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Microsoft Opts-In Hotmail Users

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the trustworthy-computing dept.

Microsoft 704

medeii writes "East Side Journal reports that without telling anyone, Microsoft has suddenly changed the privacy preferences for all Hotmail users. They're now sharing your name and other personal information with third parties, even if you said you didn't want that when you signed up. (If you're a user, login, go to Options > Personal Profile, and un-check the boxes at the bottom of that page.)" The same reporter has written a follow-up article today.

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You think that's bad? (4, Interesting)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534289)

I'll do you one better.

Mozilla users can't access Options->Personal Profile to opt out.

Re:You think that's bad? (5, Interesting)

zaffir (546764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534351)

Neither can Opera users who identify themselves as either Opera or Mozilla. Switch the identifier to IE 5.0, however, and the personal profile page suddenly works perfectly. Way to go, MS.

Re:You think that's bad? (5, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534416)

It doesn't matter. All they had to do is sell it once to some unscrupulous company in the minutes when the box was unchecked, and the dammage is done. There's no web form that can undo it. The effectively have licence to the data in your account during that brief period. Ingenious of them. Glad I don't have an account there.

Re:You think that's bad? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534430)

Anyone who signs up to a hotmail account with real information is an idiot anyway.

Of course, I don't like logging in only to find I have 120+ spam messages... f^ckers

Re:You think that's bad? (4, Interesting)

doubtless (267357) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534421)

Microsoft® .NET Passport no longer supports the Web browser version you are using. Please upgrade to a current Web browser, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer version 4.0 or later, or Netscape Navigator version 4.08 or later.

Netscape navigator 4.08 or later is supported, but not my Mozilla 0.99? a step backward? or basically just not going to be friendly towards open source?

this sucks.

Re:You think that's bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534478)

just more signs of the decline.

Re:You think that's bad? (4, Insightful)

PepsiProgrammer (545828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534484)

People smart enough to use mozilla should be smart enough to not trust their personal info to microsoft either.

MS Strikes again (-1, Flamebait)

ksuMacGyver (562019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534291)

Wonder if this was on purpose or just an honest mistake. Oh ya, it's MS---Those Bastards!!!! =)

and here's from mozilla (2, Interesting)

chocolatetrumpet (73058) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534295)

Browser Not Supported

Microsoft® .NET Passport no longer supports the Web browser version you are using. Please upgrade to a current Web browser, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer version 4.0 or later, or Netscape Navigator version 4.08 or later.

Great, now MS 0wnz m3 and my little browser, too.

Re:and here's from mozilla (2, Redundant)

mangu (126918) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534344)

Yeah, I got that response with Konqueror. I hope it means that, unless I get IE 4.0 or later, I won't receive any spam anymore.

i had the same problem in konqueror. (1)

gimpboy (34912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534354)

then i clicked on the little icon with the hat and selected ie 5.5 on win2000. then it worked just fine.

Re:and here's from mozilla (1)

ahaning (108463) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534388)

I just fired up NS 4.73 and changed them that way.

Yup, a more modern browser, indeed ;-).

Re:and here's from mozilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534409)

This little situation is why I LOVE Opera Web Browser [opera.com]

I also received thwe little "error", which happens quite often only on MSN sites - The solution: click my toolbar on the "Identify" area until it says Indentify as MSIE 5.0. Refresh and everything works perfectly.

Basically, when it comes down to it, the "your browser isn'tsupported" is just another M$ scare tactic to get you to use their products... then again, I'm still the dumbass who never switched my email after M$ bought it. lol

Not first Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534296)

This is not the first post! It rules!

Boycott Hotmail (-1, Flamebait)

generic-man (33649) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534298)

I find it outrageous that in this day and age, Microsoft thinks that they can twist and manipulate their users. Well, as of today I am officially boycotting Hotmail. Microsoft's advertising dollars can pay for other people to see intrusive advertising and unwanted commercial e-mail.

I will also be starting an on-line petition calling for the immediate reversion of Hotmail user preferences. We won over Yahoo!, and we can win over Microsoft.

Re:Boycott Hotmail (0)

Ignominious Cow Herd (540061) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534316)

No self respecting Slashdot reader should have been using (or on a speaking relationship with anyone who is using, or knows someone who is using) Hotmail anyway. So why should we care?

