [newscientist.com] today which mentioned that. No permanent damage. There.

Re:Clarification (1)

caca_phony (465655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513917)

from the article:
As we reported last month, Celine's latest offering - A New Day Has Come - features copy-protection to prevent it being played and duplicated in a PC, and that same copy-protection was believed to be capable of damaging the PC's firmware.
I value a positive claim over a negative claim in this case. If New Scientist had some proof from Apple (their source) that there was no damage to firmware, that would be another thing.

Re:Oh for goodness sakes! (5, Informative)

Dephex Twin (416238) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513802)

Most CD drives have a mechanical (manual) eject that can be hit with a pen or paper clip. In that case you can just pull the CD out and you're fine.

The new iMac doesn't have any manual way to do it.
In other cases, perhaps you might need to get creative to get that CD out. Perhaps you need to pull the drive apart - who knows. The point is, the article made it clear that there is no permanent damage to the machine.

Oh of course. All you have to do is dismantle the computer and void your warranty to get the CD out? Man, some people are just whiners!

mark

Not a big deal, folks... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513836)

Apple tells how [apple.com] to get the job done in this tech note...not to worry.

Re:Not a big deal, folks... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513858)

Of course you could find it a little troublesome to read Apple's technotes when your computer is knocked-out by Celine Dion.

Re:Not a big deal, folks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513879)

Yes, you can hopefully do one of the things on that page in order to get things working again. Otherwise, though, you have to send it in for repairs or do it yourself.

Re:Oh for goodness sakes! (-1, Flamebait)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513886)

Oh of course. All you have to do is dismantle the computer and void your warranty to get the CD out? Man, some people are just whiners!

It's not really the CD maker's fault that Apple is a bunch of idiots.

Re:Oh for goodness sakes! (2)

Gaccm (80209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513840)

while i don't know the details. The article said that the macs had to be sent in for repair which sounds to me to be worse than just a jammed CD.

Hold the mouse button down (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513890)

If you hold the mouse button down while turning a Mac on it will eject the CD from the drive before it boots up.

Re:Oh for goodness sakes! (3, Insightful)

Hiro Antagonist (310179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513931)

You're a tool; how'd you like it if the following took place whilst filling up your car:

"Sure! C'mon, if you put our gas in your car, it's absolutely trivial to drain the fuel system and use non-protected gasoline; you'll just have to get that from...uh...er...somewhere else.

But there's no permanent damage or anything..."

Re:Oh for goodness sakes!-frisbee. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513933)

" The firmware doesn't go foobar. The iMac isn't destroyed. Most CD drives have a mechanical (manual) eject that can be hit with a pen or paper clip. In that case you can just pull the CD out and you're fine."

Be careful doing that. Boy who thought a CD could fly that far?

deadness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513791)

that sounds fun... killing the machine

PANTS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513792)

PANTS.

Old news (1, Redundant)

donutello (88309) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513794)

Haven't we seen this article before? [slashdot.org]

Bring on the Celine Dion jokes.

Re:Old news again (2)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513826)

And before [slashdot.org] .

oh well... (3, Insightful)

madcowherd (473162) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513795)

they wonder why CD sales are down.

This explains how to get the drive to open... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513805)

Re:This explains how to get the drive to open... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513934)

offtopic? idiot moderators.. click the fucking link with images off or use links or lynx to check a link before you mod offtopic.

Bad programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513809)

My God, firmware that can fubar like this? The programmer(s) should be shot.

Of course, it was probably 10 people working on it, no one knew what the other guy was doing, and they were all people who never touched this stuff when they were kids, but after 4 years at University, they're 'experts'.

Excellent.

Taking it too far (3, Insightful)

Man of E (531031) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513811)

Seriously, breaking someone's machine intentionally is a bit excessive. Past copy-protection schemes were okay in my book because laymen couldn't get past them and people who bothered/could were in the minority: piracy prevention but without excess. But now the little laymen who don't bother reading the little warning labels are having their iMacs broken? This is affecting the luddites who don't know or care about p2p filesharing and buy all CDs and just assume they'll play in their CD players. Is the industry trying to alienate the people who still trusted it?

Be careful (1)

datastew (529152) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513813)

fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac. . . . Some Audio CD protection schemes such as Cactus DATA Shield 100/200, KeyAudio, and perhaps others may be defeated by invalidating the outer ring of the CD with a black marker or post-it sticky note. www.chip.de has their report in German, here is a translation."

