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Opera 6.0 for Linux Released

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the no-ads-in-mozilla dept.

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e1en0r writes "Opera released 6.0 for Linux and 6.02 for Windows today. The new features include cookie management and plug-in support. I've been using the beta release of Opera 6 for a while now and it's great."

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*BSD: We Hardly Knew Ye (-1)

returnofthe_spork (552824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525120)

After consulting with top IT industry pundits [zdnet.com] , it has become all too clear: *BSD is dying.

The project has faced numerous setbacks in recent years, leading to waning developer interest and participation, a user-base migrating to Linux, Windows XP and Mac OS X, and no financial support whatsoever.

How did it happen? Well, these were the main events. First, *BSD split into 3 incompatible projects - FreeBSD, which focused on 386 and 486 machines; NetBSD, which focused on little-used architectures like Sparc and PPC; and OpenBSD, which focused on minimal functionality and poor performance. This split divided the already-small community and served to set up bitter rivalries. Then, Linux came along and stole all of *BSD's press, funding, and much of it's thunder with its better performance, functionality and ease-of-use. As if that weren't enough, OS X later took nearly all of the desktop *BSD users. And finally, in what has all but spelled out the demise of *BSD, two core developers have quit the project. First, Jordan Hubbard quit *BSD to get an actual paying job at Apple [slashdot.org] . He made this move citing OS X's superiority, *BSD's imminent demise, and his inability to feed his family with the broken promises of an SMP-enabled kernel. Shortly after that, Michael Smith left [slashdot.org] , saying simply, "It's true, *BSD is dying."

Where does all this leave the IT industry at large? Fortunately, the IT world is now healthier than ever. The death of *BSD is simply natural selection at work, as companies leave the shoddily written *BSD behind and move ahead with Windows XP, Mac OS X, and Linux.

RIP *BSD.

Re:*BSD: We Hardly Knew Ye (0, Offtopic)

dirvish (574948) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525149)

Isn't OS X based on BSD? Don't a whole load of servers run BSD?

Re:*BSD: We Hardly Knew Ye (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525183)

> Isn't OS X based on BSD?

Partially - the userland is based on FreeBSD, but the kernel is not.

> Don't a whole load of servers run BSD?

This is correct. For example, Yahoo or HotMail in the past.

No. Not in the past. In the present (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525372)

1) Go to hotmail.com
2) Note the "Sign Up" link and where it points to
3) You will see the IP address 216.32.182.250
4) Go to Netcraft [netcraft.com] . You will see that Hotmail's back end is still FreeBSD.

I just fucked my asian girlfriend (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525422)



And now my dick is really sore.

But Opera (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525123)