Oh, wait, Slashdot readers have no self respect.

Re:Boycott Hotmail (1)

ahaning (108463) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534372)

Uhh. You forget the crowd your talking about here. I would say that Slashdotters are rather cutting-edge. So, what about people who got HoTMaiL accounts back before they were slurped up by the U.S. governments cat toy?

I, for one, have an account from the pre-MS days. Of course, it's not useful now for anything except reading the odd spam. But it was useful at one time.

Re:Boycott Hotmail (5, Informative)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534333)

I wonder why people still USE hotmail.

Seriously, you DO all realize that there are TONS better providers out there that offer FREE e-mail, kick ass spam filters, tons of space, and far more features that Hotmail does, right?

FREE.

::sighs::

Guess not. . . .

Hotmail is big, and, err, they are big. Did I mention that they are big?

Is that really all that good of a reason to choose your free e-mail provider? Because they are big? (actualy I think that it would be a rather piss poor reason. . . .)

I have met a ton of people who do not even realize that their ISP offers them free email accounts. . . .

Re:Boycott Hotmail (0)

ArsonPerBuilding (319673) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534368)

1st, you say other free mail providers have better features.

2nd, you imply that Hotmail is worthless.

3rd, you forgot your third. You didn't provide any links for (in your opinion) better mail providers. You state Hotmail is bad, other services are better, but you don't mention any other mail providers. Think you posts through just a weeee bit more, ok?

Re:Boycott Hotmail (0)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534436)

3rd, you forgot your third. You didn't provide any links for (in your opinion) better mail providers. You state Hotmail is bad, other services are better, but you don't mention any other mail providers. Think you posts through just a weeee bit more, ok?

Uh, you think I am actually going to POST LINKS to them?

heh.

Hehe.

HEHHAHHAHAHAOHOHOHOHO!!!!

LOL!!!

Nooooo way man, you can find them out for yourself!

Google Is Your Friend [google.com]

(seriously, how hard is it to search for "free e-mail providers. . . .)

Tons of sites also offer free e-mail addresses, check them out some time. Other sites offer permanent one time fee addresses, good way to support The Little Guy from time to time.

But darned if I am going to post a link to any of the free providers that I use, they rock and I want them to stay that way. :)

Now I will recommend Netfirms [netfirms.com] for good free site hosting though, no pop ups, tech support that actually answers your questions(!!!) and FTP access. And e-mail redirecting.

Kick'in. :)

Re:Boycott Hotmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534474)

You're an idiot.

Ohhhh, keep your "secret" good free e-mail providers... haha. LOL, typical geek ego. All your secrets belong to you, master of the universe.

Re:Boycott Hotmail (2, Insightful)

Fjord (99230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534373)

Never go with your ISP's email. What if you want to change ISPs? Changing an email address can be a pain in the ass for you and the people trying to get in contact with you.

Re:Boycott Hotmail (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534468)

Yah this is a problem, I am lost from some mailing lists still that I had on my old @home account. :(

Damn bastards, ugh.

Ah oh well, I do have multiple addresses, it is just that the other ones are used mostly for spam boxs.

Until AT&T goes out of business though (some people estimate 5 years, hey, at least it /should/ be awhile!) I shouldn't be in too much trouble. :)

Then on the other hand, it is not like I am too hard to find online [google.com] .

(Searched the web for com2kid. Results 1 - 100 of about 113. Search took 0.05 seconds. )

:D

Re:Boycott Hotmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534425)

You could have at least mentioned the names of some of them, but I guess you were too busy being condescending for that.

Re:Boycott Hotmail (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534442)

I use Hotmail as my Bugzilla email address. I just enjoy the irony of it.

And you are surprised... (1)

numbuscus (466708) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534305)

They needed a new revenue stream after slashing X-Box prices. Damn Hungarians just aren't cheap enough.

....what a bunch of.... (0, Troll)

Transcendent (204992) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534306)

...fucking shit eating ass holes.... I hate Microsoft.....

Surprise! (5, Insightful)

dieMSdie (24109) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534307)

And this is surprising, how?

I mean, come on, this is Micro$oft we are talking about here... marketing, marketing, marketing!