When playing around with the opportunity to kill my firmware, I would wait for a real English article to tell me what to do, instead of relying on a translation [google.com] . But maybe I'm just being paranoid.

Re:Be careful (5, Funny)

logical1010 (561996) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513913)

From the German translation:

To hardly seize: With a simple felt marker you outwit Sony Music & CO and notice your right to a backup copy.

Take that Sony Music & CO, I hardly seize you with my simple felt marker and notice my right to a backup copy! You have been outwitted!

Finally someone who realizes.... (5, Funny)

Cynical_Dude (548704) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513814)

... what the correct way to treat a Celine Dion CD is. Summary of article: a.) Buy black marker b.) paint underside of CD completely black Next up: The correct way to treat your boy group cds. a.) Buy some acetone b.) ...

DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513816)

It is a violation of the DMCA to post the "black-marker" work around? Will this /. story be obliterated from Google? Can you please post the inevitable cease-and-desist before RIAA shuts /. down?

Celine has a right to make a living, ya know. Poor girl.

Re:DMCA (2, Redundant)

wilko11 (452421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513845)

Does this also mean that black markers and Post-It Notes are anti-cirumvention devices that must be banned?

Re:DMCA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513941)

Not anti-circumvention devices. It's simply 'circumvention devices.' But yes, they must be banned now.

Re:DMCA (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513891)

well the article is in a german magazine and in germany you have a right to make a backup copy for yourself.

Arrest the president of 3M. (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513954)

They make a content control cirmcumvention device.

Arrest him.

What is the difference, except that Dimitri works for a SPAMWARE company.

Capitolism in action. (1)

TheQuantumShift (175338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513817)

What do we do to get more people buying cd's? Lower the price to a reasonable $5-$7? No, wait, I've got it. We'll keep the prices around $18 Goddamn Dollars, and use a copy protection scheme that screws up iMacs... Nobody who listens to Celine Dion owns an iMac... Perfect! Let's all give ourselves raises. $100,000 a year enough? We'll have to cut jobs in the support and production departments...

Re:Capitolism in action. (1)

TheQuantumShift (175338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513837)

Dammit. I always spell capitalism wrong... Wonder what that "preview" button's for anyway...

For everyone saying "I don't like Celine Dion" (5, Informative)

Gaccm (80209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513818)

The soundtrack of Episode 2 seems to be protected in such a way also.

Re:For everyone saying "I don't like Celine Dion" (2)

Galvatron (115029) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513861)

Wow, that's got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. The overlap between Star Wars fans and people who listen to music on their computers has got to be enormous. I actually would have bought this, but now I guess I'll just wait for someone to post an analog rip to KaZaa(-lite), since I haven't owned a stereo for 3 years now.

Episode 2 CD (Jango Fett cover+Bonus Track) (1)

user32.ExitWindowsEx (250475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513874)

TDK veloCD 8x/4x/32x --- running fine.
dbPowerAmp on Windows XP is chugging away.

Re:Episode 2 CD (Jango Fett cover+Bonus Track) (2, Informative)

Galvatron (115029) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513950)

Is it labled as not playing in a PC? Apparently there should be a disclaimer if it is protected. If you don't see one, maybe there are multiple versions, or the original article is wrong. Maybe only the British version? The site's located in the UK.

Re:For everyone saying "I don't like Celine Dion" (5, Funny)

SealBeater (143912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513932)

Doesn't matter, it's already been ripped and posted on
alt.binaries.mp3.soundtracks. 8*)

SealBeater

Celine Dion does not meet Starcraft (5, Funny)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513819)

I tried to test this Celine Dion CD to see if it would get stuck in my iMac, but then I discovered to my horror that I couldn't get the Starcraft CD out of the drive. Must ... Quit ... Game ... and press ... Eject ... Muscles ... not ... responding...

graspee

P.S. This may have legal implications if my Starcraft CD starts downloading mp3s without my permission. (ha ha. sorry).

An analogy (3, Insightful)

TrumpetPower! (190615) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513822)

If someody were to develop some amazing new casette tape that didn't work on a subset of casette players, that would be okay. If that tape, instead, destroyed the player into which it was inserted by chewing up the playback heads, that would not be okay, even if it came with a label saying, ``Not for use on foo tape decks.''