is not open source. And, BTW 1 s t.

~~~

mod up! (-1, Troll)

l1nuxhax0r (557971) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525130)

Mod parent up!! If you don't use mozilla, go post on some other site!

Java (2, Interesting)

dirvish (574948) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525136)

I have had problems with Java support using Opera. Have they fixed this yet?

Re:Java (2, Informative)

wikki (13091) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525294)

it appears not I jsut got this post from bugtraq

Title: Opera javascript protocoll vulnerability
Date: [2002-05-15]
Software: At least Opera 6.01, 6.0, 5.12 (win)
Rating: High because Opera is assumed to be secure
Impact: Read cookies/local filestructure/cache
Vendor: Opera has confirmed the vulnerability and released
today a new version 6.02 fixing the issue.
http://www.opera.com/ _ _
Workaround: Disable javascript.
Author: Andreas Sandblad, sandblad@acc.umu.se

Re:Java (1)

wikki (13091) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525314)

that should be "it appears so" although it doesn't mention the linux version. This is also a security problem which may or maynot fix your problem.

Re:Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525341)

Moderators on Crack.

The guy/girl asks if the JavaScript support is better now in OPERA

How can it be Off-Topic?

Re:Java (0, Flamebait)

dirvish (574948) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525367)

Yeah, what the hell? How is this off-topic?

Attention moderators, please set down your crack pipes.

Opera really is good (1, Offtopic)

geneshifter (411883) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525141)

I don't think it is as they claim, "the fastest browser in the world", but it's not that bad. I really like the easy preference management and the ad is very small for the free version.

Re:Opera really is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525203)

> I don't think it is as they claim, "the fastest browser in the world"

Not counting text only browsers, I would vote for dillo as having the fastest rendering speed.

This is how it was meant to be! (3, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525143)

This is the sort of news that makes me think that things really are getting better and improving. Not so much because of Opera itself, though it is a fine browser indeed, but more because there are now plenty of good competitors in the web browsing arena.

Especially on Linux, there are at least 3 excellent browsers, or 4 if you count Galeon/Gecko as separate to Mozilla, with none of them having a significant lead over the others as far as I'm aware.

This happy situation, with all the browsers competing against each other on a level playing field unfortunately does not (yet) exist on Windows, but lets hope that soon as Mozilla and Opera both improve the market will balance out again.

Hurray for the benefits of competition!

Re:This is how it was meant to be! (1, Insightful)

d3xt3r (527989) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525281)

Especially on Linux, there are at least 3 excellent browsers, or 4 if you count Galeon/Gecko as separate to Mozilla, with none of them having a significant lead over the others as far as I'm aware.

As long as Windows has 95% of the desktop OS market and IE is the preferred browser on that platform, all of the the browser competition on the Linux front is somewhat meaningless.

I am thrilled to have great web browsers for Linux (my platform of choice), but 4 browsers for a platform that has less than 2% of the deskotp market does nothing to sway web developers to target anything other than IE.

Maybe some decent web browsers will help the cause to increase Linux's presence in the desktop market. I guess only time will tell.

Re:This is how it was meant to be! (5, Interesting)

ender81b (520454) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525311)

You can already see the results of the competition between mozilla and opera with Mozilla introducing Tabbed windows, following Opera's lead. The real 'competive' barrier Opera faces is the fact that it isn't free. 20$ (education) isn't a lot, and I paid it, but so many people are used to free browsers that i don't know if Opera can gain more than a foothold because it costs money. And since it's a small company and not finaced by a huge corporation it can't really afford to make it's browser free, although with the advertising market what it is I can't believe they are making much.

Among the linux browsers I would have to say I prefer Opera better, mostly because of it's speed - better even than IE. Although the super-small d/l size and it's availability across a wide range of platforms is nice also.

Ok, just got Opera first time... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525369)

Does buying it make these stupid ads go away?

Re:Ok, just got Opera first time... (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525396)

yes...so please do.

Re:Ok, just got Opera first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525398)

yes, you get then some registration code, which will remove the ads.

Re:This is how it was meant to be! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525390)

there are now plenty of good competitors in the web browsing arena. Especially on Linux

Nitpick: the "browser monopoly" argument only applies to Microsoft's IE, which has never run on Linux. So while competition among Linux browsers is still a good thing, it's not where the competition really needs to take place.

Re: Nitpick (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525436)

[IE not for Linux] competition among Linux browsers is still a good thing, it's not where the competition really needs to take place.

