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Xbox Price Drops to $200

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the 100-clams-100-smackeroonies dept.

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ProfBooty writes: "Just two days after rival Sony Corp. cut prices on the PlayStation 2, Microsoft has announced they are cutting Xbox pricing by 33% to $200. Nintendo still has no plans to cut pricing on the Gamecube. Now is definitely a good time to be a gamer with all 3 next-gen systems at $200. Too bad i just bought a Playstation 2 yesterday." I'd like to know if anyone has succeeded in porting a Free operating system to the Xbox.

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blow me AC's (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523765)

props to all logged in trolls

Fo Sheezy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523766)

fo shezzy ma neezy

Would all the "experts" (-1, Flamebait)

Rombuu (22914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523770)

...who posted a couple of days ago on the PS2 ariticle how MS was going to get killed by Sony yesterday, and could never mark down the X-Box to compete like to now post their retractions?

Re:Would all the "experts" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523785)

What do you mean?

This drop indicates that MS is getting killed by Sony. Good riddance to that POS!

Re:Would all the "experts" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523797)

Was going to get killed? Look at the numbers, the PS2 is a year and a half old and still outsold the X-Box 2 to 1 at both Christmas and since then. Screw 2/3 of the cost, I don't think anyone's still going to buy it, maybe they should try 1/3. No one's going to trust a device made my Microsoft, and consumers have spoken with their wallets.

Cost Question (4, Interesting)

Carbonite (183181) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523775)

What are the current production costs for the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube?

Which companies will be making money ate the reduced prices and which will be losing on each sale?

Re:Cost Question (2, Insightful)

morhoj (573833) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523810)

The most definately lose on the price of the actual system, but all of that money is re-couped in game licensing. Or, in the case of M$FT, the chance for monopolizing your TV too :)

Re:Cost Question (3, Informative)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523829)

I can't remember what site I read it on, but it sounds like Sony can now make a profit on their boxes due to better manufacturing processes.

Re:Cost Question (1)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523882)

it was slashdot

and both chips are now on the same chip.

Re:Cost Question (3, Interesting)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523851)

The X-Box is definitely losing money on each sale. I don't have any hard numbers, but I'd be very surprised if they were even breaking even under the original pricing scheme.

I read an article somewhere that said that Michael Dell, upon hearing Microsoft's offer to build X-Boxes for them, essentially laughed it off. "So, let me get this straight: you want me to build these boxes and sell them at a loss? And make up the difference in software - which I don't sell?" Does anyone else have a reference for this?

Re:Cost Question (5, Informative)

deft (253558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523856)

at the initial retail price of $299, Microsoft has been losing anywhere between $76 and $105 on every Xbox sold.

thus, they are now loosing from $176 to $205 bucks each box!

Re:Cost Question (2)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523897)

Best reason to get one yet! Add linux development/support, convert $200 to £'s properly (ie dont just switch the symbols) and maybe i`ll take it a bit more seriously!

Predatory pricing is illegal (1, Insightful)

VEGx (576738) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523862)

If they were losing money on each sale, this would classify as "predatory pricing" and this is forbidden by law...

Of course... like M$ ever cared about the law...

Re:Predatory pricing is illegal (2, Interesting)

CHUD-Wretch (578617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523912)

That's an interesting comment...

Has any company ever been punished for doing this?

Selling things below cost to stiffle the competetion only to make the money back plus some by selling add-ons (software titles)....

Chiquita bananas were killed (1)

VEGx (576738) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523948)

Europe killed Chiquita, didn't they?

Re:Predatory pricing is illegal (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523925)

Where? No such legal concept as `Predatory pricing` in the EU. There are anti dumping laws, but these are only invoked to help the Japanese (ie wait until they`ve decimated EU fabs, then up the prices via protectionist levies so the EU companies have to pay EU levies to get the Jap parts. Cool! you think YOU have a stupid (uber)government!

The Gord Knows... (5, Interesting)

oGMo (379) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523874)

Or at least has a very reasonable guess. [] It's funny that everytime prices are brought up people claim that everyone sells at a loss and that's standard operating procedure. I think this article refutes it quite nicely as well as calculating some pretty decent figures for the cost of consoles.