Besides, Yahoo led the way, did they not? I would not be surprised to find out that Microsoft watched that whole Yahoo business very closely, and saw the complete lack of any outcry as a "green light" to go forward with this.

Re:Surprise! (2, Interesting)

erc (38443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534395)

What's it going to take? Anyone for a class-action lawsuit against both Yahoo and Microsoft?

Re:Surprise! (2, Insightful)

stcanard (244581) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534472)

Well, there's outcry and there's outcry.

I had been using Yahoo email for a long time, and was planning to pay for the service since it was useful. Because of their change, I sent a letter to Yahoo indicating why I would not pay for the service, and am now using a new address.

My yahoo address is still open, however, so I can catch the stragglers that haven't caught up yet. So from a superficial (number of users pov), yes, it appears that this didn't affect their business, but what you don't know is how many people like me changed their mind about paying for the service, or the trust that they had placed in Yahoo.

The future will tell if the same thing happens with Microsoft. I don't have a hotmail address because I knew better than to trust Microsoft, but a lot of people didn't. The question isn't really (like Yahoo) whether this will cost them hotmail addresses, but whether this will cost them $ in future service offerings like the larger mailboxes.

Trust. . . . (3, Insightful)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534308)

I don't care how good MS's software gets;

they can spend all of the money that they want making their software better and better (hey, Win2K does indeed rock. Heh. :) ) but fact is;

keep pissing people off and they will lose customers faster then 'software security audits' up to hell will gain them customers.

(oh yah, and not making each OS more and more bleeping 'beautified' would be nice as well, I swear, if I wanted a pretty-boy interface I would've bought a mac!)

::hopes somebody hurries up and forces McNeel software to port Rhino3d to other x86 platforms. Is willing to provide crowbar to volenteer 'encourages' if necessary::

Funny, (4, Insightful)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534309)

Considering the amount of spam I get at my Hotmail accounts, I'm surprised that they haven't been doing this all along.

Chips (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534310)

I like chips with a zesty taste.

Mesh (-1)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534311)

New Order - Mesh

Below the surface this day I need it light
Inside dimension lies another sacrifice
Once out of reach, we never speak, we never compromise
As they turned to gold the edges froze and seemed to turn to
ice
All flight departures assembled not returned
Left in these passions I looked but never learned
There's hope, you've heard there's life in another world
Sometimes you'll find that truth is never kind
In the ghost lies a portrait of space that time is never here
In the mind of a fallen man, an easy day in another land
Ship sails out to sea, away from me, I just stand and stare
Assassin clears his hands, I know that, and, I wasn't even
there
One day it came to mind we even leave the rest behind
Some day, I know, you get where you should go
There's hope, you've heard there's life in another world
Sometimes we'll find that truth is never kind
One day it came to mind we even leave the rest behind
Some day, I know, we even get where we used to go
There's hope, you've heard there's life in another world

OSDN too :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534312)

You probably won't read about it here, but VA Linux/OSDN changed their privacy policy for everyone that's gat a slashdot, sourceforge, etc. account.

browse at -5 to read.

Is this a bad thing? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534313)

Honestly here, would Microsoft do something if they didn't think it were in the best interest of its users? You inept fools.

same as yahoo..... (1)

tiwason (187819) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534317)

And in 2 months.... just like Yahoo... we'll see a follow up that nobdy cared and Miscrosoft let it stand....

Next......

Pulled a Yahoo (1)

dallen (11400) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534318)

"Others say it's comic -- Microsoft has pulled a Yahoo"

I'm going to start using that phrase...

WTF (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534321)

Who uses hotmail?

Switch to myrealbox.com (2, Informative)

ksuMacGyver (562019) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534324)

They have free email and no advertising appending. =)

Re:Switch to myrealbox.com (1)

xactoguy (555443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534407)

Ahh yes, and they have a very wonderful poem about spam(mers) Spam is no good. Don't do it. It causes bad karma and cancer (and perhaps some other diseases). Yes, this is true. No, it's not a joke. Oh, and spammers rot in hell. :D Go myrealbox.com!

Shhhhh !! (1)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534483)

You'll let the secret out

this makes sense (2)

spookysuicide (560912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534325)

Can't anyone give hotmail a break? They're just a poor start up company trying to figure out a way to generate revenue.