Celine has done the latter.

b&

Re:An analogy (1)

Man of E (531031) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513888)

I have a Mont Blanc fountain pen that takes little ink cartridges. You put two cartridges in the barrel at the time - one open and attached to the nib, and the other in the back as reserve. The little booklet that comes with the pen says it will only work with Mont Blanc cartridges.
Once, I had no Mont Blanc cartridges left, so I put cartridges from another company in - S.T. Dupont. It was a tight fit, but the pen seemed to work. However, when the first cartridge ran out, I tried to get the reserve one out of the barrel and found that it was completely stuck. Smacking the pen against the desk didn't help at all. In the end, I had to resort to some complicated antics with bent bits of wire to fish the stuck cartridge out of the pen, covering myself in blue ink in the process. The pen wasn't broken for good, but if it had been, I still wouldn't have felt like suing Mont Blanc over it...

Not that I disagree with your point, I just wanted to tell the story :-)

Legality? (4, Insightful)

beefstu01 (520880) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513825)

Ummm... isn't this illegal? If some iMac owner accidently puts one of these CD's in the drive and send the thing to kingdom come, didn't Sony just damage their computer with malicious intent? C'mon, Sony has to know that the CD's are going to do this. Can we say class action lawsuit? What's wrong with playing a cd in your computer? Sure, I've got MP3's, but I also play audio cd's on my laptop, and if my laptop gets busted becase one of these damn cds, then I'd frickin sue Sony and anybody connected to the deal for every dime they've got.

Sony should realize that they're treading on very thin ice here. They need to realize that some people have very sensitive information on their computers, and if it gets f*$&# because of their cd protection scheme.....

Sorry, but these dumb moves just irritate me

circumvention devices? (5, Funny)

schussat (33312) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513831)

Are we to understand that post-it notes and sharpie pens are now contraband circumvention devices? 3M is not going to like this, not one bit.

-schussat

Re:circumvention devices? (5, Funny)

qslack (239825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513910)

Are we to understand that post-it notes and sharpie pens are now contraband circumvention devices? 3M is not going to like this, not one bit.


Actually, 3M is embracing this new product direction.

They have renamed their Post-It product line to Toast-It, making a clear reference to burning, or "toasting," a CD-R.

They have also renamed their popular Sharpie line of permanent markers to "Share-pie," indicating that the markers will enable purchasers to share music.

:)

Re:circumvention devices? (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513928)

in united states, maybe. in germany you have got a right to make a backup copy, so the article is legal here and post-it notes too.

Unbelievable (4, Insightful)

teslatug (543527) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513834)

No not the fact that the CD can break firmware, but the fact that the firmware can be broken by a CD.

These aren't CDs then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513838)

These CDs aren't CDs then, as normal audio CDs will play on a Mac, and these wont. In fact they will damage the Macintosh deliberately. Does this Celine Dion "CD" have a CD logo on it? If so, then they are liable, regardless of disclaimers on the packaging or CD.

Is it just me... (1, Offtopic)

Yottabyte84 (217942) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513839)

Or are those porn ads at the top of that germen site?

Re:Is it just me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513901)

erotique. no problem at this time in germany (3:11 am)

MODERATORS ON CRACK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513949)

How is this "insightful" and not "offtopic"?

OT: pr0n banners? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513842)

OT:

Does anyone see pr0n banners on that google translation?

This is ok (0)

taya0001 (457928) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513849)

People should be punished for listening to celien dion.

Apple Responds w/ KBA (5, Informative)

mprindle (198799) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513850)

Hello all,

Apple has released KnowledgeBase Article #106882, Cannot Eject Copy Protected Audio Disc [apple.com] , to adress the problem with the cd's getting locked into the drive.

"You may be unable to eject certain copy-protected audio discs, which resemble Compact Discs (CD) but technically are not. Some computers start up to a gray screen after a copy protected disc has been left in the computer."

Re:Apple Responds w/ KBA (4, Informative)

imadork (226897) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513877)

Yeah, it's the fine print on the bottom that's priceless:

CD audio discs that incorporate copyright protection technologies do not adhere to published Compact Disc standards. Apple designs its CD drives to support media that conforms to such standards. Apple computers are not designed to support copyright protected media that do not conform to such standards. Therefore, any attempt to use non standard discs with Apple CD drives will be considered a misapplication of the product. Under the terms of Apple's One-Year Limited Warranty, AppleCare Protection Plan, or other AppleCare agreement any misapplication of the product is excluded from Apple's repair coverage.

How do you like them apples?