Re:Cost Question (4, Informative)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523878)

From a Nov 15, 2001 [] article:
Microsoft is set to launch the Xbox on Nov. 15 at a retail price of $299. Estimates of Microsoft's cost to build each unit have ranged from $320 to $400. Microsoft representatives would not comment on manufacturing costs.

I'm sure now they've been able to reduce their production costs but are probably still taking a loss after the price cut. But with $43 billion in cash reserves, it's not that significant.

Re:Cost Question (1)

dingo (91227) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523909)

there is a good analysis of this sort of thing over at acts of gord []

Re:Cost Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523946)

You wanna cut`n paste it? Crap nanny software here, cant see it! pleeeeease? Just the juicy bits?

Re:Cost Question (1, Flamebait)

Bouncings (55215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523931)

Dude, the cost production of all these, like most all electronics is NULL! Unless we suddenly run out of DIRT, the cost of building these devices is nothing. And don't start talking about R&D costs. :p

The point is, the real cost of products has long since been moot. Postindustrial capitalism relies soly on what the market is willing to pay. Did you know that rechargable and regular batteries have about the same production costs? PENNIES.

Cost of production is moot -- in all products sold to all consumers.

Re:Cost Question (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523947)




Facilities (rent/maintenance/depreciation/electricity/water/t axes/etc)

Cost-of-doing-business (management,insurance,other taxes,marketing/advertising/promotions)

Distribution, returns, damage/lost goods

Number of units costs are spread over

and probably a few items I'm missing, but once you have all that figured in and some profit, if any as these are usually at a loss, you'll get some idea. In short, it's probably something each manufacturer really has to take a best guess at. The bottom line is, at the end of a period (quarter/year) did revenues excede expenses. If they do actually hit target, only they will know, and it'll be different for each manufacturer.

fr0$7 p1$7 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523779)

This was posted yesterday. More bullshit from the anus of Timothy!

article wrong... (1)

deft (253558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523783)

actually, nintendo does plan to cut its prices in response to this. all 3 manufacturers are at 199 (not 200.

nintendo feels pressure to drop their price so that they can retain hold of the childrens gaming market, which they revere so much.

Some Console Thoughts (1, Funny)

perl_god (578135) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523784)

Im soooooooo sick of people saying that GC is kiddy and crap. That is a very lame way to defend PS2 or XBOX. Anyway, I was at school in the computer room and my friend started bragging about how he thinks that PS2 is better than Gamecube because it has better games and GC is babyish (some people are so arrogant). So, i said he was full of sh!t and that Gamecube obviously has better games than PS2. It turned into a verbal war with nothing being achieved. Then i decided to visit Slashdot. I saw the news headline 400,000 Gamecubes sold in Europe so i clicked on it. When i saw the words "23 years is the average age of a GameCube owner" i grinned. I asked my arogant friend what he thought the average age for GC owners was, he said "um, 5". So i showed him the news article and as he was reading it, his face went bright red like a tomato. I asked him if he still thought GC was a kiddy system with baby games and he just said "SHUTUP!!!". Straight after school we went to EB and he traded in his PS2 for a GC and Wave Race. He said it was the best Game he had ever played and regrets ever buying a ps2. I told him about all the awesome games that are on the way and he nearly cried. He told all his friends about it and they all came over and played Wave Race. All 8 of them said that they were going to buy one tommorow. If it wasnt for PGC then 9 people would have missed out on what is clearly the BEST CONSOLE EVER!!! now all i need is Star Fox Adventures and i'll be in heaven!!!

I find it hard to believe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523816)

That you have a single friend, let alone 8 friends.

Re:Some Console Thoughts (2, Insightful)

NorthDude (560769) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523890)

Im soooooooo sick of people saying that GC is kiddy and crap.

And I'm so sick of people's post wich are so kiddy and crap...
Sorry, but your comment was sounding like YOU are 5 years old.
"My console is better then yours. No it's mine, NO IT'S MINE! bouhouuhouuu... SHUTUP! bouhouuhouuu"

Yes, I meant to flame. But if you want to be taken seriously, post objectives comments and try to talk intelligently. People don't give a dawm about what flame war you had with your friend at school. By the way, you said he was arrogant, but so you were. Sorry for being rude, I had to say it.

Wonder who shot first? (2)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523786)

Did Sony drop prices due to the Xbox rumor (which has been out for a few weeks now) or vica versa?

(Oh yeah, and let the bitching about crummy games, ugly console, and hamfisted controllers commence!)