True, however, the innovation which takes place in the Open Source arena pushes Opera, Konqueror, Mozilla, et al, to new heights of user friendliness, usability, and features, which is all the better for Linux to underscore it's strengths and the weakness of someone's FUD about modular operating systems.

Not to be confused with the Borg's idea of embrace and extend.
Not bugs, security holes, standards non-compliant, e.g. IE.

ASP support? (1, Offtopic)

Allen Varney (449382) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525145)

I wanted to use Opera on my new(ish) Linux box, but it sometimes rendered just the headers of a page (such as Slashdot) and then stopped. Sometimes the failed pages were ASP, but I know it would be a reaaally cold day somewhere before Slashdot uses ASP. Anyway, I never figured out what I needed to set to make Opera load the whole page. Help for a newbie?

Re:ASP support? (3, Insightful)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525219)

Actually, ASP is a server side scripting language. Opera doesnt interpret .ASP, the webserver does. If a site using ASP (an MS technology btw...) doesnt render correctly on your machine, its not Opera's fault, it is the site developer's.

One thing that might help is to change how Opera identifies itself. On the version I have, it defaults to IE 5, when I have a problem I switch it to Netscape. I occasionally have good results. The reason for this is sometimes an ASP or PHP site will detect your browser and alter its content based on that.

FYI :)

Re:ASP support? (5, Insightful)

Havokmon (89874) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525280)

One thing that might help is to change how Opera identifies itself. On the version I have, it defaults to IE 5, when I have a problem I switch it to Netscape.

Except it could be argued, How are we to level the playing field (removing IE-only sites), if we browse pretending to be IE?

Re:ASP support? (1)

Ronin SpoilSpot (86591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525348)

Must agree. I always set my Opera to identify as Opera. I switch whenever a site tells me that I should be using MSIE5+++ etc. (first to netscape, then to IE if needed), and I take comfort in knowing that even then, the browser-id still contains the word Opera for those who knows what to look for.

Often, I can switch back to identifying as Opera as soon as I have passed the browser-control :) The pages works fine anyway (except those using document.all in the javascript, Opera only turns that MSism on while identifying as IE).

I even made my download manager identify as Opera :)

/RS

Re:ASP support? (2, Interesting)

dimator (71399) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525331)

You know, it's wierd. ASP *is* a server side language, but 9 times out of 10, ASP pages look like shit. My guess is that ASP developers don't give a shit about browsers other than IE, and only test their layouts under that browser.

Re:ASP support? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525239)

<%
response.print "
<html><body>ASP is not the problem. <b>ASP</u>, of cource, can generate perfectly valid <a href = www.w3c.org<b>HTML</a> code. The <div style text-decoration underline>problem lies in the brains </div style='ms-alphafade-extension 40%>of the "programmers" (which, btw, mainly are windows users).</head> %>

Opera may be cool (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525146)

But I think its time is close to done. It used to be a really nice little package. It would run off of a floppy on a 386 with only 6 megs of ram. Since then they have added nothing but bloat to it. It started with version 4, they made the mistake of adding a news and email client. Later version of the 4 series added Sun's Java plugin (which was and still is one of the only plugins that work with opera). With version 5 came the ads, and countless compatibility issues with sites that were coded to the exacting html standards.

Needless to say, I gave up on opera a long time ago, and have since moved on to the efficient, stable, and standard compliant Mozilla browser.

Re:Opera may be cool (3, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525243)

Man, I havent run a 386 in like 10 years! ;)

On Windows, Opera beats the hell out of IE even with the 'bloat' that you seem to think taints it. I totally enjoy using it, but I do have issues with its stability. Oh well, maybe in version 7...

Re:Opera may be cool (5, Informative)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525325)

The irony of you complaining about the "bloat" of opera, and then state that you're using Mozilla hasn't been lost. That's a pretty funny joke, really.


Having said that, Opera has finally achieved a level of functionality (err, "bloat". Of course a browser that fits on a floppy wouldn't offer the features that customers needed, and wouldn't have any market presence) that makes it a very worthy replacement for IE on the Windows platform, at least: In my day to day use, 95% of my browsing is with Opera 6, and pretty much the only time that I don't use it is when visiting msdn.microsoft.com : Apart from that I've seldom had the slightest problems, and it offers fetures (such as multiple-windows in one host: I love this) like being able to accept/reject pop-ups (or prompt), among a whole slew of "quick preferences". Mouse gestures rock and I find myself trying to use them in IE all the time.

Opera is a fantastic browser, and if anything its time is just beginning. The advertising banner is unfortunate, but for people willing to pay the small price it is tremendous and well worth every penny.

Re:Opera may be cool (2)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525379)