What? Microsoft owns them? Their chairman is the richest man in the world? Well then, I guess there isn't much of an excuse to defraud customers, unless of course that is the way you become a hugely successful company...

Re:this makes sense (1)

dennisr (17484) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534450)

Totally off topic, your site is awesome - I will probably subscribe!

Re:this makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534453)

someone hasn't killed you yet? strange...

That does it! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534327)

I'm switching to Linux!

Alternatives? (1)

madfgurtbn (321041) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534329)

Is there any alternative out there? Maybe we can get Google to do web mail.

Re:Alternatives? (5, Funny)

spookysuicide (560912) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534342)

my mac.com email is free, web-based, devoid of banners, and apple probably wouldn't pull this kinda crap.

ok maybe they would, but you'd probably only getty pretty spam from them.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

R3 (15929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534360)

www.myrealbox.com

Re:Alternatives? (1)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534398)

Try http://www.canadasucks.com (or directly at http://mail.canadasucks.com)

Re:Alternatives? (2, Insightful)

digitalpeer (564005) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534415)

You know what, if google had web mail I'd almost pay to use it over something like hotmail. Google stands out in my opinion, not just becaue they have quality service, but they also have respectable business ethics.

Notice that I said "respectable."

So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534335)

If anyone's stupid enough to use truthful information on hotmail or any other dumbass online sign-up thing (NYTimes), they get what they deserve.

This never would have happened (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534337)

If the lawmakers would get their shit together and pass some laws outlawing the sharing of data, this kind of crap wouldn't happen.

Sharing of data should be against the law.

Re:This never would have happened (2, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534364)

If the lawmakers would get their shit together and pass some laws outlawing the sharing of data, this kind of crap wouldn't happen.

I'd be a whole lot richer if my employer didn't share my salary data with the IRS!

Privacy Subscription? (3, Interesting)

3seas (184403) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534341)

So now you don't even have to tell every company and their brothers company that you do business with that you want your privacy, but you have to do it monthly???

Shouldn't privacy be a default thing to respect? Why should I have to constantly defend it?

Can I charge for infringment of my privacy? (like charging for spam?)

"To request your privacy options, tell us your life history. We want to make sure it's you, before we consider granting you temporary privacy."

If you do not allow us to use up bandwidth sending you stuff you do not want then you should pay us for lost revenues.

Hotmail became unsuable long ago (0, Troll)

CmdrTaco (editor) (564483) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534347)

I started out with Hotmail as my first real email address. For a while it was pretty unusable, the servers were slow and went down all the time. I hate to admit it, but the service actually improved after Microsoft bought them.

But, the downside to having the same email address for such a long amount of time is the fact that my address must be on every spam list known. I get at least 30-40 spams a day, and with the meager 2 MB of space Hotmail allows, if I don't delete all the spam every few days I stop receiving email altogether and get threatened with an account cancellation for exceeding the limit. And yes, in case you're wondering, I have the anti-spam feature on the second highest setting.

What I'm wondering is what is going to happen with this. If Microsoft starts giving my address to even more companies, and this is assuming they haven't done this already, my inbox will likely fill up faster than I can empty it. Looks like I may have to abandon the address altogether. My main issue is the fact that I registered for my Hotmail account using legit name and address info. This was before I realized what it would be used for, and as such I expect to receive a ton of junk mail via snail mail in the near future.

Re:Hotmail became unsuable long ago (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534419)

My main issue is the fact that I registered for my Hotmail account using legit name and address info. This was before I realized what it would be used for, and as such I expect to receive a ton of junk mail via snail mail in the near future.

Can you somehow delete the account? Yahoo has this option. I think, if you demand it loud enough you can get removed from Hotmail. Or maybe it's a standard feature already, I wouldn't know ;-)

Boy, are you dumb! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534424)

The info I used for my Hotmail account are as follows:

Mr. Honcho Poncho

101 Pieter Botha St.

Monrovia, Liberia

birth date: Feb, 30, 1999

I may get tons of spam, but, at least, i don't get any snailmail spam.