Re:Wonder who shot first? (1)

+_-repo-_+ (315890) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523804)

well from this 0&e=2&cid=70&u=/cn/20020515/tc_cn/microsoft_trims_ xbox_price

"John O'Rourke, director of games marketing for Microsoft, said the price cut had been in the planning stages for several weeks and denied it was a reaction to Sony's move, although he acknowledged Microsoft originally planned to announce the cut next Monday, before the Electronic Entertainment Expo trade show begins in Los Angeles. "

Re:Wonder who shot first? (5, Interesting)

CynicTheHedgehog (261139) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523811)

According to Penny Arcade [] , Sony accelerated their price drop plans leaving Microsoft with no choice but to follow suit. This is a real kick to the groin for Microsoft, whose consoles haven't been doing as well as they thought and cost more to produce. Sony's probably recouped their initial losses, but I doubt Microsoft has.

Yay Sony, I guess.

Sony is way cheaper then xbox (1)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523852)

Don't forget that it's cheaper to make new PS2 boxes as compared to making older PS2 boxes. A month or so ago they finally got both the processors onto one chip. This will reduce the cost of the box. Probably isn't in the current boxes being sold, but they will be. So basically, since sony designed all the HW themselves it is easier to integrate all the HW to reduce cost. (PS2 on a chip?)

I wonder what the consoles would cost if the had to be sold at cost to the manufacturer.

Re:Wonder who shot first? (1)

shadow303 (446306) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523940)

Your mention of a groin kick made me picture Bill Gates getting nailed in the jewels. Thank you. Happy thoughts like that really brighten my day.

Re:Wonder who shot first? (0)

dev_sda (533180) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523820)

Sony officially announced their price cut first. Both companies were waiting for E3 to officially announce the price cuts, but Sony couldn't help themselves.

Free OSes on the X Box (1)

QuantumFTL (197300) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523788)

Isn't there some kind software authentication on the X Box that keeps just any x86 program from being executed on it (i.e. it only allows registered games to play)?

Might this not be a problem with porting?

Just a thought.

Re:Free OSes on the X Box (2)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523879)

If they do have authentication, I don't think it could be easily built into silicon, or at least wouldn't be worthwhile or architecturally correct to do so. If it's in there, then it's just in the stripped down OS that's running the box, which could be easily modified or simply erased.

Re:Free OSes on the X Box (1, Informative)

randomErr (172078) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523921)

XBOX uses a modified Win2000 kernal. The executables are encrypted. The BIOS is specfically work only with the XBOX kernal.

There are a couple of projects out there to resocket new BIOS chip but nothing finalized.

Most of the RD is focusing on how to make the executable with the XBOX os. The reason why is because the XBOX OS is stablest of the Windows line and is already optimized for the hardware.

Still, it would be fun to see how an XBOX Linux compares to the current Sony Linux.

flashback (-1, Troll)

dmnic (452122) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523789)

this was just posted YESTERDAY!!!!!

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523791)

Tee hee hee

Piss it away! (1)

Leme (303299) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523795)

And *now* they're losing even *more* money per box. This will of course broaden the userbase of the XBox but it still won't even come close to what the Playstation platform is doing. I'm curious on how long Microsoft will gut this one out.

amount of x-box losses (2)

deft (253558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523832)

at the initial retail price of $299, Microsoft has been losing anywhere between $76 and $105 on every Xbox sold.

thus, they are now loosing from $176 to $205 bucks each box!

Re:amount of x-box losses (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523859)

*cough* bullshit *cough*

*cough* back your figures up with facts and references *cough*

*cough* you're full of it *cough*

Re:amount of x-box losses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523884)

A healthy dose of codeine would do you good...

I know you'll never take me, Don't even think you'll break me, Be sure you'll never take me I'm gonna make you see!

Re:Piss it away! (0)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523918)

My guess is till version 3 of X-Box. I suspect Microsoft was anticipating taking a bath on the first release, positioning it as their enterance into the "home entertainment hub". If their stragey is not working by the 3rd release (where they've streamlined engineering/manufacturing/advertising) then they may exit. They pursued a similar strategy with their peripherals market (success) and broadband/satellites (failure).

Now is definatly a good time ... (4, Funny)

dbretton (242493) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523796)

Now is definatly a good time to be a ...