This is true - there's a guy called Davey Winder who writes for PC Pro (a uk computing magazine). He is an Opera fanatic, and is extremely biased against IE and especially Netscape: he insists on making childish remarks about how pros don't use it and how it's slow and buggy and bloated compared to Opera (hah). In fact, I once wrote in and pointed out that he was making factual mistakes, referring to Mozilla's P3P implementation as being "less efficient" than Internet Explorers - he got that right, as at the time Moz didn't have P3P support.

Anyway, I digress. One thing that made me realise how bad Opera's bloat had become was that this Winder guy had run a whole article on theming and customising Opera. Could you do this from the menu bar? NO! Instead, he recommended you download Opera Composer, a separate utility that would let you create a customised executable with the ICQ/Email/News clients removed, and new skins installed. I'd never heard anything so crazy: you have to make your own custom binary to remove the bloat.

At the time, everybody was haranguing Mozilla for being too slow and bloated, yet here was the supposed champ of lightness and fastness forcing you to get extra programs to slim it down!

I'll be honest, though I use Opera at my college, it's because it's either a choice between that or Netscape 4.7 (ie5 is b0rked). I've been using (well, trying to use) Mozilla since the days of M5, and so could be considered one of the faithful.

I dunno. I still maintain Opera is great in terms of providing choice and competition, and they've certainly introduced some cool features like gestures, but I feel they are being outclassed by Mozilla in particular here.

Yes, Opera is great (1, Informative)

weird mehgny (549321) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525147)

It might not be open source but it's still a fast and reliable browser and better than Mozilla in my taste.

Also patches some security holes (4, Informative)

pythas (75383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525153)

A advisory was issued on Bugtraq today, and the 2 holes it referenced are fixed by 6.02.

Here's the description (taken from the advisory):

Opera allows the location of a frame to be overwritten by an url
containing the javascript protocoll. The javascript code will be operating
in the same domain as the url that was overwritten. Thus we can read
cookies from other domains, local file structure and private information
from the cache (history of links visited).

Re:Also patches some security holes (2)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525233)

but the linux version is only up to 6.0. i wonder if the vulnerability even works on linux or if it is windows specific, since they released 6.0 today for linux, and 6.02 for windows.

Don't download it! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525154)

Every Opera download is a one lost Mozilla download.

Free Software needs you!

Download Mozilla NOW [mozilla.org] !

Re:Don't download it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525181)

I like Opera a hell of a lot more than I like Mozilla. And people should use whatever they like best.

Re:Don't download it! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525231)

idiot... What is it with some people's obsession with "free/GNU software"??? Get a life.

Mozilla is a bloat. Opera costs money, but works better. Dillo is faster and smaller than both Opera and Mozilla anyway.

Re:Don't download it! (1)

Anders (395) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525292)

Every Opera download is a one lost Mozilla download.

Actually, I download pretty much all releases of both of them (not counting nightlies), so no downloads are lost to Mozilla. It is just that I like Opera better, generally.

Whenever a page is not working in Opera, however, I will usually try it in Mozilla (if the page is important enough to me), and it will work. So if the Mozilla interface is ever improved to be as fast and with all the nice shortcuts of Opera, they might indeed get my "download".

I guess someone will tell me to use Galeon now; I tried, never got it working reliably.

the killer (2, Interesting)

TunaPhish (81577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525157)

Opera is great, but I can't stand the built in ads. I feel like I'm back on NetZero. Besides, Galeon [sourceforge.net] does all those mouse guestures anyway...

Re:the killer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525275)

You can buy it and do away with the ads if you like it.

Re:the killer (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525431)

You can block the ads by adding these lines to your hosts file. You can also add these servers to the Junkbuster block file.

127.0.0.1 rps1.opera.com
127.0.0.1 rps2.opera.com
127.0.0.1 ins1.opera.com
127.0.0.1 ins2.opera.com
127.0.0.1 rgs1.opera.com
127.0.0.1 rgs2.opera.com

Yay, Competition is a good thing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525158)

As a loyal Mozilla user, I still find it's great to have good competitive options for users. It gives everyone involved more incentive to produce the best browsers possible.

And, as long as everyone is serious about sticking with standards this time, that's great for all of us. (And bonus points to Opera for its excellent support of PNG (like Mozilla!)... now if only a certain browser produced by a certain company in Washington would support PNG transparency correctly...)

Props to The Lyrics Guy (-1)

returnofthe_spork (552824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525159)

See Her Pee - NOFX

She adlibs like stereo,
With the bass and treble down.
She's got tits like microwaves
Burritos that explode.
What I wouldn't give to see her pee...
Between 2 parked cars,
On a well lit street,
5th and main.

Could you clarify something for me? (-1, Flamebait)