Re:Apple Responds w/ KBA (2, Insightful)

znu (31198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513919)

Why should Apple pay if Sony breaks your computer?

Wait it won't play in my iMac? (1)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513851)

Wait! I own an iMac! Celine Dion latest CD
won't play on it?!!!!

What's the problem? ;)

Entertainment industry business plan (1)

vegetablespork (575101) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513854)

1. Create "content." 2. Antogonize customers. 3. ???? 4. Profit

Let's ask another question.... (1)

piznut (553799) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513862)

While the question of why this kind of crap is being put out is valid, I think there is another question we should be asking. Why the hell does a computer mfgr create a machine that attempts to boot off of an unbootable volume? Is there no error checking in the firmware on the iMac? Remind me never to buy an Apple.

Re:Let's ask another question.... (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513918)

Perhaps part of the copy protection scheme fools the machine into thinking the cd is bootable. Or it sounds more like the drive is constantly retrying to read the disk (i have had the same happen with badly damaged disks) and locking up while it`s trying to do this.

Re:Let's ask another question.... (1)

znu (31198) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513936)

It's not trying to boot from the disc, it's trying to read the disc to find out what it is, and the boot process hangs, presumably waiting for the drive to come back with a coherent response.

Apple doesn't like it either (1)

mmarlett (520340) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513865)

The funny part is Apple's tech note [apple.com] on the topic:
Some audio discs use a copy protection technology that can prevent the disc from being read by a computer. This may also prevent the disc from being ejected. The audio discs are technically and legally not Compact Discs (CD format), and the CD logo has been removed from the disc. In the logo's former place is the printed message:

"Will not play on PC/Mac"

And it lists known offenders. Classic.

But it's not all roses in Mac-land... (1)

mookie-blaylock (522933) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513897)

Because if you scroll down farther, you'll see that they use this point to claim that using these not-CDs in your computer is "misapplication of the product" and that damage caused by not-CDs isn't covered by warranty.

So while it's great that they call out the manufacturers, if your computer gets hosed by some disc, you're the one who's SOL and any repairs come out of your pockets.

Gee, don't you just love copy protection?

How? (3, Interesting)

Gaccm (80209) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513880)

How could a CD screw up the player? All the CDROM does is read bits off of a CD. The data should not be able to alter the program (in this case firmware) at all. The only way i could see something happening is if the firmware was poorly writtian and the CD causes stack overflows.

Here we go!! (1, Troll)

Bouncings (55215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513885)

Everyone who has an iMac. Go get the CD, fubar your iMac, and send it in for repair under warranty. Apple might just sue their asses.

Re:Here we go!! (1)

MooRogue (223321) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513896)

Actually, if you read Apple's tech note, this will not be covered under warranty.

From the tech note [apple.com]

Apple designs its CD drives to support media that conforms to such standards. Apple computers are not designed to support copyright protected media that do not conform to such standards. Therefore, any attempt to use non standard discs with Apple CD drives will be considered a misapplication of the product. Under the terms of Apple's One-Year Limited Warranty, AppleCare Protection Plan, or other AppleCare agreement any misapplication of the product is excluded from Apple's repair coverage.

workaround... (0)

OklaKid (552472) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513889)

1. get a regular CD player like a Sony Walkman, or something similer (or better)... 2. line out or the headphone jack will work connected to line in on the computer... 3. use your favorite audio recording app to record on the fly as you listen... sure it might lose just a teeny tiny tad bit of quality but if you are carefull and with some adjustment you can make mp3's this way and will hardly be able to hear the difference... 4. ban copy protected music media. untill the music industry respects people right to fair use...

Plan of action (1)

Wyzard (110714) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513905)

OK, everyone who owns an iMac:

  • Back up your data.
  • Buy the CD.
  • (Attempt to) boot your computer from the CD, thus damaging it.
  • Get together and file a very large class-action lawsuit against the publisher or the people who made the protection mechanism, for selling a harmful product without adequate warning about its danger.

Getting Back at the Mac (1)

Grip3n (470031) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513914)

Celion has done me a favor. I used to always find myself in the Mac vs. PC war. Now I'll just throw a Celion CD in the opponents Mac and watch him cry...let alone argue anymore =)

And It Didn't Work (1)

Tewley (415350) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513916)

Needless to say, the copy protection scheme didn't prevent the files from getting out there.

A quick search on some of the popular P2P services reveals all of the songs from this album are available to download.