It's not funny anymore... (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523911)

I understand that typo-nitpicking karma whoring is fun, but it's already boring.

They don't make so many mistakes... And well, it doesn't matter... Every story on /. has it's "typo-typo" posts...

I understand that it's fine when you're ACTUCALLY FUNNY, but just rating a _generic_ "typo" post as Funny makes it hard to trust posts modded funny.

What? (0, Flamebait)

funkman (13736) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523799)

I'd like to know if anyone has succeeded in porting a Free operating system to the Xbox

Not to troll - but, What the hell purpose would that serve? Give Micr$oft more money?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523840)

Where's your revolution, man?
Where's your need to understand?

(-5, Slashbot) for the idiotic use of $ and mispelling Microsoft too.

Re:What? (2)

jerrytcow (66962) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523842)

Not to troll - but, What the hell purpose would that serve? Give Micr$oft more money?

Because for $200 it would be a nice machine. 733 MHz P3, 300 MHz geforce (geforce3 I think), 100 baseT, DDR RAM, 8 gig HD, DVD drive.

Re:What? (4, Interesting)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523846)

I don't know if you realize this, but MS loses at least $200 per unit that they sell. So, porting say, Linux to it and use it as a desktop, you just cost MS $200. Bad troll!

Re:What? (2)

inburito (89603) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523853)

Microsoft is losing money on each XBox made hoping to recoup it in game licensing. By buying one of these and using with linux exclusively you effectively take away money from microsoft. Then again they have some 40 billion in bank..

Re:What? (2)

strags (209606) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523854)

On the contrary. Articles have been written regarding the viability of the XBox as a server. Since they're so cheap, you could (perhaps) install BSD/Linux and use them as a web farm.

Since MS is making a loss on each box sold (they expect to make up the difference in sales of games), this, if anything, would be a damaging blow to MS.

Re:What? (2)

wik (10258) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523901)

How much heat do the XBoxes generate? Are they going to become unstable if you put too many in a warm room? I have never seen an XBox, but I remember hearing about a lot of heat-related problems with the PS2 when it first came out.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523861)

MS is losing money for each console unit sold.
Actually, with this new price cut, they're losing BIG MONEY with each unit sold. Like, a few hundred dollars per unit. There's no way they can consider recouping their costs on game licenses any more.

Re:What? (1)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523876)

If I remember my info correctly, it has been estimated that MS was losing $50 for every X-Box they sold. With the price drop, that would now be $150. There is also a sort of sadistic thrill in buying MS's hardware, having MS lose money because of it, and putting the OS that MS seems to hate so much on it.

Oh, and a 733mhz fully functional PC for $200 would be nice...

who dropped first the price first? not really sony (2)

deft (253558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523801)

its also worth noting that sony did drop their prices first, but only in response to information that microsoft would be announcing a price drop at E3 later this week.

microsoft dropped their price this week to match sony's pre-emptive drop, to minimize the advantage they would have through this press and buying cycle.

Re:who dropped first the price first? not really s (1)

Orii (55092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523917)

Actually, Sony had mentioned a few months ago that they would be announcing a price drop at E3. They may have moved it up a little for tactical reasons, but they have been planning the drop itself for a long time.

Finally, a market not easily.... (0, Troll)

CHUD-Wretch (578617) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523805)

dominated by The One.

It's great to see that Microsoft doesn't always win.

Video Gaming is one market where people actually seem to like variety. I love it.

-=CHUD-Wretch! (just got a gamecube and Resident EVIL!!!
RE sold me on game cube...something about exclusive rights to remakes and new games really roks me)

Re:Finally, a market not easily.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523904)

really? that's what you're going with?

How long has MS been in the market? One console generation and it's already neck and neck with the others. How long would it take someone else to startup a company and get as much clout and power in the console market? Let alone sales...

I don't think it's about choice (1)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523913)

I think that the gaming market is controlled by the japanese. Not the companies, but rather the people. If a game system is blessed by the japanese public, then it will do well. Otherwise it is doomed to fail. Maybe back in the 70's you could get away with it, but today if they do not like your games, then you are screwed.

Re:Finally, a market not easily.... (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523915)

Hmmm... Microsoft vs. Sony

This is like rooting for The Empire to wipe out The Borg...