Mike Connell (81274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525161)

Is this is story or a new advert style?

Mike

ATTN MODS: (-1)

returnofthe_spork (552824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525270)

Please correct the moderation error on the parent post. It should be +5(Insightful) or +5(Interesting). The question it presents is both insightful and interesting, and should not be mislabelled as flamebait.

Thank you.

Number of coders (3, Interesting)

thetechweenie (60363) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525164)

Does anyone know how many people are involved in coding opera?

Re:Number of coders (0)

tornado_norway (190269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525320)

Opera Software employs about 100 persons, mostly coding, but also some people in sales/admin. At least that's what I remember from Tetzchner(CEO) presentation here at my university.

Re:Number of coders (1)

Parsa (525963) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525365)

This was actually asked in Opera's newsgroups. Someone was guessing around 15 but that was by using this formula:

We know there are about 100 employees at Opera Software, and that about 55 people do the coding. (I say about because the numbers at the opera web-site are from 2000, and I know Opera has 'adjusted' it's workforce since.)Out of them, I seem to recall(borderline guessing) that 30% are programming the windows version..meaning about 15 people.

Also if you're interested their news server is news.opera.no

Re:Number of coders (2)

k98sven (324383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525370)

About 55, I'd say.. This from opera.com [opera.com]
Of 100 employees (December 31, 2000) 55 worked within Technical Development.

Solaris??? Please?? (0, Offtopic)

The Salamander (56587) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525168)

Can we get a Solaris release up to 6.0 now? Please? Its really strange having 6.0 at home, but 5.0 at work. Different "issues"
with different sites.

And its pretty much prevented me from purchasing it as well...

Re:Solaris??? Please?? (1)

MrDingDong (192786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525282)

I wholeheartedly agree. I'd definitely pay for a version of Opera that actually works on Solaris.
Version 5b1 totally stinks on the Sun what with all the bus errors and core dumps.

MDI Web Browser? (1, Funny)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525169)


Puke!

Moderation totals: 5 troll, 10 offtopic, 3,432,121 flamebait

A banner in the browser. (1, Offtopic)

robbear7 (522771) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525182)

I refuse to use the opera browser simply because of the advertisement banner displayed up top. Opera is great, and will continue to get better, dont get me wrong. The day they remove that advetisement banner I will ditch IE. Just my opinion. -Robbie

Re:A banner in the browser. (-1)

returnofthe_spork (552824) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525232)

Enjoy. [opera.com]

Re:A banner in the browser. (3, Informative)

Hallow (2706) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525245)

You can get rid of the advertisement. You just have to pay for it.

Opera Software makes it's living by selling ads or by selling the browser. They used to have a time limited trial version, but decided to get rid of the time limit by making it adware.

So shell out the $40 (or less, can't remember), get rid of the ads, and support the company directly if you like the product.

You even get a discount if you purchase licenses for multiple platforms at the same time.

Re:A banner in the browser. (5, Insightful)

rob_canoe (471581) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525272)

Which part of "Buy Opera today - For the best internet experience Ad Free" do you not understand?

Re:A banner in the browser. (1, Troll)

dinivin (444905) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525421)

Which part of "Buy Opera today - For the best internet experience Ad Free" do you not understand?

So if you buy it, they will get rid of every ad on every web page I visit? Now that is worth paying for. Otherwise, forget it.

Dinivin

Re:A banner in the browser. (2)

cetan (61150) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525428)

For a typical slashdot user, the part where you have to give money to someone else for goods or services...

[/troll] :)

Re:A banner in the browser. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525366)

for linux:
u-iepCR-cRfSL-8zReX-nJ8Ed-KBAEn

for windows:
w-hXxRn-YyU5j-PPHMd-tnfhK-UrTcS

Great! (0, Flamebait)

new_breed (569862) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525194)

no more netscape, no more lynx...surfing the internet sure has gotten attractive now on Linux. A good browser was still missing in the linux environment..

Opera as fast alternative (4, Insightful)

Zelet (515452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525195)

When I first started comparing browsers Mozilla was slow as dirt and really buggy (fixed since then) and IE was/is insecure so I looked into Opera.

At first I thought that the required ads were going to get annoying, but in truth, they weren't that bad at all. Plus, if I hated them that much I could pay a small fee and get rid of them.

But the best part about Opera is it is the fastest html renderer there is out on the market as far as I am concerned. A second high point to Opera, is that it is completely standard compliant. Unlike some browsers... which one you ask? Um... IE maybe, but that could just be me.

The winner in the pack now has to be Mozilla, but a close second right now is Opera.

opera as big as netscape? (2)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525201)