Good strategy. (1)

TheQuantumShift (175338) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534359)

They're flooding their own servers with spam, pissing off the users, and looking like idiots. I'll bet their stock doubles for this... Is it just me, but are companies these days being rewarded for really stupid decisions? Seriously, I used to work for a department of a rather monstrous corporation, that paid rent on their office space to another department of the same company in the same building. A lot of the Human Resources budget went to pay a "money maker" Dept. for the right to use the company's floor space. And it seems that lots and lots of companies are doing stupid shit like this, and they only seem to grow bigger and more "Professionally Respected" I'm sure all of Microsoft's business partners are just ecstatic that M$ now has another source of revenue. This idiocy has to stop sometime, and Judging by the middle East, Armageddon's what, Thursday? This rant brought to you by me not having a goddamn thing to do at work...

Re:Good strategy. (5, Insightful)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534401)

You fail to see the genius of this plan.

For months they have been trying to get people to sign up with their Premium Email package which expands the mailbox to 10Mb and lasts forever (or something like that). People have not been signing up. It's simply too easy to create a brand new address when one fills up, so Microsoft then has to deal with 2 accounts (and so on and so on and so on) for each customer who has used up their allotted space.

Enter spam. If Microsoft can make it intolerable for ordinary users (non-Premier club members) to use Hotmail because the speed in which the account fills with spam is simply too fast, then they will push away those users who are not interested in paying for the service. Or they will attract the payers by making it intolerable to use the service otherwise.

Bottom line: They reduce the total traffic on their site by sloughing off the leeches (including yours truly), and increase revenue at the same time.

The idea is brilliant.

Notice (1)

HalB (127906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534361)

This is why those who value their privacy should only use companies that give notice before changing their privacy policy. If they don't give notice, then there is no time to react to have the personal information removed or changed, making whatever policy they have meaningless.
Again, "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
Besides, Microsoft needs some money to build that factory in China with their partner to make cheaper Xboxes. 8')

Re:Notice (2, Insightful)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534375)

No, this is why you create fake accounts and/or give false information. Never assume/believe that a company (especially MicroSoft) will act in good faith and keep the public's interests at heart - its not profitable.

Re:Notice (2, Interesting)

HalB (127906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534458)

That works great if it is just an email service. However, if you are using a say, telecom service (you get a T1 or DSL to your house) you have to give your phone number and address, or they will install it at the wrong place. 8') Next, Verizon posts your personal HOME address and telephone number in the WHOIS database for any spambot to pick out (rather than use the P.O. Box you gave for your billing address).
Sometimes you have to give out your address. Or maybe you called a toll free number - guess what, your phone number is in the database.
In the case of a monopoly like Verizon, you're stuck. But there are other cases where you have a choice.

Hey homeless guy, wanna buy M$'s secrets? (1)

xactoguy (555443) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534363)

Oh, well I guess that I should go out and sell all Micro$oft's personal information to every person I meet on the street :D Maybe some of their secrets too, $100 bucks a pop, anyone?

New TOS? (5, Interesting)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534365)

I went to disable that option and found out my account had been disabled since I didn't log in in 30 days. I click the "reactivate link" thinking I should reactivate and then uncheck that option, but upon reactivating I had to accept the terms of service again. You think you've seen some long ones before? Basically they're saying by accepting one, I'm accepting them all. Is it legal to agree to one document that links to terms in another document?

The following is quoted from their TOS:

The MSN Web Sites are offered to you conditioned on your acceptance without modification of the terms, conditions, and notices contained herein. Your use of the MSN Web Sites constitutes your agreement to all such terms, conditions, and notices. Your use of a particular MSN Web Site included within the MSN Web Sites may also be subject to additional terms outlined elsewhere in this agreement (the "Additional Terms"). To go directly to any of the Additional Terms, click on the link below:

Carpoint

GamingZone

MSN Health

MSN Money

HomeAdvisor

MSN Hotmail

Encarta Online

MSN Mobile

MSN Music

MSN Shopping (eShop)

MSNBC

Auctions

MSN Photos

Additionally, the MSN Web Sites may themselves contain additional terms, codes of conduct or guidelines that govern use of those sites, including without limitation, particular features or offers (for example, sweepstakes or chat areas).

I think this happens to be the point of Passport (1)

jhanshaw (175435) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534369)

To be fair to Microsoft, this information is only passed on when you sign in with your passport. I find it quite useful to be able to log into a site with passport, and I have instantly set up all the information I need to get started. No need to wait for an email, and reply with a code, or one of the other ways sites require you to register.