Sony isn't quite as blatantly evil as Microsoft, IMHO, but they are one of the major forces behind both the RIAA and the MPAA. When you buy a Playstation, you're contributing to a pool that eventually helps to lobby for laws like the DMCA and SCSSA

Price hasn't dropped enough (0, Troll)

prock307 (513323) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523808)

Even if the price were $-200, I still wouldn't buy it! (meaning the store paid me $200 to get the X-Box off of their shelves to make room for better things)

Re:Price hasn't dropped enough (1)

VEGx (576738) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523924)

Actually, I might... and not just one... but it all depends if I could recycle them (without any cost). Obviously, I wouldn't keep any of these cursed things.

Xbox security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523809)

Microsoft has worked very hard to ensure that that never happens (non MS licensed software running on xbox.

PS One at $50 (0)

taya0001 (457928) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523814)

Sony also announced that the PS1 will be sold for $50. Also memory cards for both the ps1 and ps2 will be much cheaper than before. The question is will PS2 inventorys become depleted for the next few weeks while all the people that waited for the price drop go out to purchase a PS2

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Typical /. comment (0, Troll)

alen (225700) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523821)

MS is going down. They can't sell any of their junk and have to cut the price to comptete. Soon the losses will mount and they will stop selling the crap box. This is the start of MS downfall. Did I miss anything?

Re:Typical /. comment (1)

CodeMonky (10675) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523833)

The part where we call you a stupid ass troll.

ummm (1)

Ty (15982) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523826)

Now is definatly a good time to be a gamer with all 3 next-gen systems at $200 Umm anyone else remember the days when game systems were all under $100?

Re:ummm (1)

caspper69 (548511) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523903)

There are also people who remember when a gallon of gasoline was $.40 and a new car was $2,000. For today's money, $200 isn't bad.

Still waiting for game price competition (3, Insightful)

WillSeattle (239206) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523827)

While all three box manufacturers are stuck at $199 USD (while Japan, the EU, and Canada sell them for less) - one wonders when the game price competition will start?

My son said that two kids at school are waiting to buy xBox games when the price drops below $40 USD, since they have to use their own allowance money.

By my calculations, MSFT has to sell 10 games at $50 USD to break even on the price subsidy of the xBox. Nintendo still has a profit on both box and games, and Sony is just at breakeven due to manufacturing efficiencies on the 2.5 yo PS2 with clear profit on the games.


Re:Still waiting for game price competition (2)

deft (253558) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523887)

While all three box manufacturers are stuck at $199 USD (while Japan, the EU, and Canada sell them for less) - one wonders when the game price competition will start?

yes, sony is considering an price drop, while microsoft is relying on the strength of its game library to allow it to sell games at the current price.

From an msnbc report:
While Sony Computer Entertainment of America President Kaz Hirai said his company would consider lowering prices on the games it publishes from $49.99, O'Rourke said Microsoft has no plans in that regard.
"Great games are what gamers want and they're willing to pay for those," he said.

This says it all right here (2)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523830)

Re:This says it all right here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3523926)

not really because toys r us is honoring reciepts up to 30 days old

Sony lies.. but i suppose they all do (1)

TimeTrip (254631) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523831)

What I thought was interesting was that Microsoft announced a price drop last week to $199, and Sony vehemently denied that they would follow suit.. and so what does sony do? they cut the price before microsoft does.... strange

Whatever you say sony... :P

Re:Sony lies.. but i suppose they all do (1)

cxreg (44671) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523906)

Technically, they didn't "follow suit" since they cut the price first. And despite what they said, it was well known that a price cut was coming. You never pre-announce a price cut because sales dry up!

Xbox Linux (5, Interesting)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523836)

The Xbox Linux Project [] is currently working to port Linux to the Xbox. It appears that the primary hurdle is getting past the hardware based authorization system, which does not allow unapproved software to run.

Re:Xbox Linux (5, Informative)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523939)

I pulled the trigger on the submit too quick - here's some more good info:
Quick overview of an ideal use for the machine. []

Only $199 a pop and every unit I buy costs Microsoft money? Most excellant! How long till they begin firing volleys of lawyers at The Xbox Linux Project? Any bets on which 4 letter law starting with "DM" and ending with "CA" they'll invoke?

I'd like to know if ... (2, Insightful)

Darth Yoshi (91228) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523838)

I'd like to know if anyone has succeeded in porting a Free operating system to the Xbox.