in a world where 90% of page designers design for IE, opera sure has a hard time, but it seems to be getting better. in the logs for my web site i am noticing that 94% of my users are using ie, 2% netscape, 2% opera, and 2% others. i would guess that the others would be spiders, mozilla, (unless this also is logged as netscape)kmeleon or konqueror. With opera gaining the same usership as netscape, even though it is only 2 % looks like the mark of success for me. although I am pretty much forced to use ie if i want to see pages the way they are meant to be seen, i have toyed around a bit with opera and love the mouse gestures.

Re:opera as big as netscape? (2, Interesting)

Dstrct0 (442821) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525252)

But Opera can identify itself as other browsers.

To cut down on annoying "You need MSIE x.x to see this site" messages, I have my Opera set to identify itself as IE.

I wonder how many of those other 94% of IE hits on your site are Opera (or other browsers with such an option) in disguise?

Opera bigger than netscape, most likely (1)

XJoshX (103447) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525276)

Because some webmasters a truely morons, some websites cannot be accessed by anything other than a browser reporting to be IE. For this reason Opera has an option to report itself as other browsers (Mozilla is also an option). I know I have this checked and I'm sure many others do, so so its quite likely the percentage of opera users is much higher than 2%.

Re:opera as big as netscape? (1)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525323)

You've got the wrong people looking at your site then ;-) Konqueror 2.2, followed by Mozilla, followed by IE5, followed by Konqueror 3.0 [sorn.net] .

Re:opera as big as netscape? (2)

GutBomb (541585) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525347)

well, my site is a site dedicated to a game that only runs on windows, so i don't see alot of linux based browsers, and i would imagine most people visiting my site have never even heard of mozilla outside of myself mentioning it. when i posted an article about how i got max payne working on linux, everyone simply laughed and told me to get a "real" computer. i get similar responses when talking about opera or mozilla. "get a real browser".

Re:opera as big as netscape? (2)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525420)

Ah, yeah, the majority of games I've played were only for Windows too, except Unreal Tournament and Quake. Even then, I still prefered to use a "real operating system" when surfing then net ;-)

The majority of Windows users I know appreciate how Mozilla and the like are superior, but use IE simply "because it's there" and are too lazy to do anything about it.

p.s. I thought Max Payne was a Playstation game. I'm sure the Electronics Boutique shop my friend works in had a playable version in-store.

woo woo (2)

drDugan (219551) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525204)

< PLUG >

Opera is awesome. I've used Opera since version
3 on both Windows and (lately) Linux. If
anyone else out there is sick of MS bullshat,
think about trying it. The early Linux
versions were OK, but now it is (for me) the
hands-down winner for Linux browser.

< /PLUG >

Not only under Linux... (1)

FFtrDale (521701) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525264)

I'm running an old Win98 box at work and Opera wins hands-down over IE for me. Speed is the issue; I spend less time waiting for stuff to load. I also don't have to wonder which confidential data it's busy sending to MS Corp. while I wait.

Re:woo woo -- Linux still sux! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525309)

Linux still sux! Even if you use Opera. Linux still has that cumbersome interface that drags down everything when all I want to to is surf the web

Re:woo woo (1)

oever (233119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525426)

I like Opera too, but my bank's website [rabobank.nl] renders horribly with it. Also there is _no_ browser that runs on Linux that can be used for online banking with their site even though it uses only html+javascript.

Sending the bank emails does not help. I don't really want to switch banks because other than this web problem, it's ok.

So here another <PLUG>:
Please Slashdotters, visit this site [rabobank.nl] to put some browsers other than IE in their logs. This might make them sit up and listen to the consumers.

Thanks a lot, Jos

FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525206)

Does Opera run on FreeBSD? All my users are running FreeBSD on their desktop.

Opera Interface (2)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525207)

Opera has the best interface. They invinted tabs and gestures. Mozilla has coppied these, though. They also were the first with built-in popup blocking. Unfortunately, it blocks all pop-up's even requested ones. Mozilla now does everything special Opera does (exctept for righ-left click for back and left-right click for forward) and Mozilla has superior popup support.

I can't wait till moz 1.0 comes out. I am building my grandpa a computer with OpenOffice 1.0, Mozilla 1.0, and Slackware (with windowmaker). That's all he needs.

Re:Opera Interface (1)

Ronin SpoilSpot (86591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525290)

I still find the Mozilla gestures less repsonsive and more clunky. That is probably just habit. Also, while Mozilla has tabs (but you have to do something special to open a new page as a tab), Opera has full multi-document-interface (which is fancy-pancy for having windows, which looks like tabs when they are all maximized, but they don't have to be). Missing the left-right and right-left clicking is a show-stopper though. It's like getting your first hard drive after using floppys for years. You can't remember how you got by without it. Opera is not flawless, but hell, what is. It still sparkles like a gem compared to most of everything else.