More DMCA violations? (1)

PunchMonkey (261983) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513920)

and perhaps others may be defeated by invalidating the outer ring of the CD with a black marker or post-it sticky note

So does these mean sharpies and post-it notes are violations of the DMCA?

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513929)

Who would buy a Celine Dion CD anyway...

This is a nasty principle... (5, Interesting)

AcidDan (150672) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513937)

I was also reading on spymac.com that you can get around this with a nikko pen, but what I really want to say is what a precedent this sets for corporations:

We will intentionally cause damage to your property because you did not try to play this in an authorised CD player

I think all those affected now (and more probably in the future with CDs other than Celine) should send a nice happy bill to the corporations that produce these CDs...

Not being a legal person, how can a disclaimer cover something designed to intentionally cripple hardware? Sure you can say in a disclaimer that "it *may* do blah blah blah" but that's a whole lot different to "If you have X this CD is designed to damage this hardware"

... And I also doubt that the disclaimer is in a very prominent position either...

As someone who buys CDs and owns an iBook, I'm not looking forward to the day I pop in a decent CD I've just bought (sorry, Celine fans) I don't want to discover that I can't get the damn thing out of my lappy easily...

-- Dan >:(

Get a load of this.... (1)

vw_bob (117531) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513939)

From the apple website:

If a disc with copyrighted protection technology remains inside the drive after following the procedures above, or if the computer does not start up normally, it is recommended that you contact an Apple Authorized Service Provider (AASP) or Apple Technical Support. CD audio discs that incorporate copyright protection technologies do not adhere to published Compact Disc standards. Apple designs its CD drives to support media that conforms to such standards. Apple computers are not designed to support copyright protected media that do not conform to such standards. Therefore, any attempt to use non standard discs with Apple CD drives will be considered a misapplication of the product. Under the terms of Apple's One-Year Limited Warranty, AppleCare Protection Plan, or other AppleCare agreement any misapplication of the product is excluded from Apple's repair coverage. Because the Apple product is functioning correctly according to its design specifications, any fee assessed by an Apple Authorized Service Provider or Apple for repair service will not be Apple's responsibility.

pathetic copyright protection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3513940)

To copy a copy-'protected' CD:

1) Put in stereo
2) Plug line-out in the stereo to line-in on the soundcard
3) Record

how pathetic...

New Names (5, Funny)

Angram (517383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513942)

We obviously can't call this Celine Dion product a "CD"...We're going to need a new term to denote CD-imposters...Lets see...

CC - Crash Circle
"CD" - Quote-Compact Disk-Unquote
ICD - Imposter Compact Disk
FD - Fool's Disk
ID - Incompatible Disk
SF - Sony Frisbee
CC - Celine Coaster
MW3 - Mommy, Why Won't it Work?
RCD - Record Companies Downfall
18POS - $18 Piece Of Sh*t
SLS - Sony's Last Stand
PD - Poo Disk

Any suggestions?

I'm reminded of a Simpsons episode (2)

lkaos (187507) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513945)

Where the two Aliens come down and wear a Bob Dole and Bill Clinton outfit and run for presidency.

As I'm sure everyone remembers, the aliens are found out but then say something to the effect of "What are you going to do about it with a two party system." And so they elect one of the aliens...

Moral of the story: If you don't like copy protection, don't buy the damn cds! It's that simply.

What to do (3, Insightful)

ocie (6659) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513948)

Go out and buy one of these CDs. Take it into a computer store. Try it out in a computer.

When it gets stuck, try to get help from the sales people, but try to do it with a straight face, OK? Now you will probably have to leave it there, but make sure you talk to the highest up manager before you do.

Research on the internet how to eject the disk and come back the next day to get it.

This might work best if you bought the CD in the same store.

Buy CDs or download MP3... (5, Insightful)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513951)

Lets see... if I buy a CD, it might screw-up my computer... but if I download the same mp3s, I don't have to worry about it messing up my computer...

The music publishers are giving people incentives to NOT BUY CDs...

Someone please call the English Police (5, Funny)

TheGreenLantern (537864) | more than 12 years ago | (#3513959)

"MacUser is running an article about how the new Celine Dion CD A New Day Has Come with copy protection mechanisms to prevent the CD from being played on a PC not only won't play on an iMac, but it will lock the CD tray (so it can't be removed) and fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac."

Somewhere a 4th Grade English teacher is crying, and doesn't know why.
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