Someone has to break the encryption on the DVDs first or make a mod chip that lets you boot unencrypted CDs. Hasn't happened yet, but it's only a matter of time.

Then you have the problem of adding a keyboard and mouse to the Xbox. But that should be too hard.

But aside from the bragging rights, who cares.

too bad... (1)

hummer357 (545850) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523850)

too bad that the machine doesn't sell very well over here in Europe ;-)

we deserve those price cuts a lot more!!

The new Metroid had better be good..... (1, Interesting)

globaljustin (574257) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523858)

otherwise, Nintendo will not be able to compete. Ok, I'm not a troll, Metroid is not sole factor in Gamecube's existence, but it's an integral part. My question is, with this price drop eventually price Nintendo out of the market? I think Microsoft's plan is to lowball (for lack of a better word) Nintendo, price it out of the market with the X-box, and then go head to head with Playstation with the X-box II. Nintendo as an anti-microsoft hero???

40 billion in the bank (4, Insightful)

Donut (128871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523860)

Amidst all of the discussions about how much money MS will lose on this, y'all might want to remember this discussion [] and ponder whether or not they can afford it.


Nintendo and Toys'R'Us (5, Informative)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523865)

Quick FYI - Toys 'r' us is giving the consumer back their $100 if they bought an XBox (or PS2) within 30 days of the price drop.

Also, when do you expect Nintendo to drop their prices? If the N-Cube was $100-$150, I'd pick one up in a heartbeat...

Re:Nintendo and Toys'R'Us (1)

techstar25 (556988) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523935)

Circuit City has always had that same policy(to refund the difference after a price drop). You might have seen the commercials.

PS2 + one free controller (1)

Hatter (3985) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523868) [] has a deal running where you get a PS2 and a free extra controller for $199 + $6 second day air shipping. Pretty hot deal.

Where did you buy it? (3, Insightful)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523880)

Too bad i just bought a Playstation 2 yesterday

If you bought it at Toys 'R Us, you can get back $100 [] if you kept your receipt and bought it within 30 days.

I think it's a great move by Toys 'R Us to keep people happy.

As for Nintendo, they're going to drop their prices at E3, I guarantee it. They stated back in April that if Sony dropped their price, Nintendo would follow suit and drop their price as well. I'm predicting a price drop down to $150 or $125. But, if they really wanted to make a splash, Nintendo would release a combo package of the Gameboy Advance, Gamecube, and the link cable that goes between them for $200 (a feasable price).

It won't matter, though. Nintendo is going to 0wn this E3, and this whole year. With new games coming out for all these franchises...

  • Super Mario Sunshine
  • Legend of Zelda
  • Metroid Prime
  • Star Fox Adventures well as newcomers like Resident Evil 0 and Eternal Darkness for the "mature" ones out there, this will be the year of Nintendo.

Porting a free OS (2)

ehiris (214677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523886)

I'd like to know if anyone has succeeded in porting a Free operating system to the Xbox"

No. Life's short, play more.

XBox Hacked (and Linux) (5, Informative)

nherc (530930) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523892)

I submitted this info days ago... but there are at least 3 mod chip makers who have just released chips to open up the xbox. The mod chips allow unsigned code to run off of any media dvd-r,dvd-rw,cd-r,cd-rw.

More xbox mod chip info. []

This will (very) soon lead to a xbox linux distro.

Losing money never hurt Bill (3, Insightful)

b.foster (543648) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523899)

It is a testament to the arrogance and sheer power of the Microsoft Corporation that lowering the X-Box price (and thus, losing any semblance of profit they would ever make on the device) will hardly make a dent in their bottom line.

Let's take a trip down memory lane and think about all of the other money-losing ventures that the pundits thought would be the death of Microsoft:

  • Microsoft Bob. An absolutely horrible idea with an even worse execution. M$ spent millions developing and promoting it, and didn't sell more than a handful of copies.
  • Internet Exploder. Originally intended to be sold at a profit, the IE group has cost Microsoft tens of millions of dollars in development and support costs. What they have created is a money pit crafted from insecure, non-modular spaghetti code. Many observers (such as ESR) expected IE to implode under its own weight around the release of version 4.0, but it never happened.
  • UltimateTV. Microsoft's lame attempt to make a Tivo and sell consumers a crappy version of the Tivo service at the same high monthly price as Tivo somehow didn't pan out. Go figure.
  • Mac support. As it stands, Microsoft has not recouped its development costs on any release of Office for the Mac. This should not come as much of a surprise, as they offer steep bulk/site discounts to educational institutions on these products.
As you can see from the above examples, Microsoft's sole goal is to dominate the computer industry by creating products that lose vast sums of money, but "hook" the consumer into their services and upgrades. This is why we need more than Linux and OpenOffice to compete against them; we need government action. We're already beating them in the marketplace, but that doesn't matter when they have infinitely deep pockets from which to draw funding.