Me, addicted? I can stop at any time.
/RS

Re:Opera Interface (2)

dimator (71399) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525302)

They invinted tabs and gestures. Mozilla has coppied these, though.

If you want to be specific, both Opera and Mozilla copied those ideas from others.

Re: Opera Interface (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525334)


> If you want to be specific, both Opera and Mozilla copied those ideas from others.

From whom? (I've been intending to ask, so this looks like a good spot.)

Re:Opera Interface (1)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525383)

AFAIK, Konqueror has ALWAYS had the ability to disable the JavaScript window.open function. The only thing I can see that makes Konqueror worse than Opera, is that fact that it doesn't have tabbed browsing, oh and it needs the rest of KDE. Being a KDE user, I'm more than happy with Konqueror, although I use Opera for big downloads, as it has that nice download manager tightly integrated, and for browsing sites where I intend opening lots of pages at once (although I prefer Mozilla's implementation of tabs now I think - it can have multiple windows, each with its own set of tabs).

No, OSX isn't based on BSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525214)

OSX is based on Darwin, a variation of UNIX. What the hell were you smoking when you thought OSX was based on FreeBSD?!?

Opera isn't getting my business . . . (1)

Devlin-du-GEnie (512506) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525226)

. . . because they haven't released a final version for Mac OS X. It's been in fourth effin' beta for months, now. When is the fat lady gonna sing?

Fortunately, Mozilla rocks.

One small thing about Opera that Irks me... (1)

dmomo (256005) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525227)

On Windoze, I set Opera as the default app for opening html docs. When I click on an html file, it opens in Opera, along with ANOTHER instance that displays my home page. Ugggh.

Re:One small thing about Opera that Irks me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525262)

you could probably change this by choosing to not open any windows when opera starts up. then it would only require 2 clicks to open your homepage when you start opera normally. granted, it still sucks, but it might be worth trying.

Re:One small thing about Opera that Irks me... (0)

jakub_sad (530314) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525360)

You can turn that off in Opera Prefrences menu (CTRL+P):go into "Start and Exit" and select "Start With No Windows". Works for me, although I am using version 6.01 (upgrading after I submit this).

Re:One small thing about Opera that Irks me... (1)

TicTacTux (99149) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525401)

...anyone out there who knows how to save the page settings (fonts etc.) into a style sheet that can then be used? Hand? Yeuch! --Ben

Issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525229)

Increasing incompatiblity w. IE oriented sites. I'm getting less interested in hearing how all those sites don't comply with standards. Buggy Javascript. Etc. But what really bugs me is that they got rid of "local" (window) home pages because the people they wanted to reach were too stupid to understand it. They threw away one of the best features to reach the "mass audience" (yeah, right), so they lost me. I'll just stick to 5.12.

great news for nerds like me (0, Troll)

tps12 (105590) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525244)

This is excellent. With Opera in 6.02 for Windows and 6.0 for Linux, we are starting to see improvements for Linux on the desktop.

I can now browse the web, read email, and even do word processing and light graphics work with nearly the ease of the average neophyte Windows 95 user. With Opera for Linux lagging only 2 version behind the Windows version, I can enjoy many of the sites that my Windows-using friends have been visiting for years.

Bravo, Opera team, for sticking it to Micro$hite. One more nail in Windows' coffin. I am downloading this now, and will try it out after I reboot into Red Hat.

Re:great news for nerds like me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525417)

I can now browse the web, read email, and even do word processing and light graphics work with nearly the ease of the average neophyte Windows 95 user.

Nearly the ease of Windows 95?!?

I'm a sysadmin of a Win2k network with a couple of linux boxen, and I've been thinking of setting up an Xwindows system, just so I can play with it. Is it really only nearly as nice to work with as Win95? This isn't a troll. I really would like to know. People here are always talking about how great Linux is for them on the desktop, but if it's that bad, I don't know if it's work the trouble yet.

Memory leak! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3525250)

If Opera removes the huge memory leak from their browser (which forces me to shut it down periodically) I will be one happy camper.

what about Solaris? (1)

MrDingDong (192786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525259)

It sure would be nice if they'd remember that old OS - Solaris.

I am using (loosely speaking) Opera 5b1 on Solaris, yet it either core dumps or bus errors at least 15 times a day on me.

I am used to Opera from Windows and Linux and would like to use it on Solaris at work, but it is pretty bad. Does anyone know if a usable Opera will ever be released for Solaris?

Re:what about Solaris? (1)

QuMa (19440) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525315)