At the end of the day you do choose where you log in, and it has to know your email(as that is the user name) in order to log in -- this has always been the case. This seems to be allowing you to actually opt out of providing your email if you wished to do so.

WTF? (2)

dR.fuZZo (187666) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534376)

So... as near as I can tell, Hotmail can be accessed fine using Mozilla. At least, I haven't had problems before. And now, when I try to get to the Personal Profile page, I get this:


Browser Not Supported

Microsoft® .NET Passport no longer supports the Web browser version you are using. Please upgrade to a current Web browser, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer version 4.0 or later, or Netscape Navigator version 4.08 or later.

Re:WTF? (2)

banky (9941) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534392)

I get this at least once a week; it appears to either be a transient JS bug, or there's some random "screw over non-IE users" code somewhere... :)

Don't forget (1)

zaffir (546764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534377)

You have successfully updated your Microsoft® .NET Passport profile.

If you are currently signed in to .NET Passport participating sites, the updates you have made will not take effect at those sites until you sign out and then sign back in.


From the "Your Profile Has Been Updated" page you get after changing your settings.

People should get vanity email addresses (3, Redundant)

Argyle (25623) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534382)

This is probably the 100th time there's been mention of trouble with the free webmail systems like Yahoo and Hotmail that people have had.

It really is worth the money to own a domain and get an email address that no one can fsck with.

Benefits:
Not based on your ISP
No privacy issues
Multiple email accounts for different purposes
Can utilize forwarding to webmail

duly recorded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534383)

I also updated my birth date to February 30th 2004.

Oh, just an oversight.. (4, Interesting)

nolife (233813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534390)

As with most issues of this nature..
If the story hits big, and big media starts questioning the practice, MS will claim that it was a programing error, it was changed but they actually have no plans to really share that data, or it was strictly an "accident" in preparing for some upcoming vapor feature they planned on adding or testing. Sorry..

If it doesnt hit big the plan will stay put and 99.9% of the users will never know.
Another reason I always use completely bogus information for these registration things.

What are you going to do about it? (1)

erik umenhofer (782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534394)

Yes this is lame but I don't know what to do about it. Do you think anything would change if a whole bunch of people complained? What would it take to get change or a sorry or something along this long.

This is nothing like Yahoo (2)

Fjord (99230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534396)

I remember reading the opt-out email from Yahoo. I don't remember the one from HotMail. In fact, the last email I got from them said

"As a Hotmail member, you have received this e-mail to inform you of new services. Our policy has always been to send e-mail messages only to announce such information, and we'll continue to honor this policy. Thank you for being a Hotmail member."

Flashback... (1)

Schwamm (513960) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534397)

To Yahoo! Mail pulling essentially the same stunt.

Why is it that these companies do this? When I say "no, I don't want that" I typically mean it (Unless I'm talking about chocolate cake, thank you). I understand that the Almighty Dollar plays a huge role in this, but isn't changing your privacy policy without notice an underhanded thing to do?

I thought it was, anyway.

.NET Passport does not "support" Mozilla (1)

grylnsmn (460178) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534402)

I have a hotmail address (from before their sellout to the evil empire). I also am using Mozilla 1.0 RC2. When I tried to change the settings, I got the following message:

Microsoft® .NET Passport no longer supports the Web browser version you are using. Please upgrade to a current Web browser, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer version 4.0 or later, or Netscape Navigator version 4.08 or later.

It appears that they're deciding to block browsers from accessing Passport unless they want them to, much like they did with MSN.com a few months back.

The affects Passport, not Hotmail per se (2)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534406)

Hotmail is the gateway by which they engage you in the Passport service. These options appear to allow MS to forward your info to other pariticipating Passport sites.

Same diff, Microsoft is sending your email address places you probably don't want it going, but users should be aware that this is probably pervasive in any Passport service they use, such as MSN messenger (may want to go and check the options on it if you use it).

Not to be a nay sayer but... (1)

puto (533470) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534408)

Hotmail is a free service, you get what you pay for. Free email with some spam attached. And probably cuz we all use the hotmail address for those product registrations we dont want filling our box or for porn sites.

I use my hotmail on the road to check my POP accounts. Sure it aint the best service. And recently I got off my lazy ass and installed some cgi on my mail server so I now have my own 'webmail'

But I dont have to dick with hotmail, admin it, config it. IT works, yeah I get spam, SFW?