And that, my friends, is why Sony and Nintendo have a formidable enemy in Microsoft. Neither company has the cash reserves to compete with Microsoft on such an unlevel playing field, and neither one seems likely to survive in the video game arena for long without help from Uncle Sam.

Next-Gen consoles? (1)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523902)

Ok, maybe Im stupid but I don't see how the consoles you can buy today can be called next-gen consoles?

Shouldn't they be called current-gen consoles, with PS3, XBob2 and GameCube2 being the next-gen ones?

Don't buy one yet (2, Funny)

trauma (62841) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523905)

It's only a matter of time before MS starts bundling the Xbox free with Windows.

PS1 is now 50 bucks (2)

British (51765) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523908)

At 50 bucks!

50 bucks??

Heh. I wonder if the PS1 at that price will now completely make people shy away from buying the Dreamcast at 50 bucks and buying a bunch of cheap games.

Of course, go to any given store and there's about 1000 cheap PS1 games and about 2-3 crappy DC games if you're lucky.

doesn't matter much to me though. I bought a PS2(something I never thought I'd do) 3 weeks ago just because I grew impatient with the PC release of Grand Theft Auto 3, and now I'm scouring Kmarts and such to look for PS1 games dirt cheap for my amusment, growing tired of playing Counterstrike on my PC.

I'd say it's a win-win situation for any cheapskate gamers who's only choice was the $50 dreamcast and its not-so-great game selection.

for those who baught before the price drop (1)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523910)

Check for Price protection in your retailer, see if you can get the difference.

They usualy offer 1 week to 1 month protection.
give it a shot.

I just don't get it. (1)

RatBastard (949) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523914)

I just don't get the whole obsession with getting Linix to run on an XBox. Why would you want Linux running on (what many people here claim is) a crappy PC? Why turn a powerful console into a 3rd-rate PC?

And you can bet your butt that anyone who does manage to get past the XBox' boot encryption system is going to get their ass sued off by Mircrosoft.

It's a first for Microsoft... (3, Insightful)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523923)

...dropping the price on anything. Here we see the effects of competition. Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on game consoles, and PS2 isn't susceptible to FUD attacks, so MS has no choice to actually compete in the proper way. By lowering price.

The question is, what will be MS's strategy for the Xbox2? They can't beat PS2 (and maybe not even gamecube). So they will go back and come up with the marketing strategy to win the console monopoly in the next round. They could give their Xbox2 away for a pittance, and hope to get such a large user base as to strangle PS3. But to really kill it, they also need developers to not develop games for the PS3. If they can accomplish both of those they have a shot.

what is wrong with these console makers??? (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523930)

Atari slit their throats by drastically cutting the price of thier Jaguar, 3D0 died this way and sega died this way.. Hell Nintendo has never resorted to price Whoring (yet) and they are all that is left from the big console wars of the late 80's early 90's. Sony knows better, but then they already have more than a year's lead on the Xbox.. and With rumors of the PS3 and it's possibility of existing in 1Q 2003... Xbox still hasn't a chance.. I dont know if the winner will be Sony, but I do know that nintendo isnt gonnat get hurt at all... Hell they survived their nintendo64 nightmare...

Um, "next-gen" systems? (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523934)

If they're available now, aren't they current-gen systems?

- A.P.

Penny Arcade Take (0)

cow_licker (172474) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523944)

Is right here [] as well as some commentary by those crazy guys here [] .

I still holding out for the Gamecube to drop. Nothing can compare to nintendo's first party games that will be coming out soon.

Linux on the XBox (2, Interesting)

PhilJackson (540641) | more than 12 years ago | (#3523951)

'd like to know if anyone has succeeded in porting a Free operating system to the Xbox
Do we know if M$ has taken any special steps to stop another Os bieng used? Depending on thier licence wouldn't we be breaking the law by putting a *nix on it?
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