Running it both on sunOS 5.6 and 5.8 without major problems apart from the annoying 'this is an alpha' box..

alpha as in alpha version, not alpha cpu :) (1)

QuMa (19440) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525332)

alpha as in alpha version, not alpha cpu :)

Does it work yet? (2)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525266)

Numerous pages that load correctly and look the same in Internet Explorer, Mozilla and Konqueror were simply botched by Opera 5. Have they fixed it yet? Opera may be great, but I have no interest in missing information or not being able to use a needed Web site just to support this particular organization.

If Konqueror can get it right and Konqueror is free and well integrated with my Linux system, Opera had better do it much better -- at least as long as they want me to leave open source and to pay for it either with my money or with my "eyeballs".

Re:Does it work yet? (1)

ck1dog (43846) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525354)

Appears to be better. 6.02 on Windows displays everything I use almost exactly the same as IE or Moz, however I have more javascript errors pop up than ever before. Even Hotmail works fine now. Same with 6.0 on Linux, finally fixed the only problem I had before, which was strange fonts being used for many things.

Opera's the best (1)

Parsa (525963) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525293)

I've been using Opera for Windows for some time now. When I can use my Linux distro I prefer to use Opera for the browser. The one thing that always gets on my nerves is when I'm entering my username and password for Yahoo! mail I always get, "A script wants to read your password." I know it's for protective reasons, it's just annoying. I will upgrade to 6.02 and hopefully this will be taken care of. If anyone knows it is, a reply to this stating so would be much appreciated.

Re:Opera's the best (2)

talks_to_birds (2488) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525386)

  • "...I always get, "A script wants to read your password." I know it's for protective reasons, it's just annoying..."

This attitude is just why klez.*, the Outlook exploit of the hour, the IIS compromise of the day, is always so effective.

"I don't really care about security. It's so much easier to just keep my head in the sand."

Opera's warning you about that for a reason.

And you want the next version to knock it off.

Why don't you just use IE and get it over with?

t_t_b

Let's See... Symbian, QNX, OS/2... (1)

great throwdini (118430) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525329)

All these wonderful ports of Opera to "lesser" OSen. I realize there is little sense to challenge "Pocket IE" (bundling and all) but why won't Opera develop a version for Windows CE / Windows CE Professional / PocketPC / PocketPC 2000 / PocketPC 2002 / Windows CE .NET ???

Something nice and small for my WorkPad z50 to boost the productivity of Windows CE. There were rumors about of Mozilla/Netscape bringing NSPR to Windows CE, but here's a company willing and apparently able to port to handhelds / palmtops. Even a trimmed down Opera would be better than Pocket IE. They could even throw in Personal Java support for applets!

Signed,
frustrated with P.I.E.

I wonder if it works on freebsd now? (like 5 did) (1)

JamesGreenhalgh (181365) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525340)

I use Opera 5 for linux in under freebsd. Its very fast (freebsd linux emulation isn't *really* emulation, just x86 code execution..), and it's very stable.

Each time a new V6 beta comes out, I install it, then moments later revert to V5 because 6 appears to have a problem with multiple concurrent connections - try opening a gif heavy page and half the connections just hang forever.

Does anyone else have this problem with 6 betas on freebsd? Does the new one fix it?

Opera is great (1)

CaffeineAddict2001 (518485) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525352)

Behold the Lord High Web Browser! A browser of noble rank and title-- A dignified and potent explorer, Whose functions are particularly vital! Defer, defer, To the Lord High Web Browser! Defer, defer, To the noble Lord, to the noble Lord, The Lord High Web Browser!

How many of you? (0)

unixmaster (573907) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525411)

I wonder how many of you licensed it or using it with ads? Answers? ;-)

Competition, Schmompetition (4, Interesting)

geoffsmith (161376) | more than 12 years ago | (#3525412)

Yes, competition is good, but there is a point where there are just too many browsers. As a maker of all things web, it is very difficult to work around all the quirks of these browsers (and yes, *all* browsers have quirks) I have Opera users tell me they are MSIE in their user agents, I have Galeon users thinking they are running Mozilla, and bizarre rendering bugs across the board.

Making things even more difficult, I have to contend with varying and often non-existant toolbar API's which make things like the superb Google Toolbar and (in my mind) the also superb StumbleUpon Toolbar [stumbleupon.com] impossible to develop for browsers that are not Mozilla or IE.

I think its time to go for a little Darwinian Selection. Survival of the fittest browser. And I think that browser is Mozilla. Its the most full featured browser out there, it's free, it's open source. I had a couple problems with it, I filed bugs, and they were both fixed within the week! I'm having a hard time finding any flaws with RC2, it's brilliant. For all those who are using alternate browsers because Mozilla is "bloated" and "buggy", check again.

Websurfing done right! StumbleUpon [stumbleupon.com]
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