FREE don't mean free for nothin

Passport profile (2)

MiTEG (234467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534411)

I logged into my Hotmail account to fix this, and it made me reenter my password. Apparently I have a MS Passport profile. I don't want one, and I never asked to have one. I wonder about the legality of this...

Kinda reminds me of a MS developer mailing list I accidently got subscribed to. I tried to unsubscribe, but to do that I needed a passport profile. So in order to stop getting one anoying mailing list I would have had to give away my info which would be freely distributed among all the marketing companies sleeping with Microsoft.

did they read it already or wat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534417)

i dont find them to be checked as u or the report says. ofcourse..my opera..have to feign as IE to get to that page..wish how /. would become if we allowed only *bugzilla* browsers. ;)

interesting process (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534426)

  • went to options -> personal preferences
  • Forced to log in again
  • Unchecked flags
  • tried to set birthdate to 1888, unsuccessful
  • set birthdate to 2000, successful
  • went to check mail and forced to log in again (yes, all of these times I had "keep me signed in" checked)
  • Had to click button to say my parent was with me.
  • Supposed to log in as parent to give them my credit card number a la porn sites (or so I've heard)
  • logged in the same account for my parent.
  • asked if my parent was with me
  • supposed to log in as parent to give them my credit card.
  • Lather, rinse, repeat.


Well, I don't know how this is supposed to help children (since they can lie about their age) but it certainly has prevented me from abusing my account. I'm so happy there weren't any warnings or anything saying "we're going to fuck you if you play with us."

's odd.... (1)

pacman on prozac (448607) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534428)

When I login at hotmail it still says this in the bit about the junk filter when you view a mail:

Keep in mind that MSN does not sell, rent or lease its customer lists to third parties.

Re:'s odd.... (2, Funny)

pacman on prozac (448607) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534456)

ooops sorry...that was the " MSN® Hotmail® Tip of the Month" in one particular email (from msn)

full text:

MSN® Hotmail® Tip of the Month

Be aggressive against spam
At Hotmail, we know spam is a chronic problem, and we are doing everything we can to help you keep spam out of your Inbox. That's why we developed the Junk Mail Filter. But there are other things you can do to decrease the amount of spam you receive.

Never respond to junk mail or follow an "unsubscribe" link, since this will only confirm that the spammers have a live address. Also, do not use your e-mail address when participating in chat rooms. Finally, you should carefully review a Web site's privacy policy when performing online activities such as shopping and banking, to ensure that your e-mail address will not be shared with a third party. Keep in mind that MSN does not sell, rent or lease its customer lists to third parties.

Still, I guess this was yesterday...

Actually this is good news... (2)

3seas (184403) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534437)

Without MS constantly figuring out ways to make people pissed at them, GNU user base might not be growing so fast.

I know stuff like this only solidifies a conviction to non-MS computer base...someday it'll be hard as diamonds.

Who the Hell trusts Microsoft with real info? (1)

gibler (445031) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534441)

I mean there are no details I gave them for my hotmail account that are even close to the truth.

This is my standard form filling in procedure. I just put in whatever validates. Publish it all you like M$ - it ain't worth a thing.

shit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534445)

well, might as well just start useing AOL for my Email server again
::inadiable mumbleing and muffled cusses::

Microsoft-Slashdot (5, Funny)

mmThe1 (213136) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534448)

Phew...looks to me like yet another Microsoft-Slashdot contract ("conspiracy") to bring loads of traffic to Hotmail site...

P.S. The options with "Share my other registration information" has this text:
"This information, which is stored in your Microsoft® .NET Passport and required for registration at many Web sites, includes:

Birth Date
Country/Region
State/Territory
Gender
Acc essibility
Time Zone
Occupation
"

This means that whatever fake information I put in Hotmail would be used for all other sites? No Way!

Oh no!!! (1)

Ramss Morales (13327) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534455)

They are going to give all my fake information to third parties!!!

I'll have to come up with more fake names. F**k Microsoft!!

Thinking it over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534457)

So, I was about to be in righteous indignation about this violation of my privacy, but then I realized I had signed up with a fake name, address, and birth date, and used an email address from another freemail service. Um, yeah, spam me harder.

Share my [...] (1)

gotscheme (246456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534460)

Maybe some day we'll be asked if we can share our passwords, too!

I am not that concerned about the privacy of my address, phone number, or even my occupation, but I can definitely understand how someone who absolutely needs privacy could be. Furthermore, while I don't mind advertisers having statistically abstracted data patterns about user groups, I am quite concerned that Microsoft and other organizations will share individual user patterns. Tailoring content to someone who subscribed to an online service is one of the positive draws for companies that conduct virtual business. We should reward companies that install and maintain good privacy systems. Does anyone know of such companies?

The important thing to note here for almost everyone that is concerned with spam is that even though Microsoft's business partners will almost inevitably target you, you should be more worried about your friends sending out forwards with your e-mail in the To: or CC: line. Each of us knows that spammers harvest e-mail addresses too often, and this is the reason why. Until people are informed of this problem, or until e-mail servers/programs are required to strip out extraneous addresses (or must request authorization to know an e-mail address), we will continue to have this problem. And, even with such a system in place, we still can't guarantee people will be duped into giving out their e-mail addys.

Moral of the story: choose your online friends wisely.

Whats to stop ... (1)

hpavc (129350) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534461)

Why would those boxes being checked stop them from using/selling the information? I am lost ... I assume they are just for for show anyways.

You can also close your account (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534467)

Services attained from having a Hotmail account is a lot similar to what other websites can offer, for example Yahoo!. While there is no option to close an account, Hotmail will force an account to close if you don't log in for awhile (about a month?). After a Hotmail account has closed, any incoming e-mail will be bounced off and the sender will be notified of the account closure.

Re:You can also close your account (1)

gotscheme (246456) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534489)

Maybe I'm a dummy, but when I signed up for my e-mail account with them about five (?) years ago, I used my first name and last name. I fear that if I let my account expire, someone will eventually use my e-mail account to impersonate me. Why doesn't Micro$loth just NOT allow reacquisition of expired accounts? Does it cost that much in terms of storage/processing overhead?

If you are using Mozilla... (1)

Kent_Franken (92437) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534469)

If you are using Mozilla 1.0rc2 like me you get the following:

Browser Not Supported

Microsoft® .NET Passport no longer supports the Web browser version you are using. Please upgrade to a current Web browser, such as Microsoft Internet Explorer version 4.0 or later, or Netscape Navigator version 4.08 or later.

Do you uh, Yahoo? (2)

DeadBugs (546475) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534476)

We all knowYahoo [slashdot.org] did this a little while back, and AOL did it before that. And how do we know?, well they told us. The fact that Hotmail did it without notification is typical of their business style. I only wonder how many other services (Earthlink, AT&T, etc.) either don't offer an opt out option or reset your preferences unknown to you anyways. As always you get what you pay for.

Always assume the worst (4, Insightful)

gelfling (6534) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534482)

It's a safe bet that no matter what the vendor says, they will pimp out whatever they can for money. They will lie and cheat and then lie and cheat about that.

Either don't give them any true or useful information or don't give them any information at all. Leave footprints like misspelling your own name in a very unique way. Track it and complain complain complain when you find them out. cc a copy of your complaint to your state attorney general's office.

Create A Bogus Account Now! (1)

simetra (155655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534485)

If enough people create a bogus account... just think.

So did they sell my info already? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3534490)

Ok they changed the default settings for everybody, then I go and change the settings back. But in the mean time they have already sold the info to other comapnies.

so there is no point in changing the settings back, is there.

The "proverbial" cat is out of the "proverbial" bag!

I tried to update my profile and... (1)

Scryber (244784) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534491)

I got this message:
Your lastname contains a word or phrase that has been reserved or is prohibited for .NET Passport registration. Please type a different lastname.
(My last name is PIANALTO ... not BILLGATESSUX or anything similarly questionable)

Damn, guess I better go the county courthouse and fill out that paperwork for a new last name..

Holy cow... (2)

dR.fuZZo (187666) | more than 12 years ago | (#3534493)

Did everyone just log onto their Hotmail accounts at once or what? All of a sudden I'm getting the not-so-unfamiliar "Hotmail Account Temporarily Unavailable" screen. YOU SLASHDOTTED HOTMAIL! YOU BASTARDS!
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